1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: It's to show that she is the secrets of success 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 2: experience firsthand by marketing and branding expert Rashan McDonald. I 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: will know he's giving me advice on many occasions. And in 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: case you didn't notice, I'm not broke. You know he'll 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: be interviewing celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs and industry decision make because 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: it's what he likes to do, it's what he likes 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: to share. Now it's time to hear from my man, 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: Rashwan McDonald. Money Making Conversations. 10 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: Here we go. Welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. I'm 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: your host, Rashawn McDonald. Our theme is there's no perfect 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: time to start following your dreams. I recognize that we 13 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: all have different definitions of success. For you, it may 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: be the size of your paycheck. Mine's inspiring you to 15 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: accomplish your goals and live your very best life. It's 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: time to stop reading other people's success stories and really 17 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: when you think about it, and start living your own. 18 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: People always talk about their purpose or gift. If you 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: have a gift, leave with your gift and don't let 20 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: your friends, family, or choral stop you from planning or 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: living your dreams. That's the way life is. I always 22 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: tell people, is about you, not about what other people 23 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: think of you. My guest is legendary R and B 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: singer Will Downing. He is affectionately dubbed as the Prince 25 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: of Sophisticated Soul. Where the repertoire consisted of signature interpretations 26 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: of R and B classic like I Go Crazy, Wishing 27 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: on the Star, Stop Looking Listen, and I Tried with 28 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: original hits like a Million Ways After the Night, Sorry, 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: I Everything I Wanted, My Lady and the show stopping 30 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: chart topping duet with Rachelle Farrell. Nothing has ever felt 31 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: like this. Here's a new release song out Till We 32 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: Meet Again. The song offers a message of hope and 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: understanding that will resonate with anyone who has faced mental 34 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: health challenges. According to Will Downey, the song was inspired 35 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: when he lost his daughter to suicide of January of 36 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: this year. He is on the show to discuss his 37 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: career and the song Till We Meet Again to alert 38 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: you the mental health issues and suicide. Please welcome the 39 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversation Masterclass, Will Downing. How you doing, sir brother? 40 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: That intro was like, you know, when I go out, 41 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 3: that's the way I want it. I want it just 42 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: like that. 43 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: Well, you know, we thank you, thank you know, my 44 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: snap said Richie, you really wrote this on up today. 45 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: I said, Well, I said, I sat down. You know 46 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: when I think about why you wanted to come on 47 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: the show, and then our relationship over the years, the 48 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: interviews we had, and you know, I know you got 49 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: to my pieces doing this thing out there you on tour. 50 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: How you doing right now before we get into our interview. 51 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 4: You know what, I'm pretty good man for the most part. 52 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: You know, I have my moments based on everything that 53 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 3: you just said, the passing of my daughter in January. 54 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: So I can't say that everything is perfect. You know, 55 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 3: sometimes during the day a brother breaks down, you know 56 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 3: what I mean. 57 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 4: I see a. 58 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 3: Picture or a memory or whatever it is, and it 59 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 3: reminds me of you know, of her. But you know, 60 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: we keep going, and you know, we try to spread 61 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: the good word in spite of and hopefully help other 62 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 3: people up. 63 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 4: In definition of a song. 64 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: Well, you know that's your talent, your gift. My gift 65 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: is you know. I used to work at IBM and 66 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: then I started making people laugh. I was a stand 67 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: up comedian, and then I became a writer on sitcoms 68 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: and that created a body of work that people can 69 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: turn on Netflix and see did you write that episode? 70 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: Did you write that about Sister and Sister Jamie Fox? 71 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: All these different shows, the Parkers, and you have a 72 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: body of work, and that body of work allows you 73 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: to see thousands of people walking in the street and 74 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: people just walk up to you. How does that affect you? 75 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: When people pick out certain songs, they say how important 76 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: that music is to them. 77 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: Well, it's a great feeling, and you know, you feel 78 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: like you've had a sense of accomplishment. You know, that's 79 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: what every artist the goal is is to you know, 80 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: to make sure that the world reaches that the song. 81 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 4: Reaches the world, and that it affects the world in 82 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: some sort of a way. So I hear that all 83 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 4: the time. Matter of fact, I was out. 84 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: To lunch yesterday with my guitar player and we were 85 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: sitting there this young lady who was our waitress. That's 86 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: what I call almas. They have a specific term I 87 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: always say. So I just saided to her that way, 88 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: I said, listen, you know, what do you really want 89 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: to do in life? She says, well, you know, I 90 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: want to be a singer. I said, oh okay, And 91 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: so the guitar playoffs with he said, well do you 92 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: know you're talking to and then he said my name 93 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: to her and she, you know, just like she lit 94 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: up a little bit. And I was like a little 95 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: bit too young for me, you know, honestly, like. 96 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 4: How do you know who I am? My mother loves you? 97 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 4: And then she got a mother on the telephone. Wow. Yeah, yeah, 98 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 4: it was interesting man. 99 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 3: So all that to say, it was a great feeling 100 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: to know that you're still relevant, that you know, the 101 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: younger generation still appreciates what you do or they appreciate 102 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 3: what you do, and the generation you came up with, 103 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: they still appreciate what you do. 104 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 4: So it's a great feeling. 105 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: We know. 106 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: The interesting thing about music how important it really is. 107 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: You know, let's let's be honest. It can lift you up, 108 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: it can motivate you, it can inspire you. And then 109 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: your song that you've written based on the death of 110 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: the suicide of your daughter, is it inspirational, motivational? What 111 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: is the sense of that particul the song? 112 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: Well, it's supposed to be all of that, but it's 113 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: almost when it was written, it was almost like a 114 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: conversation that I've had with her more times than I 115 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: can count. Right, So the first couple of lines on 116 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: the song is, can you tell me what the hell 117 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: was on your mind? 118 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 4: Right? I heard you say that. 119 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 3: I went, WHOA okay, right, because when I last spoke 120 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 3: to you, you were doing fine. So I've had that conversation. 121 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 4: With her, and all my children, have three of them, 122 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 4: more times than I can count. You know, they do 123 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 4: something and it's like, come on, man, really, like, like 124 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 4: what were you thinking? 125 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: You know, last time I talked to you, you said you 126 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: weren't going to do this, or you told me you 127 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: were going to do this, whatever it might be. So 128 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 3: it's it's a conversation from a parent to a child. 129 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 3: But at the same time, when we've had our conversation off, 130 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: I said what I've had to say, and I kind 131 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: of opened up my arms and go, I still love you. 132 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,679 Speaker 3: Come on, come on, give me a hug. 133 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 4: Don't do that again, you know, let's think this out, 134 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 4: talk this over. So that's kind of what it is. 135 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: And unfortunately it's a conversation that we can no longer 136 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: have as two individuals. But it's still like, you know, 137 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: my spiritual conversation, like what was going on with you? 138 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 3: All right, Okay, that moment's passed. I'm letting you know 139 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 3: it's okay. You're not alone. Someone's watching over you. I'm 140 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 3: always here. We can talk however, we can communicate, but 141 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 3: it's okay until we meet again. When we meet again, 142 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: we don't had this conversation, right, but until we meet again, 143 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: know that I love you thinking about you. 144 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 4: God's got you, He's holding on to you till I 145 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 4: get to you. 146 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: We know the interesting partner. Thank you for that statement 147 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: of what it was all about. Cler I said, you 148 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: heard you say that. At the top, I went, that's 149 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: pretty strong. But then they got me to the end 150 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: because I think when I was listening to the song 151 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: Till We Meet Again, I'm talking to Will down in 152 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: R and B legend, you know, the whole approach to 153 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: how you feel. I thought that the line was like 154 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: the one line in the song and not saying the 155 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: rest of the song that you was like the ultimate 156 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: frustration of why you didn't call me, Why didn't you 157 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: just back up the phone, Why all the days where 158 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: were you at mentally that you thought you could speak 159 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: to dad, right, you spoke to Dad on so many 160 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: things that were irrelevant, so many things that were selling, 161 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: so many things that didn't matter just to you. But 162 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: I was there for you. 163 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: Right right right, And here's the day. All you had 164 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: to do is pick up the telephone and we could 165 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: have talked this through because four or five days prior 166 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: to that we talked on the telephone, and then five 167 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: was you know, five days prior to that, which was 168 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 3: like New Year's Eve. You know, even I left the 169 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: message on the song if you listen to the song, 170 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: I left her voicemail that she held me on the song. 171 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 3: So eleven days later she was dead. 172 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 4: So it's like, wait a minute, how did we get there? 173 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: How do we get what happened? 174 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: Like, you know, talk, Why didn't you talk to me? 175 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: Why didn't you say something? Was it what were you 176 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: going through? Was it financial? 177 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 4: Was it? Was it mental? Was it someone messing with you? 178 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 4: Was it? You know? Like it just leads you down 179 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 4: a rabbit hole of the amount. 180 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: Of questions that you can come up with as to 181 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: why you did what you did and how did you 182 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: think that the ultimate solution was to take your own 183 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: life right? 184 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: And I just you know the whole thing about this interview. 185 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that we got to talk, 186 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: will you know, because you know your daughter, you know, 187 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: initiated this interview because of the tragic turns she took 188 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: with her life taking care. But it's really a bigger 189 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: problem out there, especially in our community, because when such 190 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: denial about because you mentioned that your daughter at the 191 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: top of the song the video I saw it talked 192 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: about bipolar, depression, and some farmer schizophrenia. You know, if 193 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: you could tell our audience what exactly all those type 194 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: of symptoms are, if you're familiar with it. I'm not 195 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: trying to put you on the spot, but you know, 196 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: I've heard bipolar, I don't know what that means. I've 197 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: heard depression of some maybe I maybe even experienced some 198 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: depression and really didn't know understand what I was going through. 199 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: And then you have schizophrenia. Can you talk about those 200 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: three forms that your daughter dealt with that eventually led 201 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: to her death. 202 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 3: Well earlier on in her life, and she was thirty 203 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 3: one when she passed away. You know, we had noticed 204 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 3: certain things, me and my ex wife had noticed certain 205 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: things that she was doing that very moody unbelievably moody, 206 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 3: Like you could go from from zero to one hundred, 207 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: you know, like okay, we're cool, we're cool, We're cool. 208 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 3: You say one word and then another person would come 209 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: out and it's like, all. 210 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 4: Right, okay, Well I attribute that to growing things. I remember, 211 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 4: you know, growing. 212 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: Up, and my parents would say something to me and 213 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: I'd be the same way, like, you know, I hate. 214 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 4: You know, me not to that face. 215 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: You know in the back of my mind, you don't un'erstaying, 216 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: and so I'm you know, we attributed that to growth. 217 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 3: And as the years went on, I remember going to 218 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: my parents and especially my dad, and just kind of 219 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: saying like, you know, I'm seeing some stuff that I 220 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 3: ain't really comfortable with, and you know, my father hit 221 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: me with you know, like, hey, when you were that age, 222 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 3: you were kind of the same way. Then the years 223 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: went on, I said it again to him and he 224 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: was like, you know what, you need to take her 225 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 3: down home. Down home was North Carolina, that's where you 226 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 3: know my parents are from. Let him run around in 227 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 3: the fields and get some polygraensentlemen, and right at need 228 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: some ice staters. 229 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 4: I don't know if that's a solution. 230 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 3: But and then she got older and then you know, 231 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 3: he kind of saw some stuff and it was like, 232 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: all right, now, what are. 233 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 4: You gonna do about this? I'm like, what am I 234 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 4: gonna do? 235 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 3: I told you, I said, I bought this up to 236 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 3: you seven eight years ago. You told me let him 237 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: run around in the field. 238 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 4: So and so. 239 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: She she got professional help in that reguard and found 240 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: out that the bipolar aspect of it is more of 241 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 3: internal uh and balance, you know. 242 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: That could be him with medicine, correct by both right. 243 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 4: And she was diagnosed with medicine, was diagnosed. 244 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: She was given medicine, but she hated the way the 245 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 3: medicine made a feel and made her feel methargic and 246 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: tired and made it feel like she wasn't in control 247 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: of herself, so she would stop taking the medicine. So 248 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 3: then she started kind of like self medicating. You know, 249 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: she started drinking a little bit, you know, I started 250 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: smoking a little something something to make her feel better. 251 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 3: And that wasn't the answer either. So that's the bipolar 252 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: aspect of it. The schizophrenia part, and and that was 253 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 3: a very small part of it. Was kind of seeing 254 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 3: and hearing things that wasn't necessarily true, right, you know, 255 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 3: kind of like oh, yeah, you know, this is woman. 256 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 3: She looked at me, and you know, she called me 257 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: in my you know, in her mind, it was like, yeah, 258 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: she looked at me a particular way, she said a 259 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 3: particular thing to her or something like that, or she 260 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 3: felt a particular way about if someone was trying to 261 00:11:58,800 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 3: help her. 262 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 4: It's like really trying to help me. I know what 263 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 4: you're up to. I know what it is. So it 264 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 4: was a lot of that as well, and you know, 265 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 4: some of it was aimed directly at me and her 266 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 4: mother as well. So you know, we had some some 267 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 4: instances that were just kind of like you know, whoa whoa, 268 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 4: whoa wha. 269 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 3: How we get here? Like, no, that's not the case 270 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 3: at all. And then you know, you didn't have to 271 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 3: like talk her down or something like that. Not that 272 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 3: it was going to be a physical confrontation or anything 273 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: like that, but it was certainly like, you know, just 274 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: like you could just. 275 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 4: Physically see her amped up. It's like, hey, no, that 276 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 4: that wasn't the case. What I meant was we want 277 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 4: to this is what we like to do. 278 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 3: And then it was kind of like oh okay, all right, okay, 279 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 3: you know, because I thought that you were, and so 280 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 3: it was. 281 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 4: It was. It was a lot of that as well. 282 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 4: So those are the two aspects. 283 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: Now I want to talk about it because you mentioned depression, 284 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: because I want to look at that because I'm in 285 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: one of those high stress worlds when I say that, 286 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: because sometimes I think music helps me. I think I 287 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: watched TV a lot. You know, I'm always keeping my 288 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: mind active, so I won't just stay on the subject that. 289 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: Because you know, entertainment, that's like, you know, it is 290 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: one of the most emotionally up and down businesses you have. 291 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: You know, you can have a concert, there was a 292 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: soul lot this concert half field. You know, you can 293 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: have a hit song in the next five years, maybe 294 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: not another hit song, and then people start questioning you. 295 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about myself too. On shows, you get 296 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: on the show, you think that show going to be 297 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: on for a year. They canceled left to three months. 298 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: That's what happened. When I was on our Senior Hall sitcom. 299 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: I thought, this is our senior Hall, We're gonna be 300 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: working for five years. A few months later they pulled 301 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: the plug and so then so you went from this 302 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: big high to this major low and that's what depression 303 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: can really trap you. And so you mentioned that, can 304 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 1: we talk a little bit about that. 305 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: Well, you know, all the things that you just said 306 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 3: apply to a lot of people in entertainment, sports and 307 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 3: life in general. 308 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. 309 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 3: There's always like this, this picture in your mind that 310 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 3: you have and ay not necessarily turn out to be that, 311 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: and so you start to look at that as being, 312 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 3: you know, somewhat of a failure. I think, you know, 313 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 3: one of the best answers I heard even recently was 314 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: from Giannis, you know when you say, right when a 315 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 3: reporter asked, hey, you know, are you are you defining 316 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 3: your career by this loss? 317 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 4: Or or or was the year a loss? Was it? 318 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: And then he kind of gave this amazing definition of 319 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: you know, what success is or or what a failure is, 320 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: or what a failure. 321 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 4: Is not you know. So, you know, I think we 322 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 4: all go through stuff like that. 323 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 5: We'll be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass 324 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 5: with Rushawn McDonald. You are now tuned into the Money 325 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 5: Making Conversations Minute of Inspiration with Rashawn McDonald. 326 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: Despite being known for loud, bombastic comments and his trademark 327 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: propensity to debate. A much softer side of Steven A. 328 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: Smith is revealed when discussing the inspiration for his success. 329 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: The fin product is for the fans. 330 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: I'm about the work, the process, the grind, the day 331 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: in and day out, meticulous, tedious work that you have 332 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: to put in to perfect your craft. And the reason 333 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: why that resonated with me so profoundly, Rashaan is because. 334 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 5: Now let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashaan McDonald. 335 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: That was my next question. Continue, well, that was my 336 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: next question, that social media is really an issue now? 337 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, if you don't get excellent of likes, 338 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: this gives everyone a false sense of everything, like how 339 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 3: many friends you have or anything like that. So there's 340 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 3: no there's not as much human contact as they used 341 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: to be to even find out whether someone is genuine 342 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: and or not genuine. Everything is just keeping up and 343 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: you're always reinventing yourself, especially these days. Every freaking week 344 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 3: you gotta be somebody new. You got to post something 345 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: or stay relevant, like let people know you're still alive, 346 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 3: you're doing something that's relevant and interesting and this, that 347 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 3: and the other. 348 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 4: So you know, she was caught up in that as well. 349 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, because she did artwork, right, she had that was 350 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: a skill set, right, So I'm sure posting had a 351 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: lot to do with people reacting with likes and things 352 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: like that tell us about her her skill, her talent. 353 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: Well, she was a phenomenalon She was phenomenal with everything 354 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 3: she touched. She was also an esthetician, so you know. 355 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 3: But but when things didn't really like rise to you know, 356 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: that certain level, it's like, well. 357 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 4: I got to do something new, all right, So I 358 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 4: got to I'm doing art. Now. 359 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 3: You know, she's always done art, and so she would 360 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: do that. And you know, art is subjective. 361 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 4: You know what one person's trash is another person's treasure. 362 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: So you know I always kind of encouraged her in 363 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: that regardless, like I'm not bringing enough moneies. It's like, 364 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 3: you know, life is a balance, you know, do something enjoyable, 365 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 3: enjoy yourself at the same time while making some money. 366 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 4: You're gonna be okay. But I got to keep up. 367 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 4: I got to keep up. I got to keep up. 368 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: So you know that that played a huge role in it. 369 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: But you know, a really great artist, uh. The artwork 370 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 3: that we used on the cover of the single that's 371 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 3: something that she had painted, uh, she had, and. 372 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 4: It's a it's a fairly large piece as well. 373 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 3: So I have it hanging in my home and I've 374 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 3: distributed some of her other artwork to family members, so 375 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 3: they think that they can have her in their household 376 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 3: and thinking for all the time. 377 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: Right, you know? Till with Me again is the song 378 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: that he's talking about that unfortunately is tied to the 379 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: suicide of his daughter. How can we gain access to 380 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: this song? It has? It is released, it is available. 381 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 3: Where can we go If you want to see the 382 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 3: video and hear the song, you can always come to 383 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: my website, you go to will Downing dot com. If 384 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: you want to support it and you know, purchased like 385 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 3: the music or something like that, you can come to 386 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: the Prince of Sophisticated Sooul dot com and the video 387 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 3: is there as well. You can go on YouTube, you 388 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 3: can go to iTunes, all the places that you normally 389 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 3: get your music, so you can support in that regard. 390 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: So, so you was able to get the r M 391 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: for the Prince. 392 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 4: I don't think anybody else will wanted it. 393 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: That's a lot of type of man, I mean, sophisticated Prince. 394 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: I got the prince sophisticated. They're gonna have a problem, 395 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: right there, sophisticated with. 396 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 4: The F you know s O F S. 397 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: T No, no, no, you know, you know, as it. 398 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: Was something I want to move back in your conversation 399 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: because as the black community, I want to stay on 400 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: that a little bit, because that's really the reason we're here, 401 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: because of the fact that it's about education and motivating. 402 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: Because as you said, our parents and our grandparents, how 403 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: they handled these signs, these warning signs of things like that. 404 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: It's really really my computers on mute. Huh, mute my computer? 405 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: What's going on? Oh that, don't worry about that. 406 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 4: Cool. 407 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: They were worried about my computer was dinging. At the 408 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: same I thought, I, hey, we did this whole interview. 409 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: Mute problem. I'll be taking some people this wrong. You 410 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: gonna do some old school flogging around there. No, they 411 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: were just talking about my computer was a dingy in 412 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: the back of you. They heard you and I we 413 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: did in our conversation. 414 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 4: We need nothing. 415 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: But I wanted to talk about as we talk about 416 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: our parents, because I come from phield Ford, Texas, six sisters, 417 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: two brothers, and I remember our parents and you know 418 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: we're born. I was born in Houston, Texas, play from Sreeport, 419 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: Louis Atham. So we go back into the country, outhouses 420 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And as I said, you know, 421 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: we didn't even want to acknowledge the gay community and 422 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: the black community, okay, because we didn't know what that was. 423 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: Uncle uncle was like this and like that, Uncle dressed 424 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: that way. But we just just hushed it right up. 425 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: And then you come back to this major turn of events, 426 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: the mental structure of the black community because we're always 427 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: getting beat up. A lot of people need to understand 428 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: about the black community racism, so we can't ever show weakness. 429 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: We always the last higher, the first fire. So a 430 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: lot of those things will come into play. Well, we're 431 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: willing to say show vulnerability and to say that you 432 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: are mentally quote unquote unstable. They gets you out to 433 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: do real fast. Do you think that plays a role 434 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: as well? 435 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 4: Well, definitely. 436 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 3: I mean, as you just said, it's something that we 437 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 3: as a community do not talk about openly. You know, 438 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 3: there's a sense of shame attached to it. And you 439 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 3: pretty much hit like the top two. You know, the 440 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 3: sexuality is one thing, and you know mental illness is 441 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 3: sort of like we have this picture in our mind 442 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 3: that you know, people think that you're crazy because you 443 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 3: talk to someone about what's going on with you internally 444 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 3: in your mind or how you feel a particular way, 445 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: especially these days when we're in a very uncaring society. 446 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 3: You know, we hold everything in and then when you 447 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 3: do birst it's like, you know, how do we get this? 448 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 3: It's like, well, this person ever had the pleasure of 449 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 3: talking with someone and releasing it and getting a different 450 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 3: perspective on what's. 451 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 4: Going on in your life. You're not being judged. 452 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 3: This person is there for you to listen to or 453 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 3: to listen to you and to maybe kind of give you, 454 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 3: like a different perspective as to how they see it. So, 455 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 3: you know, a lot of times we sort of look 456 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 3: at that we have this vision in our mind of 457 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 3: a couch and you know, you're sitting there, someone's in 458 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: this white jacket then writing down all of this stuff, 459 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 3: you know, and then they hand you a bill and 460 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 3: give you a couple of bills and pick out the door. 461 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 4: They say, you. 462 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 3: Know, we ain't gonna talk about this, right you'ren't telling 463 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 3: nobody else here. So you know, that's the picture that 464 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 3: I have in my mind and to those who I've 465 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 3: spoken to about this sort of thing, that's the vision 466 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 3: that they have as well. And you know, we're very 467 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: apprehensive about talking about it. So you know, we have 468 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 3: to do better as a society. We definitely have to. 469 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: Well, you know, black people prostate cancer don't want to 470 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: do that, you know what I'm saying, and tell us 471 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: what that's what we need to do. You know, mental health, 472 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: mental care don't want to do that. Well, don't any 473 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: knowledge to our sexuality within our community because you know, 474 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: and I'm not pointing no finger, but guess what. We 475 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: live in a racist country, Ladies and gentlemen, a country 476 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: that enslaved us. Don't want to acknowledge the fact that 477 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: they did enslavers. In fact, they want to take that 478 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: out of books. They want to take all that out 479 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: of the book. They just want to go, we freed, y'all, 480 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: and just skip everything else. 481 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 3: Well, either that or the fact that it happened so 482 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: long ago we're still talking about, like what. 483 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, if if we don't talk about it and then 484 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: it would happen again. Like you said, it's hard to 485 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: repeat history when you can see it happening again and 486 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: then you can stop it, okay, But if you don't 487 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: know your history, then all of a sudden you can 488 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: be stunned and say I didn't see they coming. And 489 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: so when I think about your career and I think 490 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: about the longevity, as we wrap up this interview, well 491 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: and thank you again for coming on my show. You 492 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: know it's really true. I remember I started doing a 493 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: stand up I left my job at eighty six to 494 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: do stand up comedy, and you know, I and see 495 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: the future. You know, you just out there performing. You know, 496 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: in ninety two I did death comedy Jam and I 497 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: started writing those sitcoms. And it's that longevity conversation I'm 498 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,959 Speaker 1: having with you. It's like it's like you look at 499 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: your success and that's where the worry. Fear comes in 500 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: fear of can I keep it going? Fear As we 501 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: rapt this interview up and talk about your success, how 502 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: you've overcome fear, how you overcome doubt. Because when we're young, 503 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: there's no fear. We're just out there. But as you 504 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: have success, sometimes success can work against you because can 505 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: I do it again? Will I be able to do 506 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: it again? Will I be able to sell out this show? 507 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: When people know who I am next year or five 508 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: years from now mentally as an artist? Can you talk 509 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: to my autists, talk to my fans about that? 510 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 3: Well, I always say when I hear stuff like that, 511 00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 3: you know, chasing success is has killed the best of 512 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 3: who we've had musically, you know. 513 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 4: So when you look at Michael. 514 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: Jackson's, when you look at Prince, when you look at 515 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 3: your Whitney Houston's, people like that, you know they all 516 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 3: passed away chasing success. In my opinion, you know, Michael bleached, 517 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 3: his skin, changed, physically changed his features, would stay up constantly. 518 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 4: Just to kind of keep up, you know what I mean. 519 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 4: So it's kind of like, Okay, I've been to the mountaintop. 520 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 3: I know what it looks like, and someone else is 521 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 3: coming up, but they're not as good as I am. 522 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 4: So you know what do I have to do to 523 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 4: keep up? Well? Okay, stay up? Okay, Well I'm tired, Okay, 524 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 4: well I need to get some rest, all right. 525 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 3: And then he started taking the profofall which gave him 526 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: the best rest you ever had. And you know, the 527 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 3: doctor dropped the ball. I forgot to wake him up. 528 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 3: I gave him too much or whatever. However that went down, 529 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 3: but it was all chasing success. Whitney Houston same way. 530 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 3: You know, I'm up, up, up, up up. Oh this 531 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 3: girl can sing better than me. What do I have 532 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 3: to do? I got to and then started doing whatever 533 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: she was doing. Prince, you know, was was physically hurt, 534 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 3: you know, with his hip. It's like, oh, man, you 535 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 3: know you're hurt, Like I mean, I can keep going, 536 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 3: I can keep going, and you know, then you know 537 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 3: his unfortunate demise. So I think that what people have 538 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 3: to realize. 539 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 4: And it hit me on top of the head as 540 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 4: well when I got sick and. 541 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: Started realizing when I had all that time off to 542 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 3: myself that this is just one aspect of who we 543 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 3: are as entertainers or you know, who I am, you know, 544 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 3: and being an entertainer is just a small aspect of that. 545 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 3: So you have to live your life, have a balanced life. 546 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 3: There's nothing more important than to be honest with your 547 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: success is one thing. And if you gain a whole 548 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 3: lot of it, where you're gonna go after a while. 549 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: You know, if you can't go out and be seen 550 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 3: in society, what's the point of being successful If you 551 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 3: can't enjoy what with your friends and you can't go out, 552 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 3: can't go to the mall, can't go to the movies, 553 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 3: can't go I can't do anything. 554 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 4: You know, you are going to do it with people 555 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 4: that are like you. You know, they don't even know you. 556 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: So you know, just be careful, just have a balanced life. 557 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 3: And what's for you, what's meant for you? 558 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: Till we meet again? That's the song, meet again, till 559 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,479 Speaker 1: we meet again, you know. So as to that propos, 560 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, because we're gonna meet again and we're gonna talk, 561 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna smile, we're gonna share stories about because I 562 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: have a daughter, she's twenty six, so this is a 563 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: very personal conversation and just to share you our thought 564 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 1: when she calls, I stopped talking to everybody to talk 565 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: to you, girl, because I don't know. So when it 566 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: happened to your daughter, it magnified my attention to her 567 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: that you know, she called me at ten and I 568 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: apologized and I didn't see the call, you know, because 569 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: she called me for a reason, whether it's just say 570 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: she loves me, or just to share a personal story. 571 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: Because again she's out there by herself, she's out there 572 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: working remote and all these life has changed, so much 573 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: how people live. You know, they don't have to go 574 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: into work, they don't have to interact. That gives them 575 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: more time to think, more time to go online. Like 576 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: you said, the internet, the social media. But as we 577 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: close teal with meat again, how can my fan base participate, 578 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: be a partner support you in getting this song this 579 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: sing once again? 580 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: Come out to my website, go to Willdowning dot com, 581 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 3: go to the Friends of Sophisticated Soul. I love you brother, 582 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: and then you go to will down In dot com. 583 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 3: They'll tell you where I well, then come on out 584 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 3: and come see. 585 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 4: The show as well. 586 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: So all of that and already make sure you always 587 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: send banister, because there was one thing about my life man, 588 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: as I always said, once you get past fifty on 589 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: the down side of your life, I want to support 590 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: people like you and uh individuals who have supported me unbeknownst. 591 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: Your music has uplifted me. Your music has got me 592 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: through my down days. Your music have inspired me, made 593 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: me feel good when I felt down. So it's artists 594 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: like you man play such a major role in the 595 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: black community by getting this through our tough times. Thank 596 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: you Will down If for coming on money and it 597 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: comes to Masterclass. 598 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 4: I appreciate, appreciate you, sir. 599 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: We talked soon. 600 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 5: Thank you for joining us for this edition of Money 601 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 5: Making Conversations Masterclass. Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan MacDonald 602 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 5: is produced by thirty eight to fifteen Media Inc. 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