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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, A news anchor's wardrobe choices while covering the

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Speaker 1: LA fires has the Internet buzzing. Some of it's funny,

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Speaker 1: some of it's petty, some of it's uncalled for, but

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Speaker 1: it might be giving us a little more insight into

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Speaker 1: the anger, frustration, and pain people in LA are experiencing

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Speaker 1: right now. With that, Welcome to this episode of Amy

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Speaker 1: and TJ Rolds. We debated about getting into this conversation

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Speaker 1: at all, but what we're talking about here is a

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Speaker 1: guy that we know pretty well, you better than I,

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Speaker 1: but a former colleague who's choice of jacket and how

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Speaker 1: he was wearing it has everybody talking, So please do explain.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: So, the anchor of ABC World News tonight, David Muir,

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Speaker 3: who often jumps on planes and heads straight into breaking

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Speaker 3: news tragedies. I've been on those planes with him, and

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Speaker 3: I've stood right next to him covering a lot of

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Speaker 3: the fact that he is a consummate professional. He takes

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Speaker 3: his job very seriously, and he works very hard not

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Speaker 3: just to get the information right, but to present it

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Speaker 3: in the best way possible. And look, he was covering

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Speaker 3: the wildfires, and there were hurricane force winds described as

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Speaker 3: almost tornatic. So he sinched his jacket, as many of

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Speaker 3: us have done in the field and on the set,

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Speaker 3: to create a cleaner line.

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Speaker 1: Wait, ropes, this is what we're talking about. This guy

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Speaker 1: is covered, this is the story, guys covering the fire,

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Speaker 1: people losing homes. He's standing on camera, he turns. People

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Speaker 1: see that he's sensed his jacket, and they're saying, he's

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Speaker 1: only doing this as a matter of vanity. That's where

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Speaker 1: we are. We're not talking about this stuff. You're doing

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Speaker 1: the studio. But I'm saying I'm trying to establish here

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Speaker 1: that that he is being gripped for that reason. Should

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Speaker 1: he be or should he not be, we'll discuss. But

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. He got busted sinching his jacket.

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Speaker 1: And when people do that, they're usually trying to do.

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Speaker 3: What they are, trying to create a slimmer line. Look,

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Speaker 3: television is one of those. It's a visual medium. And

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Speaker 3: so yes, I have cinched my jacket. Have you sinched

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Speaker 3: your jacket?

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Speaker 1: Not once ever, and certainly not in the field. But

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Speaker 1: I've had plenty of people suggested, and I've had wardrobe

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Speaker 1: folks come out Janetta. If I'm wearing a sweater, She'll

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Speaker 1: even offer to do it. But no, I've never thought

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Speaker 3: I'm actually I'm trying to think if I ever did

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Speaker 3: it in the field. I definitely, one hundred percent did

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Speaker 3: it on set. So you've got a boxy jacket, you

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Speaker 2: A sweater, yes, and it looks a little large.

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Speaker 3: So I've had and I had a stylist and she

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Speaker 3: would come up behind me and she would since I

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Speaker 3: actually used a clothespin or a hairpin to since it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't do it. Someone did it for me.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe I've ever done it in the field,

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Speaker 3: just because I've never had people to even check things out.

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Speaker 3: I really thought about it, and I think maybe that's

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Speaker 3: part of it too, just the thought that went into

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Speaker 3: the look of something. When you have a massive tragedy

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Speaker 3: to even be concerned about how you look seems like

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Speaker 3: a slap in the face to people who are dealing

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Speaker 3: and the fact that they're hurling it at him because

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Speaker 3: they by seeing that clothespin. It looks like his focus

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Speaker 1: That's understandable. And the son of Ozzy Osborne, Jack Osbourne,

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Speaker 1: was somebody who got a lot of attention for posting

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Speaker 1: this on Twitter on X and he said, nice jacket, bro,

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Speaker 1: glad you look nice andce felt with those clothesline pegs

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Speaker 1: while our city burns to the ground. That's kind of

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Speaker 1: the sentiment. Some people are being a little funnier about it.

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Speaker 1: But if you're out there in LA and you don't know,

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Speaker 1: if you're on the run and you see this guy

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Speaker 1: on TV and it comes off, there's no question that's

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Speaker 1: it leaves a bad taste in the mouth of somebody

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I'll go further here in a second and possibly defend David,

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Speaker 1: but there is no I can't explain that away. I understand,

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Speaker 1: you're worried about that. Everybody has those jackets on, they're big,

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Speaker 1: they're boxing. I don't know, now, what did ABC say

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Speaker 3: Well, as as we've pointed out, you know, anytime, especially

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Speaker 3: when it comes to a news organization, no one's going

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Speaker 3: if they were talking to press about people who they

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Speaker 3: given quotes to different news outlets or different entertainment outlets

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Speaker 3: saying that yes, he's a combination of Zoolander meets Anchorman

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Speaker 3: and that you're seeing the real David when you see

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Speaker 3: his vanity on full display. He didn't mean for you

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Speaker 3: to see it because he turned to reference burning massive

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Speaker 3: he's been exposed something we've all known for a very

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Speaker 3: So yes, people absolutely taking the opportunity to then say

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Speaker 3: what they've witnessed for years.

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Speaker 1: Look, some give you a more idea of what's out there. Now.

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Speaker 1: That quote I gave you was from the Twitter or

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Speaker 1: that tweet we still come tweets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's X but we can say they tweet.

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Speaker 1: It still tweets. David Muir of ABC cares more about

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Speaker 1: how he looks than reporting the news. Mainstream media are scum.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of people are obviously taking advantage or

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of left and right kind of stuff

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump Junior even jumped in saying, David Muir, the

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Speaker 3: supposed moderator of my father's presidential debate who instead chose

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Speaker 3: And then he went on to say, David Muir, Oh,

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Speaker 1: ABC News reporter David Muir's top priority during the fires

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Speaker 1: in California was apparently looking good on TV. No matter

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Speaker 1: how much you hate the media, it's not enough. These

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Speaker 1: people are disgusting the other. The frustration is understandable. I mean,

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Speaker 1: guys and gals are out their busts and their butts.

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Speaker 1: But there's frustration to seeing your life go up in flames.

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Speaker 1: Or a guy like Billy Crystal. I'm just only saying

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Speaker 1: But the perspective might be missing if you're just reading tweets,

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Speaker 1: the perspective might be missing in that oftentimes, and I

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Speaker 1: people are pulling and plugging things onto you. The mic

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Speaker 1: and the IFB and all these things. You don't even

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Speaker 1: We just don't know. But just a little context. The

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Speaker 2: This, That's what I was trying to allude to.

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Speaker 3: I guess starting it out just with the perspective of

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Speaker 2: And I was telling you, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, look when we're when we're in tragedies and I'm

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Speaker 3: You would hope that journalists wouldn't really be thinking too

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Speaker 2: And at least, I mean, you think about this.

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Speaker 3: If you're home, you've had to evacuate, you don't know

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Speaker 3: So they're watching and looking at every detail, trying to

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Speaker 2: And I think you know, and I understand that, and

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Speaker 2: I know you have to take great care.

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Speaker 3: I have taken great care as a journalist to not

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Speaker 2: We do on the set.

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Speaker 3: On the set, we've got hair and makeup and nice

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Speaker 1: But you use several words that I would love to unpack,

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Speaker 1: as you hate when it's said, but you said, we

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Speaker 1: the seeming and the worry that coming off, as if

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Speaker 1: every single person. Every place I've ever been, I've been

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Speaker 3: Someone once said, don't ever apologize for just doing that

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Speaker 1: Good or bad. Actually, because there have been some distractions

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Speaker 1: I do want to give credit to this. I don't

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's some humorous perspective there. And the one

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Speaker 3: I have been in plenty of hurricanes, I know you

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Speaker 2: I've never ever pinned a jacket because of the wind.

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Speaker 3: So we all, when we're all reporting in whether of

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you directly, if he asked for it

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Speaker 3: I don't think he deserves the hate he's getting. I mean,

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Speaker 1: And both of those things can be true. That you

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Speaker 1: I get that. I'm just going back to David and

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Speaker 2: And you know what I think that's what it is.

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Speaker 3: You nailed it, and we all see things through our

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Speaker 2: They have a job to do.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you this, would this story be

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Speaker 1: Here discussing what is being discussed in many circles, in

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Speaker 1: You think this would be any different.

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Speaker 2: I do think it would be different.

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Speaker 3: I do think that people almost it sounds awful, but

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Speaker 3: to since your jacket would make sense because that's also

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Speaker 2: No one would say that.

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Speaker 3: To a woman who was covering a tragedy and had

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Speaker 3: So I do think if we're all being honest, I

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Speaker 1: Even possible this would have been a non story if

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Speaker 2: I think it is possible.

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Speaker 3: I think it is absolutely possible that it would be

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Speaker 2: That's my opinion.

439
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Speaker 1: What do you think, Well, I've I couldn't get my seeing,

440
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, seeing the story. Honestly, It's never crossed my

441
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: mind to do anything like that. When I've been out

442
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: in the field my entire career. I've not just reportings

443
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: at times, I've anchored tons of stuff all over the

444
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: world and been on the air on anchor type situations

445
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: in coats, and I have never crossed my mind to

446
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: do that. I've been in fire jackets, I've been in

447
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: I've never thought to do that. That's fine, So it's

448
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 1: hard for me to understand. I guess some difference in vanity.

449
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 1: You know this about why I'll go out in the

450
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: field no makeup, they would always offer. I'm like, nah,

451
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm just going to even going on the air if

452
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm just doing a story and not if I'm anchoring,

453
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: they'll put some powder on me. But if I am

454
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: just gonna step out and do a report that day,

455
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: I'm only going to be on a second on air

456
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: for a minute or so, no need for makeup.

457
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Speaker 3: But you're you're the rarity because I have worked with

458
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 3: plenty of men in this business for decades, and almost

459
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 3: all of them wear makeup.

460
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 1: Well, I were make up when I anchor, So I'm

461
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: not trying to.

462
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: Say studio lights, studio lights, Okay, Yeah, I mean I

463
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 3: wear minimal makeup in the field, minimal because of that

464
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: very reason.

465
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Speaker 1: But to that point, it always seemed to me that

466
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Speaker 1: there was I work in TV. So I understand seeing

467
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Speaker 1: a guy where they're putting on a lot of makeup,

468
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: putting on his own makeup or caring about his makeup,

469
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: or in the mirror with his hair is just the

470
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Speaker 1: normal thing to me. So I don't think anything of

471
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Speaker 1: it when I see guys doing things like that that

472
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Speaker 1: come off as vain.

473
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Speaker 3: I don't think because we've seen it for so many

474
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Speaker 3: years in newsrooms and out in the field. I've witnessed

475
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: it myself now I like I have. Yeah, I'm with

476
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 3: you in the field. I I don't think I've ever

477
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Speaker 3: thought about pinning a jacket or any of that sort

478
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Speaker 3: of thing. However, I have had in the studio. More

479
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: often than not, it's someone else who says, can I

480
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 3: pin this jack for you? Because they're seeing that it

481
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: doesn't look right or it's not hanging correctly. I mean, look,

482
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 3: when you see mannequins when you're walking down the street,

483
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 3: the outfits look so amazing, right, and then you turn around,

484
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: you get into the store, and you see they all

485
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 3: have been pinned because it looks better, It looks it

486
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 3: makes you look thinner, it makes you look more athletic.

487
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 3: You know, that is what you see in all of

488
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 3: the storefront windows. None of those clothing almost always are

489
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 3: just hanging. They are pinned and designed to look and

490
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 3: fit a certain way.

491
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Speaker 2: And so.

492
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Speaker 3: I've had people offer to and do that for me

493
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: on the set, but in the field, I just don't.

494
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Speaker 3: I never had people. I wasn't important enough to have

495
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 3: people in the field with me. So perhaps if I

496
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 3: were in the field and I had a wardrobe person

497
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: traveling with me and they said let me pin this,

498
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: I'd probably say, okay, you know best.

499
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: You're looking at it.

500
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 3: You know. I've had them look at the camera and

501
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 3: then come around and say you need this. So that

502
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 3: very well may have been what happened with David. Someone

503
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: who he traveled with, who is responsible for him looking

504
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: a certain way he can't trust, yeah, and he might

505
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: not certainly could not be focused on that. I think

506
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: that's the criticism that instead of being focused on what

507
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 3: was happening, he was focused on how he looked.

508
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 2: But it could be people.

509
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 3: It could be that people around him were looking at

510
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 3: that for him and making that decision on his behalf.

511
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 3: But please just acknowledge that it was an aesthetic. It

512
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: was not about the audio. That's all I ask because

513
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 3: you know what, I think people know when they hear

514
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: something that's true, and they know when they hear something

515
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: that sounds like a phony defense. And that did sound

516
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: like a phony defense. Now it did not come from David,

517
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: to be clear, it came from a source, which yes,

518
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: I'll roll my eyes on that, but someone trying to

519
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 3: give another explanation other than vanity why that might have

520
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: been taking place.

521
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Speaker 1: This story will be you've forgotten soon enough, but it's

522
00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: in the cycle now, and not for no reason. I

523
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: get it. I mean, some of the stuff is silly,

524
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: and it's petty, and it's unnecessary. Some people add a

525
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: little levity to it. I don't mind that necessarily, but

526
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: a legitimate frustration at seeing something like that is understandable.

527
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: Can't take any issue with anybody who who's wondering if

528
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: their home is still standing and looking up at this

529
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: gallo TV and that's just a bad look, period, point blank.

530
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: But we don't know exactly what happened. We don't exactly

531
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: know who asked for it and why and all that.

532
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: But even if it was to make it look a

533
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: little better, I.

534
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: Think it's hard for a lot of us to know

535
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: how the sausage is made. You know that people say

536
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: you don't want to know. You know, this is common practice.

537
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 3: It just is behind the scenes. And when you are

538
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: at a certain level and you do have enough people

539
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: around you, you do trust their calls sometime in those

540
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: moments about what's best and what's not best. And you

541
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: know what, I love something you pointed out earlier, which

542
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: was if no one had ever seen the clothespin, if

543
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 3: you had just seen his fitted jacket, it wouldn't have

544
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: been a story, it wouldn't have been an issue, it

545
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been anything. I don't believe anyone would have

546
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 3: picked up on or pointed out. So it was just

547
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 3: the turn and the exposure of what was really going

548
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: on in the back that created the look that you

549
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: saw in the front. And that's unfortunate. And I you know,

550
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: you google David Muir and the first thing you see

551
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: is David Muir fire jacket, you know. And it will

552
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: go away and it will get better, and we understand

553
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: what headlines are. But I just wanted to say that

554
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: it is a shame because I do think that he

555
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: is an excellent reporter and puts himself out there, puts

556
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: himself in plenty of and has put himself in plenty.

557
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: Of situations, works really.

558
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: Hard, tirelessly to make sure that people understand what's going on,

559
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: to bring people the latest and greatest and important information.

560
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: So I just I would hate for him to somehow

561
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 3: appear as though he has no value, no journalistic integrity.

562
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: That's not fair.

563
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: This is something that was pointed out and something that

564
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: people can have their feelings about. But I would hate

565
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: to think that one moment defines an entire career or

566
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: just puts into question someone's integrity. I think that's the

567
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 3: hard pill to swallow for him and for people who

568
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: have worked alongside him, that's not fair. I would just

569
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: say it's not fair to take one moment or just

570
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: the fact that he is yes concerned about how he

571
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: looks in front of the camera, and that's true. And

572
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: I cared about how I looked in front of the camera.

573
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: And every single person you have ever seen on TV.

574
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: Folks cares about what they look like on camera. Even

575
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: if you look up at them and say, wow, they

576
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: look a mess, they still cared about what they looked like.

577
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: Every single person. If this is bothering you that much

578
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: about these clips, y'all couldn't handle so many other stuff

579
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: behind the scenes that goes on as you don't see,

580
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: so many tricks and this and to make this look

581
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: better and prop this up and ooh, it's crazy behind

582
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: the scenes, and we're we're.

583
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: You know, David Muir is a human being, and I'm

584
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: sure he will not be doing this again.

585
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: And I'm sure every single reporter who has.

586
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: Seen this happen thinks, WHOA, I am absolutely not going

587
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 3: to do this again.

588
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I've stood on boxes to be taller.

589
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: You know.

590
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: There are lots of things you do for an esthetic

591
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: on the television so that one person isn't super short

592
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: and one person isn't super tall, Like there are lots

593
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: of things that you don't see at home that we're

594
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 3: doing that if you actually took a we call it

595
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: a dirty shot, but a shot of all the equipment

596
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: and all the things that are happening, the bounce lights

597
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: that are on you to make you look better, you know,

598
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 3: so that you don't look harsh. I mean, there are

599
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: all sorts of tricks and aesthetics that are going on

600
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: behind the scenes to make the reporter look more pleasant,

601
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 3: perhaps even in incredibly unpleasant circum stances.

602
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: But folks out there in California. I mean, we are

603
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: keeping an eye on it, We're thinking about you constantly.

604
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: This is a historic tragedy at this point. And hats

605
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: off to all those reporters out there who are in

606
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: some very dangerous situations. We've seen, I guess Nick Watson

607
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: one that's gotten a lot of attention, almost getting hit

608
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: by debris while he was out there reporting. And they

609
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: are just those hot spots. These things can pop up anywhere,

610
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: so even it's not a fire right next to him,

611
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: they're still under threat. Always applaud the reporters who put

612
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: themselves in harm's way and covering these stories.

613
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: And they are the lens by which people see what's happening.

614
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: They are when you hear these stories and when you

615
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 3: see these stories, and these reporters who are bringing them

616
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: to you, and not just the reporters, the cameramen, the

617
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: audio camera people. I shouldn't say cameramen, photographers, maybe that's

618
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: a better way to put it. The audio personnel, the producers,

619
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: the live truck operators, the SAT truck operators, all of

620
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: the people who who are there away from their families,

621
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: working crazy long hours. It is to make sure that

622
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: all of us who aren't there can see what's happening.

623
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: It inspires people to open their wallets, It inspires people

624
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: to help, It sends prayer chains a buzz. You know,

625
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: all of this information is super important and you have

626
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: to have those folks on the ground bringing it to you. Yeah,

627
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: they may not be saving lives directly, of course, but

628
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: they are helping get really important information to people who

629
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: need it the most and also letting all of us

630
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: know how we can help, and that's all incredibly important

631
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: in times like these and tragedies like these.

632
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: So, folks, we always, as always, we appreciate you spending

633
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: some time with us. We will see you back here

634
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: on Amy and TJ soon enough, but will of course

635
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: continue to see you for the daily morning run. Well,

636
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: for now, I'm TJ Holt.

637
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: And I'm Amy Roboch. Have a great day, everyone,