1 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: Welcome into Jagsiah. I'm Kinani Stephens, Brian Sexton, and John 2 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: Oser are with me today. Jack Wars are getting ready 3 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: to head to Las Vegas later this week. But first off, 4 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 1: we're going to talk a little bit more about that 5 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: Jets performance against the Jets and then also what they're 6 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: doing this week to prepare for the Raiders. So we'll 7 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: start out with big thing number one, which is rookie phenom. 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: As we know, Brian Thomas Junior had a breakout game 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: against the Jets two touchdowns, one hundred and five receiving 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: yards and ten receptions, one of his best performances so far. 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: And Brian, we've talked a lot about. I made that 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: not so hot take of that. I think he's the 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: best rookie wide receiver of this class. But quickly is 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: he approaching maybe top ten in the league as one 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: of the better receivers as a whole. 16 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: Wait, look, Tuck, he's going to be. I mean it 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: doesn't matter what you ask him to do. Catch it 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: short and run on a slant, or go deep and 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: catch the ball like he did against Jalen Rams on 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: opening Day. He's tall, he's long, he's fast, he's got 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: game strength. I mean, this is a guy who's got 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: everything you could possibly want, and you know we talk 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: about hot takes. I didn't want the drag Wars to 24 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: draft him. I thought this was too good of a 25 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: draft for offensive tackles, that you needed to get big guys, 26 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: and yet they took him, and he turned into one 27 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 2: of the best Drag Wars draft picks that I can recall, 28 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: and one of the best receivers in Jaguars history. I 29 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: mean Jimmy Smith right, Thomas Junior. He doesn't say a 30 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: lot about the Jaguars history of wide receivers. There have 31 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: been some really good ones, but this guy looked like 32 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 2: he's going to be mentioned among the very best. 33 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 3: I think what's really impressive is I've never seen a 34 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: rookie wide receiver who is as good as a rookie 35 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: as he is in his third or fourth year, because 36 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 3: there's so much to learn. There's so much in terms 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: of route running in it's just NFL knowledge and experience 38 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: that you gained. I'd say he's approaching top ten and 39 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 3: if I could put him there yet. But I was 40 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: with Brian. I thought they should have gone big. I 41 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: want this team to get bigger stronger, more dominant up front. 42 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: But you also need superstars, and on a team that 43 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: hasn't had enough, especially at that position, which is a 44 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: premier position in the NFL. Now it looks like they 45 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 3: finally have a superstar. 46 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 2: Kay I told the story back after the Colts game, 47 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: after his fifth week in professional football, that standing next 48 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 2: to Jimmy Smith and listening to the greatest of the 49 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: Jaguars receivers talk about this kid admirably, admirably, you know, 50 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: talking about his great traits and what he saw in 51 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: him in just a few games told me everything I 52 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: needed to know about Brian Thomas junior. 53 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to think about him. If we 54 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: hadn't drafted him this year, this season without him would 55 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: not have been any fun at all. So let's get 56 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: to our second big thing, which is return of the Mac. 57 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: Now. 58 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: Mac obviously threw a crucial interception at the end of 59 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: the game against the Jets, but overall, probably his best 60 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: game so far in the Jaguars uniform. John and if 61 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: nothing else Mac is entertaining. Is this the Mac We're 62 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: going to get the rest of the way or do 63 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: we still not know because of the inconsistency? 64 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: Well, I hope. So he's played, he's had moments. He 65 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: was certainly better on Sunday than he has been. I 66 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 3: think you're gonna get it in the sense that he's 67 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 3: gonna throw a pick that breaks your heart. That seems 68 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 3: like it's happened every game. But the other day he 69 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 3: mixed in a lot of energy. He mixed in being 70 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: able to go downfield of Brian Thomas Jr. Really getting 71 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 3: him the ball he distributed, and yeah, it was fun 72 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: to watch him. I think teammates got behind him. So 73 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, there's three games left, I would 74 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: say you'd see good Mac Mac in two of them 75 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 3: and one of them you'll probably see bad Mac that 76 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: breaks your heart. And I hope not because I like 77 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: the kid. 78 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: We are seeing more of the good Mac, right, I 79 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: mean week to week, there's more good than bad with Mac, 80 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: and so that you know, boges well with three games 81 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: left that perhaps we'll see some really good Mac before 82 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: this is all said and done with. You'd rather be 83 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: the Jaguars with Mac Joones than the Raiders with Desmond Ritter. 84 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: I mean, you got a guy that you know can 85 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: go out and operate and John when I watch him, 86 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: I just think you hear quarterbacks described as guys who 87 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: can make all the throws, Well, he don't look like 88 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: you make all the throws. He doesn't have that deep 89 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: ball accuracy to be able to really take advantage of 90 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 2: someone like Brian Thomas Junior. So the trick for Press Taylor, 91 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: for Doug this week is to figure out a way 92 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: to tailor the game plan to do what he does 93 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: and still find a way to throw the ball deep 94 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: when you can. 95 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: Coming up. 96 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: Our final big thing is going to be familiar faces 97 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: because we take on the Raiders this week and there 98 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: are a couple of familiar faces on the defensive side 99 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: of the football. Former defensive coordinator here Mike Caldwell now 100 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: out the linebackers coach for the Raiders, and also kaylebon 101 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: Chase on who Brian already has three sacks and one 102 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,679 Speaker 1: interception this year for the Raiders. 103 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: One of the all time worst first round picks in 104 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: Jaguars history, and there have been a lot of them, 105 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: but this is the guy that the Jaguars took instead 106 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: of taking Justin Jefferson. And I still think how the 107 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: world in the twenty twenty draft room, can you say, 108 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: look at twenty twenty one. We're taking a quarterback no 109 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: matter what. So how are we doing this? I mean, 110 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: how are we taking this past Rusher who had six 111 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: sacks in one year. I'm sorry, I'm going way back 112 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: in the past, but yeah, I'll always remember Caleb On 113 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: Chase On as not being justin Jefferson. 114 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were filling needs in that draft, and when 115 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 3: you reach for needs, you hurt yourself. So look, there's 116 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: anything wrong with Calebon I'm not gonna say here in 117 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: the show and Slam. He was not what they hoped 118 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: for in four years here, and good for him if 119 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: he's having some success, and you know, good for Mike. 120 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: Good for Mike callwell too. It's in the past, all right. 121 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: We'll talk some more about the Raiders later this week, 122 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: but coming up after the break, we're gonna talk about 123 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: what's going on around the NFL. Welcome back to jag 124 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: vaan brought to you by Field's Auto, Jacksonville's premier luxury 125 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: auto group. Head over to Fields Auto dot com to 126 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: check him out today. Welcome back into jags Am. 127 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 3: It's week sixteen. 128 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: At this point, we're getting ready to head to Las 129 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: Vegas a little bit later in the week. But we're 130 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: going to talk about what's been going on around the 131 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: NFL as well, so we keep you up to date 132 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: on everything. We're gonna play the Titans again in two weeks, 133 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: but who will be the quarterback will be interesting, as 134 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: they benched Will Levis against the Bengals this week after 135 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: three interceptions, including a pick six, and it got ugly 136 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: really quick. We saw some ugly play from Levis when 137 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: we played them earlier this month, but doesn't look good 138 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: for him there. 139 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: No I would think that Mason Rudolph would be the 140 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: guy that they would go with. It gives him the 141 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: best chance to execute on offense, and we've been talking 142 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: about that here all year. Is making sure that some 143 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: of the young guys, whether it's an offensive lineman or 144 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: a skilled position player, they have the best chance to 145 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: engage the offense and execute the offense. 146 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 3: And Mason Rudolf is a competent backup. 147 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: And at some point Brian Callahan just as to say enough, 148 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 2: I've seen enough. 149 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: I need to see my offense work well, And I 150 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: think he probably cares less about seeing the offense work 151 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: in the short term. In the frame is knowing who 152 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: the quarterback is going to be. In the long term. 153 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: Before the Titans Jaguars game, or was it ten days ago, 154 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: the storyline up there was that Levis had done some 155 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: good things and there was a chance that he could 156 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: be the guy moving forward. The reason this is such 157 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: an important story for the Jaguars is now you sort 158 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 3: of know he's not gonna be the guy there, So 159 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 3: you're gonna have a team in Tennessee that gets into 160 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: that quarterback building, find dark guy mode again, and that'll 161 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: be their storyline until they find. 162 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: The guy interesting interesting. I thought it was gonna be 163 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: the Colts maybe, but Anthony Richardson has been playing a 164 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: bit more too, so I guess we'll see. 165 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 2: Well, Anthony Richardson, listen. I mean when you look at 166 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: him as a pastor, you still think what's he doing? 167 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: And then you watch him run and make a couple 168 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: of throws on the run and think, well, maybe, you know, 169 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: maybe they can refine that. But they're gonna have to 170 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: be really patient until he comes way around. 171 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awfully hard when all you can do is 172 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 3: run as a quarterback. They're great runners Kyler Murray and 173 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson and guys like that, but they are much 174 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: more polished and you know can win from the pocket 175 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: at times. Anthony richards right has to have time every 176 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: winning for the box. 177 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: Well listen, I mean Lamar Jackson came into the league 178 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: and he was a better passor than Anthony richards and 179 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: he has done it more at Louisville. You know, Heisman Trophy, 180 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: but he wasn't as polished as he needed to be. 181 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: And when you see him the last couple of years 182 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: in particular, he's really lifted his game. So I mean, 183 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: I would have some hope for Anthony Richardson because I 184 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: hear he's a good kid and works hard. 185 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: We will see, we will see development game for sure. 186 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 1: As far as the Raiders that we're going to be 187 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: facing off against this week, they played on Monday Night football, 188 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: so it's a short week for them taking on the 189 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: Falcons in a barn burner twelve to nine. 190 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 3: So is that the offense we're gonna see? 191 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: I guess, or I guess the Falcons haven't fallen off 192 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: as well. With Kirk Cousins not playing very well. 193 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: It's so hard to know what you're going to get 194 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: from a team that's out of it. With he's a 195 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: third quarterback. They've had so It would have been easy 196 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 3: last week, right for fans and say, well, the Jaguars 197 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 3: can't score against the Jets. We all sort of did it, 198 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 3: but they came out found something and they got twenty 199 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: two points. So you can never say with the team 200 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 3: that's out of it just because this happened, it is 201 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 3: gonna happen. They're depleted. Both teams should strive to get 202 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: out of the teams and I would guess the team 203 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 3: that scored seventeen or more wins, but I thought that 204 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 3: last week too. 205 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: Just to your point on the Falcons, they're seven and seven, 206 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: but you know they have Bejon Robinson, right, and they 207 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: have big, toll fast receivers. That's suppose that they went 208 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 2: and gavee Kirk Cousins all that money because they thought, 209 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: here we go. I mean, this is our year to 210 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: challenge and they're still in it in the NFC with 211 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: a couple of games left to go. That's a perplexing 212 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: team because there is a lot of ability up there 213 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: and they just haven't got enough from it. 214 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: A lot of parody around the league. Definitely interesting to 215 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: watch it all go down. Say well, so we're going 216 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: to do a little this or that after the break 217 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: for eleven years, Dreamfinders Homes I'm been proud to call 218 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: themselves the official home builder of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Physic Dreamfinders' 219 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: Homes dot com for all of the available inventory and 220 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: go Jags. 221 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: This this Schoor's. 222 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: Welcome back to jagszam or and do a little this 223 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: or that. As we look at this team going forward 224 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: the last three games of the season, we've talked a 225 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: ton about the younger players kind of going up basically 226 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: seeing what that is available for them. I think we've noticed, 227 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: at least specifically on defense, there's gonna be some holes 228 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: to be filled in the off season and some positions 229 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: that are open. Is there a position group that you 230 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: think specifically is one that is a need at this 231 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: point or that you want to see younger players step up? 232 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 3: Or who are you kind of looking at. 233 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: Well, I'll stick with the defensive line because I've been 234 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: on that and not the X to your guys, obviously, 235 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: you know what you have with Josh and with Trayvon. 236 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: You've got to be able to stop the run. And 237 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: this team there was a section of the season where 238 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: they just couldn't do anything at the line of scrimmage. 239 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: On defense, you draft Mason Smith and Jordan Jefferson. I 240 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 2: need to see those guys and we haven't seen them 241 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 2: on the field together. We haven't even seen him active 242 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: on the same game day when Jefferson was active in 243 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: doing things in London, and just after London, Mason Smith wasn't. 244 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: Mason Smith's been active the last couple of weeks. That 245 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: was a second and a fourth round pick. Those two 246 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 2: guys have got to come through in a big way 247 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: or you've got to go at the top of the 248 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: draft next year and be looking for defensive tackles because 249 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 2: you're just not big enough and strong enough inside on 250 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 2: the defensive line. 251 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. I kind of think it doesn't matter what these 252 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: guys do. At the end. I think you need to 253 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 3: get stouter, bigger in the defensive line. And I'm not 254 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: sure that you know. We need to stop playing depth 255 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 3: chart football. I call it in the alf season with 256 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 3: the defensive line and just get as many guys as 257 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 3: you can because you need six or seven really good 258 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: players up there to do it, and I think they 259 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 3: have it. I'll go defensive back. For the point of 260 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 3: the question, you really wonder what safety is gonna look 261 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 3: like next year. Yeah, I don't think Cisco is going 262 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: to be back. Dewey, who I liked very much as 263 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 3: a player, hasn't really gotten on the field very much. 264 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: Antonio Johnson struggled. So I think you keep playing those guys. 265 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: You get Antonio into the lineup, you get DeAndre Prince 266 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 3: into the lineup, but they need some bodies and some 267 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 3: young bodies without regard to depth chart defensive back and 268 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: defensive line, because there's just not enough there there. 269 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: No, And I don't want to see him play in 270 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 2: free agency at all at all. You like to just 271 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: shut it down and not go there at all. They 272 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: will go into it. It's what the Jaguars have done historically. 273 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: Safety is a place where you might be able to 274 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: go find a couple of guys who can come in 275 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: and help you. But I'm with you, you have to 276 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: overhauld the position and scheme might have something to do 277 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: with it. Yeah, you know, the defensive scheme doesn't work. 278 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 2: I don't know whether you ask Ryan Nielsen to change 279 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: it or you change that. I don't know what you 280 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 2: do there, but maybe that has something to do with 281 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: how these guys can play better. 282 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: And here's what we're talking about with free agency. Look, 283 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 3: I like Darnell Savage, he's been good, but you pay 284 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 3: a veteran guy to come in and be what you 285 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 3: would hope that you could get a second year guy 286 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: to be. And I darn Hosk have a good, long career, 287 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 3: but I don't know that paying that to bring it 288 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: in is better than having second year guy to bring 289 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 3: it in. And they've got to start having second and 290 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: third year guys playing these roles that they're bringing these 291 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: veterans into play. 292 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: Well, let me qualify it. Then I don't want him 293 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: to play in heavy you know, in big name free agency. 294 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 2: But go find a couple of guys who you can 295 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: bring in here to off the level of competition, that 296 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 2: second tier, that third tier of guys, big bodies who 297 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: can run, and that you can coach them and figure 298 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: out whether they can play or not. Because other than 299 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 2: Antonio Johnson, you don't you don't look like you've got anybody. 300 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: I mean Savage. 301 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: But we know that the big dollar free agent doesn't work, 302 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 2: not long term think. 303 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: So not short term much either. But we'll make it 304 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: happen for my second this or that. Today I'm looking 305 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. We talked about both of these guys already, 306 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: but Mac Jones doesn't Ritter. These are backup quarterbacks in 307 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: this matchup. We're gonna see on Sunday. Which of them 308 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: has a better opportunity at this point, Who do you 309 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: think is making a better case for themselves? Obviously doesn't, 310 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: Ritter hasn't hasn't had as many games as Mac thus far. 311 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: But towards the end of the season. Who's gonna have 312 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: this better chance? Who's gonna take advantage of the opportunity? 313 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 3: Well, I think realistically both, I'm trying to dodge the question. 314 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 3: I think both of them are gonna be back ups. 315 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 3: They're the same guy, and uh, they haven't really shown 316 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: that magic or his azz. I don't know that gms 317 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: are gonna be sitting boy. We've got to have that 318 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: at a starting level salary. As opposed to, you know, 319 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: let's go draft. Are you gonna bring Mac Jones in 320 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: next year if you're the you know, a team in 321 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: the A C West, for example, to say, okay, we're 322 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: gonna start him. I don't think so. I think they're 323 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 3: both gonna be good backup quarterbacks. 324 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Mac has earned the free agent contract. 325 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: I don't think any would argue that he hasn't earned 326 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: the free agent contract. I'd like to see Mac back 327 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: here as a backup, right, I mean a guy who 328 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: can play in his hometown for a number of years. Listen, 329 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: how much should Chase Daniel make the former Saint and 330 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: he was around the league with a couple of different teams, 331 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: the Eagles for a while. He made like forty seven 332 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: million dollars in fourteen years of being a backup quarterback. 333 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: It is a lucrative way to make a living, So 334 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: maybe that would work. I think both of these guys 335 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: are the same guy. It's hard to say who has 336 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: a greater opportunity. I'll go with Mac because he's got 337 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Junior on the field. 338 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: That certainly doesn't hurt. And we'll get to see it 339 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: Labin in person on Sunday, so we'll be able to 340 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: judge a little bit better after that. I imagine, stay 341 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: with us. We'll tell you what's going on the rest 342 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: of the. 343 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: Week for the Jaguars. 344 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: Jags fans, if you want customized Jaguars furniture for your home, 345 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: checkout zipchaer dot com to Browns all the customizable options. 346 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: Zip cher Is furniture for fans. 347 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: Staying right here, y'all be playing We're good brown man 348 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: about right here, y'all didn't get away. It's a ship 349 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: six year. 350 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: Sure he. 351 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: Lay the back flip that led the back up. You 352 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: ain't said. 353 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: I when y'all dam though you walked the. 354 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 3: Way that's the back floor. 355 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: You lie like hell man, You ain't said it. You 356 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: ain't hear it. Hit the bat ain't clean, bigga bad blow. 357 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: How I missed that? Let's Trayvon Walker miked up? Missed 358 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: the back flip. 359 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how because you two feet away from it, 360 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: but apparently didn't see it. And uh thought Josh high 361 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: Down was on too, because Josh does that a lot. 362 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: Super impressive. But was I the only person who was 363 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: thinking about when Buccaneers kicker Martine Gramatica did the same 364 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 2: thing in towards a CEO? Remember that a couple of 365 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: years ago on Monday Night football. 366 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 3: A couple was about twenty three long ago. Yeah, we 367 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 3: do didn't see that long. It was a hike for 368 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 3: guys like you and me. It's not longer. I thought 369 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 3: it was really cool. That was really funny, and yeah, 370 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 3: probably gonna do it every play. I was a little scary. 371 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna make the full rotation, but the one 372 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: got hurt. 373 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: Awesome athlete. 374 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: It was good. 375 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: Three hundred pound backflip is impressive. Coming up this week, obviously, 376 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: we're getting ready to head to the West Coast our 377 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: first West. 378 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 3: Coast game, I think this season. Yes, I don't think 379 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 3: we went last season either. Anytime you could avoid going 380 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 3: to the West Coast, it's a good. 381 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: Deal, probably for the best. 382 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. Is it a bit of track? 383 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: Of course we had the London trip in there, so 384 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: there's always that. What are you guys looking at this week? 385 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: Who are you talking to? 386 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to talk to you Richard and Google the 387 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: tight Ends coach about Brenton Strange. You know, we spent 388 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: so much time on Brian Thomas Junior, and rightfully so. 389 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: I mean, he's the story of the season, but quietly, 390 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: Brenton Strange has carved a roll out for himself bigger 391 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 2: than I think a lot of people thought possible in 392 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: year two, especially after year one was kind of limited. 393 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 2: I think he's got big time potential and I'm excited 394 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: to talk to Richard and Google about him. 395 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's turning into a nice player. I'm hoping to 396 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 3: get Mac Jones. Sometimes the quarterback can be busy during 397 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: the week, so I think it could be fun. We 398 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 3: can talk about Southside Private School Jackson. 399 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 2: Listen, it will be more than fun. I mean, you'll 400 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: just have to sit back and let him do all 401 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: the talking. 402 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 3: He's a good time. 403 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: I'll tell you all his favorite restaurant choices. I'm sure 404 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be talking to the backflipper himself, Fos, I believe, 405 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: and I will find out where all that came from, 406 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: if he's a gymnast or what in the off season. 407 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: But we'll be back again tomorrow on Jagsam. We'll talk 408 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: to you more about that Raiders matchup coming up this weekend.