Speaker 1: Welcome into Jagsiah. I'm Kinani Stephens, Brian Sexton, and John
Speaker 1: Oser are with me today. Jack Wars are getting ready
Speaker 1: to head to Las Vegas later this week. But first off,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk a little bit more about that
Speaker 1: Jets performance against the Jets and then also what they're
Speaker 1: doing this week to prepare for the Raiders. So we'll
Speaker 1: start out with big thing number one, which is rookie phenom.
Speaker 1: As we know, Brian Thomas Junior had a breakout game
Speaker 1: against the Jets two touchdowns, one hundred and five receiving
Speaker 1: yards and ten receptions, one of his best performances so far.
Speaker 1: And Brian, we've talked a lot about. I made that
Speaker 1: not so hot take of that. I think he's the
Speaker 1: best rookie wide receiver of this class. But quickly is
Speaker 1: he approaching maybe top ten in the league as one
Speaker 1: of the better receivers as a whole.
Speaker 2: Wait, look, Tuck, he's going to be. I mean it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what you ask him to do. Catch it
Speaker 2: short and run on a slant, or go deep and
Speaker 2: catch the ball like he did against Jalen Rams on
Speaker 2: opening Day. He's tall, he's long, he's fast, he's got
Speaker 2: game strength. I mean, this is a guy who's got
Speaker 2: everything you could possibly want, and you know we talk
Speaker 2: about hot takes. I didn't want the drag Wars to
Speaker 2: draft him. I thought this was too good of a
Speaker 2: draft for offensive tackles, that you needed to get big guys,
Speaker 2: and yet they took him, and he turned into one
Speaker 2: of the best Drag Wars draft picks that I can recall,
Speaker 2: and one of the best receivers in Jaguars history. I
Speaker 2: mean Jimmy Smith right, Thomas Junior. He doesn't say a
Speaker 2: lot about the Jaguars history of wide receivers. There have
Speaker 2: been some really good ones, but this guy looked like
Speaker 2: he's going to be mentioned among the very best.
Speaker 3: I think what's really impressive is I've never seen a
Speaker 3: rookie wide receiver who is as good as a rookie
Speaker 3: as he is in his third or fourth year, because
Speaker 3: there's so much to learn. There's so much in terms
Speaker 3: of route running in it's just NFL knowledge and experience
Speaker 3: that you gained. I'd say he's approaching top ten and
Speaker 3: if I could put him there yet. But I was
Speaker 3: with Brian. I thought they should have gone big. I
Speaker 3: want this team to get bigger stronger, more dominant up front.
Speaker 3: But you also need superstars, and on a team that
Speaker 3: hasn't had enough, especially at that position, which is a
Speaker 3: premier position in the NFL. Now it looks like they
Speaker 3: finally have a superstar.
Speaker 2: Kay I told the story back after the Colts game,
Speaker 2: after his fifth week in professional football, that standing next
Speaker 2: to Jimmy Smith and listening to the greatest of the
Speaker 2: Jaguars receivers talk about this kid admirably, admirably, you know,
Speaker 2: talking about his great traits and what he saw in
Speaker 2: him in just a few games told me everything I
Speaker 2: needed to know about Brian Thomas junior.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to think about him. If we
Speaker 1: hadn't drafted him this year, this season without him would
Speaker 1: not have been any fun at all. So let's get
Speaker 1: to our second big thing, which is return of the Mac.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Mac obviously threw a crucial interception at the end of
Speaker 1: the game against the Jets, but overall, probably his best
Speaker 1: game so far in the Jaguars uniform. John and if
Speaker 1: nothing else Mac is entertaining. Is this the Mac We're
Speaker 1: going to get the rest of the way or do
Speaker 1: we still not know because of the inconsistency?
Speaker 3: Well, I hope. So he's played, he's had moments. He
Speaker 3: was certainly better on Sunday than he has been. I
Speaker 3: think you're gonna get it in the sense that he's
Speaker 3: gonna throw a pick that breaks your heart. That seems
Speaker 3: like it's happened every game. But the other day he
Speaker 3: mixed in a lot of energy. He mixed in being
Speaker 3: able to go downfield of Brian Thomas Jr. Really getting
Speaker 3: him the ball he distributed, and yeah, it was fun
Speaker 3: to watch him. I think teammates got behind him. So
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, there's three games left, I would
Speaker 3: say you'd see good Mac Mac in two of them
Speaker 3: and one of them you'll probably see bad Mac that
Speaker 3: breaks your heart. And I hope not because I like
Speaker 3: the kid.
Speaker 2: We are seeing more of the good Mac, right, I
Speaker 2: mean week to week, there's more good than bad with Mac,
Speaker 2: and so that you know, boges well with three games
Speaker 2: left that perhaps we'll see some really good Mac before
Speaker 2: this is all said and done with. You'd rather be
Speaker 2: the Jaguars with Mac Joones than the Raiders with Desmond Ritter.
Speaker 2: I mean, you got a guy that you know can
Speaker 2: go out and operate and John when I watch him,
Speaker 2: I just think you hear quarterbacks described as guys who
Speaker 2: can make all the throws, Well, he don't look like
Speaker 2: you make all the throws. He doesn't have that deep
Speaker 2: ball accuracy to be able to really take advantage of
Speaker 2: someone like Brian Thomas Junior. So the trick for Press Taylor,
Speaker 2: for Doug this week is to figure out a way
Speaker 2: to tailor the game plan to do what he does
Speaker 2: and still find a way to throw the ball deep
Speaker 2: when you can.
Speaker 3: Coming up.
Speaker 1: Our final big thing is going to be familiar faces
Speaker 1: because we take on the Raiders this week and there
Speaker 1: are a couple of familiar faces on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the football. Former defensive coordinator here Mike Caldwell now
Speaker 1: out the linebackers coach for the Raiders, and also kaylebon
Speaker 1: Chase on who Brian already has three sacks and one
Speaker 1: interception this year for the Raiders.
Speaker 2: One of the all time worst first round picks in
Speaker 2: Jaguars history, and there have been a lot of them,
Speaker 2: but this is the guy that the Jaguars took instead
Speaker 2: of taking Justin Jefferson. And I still think how the
Speaker 2: world in the twenty twenty draft room, can you say,
Speaker 2: look at twenty twenty one. We're taking a quarterback no
Speaker 2: matter what. So how are we doing this? I mean,
Speaker 2: how are we taking this past Rusher who had six
Speaker 2: sacks in one year. I'm sorry, I'm going way back
Speaker 2: in the past, but yeah, I'll always remember Caleb On
Speaker 2: Chase On as not being justin Jefferson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were filling needs in that draft, and when
Speaker 3: you reach for needs, you hurt yourself. So look, there's
Speaker 3: anything wrong with Calebon I'm not gonna say here in
Speaker 3: the show and Slam. He was not what they hoped
Speaker 3: for in four years here, and good for him if
Speaker 3: he's having some success, and you know, good for Mike.
Speaker 3: Good for Mike callwell too. It's in the past, all right.
Speaker 1: We'll talk some more about the Raiders later this week,
Speaker 1: but coming up after the break, we're gonna talk about
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Speaker 3: It's week sixteen.
Speaker 1: At this point, we're getting ready to head to Las
Speaker 1: Vegas a little bit later in the week. But we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about what's been going on around the
Speaker 1: NFL as well, so we keep you up to date
Speaker 1: on everything. We're gonna play the Titans again in two weeks,
Speaker 1: but who will be the quarterback will be interesting, as
Speaker 1: they benched Will Levis against the Bengals this week after
Speaker 1: three interceptions, including a pick six, and it got ugly
Speaker 1: really quick. We saw some ugly play from Levis when
Speaker 1: we played them earlier this month, but doesn't look good
Speaker 1: for him there.
Speaker 2: No I would think that Mason Rudolph would be the
Speaker 2: guy that they would go with. It gives him the
Speaker 2: best chance to execute on offense, and we've been talking
Speaker 2: about that here all year. Is making sure that some
Speaker 2: of the young guys, whether it's an offensive lineman or
Speaker 2: a skilled position player, they have the best chance to
Speaker 2: engage the offense and execute the offense.
Speaker 3: And Mason Rudolf is a competent backup.
Speaker 2: And at some point Brian Callahan just as to say enough,
Speaker 2: I've seen enough.
Speaker 3: I need to see my offense work well, And I
Speaker 3: think he probably cares less about seeing the offense work
Speaker 3: in the short term. In the frame is knowing who
Speaker 3: the quarterback is going to be. In the long term.
Speaker 3: Before the Titans Jaguars game, or was it ten days ago,
Speaker 3: the storyline up there was that Levis had done some
Speaker 3: good things and there was a chance that he could
Speaker 3: be the guy moving forward. The reason this is such
Speaker 3: an important story for the Jaguars is now you sort
Speaker 3: of know he's not gonna be the guy there, So
Speaker 3: you're gonna have a team in Tennessee that gets into
Speaker 3: that quarterback building, find dark guy mode again, and that'll
Speaker 3: be their storyline until they find.
Speaker 1: The guy interesting interesting. I thought it was gonna be
Speaker 1: the Colts maybe, but Anthony Richardson has been playing a
Speaker 1: bit more too, so I guess we'll see.
Speaker 2: Well, Anthony Richardson, listen. I mean when you look at
Speaker 2: him as a pastor, you still think what's he doing?
Speaker 2: And then you watch him run and make a couple
Speaker 2: of throws on the run and think, well, maybe, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe they can refine that. But they're gonna have to
Speaker 2: be really patient until he comes way around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awfully hard when all you can do is
Speaker 3: run as a quarterback. They're great runners Kyler Murray and
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson and guys like that, but they are much
Speaker 3: more polished and you know can win from the pocket
Speaker 3: at times. Anthony richards right has to have time every
Speaker 3: winning for the box.
Speaker 2: Well listen, I mean Lamar Jackson came into the league
Speaker 2: and he was a better passor than Anthony richards and
Speaker 2: he has done it more at Louisville. You know, Heisman Trophy,
Speaker 2: but he wasn't as polished as he needed to be.
Speaker 2: And when you see him the last couple of years
Speaker 2: in particular, he's really lifted his game. So I mean,
Speaker 2: I would have some hope for Anthony Richardson because I
Speaker 2: hear he's a good kid and works hard.
Speaker 1: We will see, we will see development game for sure.
Speaker 1: As far as the Raiders that we're going to be
Speaker 1: facing off against this week, they played on Monday Night football,
Speaker 1: so it's a short week for them taking on the
Speaker 1: Falcons in a barn burner twelve to nine.
Speaker 3: So is that the offense we're gonna see?
Speaker 1: I guess, or I guess the Falcons haven't fallen off
Speaker 1: as well. With Kirk Cousins not playing very well.
Speaker 3: It's so hard to know what you're going to get
Speaker 3: from a team that's out of it. With he's a
Speaker 3: third quarterback. They've had so It would have been easy
Speaker 3: last week, right for fans and say, well, the Jaguars
Speaker 3: can't score against the Jets. We all sort of did it,
Speaker 3: but they came out found something and they got twenty
Speaker 3: two points. So you can never say with the team
Speaker 3: that's out of it just because this happened, it is
Speaker 3: gonna happen. They're depleted. Both teams should strive to get
Speaker 3: out of the teams and I would guess the team
Speaker 3: that scored seventeen or more wins, but I thought that
Speaker 3: last week too.
Speaker 2: Just to your point on the Falcons, they're seven and seven,
Speaker 2: but you know they have Bejon Robinson, right, and they
Speaker 2: have big, toll fast receivers. That's suppose that they went
Speaker 2: and gavee Kirk Cousins all that money because they thought,
Speaker 2: here we go. I mean, this is our year to
Speaker 2: challenge and they're still in it in the NFC with
Speaker 2: a couple of games left to go. That's a perplexing
Speaker 2: team because there is a lot of ability up there
Speaker 2: and they just haven't got enough from it.
Speaker 1: A lot of parody around the league. Definitely interesting to
Speaker 1: watch it all go down. Say well, so we're going
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Speaker 3: This this Schoor's.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to jagszam or and do a little this
Speaker 1: or that. As we look at this team going forward
Speaker 1: the last three games of the season, we've talked a
Speaker 1: ton about the younger players kind of going up basically
Speaker 1: seeing what that is available for them. I think we've noticed,
Speaker 1: at least specifically on defense, there's gonna be some holes
Speaker 1: to be filled in the off season and some positions
Speaker 1: that are open. Is there a position group that you
Speaker 1: think specifically is one that is a need at this
Speaker 1: point or that you want to see younger players step up?
Speaker 3: Or who are you kind of looking at.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll stick with the defensive line because I've been
Speaker 2: on that and not the X to your guys, obviously,
Speaker 2: you know what you have with Josh and with Trayvon.
Speaker 2: You've got to be able to stop the run. And
Speaker 2: this team there was a section of the season where
Speaker 2: they just couldn't do anything at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: On defense, you draft Mason Smith and Jordan Jefferson. I
Speaker 2: need to see those guys and we haven't seen them
Speaker 2: on the field together. We haven't even seen him active
Speaker 2: on the same game day when Jefferson was active in
Speaker 2: doing things in London, and just after London, Mason Smith wasn't.
Speaker 2: Mason Smith's been active the last couple of weeks. That
Speaker 2: was a second and a fourth round pick. Those two
Speaker 2: guys have got to come through in a big way
Speaker 2: or you've got to go at the top of the
Speaker 2: draft next year and be looking for defensive tackles because
Speaker 2: you're just not big enough and strong enough inside on
Speaker 2: the defensive line.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I kind of think it doesn't matter what these
Speaker 3: guys do. At the end. I think you need to
Speaker 3: get stouter, bigger in the defensive line. And I'm not
Speaker 3: sure that you know. We need to stop playing depth
Speaker 3: chart football. I call it in the alf season with
Speaker 3: the defensive line and just get as many guys as
Speaker 3: you can because you need six or seven really good
Speaker 3: players up there to do it, and I think they
Speaker 3: have it. I'll go defensive back. For the point of
Speaker 3: the question, you really wonder what safety is gonna look
Speaker 3: like next year. Yeah, I don't think Cisco is going
Speaker 3: to be back. Dewey, who I liked very much as
Speaker 3: a player, hasn't really gotten on the field very much.
Speaker 3: Antonio Johnson struggled. So I think you keep playing those guys.
Speaker 3: You get Antonio into the lineup, you get DeAndre Prince
Speaker 3: into the lineup, but they need some bodies and some
Speaker 3: young bodies without regard to depth chart defensive back and
Speaker 3: defensive line, because there's just not enough there there.
Speaker 2: No, And I don't want to see him play in
Speaker 2: free agency at all at all. You like to just
Speaker 2: shut it down and not go there at all. They
Speaker 2: will go into it. It's what the Jaguars have done historically.
Speaker 2: Safety is a place where you might be able to
Speaker 2: go find a couple of guys who can come in
Speaker 2: and help you. But I'm with you, you have to
Speaker 2: overhauld the position and scheme might have something to do
Speaker 2: with it. Yeah, you know, the defensive scheme doesn't work.
Speaker 2: I don't know whether you ask Ryan Nielsen to change
Speaker 2: it or you change that. I don't know what you
Speaker 2: do there, but maybe that has something to do with
Speaker 2: how these guys can play better.
Speaker 3: And here's what we're talking about with free agency. Look,
Speaker 3: I like Darnell Savage, he's been good, but you pay
Speaker 3: a veteran guy to come in and be what you
Speaker 3: would hope that you could get a second year guy
Speaker 3: to be. And I darn Hosk have a good, long career,
Speaker 3: but I don't know that paying that to bring it
Speaker 3: in is better than having second year guy to bring
Speaker 3: it in. And they've got to start having second and
Speaker 3: third year guys playing these roles that they're bringing these
Speaker 3: veterans into play.
Speaker 2: Well, let me qualify it. Then I don't want him
Speaker 2: to play in heavy you know, in big name free agency.
Speaker 2: But go find a couple of guys who you can
Speaker 2: bring in here to off the level of competition, that
Speaker 2: second tier, that third tier of guys, big bodies who
Speaker 2: can run, and that you can coach them and figure
Speaker 2: out whether they can play or not. Because other than
Speaker 2: Antonio Johnson, you don't you don't look like you've got anybody.
Speaker 3: I mean Savage.
Speaker 2: But we know that the big dollar free agent doesn't work,
Speaker 2: not long term think.
Speaker 1: So not short term much either. But we'll make it
Speaker 1: happen for my second this or that. Today I'm looking
Speaker 1: a little bit. We talked about both of these guys already,
Speaker 1: but Mac Jones doesn't Ritter. These are backup quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: this matchup. We're gonna see on Sunday. Which of them
Speaker 1: has a better opportunity at this point, Who do you
Speaker 1: think is making a better case for themselves? Obviously doesn't,
Speaker 1: Ritter hasn't hasn't had as many games as Mac thus far.
Speaker 1: But towards the end of the season. Who's gonna have
Speaker 1: this better chance? Who's gonna take advantage of the opportunity?
Speaker 3: Well, I think realistically both, I'm trying to dodge the question.
Speaker 3: I think both of them are gonna be back ups.
Speaker 3: They're the same guy, and uh, they haven't really shown
Speaker 3: that magic or his azz. I don't know that gms
Speaker 3: are gonna be sitting boy. We've got to have that
Speaker 3: at a starting level salary. As opposed to, you know,
Speaker 3: let's go draft. Are you gonna bring Mac Jones in
Speaker 3: next year if you're the you know, a team in
Speaker 3: the A C West, for example, to say, okay, we're
Speaker 3: gonna start him. I don't think so. I think they're
Speaker 3: both gonna be good backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Mac has earned the free agent contract.
Speaker 2: I don't think any would argue that he hasn't earned
Speaker 2: the free agent contract. I'd like to see Mac back
Speaker 2: here as a backup, right, I mean a guy who
Speaker 2: can play in his hometown for a number of years. Listen,
Speaker 2: how much should Chase Daniel make the former Saint and
Speaker 2: he was around the league with a couple of different teams,
Speaker 2: the Eagles for a while. He made like forty seven
Speaker 2: million dollars in fourteen years of being a backup quarterback.
Speaker 2: It is a lucrative way to make a living, So
Speaker 2: maybe that would work. I think both of these guys
Speaker 2: are the same guy. It's hard to say who has
Speaker 2: a greater opportunity. I'll go with Mac because he's got
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Junior on the field.
Speaker 1: That certainly doesn't hurt. And we'll get to see it
Speaker 1: Labin in person on Sunday, so we'll be able to
Speaker 1: judge a little bit better after that. I imagine, stay
Speaker 1: with us. We'll tell you what's going on the rest
Speaker 1: of the.
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Speaker 2: Sure he.
Speaker 3: Lay the back flip that led the back up. You
Speaker 3: ain't said.
Speaker 1: I when y'all dam though you walked the.
Speaker 3: Way that's the back floor.
Speaker 2: You lie like hell man, You ain't said it. You
Speaker 2: ain't hear it. Hit the bat ain't clean, bigga bad blow.
Speaker 3: How I missed that? Let's Trayvon Walker miked up? Missed
Speaker 3: the back flip.
Speaker 1: I don't know how because you two feet away from it,
Speaker 1: but apparently didn't see it. And uh thought Josh high
Speaker 1: Down was on too, because Josh does that a lot.
Speaker 2: Super impressive. But was I the only person who was
Speaker 2: thinking about when Buccaneers kicker Martine Gramatica did the same
Speaker 2: thing in towards a CEO? Remember that a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago on Monday Night football.
Speaker 3: A couple was about twenty three long ago. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: do didn't see that long. It was a hike for
Speaker 3: guys like you and me. It's not longer. I thought
Speaker 3: it was really cool. That was really funny, and yeah,
Speaker 3: probably gonna do it every play. I was a little scary.
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna make the full rotation, but the one
Speaker 1: got hurt.
Speaker 3: Awesome athlete.
Speaker 2: It was good.
Speaker 1: Three hundred pound backflip is impressive. Coming up this week, obviously,
Speaker 1: we're getting ready to head to the West Coast our
Speaker 1: first West.
Speaker 3: Coast game, I think this season. Yes, I don't think
Speaker 3: we went last season either. Anytime you could avoid going
Speaker 3: to the West Coast, it's a good.
Speaker 1: Deal, probably for the best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. Is it a bit of track?
Speaker 1: Of course we had the London trip in there, so
Speaker 1: there's always that. What are you guys looking at this week?
Speaker 1: Who are you talking to?
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk to you Richard and Google the
Speaker 2: tight Ends coach about Brenton Strange. You know, we spent
Speaker 2: so much time on Brian Thomas Junior, and rightfully so.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the story of the season, but quietly,
Speaker 2: Brenton Strange has carved a roll out for himself bigger
Speaker 2: than I think a lot of people thought possible in
Speaker 2: year two, especially after year one was kind of limited.
Speaker 2: I think he's got big time potential and I'm excited
Speaker 2: to talk to Richard and Google about him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's turning into a nice player. I'm hoping to
Speaker 3: get Mac Jones. Sometimes the quarterback can be busy during
Speaker 3: the week, so I think it could be fun. We
Speaker 3: can talk about Southside Private School Jackson.
Speaker 2: Listen, it will be more than fun. I mean, you'll
Speaker 2: just have to sit back and let him do all
Speaker 2: the talking.
Speaker 3: He's a good time.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you all his favorite restaurant choices. I'm sure
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be talking to the backflipper himself, Fos, I believe,
Speaker 1: and I will find out where all that came from,
Speaker 1: if he's a gymnast or what in the off season.
Speaker 1: But we'll be back again tomorrow on Jagsam. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to you more about that Raiders matchup coming up this weekend.