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Speaker 1: My name is Angela Kinsey and I played Angela Burton.
Speaker 1: Hello everybody out there in podcast land. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: the Office Deep Dive. I am your host, Brian bond Gartner. Today,
Speaker 1: as you just heard, you will be listening to my
Speaker 1: conversation with Angela Kinsey. Now, let's get something straight. Kevin
Speaker 1: made Angela Martin crazy back in the accountants corner throughout
Speaker 1: the entire run of the Office. But I am very
Speaker 1: happy to report that Angela Kinsey and I actually became
Speaker 1: very good friends on the set of the Office and
Speaker 1: we are still great friends to this day. Thankfully. Um
Speaker 1: but we actually met many years before the office. However,
Speaker 1: neither of us remembers it. Okay, So when Angela and
Speaker 1: I were in college, Angela went to Baylor, I went
Speaker 1: to s m U Hail to the Red and the Blue. Um.
Speaker 1: We had the same spring break and one year we
Speaker 1: both separately went to Acapulco, Mexico. Random, I know, but
Speaker 1: at some point during that trip we ended up in
Speaker 1: the same cab, like the the same van cab with
Speaker 1: a bunch of other people. And long story short, many
Speaker 1: years later, back in our little corner, we figured out
Speaker 1: that we met on that night in the cab in Acapulco, Mexico.
Speaker 1: Even though, like I said, neither of us have any
Speaker 1: memory of it. Um. But luckily for your listening pleasure today,
Speaker 1: we do have a lot of great memories from our
Speaker 1: ten years working together on the Office. We truly were Angela,
Speaker 1: Oscar and I. We were the stars of our own
Speaker 1: show over in the accountant's corner. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: it was a great show. At least we thought it
Speaker 1: was a great show. Anyway, Please welcome my bestie Angela Ckenzie.
Speaker 1: I love it. Villu Squiger Bubble and Squiger Cookie. Every moment,
Speaker 1: lift over from the nut be Oh you are coming,
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good? How are you? God? How's
Speaker 1: your family? I'm waiting for my Christmas car. Everybody's good.
Speaker 1: Oh it was while ago. Oh no, I think I
Speaker 1: got it. I'm glad it was so memorable. Hi guys,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so low, so low. I think
Speaker 1: that's more about your height. Hey, Jenna was just in
Speaker 1: that chair and had no issues. Well, she's taller than
Speaker 1: I am. All right, I do this for a living.
Speaker 1: You know what is going on? This is a mic
Speaker 1: of fun. You know it occurs to me. We have
Speaker 1: you and I do this all the time together all
Speaker 1: the time. Are we already recording? I think it's gold
Speaker 1: is going to happen. We're always paired together to do
Speaker 1: like press and always satellite tours. And because we're good together, Bud, Yes,
Speaker 1: we are, we are. How are you good? You look good?
Speaker 1: You have like a snazzy sports jacket. I'm wearing us.
Speaker 1: I dressed up for you. Thank you. I like the
Speaker 1: mood lighting. I like what you've done with the room.
Speaker 1: Kind of got a sexy vibe. This is my first
Speaker 1: day in this room. Like we could be in a
Speaker 1: lodge maybe like in Vegas, a Vegas lodge. Well, they
Speaker 1: made it, they made it feel like home for me. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here, Brian. I'm happy that you're here.
Speaker 1: It's fun to go back and talk about this really fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jen and I are having so much fun.
Speaker 1: But I I know, we knew it was a great show,
Speaker 1: that we were part of something special. But getting to
Speaker 1: watch it again and I'm watching it now with like
Speaker 1: no agenda. I hit the mic, You're a professional. I'm
Speaker 1: not agenda is the wrong word. But I'm watching it
Speaker 1: now just as an audience, Like I'm not thinking about like,
Speaker 1: oh did I get my line right? Or you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just watching it as an audience and I'm just
Speaker 1: loving it and I'm just like a man, we got
Speaker 1: to do that. Do you remember I'm going to go
Speaker 1: out of order here, But do you remember when we
Speaker 1: were almost fired? You mean you mean which time? The
Speaker 1: time with kin Koppits, at the time when we made
Speaker 1: Oscar tell a story really loud under the window where
Speaker 1: we had Oscar. Oscar gets really animated and he gets
Speaker 1: worked up and he's kind of like a very passionate storyteller. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right. So to set this up, show is brand new.
Speaker 1: We get hired and we're out in the parking lot
Speaker 1: and we are we are supporting casts. We are not
Speaker 1: a big ticket item on the show. We are easily replaceable.
Speaker 1: And Oscar starts telling a story very loudly, very loudly.
Speaker 1: We were This is when he kind of blames me.
Speaker 1: We were sort of standing over in the sun and
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, let's go stand in the shade. And
Speaker 1: I scooched us up against the wall of the building,
Speaker 1: apparently right under a window where they were filming. And
Speaker 1: then Oscar continues the story and he goes Kinsey almost
Speaker 1: got me fired because she's like, Oscar up here. He
Speaker 1: came down loudly under the window. We got yelled at.
Speaker 1: Ken Koppas himself leaned out the window our director and said, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: could you can you keep it down? We're trying to
Speaker 1: film here. We're like, oh my god, here, I have
Speaker 1: to say what I learned really quickly that moment is
Speaker 1: the fight or flight and all of us Oscar, I
Speaker 1: don't know if he meant to deer in headlights. He
Speaker 1: stepped out and looked up my ass, hugged the wall.
Speaker 1: I made myself so small I touched into a shadow.
Speaker 1: I don't think Ken saw me. I think he just
Speaker 1: saw oscar. You went flat up against a dumpster. Probably
Speaker 1: I was like I can like stepped out and was
Speaker 1: like okay, and then he was like, um, okay. Two
Speaker 1: thousand and three, Yes, before anything related to the Office happened,
Speaker 1: What were you doing, oh Man? Two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: I was working at Improv Olympic Theater and I performed
Speaker 1: there anytime they'd give me stage time, so usually about
Speaker 1: three nights a week I did improv. Um. I was
Speaker 1: in a show with Kate Flannery who ended up playing
Speaker 1: Meredith on the Office, and Kate Walsh, Laura Kraft. Really
Speaker 1: hilarious people were on this show. Rich Fulture was our
Speaker 1: only guy, and the name of the show was Girl
Speaker 1: Team Balls, Girl Team Balls performing three nights a week. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: That was one of the shows I was in. It
Speaker 1: was like Sunday nights at like ten o'clock, which is
Speaker 1: like really when you want to see comedy. And then
Speaker 1: I had like a few other improv shows I was doing.
Speaker 1: I was all in it. It was like my life.
Speaker 1: I know, Brian's nodding at me like nerd little bit.
Speaker 1: But so you're doing improv Olympic and working. I'm working
Speaker 1: at the theater and I'm performing there and then auditioning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: auditioning like every little thing I could do. I had
Speaker 1: a bunch of national commercials. Those were the days where
Speaker 1: you could get a big national commercial and it would
Speaker 1: like you would make a nice income, especially like I
Speaker 1: just had a tiny, little one bedroom apartment. It's not
Speaker 1: like any big checks. Um. I had a Chevy Blazer
Speaker 1: that my parents had helped me buy out of college.
Speaker 1: That Chevy Blazer made it until about oh gosh, around
Speaker 1: Booze Cruise. I was driving back from Long Beach and
Speaker 1: I made a left and my right tire made right,
Speaker 1: rolled right through the intersection. Oh my god. Um, and
Speaker 1: now did you know about the British Office? Of course
Speaker 1: I was a huge fan. You're a huge fan. I
Speaker 1: thought it was amazing. But you know, I grew up
Speaker 1: with a lot of British television because I grew up overseas,
Speaker 1: and um, that was like I grew up on faulty
Speaker 1: towers and good neighbors and all these kind of sense
Speaker 1: of humor really appealed to me, okay, so you get
Speaker 1: called to audition. Well, actually I knew Greg Daniels at
Speaker 1: the time. I was related to Greg by marriage. You
Speaker 1: guys know that out there, right. I've talked about it
Speaker 1: um and I mean, I just loved Greg. He was
Speaker 1: so supportive of my career. He would come to my
Speaker 1: improv shows. I look back on it now, Brian, and
Speaker 1: I know you you do too, because you have kids.
Speaker 1: They probably had to get a babysitter coming to my show,
Speaker 1: like I. But when you're in your twenties, you don't
Speaker 1: think of that. You're like, I have an improv show
Speaker 1: at Tanna Clack on Sunday. But now I think about
Speaker 1: it and I'm like, what, like it takes to get
Speaker 1: out to get to someone's whatever it is. So he
Speaker 1: was always so supportive, and he was going to be
Speaker 1: doing the remake and he said, you know, this is
Speaker 1: when you should come in for you should this is
Speaker 1: kind of in your wheelhouse. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: and I was nervous. I was nervous about what that
Speaker 1: looked like in the USA because I loved the British
Speaker 1: version and I was like, oh no, are they gonna
Speaker 1: But I knew if anyone could do it would be
Speaker 1: Greg because he's he is just brilliant, he really is.
Speaker 1: And so you get the call and you go, is
Speaker 1: there anything specifically you remember about the day you went
Speaker 1: into audition. You were auditioning, not for Angela. I was
Speaker 1: auditioning for Pam. I remember it very very well because
Speaker 1: before I went in, Greg said, Angela, that sounds kind
Speaker 1: of funny saying this. Um, He's like, I am not
Speaker 1: going to acknowledge you. Okay, like we don't know each other,
Speaker 1: he said, trust me on this. If they just think
Speaker 1: you're they're just like anyone else, it's going to serve
Speaker 1: you better. He goes, I know you can do this.
Speaker 1: You know you can do it. I am not going
Speaker 1: to in any way let them know that I know
Speaker 1: you and you don't do the same. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: got it. And you don't meet My poker face is horrible.
Speaker 1: So you walk in and you're like, hi stranger, Hi Greg, Um.
Speaker 1: But no. I walked in and there was a room
Speaker 1: full of people as a producer session. He was in
Speaker 1: the back corner, and UM, I wore a like a
Speaker 1: pink turtleneck and my hair sort of half up, half down,
Speaker 1: and I had really worked on the scene. I felt
Speaker 1: really good about it and it was going great. I
Speaker 1: was reading with Phyllis and there's a moment when Michael
Speaker 1: fake fires Pam in front of Ryan the Timp, and
Speaker 1: it's such a jerk move right, and Pam calls him
Speaker 1: a jerk. She starts to cry and she calls him
Speaker 1: a jerk because you kind of realized that as crappy
Speaker 1: as this job is, she probably needs this job. And
Speaker 1: when Phyllis as Michael fake fires me, I look up
Speaker 1: and I called her a jerk, but I guess I
Speaker 1: was like jerk. Like everyone started laughing, and I remember
Speaker 1: in my mind thinking, like I don't think I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to have laugh right there, So you got a laugh
Speaker 1: on the jerky I got a laugh on the jerk line.
Speaker 1: But every it was like everything was going great. I
Speaker 1: walked out there, Greg really like close to his chest,
Speaker 1: gave me like where no one could see, like a
Speaker 1: big smile of thumbs up, which you know, I was
Speaker 1: like on cloud nine, and I felt great about it.
Speaker 1: I walked out there, I was like whoo, and then
Speaker 1: I didn't get it um and like that was that,
Speaker 1: And you know, you go into your next audition. I
Speaker 1: had an audition for a pilot for the Oxygen Channel.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the Oxygen Network. I was a big
Speaker 1: star on I bet you were, but I bet you
Speaker 1: crushed it over there. It was a pilot that was like, um,
Speaker 1: an improv pilot, kind of like Curb your Enthusiasm before Curb.
Speaker 1: And they got these phenomenal improv actors and I had
Speaker 1: auditioned for it and got it, and they were flying
Speaker 1: me to New York and I thought I was so
Speaker 1: fancy getting flown first class to New York. We filmed
Speaker 1: in the village and I was like, Oh, this one's
Speaker 1: the one going like this is happening. I played the
Speaker 1: slutty receptionist, perfect perfect um. And then two months went by.
Speaker 1: I was waiting to hear about that and I got
Speaker 1: a call saying, you know that show the Office, they
Speaker 1: really liked you. They just thought you were a little
Speaker 1: too feisty for Pam and they were like this this
Speaker 1: woman is like like she works in accounting and she's
Speaker 1: sort of stuffy. She doesn't really have anything nice to
Speaker 1: say about anybody. And then they said, when you come
Speaker 1: back in, just really downplay your looks, like you know,
Speaker 1: this is a very drab accountant and a paper company
Speaker 1: in sacram So I read with Kim Koppas and it
Speaker 1: was like one line and I'll never forget it because
Speaker 1: he said, um, well, Angela, you know how he talked, Well, Angela, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you made a real meal out of that line. And
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, is that good? I don't know,
Speaker 1: do I want to make me a lot of that line?
Speaker 1: But I felt really good about it. It It was the
Speaker 1: scene that you and I ultimately do. And and then
Speaker 1: I got a call that I got it, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it because it was like this thing that
Speaker 1: I had let go. I was like, that's great. And
Speaker 1: then I remember thinking like, well, what about Salon Royale
Speaker 1: the pilot I did for Oxygenlan Royal, And um, it
Speaker 1: didn't go. Salant Royale did not go. So I went
Speaker 1: from the slutty receptionist to the prickly accountant. What now?
Speaker 1: What would have if Salant Royale had gone? I think
Speaker 1: I would you would not have been on the office. No,
Speaker 1: and I would have been a lead. I would have
Speaker 1: I would have thought, who I'm like one of the
Speaker 1: leads of the Salon Royale. Yeah, I know, Well it
Speaker 1: all worked out. Oh my goodness. So you did you
Speaker 1: know anybody else that had been cast? You had worked
Speaker 1: with some people? Yes, I knew Oscar Nuniez. We had
Speaker 1: done a sketch comedy show called Hot Towel. Hot Towel
Speaker 1: sketch comedy shows. I'll have weird names because because you're
Speaker 1: in your twenties and you think you're hilarious, hot towel
Speaker 1: is hilarious. The hot towel they hand you like on
Speaker 1: a plane, we were like that, let's be hot towel. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know because they had flown you first class,
Speaker 1: had that experience, and you were like, oh, let's call
Speaker 1: it hot towel. Oh, it actually wasn't that would be perfect,
Speaker 1: but it actually wasn't my idea. Um. So I knew
Speaker 1: Oscar and then um Kate Flannery and I had done
Speaker 1: improv together. Dave Keckner. I knew all the improv circles
Speaker 1: you know. Um do you remember having any reaction with
Speaker 1: Ben Silverman or Croppus Coappus. I loved, like right away.
Speaker 1: He was just amazing And I'll never forget our scene
Speaker 1: when we did the pilot. It was the last shot
Speaker 1: of the day. And we had had a long day
Speaker 1: and I could tell Ken was done. He wanted to
Speaker 1: go home, and he has this two line scene and
Speaker 1: accounting he sends everyone home but us. We're over there
Speaker 1: in the corner. You and I have been waiting all
Speaker 1: day for this moment. And I said my line, you
Speaker 1: said yours, and he goes, okay, why you. First of all,
Speaker 1: Ken doesn't say action, you know, he goes go in
Speaker 1: and then you do your scene and he's like, you
Speaker 1: know what, why don't you do it again? But like
Speaker 1: give it half of that? Like, give it half of that.
Speaker 1: So I say my line was like, well, if someone's
Speaker 1: gonna be fired, I yeah, it's probably gonna be me.
Speaker 1: And he was like, yea, give it half of that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, do I sound like some vaudeville commy? Am?
Speaker 1: I like, if someone's going to be fine, I don't
Speaker 1: prova maybe, Like I was like, give it half of that.
Speaker 1: So I was like, someone's gonna be fired, It'll probably
Speaker 1: be me, and he was like in one more less,
Speaker 1: I'm like what? And then and then I remember you
Speaker 1: and I so I did I said it. I just
Speaker 1: like gave it nothing right. And then he was like,
Speaker 1: I think we got it, and then he left and
Speaker 1: I turned you and I was like, are we going
Speaker 1: to be fired? And You're like, I think we just
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Speaker 1: Welcome out in the shoes. What do you remember that
Speaker 1: was different about shooting in the pilot for the office
Speaker 1: than anything else you'd worked on before. Is there anything
Speaker 1: different that you were met? Well? Sure, I mean there
Speaker 1: were a few things. First of all, like the tone,
Speaker 1: like just the fact that can like made us get
Speaker 1: there early and do work. We were to go to
Speaker 1: our desks and do work like we were filing papers
Speaker 1: or typing something and sit in silence take a call
Speaker 1: if you want to take a call. It was very
Speaker 1: method kind of go there and work on your desk,
Speaker 1: and he just rolled b roll camera. And then also
Speaker 1: like we had no marks, like the sort of um
Speaker 1: the idea that you were on a TV show. It
Speaker 1: didn't feel like that. It didn't feel like any other
Speaker 1: set I'd been on. It almost was like I was
Speaker 1: on a reality TV show and I had been miked
Speaker 1: and told to go work in an office somewhere. Like
Speaker 1: the feeling of the crew, all of that was just
Speaker 1: like it wasn't there. There were only like the crew
Speaker 1: felt very small, like Skeleton Crew and all the other
Speaker 1: shows you're on. It feels like a production, right, That's
Speaker 1: very interesting. The idea that we didn't have marks right then,
Speaker 1: In normal television shows they mark where you're supposed to
Speaker 1: stand so the camera can capture you perfectly in your
Speaker 1: scene and focus walking up delivering your lines. And we
Speaker 1: didn't have that this was a documentary, so the camera
Speaker 1: was expected to find you wherever you happen to land. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they would say, walk up to reception, and you're going
Speaker 1: to deliver your lines at reception, and you know, Angela
Speaker 1: you're going to stand over by the copier and Brian
Speaker 1: you're going to stand over by the coat rack. But
Speaker 1: they didn't within three ft of that area. We could
Speaker 1: roam around and do whatever we wanted. Right. Also, there
Speaker 1: was no there was no missing wall right we were
Speaker 1: in and in fact the pilot we shot in an
Speaker 1: actual office space, right, and so the walls were not movable.
Speaker 1: They had to truly work in the space they were in,
Speaker 1: which I thought was great because it is a documentary.
Speaker 1: They can't fudge that. They have to. Like if the
Speaker 1: walls there On other TV shows, they'd be like, well,
Speaker 1: fly out the wall, move the wall, it's messing up
Speaker 1: my shot. But this you had to work around it.
Speaker 1: And I think like the camera finding you and if
Speaker 1: it was blurry or a little bit, if they missed
Speaker 1: you in and had to find you, all of that
Speaker 1: was gold for this type of show because they didn't
Speaker 1: want it to feel like a polish, polished network television show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you feel like choosing Scranton to set the
Speaker 1: space and what do you think that did for us? Well,
Speaker 1: I think it grounded it and made it like any town, right,
Speaker 1: It could be anywhere, so these things can happen anywhere
Speaker 1: to anyone or just a normal town. I really liked that.
Speaker 1: I also think that a lot of the shows skewed
Speaker 1: towards big cities, and um, I like seeing the smaller towns. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that also. I mean you're right, but I
Speaker 1: think also Greg taking it a step further and saying
Speaker 1: we're going to create in any town by being as
Speaker 1: absolutely true and specific as we can to this town,
Speaker 1: right and it It is one of the things that
Speaker 1: doesn't make me sad if if you were going to say,
Speaker 1: what are some regrets about filming The Office is we
Speaker 1: never got to film an episode there on location. And
Speaker 1: they tried, they really tried, but it was it's a
Speaker 1: lot of moving parts to move a whole cast and
Speaker 1: crew and set up for a week. But we tried
Speaker 1: to do the St. Patrick's Day, remember the parade, and
Speaker 1: that would have been so cool. You know what's so
Speaker 1: crazy is that Jenna said the same thing, and I said,
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's one of my biggest regrets that
Speaker 1: we never went there as a production. Now we all
Speaker 1: went there, and it was I fell in love with
Speaker 1: the place, so did you. I still think you should
Speaker 1: have a bar there called Malons. You should have a
Speaker 1: bar called Malons and Scranton. You and I were the
Speaker 1: first ones to go. We were yes, and then we
Speaker 1: came back and we're like, you guys, you all have
Speaker 1: to go. It's amazing. That is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: weekends of my life. And that is you, guys, that
Speaker 1: includes becoming a mother. Like that's how much fun this
Speaker 1: weekend was. It was just a blast. First of all,
Speaker 1: they sent a limo for us. Were in New York
Speaker 1: City doing press and I got in at first. They
Speaker 1: picked me up first, and they were going to pick
Speaker 1: up you. You guys, this is before you texted people.
Speaker 1: This really dates us. But I had like a BlackBerry
Speaker 1: and I was trying to tell Brian we were We
Speaker 1: had arrived to pick him up, and I was like,
Speaker 1: we're in a stretch limo that looks like a truck,
Speaker 1: like an suv. It was, and they had it all
Speaker 1: this stuff in there because we were gonna then drive
Speaker 1: to Scranton, and I was like, Brian, what is happening?
Speaker 1: Where are we going? Yeah? I that first time in Scranton.
Speaker 1: Actually you and I it was like we were the Beatles. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We went up to a rooftop in Scranton because they said, oh,
Speaker 1: a few people from the city want to meet you.
Speaker 1: Love some drinks. We went up there and they were
Speaker 1: like four thousand people on the roof and it was
Speaker 1: just me and you. Yeah, no, I know, yeah, And
Speaker 1: then when we all went back, everyone was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. I remember ed Helms turned to me. He
Speaker 1: wanted to go into this train store and we had
Speaker 1: to go out in the back entrance because the store
Speaker 1: had been surrounded by people, and he said, Ange, this
Speaker 1: might be the closest will ever be to being a
Speaker 1: Beatle um. So I've been talking to people a little
Speaker 1: bit about creating their characters. Was there because your training
Speaker 1: was an improv Well, I did theater like all through
Speaker 1: you know, high school and college. I did theater, but
Speaker 1: my love and passion was improv and comedy and sketch comedy, right,
Speaker 1: And so creating the character of Angela, did you? Was
Speaker 1: there like a special sauce that you had about creating
Speaker 1: her physically or well the way I dressed for my
Speaker 1: second audition. When I came back in for what would
Speaker 1: end up being Angela, they asked me if I could
Speaker 1: bring my own clothes to the pilot. I wore my
Speaker 1: own clothes in the pilot. So yeah, I guess my
Speaker 1: gray on gray that I what I had in my
Speaker 1: closet ended up being a color scheme for her. Um.
Speaker 1: I brought a photo of myself and my grandmother, Lena Mackenzie,
Speaker 1: and my eyes are closed in the photo and it's
Speaker 1: a black and white picture, and I just thought it
Speaker 1: was really funny that she would frame that it said
Speaker 1: I Heart Grandma. And that's what I because Ken really
Speaker 1: wanted us to decorate our workspace. And I put that
Speaker 1: on my desk, and so, you know, I guess in
Speaker 1: my mind I saw her as this sort of stuffy gal.
Speaker 1: But she wasn't malicious. She just took work very seriously
Speaker 1: and she was here to do work. She wasn't there
Speaker 1: for shenanigans, you know, And that's sort of how I
Speaker 1: approached her. The one line Greg told me is she
Speaker 1: probably doesn't have a lot of nice things to say
Speaker 1: about everyone. And then I had a prop on my
Speaker 1: desk that was a paper clip holder that was kind
Speaker 1: of a big cat laying on its side. I still
Speaker 1: have that to this day. So I thought like, well,
Speaker 1: I have this photo of me and my grandmother. Was
Speaker 1: her grandma her best friend? I don't know, I have
Speaker 1: this cat paper clip holder, I'm wearing all gray, and
Speaker 1: I know she probably doesn't have a lot of nice
Speaker 1: things to say, so that just sort of informed me.
Speaker 1: I started to put her together and then you know,
Speaker 1: in the pilot, I improvised the whole Sprinkles thing. Ken
Speaker 1: Koppas wanted me to pass around papers in the background
Speaker 1: of a scene, and I asked him what what papers
Speaker 1: said doesn't matter? And I doodled a little cat and
Speaker 1: I said, you're invited to Sprinkles first birthday party. And
Speaker 1: I sort of made it up that I'd found this
Speaker 1: cat in the parking lot and I invited everyone but Jim.
Speaker 1: I just figured Jim would have made fun of me
Speaker 1: or something, and that was all stuff I was doing
Speaker 1: on my own. You know, you saved the Sprinkles and
Speaker 1: posted I still have the Sprinkles posted not you gave
Speaker 1: me the one that was on the partition when we wrapped.
Speaker 1: You gave me that, and I like, I love it
Speaker 1: so much. You kept it. No one else kept Kevin.
Speaker 1: Kevin my my the person that drove me crazy. Ist
Speaker 1: kept was sentimental in in a weird way. Um. Do
Speaker 1: you remember seeing the pilot for the first time? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what did you think of it? I thought it was
Speaker 1: really funny. I thought it was really funny, and I thought, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we have a chance. But for me, when I
Speaker 1: really thought oh this is we've got something was Diversity
Speaker 1: Day and that scene of all of us in the
Speaker 1: conference room with those note cards on our forehead. I
Speaker 1: was Jamaica, you know, and I think you do want
Speaker 1: to stop it. You and I had that great scene. Um.
Speaker 1: I remember looking around and being like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing this on TV right now. We're the
Speaker 1: only people doing this here, and this feels really special. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And do you remember anything about getting the call that
Speaker 1: the show was picked up for a series. I do.
Speaker 1: I was. I mean, I I thought, oh my god.
Speaker 1: My first thought was, well, I guess I could go
Speaker 1: down to part time at the theater, like because I
Speaker 1: just didn't know, Like nothing for me had ever stuck.
Speaker 1: And I remember being I was excited but being nervous
Speaker 1: if it meant I should quit the other job. Did
Speaker 1: you know that on the day Dr King was shot,
Speaker 1: the old black security detail normally assigned to him was
Speaker 1: called off. They're who would not allow him to stay
Speaker 1: at any hotel with balconies. That security union was reassigned.
Speaker 1: There was a man there whom And did you know
Speaker 1: that on the day Dr King was shot, two black
Speaker 1: firemen stationed across the street and one black police detective
Speaker 1: who was surveiling King. We're all taken off the job.
Speaker 1: What was the emergency that caused? Usually moved another fires?
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Speaker 1: finished the first season and then we come back for
Speaker 1: season two. What do you remember that changed? Um hair
Speaker 1: and makeup. The hair and makeup was like a like
Speaker 1: if my my grandpa that used he used to like
Speaker 1: try to make things with wood. The makeup area was
Speaker 1: like someone who put a together a few pieces of
Speaker 1: plywood and like clamped a light on it that looked
Speaker 1: like an electrical hazard in the middle of an empty warehouse.
Speaker 1: Season two, we had a trailer. You walked inside and
Speaker 1: it was a hair and makeup trailer and there was
Speaker 1: music playing and you sat in a chair and there
Speaker 1: were lights, and then we moved to an actual sound
Speaker 1: stage and then fourty year old Virgin, right old Virgin.
Speaker 1: That was the game changer for Steve and Jenna and
Speaker 1: I have talked about this where we had this moment
Speaker 1: where we're like, oh my god, our friends Steve is
Speaker 1: gonna be like real famous, like real Dale famous. I
Speaker 1: really felt like they were banking on Steve, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I will attach myself to the Steve Wagon.
Speaker 1: I'm banking on him too. I thought that that was
Speaker 1: a really good sign. But I still wasn't confident. I
Speaker 1: mean I still was like when we finished those first
Speaker 1: six because season one was just six, they printed our
Speaker 1: names on pieces of paper and then laminated them and
Speaker 1: put a piece of velcrow on the back and that's
Speaker 1: what stuck to your door of your trailer. And I
Speaker 1: went up to my ripped that, ripped it off, said
Speaker 1: I'm gonna save that. That was fun because you were
Speaker 1: sure it was done. I just didn't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were putting so much at the time, NBC had
Speaker 1: the show that was like our rival sort of show
Speaker 1: that was this couple, and they were on every bus everywhere.
Speaker 1: We weren't on any buses, we weren't anywhere. And I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, the putting a lot of money on
Speaker 1: those guys. Yes, there was not a whole lot of confidence.
Speaker 1: But Kevin Riley, I was about to say, I knew
Speaker 1: Kevin Riley was fighting for us, and I know that's
Speaker 1: why when we ultimately won an Emmy, all you guys
Speaker 1: lifted him in the air and that's the photo that
Speaker 1: made the l a times because we all knew as
Speaker 1: a cast. We stayed on the air because Kevin Riley
Speaker 1: put his neck on the line for us. Right when
Speaker 1: did you feel like we actually had security? I know
Speaker 1: distinctly remember well. I remember getting an email that our
Speaker 1: first Christmas episode had become the number one download on
Speaker 1: iTunes and I was like what, and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: that's it. Mom was getting rid for Chevy Blazer and
Speaker 1: then I got a Honda. Um, yeah that that That
Speaker 1: was a huge moment. And it's funny. Before that aired,
Speaker 1: there was a moment that was very significant for you
Speaker 1: and I, which was boost crews. Yes, when we finally
Speaker 1: became series regulars. Yep, I found out I was going
Speaker 1: to be a series regular. And there's a photo that, um,
Speaker 1: I think Oscar took of Jenna and I when I
Speaker 1: found out. We're jumping up in the air holding hands.
Speaker 1: And I mean up until then, we were basically like
Speaker 1: week to week. Like I remember in Halloween episode when
Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, we're gonna actually fire one person,
Speaker 1: We're all like, okay, Hi, how's it going. I petitioned
Speaker 1: for it to be you. I want you to know.
Speaker 1: I remember saying to my mom, I'm like, mom, you
Speaker 1: know pretty much anyone can go really and she was like, well,
Speaker 1: every office needs a bitch, That's what she said to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: She's like, every office needs the bitch. I'm like, your
Speaker 1: mom was confident that it wouldn't be you. Mom, was
Speaker 1: you have you know Bertie Kinzie. She's like, don't speak it,
Speaker 1: don't speak it put out the positive. Oh man, So
Speaker 1: at this time, so this happens, Um, we shoot Booze Cruise.
Speaker 1: It airs after Christmas. Christmas episode happens on TV. It's
Speaker 1: our largest audience ever ever. Then iTunes streaming. We become
Speaker 1: number one in that and then Steve wins the Golden Globes.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about that night of us at
Speaker 1: the Golden Globes? Um? I remember I got a spray
Speaker 1: tan because I thought I was really white, like too
Speaker 1: white in my dress, and so people are like, get
Speaker 1: a spray tan. And then Rain made fun of me
Speaker 1: so much. He was like how what what? So one
Speaker 1: day on the office, Angela Martin is like pale and
Speaker 1: the next day you look like orange. You're like Angela.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know me. And then um,
Speaker 1: we weren't allowed to sit in the main room. Only
Speaker 1: Steve got invited into the main room where the fancy
Speaker 1: people were. We were in the annex and we watched
Speaker 1: him win like on TV, and we were we we
Speaker 1: about like fill out of our chairs. Literally we fell
Speaker 1: out of the stuff. But we made such a scene
Speaker 1: that other fancy people were like those guys. We were screaming,
Speaker 1: We're so excited. And when the party lets out, it
Speaker 1: lets out into the room we were in and we like,
Speaker 1: we tackled Steve. We're so excited. And then season two happens,
Speaker 1: and then that year we win the Emmy. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was so cool. And now we're you know, at least
Speaker 1: in terms of the Emmys. What do they know? But
Speaker 1: we're now the number one show, um, And so we've
Speaker 1: gone from do we even have a job? Are they
Speaker 1: going to let us do one more? Two now suddenly?
Speaker 1: Or a hit? Do you think that that changed anything? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, it changed everything as far as the network
Speaker 1: was concerned. I think that the show was fantastic. I
Speaker 1: think our fans were there, but it really made us
Speaker 1: bankable for the network, and then we started getting the
Speaker 1: bigger orders. Um. And then creatively the show started finding
Speaker 1: its form in terms of we're gonna have a cold open,
Speaker 1: the episodes are going to take place more or less
Speaker 1: in a day. What do you think the cold opens
Speaker 1: allowed the show to do. I think they allowed to
Speaker 1: show other departments, other little just relationships and worlds within
Speaker 1: dunder Mifflin. Well, yeah, they could be character studies too
Speaker 1: and not have to be tied to anything to any storyline, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, the Kevin making his chili, It's never discussed again.
Speaker 1: There's never any conversation. At least once a year Kevin
Speaker 1: says he brings in the chili. He never brings it
Speaker 1: in again. He does it one time, he spills it
Speaker 1: and that's it. Um. But I think in terms of
Speaker 1: it allowed the show to do something for pure comedy,
Speaker 1: for a character study. Yeah, I feel like there are
Speaker 1: a lot of ways that are did that that I loved,
Speaker 1: and I think that was Greg Daniels, you know, just
Speaker 1: doing his thing. I mean, there would be nuggets dropped
Speaker 1: in a monologue like a talking head and you're like what,
Speaker 1: and it's never revisited again. But it's just like information.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, we all know that Creed did
Speaker 1: action movies in Hong Kong, what you know or like whatever?
Speaker 1: I mean Dwight has some really good ones too. Um,
Speaker 1: but I love that about the Chili. It's just assumed
Speaker 1: information and and we start in the middle. We don't
Speaker 1: explain to you everything. I was just rewatching, um the
Speaker 1: Halloween episode. And when Michael leaves, he walks right past Hank.
Speaker 1: Never introduced Hank, just just where he sits. That's who
Speaker 1: he is, his security downstairs. But there weren't these big
Speaker 1: like now we must introduce this and this is a thing.
Speaker 1: It was just like their life, all right, you guys.
Speaker 1: That's it for now. We are out of time, as
Speaker 1: they say, but we will be back with more of Angela,
Speaker 1: I promise in a future episode. And until then, we
Speaker 1: have a bunch more great interviews coming your way. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for listening, and please, please, just for me,
Speaker 1: have a great week. The Office. Deep Dive is hosted
Speaker 1: and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive
Speaker 1: producer Langley. Our senior producer is Tessa Kramer. Our associate
Speaker 1: producer is Emily Carr, and our assistant editor is the
Speaker 1: A goo Topia. My main man in the booth is
Speaker 1: Alec Moore. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak performed by
Speaker 1: my great friend Creed Bratton, and the episode was mixed
Speaker 1: by seth Olandskip M. Hey, Elizabeth, you're the co host
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