WEBVTT - Does This Fire Make Me Look Fat? 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:07.320 Hey, folks, A news anchor's wardrobe choices while covering the 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.959 LA fires has the Internet buzzing. Some of it's funny, 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.200 some of it's petty, some of it's uncalled for, but 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.520 it might be giving us a little more insight into 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:22.240 the anger, frustration, and pain people in LA are experiencing 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:24.880 right now. With that, Welcome to this episode of Amy 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:29.920 and TJ Rolds. We debated about getting into this conversation 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.440 at all, but what we're talking about here is a 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:36.559 guy that we know pretty well, you better than I, 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.479 but a former colleague who's choice of jacket and how 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.240 he was wearing it has everybody talking, So please do explain. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:43.839 That's right. 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:48.440 So, the anchor of ABC World News tonight, David Muir, 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:54.480 who often jumps on planes and heads straight into breaking 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:56.800 news tragedies. I've been on those planes with him, and 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.840 I've stood right next to him covering a lot of 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:04.480 this sort of news story, and I can attest to 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:08.000 the fact that he is a consummate professional. He takes 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:11.039 his job very seriously, and he works very hard not 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.399 just to get the information right, but to present it 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:18.160 in the best way possible. And look, he was covering 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:23.560 the wildfires, and there were hurricane force winds described as 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:29.720 almost tornatic. So he sinched his jacket, as many of 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.440 us have done in the field and on the set, 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.320 to create a cleaner line. 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.280 Wait, ropes, this is what we're talking about. This guy 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.120 is covered, this is the story, guys covering the fire, 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.360 people losing homes. He's standing on camera, he turns. People 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.160 see that he's sensed his jacket, and they're saying, he's 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.120 only doing this as a matter of vanity. That's where 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:53.880 we are. We're not talking about this stuff. You're doing 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.080 the studio. But I'm saying I'm trying to establish here 0:01:56.160 --> 0:02:00.800 that that he is being gripped for that reason. Should 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.040 he be or should he not be, we'll discuss. But 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.080 that's what it is. He got busted sinching his jacket. 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:08.840 And when people do that, they're usually trying to do. 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:13.560 What they are, trying to create a slimmer line. Look, 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.400 television is one of those. It's a visual medium. And 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.919 so yes, I have cinched my jacket. Have you sinched 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:20.520 your jacket? 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.960 Not once ever, and certainly not in the field. But 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.600 I've had plenty of people suggested, and I've had wardrobe 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.880 folks come out Janetta. If I'm wearing a sweater, She'll 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.359 even offer to do it. But no, I've never thought 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:32.600 about it. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.120 I'm actually I'm trying to think if I ever did 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.840 it in the field. I definitely, one hundred percent did 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.520 it on set. So you've got a boxy jacket, you 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:42.400 have like. 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:44.600 A sweater, yes, and it looks a little large. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.040 So I've had and I had a stylist and she 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.760 would come up behind me and she would since I 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.440 actually used a clothespin or a hairpin to since it. 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:54.920 I didn't do it. Someone did it for me. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.200 I don't believe I've ever done it in the field, 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.760 just because I've never had people to even check things out. 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.280 I really thought about it, and I think maybe that's 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.359 part of it too, just the thought that went into 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.840 the look of something. When you have a massive tragedy 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:12.919 unfolding behind you, with flames, people's homes, belongings, lives being lost, 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.400 to even be concerned about how you look seems like 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.120 a slap in the face to people who are dealing 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:24.080 with the worst possible situation. So I understand the anger 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.120 and the fact that they're hurling it at him because 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:31.120 they by seeing that clothespin. It looks like his focus 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.720 was on himself instead of on the story he was covering. 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:37.400 That's understandable. And the son of Ozzy Osborne, Jack Osbourne, 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.440 was somebody who got a lot of attention for posting 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:44.560 this on Twitter on X and he said, nice jacket, bro, 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:49.560 glad you look nice andce felt with those clothesline pegs 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.800 while our city burns to the ground. That's kind of 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.280 the sentiment. Some people are being a little funnier about it. 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.280 But if you're out there in LA and you don't know, 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.360 if you're on the run and you see this guy 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:05.480 on TV and it comes off, there's no question that's 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.360 it leaves a bad taste in the mouth of somebody 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.360 who is going through what they're going through in LA. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:11.600 There's no doubt about that. 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:12.360 Now. 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:16.600 I'll go further here in a second and possibly defend David, 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:21.480 but there is no I can't explain that away. I understand, 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.040 I get it. I got to understand that frustrations, but 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.480 he lives out there and this guy is wait a minute, 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:31.120 you're worried about that. Everybody has those jackets on, they're big, 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.840 they're boxing. I don't know, now, what did ABC say 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.120 or excuse me that there is no official statement. There 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.120 is no official statement, I should make that clear, but 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:42.320 there are rumblings out there about it why he might 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:42.880 have done this. 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:47.960 Well, as as we've pointed out, you know, anytime, especially 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:49.560 when it comes to a news organization, no one's going 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:51.200 to put their name behind it because they'd be fired 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.400 if they were talking to press about people who they 0:04:53.440 --> 0:05:00.600 work with or for. But insiders inside ABC have reportedly 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.480 given quotes to different news outlets or different entertainment outlets 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.880 saying that yes, he's a combination of Zoolander meets Anchorman 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:10.840 and that you're seeing the real David when you see 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.520 his vanity on full display. He didn't mean for you 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:18.279 to see it because he turned to reference burning massive 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.000 flames taking over a home, and when he did the turn, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.640 you could see the clothespin. So they were kind of saying, yeah, 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.320 he's been exposed something we've all known for a very 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.320 long time, and now you all get to see it. 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.479 So yes, people absolutely taking the opportunity to then say 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.320 how they really feel about him or what they really 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.080 think this means, and what people are seeing is actually 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.520 what they've witnessed for years. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.920 Look, some give you a more idea of what's out there. Now. 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.000 That quote I gave you was from the Twitter or 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.200 that tweet we still come tweets. 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.440 Yeah, but it's X but we can say they tweet. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.799 It still tweets. David Muir of ABC cares more about 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.559 how he looks than reporting the news. Mainstream media are scum. 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.760 So a lot of people are obviously taking advantage or 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:04.839 taking the opportunity to take shots at the media. And 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:06.880 it's a lot of left and right kind of stuff 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.480 out there. But I mean, he gave him some low 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:10.040 hanging group. 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:10.640 Yeah. 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.400 Donald Trump Junior even jumped in saying, David Muir, the 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:17.320 supposed moderator of my father's presidential debate who instead chose 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.839 to be a participant, is so vain that as people 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:23.880 in Los Angeles are losing everything, he used clothes pins 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.839 to make his fake fireman's jacket more form fitting. Sick 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.360 And then he went on to say, David Muir, Oh, 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.000 is this is someone else? David Muir is a national 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.800 embarrassment that's from someone else, But people are piling on, 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:39.840 jumping on and well hurling shots at him. 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.400 ABC News reporter David Muir's top priority during the fires 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.320 in California was apparently looking good on TV. No matter 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.880 how much you hate the media, it's not enough. These 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:58.560 people are disgusting the other. The frustration is understandable. I mean, 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:05.560 upset at the governor, at the mayor. They're upset at 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.480 then upset of the firefighters. Those guys are out there, 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.160 guys and gals are out their busts and their butts. 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:16.000 But there's frustration to seeing your life go up in flames. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.120 Or a guy like Billy Crystal. I'm just only saying 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.160 him because I remember he's talking about forty six years 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:23.000 in a home and it's gone. Now you have people 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.360 who have lost everything. They don't have anything except whatever 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.200 they ran out of that house with. And for a story, 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.400 it just stings. It has to hurt to some degree. 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:37.920 But the perspective might be missing if you're just reading tweets, 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.840 the perspective might be missing in that oftentimes, and I 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.640 don't know if he does travel with a producer or 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.000 even a wardrobe person sometimes whose job is you might 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.000 be looking at your phone getting the latest, or on 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.200 the phone, or looking at notes or doing something and 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:56.880 people are pulling and plugging things onto you. The mic 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.960 and the IFB and all these things. You don't even 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:00.960 know what's happening to you, and someone could have made 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.840 the decision to just let me do this with the jacket. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.680 We just don't know. But just a little context. The 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.280 guy works his butt off. If you don't like what 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.000 he did, find it just this is a lot to 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:13.880 be piling on to. 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.720 This, That's what I was trying to allude to. 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.160 I guess starting it out just with the perspective of 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.880 knowing him personally and knowing how hard he works and 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.040 how much he does care about the stories he reports on, 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.320 and also making note of the fact that this is 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:31.200 a visual medium. 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.880 And I was telling you, you. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.240 Know, look when we're when we're in tragedies and I'm 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.120 out in the field, and I have certainly covered more 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.960 than I even care to remember of the worst possible 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.240 types of stories. You know, I ended up slicking my 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.160 hair back in a pony tail because I didn't want 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:49.360 to have a distracted like hair style like you know 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.680 you where I was aware at least, and I think 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:55.079 most of us are aware that heavy makeup and overdone 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.400 hair and worrying about your wardrobe when you're talking about 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.240 mass shootings or a yes. In this case, a massive 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:05.280 wildfire taking lives and homes and property and destroying people's. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:07.520 Entire communities. 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.400 You would hope that journalists wouldn't really be thinking too 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.160 much about how they look in that moment and care 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:19.240 more about getting crucial, potentially life saving information to folks. 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:20.880 And at least, I mean, you think about this. 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.200 If you're home, you've had to evacuate, you don't know 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:25.960 what's going on, you can't get close to your home. 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.559 A lot of these folks who are directly affected are 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:33.120 watching the TV NonStop. They are glued to their televisions 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:34.840 trying to see if they can get a glimpse of 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.960 their community, their street, their friends and neighbors, and their homes. 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.719 So they're watching and looking at every detail, trying to 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.679 see if they can get an idea of what's going on. 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:48.040 And then they see someone who is supposed to be 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.520 there helping get that information to them seemingly care more 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:56.720 about his presentation and how he looks than what's actually 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:57.600 going on behind him. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.400 And I think you know, and I understand that, and 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.400 I know you have to take great care. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.839 I have taken great care as a journalist to not 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.760 seem as though I'm concerned about how I look in 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.080 that moment. We all look different on the scene of 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.160 these sorts of tragedies than. 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:12.880 We do on the set. 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:16.640 On the set, we've got hair and makeup and nice 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.320 suits and fitted clothing. But when you're out there, it's 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:21.040 just a very different environment. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.480 But you use several words that I would love to unpack, 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:28.560 as you hate when it's said, but you said, we 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:33.079 said the word seemingly care more about use the word 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.920 if an acre is worried, more about how they look, 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.800 the seeming and the worry that coming off, as if 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.240 you care about your appearance, versus caring about your appearance 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.920 every single person. Every place I've ever been, I've been 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.040 out there in the middle of a tornado or something, 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.600 and in the mids's about to go live, and I 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.200 walk past the live truck and I'll still kind of 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.080 look in at the reflection out of the window, just 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.480 to see if my jacket is on straight or something. 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.600 So the idea that people are even in the midst 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:10.120 of a tragedy or about to anchor a main evening broadcast, 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.640 wouldn't give a damn about how they look. It's just 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.560 unreasonable now to what degree should they care is the issue, 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.480 and then to what degree should they come off like 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.440 they caring is then a separate issue. But of course 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.280 he has to pay attention and care about how he 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.600 looks before he goes on TV. But if you saw 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.000 a guy your house is on fire, and you see 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.880 a guy over there with a mirror brushing his hair, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.120 and the I'm doing all this before he goes on 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.520 and reports about your tragedy, that's gonna pis you off. 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.200 Yeah, that makes total sense. Yeah, it was funny when 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:42.600 you said that. 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.560 I remember I have because when you're out in the field, 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.920 you don't necessarily well, you don't have any of the 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:52.480 normal sorts of either the people to help you make 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.600 sure you're not disheveled. So yeah, I've actually looked in 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.640 the lens of the camera before I went on because 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.320 it's slightly reflective to make sure that my hair wasn't 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.520 sticking out crazy, especially if there are high winds. I mean, 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:06.400 I've reported on too many hurricanes to even count, And yeah, 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.600 you've got winds whipping and rain in your face, Like, 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.440 do I have mascara like falling down my face? Is 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:17.200 my hair like in a crazy place? Because or like 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.560 literally the reflection of the camera lens, just to make 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.280 sure that I'm not looking disheveled. 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:24.439 I was telling you this. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.559 Someone once said, don't ever apologize for just doing that 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.239 one last check to make sure you don't. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.880 Have something sticking out or something looking. 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.320 Strange, because if you do, this is the truth, folks 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.800 at home who are watching will go, oh my god, 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.520 look at her hair or what's going on with her face, 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.280 and they won't hear anything you said. And so I 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.679 was told, just make sure your appearance isn't a distraction. 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.640 And so that was kind of the lane I tried 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.480 to stay in when I was covering these things. It's 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.440 not about looking good or looking glamorous in any way, 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:59.360 or looking like thin, whatever you want an adjective you. 0:12:59.280 --> 0:12:59.920 Want to put on there. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.440 It was about not being a distraction. And that was 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.920 kind of what I always thought about before. I want 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.640 to just make sure nothing I'm wearing or nothing about 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.720 my appearance is distracting. 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.160 Good or bad. Actually, because there have been some distractions 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.280 that people have done, like that's not a good jacket. 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:18.920 Why does she go with that? Like intentional? 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:21.720 They'll be just appropriate. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.040 Clothing is a huge part of it. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:24.880 You don't want to wear a bright color when you're 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.160 talking about something sad like. There were all these things 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.480 that go into consideration when you're covering things that are 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.559 heavy and tough and scary and important. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.280 You don't your. 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:38.280 Clothing choices, how you wear your hair, how much makeup 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.640 you have on. All of that is considered before you 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:42.760 get in front of the camera. 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:53.360 I do want to give credit to this. I don't 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.200 know who this young lady is. I should looked at 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.000 a profile. Maybe she was a comedian, but her response 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.839 in a tweet about was oh my god, leave David 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:05.319 and you're alone. His felt figure and Miss America hands 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.839 maybe the only sliver of happiness people see amongst the 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:13.560 horrific devastation of this catastrophe. Soften the blow, people, soften 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:13.959 the blow. 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.160 I mean, that's some humorous perspective there. And the one 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.720 thing I you and I have discussed this, the one 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.560 thing that did not ring true for me that I 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:27.960 didn't love seeing as a potential response or defense, was 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:32.760 that somehow using the clothes pin to tighten his jacket 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:38.400 helped with the audio that for me didn't really ring true. 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.280 I have been in plenty of hurricanes, I know you 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.000 have done a lot of tornado coverage in your days. 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:48.920 I've never ever pinned a jacket because of the wind. 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.440 You could have maybe I've actually had like a necklace 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.440 or something kind of bang on the you know that. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.640 Can you take that necklace off because it might hit 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:02.040 the microphone? Certainly there are things to conc with the microphone, 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:03.600 and a wind guard. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.800 Is really usually good enough. 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.840 So we all, when we're all reporting in whether of 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:13.080 any kind, our amazing audio guys and gals will give 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.240 us a windscreen and you put that on top of 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.360 the mic, or if you're holding a mic. 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.040 It wind what was the wind gonna it is gonna 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:22.040 be flapping too loud? 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:27.240 That is that is simply a response that did not 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.960 ring true for me, and that was I think unfortunate 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.280 because that seemed like a desperate attempt to explain away 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.920 something that we all know the truth to. He wanted 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:41.280 his or someone wanted his jacket to not be his 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:42.800 boxy for whatever reason. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.680 Let me ask you directly, if he asked for it 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.560 to be pinned for that specific reason, should we still 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:51.280 be taking him. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.560 I don't think he deserves the hate he's getting. I mean, 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.400 I'm looking at some of the stuff on Twitter, the 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.720 new face of being a douche. The next one, as 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.000 I've been saying for a while now, David Muir is 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:08.040 a douche. I don't think that that is fair or 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.920 appropriate in any way, and especially from people who've never 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.600 actually had to be on television every day where your image, 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:23.160 your looks are constantly being critiqued or acknowledged, and so 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.520 you might have a hyper awareness about that, and so 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.240 he wanted his jacket to fit better. 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.200 That is what I believe happened. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.240 And both of those things can be true. That you 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:38.160 care about your appearance while also caring about the story 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.880 you're doing and busting your butt on the story you're doing. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.000 Those both two things can be true. But we have 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.480 to I still will acknowledge. It looks bad now, understand 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.120 for people, especially those out there who are going through 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.200 that hell. I understand, you know what. 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:55.560 I wanted to share something that I experienced very early 0:16:55.600 --> 0:17:00.160 on in my career, and it's not exactly the same situation, 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.560 but it makes sense to me. When people are living 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:08.080 through the worst moments of their life, that's all they're 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.840 thinking about, that's all they care about, and that's understandable. 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:17.040 I was in bond court and we were there covering 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:22.119 and waiting for a specific prisoner to come out. He 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.800 was accused of something horrific. But when you're in bond court, 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.560 there are a lot of people, family members even, who 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.440 are there waiting to see their loved ones come out 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:34.200 because they've been accused of a crime. We were in 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.399 the hallway, a bunch of US reporters and cameramen waiting 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.840 for this particular person to come out, and you know, 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.199 someone had told a joke about something that happened the 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.399 night before, and we were laughing. We were just in 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:50.680 our own world and we were walking into the bond court, 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.520 into the courtroom, and I was laughing at something that 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.240 someone else had said. A woman stood up and said, 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.639 you think this is funny, You think this is funny. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:00.800 And I think she believed that we were there for 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.879 her or her loved one, and she actually jumped on me, 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.480 knocked me to the ground and almost threw a punch 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:09.199 in my face, except for the bailiff was able to 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.679 pull her out and the judge got involved, and anyway, 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.000 it was fine. I didn't get hit, but with my 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.000 heart was pounding, I was just like, how dare this woman? 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:18.840 And then I stepped back to think about it in 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:23.239 her mind, in her world, we were laughing when she 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.680 was in pain. We weren't being considerate of where she 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.760 was in her life, in her world in that courtroom, 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:31.919 and it was lost on me in that moment I 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:37.080 wasn't on camera. But still sometimes as journalist we don't 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:44.119 realize just how impacted people feel when they see something 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:48.080 that we're doing that we don't realize is somehow, in 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:49.120 some way offending them. 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:54.560 I get that. I'm just going back to David and 0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:00.800 the offense. Is it still an insight told if nobody 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:07.680 knew about it, Is he still disrespecting the community, if 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.280 he made sure he looked a certain way or the 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.520 way he wanted to look on TV? I don't know 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:14.639 the answer to that. I'm just saying those are the 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:18.560 things we are now debating in the that Like you say, 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.520 to your point, that woman in that room, these folks 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:25.359 in California, this is this is my time, in one 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.520 of the worst days of my life, and whatever's going 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:29.919 on in your world right now, you need to be 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.440 respectful because I'm having the worst day than you are. 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.640 And you know what I think that's what it is. 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:41.680 You nailed it, and we all see things through our 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.960 own lens. David sees things through his lens that he 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.280 wanted to be presentable, He wanted to look his best, 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:51.359 even though obviously people were dealing with their worst. People 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.960 who are the victims of this fire are seeing things 0:19:55.000 --> 0:20:00.000 through their perspective, through their lens, and they it's it's 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.280 unthinkable to them that someone could even be considering their 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.000 appearance in the middle of all of this chaos, in 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:08.840 the middle of all of this tragedy, and that's unthinkable 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.680 to them. But it's I think we can all give 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.439 each other a break if you acknowledge that this is 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:19.800 about perspective, It's about your frame of reference, and the 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.960 fire victim's frame of reference is understandably vastly different than 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.760 David or any other reporter's frame of reference. 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:28.439 They have a job to do. 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.119 Well, folks, stay with us here when we come back, Robes, 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.720 I'm going to ask you this, would this story be 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:50.000 different if that anchor was a woman? All right, Welcome back, folks. 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:53.359 Here discussing what is being discussed in many circles, in 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:56.480 many places on social media, on the Internet, and very 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:58.840 much a fiery way. A lot of people talking about 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:04.000 ABC News anchor David Muir was seen on air having 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:08.040 the back of his fire jacket, since people thought he 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:11.080 cared more about his appearance than the people who are 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:13.840 losing everything there, but just was a bad look at 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:15.960