Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done, Hello and welcome to That's Messed Up, an
Speaker 4: SVU podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. We talk SVU,
Speaker 2: true crime. We catch up sometimes we have guess we're tired.
Speaker 2: Give us a break. We'll get the celebs back soon,
Speaker 2: you know, let them get their houses in order or not.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I brought up the fires, but
Speaker 2: you know they're still probably they're settled, right, the fires
Speaker 2: are done.
Speaker 1: Well, They're not fully out, but they're looking good. I mean,
Speaker 1: kno gonna want people are. People are know, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of great outreach and stuff, and people are
Speaker 1: trying to.
Speaker 3: Hear a lot.
Speaker 2: It looks like a neck pillow for a plane and
Speaker 2: it's bothering me.
Speaker 3: I know, you need to take care of it.
Speaker 1: It's like too tight, but I'm just cold out here
Speaker 1: in my garage.
Speaker 3: Okay, is that better? It is better? It just was
Speaker 3: I was like it just looked too like it was
Speaker 3: strangling me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my mother in law got me for Christmas this
Speaker 1: blanket for travel that can go on your suitcase but
Speaker 1: also can shove into itself and become a little pillow.
Speaker 3: I thought it was kind of good. It's very soft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that everything is dirty and disgusting anyways,
Speaker 2: but I don't like the idea of like wrapping it
Speaker 2: on my suitcase and then putting it on my body.
Speaker 1: But we're also, oh, it just on the suitcase thing,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's on the metal side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like on the metal on the metal Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Nowhere wait, obviously, you know the inauguration.
Speaker 3: I don't want to spend much time on it.
Speaker 2: But I was hanging out with a friend, a fellow friend,
Speaker 2: Jared Freed, and I think he's gonna do I hope
Speaker 2: he does this on stage. But he went minute one,
Speaker 2: ahile Hitler like what are you doing? Like minute one,
Speaker 2: Everyone's like well, and it's like dum screaming from the rooftops.
Speaker 2: I can't even believe it. And people are like, oh,
Speaker 2: come on, it's just the I mean, it's wild to
Speaker 2: be living in this, but just a full Nazi salute
Speaker 2: that's being denied like we see a Nazi salute and
Speaker 2: they're telling us it's not and yeah.
Speaker 3: He's throwing his heart out to the crowd. It's like,
Speaker 3: since when.
Speaker 2: Is that know what that means? It's not what that is?
Speaker 2: Things mean, things like that's the whole point of things.
Speaker 2: That's like they have Nate words famously. Yeah, another thing
Speaker 2: I'd like to rage on and then I will calmm down.
Speaker 2: When on Etsy Luigi merch only two things like impossible,
Speaker 2: shut down, every link shutdown, shutdown. Started looking at other killers.
Speaker 2: You could get ted Bundy stuff, Uni bomber. There's a
Speaker 2: candle that says smells like Dahmer. Smells like Dahmer candle.
Speaker 2: You can get fucking gayyy shit, you can get anything.
Speaker 2: They're shutting Luigi's story down. I'm not crazy. It's not
Speaker 2: just because he's hot, Like I there there is this
Speaker 2: is the case we.
Speaker 1: Have to pay attention to. That is so crazy. No,
Speaker 1: We'll continue following and keeping. They don't like commenting nothing.
Speaker 1: It's like it's really wild. I played trivia last night
Speaker 1: at a gay bar in Losilis, and one of the
Speaker 1: teams was called what happened to the Luigi Mangioni News cycle.
Speaker 1: That was the name of the team, so people are
Speaker 1: trying to keep his name out there, and I also
Speaker 1: wanted to put in not related to Luigi. One of
Speaker 1: the questions at trivia was in the movie Van Helsing,
Speaker 1: Dracula has three wives.
Speaker 3: They are never named.
Speaker 1: Acy's ears perked up. He hear Dracula they are They
Speaker 1: are not named. Dracula's three wives are not named in
Speaker 1: other places, only in this movie. What are the names
Speaker 1: of Dracula's three wives? So I asked Jared today, he
Speaker 1: goes Van Helsing is so bad it's almost unwatchable. I
Speaker 1: cannot believe that they would do a question about Dracula
Speaker 1: that's from that movie. Anyway, the three wives, I don't
Speaker 1: even know what two of them are. I forgot one
Speaker 1: of them is Marishka van Helsting. Whatever the wives is Marishka.
Speaker 1: So I just thought, wow, interesting to bring it to
Speaker 1: the pod. Of course, do not bring it. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: would be wild if you didn't bring it up. And
Speaker 1: one more thing that a listener pointed out that I
Speaker 1: knew you needed to know.
Speaker 3: Last week we talked about Baggage.
Speaker 1: For the episode Baggage, we talked about the reality show
Speaker 1: or the dating show you talked about. Guess who has
Speaker 1: been on it? Jack's and Tom Schwartz. Wow, bless this listener,
Speaker 1: Bless this listener. I thank you. They sent me links. Well,
Speaker 1: but I do have an update and then it's back
Speaker 1: to Luigi. But like, remember I told you and everyone
Speaker 1: about how at Soul Cycle the teacher was like, who
Speaker 1: has a crush?
Speaker 3: Is it real or parasocial?
Speaker 2: So today I had the courage to go talk to
Speaker 2: this teacher and I was like, you know, I've been
Speaker 2: quoting you for weeks. I'm like, you really said something funny.
Speaker 2: And so I told her and then we I go
Speaker 2: read us bitch and she goes, I know it's it
Speaker 2: was mostly for me because I love Luigi Mangioni.
Speaker 3: I go, girl, we're connected. Wow. So then we talked
Speaker 3: for a while. We talked for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I cut to you guys getting a
Speaker 1: drink after soul just.
Speaker 3: Well no, I was telling her.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I was going to go to
Speaker 2: the trial and then come to swifty Saturday class. And
Speaker 2: she goes, I know, but the trial was pushed. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're connected. Nice. I'm like, but if you want to
Speaker 2: go to trial, before your classes.
Speaker 3: We could do that. Yeah, text me. Yeah, that's so good.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that for you guys. I
Speaker 1: want you to have a trial, buddy.
Speaker 2: I watched Someone messaged and said I have to watch
Speaker 2: Escape to Dana mora At Okay, I loved it. I
Speaker 2: watched it in a day and a half. It's the
Speaker 2: best acting I've ever watched in my life. I didn't
Speaker 2: know Ben Stiller had that kind of directing in him,
Speaker 2: Like I need to watch Severance now. I was like
Speaker 2: blown away. And then I started watching all the press videos.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm also an obsessive person, but like it
Speaker 2: really was so impressive. It really like paul I. I
Speaker 2: like to say Dano, but that's not how you say.
Speaker 2: I think it's Dana. Just yeah, I just watched all
Speaker 2: the interviews Dano. Okay, I'm with you. It makes me
Speaker 2: feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: I just ye.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: But him and Benicio del Toro, like they really embody
Speaker 2: these characters in like a wild amperature shartkit is.
Speaker 3: It's insane. It really is.
Speaker 2: Patricia, we want you on the pod if you're hiving.
Speaker 2: I was talking about it NonStop. I can't stop talking
Speaker 2: about it, So I'm bringing it up in every conversation.
Speaker 2: I you know, not, I'm doing spots and I'm talking
Speaker 2: to anyone that will. I'm hanging out with me Brick.
Speaker 2: I'm like, blah blah blah blah blah. They're like, when
Speaker 2: did it come out? I go, oh, like last year
Speaker 2: and I got nominated for a bunch of stuff. They
Speaker 2: look it up, They're like, it's twenty eighteen, you dumb bitch.
Speaker 2: Not talking about it. From a while, They're like, you're
Speaker 2: talking about it like I just cat you are crazy.
Speaker 2: And then every time they would appear, it was me
Speaker 2: talking about it to someone else and they're.
Speaker 3: Like, you need to shut the fuck up. This is
Speaker 3: from twenty eighteen. Like I can't.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, we need to escape from Lisa's escape to Danima.
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I have to look over my notes again.
Speaker 2: But they try to make you sympathetic to one of them,
Speaker 2: and it seems like they didn't commit the crime. They
Speaker 2: were with people that committed the crimes, and you kind
Speaker 2: of feel bad for one of them, and I wonder,
Speaker 2: but we.
Speaker 3: Did feel bad, didn't we? Or did he do it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: There was one that you said was like more charismatic
Speaker 1: and was like the show was like running the show,
Speaker 1: so maybe.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but the charismatic one is an he like
Speaker 2: he's the one that was an alcohol and had to
Speaker 2: get ditched.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh, it really humanized it. But it also made prison
Speaker 2: They shot it for seven months.
Speaker 3: Whoa.
Speaker 2: They shot it in the prisons, like in these towns
Speaker 2: in the winter where it's cold, with prisoner like former
Speaker 2: clons as extras, like you know, for seven months. It
Speaker 2: was just like, was very impressive to watch.
Speaker 3: I liked it. Well, I'm glad. I'm glad you watched it.
Speaker 1: I mean for Ben Stiller, like he really contains multitudes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well he does. He like direct Severance. Yeah, dude, Wow,
Speaker 1: I gotta watch Severance. I'm really behind on Severn. Oh,
Speaker 1: you gotta watch Escape, Dan Mora, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I gotta watch it. I mean, but it's the classic movie.
Speaker 1: They really I mean, looking at these guys, it's like hot.
Speaker 1: It's like you know, yeah, I mean a fucking hot.
Speaker 1: So it is like you're like, damn, this is kind
Speaker 1: of hot. And then you see and then and then
Speaker 1: at the end they do flash the the head not
Speaker 1: the head shots.
Speaker 2: What are the jail opens the mugshots head shots, so
Speaker 2: the mugs. They they flashed the mugshots, and I was reminded,
Speaker 2: you know, they're not as hot because I was like,
Speaker 2: should I be writing letters to this guy too?
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wait, I wanted to tell you about this
Speaker 1: article I read speaking of like discovering something that's old.
Speaker 1: I was like, this article got served to me on
Speaker 1: like Instagram from the cut right, and it's about these
Speaker 1: two kids that were like in seventh or eighth grade,
Speaker 1: and they suddenly were they were dating each other, and
Speaker 1: they suddenly started getting texts harassing them, like both of them,
Speaker 1: like be like, you know, telling the girl the guy
Speaker 1: was cheating, telling the guy he was a piece of shit,
Speaker 1: like whatever.
Speaker 3: Harass, harass, harassed.
Speaker 1: To the point that like by the time they got
Speaker 1: to ninth grade, they broke up because it was like
Speaker 1: it was too much, like it was happening all the time,
Speaker 1: and the parents were like meeting with the school and
Speaker 1: like we got to find out who this is. They
Speaker 1: all think it's this like other girl who's very popular
Speaker 1: who's maybe trying to break them up.
Speaker 3: It's like not her.
Speaker 1: They check her phones, but the person's obviously doing it
Speaker 1: from a burner.
Speaker 3: The way it's written is so good. It's like this
Speaker 3: long mystery.
Speaker 1: Anyway, if you want to read this article fast forward
Speaker 1: whatever two minutes right now, because I'm gonna spoil it,
Speaker 1: it's the fucking girl's mom the whole time. It's the
Speaker 1: girl's mom. She's like trying to a real Debbie mazar
Speaker 1: It Yames. Yeah, but like what like then she was
Speaker 1: obsessed with getting them back together because she wanted them
Speaker 1: to be together, because she wanted her daughter to be popular.
Speaker 1: It was really really crazy. And I'm sitting there going,
Speaker 1: They've got to make this into a movie. Someone's got
Speaker 1: to option this article. Of course I google it. It
Speaker 1: was made into a Lifetime movie. The Mother played by
Speaker 1: Lisa Rinna Whoa.
Speaker 3: We got to watch that. I was like, what the
Speaker 3: hell it's like.
Speaker 1: But it was the way that they wove the story,
Speaker 1: like you really got the idea of how this was
Speaker 1: like psychologically damaging the kids. Like the kids were just
Speaker 1: like everywhere we went, they could the person knew what
Speaker 1: we were wearing. They knew like what we were doing
Speaker 1: in school, Like the mom.
Speaker 3: No one would suspect it's the mom harassing.
Speaker 1: Her kid, right, yeah, the mom was involving her friends
Speaker 1: to like get her sympathy for all the harassment and
Speaker 1: was like, you guys should go check check in on her,
Speaker 1: like she's upset or whatever. And it's just like this
Speaker 1: wild small townshit in I think in Michigan it was happening.
Speaker 1: It was a wild ride. Anyway, I recommend the article.
Speaker 1: I'll send it to Casey. Maybe we can put it
Speaker 1: in the show notes. And it was I just was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe we Renna plays the mom.
Speaker 3: That's kind of perfect.
Speaker 1: Also, I don't want to get there's so much Housewives
Speaker 1: on right now. I don't know if we can fully
Speaker 1: get into a recap. And Casey just gave us the ten.
Speaker 1: But that text game they played in the Salt Lake
Speaker 1: City finale.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're psychotic.
Speaker 2: So for those who haven't heard and living under a rock,
Speaker 2: basically someone was like someone was like, for us to
Speaker 2: be closer together, how about we find the meanest text
Speaker 2: we have talking about someone at this table and then
Speaker 2: we make them read it, and then that's how we're
Speaker 2: gonna all bury the hatchet. And then they all agreed
Speaker 2: to do it, and then they read the meanest texts.
Speaker 2: The one that bron Win read out loud was like
Speaker 2: from Angie, it yeah, insane and she's a psychopath but
Speaker 2: poetic and she's good with words somehow, she's like good
Speaker 2: at a read, like I think because like she grew
Speaker 2: up with like a tough situation.
Speaker 3: With her mom.
Speaker 1: Like I think she got used to like cutting solow
Speaker 1: if anybody like comes for her, you know, like Angie
Speaker 1: goes low.
Speaker 2: But then her and Mary, you know, that was a
Speaker 2: moment moving forward, it was nice, but it's just but
Speaker 2: then Lisa is annoying. It's I hate it. I hate
Speaker 2: the thing of like we're all reading mean things. Everyone's
Speaker 2: putting up with it. I guess yours is the meanest one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now you.
Speaker 2: End the fun and you scream and you need to
Speaker 2: be treated. I really hate Lisa.
Speaker 1: And then she she threw Angie under the bus like
Speaker 1: she she like everyone's like Angie caught strays because it's
Speaker 1: like Angie didn't even do anything to Lisa.
Speaker 3: And then Lisa's like, I heard your husband does circle jerks.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you guys are not interested in real
Speaker 1: housewives as Saltlake City after we talk about it, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to tell you, like literally, can you
Speaker 1: imagine sitting around with your friends and going find the
Speaker 1: meanest text you have in your phone and we're gonna
Speaker 1: read them out. We're going to make each other read
Speaker 1: them about loud, like the subject of the text read
Speaker 1: it out loud, like.
Speaker 3: So brutal, like savage, Like I could not believe.
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean the producers whoever came up
Speaker 1: with the idea, because like you could tell, they weren't
Speaker 1: really scrolling through their phones, like those texts were like
Speaker 1: solid images, you know, like they were ready to be
Speaker 1: read out loud. So that was worked on and executed
Speaker 1: in a insane way.
Speaker 3: I just was like blown away.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for the reunion, Wait for the reunion.
Speaker 2: Mecki Leaper, Leper, Makai Lepper. What's his name? Mechi Leaper? Yeah, cutie.
Speaker 2: So he was just on Watch What Happens Live. I
Speaker 2: just watched it. But I guess one of the below
Speaker 2: deck people loves the milf but he changed it to
Speaker 2: moms that I like to they get nicer. So they
Speaker 2: played a game called like Millie or Not Milly, and
Speaker 2: they had bedazzled gavels and it was just like they
Speaker 2: would just show MILFs of the Bravo Universe, and they
Speaker 2: went nuts for Luanne, but they did not gavel for
Speaker 2: Lisa from Salt Lake, and I was like, yes, I
Speaker 2: actually want to message him right now and be like
Speaker 2: fuck yes, like fuck that bitch. I really don't like her.
Speaker 2: I really hate I don't like the Lisa worship. I
Speaker 2: don't like it. She sucks and.
Speaker 3: The Lisa worship is bad.
Speaker 1: The Lisa worship is to me, side by side with
Speaker 1: the Teresa Judae worship, Like if you're worshiping these two women,
Speaker 1: something's wrong with you. Like it's like it's crazy, like
Speaker 1: Lisa is I don't know that. I guess they're different
Speaker 1: because Teresa's just insanely dumb. Lisa doesn't seem dumb to me,
Speaker 1: but she seems so defensive. It's like I have the
Speaker 1: perfect I've got her.
Speaker 2: She's just not real in any capacity and defensive and
Speaker 2: stuff like, I don't know, it's just not fun for me,
Speaker 2: Like you're now you're screaming and you're running away and
Speaker 2: you ruined everything. There was two more texts and they
Speaker 2: didn't get to have to read anything. They're gonna make
Speaker 2: them do it on the reunion and then Meredith runs away.
Speaker 2: It's just like annoying.
Speaker 1: Meredith doesn't bring enough story to be running away and
Speaker 1: doing stuff like that.
Speaker 3: No, she's just a pill popper. Yeah, yeah, she goes.
Speaker 1: I mean I never take any medication like that and listen,
Speaker 1: let an international flight or something. I'm like, just the
Speaker 1: way you said international flight, you are on a pill.
Speaker 3: But it's also.
Speaker 2: Ali baba, ali baba, ali bababa. But also like Brittany
Speaker 2: just saying I heard you coughing or like puking or something,
Speaker 2: and then she's like, you implied I had an eat
Speaker 2: disorder and it's like, no one actually implied that, but
Speaker 2: now we think it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now you.
Speaker 1: Were throwing up from drinking or something or just from
Speaker 1: being sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wait, I do have some SVU stuff. I
Speaker 2: watched the newest episode Amy Landecker former Guests. She didn't
Speaker 2: let us know she was in an upcoming new episode.
Speaker 2: She's back on SVU and it's the pillocock Case, the
Speaker 2: pilicock case.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I can't even.
Speaker 2: Believe it because when the episode started I was like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is it?
Speaker 3: What is going on?
Speaker 2: And then when it all unraveled, I couldn't believe it,
Speaker 2: but also I was blacked out drunk, I think, and
Speaker 2: so I do have to rewatch it because today I
Speaker 2: did wake up to go to Soul Cycle, and I
Speaker 2: was like, how did I get I was like, what
Speaker 2: did I watch?
Speaker 3: And then I did see a bag.
Speaker 2: Of taco bell and then I felt it, and then
Speaker 2: I was like, what's going on?
Speaker 3: You unraveled the mystery of what happened.
Speaker 1: I didn't see it yet, but I did hear from
Speaker 1: several listeners that there's another Tommy in this episode. We
Speaker 1: need to get to the bottom of the Tommy warship
Speaker 1: on SVU, Like I need to know why. Is there
Speaker 1: some kind of beloved cameraman that everybody loves and they
Speaker 1: just want to name as many characters after him as possible?
Speaker 2: I yeah, there must be something, or do they just
Speaker 2: it's so easy they don't think about it. But it
Speaker 2: must be a running gag. It must be something on purpose,
Speaker 2: like the something's taped it to Dick Wolf.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gotta be Oh.
Speaker 2: I know you probably you already mentioned this, but I
Speaker 2: hadn't paid attention to it even though I was catching
Speaker 2: up on SVU, but seeing Kevin Kane in the credits
Speaker 2: is fun, it's nice, it's exciting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were.
Speaker 1: Manifesting him becoming a guy, and I'm like a regular
Speaker 1: and I'm happy that he did.
Speaker 3: I think he adds a lot. Oh.
Speaker 2: I got to go to a screening of a movie
Speaker 2: that comes out in March.
Speaker 3: So obviously Cool Girl, Cool Girl Plans.
Speaker 2: But it was at the Tribeca Film Center and I'd
Speaker 2: never been there, like where they have, you know, the
Speaker 2: Cool Awards. But it was a movie called Bob Trevino
Speaker 2: likes it, Barbie Ferrara, John Leguizamo, and I cried hard.
Speaker 3: It's one of the best movies I've seen.
Speaker 1: It could called Jean Trevino liked it. Oh, sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Bob Trevino likes it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, okay, that sounds cool.
Speaker 2: I mean it was incredible. When it comes out, I
Speaker 2: gotta see it. Yeah, I think it's like it's an indie.
Speaker 1: It did the fests, but it's like I just was
Speaker 1: so into it. It was really like heartbreaking and a
Speaker 1: good movie and unique and interesting and I love that.
Speaker 2: It's great. That's great and I felt cool. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: that how fifteen people in a room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I like that only fifteen people at the screening.
Speaker 3: Damn is that she only invited? Like fit? Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was just like, I think that's exciting cool while the
Speaker 3: word is out.
Speaker 2: Now the word is out. I cried so much. It
Speaker 2: really is touching and beautiful. And I love John like Ouizamo,
Speaker 2: like I do really love him. And he is the
Speaker 2: titular Bob Trevino. He is Bob Trevino. Oh and French Stewart,
Speaker 2: isn't it Okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 1: Interesting? Okay, great, I'm exed. I'll watch it. I'll watch it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's gonna be popping up when it comes
Speaker 1: out on all my I don't know what streaming or
Speaker 1: maybe theaters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know that much, but I just, you know,
Speaker 2: I gotta gotta let the people know what's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wish I had more things to talk about besides
Speaker 2: the TV and film that I'm well.
Speaker 1: Oh and my one thing we can talk about is
Speaker 1: that today is your Netflix special comes out? Wow?
Speaker 3: Okay, today is the day. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thrilling, thrilling, Please watch it, like watch it, put
Speaker 2: it on today if you can on like watch it
Speaker 2: this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can either search Lisa's name or night Owl
Speaker 1: is what it's called. So get on your Netflix, get
Speaker 1: it watching, put it on on mute even after you've
Speaker 1: watched it, and just let it keep playing.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, it is super exciting. But also.
Speaker 2: Because I'm getting a cake made for tonight, and but
Speaker 2: it's inspired by it was David Tell's birthday and there's
Speaker 2: a baker at the cellar that's incredible. But like the
Speaker 2: baking dish, the clear dish, it made it look like
Speaker 2: an ashtray with like cream of or like cookies and
Speaker 2: cream and then cigarettes made out of pretzels dipped in
Speaker 2: white chocolate, and so it looked like this giant ash tray.
Speaker 2: And I was like, yes, bitch, So I'm hopefully gonna
Speaker 2: have really cool blunt and weed desserts tonight.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that is really fun. I was like,
Speaker 1: I want an ashtray cake like cool, I know. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I love that.
Speaker 2: I need picks please, oh, because I also like the idea,
Speaker 2: because I hate the idea of cutting cake and passing
Speaker 2: out cake and holding a cake, but like if you're
Speaker 2: just picking up a cigarette and frosting, it's like pop.
Speaker 3: Oh you know what.
Speaker 2: I mean like, it's just like easier to get a
Speaker 2: sweet treat and not like have you not have no and.
Speaker 1: A fork and the crumbs. You're just like dip eat.
Speaker 1: I love that. I'm all about less fuss. You know
Speaker 1: that's functional functional sweetness.
Speaker 3: Love it, love it. That's a great idea. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so Lisa's Night Owl on Netflix. If you
Speaker 1: live in or around DC, we are going to be
Speaker 1: there doing That's Messed Up on the twenty third of
Speaker 1: February at the DC Improv. You can get tickets at
Speaker 1: That's Messed Up live dot com. If you've come before,
Speaker 1: we do a different episode. We have different games. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be really fun. Come check it out.
Speaker 2: And yeah, stay strong, stay positive, and don't grab your
Speaker 2: phone right in the morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we usually say this at the end. I guess,
Speaker 1: but if you're listening now and you've never given us
Speaker 1: a review on on Apple or whatever Spotify, go give one.
Speaker 3: Just let people know that you like us. It would
Speaker 3: be helpful for us. I guess.
Speaker 2: We don't ask that much. Dude, I was so blocked out.
Speaker 2: You know, I have the Sorry, I have the screen split. Sorry, guys,
Speaker 2: behind a peek behind the curtain, but it's half zoom,
Speaker 2: half chrome, so I could read my notes, but it's
Speaker 2: on movie grid and I, like I said, was so drunk.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I played. And I'm looking at
Speaker 1: a finished one, going oh wow, wow, I did well, wow,
Speaker 1: pretty good. Well let me see, let's show results. Top
Speaker 1: thirteen percent of players in a black while you while
Speaker 1: you're blacked. I was gonna say, good work. Yeah, not bad,
Speaker 1: not bad at all, not the best, but thirteen top
Speaker 1: thirteen percent.
Speaker 3: All right, But I hope.
Speaker 2: I become so successful that I get to they'll be
Speaker 2: I get to pick a movie grid for the day.
Speaker 1: I want to create a movie Grid presented by Feature
Speaker 1: Yeah special guest movie Grid curator Lisa Trigger. They've got
Speaker 1: to get you. I mean, once you email them off,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll be like, we have to let her
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 3: So she stops.
Speaker 2: I wonder who they are, Like who are these people?
Speaker 2: And are they like this woman is weird? Or like,
Speaker 2: oh she likes what we're doing. Maybe a little bit
Speaker 2: of both. Oh, I'm gonna get a library card and
Speaker 2: I'm so stupid, Like I went, I got my pieces
Speaker 2: of mail skipped onto the library, so excited brought my laptop,
Speaker 2: and it's like, of course it's Mlkday, Like that's when
Speaker 2: I decided to make a pilgrimage.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2: No, but I'm about to be a library girl. I'm
Speaker 2: sick of because then I went to a bar to
Speaker 2: do my work and you get a girl cheese and soup,
Speaker 2: you get one apparall sprits, and then you're thirty seven
Speaker 2: dollars in.
Speaker 1: I can't Yeah, I don't want that. I can't live
Speaker 1: like that. I can't get I mean once in a while.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but it.
Speaker 3: Wasn't that good. It also wasn't that good.
Speaker 1: It was just like but yeah, yeah, no the last
Speaker 1: you're about to be a library girl.
Speaker 3: In wee how I was a library girl. I worked
Speaker 3: there all the time.
Speaker 1: Now when I go to a library, mostly with my children,
Speaker 1: I'm telling them not to scream. But I love that
Speaker 1: for you. Uh, let's get into today's episode. We are
Speaker 1: doing a really really uh you know a thinker. I
Speaker 1: would say, okay, today we are doing thought Criminal Season fifteen,
Speaker 1: episode twenty three. This is I would say, in the
Speaker 1: top ten like sort of moral conundrum episodes where they're
Speaker 1: really trying to get you to think about, like what
Speaker 1: what is the role of the law, you know, in society.
Speaker 1: So a very interesting episode. We open on a girl
Speaker 1: like talking to camera. She's like, my name is Lucky.
Speaker 1: When we pull out, we see it's Brookes. So so
Speaker 1: from Orange is the New Black. The actor's name is
Speaker 1: Camiko Glenn. I looked her up and she is working
Speaker 1: a lot. She does a ton of voiceover. She is
Speaker 1: just like vovovio, so good for her. And she's like
Speaker 1: doing an accent because we know the actress has an
Speaker 1: American accent and she's doing a Thai accent. She goes,
Speaker 1: I'm fourteen, I live in Thailand and I want to
Speaker 1: play with you. So this is not a YouTube channel,
Speaker 1: this is not an unboxing.
Speaker 3: This is bad.
Speaker 1: We immediately least see like just a funny scream that
Speaker 1: has a bunch of pop up windows come up.
Speaker 3: It's like, what is that?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Is that how they're coming up to the NYPD just
Speaker 1: pop up windows everywhere and they're just text messages that
Speaker 1: are popping up. And we're now we're at the precinct
Speaker 1: and it's Finn Tomorrow Rollins Live. They're all monitoring the
Speaker 1: responses of this which are coming in fast and furious
Speaker 1: and they're gross, and I happen to pause it with
Speaker 1: enough time to see a few of them, and some
Speaker 1: of them are just like, oh, I want to play
Speaker 1: with you, or you're so pretty. One says do you
Speaker 1: like to wear your bra? Which I thought, this guy,
Speaker 1: you're not going to be the guy that I don't know.
Speaker 1: She's that You're probably not gonna be the one she
Speaker 1: chooses to meet up with for you to go do sex.
Speaker 3: Tourism or whatever.
Speaker 1: Anyway, this woman is a plant like live Live goes feeder.
Speaker 1: Some more lines and they're waiting for a response to
Speaker 1: pop up in New York City, Uh and Barba's there,
Speaker 1: as well as Lieutenant Declan Murphy aka Rollin's baby daddy
Speaker 1: Uh played by Donald and I honestly don't know where
Speaker 1: we are in time here. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is when they have hooked up or what, but you
Speaker 1: know they're there together on screen. After thirty minutes, there
Speaker 1: are eight hundred responses to this, like you know trap
Speaker 1: that they're setting. Liv is talking to Lucky the girl
Speaker 1: and she's dropped the accent obviously.
Speaker 3: She said this is a dirty job.
Speaker 1: But I like getting these guys, and Barba's looking at
Speaker 1: the map of the responses and he goes heavy in
Speaker 1: Eastern Bloc China and the American South, and Finn goes
Speaker 1: no comment.
Speaker 3: So you know, get they like to get political.
Speaker 1: So so far they've gotten hits in other burrows, but
Speaker 1: they're thirsty for a Manhattan purp and so far only
Speaker 1: one is popped up. And he's got a screen name
Speaker 1: flash and his IP address shows of course he works
Speaker 1: for the city. There is not one civil servant in
Speaker 1: the whole city of New York who's not a PERV
Speaker 1: that is downloading child sex abuse images on this show.
Speaker 1: So they roll up to the cubicle of Gordon mont
Speaker 1: Leaf and it's Kevin from the Office, and wildly, I
Speaker 1: have never known his real name.
Speaker 3: I just looked it up. His name is Brian Baumgartner.
Speaker 3: Did you know that? I feel like I I watched
Speaker 3: The Office, but it's like.
Speaker 1: I know Angela Kinsey, I know the names of the
Speaker 1: other people on the Office.
Speaker 3: He's always just Kevin to me. I've never known his
Speaker 3: real name.
Speaker 1: He was a fucking judge on a last comic standing
Speaker 1: when my husband was on it. Did not ever know
Speaker 1: his real name, like he is my least favorite person
Speaker 1: on the office. Also, like, I watched the Office pretty
Speaker 1: religiously and he always drove me, Like I don't there's
Speaker 1: something about him I don't like.
Speaker 3: So we'll be calling him Kevin from the Office the
Speaker 3: whole time.
Speaker 1: He thinks that they're there for payroll, and then they
Speaker 1: do a big reveal.
Speaker 3: Lucky is with them and.
Speaker 1: She takes off her best baseball gap and she's like
Speaker 1: remember me and does her Lucky voice, and Finn's like,
Speaker 1: how about that stud saved you a trip to Bangkok
Speaker 1: and he obviously looks terrified. He's like fuck, and they
Speaker 1: arrest him, and Amaro goes, let's go Flash, which feels
Speaker 1: like a read because he's very unflash, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's like nothing flash about this guy. So we go
Speaker 1: to the So now we're at the credits and at
Speaker 1: the top of act one, we're in cement room bars
Speaker 1: and Kevin from the Office is giving the old standby
Speaker 1: I was just chatting. We were just talking and they're
Speaker 1: like about sex with a fourteen year old and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: I saw her. She is not fourteen, and they're like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You thought she was fourteen and He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm arrested for what I was thinking, And that is
Speaker 1: a good question, like did he have actual Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, did he have material?
Speaker 3: Did he have plans to meet her? Like who knows?
Speaker 1: Amaro's behind the glass with Murphy and Benson being like,
Speaker 1: let's just lock this guy up, and it's like I
Speaker 1: did think you have to like show them showing up
Speaker 1: to meet someone. It's like the whole premise of to
Speaker 1: catch a predator. It's like you can't just bust them
Speaker 1: based on their IP address. You have to have them
Speaker 1: showing up with the Mike's hard lemonade and the condoms,
Speaker 1: you know, in order to get them. So I do
Speaker 1: think it's a little weird. Tomorrow's like, let's just throw
Speaker 1: him in jail. It's like, I don't know if we're there.
Speaker 2: Well, it's all very interesting and it's going to keep
Speaker 2: going deeper and deeper in this episode.
Speaker 3: But it is like.
Speaker 2: We always talk about this was socking or it's like,
Speaker 2: well when can we arrest someone? Right, and we'll get
Speaker 2: into it with the real crime too, but it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a really.
Speaker 1: They do a good job of really getting you to
Speaker 1: think about the situation, Yes, for sure. So Murphy's explaining,
Speaker 1: he goes, look, this case needs to evolve, like we
Speaker 1: need to use these little guppies to catch the big sharks,
Speaker 1: you know, like this guy will give us somebody bigger, hopefully.
Speaker 1: Amorrow's like grossed out at the idea of cutting deals
Speaker 1: with pedophiles, and he's like giving Murphy a lot of attitude,
Speaker 1: and then he walks out and lives like he's dealing
Speaker 1: with some personal stuff right now, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he hates his wife, and a few episodes ago he
Speaker 1: blindly shot into a hallway and killed an unarmed black teen.
Speaker 1: Like have we ever seen Tomorrow happy one day in
Speaker 1: his life? Like, I don't think we've ever seen a
Speaker 1: happy day from.
Speaker 3: Eve fucking Rollin. Yes, that a mad mood.
Speaker 1: He was still in a badmin still pissy. It's like,
Speaker 1: you're fucking the hottest woman probably on the squad. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: the hottest woman ever, But Laura Nanty's also very gorgeous,
Speaker 1: so you know he's had many hot women.
Speaker 3: He is very hot.
Speaker 1: Back in the room, Rollins is trying to get flashed
Speaker 1: to give up more info, and he's like, ah, these.
Speaker 3: Guys are sickos. Like I don't want to turn on them.
Speaker 3: They'll kill me, they'll come after me.
Speaker 1: And Finn, you know, does the thing we just talked
Speaker 1: about last episode where it's like, yeah, well in prison,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get raped, like you know, like as a pedophile,
Speaker 1: people are not gonna be nice to you in prison.
Speaker 1: And Rollins and Finn report to go back and talk
Speaker 1: to live in Murphy and they're like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't seem like he has much.
Speaker 3: Murphy goes, maybe he just needs a shoulder to cry on. Finn.
Speaker 3: Now cut to.
Speaker 1: Finn throwing Murphy in disguise into the holding cell.
Speaker 3: This guy fucking loves going undercover.
Speaker 1: I feel like Murphy is like, oh, do you guys
Speaker 1: need something that any uniformed crop could do.
Speaker 3: I'll do it. I'll be there.
Speaker 1: Like remember when he's in like the cablenit Irish fisherman sweater,
Speaker 1: like soliciting sex workers, trying to get Ellie Porter.
Speaker 3: I think like.
Speaker 1: He's he's all over the place, uh, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to be undercover.
Speaker 3: So he's in there.
Speaker 1: With like they greased his hair up. He's wearing literally
Speaker 1: like child molestered glasses. Finn shoves him into the holding cell,
Speaker 1: calling him Chomo loudly and being like, you two will
Speaker 1: get along. So he tells Kevin from the office that
Speaker 1: he got tricked by a girl named Lucky.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, and this guy he's like, he's trying to
Speaker 2: win an Emmy, the Emmy of the Squad, Like he
Speaker 2: is so committed to this performance.
Speaker 1: Yes, like it's it's so funny. He's wearing molester glasses,
Speaker 1: his hair is greasy, he's so method.
Speaker 3: I am like, I went, I went.
Speaker 1: He went home after this idea and like practice right,
Speaker 1: He's like, let me call my coach.
Speaker 3: He got on. He got on a zoom with his
Speaker 3: acting coach. Definitely. I mean he's crying. He's so hot.
Speaker 1: Why won't you do have we asked him? We got
Speaker 1: to get him on the pod. We should try to
Speaker 1: get him on. I watched Grounded for Life. I mean
Speaker 1: he's also in Sons of Anarchy, which you know I'm
Speaker 1: a huge fan.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I don't know that. Well I didn't know
Speaker 3: he was in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I didn't know about Grounded for Life? Is
Speaker 1: that a sickcom He was.
Speaker 2: In yeah, it was kind of like married with like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they were poor, maybe a little roseanny. I think it
Speaker 2: was not a fox, but yeah, grounded for life and
Speaker 2: there was a redheaded daughter.
Speaker 3: We gotta get him, let's put him on the list.
Speaker 1: But you know, the actor donal Logue is great and
Speaker 1: also Declan Murphy is a great actor.
Speaker 3: He's crying, he's going.
Speaker 1: My life is over because he goes, I can't go
Speaker 1: back to prison.
Speaker 3: You don't know what they do to us there.
Speaker 1: And then the grand finale he pisses himself and it's
Speaker 1: not like later he goes, yeah, I just had like
Speaker 1: a bag of water in my pocket. Nope, they don't
Speaker 1: ever bring it up that he just fucking pissed himself
Speaker 1: for real. And Kevin from the office is like, dog,
Speaker 1: you can't piss in here, and he's trying to get cops.
Speaker 3: To help him. No one will even look at him.
Speaker 1: So they've just locked him in a cage with a
Speaker 1: fucking lieutenant with a passion for acting and his piss
Speaker 1: and they're trying to get him to give up more info.
Speaker 3: I mean, that is what undercover cops are.
Speaker 2: It's like men that wanted to do theater their parents
Speaker 2: didn't let them, and now they're doing a hardcore undercover
Speaker 2: method acting.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah too at some and sometimes it's just to
Speaker 1: save exotic animals. So cut to tomorrow, he's with Maria
Speaker 1: and Zara. They're walking in the park. Zara wants ice
Speaker 1: cream and Maria a fun killer, goes you can get
Speaker 1: a lemon ice small like you're like, wow, okay, policings.
Speaker 3: Already weird, I know, and then Zara.
Speaker 1: Scurries off to let the unhappy couple chat and Maria's like, listen,
Speaker 1: I got a job offer in La. It's more than
Speaker 1: both of us make. And Nick is like, you're gonna
Speaker 1: take Zara away from me? And she's like no, I
Speaker 1: mean I was thinking maybe you could come too, Like
Speaker 1: you're very chill, laid back by would be a great
Speaker 1: match for California. And she's like, I see what this
Speaker 1: job is doing to you, like it's killing you. I
Speaker 1: think you could get a fresh start, like lots of
Speaker 1: options out there for detectives. And he's like, are you
Speaker 1: asking me to move with you? And it's like you
Speaker 1: do not like each other? Why why does this keep happening?
Speaker 1: Like you guys hate each other? And then she's like
Speaker 1: let's just take it one step at a time. And
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, let me think about it, and
Speaker 1: then it like he's like, I gotta get back to work.
Speaker 1: So back at the office, they're showing Barbara the mini
Speaker 1: tablet that they've gotten from Kevin from the office, and
Speaker 1: it's like a travel guide to the dark Net. He
Speaker 1: gave it up in exchange for help, he claims. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm just a voyeur. But there's guys on there that
Speaker 1: go a lot further. And this is kind of where
Speaker 1: I don't really buy it. I don't really buy that
Speaker 1: on the dark net, on the Internet, there are like
Speaker 1: regular like sort of hobbyist pedophiles hanging out with like
Speaker 1: people that are dark want to buy like organs, want
Speaker 1: to like murder. Like I just don't think you wander
Speaker 1: into those chat rooms, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: think it's like you go where you are comfortable with
Speaker 1: the content that's happening on the dark Web. I don't
Speaker 1: really think it's like I just wanted to like talk
Speaker 1: to a fourteen year old girl about her bra and
Speaker 1: then you're like suddenly these guys are saying they want
Speaker 1: to kill people, you know, Like I just don't get
Speaker 1: to think that that's someone can feel free to write
Speaker 1: in if you're expert at the dark Web and let
Speaker 1: me know. But it doesn't feel like it's like AOL
Speaker 1: chat rooms where you can just like ding dong and
Speaker 1: go into a different one. So he pointed them to
Speaker 1: this guy who goes by the screen name Erastes, and
Speaker 1: Barbara reads a post of his out loud, which is disturbing.
Speaker 1: It's about him torturing and murdering a boy that he's
Speaker 1: watching on a school playground, and Barba's like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: this is horrifying, but it's online. It's fantasy. Like, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of horrifying shit on the Internet. And Murphy's like, look,
Speaker 1: we're giving you a heads up. We're not asking for
Speaker 1: your blessing. And it's like wow, he's hungry for more
Speaker 1: undercover work, so he's like, one more undercover meet. If
Speaker 1: it's a fantasy, we walk away. If not live, asks Barba,
Speaker 1: do you want to be the one who fucked this up?
Speaker 1: So now Rollins and Murphy are dulled up play in
Speaker 1: house undercover as an art collecting couple. They've got Rollin's
Speaker 1: hair all teased up with some height she's in an
Speaker 1: all white outfit and they're at this gallery checking out
Speaker 1: photography okay, and it's you know, you can sort of
Speaker 1: see that it's of young people, but you can't really
Speaker 1: tell anything yet. A woman approaches them and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite piece as well. And they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: are you a collector and she's like no. The photographer
Speaker 1: Simon Wilkes is my husband. Murphy immediately's like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of Can I meet him? She's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's over there. And the actor playing Simon Wilkes is
Speaker 1: Josh Molina, and he is huge star of West Wing
Speaker 1: and Scandal fame like, he's a regular on both those shows.
Speaker 3: Those are both shows I've never watched.
Speaker 1: But I think if you've watched Scandal or West Wing,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yes, know this guy very well. He
Speaker 1: must have a lot of nice properties because he's got
Speaker 1: like hundreds of regular credits on his IMDb. Murphy leaves
Speaker 1: Rollins to spend their imaginary money on art, and he's like,
Speaker 1: just get a price, babe, and then he introduces himself
Speaker 1: to Simon as Howard Jeffries and he immediately starts like
Speaker 1: drooling over an adolescent boy in a photo and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: flash wasn't wrong, and Simon's like wait what, and he's like,
Speaker 1: he said, you might have some edgier work that would
Speaker 1: appeal to me, like studies of a schoolyard. I think
Speaker 1: that's like the name of the little poem that he
Speaker 1: put on his.
Speaker 2: H But it's also easy, like if you're a peed
Speaker 2: of like this is so I would if someone, I'd
Speaker 2: be like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Buy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Bye, yeah, it' kind of any money he's rich, Like
Speaker 2: what yeah, why would you risk every But I get like,
Speaker 2: risk it all for your crimes, but to just loosely
Speaker 2: just chat with any old guy at your art gallery
Speaker 2: who could easily be a cop. I mean it's not
Speaker 2: like he's the not cosucking who believes that anyone is
Speaker 2: into this art like it is family photos. And then
Speaker 2: they show his wedding photo like that he's a wedding photographer.
Speaker 2: Like the two don't meet, Like if you're in a
Speaker 2: gallery selling art, you are not doing wedding photography.
Speaker 3: And bar Metzvah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: It's just all like they it's just the art is weird.
Speaker 2: It's just kids on a beat. It's just it's weird.
Speaker 2: It's weird, yeah.
Speaker 1: It is, And it is like I get that they
Speaker 1: have to do for this show, but it's like, if
Speaker 1: this was real, you would they would just be If
Speaker 1: this was in real life, they would just be following
Speaker 1: this guy online for months trying to get him to
Speaker 1: do something great or say something, rather than going to
Speaker 1: his place of business and being like, hint, hint, I
Speaker 1: also love teen boys, you know, but alas this is television,
Speaker 1: Simon picks up what he's putting down. Murphy's like, let's
Speaker 1: set a meet. He takes the bait. They agree to
Speaker 1: meet at a bar in an hour near a public school. Okay,
Speaker 1: so at the bar now Murphy is working this guy.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I met Flash online. He told me
Speaker 1: about the Schoolyard series. And it's like, again, why are
Speaker 1: Flash and Erastes even chilling if Slash is sewn not
Speaker 1: into this kind of shit. So Simon talks about how,
Speaker 1: you know, the ancient Greek celebrated the beauty of the
Speaker 1: young male body, unshaven and unspoiled, and Murphy's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's more than just appreciation for us guys, right,
Speaker 1: And Simon's like, well, for me, it's fantasy, and Murphy goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: but what if it wasn't. And they moved to a
Speaker 1: more discreete table, like they're at the bar. We can't
Speaker 1: have the bartender hearing us. They moved just to a
Speaker 1: table five feet away, and Murphy's like, look, i gotta
Speaker 1: tell you I'm loaded and I've got the money to
Speaker 1: make whatever you want happen. And Murphy's like, we should
Speaker 1: both turn off our cell phones as a side of trust.
Speaker 1: So then they're like, where were we. Oh, yes, we
Speaker 1: were talking about money and young boys, and Simon's like,
Speaker 1: and not just sex with them, right, like you with me.
Speaker 1: And he's holding like a small knife in his hands
Speaker 1: suddenly that he's just like using, He's just touching with
Speaker 1: his fingers, like it's weird.
Speaker 3: And then Simon goes, this is about commitment. Are you
Speaker 3: willing to commit? And you know?
Speaker 1: So now they're playing the tape for Barbara and Barba's like, dude,
Speaker 1: this is very close to entrapman, Like you're the one
Speaker 1: who brought up getting a boy, and Murphy's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's the one who brought up getting the boy
Speaker 1: for more than sex.
Speaker 3: So they've checked on, they've talked to the wife. The
Speaker 3: wife loves his ass.
Speaker 1: Fin's like she's a sick oh too, this guy has
Speaker 1: no record, and Barba's like, look, we can't indict people
Speaker 1: for imagining things, like show me something substantial and we'll
Speaker 1: have a different combo. But and Murphy's like, lawyers think
Speaker 1: too much. I'm going to get this guy like he's fucked,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna find him. So he tells the gang
Speaker 1: go back to Gordon aka Kevin from the office. So
Speaker 1: now I didn't realize this, but Kevin from the Office
Speaker 1: is at Rikers.
Speaker 3: What the charges I'm unclear.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the charge is talking to somebody, yes,
Speaker 1: soliciting a miner online, I don't know. So he's at Rikers.
Speaker 1: He wants to He's like begging them, like get me
Speaker 1: in to solitary. Like he is wearing his orange jumpsuit
Speaker 1: and he does not enjoy prison life. Finn and Omarro
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, yeah, we'll help you, but we need
Speaker 1: some more info on your boy. Erastes like did he
Speaker 1: ever talk about hurting boys? And Kevin's like, I just
Speaker 1: like to watch. I am not into this shit. I
Speaker 1: don't fuck with that. And he's like a few months back,
Speaker 1: there was this live stream from Estonia and he and
Speaker 1: it's like, were you on the live stream to Estonia?
Speaker 3: You paid to be on that?
Speaker 1: Like, you don't just stumble on a live stream from Estonia.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't get me in. And he's probably lying,
Speaker 1: but still it's like he says he kept sending messages
Speaker 1: to the Master asking him to hurt the boy, make
Speaker 1: him bleed, and Kevin's like, so I turned it off
Speaker 1: because I don't.
Speaker 3: Even know how I got there.
Speaker 1: And later he says Erastes Bragg that he'd watched the
Speaker 1: boy die on this live stream. So then Erasi said
Speaker 1: to Kevin, we would find we should find a boy
Speaker 1: that nobody would miss. Again, Erasti's is just like, hi, flash,
Speaker 1: my best friend that's not into anything I'm into. Here's
Speaker 1: everything I'm thinking in my mind, Like what do you think?
Speaker 1: And Kevin's just like, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: And then they just keep being friends online. I don't
Speaker 1: get it. Well, they're probably starves for connection, you know, right,
Speaker 1: Really he can't wait to talk to someone about a
Speaker 1: pedophile I know, Diya rasses could find plenty of other
Speaker 1: people in the dark web who want to hurt people,
Speaker 1: like or watch a kid like bleed or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's so it's also gross, but so we should
Speaker 1: find a boy no one will miss done done that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, that to them is like signaling that.
Speaker 3: He's ready to act. So back at the.
Speaker 1: Squad, they're filling in the rest of the gang in
Speaker 1: about damage groups, which are online groups where people take
Speaker 1: live requests to torture young kids.
Speaker 3: I googled this term and it's the only.
Speaker 1: Thing it is is about dungeons and dragons, So I'm
Speaker 1: praying it's not a real thing, and if it is,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's called damage groups anyway, Finn says,
Speaker 1: the kids with the dark skin in these damage groups
Speaker 1: get it worse because the bruises don't show, which is
Speaker 1: so sick. They're like, we gave all the info to Interpol,
Speaker 1: and Murphy's like, it's not gonna fucking do anything, like
Speaker 1: go let's go back to Gordon's accounts. So then Murphy
Speaker 1: asks Finn, why don't you hang back? The gang all
Speaker 1: takes off, including live to like go work on more,
Speaker 1: checking out more of Gordon, this guy who apparently does
Speaker 1: barely anything, and Murphy's like, hang back, Finn, and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh man, this shit is so horrific.
Speaker 3: How long have you been dealing with this?
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, I've been on the show since
Speaker 1: season two, so fourteen years before that, I was in
Speaker 1: narcotics for eight years. And he goes and that was worse.
Speaker 1: He's like, there's so much corruption in the drug world.
Speaker 1: In SVU, it's black and white. You touch women, your kids,
Speaker 1: your garbage. And Finn's like, I want this Simon Wilks
Speaker 1: guy in a cage, And Murphy's like, how about tonight,
Speaker 1: And Finn's like, name the time and place. So these
Speaker 1: two are gonna go rogue. I guess outside they're leaving
Speaker 1: the precinct. Rolins bounces to hit up a gambler's anonymous meeting,
Speaker 1: and Live finally has a chance to talk to Tomorrow
Speaker 1: about his miserable life and he tells her about the
Speaker 1: job offer and Maria suggesting that he goes with and
Speaker 1: Live is like, are you thinking of going? And he's like,
Speaker 1: my life is here, Like I don't want to fight her,
Speaker 1: but she's not taking my kid away from me. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's not forget his mother is in New York, his
Speaker 1: newly found son is in New York, and so he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not letting her take Zara. And then Live looks torn,
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because the look on Liv's face brought
Speaker 1: me back to a place that I was in in
Speaker 1: two thousand and like fourteen or fifteen, when I was
Speaker 1: watching these episodes Live, I really thought her and Tomorrow
Speaker 1: had a thing. I thought they were going to get together,
Speaker 1: and they honestly aren't. They aren't, And I think part
Speaker 1: of me was just like her and Stabler, Her and Stablers.
Speaker 1: So whoever fills the stable role, it's going to be
Speaker 1: like another romance. And I just like plugged him into that.
Speaker 1: And like, Liv looks torn in this photo, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: she's sad because she's in love with him, but I
Speaker 1: think she probably just doesn't want to lose her partner,
Speaker 1: lose a good detective, lose a friend. But in my mind,
Speaker 1: I thought she was horny for him, and maybe she was,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's now that I'm watching back twelve,
Speaker 1: now that I've seen every episode twelve times, I don't
Speaker 1: get that feeling.
Speaker 2: As much, no, but also like, yeah, I'm sure of
Speaker 2: like everyone wants to fuck Amorrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes, It's not like he's some weird, quirky choice,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: It's just like that's.
Speaker 1: A man and were and he's simply damaged, which is
Speaker 1: what Live has chosen to get. A violent man with damage, yes,
Speaker 1: who cannot control himself or his badge and his gun.
Speaker 3: Oh lie, and break the I mean, god damn it.
Speaker 1: I'm like so pissed for Live right now, Like, I yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know why she can't just date somebody who
Speaker 1: with generational wealth anyway. So suddenly we've got Simon, Wilks
Speaker 1: and Murphy undercover meeting with an also undercover Finn, who's
Speaker 1: offering them anything they need, drugs, women, anything but guns.
Speaker 1: Seems like a weird boundary, that's what That's what he's saying.
Speaker 1: Murphy says, how about boys, and Simon's like, yeah, like
Speaker 1: younger than teens, Like yeah, just so you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want like a fourteen year old. I don't want
Speaker 1: like an old, grosspost pubescent teen. I want younger, and
Speaker 1: Finn just chuckles and goes, no grass on the infield.
Speaker 3: Ugh uh.
Speaker 1: And then Wilkes straight up goes someone no one will
Speaker 1: come looking for. So Finn undercover obviously is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: El Salvador, Mexico. It's doable, but it's gonna be forty
Speaker 1: k all in and Murphy's like, well, we need to
Speaker 1: see the kid first, and then Simon's like, no way, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: I don't have that kind of cash. And it's like,
Speaker 1: first of all, I thought you were a big photographer
Speaker 1: with like an art gallery, and like you have this
Speaker 1: you know whatever.
Speaker 3: I thought you were this big photographer.
Speaker 1: Second of all, this guy Murphy hears telling you he's
Speaker 1: going to bankroll the whole thing. Just get the kid
Speaker 1: if that's what you want, and he's like undercover Finn
Speaker 1: is like I'm out of here. This guy's got no
Speaker 1: skin in the game. And then Simon goes, no, I
Speaker 1: can do better. I've got a soundproof hitten.
Speaker 3: No way is this better. In no way is this better.
Speaker 3: In no way is better. This opens you up to
Speaker 3: so much more of a chance of getting caught.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy, like you would think that in the
Speaker 1: steps of acceleration of an absolute psychopath like this guy is,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh great, I'm gonna let this rich guy,
Speaker 1: buy me a kid and then I'll kill it and
Speaker 1: will be good, you know. And then he's like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I want to do like the Tyson versus Paul of
Speaker 1: murdering children, Like what are you talking about? So he's like,
Speaker 1: he goes, I have a soundproof hidden venue, and Finn's like,
Speaker 1: and what does that do for me?
Speaker 3: And he goes live stream it. People will pay.
Speaker 1: So now suddenly we're gonna be live streaming the murder
Speaker 1: of this kid that we haven't even procured yet. So
Speaker 1: now they're at Simon's photography studio and Finn.
Speaker 2: Is looking why would he get into this, like like
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Well, it's crazy crazy. Suddenly you're streaming like there's no way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: someone in a criminal enterprise would add that to it.
Speaker 1: I mean because the guns where you're like, why does
Speaker 1: it matter? It's like, I bet it's time. I bet
Speaker 1: it's prison time.
Speaker 2: I bet like guns are just, unfortunately that's true, worse
Speaker 2: than women are trafficking or trafficking or drugs. I guess,
Speaker 2: like guns might just have a heavier sentence or not
Speaker 2: be worth it, or fingerprints maybe, like that's.
Speaker 1: Scandal that we covered for sure, there's all kind they're
Speaker 1: always after guns.
Speaker 2: No, sometimes I say things out and about and yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah in terms of the darkness and the depth that
Speaker 2: we go into certain things is like insane. But sometimes
Speaker 2: I do feel like I don't actually know these things,
Speaker 2: like I've never been to law school, but I will
Speaker 2: act like I have. Like when I'm out and about,
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is my profession actually, and it's like
Speaker 2: I retain no information.
Speaker 1: But I know stands for Universe University, so that is
Speaker 1: where we went, both of us. We were maledictorians. And
Speaker 1: that's just that. If you want to show me some law,
Speaker 1: you can show me as many law briefs as you want.
Speaker 1: We've already said we don't understand them, we can't read them.
Speaker 2: Now I am gonna read the Luigi FBI. Yes, like
Speaker 2: that is the all I have for myself, and I
Speaker 2: want to do that. Yeah, because it seemed like a
Speaker 2: woman that I found a video was just like all
Speaker 2: this stuff doesn't make sense, so I want to get
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love experts.
Speaker 1: I'm more likely to watch a video of like a
Speaker 1: long YouTube of someone explaining it to me because I
Speaker 1: don't feel like it.
Speaker 3: But we don't know where.
Speaker 1: These people are. That's what I realize. I'm listening to
Speaker 1: these people and I'm like, who are you? You could yeah,
Speaker 1: you can be a hoarder, you could hit your kids.
Speaker 3: I don't know you.
Speaker 2: I know you are bad, like maybe you're a bitch,
Speaker 2: cheer mother in law, Like I don't fucking know who
Speaker 2: you are, but you are telling people how to raise
Speaker 2: their family, and people are listening like this is the
Speaker 2: Jenny McCarthy, Like everyone on her phone is a Jenny
Speaker 2: McCarthy spewing their shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they don't have anything, none of us. Like
Speaker 1: it's a mess.
Speaker 2: It's a mess I've been because now the check book,
Speaker 2: the check mark doesn't matter anymore either.
Speaker 3: I can buy that too.
Speaker 2: So it's like there's also it's not like, oh this
Speaker 2: is a professor. It's like I'm sure he raped a student,
Speaker 2: Like I.
Speaker 1: Just stop buy it. It's I've been seeing so much
Speaker 1: of that, especially with health stuff like you can't eat,
Speaker 1: you can't eat this die.
Speaker 3: This die is banned in Europe.
Speaker 1: And then it's like they're like, I'm a nutritionist, and
Speaker 1: then another nutritionist who I trust more is like that's
Speaker 1: all lies, Like here's the examples and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know which one of you to believe. So it's crazy. No,
Speaker 1: someone will be like that, dumb bitch.
Speaker 2: And I'm a real there's some plastic surgeons I follow,
Speaker 2: but like there's before and aff like they they look legit,
Speaker 2: like the plastic surgeons. I see the incisions, like I'm in.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't be able to get those photos without being
Speaker 2: I don't know, we're.
Speaker 1: Not who fucks. So I really want to read this
Speaker 1: fb I report. But yeah, the U for US views University.
Speaker 3: We gotta get it. We gotta get Okay, maybe I'll
Speaker 3: attempt the report as well. We'll see. But now we
Speaker 3: do enough. We do enough.
Speaker 2: But I'm pissed about the Washington Post because it was
Speaker 2: a good source.
Speaker 3: But I'm not renewing. I'm not renewing.
Speaker 1: No, they are going down there fucking that. Shit's crazy,
Speaker 1: but it all is fair. It's all like fuck, there's
Speaker 1: no trust in the media. There's no trust in the media.
Speaker 1: But that's what they wanted to do. They like, it's
Speaker 1: just like it's great, Okay, go back to go back
Speaker 1: to this fun episode about murdering little boys in a
Speaker 1: torture room. I don't want to think about the realities
Speaker 1: of our leadership. Get this deal a little lighter than
Speaker 1: the you know, dissolution of our country's media and journalism
Speaker 1: is what's happening at Simon's photography studio, and it is,
Speaker 1: but also this like this like torture Chamber is millions
Speaker 1: for sure, and your wife looks like a dumb bitch.
Speaker 2: Your wife is zannied out. She's like a dumb bitch.
Speaker 2: She'll do whatever you say.
Speaker 3: For some reason.
Speaker 2: This woman is wrapped around this little beady man for sure.
Speaker 2: So this isn't a hot dude or charming or cool.
Speaker 2: And the art's bad, Like it's really a mystery. It's
Speaker 2: hard to it's hard to understand. But we find out
Speaker 2: later that it's not the first woman that's falling for it. Okay,
Speaker 2: so we're at Simon's photography studio. Finn's looking at the
Speaker 2: pictures on the wall and he goes, not my style,
Speaker 2: and then Simon goes very Samantha Jones, yes, And then
Speaker 2: Simon goes his wife likes him.
Speaker 3: She bought a couple.
Speaker 1: And I just love the idea that the NYPD has,
Speaker 1: Like what an art budget for people that are going undercover?
Speaker 1: Like they love physically bought some of the art as
Speaker 1: a fake couple in their sting, Like.
Speaker 2: That's where the five point eight billion dollar budgets going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for their acting passions.
Speaker 1: Yes, they roins, probably Rolin's probably wearing designer. I mean
Speaker 1: they're like, take the tags off, girl. This is all
Speaker 1: going on the NYPD.
Speaker 3: No, every whenever they.
Speaker 2: Go undercover, it is it is like, you do need
Speaker 2: to have an ID, you do need to have framed
Speaker 2: photos like you do, or your person can die. So
Speaker 2: like I do understand that, and I am curious at
Speaker 2: the reality.
Speaker 1: Of that for sure, But I bet they could have said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take these two. I'll call my assistant to
Speaker 1: set it up. You don't actually have to like buy
Speaker 1: the artwork of this guy that you're like fucking stinging.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's just so funny to me. So they take he
Speaker 1: takes them back to this like room. He moves like
Speaker 1: a shelf unit out of the way to a secret
Speaker 1: entryway and he goes, I've soundproofed everything. No one can
Speaker 1: hear the screams, and then he holds up a little
Speaker 1: kid's PJ top and like wiggles it. When he says no,
Speaker 1: one can hear the screams, and it's just a very
Speaker 1: disturbing touch by the props department that he just that's
Speaker 1: not in the room, that's outside of the room, just
Speaker 1: a little pair of little boys JS.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't love that. So in the secret room,
Speaker 3: it's I disagree.
Speaker 1: You're like, you're like, actually throws a great touch. I
Speaker 1: mean it is a good touch for absolutely creeping me out,
Speaker 1: you know. Like so in the secret room, it's a
Speaker 1: full nightmare. It's state of the art surgical equipment. It
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me there's a room like this and
Speaker 1: the girl with the dragon tattoo. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've seen that, but like the guy has a room
Speaker 1: like this where it's like bright fluorescent lights, surgical tables, saws,
Speaker 1: drains in the floor for blood. Like this is a
Speaker 1: torture chamber, like of the highest regals of your night
Speaker 1: nurse of your nightmare.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know what's like turning on torture devices
Speaker 2: and it is like it's it reminds me of the
Speaker 2: Erica Christiansen as he's just gonna ask you sat scary.
Speaker 2: It's scary. I don't want to be tortured in someone's
Speaker 2: torture chamber. It haunts me. It is a big fear,
Speaker 2: and I think about it all the time. But I
Speaker 2: don't know if I've mentioned this on this podcast, but
Speaker 2: like me, and I'm sure I haven't repeat things all
Speaker 2: the time. But like me and a group, this was
Speaker 2: a long time ago, in my twenties, I guess that's
Speaker 2: not that long ago. Listen, we all did DMT, me
Speaker 2: and my group of friends, and we all took turns,
Speaker 2: and we each went one at a time, and all
Speaker 2: of us have, like, you know, a good time. And
Speaker 2: my one friend he is stressed and he's he starts
Speaker 2: smoking cigarettes and his baths about the window, right like
Speaker 2: he's like stressed out, but he doesn't want to fuck
Speaker 2: with our highs, so like we don't actually know what's
Speaker 2: going on. And then after we all get a turn
Speaker 2: and have our time, he goes.
Speaker 3: That was the worst thing of my life.
Speaker 1: I felt like I was being like strapped to gurney
Speaker 1: being tortured, and there was nothing I could do about it.
Speaker 3: WHOA, I know who you're talking about, because you've told
Speaker 3: me this.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've said it on the podcast,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it is oh so scary.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I think when we talk about
Speaker 3: some of these crimes.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I truly like if I hit my
Speaker 2: thigh on any corner at my house, I'm like, oh.
Speaker 3: I know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I know. I would like if I was in a
Speaker 1: d like, you're gonna have to just do this quick.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to I can't. That's the whole point.
Speaker 1: I think I have to act like I like it.
Speaker 1: That's like all I could do. I think I'd have
Speaker 1: to act like I like it, I know, but then
Speaker 1: I would get worse, Like I don't know what I would.
Speaker 1: I would just like, yeah, I'm trying to decide, like
Speaker 1: what's freakier. Like the signature one is so freaky, but
Speaker 1: it's like in the woods, and they make it extremely
Speaker 1: dirty and like nasty. It's like, no, it wasn't in
Speaker 1: the woods.
Speaker 2: The crime scene was in the woods, but the torture
Speaker 2: chamber was in like storage boxes.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, in story it was in a storage unit place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was dirty and gross, right.
Speaker 3: And like I don't remember that. This one is like
Speaker 3: so clinical and procedural.
Speaker 1: It's like they're equally freaky in different ways to me,
Speaker 1: but anyway, torture rooms obviously not a top not a
Speaker 1: great thing.
Speaker 2: No, And then the only thing worse I can think
Speaker 2: of is that submarine case, like being about like being
Speaker 2: tortured in a submarine. You know, there's no way out, Like,
Speaker 2: I just can't believe people go through this.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to wrap your brain around it.
Speaker 3: It's so horrific, and we don't like deal with the
Speaker 3: root issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and actually which is men, yes, yes, well,
Speaker 1: And a couple of weeks ago, I mentioned this movie
Speaker 1: Red Rooms that I watched over the holiday break, and
Speaker 1: this is very similar to what happens in that movie.
Speaker 1: It's like the serial killer tortures people online for a
Speaker 1: live stream and you don't see any of it, you
Speaker 1: just hear it, and the sound design is terrifying. So
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, there's obviously people are making media
Speaker 1: about this kind of thing. It's obviously something people fucking
Speaker 1: think about. But it's so gross. And this guy Simon
Speaker 1: is looking so horny in this torture room and he goes,
Speaker 1: the boys I bring in here are henceforth never the same.
Speaker 1: Then he picks up a bone saw and he goes
Speaker 1: you want skin in the game. Let's peel it off
Speaker 1: that boy as a reference to what Finn said earlier,
Speaker 1: and he starts buzzing the saw and it's really just
Speaker 1: like so scary, like it's it's terrifying. So top of
Speaker 1: act three, the cops have He did not get very far.
Speaker 1: The cops are in the court torture room. They're searching it.
Speaker 1: They're going through every inch. Again, I would have said, great,
Speaker 1: let's go through with this, let's get this, let's find
Speaker 1: a boy, or let's find let's let's like lure him
Speaker 1: more so that we can actually get him. Right, they
Speaker 1: bring him. They figure they've got him because they found
Speaker 1: this torture room. The cops are searching every inch. Barba's there.
Speaker 1: There is a window that looks onto a playground, just
Speaker 1: like what he talked about in his creepy poem about
Speaker 1: torturing kids. Rollins is kind of incredulous that any crime
Speaker 1: has been committed there. She's like it's pristine, Like, what
Speaker 1: do you think he does with the bodies? Like once
Speaker 1: he gets them here, and Murphy's like check the drains
Speaker 1: for chemicals, a bone fragment, any physical evidence. And then
Speaker 1: Finn rolls up with these photos that he found in
Speaker 1: a wall, and they don't show them to us, but
Speaker 1: they're clearly nasty. And now in cement room, bars Live
Speaker 1: and Rowlands are with us Simon and he's insisting this
Speaker 1: is all fantasy, nothing happened, and Lives like, well, we
Speaker 1: found the photos of you torturing boys in that room
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh no, those are photoshopped. He also
Speaker 1: claims that the whole deal to buy a boy who
Speaker 1: no one would miss was a game. He's like, I
Speaker 1: thought we all thought that was a game. And Rollins
Speaker 1: is trying to play good cop. And because Benson is
Speaker 1: going in like really hard and again, this is her
Speaker 1: William Lewis season.
Speaker 3: We got to give her some slack too, I know.
Speaker 2: But they're all so rude about bringing it up, like
Speaker 2: not to bring up the Beverly Hills Housewives, but it's
Speaker 2: like you're weaponizing her experience every time. I mean, you'll
Speaker 2: get to it, but they always are like, are you
Speaker 2: sure your head's in the game. Are you thinking about
Speaker 2: the time you were tortured and kidnapped?
Speaker 3: You know? It's so rude. I hate that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So but Benson's going in hard on the guy, and
Speaker 1: Murphy pulls her out and Live his pissed. She's like,
Speaker 1: i've been here fifteen minutes. You've been here fifteen seconds,
Speaker 1: Like you're pulling me out of an interrogation, like no,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, you're just yelling at him. You're
Speaker 1: supposed to align yourself with him, get him on your side,
Speaker 1: and then he brings up William Lewis like exactly what
Speaker 1: you're saying, Like is this you getting your anger out
Speaker 1: on William Lewis. It's like, fuck off, dude, and Lives
Speaker 1: like I got the message, and she's like I also
Speaker 1: have a therapist, so you can just fuck right off
Speaker 1: and she leaves and then Murphy's like tomorrow, you get
Speaker 1: in there. You align yourself with Simon and Amarro's like
Speaker 1: ew with this guy and he does not have a choice.
Speaker 1: So Amaro goes in and is like, oh so sorry
Speaker 1: about Benson. You okay, booboo, Like he's like really being
Speaker 1: so nice to him. It's like over the top, and
Speaker 1: Simon is like, I'm an artist. This is art. Art
Speaker 1: is supposed to be shocking and provoke. It's digital trump
Speaker 1: Lloy and Omarrow's like I get it. I see so
Speaker 1: much horrible shit in my job. When I get home,
Speaker 1: sometimes I watch some videos as a release and it's like,
Speaker 1: he doesn't say what's in the videos whatever, but he's implying.
Speaker 1: I guess that they're He watches fucking child sex abuse
Speaker 1: images for a release and Simon's like, exactly, and then
Speaker 1: Morolins is like, but what about the boy And he's like,
Speaker 1: there was no boy.
Speaker 3: I never paid any money.
Speaker 1: And they're like, and the fully outfitted torture room, and
Speaker 1: he goes, that's my meditation room. I'm the only one
Speaker 1: who's been in it. You won't find anything in there.
Speaker 1: Then in Busts, my big fact Greek weddings start, they also.
Speaker 2: But they also don't even have jigs in there, so
Speaker 2: he's not even like masturbating in there, like he's such
Speaker 2: a little weirdo.
Speaker 3: Well, they they do find DNA in there, so they might.
Speaker 2: I thought it was just fingerprints, Oh it was it
Speaker 2: was the sperm.
Speaker 1: I think they said it was his DNA, and I
Speaker 1: assumed it was jizz, but I'm not okay.
Speaker 3: It could be sweat, it could be anything. Who knows.
Speaker 3: But some of our Dallas is there. We've seen her before.
Speaker 1: She's defense attorney Menona Ephron, and Simon's wife hired her,
Speaker 1: and she's like, get out of here.
Speaker 3: I want the room so I can speak to my client.
Speaker 1: So Amar and Rawlins come out, and Amara is like
Speaker 1: so sickened by what he just had to say to
Speaker 1: get to this guy, and he's like, don't forget. I
Speaker 1: have two kids, including a ten year old son that
Speaker 1: I just found out about. So now at arraignment, Simon
Speaker 1: pleads not guilty, and Barba says, the charges against him
Speaker 1: are especially heinous and I don't know if there's like
Speaker 1: another time where I've heard them say especially heinous on
Speaker 1: the show, so I feel like this is an important milestone.
Speaker 1: And he explains all of the charges and Monona counters
Speaker 1: and is like he's an artist with an active imagination.
Speaker 1: There is no forensic evidence of criminal behavior. Barbara makes
Speaker 1: a interesting comparison. He goes a grenade with a pinpull
Speaker 1: hasn't blown up yet, but it's still a danger to
Speaker 1: everyone around it, and the judge is like, I gotta
Speaker 1: go with you on that one.
Speaker 3: Dog.
Speaker 2: I'm with that, Like I like that this show kind
Speaker 2: of bends and stuff, but it is just like what
Speaker 2: we're gonna wait, he does get a boy.
Speaker 3: Yes, what are we talking about? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the judge sets the bail at five million
Speaker 1: dollars cash and Monona's like that's punitive, and the Judge's like, bitch,
Speaker 1: shut up, I'm doing it. So at the precinct, Murphy
Speaker 1: is storming into the bullpen like okay. The good news
Speaker 1: is is that Wilkes has been remanded I guess, just
Speaker 1: meaning that he doesn't have the money to pay for
Speaker 1: the bail and he's getting a psychoval. But the bad
Speaker 1: news is it's tough to try a case with no victims, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: very tough. Other bad news is that it turns out
Speaker 1: those photos really were photoshopped. Amarro's like, I've got another
Speaker 1: need lead though, there was a special needs boy from
Speaker 1: a nearby school who went missing for six days last
Speaker 1: year and when they found him, he had no idea
Speaker 1: where he'd been. So now we're seeing a montage of
Speaker 1: the gang out canvassing playgrounds with a photo of Simon.
Speaker 1: People are like, no, sorry, don't recognize him. We've got
Speaker 1: a bunch of kids going to lineups. They're not picking
Speaker 1: him out of the lineup. They've got nothing, so except
Speaker 1: some moms recognized him and said they've seen him out
Speaker 1: taking pictures, but nothing else. None of the kids picked
Speaker 1: him out of a lineup that none of these kids
Speaker 1: that are in open molestation cases, and the special needs
Speaker 1: boy who disappeared didn't identify him, so kind of it
Speaker 1: didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 3: It does turn out.
Speaker 1: That he has an ex wife and a son living
Speaker 1: in Toronto and they're avoiding the NYPD calls. He said
Speaker 1: they also found fluids, prints and all kinds of DNA
Speaker 1: in the torture room, and then Rollins goes the bad news.
Speaker 3: It's all Simon's so I guess he is schureking it
Speaker 3: in there. Well they're like, well, he just cleaned the
Speaker 3: place really well.
Speaker 1: And Rollins's like, no, guys, you don't get it, Like,
Speaker 1: how could he there's no sign of bleach. How could
Speaker 1: he get rid of everybody else's DNA but his own?
Speaker 1: Like that's not how it works, Like if there was,
Speaker 1: if it was bleached, it'd be completely clean, no DNA,
Speaker 1: and Amaro's like, but he told us what he did
Speaker 1: to kids in there, Like why would anyone make that up?
Speaker 1: Cue the psychical Okay, and we got our boy, George
Speaker 1: Hwang back in the box and I'm excited.
Speaker 3: He's like, you know, very calm.
Speaker 1: He like, I'm a guy from both sides that agreed
Speaker 1: to evaluate you.
Speaker 3: So here we go.
Speaker 1: George Wang says, have you ever been in therapy? And
Speaker 1: he goes, no, I never had the need. Okay, red
Speaker 1: flag and he's like, the only thing I did was
Speaker 1: I spoke to the wrong people about my fantasy life.
Speaker 1: And Huang's like, yeah, let's explore your very graphic fantasy life.
Speaker 1: But Dick Wolf does not want us to hear that conversation,
Speaker 1: so we cut to Barbara Benson and Murphy walking and
Speaker 1: talking with Wang, who tells them to be honest.
Speaker 3: He scares me.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest things is he's never sought treatment,
Speaker 1: but he's been having these fantasies in his head since childhood.
Speaker 1: They'd become more graphic over time. A few years ago,
Speaker 1: the thoughts evolved into the photoshop photos, then building that room.
Speaker 3: So he's escalating, like an addict.
Speaker 1: Will he act on these impulses, they ask Huang, and
Speaker 1: Huang is like, listen, some people talk about taking their
Speaker 1: own lives. We worry about them when they buy a gun.
Speaker 1: And that torture chamber is an arsenal. So that's when
Speaker 1: you start to worry, you know. So now the meeting
Speaker 1: with him and his lawyer, and she's like, well, what
Speaker 1: are you offering? And Barbara goes intensive supervision. He moves
Speaker 1: out of a school zone, and he goes on the registry.
Speaker 1: I think that sounds fair, fair, right, Like I think
Speaker 1: that sounds pretty good for like you won't cry your south,
Speaker 1: No one cares. Yeah, I don't know how many barmetzvahs
Speaker 1: you're gonna be getting into around teens. But uh, Simon
Speaker 1: seems jazzed. He goes no jail time, and Manona's like,
Speaker 1: hold on, he didn't even do anything and lives like okay,
Speaker 1: but a jury is not gonna love the photos of
Speaker 1: that torture chamber, like the saws, the chairs, the drains,
Speaker 1: And Manona's like, okay, so you're just gonna go after
Speaker 1: this man for his thoughts. That is a gross violation
Speaker 1: of civil liberties. And Barbara comes for her and goes,
Speaker 1: who are you representing here? Your activist friends looking for
Speaker 1: a test case so they can fundraise, or your client,
Speaker 1: and then she calls his bluff and goes, Simon, Barba's
Speaker 1: just trying to make you doubt me, and she shoves
Speaker 1: the offer back in their face and is like, I
Speaker 1: dare you to take this to trial. So no, I
Speaker 1: loved it. They're just trying to shake your confidence in me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was obsessed with her here. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: just had it handled. Not stressed, but pissed and like
Speaker 1: put them in their place. Yeah, and she you could
Speaker 1: tell she's totally like this is a landmark case about thought.
Speaker 3: She's a psycho bitch? Wasn't she not?
Speaker 2: William Lewis's attorney. She's a dumb bitch, was she? I
Speaker 2: feel like she was.
Speaker 1: She's definitely represented some psychos. She definitely has whole on.
Speaker 1: Let me see few. Let's see who her clients are. Okay,
Speaker 1: she's had Jeremy Jones from the episode Criminal Hatred, Lena
Speaker 1: Olsen from Rapist Anonymous, Simon Wilkes, and then Jenna Scott.
Speaker 3: She represents the girl who raped her friend in the.
Speaker 1: Episode we just did, the girl who catfished her friend
Speaker 1: and then like came in and like, what's rape in
Speaker 1: the night?
Speaker 3: I remember that? Okay? Well, she represents a rapists anonymous.
Speaker 1: It's basically like making a murderer where the guy gets
Speaker 1: out of jail exonerated. Then he kills the daughter and
Speaker 1: then the mother kills him. I think, and she represents her.
Speaker 2: She's really such a bigger fix, that's in my head
Speaker 2: because then she also gets this guy, like I think
Speaker 2: he hates being gay and he like rapes sky people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Jeremy Jones, serial rapist Robert will Later a murderer, but
Speaker 2: I feel like he.
Speaker 1: Is ah okay, and I was completely wrong about that.
Speaker 3: Lena Olsen is a totally different person.
Speaker 1: She's a recovering alcoholic who stocked and murdered her lover,
Speaker 1: fellow alcoholic Jean Firestein, when he refused to lie.
Speaker 2: This is This is the one where we had Amanda
Speaker 2: Seifried's husband on it and it was like the AA
Speaker 2: meetings and the fifteenth Steps. That was that I can't
Speaker 2: believe that this is it. So she those are her
Speaker 2: known client. I'm like shocked. Those are her four Yeah,
Speaker 2: in my head, she's been in fifteen episodes and was
Speaker 2: William Lewis's attorney.
Speaker 3: That is.
Speaker 4: She.
Speaker 2: But she just gives me evil bitch but like good
Speaker 2: at her job. I don't know, It's like tough, okay.
Speaker 2: So now we're in court Barba's questioning Finn. He explains, yes,
Speaker 2: Simon told me he wanted to torture a young boy
Speaker 2: to death in there. And now it's Monona's turn and
Speaker 2: she's like, well, in your hundreds of crime scenes that
Speaker 2: you've processed in your many years on the job, how
Speaker 2: common is it for there to be zero evidence of
Speaker 2: a crime? And Finn's like, it happens, and then she's
Speaker 2: kind of running circles around him.
Speaker 1: She's like, we can't know for sure. He even brought
Speaker 1: another person into that room, like you know, this is
Speaker 1: not this is a nothing burger basically, which I hate that.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 2: If I was on the jury, I'd be like, keep
Speaker 2: this man off the streets totally.
Speaker 3: I don't care. I would have totally been like guilty. Yeah. Same.
Speaker 1: Now it's Amorrow's turn and she brings up him talking
Speaker 1: to Simon about watching videos for release.
Speaker 3: She's like, was that true?
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, I was trying to get on
Speaker 1: his side, and she's like, so you shared a fantasy
Speaker 1: to get a reaction. Isn't that what Simon did? And
Speaker 1: Tomarro goes, he built a room, which that to me
Speaker 1: is like the crux of the episode. Yes, it's not
Speaker 1: just about your your thoughts, like you can have as
Speaker 1: many fucked up thoughts as you want. He built a
Speaker 1: room that would facilitate those thoughts, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: and then she I love his line.
Speaker 3: Reading of that. He just goes, he built a room
Speaker 3: like it's so good.
Speaker 1: And then now she bates Tomorrow about judging people's behavior
Speaker 1: based on past statements and goes, could anyone have predicted
Speaker 1: that you would snap one night and go after three
Speaker 1: boys with a baseball bat? And Tomorrow's like, they came
Speaker 1: after me, they sprayed my house with bullets. I don't
Speaker 1: even remember what that's from.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's people being pissed when he murdered
Speaker 2: that kill someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, probably from Amorrow's one to eighty.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like blacking it out. But Barbara, like
Speaker 1: Barba objects and she goes with drawn like she's doing
Speaker 1: a lot of dirty move with heraw like that's like
Speaker 1: where she brings up incendiary shit and then goes, what's ron,
Speaker 1: it's a very it's.
Speaker 3: A Buchanan move. I feel like Buchanon does that a lot.
Speaker 1: So now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, now they've.
Speaker 1: Got Wong on the stand, Yes, we do love. Delaney
Speaker 1: Huang is on the stand and Monona is having a
Speaker 1: harder time getting at him, like she's like, are you
Speaker 1: telling the jury you can predict beyond a reasonable a
Speaker 1: doubt when someone is going to commit a crime, And
Speaker 1: he's like, bitch, my job is to evaluate.
Speaker 3: I'm giving you my evaluation.
Speaker 1: And then she takes a dig at him, calling him
Speaker 1: a psychic, and there's an objection.
Speaker 3: She's like with drawn again.
Speaker 1: So she's being now she's being petty and caddy and
Speaker 1: nasty to our Huong. So outside the courtroom, the gang
Speaker 1: is discussing it. They're like, I don't know if the
Speaker 1: jury's going to go for this. And then finally a
Speaker 1: little like array of hope, a little bit of good news.
Speaker 1: Rollins gets to get a text the what ex wife
Speaker 1: is willing to talk to them?
Speaker 3: So did they call her on the phone? Did they
Speaker 3: get on Skype?
Speaker 1: No? They send tomorrow and Rollins to Toronto toot Sweet
Speaker 1: to speak to paula Walker who looked so familiar to me.
Speaker 1: So I looked her up and her name, the actress
Speaker 1: is Welker White, and she looks very familiar to me.
Speaker 3: She's been in two other.
Speaker 1: Svus, some that we've one that we've covered, I think,
Speaker 1: and she's been a bunch of Scorre Sasey movies. Then
Speaker 1: I see that she's married to another actor, So you know,
Speaker 1: I got a click. I click on who he is
Speaker 1: she is married to? You know the episode we do
Speaker 1: with some of our live shows, or just look like
Speaker 1: one from season one, Remember how there's like a douchey
Speaker 1: novelist named Hampton Trill and they go to his amazing apartment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: him and munch like fight. She's married to Hampton Trill. Wow,
Speaker 1: I love a little SVU. Connect the dots. The guy,
Speaker 1: the actor's name is Damian Young. He's in a bunch
Speaker 1: of law and order, like so is she she's in.
Speaker 1: He's in a bunch of regular law and order and
Speaker 1: criminal intent and stuff like that. I think, or just
Speaker 1: look like one is his only SVU. But so anyway,
Speaker 1: they're like a little theater couple. She's like, she's like
Speaker 1: a well known I think theater coach and professor and
Speaker 1: stuff are acting coach and stuff. So anyway, I liked
Speaker 1: looking that. And she's been in all these Scorsese movies.
Speaker 1: She's in Goodfellas anyway, She shocked they found her. She's like,
Speaker 1: I change my name, I got off the internet. I
Speaker 1: didn't even think that Simon knew where I moved after
Speaker 1: I remarried, So like, she's really surprised that they've been
Speaker 1: able to track her down. She says when she first
Speaker 1: met Simon, he was magnetic. She was very attracted to him. Again,
Speaker 1: Lisa doesn't get it. I don't get it, but there's
Speaker 1: something there with these women. They're loving him. But she
Speaker 1: said he had a darkness. She could feel it. She
Speaker 1: started to notice the way he would slam his laptop
Speaker 1: shut whenever she entered the room, and then one day
Speaker 1: he left it open, and he was messaging with people
Speaker 1: about her and about their son, Bobby, and about the
Speaker 1: things that he would let these people on the internet
Speaker 1: do to his wife and son.
Speaker 3: Can you believe how fucking timely this is crazy? I
Speaker 3: was thinking that.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is like that woman, this is
Speaker 1: like Giselle Pellico, like this is crazy. And Bobby at
Speaker 1: the time was six years old, and this guy's online
Speaker 1: going here's what you guys can do to my wife
Speaker 1: and son. He said it was a game when she
Speaker 1: asked him, But she's like, you know, he knew he
Speaker 1: had to get the hell away from us, and I
Speaker 1: just told Bobby that his dad was sick, and I
Speaker 1: made a deal with him that if he agreed to
Speaker 1: never see Bobby again or be around children, I would
Speaker 1: keep quiet. So she's like, you're telling me this torture
Speaker 1: room that you found is across the street from a
Speaker 1: grade school. She's like, clearly he broke the deal, right.
Speaker 1: So back in court, Simon is on the stand. Against
Speaker 1: his lawyer's advice, Monona needs to let everyone know I
Speaker 1: did not want this for him, okay, and he goes,
Speaker 1: I just want the jury to see that I am
Speaker 1: super normal and that they too could be targeted for
Speaker 1: simply their thoughts and constructing a probably million dollar fucking
Speaker 1: torture room in their studio. Now it's Barba's turn, and
Speaker 1: he brings up Simon's ex wife and son and asks
Speaker 1: are you in contact with them? And he's like, I don't.
Speaker 1: He's flustered. He's like, I don't see what that has
Speaker 1: to do with anything, and then boom, the timing always
Speaker 1: on the show. It's like they've got PA's and they
Speaker 1: go to the ex wife and son. Let's go so
Speaker 1: as he's on the stand talking about his ex wife
Speaker 1: and son. They walk into the courtroom. Okay, the son
Speaker 1: is a teen now. He looks very awkward. He's I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's very awkward to say, we need to go
Speaker 1: to New York so that we can see your dad.
Speaker 1: You haven't seen in like ten years. He's got a
Speaker 1: torture room. We're not sure if he did anything, but
Speaker 1: you just get in the car. Like, So they bring
Speaker 1: Bobby and Simon is. Simon makes a long eye contact
Speaker 1: with his ex wife right like, she's like, you know
Speaker 1: why I'm here.
Speaker 3: You went against our deal.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Barbara asks again, why aren't you in touch
Speaker 1: with your ex and your son? And he's like, I
Speaker 1: knew I couldn't be around them because of the pictures
Speaker 1: in my head.
Speaker 3: And he goes.
Speaker 1: Barba goes, didn't your ex make you leave because she
Speaker 1: was afraid you were going to act on your urges?
Speaker 1: And Simon goes, no, no, it was my decision. I
Speaker 1: didn't hurt him, he's my son, never hurt him. But
Speaker 1: he's getting upset like he knows like maybe he would
Speaker 1: have hurt his son. He is, and Monona looks like, fuck,
Speaker 1: this really just fucked my I was really smooth sailing
Speaker 1: until just now. So now it's Barba's closing statement. He
Speaker 1: mentions the torture videos that Simon's watched. He's describing the
Speaker 1: horrible torture room, the saw, the drains for blood, Like
Speaker 1: did he get a plumber in there?
Speaker 3: Drains don't just go to nowhere? You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You can't like self installed drains to plumbing.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, he doesn't give me the YouTube and do
Speaker 2: it myself vibe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm confused about the plumbing needs that he
Speaker 1: uh employed to maake this room happen. But anyway, he's
Speaker 1: like telling the jury, if Simon was so afraid that
Speaker 1: he might hurt his own son that he left him,
Speaker 1: shouldn't we be equally as concerned. And Monona's turn now
Speaker 1: with her aggressive side part. I mean, her hair is
Speaker 1: like all the way to the side is once again
Speaker 1: bringing up the zero victim, zero nobody, no crime, right
Speaker 1: like zero victims, zero evidence, zero crime. He's an artist
Speaker 1: who pushes boundaries and then she goes, have you ever
Speaker 1: had thoughts you knew you'd never act on? I know
Speaker 1: I have cheating killing your spouse? Think about it? Actually
Speaker 1: don't think about it, or you'll be where mister Wilkes
Speaker 1: is now. And it's like she has a fucking point.
Speaker 1: But the room, I mean, it all goes back to
Speaker 1: the room. If the room didn't exist, we would not
Speaker 1: be here. Monona muscles her way into the elevator in
Speaker 1: the next scene to confront Barbara.
Speaker 2: She's like, nice, it's also like, we're usually meaner pedophiles
Speaker 2: to this idea of like it's just the fantasy he has.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, we don't like people that fantasize and
Speaker 2: go on sites that have like, yeah, him visiting the
Speaker 2: sites should have at least gotten him lesser charges.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also, are you allowed to photoshop material like that?
Speaker 1: Or I mean, are you allowed to photoshop child sex
Speaker 1: abuse images? Like you're not right? Like I think it's
Speaker 1: its own charge. It's like, but I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess it's if that's the whole thing they're saying, now,
Speaker 1: how all this child sexabaste images is made up of
Speaker 1: not real children?
Speaker 3: So is that okay?
Speaker 1: If it's like a fully digitally created child that's not
Speaker 1: real in these in this material? Is that illegal? That's
Speaker 1: like a whole thing that people are discussing. I don't
Speaker 1: fucking know. It's it's like horrible, but I don't know, Okay.
Speaker 1: In the next scene, Monona muscles her way into the
Speaker 1: elevator to confront Barbara. She's like, nice move with the
Speaker 1: X and the kid bringing them in to rattle him,
Speaker 1: and Barba's like, ever, wonder why he's so rattled, Like
Speaker 1: what are the thoughts in his head about his own son?
Speaker 1: And then she goes, do you want to live in
Speaker 1: a world where you can be put in prison for
Speaker 1: what's in your head? And, like I wrote here one
Speaker 1: of the top moral conundrum SVU episodes. I don't want
Speaker 1: anyone to go to prison for what's in their head,
Speaker 1: but I want to go in prison when they buy
Speaker 1: a bunch of saws and they are clearly escalating. It's
Speaker 1: like what you said about stalking, Like I can think
Speaker 1: about Brad pitt All, I fucking want. I can have
Speaker 1: dreams that we are having sex for hours. If I
Speaker 1: start sitting outside of his house and then I buy
Speaker 1: a gun, that's when we have to start talking about
Speaker 1: what's going on with me, you know, Like that's it's
Speaker 1: just to me, Like the room is everything, and the
Speaker 1: saws and the drains.
Speaker 3: So at the court it's verdict time.
Speaker 1: Uh oh, not guilty on all charges or on both charges.
Speaker 1: The gang looks stressed, disappointed. His wife hugs him. She's
Speaker 1: been standing by him the whole time. She's like, what
Speaker 1: can I say? I love my bar Mitzvah photographer husband
Speaker 1: who dreams about like fully murdering children, like in a
Speaker 1: violent way.
Speaker 3: What can I say? He's just an artist. You guys
Speaker 3: don't get him.
Speaker 1: I mean, I say that, But then it's like every
Speaker 1: single serial killer has a wife they met like in prison,
Speaker 1: you know, or like people that have like a million
Speaker 1: women writing them in prison. So I guess I get
Speaker 1: why people are can be into this kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I can fix him. So after court, we haven't seen
Speaker 1: this before. The gang is at a restaurant, dream in
Speaker 1: their stars away at a little circular table. It looks
Speaker 1: like it looks like very midtown, right, It's like or downtown.
Speaker 1: It's got like like leather red booths, white tablecloths, and
Speaker 1: no one's eating. They're just all drinking and they're drinking
Speaker 1: their stars away. They're trying to tell Barbara, hey, no
Speaker 1: big deal, you did it. You did a really good job. Considering,
Speaker 1: and then Simon and his wife a Monona walk in
Speaker 1: which I don't think we've seen a post court wink
Speaker 1: wink at the same eating establishment and Manona like nods
Speaker 1: to Barbara and Nick like can't handle it, like he
Speaker 1: there's this scene is solely to build up Nick's rage,
Speaker 1: like Nick wants to pop off on this guy, like
Speaker 1: so bad. So next thing we see is him kissing
Speaker 1: Zaragobye putting her in a car, and he's like, okay, Maria,
Speaker 1: so we'll keep talking then and she's like, actually, no, babe,
Speaker 1: I'm taking the job. And he's like what the fuck
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, no, you can come too, and
Speaker 1: he's like, and do what check Id's at a movie
Speaker 1: studio gate, which is fun. You could probably do more
Speaker 1: than that, sir, like, but it was a funny little
Speaker 1: it's a funny little nod to what he thinks LA
Speaker 1: is for people with like detectives.
Speaker 3: I have my He's like, I have my mom my
Speaker 3: recently discovered son. Like I'll fight you on this, and she's.
Speaker 1: Like, honey, you think that the court is gonna give
Speaker 1: the kid to you? Who shot an unarmed black teen
Speaker 1: has all these like aggressive like incidents on your jacket
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 3: She goes.
Speaker 1: If you want to fight me, you want to take
Speaker 1: me to court, I'm gonna have to bring up stuff that.
Speaker 3: You really don't want on the record. So you better
Speaker 3: let this go.
Speaker 1: Like you attacking a guy I was dating, like all
Speaker 1: that shit, you know, like, and Nick's like, fuck, she's right.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think that's true because.
Speaker 1: We interviewed that guy for mus Dominic r Yah yeah dominic.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I'll never forget when he goes theater. People are
Speaker 2: the best. And I go, honey, like what, let's be real,
Speaker 2: But I'll always remember him for that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, a blessing.
Speaker 1: So Nick stupidly thinking because he's a fucking idiot man
Speaker 1: who just literally does everything in his life without thinking,
Speaker 1: never thought for a second. Oh wait, actually, if she
Speaker 1: just wants to take zar to California, she probably could.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of fucked up stuff I've done, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how it's gonna work out in court.
Speaker 1: And so next thing we see is fucking torture room
Speaker 1: Tommy Simon Wilkes with a big ass paparazzi camera just
Speaker 1: snapping pictures of kids on a playground without consent. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's legal, but he's just doing it and
Speaker 1: Nick walks up to him and goes, you got five.
Speaker 2: I can't believe they couldn't even get him to a
Speaker 2: deal where it's like you can't be on a playground
Speaker 2: like right, I just feel like the prosecute the city
Speaker 2: fucking flopped, like you can't get him on anything.
Speaker 1: And now he's more empowered than ever. He's like I'm untouchable.
Speaker 1: They can't get me. Right, So he's sitting there snapping
Speaker 1: away at these kids, like he's snapping through a fence,
Speaker 1: Like how good are these pictures gonna be?
Speaker 3: But also how is not one parent like popping off?
Speaker 1: Yes, Like for I feel like that's an immediate you're
Speaker 1: not even supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm imagining the snake park in Highland Park, like
Speaker 2: if some they're snapping photos, they would be the Richard
Speaker 2: Ramirez mob, Like there's no way that would.
Speaker 3: Be, no way, no way.
Speaker 1: And a lot of these parks do have rules that
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to be there without a kid.
Speaker 3: But he is on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1: This guy fucking knows how to skirt the wall all
Speaker 1: the time, like he's not in the playground.
Speaker 3: He's on the sidewalk, so that's what he says.
Speaker 1: Nick goes, you got five seconds to put that camera down,
Speaker 1: and he goes, this is a public sidewalk. You can't
Speaker 1: control me. And then he goes smile and goes to
Speaker 1: take a picture of Amorrow.
Speaker 3: I mean that's on him.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, like you deserve to get like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like taking a picture without consent.
Speaker 3: So Amorrow goes to grab his camera and then Simon
Speaker 3: punches him, and that sets Nick all the way off.
Speaker 1: He starts beating the shit out of Simon, like he
Speaker 1: is down on the ground at Tomorrow is just punching
Speaker 1: and fucking kicking and going to town on Simon. The
Speaker 1: cops come. Nick's like, I'm on the job. I'm on
Speaker 1: the job. But they take him away, and that's dick
Speaker 1: wolf baby of Amorrow making probably I think his last
Speaker 1: bad decision on us for you, Like I think this
Speaker 1: is this is the end of the road for him.
Speaker 1: But go on and tell me all about the real crime.
Speaker 3: And I hope it's not.
Speaker 2: There's no room with drains, drainless drainless crime. Okay, so
Speaker 2: this is Gilberto Valley. I would say, I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: Gilberto Valley and, as The New York Post called him,
Speaker 2: the cannibal Cop.
Speaker 3: Okay and cannibal cops.
Speaker 2: First article that comes up is from January twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: First and it's Cannibal Cop dishes on Army Hammer's scandal.
Speaker 1: Oh no, they brought him in as a celebrity sour,
Speaker 1: so no, and.
Speaker 3: The New York Post does not quit. Here are some
Speaker 3: more headlines.
Speaker 2: Cannibal Cop dishes on how his twisted role plays come
Speaker 2: to a boil. Cannibal Cop says he's a hot dish
Speaker 2: on the dating scene. And then one of them says,
Speaker 2: Cannibal Cop interested in attending law school, so I will
Speaker 2: fill you in on everything. So basically, his estrange wife
Speaker 2: discovers a porno collection on his computer and contacts the FBI.
Speaker 2: So in October twenty twelve, this New York City police
Speaker 2: officer is charged with conspiring to kidnap, torture, cook, and
Speaker 2: eat women whose names he listed in his computer. He
Speaker 2: was twenty eight at the time from living in Forest Hills, Queens.
Speaker 2: He also is charged in conspiring to cross state lines
Speaker 2: to kidnap the women, and with illegally accessing a federal database.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's honestly the reaction I wanted. That's
Speaker 3: so scary.
Speaker 2: So if you want to eat women and cross state lines,
Speaker 2: you also can't be a cop.
Speaker 3: Like, sorry, it is too much pick a lane. That's
Speaker 3: I mean, we're not lost.
Speaker 1: Cultureisas but that is rule of cult. That's a rule
Speaker 1: of culture. If you want to eat women across state lines,
Speaker 1: you cannot be a Cops are not.
Speaker 3: It's gosh.
Speaker 2: So the maximum sentence for these crimes could be life
Speaker 2: in prison. And this started when investigators uncovered a file
Speaker 2: on Valley's computer containing the names and pictures of at
Speaker 2: least one hundred women and the addresses and physical descriptions
Speaker 2: of some of them. And it said he had undertaken
Speaker 2: like surveillance of some of these women at their workplace
Speaker 2: and at their homes. So excerpts from a July online
Speaker 2: cop So he had like three co conspirators as well,
Speaker 2: So like he was talking to real people on the
Speaker 2: internet about real plans, and so there are like these
Speaker 2: unnamed people so whatever from a July online convo, He's
Speaker 2: quoted saying I can just show up at her home unannounced.
Speaker 2: It will not alert her, and I can knock her out,
Speaker 2: wait until dark, and kidnap her right out of her
Speaker 2: home and this is ruders. And then she also, I
Speaker 2: was thinking of tying her body onto some kind of apparatus,
Speaker 2: cook her over a low heat, keep her alive as
Speaker 2: long as possible.
Speaker 3: Like that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: You can't be punished for your thoughts, but like you
Speaker 2: can't have these thoughts, like sorry, yeah, you can't want
Speaker 2: to cook women on a low temp because if you
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to do it, you would take it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why are you not seeking out help that these
Speaker 1: are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's from the episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't even need therapy and like that's
Speaker 2: what long was so on the money with, Like you
Speaker 2: don't even think something's wrong with these fantasies that you're having.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyways.
Speaker 2: Other quotes This is from the New York Times. Part
Speaker 2: of me wants to put her in the oven while
Speaker 2: she is still alive, but at a very low heat,
Speaker 2: makes some bacon strips off of her belly. He said
Speaker 2: he would kidnap a woman for five grand and he
Speaker 2: had a document called abducting and Cooking a blueprint. This
Speaker 2: is truly like a Simpsons episode to have more evidence.
Speaker 2: This evidence is so funny, Like, I mean, he was
Speaker 2: legit googling, like how do I chloroform a woman?
Speaker 3: Like he was googling all of these things, and you're
Speaker 3: a cop.
Speaker 1: You don't even know they're gonna like they can check
Speaker 1: your Google history, like I mean.
Speaker 2: Other descriptions stringing a victim up by her feet and
Speaker 2: cutting her throat, letting her bleed out, than butcher her
Speaker 2: while she.
Speaker 3: Hangs the New York Times.
Speaker 2: God, she'll be trussed up like a turkey, terrified, screaming
Speaker 2: and trying the daily news. His cop buddy involved in
Speaker 2: an investigation, said that this was just an online fantasy game.
Speaker 3: Just a game. That's the big thing. It's just a game.
Speaker 2: He goes, I became part of the cyber community where
Speaker 2: people are exploring deviant thoughts and exploring their fetishes. Make
Speaker 2: you try and out to the other person. Who could
Speaker 2: be the sicker one, who could be the more depraved one?
Speaker 2: The baby was sleeping, the mom was sleeping. There was
Speaker 2: just nothing to do.
Speaker 1: So, oh my god, you're BOREDE So you're like, how
Speaker 1: can we torture and kill someone the most disgusting way?
Speaker 1: I mean, let me just ask a question as I'm
Speaker 1: thinking out loud. I don't know if I have a
Speaker 1: point here, because this is obviously disgusting and these are
Speaker 1: bad thoughts to have, but like, there are people making
Speaker 1: movies of this kind of shit all the time. Like
Speaker 1: Jared just told me about this horror movie he saw
Speaker 1: from Taiwan that was horrific. He told me about one
Speaker 1: scene in it that I was like, that's so disgusting.
Speaker 1: And people are fully making movies and physical representations of
Speaker 1: these things happening all the time. So do you think
Speaker 1: these guys think like, oh, yeah, we're just kind of
Speaker 1: like doing that, but with our friends on the internet, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I hate it. This is why I
Speaker 1: don't watch horror movies. It's not fun for me to
Speaker 1: see people in pain or to imagine people in pain
Speaker 1: as a fantasy, But yet people love horror movies. Casey
Speaker 1: cared away in.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think it's I think there's a difference there between
Speaker 5: like making an art piece that's representative of an idea,
Speaker 5: whereas these guys want to be a part of it's
Speaker 5: more involved than yeah, creation.
Speaker 3: It's not passive viewing. It's because I want yellow jackets.
Speaker 2: They're can they're eating each other, and I'm not like
Speaker 2: we got to get her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, yes, they're eating each other, like
Speaker 1: from Survival. And also a lot of horror movies, of course,
Speaker 1: have deeper themes, like they're not just about murdering and
Speaker 1: torture and whatever, like, there's often themes about other things
Speaker 1: in it, so it is art.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, these fucking guys are just tell
Speaker 3: us the TaiWhen he's seen, tell us what he told you.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess the brief description I was given was that,
Speaker 1: like this, you have this disorder that like makes your
Speaker 1: inhibitions completely go away, so you're everybody is just turning
Speaker 1: into like a full psychotic, like fucking murdering crazy person
Speaker 1: when they get this sickness. And this guy, this woman's
Speaker 1: eye gets ripped out of her head and then he
Speaker 1: he he has sucks with the eyehole. And I know
Speaker 1: that skull fucking's not a new thing, but it seemed
Speaker 1: it sounded so disgusting to me when it was explained.
Speaker 1: Is that not that doesn't seem like it's really making
Speaker 1: a big impact on either of you.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's disturbing and uh, Jared really seeks this
Speaker 5: stuff out.
Speaker 1: That's so hard, Like while while she's alive, as she's alive,
Speaker 1: she's alive.
Speaker 3: Sorry I should have mentioned that, like that change is out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's not like an empty skull that's like you
Speaker 1: find No, she's alive.
Speaker 3: Does she get away?
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens. I didn't watch this movie.
Speaker 1: That's like all I heard of that. Of that one scene.
Speaker 1: I literally sent it to Alison and Halle and was like,
Speaker 1: Jared says, you guys should do this for Ruin.
Speaker 3: Sorry Alison, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so anyway, I don't even know what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to I obviously know it's different. It's just like I
Speaker 1: could see these fucking weirdos go, Yeah, we're just trying
Speaker 1: to talk about what's more disgusting to each other on
Speaker 1: the internet. But then again, much like in the episode,
Speaker 1: this guy having a list of real women circled and
Speaker 1: the database and that he's talk.
Speaker 3: To another level. That's not my kids. Yeah, that's not
Speaker 3: like my kids asleep.
Speaker 1: So I'm online talking to some random dudes about what's
Speaker 1: than something out like trying to one up each other
Speaker 1: in grossness like that that changes it. But well, anyway,
Speaker 1: talking about this fucking psychocop.
Speaker 2: So he claims, uh, you know that once he shuts
Speaker 2: down the computer, he goes back to being regular him.
Speaker 2: You know, that's just his fantasy life. But that's just
Speaker 2: not true.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: According to the Federal Park one of the federal prosecutors
Speaker 2: Hadasa Waxman.
Speaker 3: I bet a jew. I wouldn't bet against you on
Speaker 3: that one, Hadasa. I do like that.
Speaker 2: I know someone of the Pomeranian named Hadassa, and pretty fun.
Speaker 1: It was the name of Sarah Silverman's puppet on Crank Anchors,
Speaker 1: wasn't it.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's a big.
Speaker 2: She said to The New York Times that he communicated
Speaker 2: with three co conspirators about his plans, like I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 2: to commit this crime, and even used a police car
Speaker 2: while in uniform to conduct surveillance of a woman. He
Speaker 2: used the fucking National Crime Information Center to get information
Speaker 2: on women, and he had files on at least one
Speaker 2: hundred of these women, So fuck off. Judge Henry Pittman
Speaker 2: denied him bail, and like in the episode, has attorney
Speaker 2: Julia Gado, but she was a public defender argued it's
Speaker 2: all talk and according to Ruters, there's no actual crossing
Speaker 2: the line from fantasy to reality, your honor, but there was.
Speaker 2: I mean, he searched online for methods, used the database
Speaker 2: to collective info on victims, and was conducting surveillance. So
Speaker 2: the Manhattan Federal prosecutor, like I said, Jadasa told the
Speaker 2: judge that, like damn, he came as close as he
Speaker 2: possibly could come short of kidnapping a woman, drugging her
Speaker 2: and cooking her and actually eating her, Like excuse me,
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you talking about? Like what do
Speaker 2: you actually want him to do? He used his job
Speaker 2: to get secret information on women that he wants to cook, Like,
Speaker 2: fuck you, what do you want of him?
Speaker 3: Okay? So, and he knew some of the women, like
Speaker 3: he and his wife.
Speaker 2: I went to visit one of these call old college friends,
Speaker 2: and he wrote about her. When I see her Sunday,
Speaker 2: my mouth will be watering.
Speaker 3: And he wrote that.
Speaker 2: He wrote that three days before the brunch, and then
Speaker 2: he wrote eyeing her from head to toe and longed
Speaker 2: for the day I can cram a chloroform soaked rag
Speaker 2: in her face.
Speaker 3: New York Times.
Speaker 2: And like I said, googled how to abducts a girl,
Speaker 2: how to chloroform a girl that's planning. He was convicted
Speaker 2: of kidnapping conspiracy in March twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, he was, I mean, you're not gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: So then he was fired from the police department upon
Speaker 2: his conviction, which I'm actually shocked about. And then the
Speaker 2: United States Attorney in Manhattan, pre Bahara, said, the jury
Speaker 2: of six men six women unanimously found that he mister
Speaker 2: Valley's detail and specific plans to abduct women for the
Speaker 2: purpose of committing grotesque crimes was very real, and that's
Speaker 2: The New York Times also found guilty of illegally gaining
Speaker 2: access to a law enforcement database. He thinks nothing ever
Speaker 2: left the internet, so nothing happened to anyone, Okay. So
Speaker 2: then the summer of twenty fourteen, the officer's conviction is overturned.
Speaker 2: The federal judge said there was not sufficient evidence to
Speaker 2: support it.
Speaker 3: Paul G.
Speaker 2: Gardefi, the federal he's the judge in the Federal District
Speaker 2: Court of Manhattan, acquitted him on the serious count of
Speaker 2: kidnapping and conspiracy, which was like, that's what gives you
Speaker 2: the life in prison. He just said that the prosecution
Speaker 2: did not demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that he entered
Speaker 2: into a genuine agreement to kidnap a woman, or that
Speaker 2: he specifically intended to commit a kidnapping the times The
Speaker 2: judge did, however, uphold Valley's conviction on the second count
Speaker 2: of illegally gaining access to the database, which carries just
Speaker 2: a max of one year sentence. He got like one
Speaker 2: year of probation and needs to continue to get mental
Speaker 2: health treatment. He can't contact the women involved in the case,
Speaker 2: and he can't visit any fetish websites. He was also
Speaker 2: given like house, but he had already served twenty one
Speaker 2: months in prison during this time, during all these courts
Speaker 2: and stuff, he like wasn't a lot of bail and
Speaker 2: so and then seven of those months were in solitary confinement,
Speaker 2: and so all of that was counted as time served.
Speaker 3: And oh my god.
Speaker 2: And another fun little fact that while he was on
Speaker 2: the inside, he became the prison cook.
Speaker 3: He was a cook in prison. No he's read no,
Speaker 3: oh man.
Speaker 2: The government appealed and wanted the conviction to be reinstated,
Speaker 2: but they lost in the US Court of Appeals on
Speaker 2: December third, twenty fifteen, and they upheld Vale's acquito Valley's acquittal,
Speaker 2: and he just kept being like, I'm not capable of violence.
Speaker 2: I couldn't hurt anyone. You're a cop with a gun
Speaker 2: and a baton. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Have you literally not trained to commit violence against someone?
Speaker 3: If you have to?
Speaker 2: I have a non consequential detail for my research. So
Speaker 2: his you know, his mom is a boy mom, Elizabeth Valley,
Speaker 2: and in The New York Times wrote about her, she
Speaker 2: picked crumbs of pound cake that she has been eating
Speaker 2: off her skirt before the hearing began.
Speaker 1: And I just think that's like us so Gray painting
Speaker 1: a picture. This is the kind of journalism you can
Speaker 1: kiss goodbye. And the new regime everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just fucking love it.
Speaker 2: As of twenty nineteen, he worked in construction, but he's
Speaker 2: not happy about it. And now here's a twist, all right,
Speaker 2: case serre listening. He writes extreme horror novels. What yeah,
Speaker 2: So if you wanna, I have okay, So then if
Speaker 2: you want to read his novel, So there's one and
Speaker 2: the cover is a tied up, bloody woman and it's
Speaker 2: called a Gathering of Evil, Evil, Gathering of Evil and
Speaker 2: was optioned in twenty nineteen for a movie. It's gut
Speaker 2: churning according to Goodreads lol, and it's about violent, wealthy
Speaker 2: sadists that meet online through the dark Web and then
Speaker 2: turn their twisted fantasies into realities. The hunt is on, well,
Speaker 2: the Praise Survive, The Gathering of Evil and the Prey
Speaker 2: is you know, two women, and his good Reads bio
Speaker 2: he goes, listen, I was wrongfully arrested, and it's like,
Speaker 2: you were found guilty. You did, you were found guilty
Speaker 2: of something you did use a database at your job wrongly.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he has a memoir called Raw Deal, and
Speaker 2: then he also has a sequel to Gathering of Evil.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I can't say evil Avail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Gathering of the social catalog of Prey. And
Speaker 2: he's like a guest at Crime Con and Killer Core
Speaker 2: and stuff, and I think he's doing fine. And if
Speaker 2: you want to watch a film, there's something called Thought
Speaker 2: Crimes where he is featured heavily.
Speaker 3: I think it was HBO or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I heard of the HBO. Is
Speaker 1: it it's a doc?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, it's a dock because he's like
Speaker 3: being in a kid what the fuck?
Speaker 1: I mean, Yeah, they're so similar, but this is this
Speaker 1: one is like, yeah, there's no fucking torture room, but
Speaker 1: this one's worse because it's like a cop with all
Speaker 1: the access.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he should have gotten more than a year. I
Speaker 2: guess he was inside for twenty one months, but like
Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh my god, I think misusing your
Speaker 2: power as a cop to look at files you shouldn't
Speaker 2: look at should give you more time. Yeah, but also
Speaker 2: the co conspirators, did they get charged?
Speaker 3: You know, there's like a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: I really feel like I've been like like I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm having an Elwoods moment.
Speaker 3: Why the sperm? Why? Now?
Speaker 2: I've really been unlocked in a huge way with this
Speaker 2: Luigi trial.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna unlock? You know that it unlocks the
Speaker 1: ammonia clyglothelate.
Speaker 3: I can't say what the thing?
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't. I can't even try to say it.
Speaker 2: And you know what, now that we finished, I'm so
Speaker 2: hungry and I have half the sandwich in my fridge,
Speaker 2: like wow.
Speaker 1: Ready to go? And he tried to have you're allowed
Speaker 1: to eat a sandwich. You're not allowed to eat a
Speaker 1: woman that you cooked at low temp.
Speaker 2: I can't believe I read all that, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I can't wait to eat this bacon sandwich, Like I'm
Speaker 2: truly about to eat bacon.
Speaker 3: Serious, truly about to eat bacon. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Well, we don't have a guest, so we're just gonna
Speaker 1: pop right into the post mortem.
Speaker 3: Thought criminal.
Speaker 2: It is a thinker. I like when it's open ended.
Speaker 2: I mean, no, he's beat up soon, but I.
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, I don't think Amaro beating him up
Speaker 1: is gonna stop him. He's gonna like heel up and
Speaker 1: like start back on his quest to find I mean,
Speaker 1: that guy probably eventually moves out of the city and
Speaker 1: goes somewhere where he can like easily and torture kids
Speaker 1: without being so under the microscope now that the NYPD
Speaker 1: has his number, or really actually do it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you want to go to jail? What
Speaker 3: you have brought a kid in?
Speaker 2: They arrested too early to like make this point of
Speaker 2: an episode, But in terms of police work, I feel
Speaker 2: like they would have waited and like set up a
Speaker 2: fake kid, you know, like right, like god, ur yeah,
Speaker 2: they had more evidence and like built up a case
Speaker 2: like right, Yeah, that's that's my guess if it was
Speaker 2: real life. Yeah, because they usually like whenever they've done stings,
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, you can't, like if it's one of
Speaker 2: the ladies, like dressing up as a sex worker, it's
Speaker 2: like you can't do anything until they show money or
Speaker 2: like whatever. You know, Like there's always like I wonder
Speaker 2: if I wonder how stings work with like kids though,
Speaker 2: like if you could get like if there's ever like
Speaker 2: a nine year old or something that they can get,
Speaker 2: well you but.
Speaker 3: Just the money has to be exchanged.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the photos speaking like that, you don't need to
Speaker 2: bring in a kid or you bring in you know
Speaker 2: that girl, what is it?
Speaker 3: Turner syndrome?
Speaker 1: You get, you get you get someone to Turner syndrome exactly.
Speaker 3: Episode. But what were you do? You had something?
Speaker 1: Ye know?
Speaker 2: I'm actually because like because of this show, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like you know, I'm always looking for what's going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm suspicious. But basically I was out with people,
Speaker 1: but three of us girls were waiting for a car,
Speaker 1: and our guy friend just went by and started walking
Speaker 1: away and didn't wait for us to get in our ubers,
Speaker 1: And I'm like livid and I'm gonna have a talk.
Speaker 3: I'm like pissed. I'm like, I, yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Why would you just I'm like, I have actually not
Speaker 2: one friend in my life any gender that would do that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you wait for the people with the ubers to leave
Speaker 2: if you live close.
Speaker 3: Like what are we doing here? Yeah that's so true.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm always the last.
Speaker 1: To leave, so like, I yeah, I feel like I
Speaker 1: wait for people.
Speaker 3: But that's yeah, I'm pissed. You got to give a talk.
Speaker 3: He's going to get a talk. He's getting a talk anyway.
Speaker 3: I don't know this was a good actor.
Speaker 2: The wife's a dumb bitch, Like why are people so
Speaker 2: lenient with pedophilia and torture? Like and like even if
Speaker 2: he didn't have a body of a body victim, I
Speaker 2: don't you think a torture room would be grounds for divorce?
Speaker 2: Like is that how desperate the state of the world is?
Speaker 2: You're just you listen, it's a torture room. It's fine.
Speaker 2: What are we doing here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's because I want to know did she
Speaker 1: know about the torture room? And if that's you finding
Speaker 1: out for the first time or you're not, like okay,
Speaker 1: but honey, I think you spent like a million dollars
Speaker 1: on your hobby and didn't tell me anything, like on
Speaker 1: your fantasy or whatever you're calling it, you know, like
Speaker 1: so and to show up in court every single day
Speaker 1: to support Now she's something she's pilled up or something
Speaker 1: she's not following.
Speaker 2: Well, she reminds me of Martin Schwart's wife in that episode.
Speaker 1: Yes, Sebastian, Yeah, yeah, she's like he loves.
Speaker 3: Me, but yeah, good fucked up.
Speaker 1: But like again, now that we have this shitty government
Speaker 1: for the next four years, it does make me wonder
Speaker 1: like what kind of stuff Not obviously to the point
Speaker 1: of making a torture room, but I don't know. This
Speaker 1: kind of thing makes you think about, like what can
Speaker 1: you be get in trouble for saying or thinking or
Speaker 1: like you're you're if you're putting out weird shit on
Speaker 1: the internet, Like I think he's gonna fucking punish people
Speaker 1: that are writing shit on the internet. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: we are about to be punished for thought crime soon.
Speaker 1: Maybe allegedly he's fucking rich loser dorks and the men
Speaker 1: who have such a warped idea of well, I didn't
Speaker 1: watch I didn't watch any of the podcast you saw.
Speaker 3: Jeff Ross was at the inauguration. He was, yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean I.
Speaker 2: Followed I should have a long time ago, Like yeah.
Speaker 3: That means I can't go to his How any morny
Speaker 3: is such a nice pool, forget it. I'm not going.
Speaker 2: Oh no, It's like the line needs to be drawn
Speaker 2: because we're gonna be seen as crazy. Like I already
Speaker 2: saw this podcast that I really like the two guys
Speaker 2: being like, stop, you don't get Carrie Underwood, like what
Speaker 2: like you would say no if the sitting president asks
Speaker 2: for an interview, you do it. It's a it's a
Speaker 2: bucketless thing. Why are you blaming people? And it's like
Speaker 2: I would never sit down with a psychopath like that,
Speaker 2: Like no, stop saying that. Stop normalizing it. And they're
Speaker 2: making us seem alarmist and wild and how everything is normal,
Speaker 2: like oh you're And it's like, no, making this seem
Speaker 2: normal or not a big deal or business as usual
Speaker 2: is the craziest thing of all, and that we can't
Speaker 2: let them gaslight us.
Speaker 3: My My one cool.
Speaker 2: Thing is I get to go on stage all the
Speaker 2: time and there's people from other places and I get
Speaker 2: to say crazy shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you get it. That is good
Speaker 1: your help. Maybe you're changing anybody's mind.
Speaker 3: I know they probably go.
Speaker 2: Back home and go we we need to we need
Speaker 2: we need to put leashes on the women.
Speaker 3: Put it in.
Speaker 1: But there's a comedy in New York. They let him
Speaker 1: talk into mics. We got to stop this before it
Speaker 1: gets here. But there was so there's a comic.
Speaker 2: You know this is but they do more like more music,
Speaker 2: so like they do kind of sing songy crowd or
Speaker 2: like it's kind of a show. It's you know, it's different.
Speaker 2: And they were he was like, oh, how's the crowd?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, honey, I don't we do different things.
Speaker 2: I just told him I want rich people's blood in
Speaker 2: the street. It's like, I think you'll be fine with
Speaker 2: your callin callin. Think you and your ukulele will be fine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but people liked it. I don't know, but I think
Speaker 2: that's like all I have until my voice is taken
Speaker 2: away is how I feel. And I'm privileged, Like it's
Speaker 2: not like I'm gonna be I'm not first under attack,
Speaker 2: but we have to be like there for all the
Speaker 2: people that are so vulnerable right now.
Speaker 3: But obviously I'm scared for my future too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, totally, and I'm scared I will be uh silenced.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch any of it because I was just like,
Speaker 1: I can't. My kids accidentally turned on the cable and
Speaker 1: it was on. I was like, get this off the TV.
Speaker 1: So I was like not watching any of it. But
Speaker 1: then I did see obviously the Hyle Hitler and all
Speaker 1: the comments underneath on CNN were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you guys will come up with anything. Just what you're saying,
Speaker 1: like gaslighting, acting like that's not what he's doing. And
Speaker 1: then like also just the fact that the four tech
Speaker 1: billionaires were in front of the cabinet members. They're upfront,
Speaker 1: they're in front of the people that he's chosen to
Speaker 1: lead the country is besos and whatever, all the if
Speaker 1: the Google guy and Musk and all of them, like
Speaker 1: and Zuckerberg, what a fucking fuck.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's, uh, we're gonna do our best the
Speaker 1: next four years, but I don't fucking know what's happening.
Speaker 3: Uh should we get into our what would sister peg do?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: Should we jump off a bridge?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I did like the Obama clip of him going what
Speaker 2: can we do to stop this? There was Yeah, he
Speaker 2: said it to George Bush when he walked on there
Speaker 2: and he was like, hey, what's up, like you know
Speaker 2: the deaf girl?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she uh so, she was like that. She
Speaker 3: said that Obama said what can we do to stop this?
Speaker 2: Or I wish there's something we could do to stop this,
Speaker 2: and like George giggled a little, you know, well I
Speaker 2: just saw a clip of Jenna Bush or yeah, she's
Speaker 2: the one on the Good Morning America or without with Hoda.
Speaker 2: So she said that she told Ben Stiller during his
Speaker 2: severance press that her mom's favorite movie is Zoolander. Barbara
Speaker 2: Bush's favorite movie is Zoolander. That's hilarious, but.
Speaker 1: Barbara is George's mom. Yeah, Laura Bush, Laura Bush, Sorry,
Speaker 1: Laura Bush. She said, like, that's hilarious. That's even more
Speaker 1: funny to me.
Speaker 2: She goes going around in circle people were like talking
Speaker 2: about movies and shash and she said she recently went Zoolander.
Speaker 3: I wonder who's going to take over for Hoda or you.
Speaker 2: Know right now they have such good people because in
Speaker 2: my head, I'm like Michelle Buteau. Yeah, would she want
Speaker 2: that but she's about to be in a movie, so yeah,
Speaker 2: So I mean, I don't know. I'll text her try
Speaker 2: to get some gos out of her.
Speaker 1: You got to be up at like four three am
Speaker 1: every day, but then you're done, but then you're with
Speaker 1: your kids and you're done. But she's also a workaholic,
Speaker 1: so she would still probably do stand up and figure
Speaker 1: out time how to film.
Speaker 2: But I wonder if she'd want something that daily or
Speaker 2: like coming in and out. I loved I loved it.
Speaker 3: I think about it.
Speaker 1: Did you you obviously saw this, but just in case
Speaker 1: she did this, Like interview with Hoda where she was
Speaker 1: talking about how when she worked at Channel four, which
Speaker 1: is New York NBC local affiliate, she was editing tapes.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know Michelle did that.
Speaker 1: And I have like similar experiences with people at NBC,
Speaker 1: like when I was a page, Like Hoda was so
Speaker 1: nice to me when I worked on the Today Show
Speaker 1: at the Olympics, and I was just like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is so sweet that like someone's telling her how nice
Speaker 1: she was to like the little people who like, quote
Speaker 1: unquote don't matter because we were bottom. I was, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was a PA runner at the Olympics, you know, like,
Speaker 1: you don't have to be nice to me, but she
Speaker 1: was really nice. But so was Matt Lauer. So you know,
Speaker 1: it takes all kinds. Uh, let's get into our web
Speaker 1: with sister peg do. Oh my god, I can't believe
Speaker 1: I didn't talk about this. We got to edit it
Speaker 1: into the beginning, I feel.
Speaker 3: No, we'll do it.
Speaker 2: This will be for the people that really fucking listen
Speaker 2: to the end. Okay, hopefully all of you. Okay. So
Speaker 2: I'm talking to this guy that like works within a
Speaker 2: spa whatever. So I'm like talking to someone mutuals mutuals,
Speaker 2: like it's like a gathering bonding over Simpson stuff. So
Speaker 2: then this person walks away that I've had probably a
Speaker 2: twenty minute great conversation with and they tell me, oh,
Speaker 2: do you know that he's punched a woman? And I go,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that, and then they go, yeah, he's
Speaker 2: also served a year in prison for stabbing someone, and
Speaker 2: I go wow.
Speaker 3: And then I was thinking.
Speaker 2: About like a few weeks prior, I was in a
Speaker 2: little tussle with someone and they were like, I know predators.
Speaker 3: That's not a predator.
Speaker 2: He's not a Like you really don't know, and it's
Speaker 2: like I couldn't believe that I had this moment of
Speaker 2: just like chatting and enjoying someone's company and being like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you recently punched a woman in the
Speaker 2: face and then you did stab someone.
Speaker 3: But I do believe in like, you know, rehabilitation and
Speaker 3: certain right.
Speaker 1: But but he pled he pled out to the punching
Speaker 1: and went, yeah, he pled out for the punch.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: Wow, did you know he's punched a woman?
Speaker 1: I did not.
Speaker 3: That is like wow, wow, wow wow. Yeah, it is hard.
Speaker 2: It's if it was just the punching or the stabbing
Speaker 2: and there was like more, I don't know, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: to have both them. Like I don't think we could
Speaker 2: talk about the Simpsons again. I know, I think I'm
Speaker 2: gonna step back from this.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm gonna take a big step back, but wish
Speaker 1: you well in your uh, you know, recovery and back
Speaker 1: to or what not not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, reintroduction into post incarceration. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't want people to go back to prison.
Speaker 1: But I'm also like, wow, you punch, you punched a woman.
Speaker 1: That's that's bad.
Speaker 2: But but then I'm thinking about all these firefighters and
Speaker 2: how I want them out, but yeah, a lot of them.
Speaker 2: I think it's more robbery, Like you can't be a
Speaker 2: firefighter if you assault it like sexual assault.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like there was no rape firefighter, Like I was.
Speaker 1: Thinking, it wasn't even like violent defenses at all, Like
Speaker 1: it wouldn't even be assault or battery or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But okay, well, honestly I'd love the update on the
Speaker 1: next time you run into this person.
Speaker 3: Well it's so funny.
Speaker 2: Then this person's like, make sure you tell nobody, and
Speaker 2: I was like, for sure, for sure, Yeah on the pod,
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