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Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Now get ready for another

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Speaker 1: episode of Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. You are

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Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me, Heidi Hollis here

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Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio at Coast to Coast a

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Speaker 1: m Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome to my show. Remember each

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Speaker 1: week you could come here to hear the most unique

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Speaker 1: conversations when it comes to your personal encounters with anything

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Speaker 1: and everything out of the ordinary. Be sure to visit

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Speaker 1: my main website, which is Heidi Hollis dot com. Send

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Speaker 1: me whatever it is that you'd like to share, comment on,

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Speaker 1: or even get advice on, send it through my main

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Speaker 1: website and I will address it here on the air

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Speaker 1: and always. If you'd like to be a guest on

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Speaker 1: this program, please indicate that I welcome anybody to come

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Speaker 1: here and share about whatever it is they would like

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Speaker 1: to When it comes to shedding some light on topics

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Speaker 1: we don't always discuss out in the open, and that's

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Speaker 1: just it. It is all about bringing these things out

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Speaker 1: into the open. There's nothing to be ashamed about. The

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Speaker 1: more we talk about these things, the more commonplace they

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Speaker 1: will become. So let's all get comfortable, let's settle down,

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Speaker 1: and let's just be human. Now. You may have noticed

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of this program that I introduced the

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Speaker 1: show as dark becomes Light versus the darker side of life,

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Speaker 1: because when you think about it, my books and the

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Speaker 1: about bringing things into the light, into a eighter space

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Speaker 1: to look to the more positive. Yes, these topics that

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Speaker 1: So why not change the whole show title to be

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Speaker 1: exactly what this show is about. So that's what we

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Speaker 1: I think it's a great move, and I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. I think it reflects more of who I

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Speaker 1: am and where we're going with all of this. Let

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Speaker 1: me know your thoughts about the change. My website is

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Speaker 1: not just about receiving your emails about what you're experiencing,

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Speaker 1: but I want your opinions. I want you to help

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Speaker 1: am all about keeping it real, remaining down to earth,

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Speaker 1: because I always say I'm someone who has been there,

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Speaker 1: seen that, experienced it, freaked out, found some answers, wrote

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Speaker 1: is quite the process. A lot of us who sit

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Speaker 1: behind these type of shows, we come from a place

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Speaker 1: but even if they're just researchers, they tend to have

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Speaker 1: wondering where did you come from? And let me show

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Speaker 1: you the truth. So I've been there. I've been through

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Speaker 1: and we'll get there together. Today and the last couple

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Speaker 1: Now getting to some of your emails, I've got one

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Speaker 1: explain or express these things. I have way more stories

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Speaker 1: very good? Hi, It's an honor and pleasure to be

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Speaker 1: made during the turn of the century. But once we

429
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: moved into the home, the presence in the house manifested

430
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: more malevolently. There would be a rancid stinch that would

431
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: fill my room at night, there would be a shadow figures.

432
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I had the whole gamut of paranormal experiences.

433
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean, everything except UFA production, thank god. But that's

434
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: where I begin. So, you know, using So, do you

435
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: find that significant that it always seems to be haunting

436
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: involves a little girl? Yeah, Um, I think in some

437
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: cases we are dealing with actual apparitions in terms of

438
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: disincarnate consciousness. Um. On the other hand, I do believe

439
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: that there are entities the parasitic nature that will manifest

440
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: as a little girl to get consent or to appear

441
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: to someone in an image that they would have compassion for.

442
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: And so I think one of both of those, you know,

443
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: they have their own roles in this aminon. But yeah,

444
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: that that is to be in particular, it was. It

445
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: was pretty wicked. Yeah, And I always say that definitely

446
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: allows you to let your guard down because like it's

447
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: just a little girl. I'm okay, what can a little

448
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: girl do to me? Exactly right, you know, And so

449
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: and most it was it was an interesting experience for me.

450
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: And you know, honestly, the only way I could cope

451
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: with what I was experiencing was to tell myself that

452
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: what I was experiencing was more of a language and

453
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: not just a manifestation of evil. And so, you know,

454
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: there were I mean, there was intense moments. I would

455
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: wake up sometimes and I would hear a full blown

456
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: conversation going on over my head, and so, you know,

457
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: it was it was a fascinating time. I'm not gonna

458
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: lie about that, but it was pretty haunting. No pun attendity,

459
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: my goodness. But did you have siblings or anyone that

460
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: you could then too? How did your parents take it?

461
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: It had pretty much shut me down. I had detached

462
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: myself from my film members my my parents were working.

463
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: I think it was like first shift. Yeah, so I

464
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: would be in school, you know, like when they were

465
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: at work, but they they would be in bed early,

466
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, And so that entity would usually manifest to

467
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: me at nighttime when I was alone. But there were

468
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: times where I would be like twelve years old, and

469
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: I'd be pulling my mattress off my bed and like

470
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: hoping they didn't see me sneak into their room. I

471
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: just you know, I didn't. I didn't want to be

472
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: alone with it, and it took me a while to

473
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: gain enough strength inwardly to confront it myself. So until then,

474
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: I was that annoying little kid, suppressed and suppressed and depressed.

475
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I was. It was a from what

476
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: I can tell this is just by the way it

477
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: victimized me during that time. It was it had a

478
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: depression on it, like it was very depressive, and it

479
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: was suicidal. Um And I know that for two reasons.

480
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't just okay, how did it make me feel

481
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: when I was in that house, But the spirit of

482
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: suicide of people that deal with it is it's got

483
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: like a soft spot in my heart. I Mean, I've

484
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: been in restaurants before and people have sat down and

485
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: I immediately known I begin to talk to them and

486
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: and kind of not really minister to them in a

487
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: sense of like evangelical wise, but just talk to their heart,

488
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: you know. And it's almost like a gift of discernment.

489
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: And I can pick it up easier now than I

490
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: would have, you know, and if I never went through

491
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: what I went through in that house exactly. So in

492
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: your background is as a minister, correct, Yeah. Yeah, I

493
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: priest all across the country, and I just I just

494
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: kind of got burnt out on it, and I saw

495
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: a lot of things that people don't usually see behind

496
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: the scenes, and I decided to take everything that I've

497
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: been given and help people in a secular form. You know,

498
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: in the houses and stuff, so not just at a

499
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: local local church. I say, so you moved it into

500
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: a more personal level for yourself and get your message

501
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: across absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, because I think that everybody, everybody

502
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 1: hurts in different ways, and you don't have to be

503
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: religious to be hunted. So I've decided to front the

504
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: darkness head on and exactly for yourself and others. How

505
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: did this become where you are now? A demonologist of sorts? What?

506
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: How do you do this? How do you call this?

507
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: Pretty deep? Yeah? I didn't punched the ticket myself. How

508
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: about that? I know? Um, you know, I constantly went

509
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: back in my mind and tried to understand what it

510
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: was I experienced, why I was experiencing, and and no

511
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: one else in my family was. And I knew I

512
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: wasn't crazy. I knew it was all real, but I

513
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: didn't understand what it was supposed to meet. And so

514
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: that's when I began my research into demonology as a study.

515
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: And so you know what I've been doing recently? Has

516
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: it been filling my mind with ancient manuscripts going back

517
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: to Suoner, Mesopotamia, the Acadian texts uh the Origin of

518
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: the Unclean spirit in the Bible, and I'm trying to

519
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: get a better understanding of what our ancestors and antiquity

520
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: he believed regarding possessing entities, demonology and rather or not,

521
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: I do believe it does, but whether or not it

522
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: plays a role in you know, the twenty one century

523
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: paranormal field. So that's that's where my my study is

524
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: at this moment. Fascinating. So your research into demons and

525
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: unclean spirits, there's a twist you believe that's connected to implant.

526
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: The implant in history, um, it originated through necromancing. And

527
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: so if we go into the Old Testament, we have

528
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: the character in Genesis. His name's Laban, and he was

529
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: he was quote unquote an idolater. And when I was

530
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: growing up in church, I kept hearing that an idolater,

531
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: and I just thought that he made figurines honestly and

532
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: worshiped them, and I wish that was the case. But no,

533
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: Laban worshiped what we're called family gods. And so he

534
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: was a necromancer. So what would happen is they would

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00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: have a family member die and then they would bury

536
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: that family member underneath their house, and then they would

537
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: create an idol in the image. This is why you

538
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: always said, don't make an image of me. This is

539
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: very interesting. But then they would create an image, a

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00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: metallic image of that dead ancestor, with the intention of

541
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: the consciousness of that deceased person inhabiting the statue they're creating.

542
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: And they were called taraffing. And so then this is

543
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: very interesting too. Laban would go out, he would find

544
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: a victim it was. It could have been a murder victim,

545
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: it could have been somebody that fell at his own

546
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: hand um, and he would take them into his house.

547
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: This is very important because these entities are fully aware

548
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: of this. And you can tell I'm getting passionate hiding,

549
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, uh uh. They're very much aware

550
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: of this reality, and many times argumentologists aren't. And that's,

551
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, until we get down in the dirt of this.

552
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: But so Laban would take the victim, he would take

553
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: the head, he would bury it in the wall, and

554
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: then he would take a metallic bar and carve the

555
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: name of an unclean spirit on it. Then he would

556
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: take that bar and implant it underneath the tongue and

557
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,959
Speaker 1: that consciousness that had left the body. The Bible calls

558
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: it a wind um our. Ancestors also called it. They

559
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: called it unclean air. It's the consciousness that leaves the

560
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: body of death. But that consciousness of the ancestor would

561
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: then possess that head and speak to Laban by virtue

562
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: of necromancy. And so there is a strain of evil

563
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: at least that we are encountering in homes that is

564
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: aware that these are necromantic entities. I will say this,

565
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: like when we have um Andrea prone in the conjuring

566
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: house and her mother was awoken one night, this is

567
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: very interesting, and there were shadow figures saying there are

568
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: seven dead soldiers buried in the wall. Right, Why are

569
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: they're referring to that? To us? Of course, who are

570
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: the twenty one century? Now we're removed from that period

571
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: of history where you know, we don't understand exactly what

572
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: they're referring to. They're referring to family gods. This is incredible.

573
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: And so that was the origin of the metallic implant.

574
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: And so you know, it's that kind of research that

575
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm doing because I do believe that in order to

576
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: understand the game they're playing, we have to understand their rules.

577
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: And I think that in many cases in history, we've

578
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: seen glimpses of those rules at play. How disturbing. Wow, Well,

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Speaker 1: who was just talking in depth about necromancy and family gods,

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Speaker 1: which is mind blowing. It really does take things to

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Speaker 1: a whole other level and ball game like you were describing.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's a whole different ball game

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Speaker 1: for us as researchers. And the scariest thing is that

626
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: these entities are very knowledgeable about rights and rituals to

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Speaker 1: faces and we will not understand exactly what's going on

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Speaker 1: um now like like, for for instance, I was a

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Speaker 1: of us are. The exorcist that worked with a Vatican

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Speaker 1: for many years. But in his book Hostage to the Devil,

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Speaker 1: he mentions that how he was performing in exorcist him

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Speaker 1: and he said the Lord's prayer back, or he said

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Speaker 1: the Lord's prayer. That's what it was he said the

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Speaker 1: Lord's prayer during the exorcism, and it was a successful

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00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: exorcism um in that regard. But he went home that night,

638
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: was sleeping and he was he woke up. He heard

639
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Speaker 1: a noise and he turns around and again, just like

640
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: the parents, he sees this time it was foreshadow figures

641
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: that were speaking in unison. They were saying the Lord's

642
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: prayer backwards stand And I didn't understand why they would

643
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: do this because I'm thinking, Okay, these are these guys.

644
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: Don't waste time, you know, They're not just there to

645
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: scare him. That was that had a lot going on

646
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: with it. So I began to research that. And it

647
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: wasn't until I got into the sixteenth century in the

648
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: age of the demoniac, and I went into the d

649
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: book literature um the d book phenomenon for those who

650
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: aren't aware, because I wasn't either. But it's not just

651
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: tethered to a wine box um literally and I'm not

652
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: like intentionally trying to terrify people. But the word deep book,

653
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: the entire concept of the dibbot or deep book is

654
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: literally the impregnation of the dead and the bodies of

655
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: the living. And again when we think about that, we

656
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: think about the idol, Right, it's possessed, it's speaking, it

657
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: has an image. Well, in the d book Phenomenon, there

658
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: is an exorcist. His name is Isaac Luria. Isaac Luria

659
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: was famous for his rituals, was very successful, and he

660
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: would go into the homes of these demoniacs and he

661
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: would whisper in their ear prayers forward and backwards. And

662
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: that was just one of his ways that he would, uh,

663
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, get rid of that entity. So what exactly

664
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: were they trying to do to Malichai Martin? Right? Were

665
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: they just mocking him um or that were they damaged

666
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: reading their knowledge of this this exorcistic right? Or more importantly,

667
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: were they performing their own ritual as spiritual warfare against him?

668
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: And So that's why I'm doing this research and I

669
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: think hopefully it will be a contribution to the field. Yeah,

670
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: and it kind of connects the dots between the demonic

671
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: and alien abductions with these implants. Yeah, and it's it's

672
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: something personally I've I've researched and coming into the know

673
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: of shadow people and how they were connected to aliens

674
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: and the human soul and this whole game with the

675
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: hat man. So what is the moltors? What does that

676
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: name mean? Well, the motors it is a self replicating

677
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: species of evil. These are like like okay, some people

678
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: would call them nepheline, some people would call them uh demons,

679
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: in the sense that they would possess people. In order

680
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: to define what a moltor is is, we have to

681
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: first define what possession as a phenomenon is. So possession

682
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: is necromancy. It is when that entity that has died

683
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: is disincarnate, tries to common deer the consciousness of another

684
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: human being. And so what they will do is they

685
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: will step into the skin of that individual and will

686
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: wear them as a second self. A matter of fact,

687
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: Fritz Cramer calls it the social skin. And whenever that

688
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: entity is done living in the skin of another human

689
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: it will mold them like an insect, like a cicada

690
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: or a what is it a locust, And when it

691
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: molds them, it leaves that skin and it will go

692
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: to another one. And so we would define that as

693
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: transient possession. The motors, however, are not um like transient

694
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: in a way that they possess p bowl. They they

695
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: used possession as a form of pregnancy. This is very important, guys.

696
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: So let's go back to the sixteenth century and a

697
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: deboot phenomenon. What would begin as an incibbus case to

698
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 1: a woman like okay, So a woman would be sleeping

699
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: and a spirit would appear to her in the form

700
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: of a man. He would coerce her into a physical

701
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: relationship and making this PG right, a coercer in the

702
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: physical relationship. The next day that woman would be would

703
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: then be possessed by that incibbus spirit. I didn't know

704
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: that was connected, right until I got into the sixteenth

705
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: century and started going down these case studies. Yeah, So

706
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: then you would have the woman going to the exorcist.

707
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 1: The exorcist would begin to communicate with the possessing entity

708
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: and then look in her belly, and her belly you

709
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: could see the entity was crawled up in the fetal

710
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: position and it looked like she was pregnant with the entity.

711
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: And so that led the exorcists to ask the question

712
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: whether which she pregnant or possessed by it? And so

713
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: that's why we have to understand its researchers at least

714
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: with possession. Is that what we would call possession, these

715
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: entities called pregnancy, and that's why it's so healthy and

716
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: I can go deep and deep and deep. But that's

717
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: why we have to keep looking at the missing fetus

718
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: syndrome in the UFO of duction phenomenon. We have to

719
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: look at why it was uh that that like Father

720
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: sent Astoria of Amina and Franciscan priest, he would have

721
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: incupied cases where they would actually go and collect biological

722
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: samples left from the incubi spirit and so which tells

723
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: us one thing is this is very interesting, guys that

724
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: the entities, these incubi entities are not just interested in

725
00:48:53,719 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: a relationship, They're interested in pregnancy. That takes for amina too.

726
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: Of course it doesn't. I mean that the total uh,

727
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: Like you're mentioning about the missing fetuses and what it

728
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: what I was told about that going on is that

729
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: these babies are being born loyal to the dark side

730
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: because we're created by them. So so this it's I

731
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: got chills because I'm like, I know this, this is yes,

732
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: and I wasn't well this from the alien side, but

733
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,479
Speaker 1: you know, tomato, tomato, angels, aliens, you know. So I'm

734
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm feeling you and I'm just I'm all in it.

735
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: So I I see where you're coming from. Yeah, it's um,

736
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: it's a terrifying tale of apocalyptic evil. And like even

737
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: if we go go back into the biblical antiquity and

738
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: we go to Genesis six and the nepheline, see, this

739
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: is very interesting too because if you strip all of

740
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: the vowels out of the word nepheline, you know, because

741
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: us when they wrote that passage description, they didn't have vows.

742
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: So if you take that word itself in Hebrew and

743
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: the full it just means unexplained unplanned pregnancy society. Really yeah,

744
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: and so what these entities were doing in Genesis as

745
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: they were impregnating women, um, taking the consciousness out of

746
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: the child and placing their own in it. Now we

747
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: got time, We got like like two minutes yet, all right,

748
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna break it down. So Genesis six, when you're

749
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: reading the King James version, it's like reading Shakespearean English

750
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: pretty much is you know, thou by they and all

751
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: this stuff, And it's very difficult to get to the

752
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: bottom of what actually happened. And it's it's really interesting.

753
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: But if what I what I was doing one day

754
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: is I was trying to get it better, a better

755
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: understanding and grasp of the phenomenon in Genesis six, right,

756
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: who were the nepheline, why were they here? What were

757
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: they doing? And so I got into Genesis six and

758
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: I found a competic manuscript that was presturbed by Egyptian monks,

759
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: and it's called the Apocryphon of John. And in this

760
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: it says that these entities, now let's look at let's

761
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: look and see if this is kind of like you,

762
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: a full abduction. It's amazing. He said that these entities

763
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 1: waited until the wives. These women, he said, they waited

764
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: until their husbands left, very interesting, and then when the

765
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: husband was gone to get a bottle of wine or

766
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: maybe they had died a year before or whatever, that

767
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: entity would manifest to the woman as her husband, and

768
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: so it would change its appearance into her husband, and then,

769
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: like an incubus, would go in and try to coerce

770
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: her into a physical relationship. So then it says something

771
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: that really disturbs me. It says that at the moment

772
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: of conception, again keeping a PG man, they stared into

773
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: the eyes, hello you, a full abduction phenomenon into the

774
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: eyes of these women, and then reversed their apparition to

775
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: what they really looked like. And so again they're played

776
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: by different rules because they're playing a different game. What

777
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: what game they're playing, Well, let's look at the rules

778
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: they're employing. So when you go into what they were doing,

779
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: is that was an ancient obstructic tradition that whatever the

780
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: woman was focused on. The obstructed references to childbearing and fertility,

781
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: by the way, but the ritual they were performing was

782
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: basically whatever the woman was focused upon at the moment

783
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: of conception, usually her husband, it would that she would

784
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: create in her womb the material image of as a child.

785
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: So what they were doing is okay, right there, these

786
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: are moltors right here, these are these have the circular

787
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: pathology in them. But what they were doing is it

788
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: wasn't just trans possession. How do you write? This was

789
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: them literally creating a body that looks like their apparition

790
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: and then they would step into the skin, grow up

791
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: with the world as a child, and then that they

792
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: would be nephiling. And this is why the Hebrew were

793
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: fi games often employed. They were giant, but they were

794
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: also i e. Means to cease ancestor. These are formerly

795
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 1: human individuals and and I'll stop there, but it's such

796
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: a fascinating, amazing you know, we could talk forever. I

797
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: just love I love where you're going with everything. Quickly,

798
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: can you tell everybody how they could get ahold of

799
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: you and your information and your events you're going to

800
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: be having. My website is in j Gillis dot com

801
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: and you can also find me on Instagram as the

802
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Gillis and then on Facebook as the Nathaniel Gillis

803
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: And yeah, I have this year, I have conferences. Um,

804
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to be at the Dallas Para Con in

805
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: August and be on a panel of demonology with a

806
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: couple other great demonologists. And then I have I think

807
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: it's the New England Pair Con and then the Yeah,

808
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: I think it's the Ocean State Para Con too, So

809
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of them. That's awesome. Thank you

810
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: so much, Nathaniel Gillis. This was a fascinating talk. All right, everybody,

811
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Speaker 1: remember to go to my main website, which is Heidi

812
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: House dot com and some of your emails, your comments,

813
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Speaker 1: your questions about anything and everything out of the ordinary,

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