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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris john Sails and Chris

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Speaker 1: is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and

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Speaker 1: entertainment industry. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now tuned into

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Speaker 1: kJ Live. Today's guest in the show is formed with

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Speaker 1: a Zaga All American and NBA veteran Dan dick out. Dan.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, my man? I'm doing well. It's college

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Speaker 1: basketball season, you know, I was doing really well after

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Speaker 1: my Zag's. I gotta get there early because I know

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get there at some point. I want to

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Speaker 1: be the first. The Zag's got your bruins again once more. Um,

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Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm sure you're gonna bring up Duke.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're gonna bring up Alabama recently. The biggest thing, though,

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Speaker 1: is college basketball is here and it's off to a

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Speaker 1: great start, right, Yes, it is. It's an exciting season.

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Speaker 1: I love to see the fans back into the building,

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Speaker 1: the return of the home court, Advan it just back.

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Speaker 1: College basketball definitely is back down. I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: though about your Zags. We're gonna just start off with them.

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Speaker 1: What makes this version of Gonzaga the one that's gonna

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Speaker 1: hang a national championship banner. Well, they've got a crazy

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Speaker 1: amount of depth. Like last year's team had depth, um,

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Speaker 1: but they had experience where literally you just had to

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Speaker 1: plug in Jalen Sugs and get him kind of up

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Speaker 1: to speed with kiss Burg to YAYI Timmy a season ago.

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Speaker 1: This year's team, you got Timmy obviously he's a he's

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Speaker 1: a monster down low. Uh, and then them Mart's done

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Speaker 1: a great job as a point guard. Watson has been there. Um,

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Speaker 1: but you've got other guys that are either freshman or

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Speaker 1: now sophomores with not experience coming into this year and

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Speaker 1: they just have to find their way, find their roles. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, chat home Grins, it's either him or ban

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Speaker 1: Chero gonna be the number one pick. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of expectations placed on him. He's still finding his way

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Speaker 1: in college basketball. But it's crazy to think he's averaging

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Speaker 1: like teen points a game and he shooting seventy from

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Speaker 1: the field and he's finding his way. That's unheard of. Um.

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Speaker 1: So I think this year's team has a lot more

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Speaker 1: growth than any Gonzagger team that I can remember in

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Speaker 1: recent memory. Because coach Few doesn't usually like he likes

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Speaker 1: experience on his teams, and we've never had to deal

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Speaker 1: with a lot of early entries or we've I think

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Speaker 1: we've only had one one and done. UM, so guys

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Speaker 1: have kind of gotten to know the program. The holpings

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Speaker 1: are done where this year you have to learn on

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Speaker 1: the fly and if you don't, sorry, you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: play as much as you would like. Yeah, staying with

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Speaker 1: good Zaga, Man, I've always been fascinated by just how

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Speaker 1: good that program has been over the course of the

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Speaker 1: last twenty something years. For as long as I can remember.

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Speaker 1: What were some of the ingredients to the recipe of

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Speaker 1: success for Mark feu Well, I think coach fe has

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Speaker 1: got an unbelievable eye for talent um and it had

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Speaker 1: to start that way in Spokane because Gonzaga wasn't a

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Speaker 1: was an assistant coach under both Dan Fitzgerald and Dan

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Speaker 1: of Pac twelve schools with backpack ten back then, um,

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Speaker 1: or if they were maybe good enough to play at

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Speaker 1: that league, that he felt that why not recruit these guys,

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Speaker 1: Let's go after him and those would have been guys

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Speaker 1: like Matt Santangelo. Uh, probably a guy like Casey Calvary who, honestly,

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys schools missed on Ritchie from they

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Speaker 1: But there's certain non negotiables that coach Few always has

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Speaker 1: but also what role they're gonna play on their teams.

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Speaker 1: Like for for example, a non negotiable for a point

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Speaker 1: It sounds like you're describing like buy in, like you

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Speaker 1: Strawther was doing things that weren't part of his correct

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Speaker 1: He was like, hold on a second, we have guys

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Speaker 1: That's amazing because a lot of time a coach won't

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Speaker 1: was a little bit controversial transferring from you dub to

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Speaker 1: me and I reach your ear about learning to compete, compete, compete,

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Speaker 1: or did you have that confidence well before then? Well,

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Speaker 1: was by far the best point guard. But then you

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Speaker 1: another reason I went to you Dubbed because pros came

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Speaker 1: break with no conscience. UM. And you knew that once

430
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Speaker 1: he got more acclimated in the NBA game and his

431
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: skills continued to develop even though he was he was

432
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: good for an eighteen year old rookie that he was

433
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: gonna have a good career. UM. But he always he

434
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: always played hard, He played with an edge, He played UM,

435
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: you know in a way that you knew he was

436
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: gonna have a long career. The funniest JR. Smith story

437
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Speaker 1: that I have is, so we had a couple of

438
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: really good Uh we had some great vets. Um, George

439
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: Lynch and p J. Brown were a couple of vets

440
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: that we had on that team, and they kind of

441
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: set the tone for, you know, shoot arounds being early. Um,

442
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, if we have a breakfast meeting, show up early,

443
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: be prepared to you know, pay attention to film, do

444
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. And uh so we're at

445
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 1: a breakfast meeting one day and j R. Smith walks in.

446
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: He's still on time, but he's kind of skirting that

447
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 1: line of being late. And he's wearing SpongeBob square pants, uh,

448
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: pajama bottoms and slippers. And I'm sitting there eating breakfast

449
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: with p J. Brown, and p J. Brown just puts

450
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: his head over his over his face and he just

451
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: starts shaking his head and he goes he says something

452
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: along the lines of, young fellow, you got a lot

453
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: to learn, SpongeBob, come on. But it's awesome to see

454
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: he went back to college. It sounds like he's doing great,

455
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he's on the golf team now,

456
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: so that's one of my passions of mine. Hopefully at

457
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Speaker 1: some point, you know, he and I can get on

458
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: the course and play around the golf. That'd be dope. Man.

459
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Speaker 1: You got your live stream it too, Dan. What's something

460
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: about the NBA that people, normal people like outside of

461
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: the NBA have the wrong percept about, you know, I think, uh,

462
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: at times, NBA players get a wrap for not playing hard,

463
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Speaker 1: and I have always argued that as hard as I

464
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Speaker 1: possibly can. And the reason is is those guys are

465
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Speaker 1: the best in the world, and it looks like they're

466
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: not playing hard because they make it look easy. I mean,

467
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,479
Speaker 1: they just make things look so unbelieving easy. You can

468
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: see a guy go from free throw line to the

469
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: rim and transition in two dribbles. I mean that is

470
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Speaker 1: as heard of athletic feet as you're gonna find, you know.

471
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,479
Speaker 1: And then you throw in the the ability where you know,

472
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Speaker 1: if a guy's splitting a pick and roll, you're talking

473
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Speaker 1: about agility, strength, balance, hand dexterity, and then you know

474
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Speaker 1: the spatial awareness of where help side is. I mean,

475
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: you're doing so so many things so quickly athletically, um

476
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Speaker 1: that that it is unbelievably difficult. But guys make it

477
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: look so easy. And then you look at the top guys.

478
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Speaker 1: You're talking about your Kobe's um, Tracy mcgrady's when I

479
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: was playing, now the job morants and stuff, Damian Lillards.

480
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: It's like they're on a whole another level than most pros. There.

481
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: There's there's levels to being a pro, and some guys

482
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Speaker 1: just take it to the extreme to Uh, do you

483
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Speaker 1: think coaches in today's NBA dan have an easier job

484
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Speaker 1: or harder job than coaches in the league when you

485
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Speaker 1: were playing. Wow, that's a that's a excuse me, that's

486
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: a difficult one. It's hard to say. I don't watch

487
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Speaker 1: as much NBA as I used to, uh, simply because I,

488
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, have to prepare for college games. But I

489
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: think if you look at the way the game was

490
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: played then versus now, um, it's two totally different styles

491
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Speaker 1: of coaching and preparation. The game was slower back then.

492
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: You were talking about throw the ball on the block.

493
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: See if a double team comes, split action, get to

494
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: the week's side. If a double comes, play out of it, swing, swing, attack,

495
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: close out. You know, if no double comes, you're gonna

496
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: back do that bumping, grind game till the guy gets

497
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: to a spot. You're gonna see that like eight times

498
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: a game now if you're lucky, and that's what guys like,

499
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: Yo kitchen, that's about it. Now, it's let's space the floor,

500
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: let's let's pick and roll, let's dribble, hand off, let's

501
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: give guys angles to to go, and then you're still

502
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: swing swing, attacking closeouts, but it's in a different way.

503
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Speaker 1: So I think that the difference now maybe isn't the

504
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Speaker 1: way it's coached or the coaches are. I think it's

505
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Speaker 1: the way the game is looked at. Now you're looking

506
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Speaker 1: at the value of a three pointer as opposed to

507
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Speaker 1: the value of a post. Stuff. I remember when I

508
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: was a rookie um Lon Krueger got fired early in

509
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: my rookie career rookie season and I was coming back

510
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: from a knee surgery. The new head coach, Terry Stotts

511
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Speaker 1: takes over. His view of a backup point guard was

512
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: pick up um, don't turn it over, um, and only

513
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: shoot open shots. Well, right there, those are three strikes

514
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: against me. Because I stuck defensively to pick up. I

515
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: would turn it over occasionally because I was willing to

516
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: make a pocket pass, thread the needle or a tough pass.

517
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Speaker 1: And then if if I'm only allowed to take open shots,

518
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: that's hard because I was ingrained as a scorer in college. Um,

519
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: I remember times I was told not to shoot a

520
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: three pointer because it was a bad shot at the time.

521
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: Now like, hey, let's get thirty five threes up and

522
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: and and we're still not happy because we wanted forty.

523
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: So it's just a difference in how the game is viewed.

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Speaker 1: I think coaches still put the same amount of time

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Speaker 1: and effort into coaching what they believe in at the time. Though, Yeah,

526
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: for sure. When you think about the evolution of the

527
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: game from then until now, obviously a lot more emphasis

528
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: on the three point shots, spacing uh, less about centers

529
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: down low and banging, more about being fleet a foot

530
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: kind slender, you know, long three and D type guys. Um,

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Speaker 1: When you think about the evolution of the game, how

532
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: do you rank or how do you evaluate your game

533
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: as far as being able to play today? How would

534
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: I evaluate my game? Yes, your game. So we'll take

535
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: Dan dick Gal's game back in two thousand and put

536
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: him in today. You know, I think I would fit

537
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: very well simply because I could shoot it, I can

538
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: handle it, and I could pass it. Defensively, that was

539
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: always gonna be a question for me regardless. I'm gonna

540
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: give you a tremendous effort um, but the game, the

541
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: floor was shrunk at that point in time, so it

542
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: was a little bit easier um to guard guys. Plus

543
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: you could physically hand check a little bit. Now, I

544
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 1: wasn't a brute physically where I was gonna push you.

545
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: But at least when you when you have the ability

546
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: to armbar or kind of hand check, you can keep

547
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: an eye on a guy. You can keep track of

548
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: a guy, so at least you know you might be

549
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: looking in one direction to see some action, but your

550
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: hands on the guy so you could feel him go.

551
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: So it gives you a head start. Well, now, if

552
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: you put a hand on a gag guy, that's a

553
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: foul um And so I think space and quickness. It

554
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: really helps offensive players these days. Um, I don't like

555
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: to be one of those guys that say I would

556
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 1: have been better now versus then, because it's still at

557
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the best talented players are

558
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: going to make that league, and the most talented players

559
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: are gonna play minutes, um, and so I do think

560
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: the style would fit me better, but it's hard to

561
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: say if I would have been better. Where do you

562
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: pinpoint that moment where or that year that the NBA

563
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: style of basketball changed. Do you have a recollection of

564
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: when it went to this, you know, pace in space

565
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: or specifically speaking about Steph Cerry, Yeah, do you think

566
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: that he think, singularly was responsible for that change in

567
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: the way that we play basketball and all level? I

568
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: think I think the start of it was Mike d'antoni's

569
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: eight seconds or less, but then Steph took it to

570
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: the next level. But Steph, I don't think, you know,

571
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson deserves some credit for being willing to let

572
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: him shoot deep threes in transition. Um, you know, Steve

573
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: Kerr took it to the next level and basically built

574
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: an offensive philosophy around his ability to pull up in transition,

575
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: come off pick and rolls, as well as his ability

576
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: to move without the basketball, which I don't think gets

577
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: enough credit the shape and condition he's in to be

578
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: able to do that. But I think if you look

579
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: at you know, D'Antoni sons with Steve Nash started it,

580
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: and then Steph Curries and those groups took it off.

581
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: But an interesting story I have is the last NBA

582
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: training camp that I was a part of was Phoenix Suns,

583
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: and this would have been with Nash and Mariic's dattermar

584
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: Grant hilp Um and unfortunately got cut basically the last

585
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: day of training camp because Robert Sarver didn't want to

586
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: hold any more contracts. Um to this day, it's a

587
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: frustration because I knew I was good enough to be

588
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: on that team. I had a good enough training camp.

589
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: But the one of the last games, if not the

590
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: last preseason game I played that year, was against the

591
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: Warriors Steff Curries rookie year, and I had to guard

592
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: him on a few minutes because a few minutes towards

593
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: the end of the game, and and and I just

594
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: remember I had watched him just light up my Gonzaga

595
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: Bulldogs in the n c A tournament. And probably it's

596
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 1: a good defender, and Stephen Gray, I remember, like he's good.

597
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: But okay, come on, I know it's in it's college

598
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: versus the pros. And I wasn't thinking I was gonna

599
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 1: stop him by anyway, But I just gardened him. Just

600
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: like at the end of that a few minutes stretch

601
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: where I had to guard him, I was like, he's different.

602
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't put my finger on it. You know. It's

603
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: just the way he moved with the ball, the way

604
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: he moved handling the ball, the pureness and the rhythm

605
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: that he shot it with. And you've been around enough

606
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: shooters to know there's good shooters and then the here shooters,

607
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: and and a lot of times the pureness is because

608
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: of how rhythmic their shot and how effortless it looks.

609
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: He had all those intangibles. It just took a couple

610
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: of years of getting through some injuries for him, uh,

611
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: and kind of growing into his game at that next

612
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: level before he took off. But I mean he's as

613
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: fun as anybody there ever has been to watch the play.

614
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: Do you consider him a PG dad? Uh? Yeah, I do. Um, Well,

615
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: you know you probably followed Rashad Phillips a little bit too.

616
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a great breakdown of of you know,

617
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: some different characteristics and how we slots players. Um. I

618
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: don't go as in depth as he does, but I

619
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Speaker 1: I like to call them ball handler decision makers, you know,

620
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot of true point guards anymore.

621
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Speaker 1: Chris Paul's point guard. I mean, bottom line, he's a

622
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: point guard. I think John Morant's kind of a ball

623
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: handler decision maker, saying with Damian Lillard, um, you know

624
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: guys that can make point guard as, but they're also

625
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: such a good score you don't want to take the

626
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: emphasis of them searching for their own shot out of

627
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: their comfort level. So that's the way I kind of

628
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: try to look at it. Ball handler decision makers. Wings

629
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: are like slasher attackers. And then Biggs. I mean, I'm

630
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: always I've always been guard oriented and how I look

631
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: at the game. So it post up bigs or pop

632
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: out step out bigs. I guess, yeah, yeah, I'm the

633
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 1: same way. I guess I was. I had Bob Meyer's

634
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: Gold States GM on a few weeks ago. We're had

635
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: the conversation of what position to Steph Kerry playing. Bob's like,

636
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: he's not a point guard, He's just a basketball player,

637
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's a basketball player, and that's how

638
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 1: they like to define things up in Golden State. My man,

639
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to know once you decided right to shut

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Speaker 1: it down, call it a day. How did you transition

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Speaker 1: back into the real world. Yeah, that's a that's a

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00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: hard one for any former athlete. I mean, you grow up.

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Speaker 1: That's all you're focused in on, that's all you're doing.

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Speaker 1: And unless you're truly at the at the peak, you

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00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: don't get to say I'm done. It's like the contracts

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, they dry up there, they're not

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Speaker 1: there anymore. I got waived by UH Phoenix, like I

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Speaker 1: had mentioned, and then I stuck around the house and

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00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: worked out, stayed in shape, and I said, if there's

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Speaker 1: no phone calls from an NBA team or a great

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00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: European opportunity, I was gonna go to the D League.

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00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: So I went to the D League for a short

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00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: stretch that year before I got hurt. I think I

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00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: played eight or ten games, played really well. No call

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00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: have happened, which it is what it is. You know,

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00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: how the drill goes. Sometimes it works, betimes it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: I got hurt, and in the D League, once you

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00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: get hurt chopping block, you're done. You're out of there.

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Speaker 1: Um And it was an injury plan or fasciitist that

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00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: it took me eight nine months to get rid of

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00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: and by that time we were kind of blended into

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Speaker 1: like the next season, there's no opportunities. Uh. Then the

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00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: lock what happens? And then the Blazers they had me

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Speaker 1: on the coaching staff for a year of player development. Um.

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00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: And then I wasn't kept when they had the new

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00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: regime come in with Terry Stott's and Neil old Shay um.

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00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: But at that point it was an opportunity where my

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00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: family moved to Spokane and I got into business and

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00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: I really started going into the broadcasting world, which for

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00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: a former player is as good as it gets. I mean, yeah,

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00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: you gotta do your homework, you gotta prepare, but you're

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00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: around the game. But you're not around the game where

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00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: you're watching eight hours of film like a coach and

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00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: having to like put together scouttering reports. You just gotta

675
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: know the game. As a broadcaster, you got you gotta

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00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 1: know storylines and be able to tell them a little

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00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: bit more. Yeah. No, it's a dream to call college basketball,

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00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: high school basketball, sit courtside. Uh you know what I mean?

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00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: There was like it's off the hook for a real hooper. Um.

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Speaker 1: I guess man, I wanted to touch on what you're

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00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: doing now where we can watch you, where we can

682
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: listen to your podcasts and you know, everything that's Dan Dick.

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00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: Where can we find it? Yeah, no, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: So I've been working with a sports media technology company

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00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: in Spokane for about six years. UM. We've got a

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00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: number of partnerships with associations across the country. UM, but

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00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm more focused on their media side where UM. I've

688
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: been doing a podcast for about a year and a

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00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: half called The ISO. You were a guest on it

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Speaker 1: a couple of months back, UM, where I try to

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00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: get players, coaches, former players, UM, just to share their experiences.

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Speaker 1: It's very similar to what you're doing now with myself.

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00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: So that's been fun. But then college basketball analysts work

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00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: or work pack twelve networks, CBS Sports, Westwood one Radio, UM,

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00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: so that keeps me close to the game. And then

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Speaker 1: most recently, I just opened to Shoot three sixty facility

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Speaker 1: and Spokane. I'm sure you're aware of those down in

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Speaker 1: the l A. Area. UM. It's the new wave of

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Speaker 1: of technology based basketball training. So I was lucky enough

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Speaker 1: to have an opportunity. We've been open for three weeks

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Speaker 1: and it's going really well. I love it because you know,

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00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: once a hooper, always a hooper. You want to find

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Speaker 1: a way to get into a gym, This is kind

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Speaker 1: of an extra incentive and extra way to get into

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Speaker 1: the gym and be around what I love. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: have one down here in the Torrance area. I've actually

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Speaker 1: been to one. I was always wondering about, do you

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Speaker 1: guys have the full court also? And then like a

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Speaker 1: bunch of other smaller courts like set up. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: the Torrents one that you're talking about has an NBA

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Speaker 1: regulation full court and I think ten skills stations, shooting stations.

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Speaker 1: Ours in Spokane we've got five shooting stations, five skills stations,

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Speaker 1: and then we do have a full court, but it's

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Speaker 1: not NBA length. It's uh, I think it's seventy six

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00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: ft by fifties, so, you know, all the way up

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00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: to high school aged kids. It's perfect. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: we do a number. You sign up as a member,

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Speaker 1: you get unlimited access to the technology. But then we

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Speaker 1: were gonna run a number of you know, skill workouts

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Speaker 1: and and clinics throughout the you know, upcoming years here

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Speaker 1: in Spokane and really try to put Spokane on a

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Speaker 1: map basketball wise. It's never gonna be l A. It's

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Speaker 1: never gonna be Portland or Seattle. Um, but you know,

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Speaker 1: we do get some good players occasionally out of here.

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Speaker 1: One of two of them that you might know, John

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Speaker 1: Stockton and Adam Morrison. Yeah, I heard of those guys.

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Speaker 1: They were pretty good. They're pretty good. Hey, Dan, well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us on kJ Live today. Man.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be checking you out and all of your

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Speaker 1: endeavors that everybody that's in the Spokane area hit up

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Speaker 1: shoot three sixty. When you get the chance, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: Dan dick out