Speaker 1: Really now, really, really.
Speaker 2: Now, really hello, and welcome to really know really with Jason,
Speaker 2: Alexandra and Peter Tilden. And since you're already listening, hey,
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Speaker 3: This episode is all about music.
Speaker 2: And America's fastest growing sport, pickleball. Pickleball team owner and
Speaker 2: a man considered to be one of the best guitarists
Speaker 2: in the world. Joe Bonamasa explains why he got into
Speaker 2: the pickleball mania, why pickleball has a huge problem, why
Speaker 2: there are so many haters, and why Jason will likely
Speaker 2: never play the guitar. So let the games begin. Here
Speaker 2: are Jason, Alexander and Peter Tilden really, oh.
Speaker 3: Peter, Welcome everybody.
Speaker 4: This is a this is a this is an exciting
Speaker 4: thing because this is this We're gonna talk about a
Speaker 4: thing today that I'm actually involved with.
Speaker 1: I do it.
Speaker 4: I do it, and most people wouldn't believe that I
Speaker 4: would do.
Speaker 1: It, but I do it.
Speaker 4: Everyone's going, what the hell are they talking about?
Speaker 1: I'll give you a clue, ready, an annoying stun It's.
Speaker 4: Pick a ball, pickle ball, which I used to say,
Speaker 4: not a sport, not a sport, not a sport. Then
Speaker 4: I played it and I actually I'm I'm really loving it.
Speaker 1: I like it and got a problem. It's got a problem.
Speaker 1: Are really no really, because it's become everywhere.
Speaker 4: People are playing pick a ball everywhere, And the New
Speaker 4: York Times had a headline recently that is it's causing
Speaker 4: shattered nerves and sleepless nights. Pickle ball noise is driving
Speaker 4: everyone everywhere brazy, absolutely insane, and it's grown over almost
Speaker 4: forty percent in the last two years. And it's it's
Speaker 4: noise pollution, and it's causing freight nerves and unighborly clashes everywhere,
Speaker 4: calls to the police, lawsuits because it's this pop pop
Speaker 4: pop pop pop coming from the pickle ball courts. The
Speaker 4: tennis players are fighting with It's like the Jets and
Speaker 4: the Sharks. Tennis players players are having rumbles out on
Speaker 4: the court and they say that even from one hundred
Speaker 4: feet away, the sound of that ball is like seventy decibels.
Speaker 1: That's allowed.
Speaker 4: That's like, that's like vacuum cleaner under your bed kind
Speaker 4: of noise. There isn't actually an organization. The sounds were
Speaker 4: dissected last month at the Noise.
Speaker 1: Con We got to have these people that there's a.
Speaker 4: Noise con the Annual Conference of North American Noise Control Professionals.
Speaker 3: They're opening night session featured.
Speaker 1: Keep it down in There, Keep it down there.
Speaker 4: People are actually Google mapping new houses to make sure
Speaker 4: that they're nowhere near a pickleball court because they know
Speaker 4: that it's going to be a thing, and so we
Speaker 4: wanted to. I just wanted to have someone who really
Speaker 4: is an officionado on the game, who really knows.
Speaker 1: What's going on, and get the inside scoop. And you
Speaker 1: found us one of the one of your bottoms, one
Speaker 1: of the best, one of the best guitars, living guitars,
Speaker 1: but possibly the best according to Brad Paisley. Yeah, is
Speaker 1: a team owner. We know why, probably, but find out
Speaker 1: from him because this guy knows pickleball. This guys pickleball.
Speaker 1: But also it looks like a smart investment because you
Speaker 1: can put four pickleball courts. But it's it's going professional,
Speaker 1: the purses are bigger, it's getting a lot of attention.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched one on TV yet. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: that's I have seen part of it on TV. It's
Speaker 1: not my thing. I kind of like we watched but
Speaker 1: Joe Bonamas if you don't know him, the pre eminent
Speaker 1: blues guitars. I've watched so much of your playing and
Speaker 1: as I said, Brad Paisley called you the number one
Speaker 1: guitars in the world. So welcome to the show and
Speaker 1: you're a team OWNERI.
Speaker 4: So uh, thanks you, Joe. Why do they call it pickleball?
Speaker 4: How did they get the name pickleball?
Speaker 5: Apparently pickleball got its name from a dog.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I've heard that there are several There are
Speaker 4: several theories about dog named Pickles. A dog named Pickles,
Speaker 4: I've heard that that was one theory. Pickleball was created
Speaker 4: in Washington for people that don't know A bunch of
Speaker 4: friends playing a game in nineteen sixty five on a
Speaker 4: bad minton court. A guy named Prichard. His wife witnessed.
Speaker 4: Her husband and his friends and the kids were sitting
Speaker 4: it up, and she she said the game reminded her
Speaker 4: of a pickle boats used in rowing or crew. And
Speaker 4: so that's one theory about how it how it got
Speaker 4: its name, Peter, and.
Speaker 1: Then I think another one was that you're in a
Speaker 1: pickle if you missed. Well, there's the dog story. As
Speaker 1: Joe was saying, there's the dog story.
Speaker 4: And then there was yet another one that it's the
Speaker 4: inn a pickle story. A guy surrounding a guy named
Speaker 4: Bill Bell, and they mentioned that that Bell hit the
Speaker 4: ball with such precision that his opponents felt like they
Speaker 4: were in a tough spot.
Speaker 1: A ka in our tickle. All right, So now you
Speaker 1: got there, there you go, Joe, Yeah.
Speaker 5: The truth somewhere in the mist or nowhere near. I
Speaker 5: got brought into this world. Honestly. I brought into this
Speaker 5: this world by my friend Steve Bellaman, who founded the
Speaker 5: Tennis Channel, and I became fast friends with him because
Speaker 5: we're both guitar collectors. And he was explained to me
Speaker 5: about this, this this phenomenon called pickaball. I just thought
Speaker 5: it had kind of a weird name, and he goes,
Speaker 5: it's it's it's rapidly exploding across the country. And about
Speaker 5: a year ago, maybe a little little more, that they
Speaker 5: were franchising the sport and they were they were they
Speaker 5: were doing a league and there was an opportunity to
Speaker 5: invest in the Chicago Slice and he was like, I'm
Speaker 5: going to put put together a team and if you
Speaker 5: want in, and I said, you know, I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: do it like this. I'm like, I don't know you
Speaker 5: know about pickleball and and the the economics of it.
Speaker 5: But what I I I do know that people respond
Speaker 5: to enthusiasm, and the people who are into pickleball really
Speaker 5: really really love pickleball. And what I've what I've come
Speaker 5: to find out by having conversations with other pickleball people,
Speaker 5: is that it makes the sport of tennis, which to
Speaker 5: some people is kind of unobtainable at a certain age,
Speaker 5: more obtainable. Sure, you know, because it's smaller, but you're
Speaker 5: still getting the cardio, you're still getting the workouts, and
Speaker 5: you know, you start doing a deep dive and all this.
Speaker 5: And you know, our team is owned by some pretty
Speaker 5: insane people, you know, Chris Everett being one of them,
Speaker 5: Heidi Blue, Ron Saslau. I mean, like you know, Doug Allen,
Speaker 5: and you know, I just kind of got involved because
Speaker 5: I thought that it was going to be something that
Speaker 5: that could really really scale. Now the noise ordered is
Speaker 5: part of the you know, I kind of chuckle when
Speaker 5: when when people it's too noisy and stuff like, I've
Speaker 5: been told to turn down my entire life. This is
Speaker 5: a per business for me. You know, turn the guitar
Speaker 5: down the paddles now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, speaking of passion for collecting,
Speaker 1: I should mention I don't know if this is the number,
Speaker 1: because it probably goes up because you're insane with collecting.
Speaker 1: Is it five hundred amps and five hundred guitars in
Speaker 1: your house? Because I visualize a room with ten guitars
Speaker 1: in it you can hardly walk.
Speaker 5: The thing is the I have three places and came
Speaker 5: up to Ford and I I'm not married, and you
Speaker 5: can see crazy signs and guitars on the walls. They're
Speaker 5: more like branded theme parks than than you know. People
Speaker 5: come to my house in Laurel Canyon, they go, clearly,
Speaker 5: you're not married, Clearly you're a horrid or but you're organized,
Speaker 5: so it's it's well displayed. But they're they're about eleven
Speaker 5: hundred guitars and amps, you know. But I've been doing
Speaker 5: this for thirty five years.
Speaker 1: But eleven hundred is there's that's that's there's an illness there.
Speaker 1: You realize that there's an illness. You don't need eleven
Speaker 1: hundred of any of them.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I can only play one at a time
Speaker 6: exactly well, And there you go so, yeah so, And
Speaker 6: you know, when you drop dead, if you're not married
Speaker 6: and kids, where's it going?
Speaker 5: I I my niece and nephew are gonna.
Speaker 1: Be okay, quite are think boy? I would be calling
Speaker 1: every day to see how he's doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, I don't. I I actually put it in
Speaker 5: my will that my niece and neph whatever they want
Speaker 5: with it, they sell to keep it. But but if
Speaker 5: somebody comes in and gets too good a deal, I
Speaker 5: will haunt them from beyond the grave. I'll keep it
Speaker 5: from beyond the grave and I'll just come in and
Speaker 5: poltergeist their house.
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. You're very good. Are you building up to
Speaker 1: asking for one of them? Is that I would never
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't ask. I don't ask.
Speaker 1: You must have out of eleven hundred guitars, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you must have. I know you have like the sixty
Speaker 1: four and a fifty three and the thing that's a favorite.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite? And what's it? Is it worth a fortune?
Speaker 5: They are worth of Some of them are worth a
Speaker 5: fortune there. Some are worth is you know houses and
Speaker 5: you know they're you know, as a collector, you start
Speaker 5: getting into the verticals, which is crazy, you know. I
Speaker 5: mean when I when I see Jerry Seinfeld's show with
Speaker 5: the cars, you know, he's he's got that, he's got
Speaker 5: that look with the Porsche, right, and it's it's like,
Speaker 5: what's your favorite Porsche or what's your favorite guitar? It's
Speaker 5: the one I got today, and and what's your favorite
Speaker 5: one tomorrow? I was the one I'm going to buy.
Speaker 5: You know, one of the things about collecting is either
Speaker 5: you get it or you don't, you know, because it's
Speaker 5: like it's like, well, why why do you If you
Speaker 5: you have to ask the question why you don't get it,
Speaker 5: it's just you're You're You're one of them. You know,
Speaker 5: you're one of us. Be like why not?
Speaker 1: So, Joe, do you play pickleball yourself?
Speaker 4: Are you a player as well as an owner?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I have not played the game. I'm not very athletic. First,
Speaker 5: I'm very awkward athletically. And I was like, this isn't
Speaker 5: for me.
Speaker 1: But you you as a kid, people may not know this.
Speaker 1: You were a prodigy. You opened for Bbking when you
Speaker 1: were what like twelve, If you were on TV an
Speaker 1: eight or five or four or three or is an
Speaker 1: embryo playing guitar.
Speaker 5: I was a show bized kid before the like before
Speaker 5: Instagram and and social media. Yeah, like I was. I
Speaker 5: was playing gigs in upstate New York, and I was,
Speaker 5: you know, getting a bit of an because every time
Speaker 5: you would come to a town, the local newspaper would say, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, there's an eleven year old kid playing blues guitar.
Speaker 5: So we would draw a decent crowd just out of
Speaker 5: curiosity seekers. And we were building our name slowly, and
Speaker 5: once it kind of got out nationally that there was
Speaker 5: this like pudgy white kid from Beuticat playing blues, we
Speaker 5: would get we were getting calls. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm in Los Angeles nineteen eighty nine and I'm on
Speaker 5: you remember the show on ABC was called Into the
Speaker 5: Night with Rick D's Yes, yes, yes, remember it was
Speaker 5: maybe like three or four years he was on, And
Speaker 5: you know, I was part of a skit on there
Speaker 5: where they were they were randomly, you know, all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, one of the house band, which was Billy
Speaker 5: Vera and the Beaters, the guitar player didn't show up
Speaker 5: and they said, oh my god, we're so desperate for
Speaker 5: a guitar player the show can't go on? Who played guitar?
Speaker 5: And of course eleven year old Joe Bonamas and I
Speaker 5: happen to get picked, and I go up there and I,
Speaker 5: you know, play and the audience was crazy, and you know,
Speaker 5: next thing in all, I'm on The Mickey Mouse Club
Speaker 5: and wow, you know, and then ABC television, National television,
Speaker 5: NBC television, and it was just a wild thing for
Speaker 5: a middle class family in upstate New York to go through.
Speaker 1: That is amazing.
Speaker 4: So, Joe, you know, there are two there are two
Speaker 4: governing pickleball organizations. There's the International Federation of pick A
Speaker 4: Ball the IFB, and there's the World Pickleball Federation the WPF.
Speaker 1: And apparently they're feuding.
Speaker 4: And I just wanted to pick your brain a little
Speaker 4: bit about the nature of that feud. And do you
Speaker 4: come down on one side of the the argument or
Speaker 4: the other?
Speaker 5: I don't know what they're feuding about.
Speaker 1: Don't you go to the owners meetings?
Speaker 5: No, I get on the owner's emails. I'm a minority. Okay.
Speaker 5: The guy who owns the Cubs actually has the final set,
Speaker 5: you know, he put he cut the biggest check, you.
Speaker 1: Know, so you don't know why they're feuding. I don't know,
Speaker 1: to affect your money then.
Speaker 5: And well, you can speak anytime. Here's the thing, anytime
Speaker 5: something scales and there's money involved, there's going to be.
Speaker 1: A few sure.
Speaker 5: And and the thing is, it's like the sport has
Speaker 5: had a critical you know period where where you know,
Speaker 5: it's starting to become I'm like, I looking at videos today.
Speaker 5: You know, ESPN's covering it, you know, online, but it's
Speaker 5: you know, it's not exactly Sports Center front page, but
Speaker 5: it's like it's on everybody's radar and.
Speaker 4: Yet to do an episode.
Speaker 1: But Joe, you know what I want to remind you
Speaker 1: the advice you got for BB King was keep doing
Speaker 1: what you're doing, don't change for anyone, and watch your money,
Speaker 1: watch your money, watch your money.
Speaker 5: So it's good for anybody, the pizza business or.
Speaker 1: You're any other questions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, apparently there's a push to make it an Olympic sport, Uh, John,
Speaker 4: any thoughts about that or why why it wouldn't qualify
Speaker 4: at this point for the Olympics.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't see why it wouldn't qualify it.
Speaker 5: It's a legitimate sport, you know.
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 1: Though? I guess is that's the question.
Speaker 3: It's probably not.
Speaker 4: If you don't, you don't have to throw the hardcore
Speaker 4: figures out. But isn't an expensive thing to become an
Speaker 4: owner of a pick a ball team?
Speaker 5: Well, early on it wasn't, you know, when they were
Speaker 5: putting the leaves together, because we are consortium of owners,
Speaker 5: so there's there's a there's a tier percentage, right, you know,
Speaker 5: and then then there was an opportunity for people like
Speaker 5: me to get involved that at a lower percentage, at
Speaker 5: obviously a low lower cost. But it's it's at first
Speaker 5: it wasn't. It wasn't prohibited the expensive, right, it was
Speaker 5: just it was just something that's like is it a
Speaker 5: league work? You know, because to your point it's like
Speaker 5: should it be Olympic sport? Well, I would imagine most
Speaker 5: people play pickleball at this point for exercise, yeah, something
Speaker 5: to do after work. And and then there's the people
Speaker 5: that play competitively and they're starting to become some real
Speaker 5: money in it, like like like endorsements and paddles, and
Speaker 5: you know, it's going to be like anything else, there's
Speaker 5: going to be you know, a Rosco Bellamy signature paddles
Speaker 5: down the line. There's gonna just like there is a
Speaker 5: Chris Everett you know signature.
Speaker 1: And when you say you have it, like you have
Speaker 1: the Chicago Slice.
Speaker 4: So at most four people play at a time on
Speaker 4: a game. So how many people are on a team.
Speaker 5: I don't know how many people.
Speaker 3: But you're an owner, shouldn't you?
Speaker 5: I know, but I don't let the manager.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Joe, you also read again when I do research.
Speaker 1: You were your Baroni's and you found a guitar. You
Speaker 1: had to buy what they have in.
Speaker 5: The valley, and I found I found a holy grailed guitar.
Speaker 5: Luthier named David Neely who's on Sunset Bulevard took in
Speaker 5: this guitar and it was painted red and I was
Speaker 5: looking at it, and I go, this looks like a
Speaker 5: fifty nine sun vers Les Paul to me, but disguised
Speaker 5: to somebody painted over it. And I ended up making
Speaker 5: an offer to the guy who wanted to get it
Speaker 5: restored because he painted it in nineteen sixty seven. He
Speaker 5: took the offer and I took the paint off of
Speaker 5: it and I found one of the flamiest fifty nine.
Speaker 5: It's like a strata Varius of electric guitars. And I
Speaker 5: call it Lazarus because it kind of rose from the dead,
Speaker 5: and that all happened at Baronis, surrounded by other guitar
Speaker 5: experts who were telling me I was out of my mind.
Speaker 1: And this is a quarter of a million dollar guitar,
Speaker 1: about right, Yeah, question about that, because you have so
Speaker 1: many of them, Joe, and I'm gonna let me switch
Speaker 1: into your world seriously for a minute. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I've tried to teach myself guitar many times. I have
Speaker 4: failed miserably. I have very small hands, very short fingers.
Speaker 1: I just try.
Speaker 4: It's very hard for me to get basic fingerings. But
Speaker 4: I also I taught myself keyboard because it was a
Speaker 4: very logical instrument. I really don't understand the layout of
Speaker 4: the guitar. I don't understand why it's strong the way
Speaker 4: it's strong. I don't understand the frontboard. But you have
Speaker 4: so many guitars. The pedestrian question that I think people
Speaker 4: like me would ask is are they really that different,
Speaker 4: especially when you get into the world of electric guitars.
Speaker 4: I understand an acoustic guitar, different woods, slightly different shapes
Speaker 4: and sizes will make it seems like on an electric guitar,
Speaker 4: the string is the string. And what makes an electric
Speaker 4: guitar different from any other electric guitar?
Speaker 5: I saw, I can explain this is the for the player.
Speaker 5: Like you can give me a two hundred dollars guitar
Speaker 5: and a two hundred thousand dollars guitar are blindfold, you'd
Speaker 5: be like, it sounds the same, right, what you what
Speaker 5: you get from an old guitar a classic is an
Speaker 5: extra five percent in the build quality, the woods older,
Speaker 5: the resonance is better, and you do hear it, but
Speaker 5: it's it's subtle, you know. I mean I tour with
Speaker 5: the expensive stuff because it's part of the show. I know,
Speaker 5: like thousands of guitar gets show up every night. I
Speaker 5: don't know, they want to see real stuff, right, so
Speaker 5: I bring it. But I know if I play in
Speaker 5: a two hundred our guitar, and you know, because I
Speaker 5: think people sometimes hear with their eyes, you know, it's
Speaker 5: like it's it's like if I play a two und
Speaker 5: our guitar and I have my like turned around and
Speaker 5: be like, oh, it's just you must have one of
Speaker 5: his fifty nines. No, I got this two hundred dollars.
Speaker 5: And what makes guitars special is the fact that they're
Speaker 5: all different, Like you can play a very expensive guitar
Speaker 5: that absolutely does nothing, and then the one that was
Speaker 5: built the same day is the one that's the magic
Speaker 5: and get you know, Gibson or Fender. They didn't really
Speaker 5: have a process where they didn't have like their best crafts.
Speaker 5: They just they had order so like build this, build that,
Speaker 5: build an ant, send it out, leave on froday, start
Speaker 5: on Monday. And it was a happy accident. Like I
Speaker 5: have three of the original Flying Be's. I owned about
Speaker 5: three percent of the original run of Flying Bee guitars.
Speaker 5: The reason why they're so damn valuable is because they
Speaker 5: only built less than one hundred because it was a flop.
Speaker 5: Nobody wanted this odd shaped guitar for two hundred and
Speaker 5: seventy nine dollars in nineteen fifty eight, and it would
Speaker 5: be a hard sell as a kid to go, hey, dad,
Speaker 5: can you're buy me this really wacky looking guitar that
Speaker 5: you can't even sit down and play? They're not going
Speaker 5: that wasn't so the happy accidents along the line create
Speaker 5: the demand and also the people that used them, like
Speaker 5: the sunburst Less Paulsy you're talking about Jimmy Page you're
Speaker 5: talking about Dwayne Almond, you're talking about Billy Gibbons. A
Speaker 5: lot of class said guitar sounds were me with that
Speaker 5: particular instrument, everybody just went why And they've been collectible
Speaker 5: since the seven It just gives a I buy stories
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say, it's a story.
Speaker 5: I don't buy. You know, my favorite kind of guitars
Speaker 5: is like I get a picture of an old guy
Speaker 5: and pat in black and white playing it back in
Speaker 5: the day, and it's like, that's the story, and you're.
Speaker 1: So rather than give this to your niece and nephew,
Speaker 1: why don't Why don't you curate? What? What was that?
Speaker 1: But why don't you curate? Then that's important? Why not
Speaker 1: curate some museums so so that that those artifacts don't
Speaker 1: go away and people appreciate it just the way you describe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's a lot. I mean there's there's
Speaker 5: a couple of museums. There's one here in Nashville, there
Speaker 5: was one in Chattanooga, really really complete stuff. The met
Speaker 5: did a huge display a lot of it with celebrity
Speaker 5: owned stuff, And like, the reason why I don't collect
Speaker 5: celebrity guitars is I played a lot of Hendrix's guitar,
Speaker 5: played Albert King's buying the and the weirdest thing happened.
Speaker 5: I sound nothing like Jimmy Hendrix. I sound nothing like
Speaker 5: Albert King.
Speaker 1: I'm like, exactly, that's where.
Speaker 5: The sound is. And you know, I mean, the whole
Speaker 5: thing is it's it's it's just a fun hobby for
Speaker 5: me that that's spiral out of control. And I've been
Speaker 5: I've been lucky enough to I get to use these
Speaker 5: in my my day job.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's I love that you show up
Speaker 1: to the gigs, because the gigs, the gigs. He's playing
Speaker 1: the sixty eighth strand you know that. That's what did
Speaker 1: you learn?
Speaker 4: Did you pick up the thing and teach yourself to
Speaker 4: play or did you study this instrument?
Speaker 5: I mostly self taught. I took some formal lessons when
Speaker 5: I was a kid, but I had like back in
Speaker 5: the eighties, attention deficit disorder isn't wasn't a thing. It
Speaker 5: was like, you're just you're just scattered and all I
Speaker 5: had a one. I had a one track one. I
Speaker 5: want to play Steve yorray Von, Albert King, Jimmy Hendrix,
Speaker 5: Robin Trouer air clapt I was not interested in mel
Speaker 5: Bay Book one or two. I just wanted to put
Speaker 5: records on in jam along and I'm just kind of
Speaker 5: I just just kind of play. But what I did
Speaker 5: realize quickly right around by the time I was ten
Speaker 5: eleven when I did my first shows that being a shy,
Speaker 5: introverted person, having that ability to take guitar and play
Speaker 5: for people it was it was as much a shield
Speaker 5: as it was a weapon.
Speaker 4: Are you able to hear music in your head and
Speaker 4: just have it come out in your hands?
Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much. I can. I'm an ear player. I could.
Speaker 5: I can hear it and kind of guess where it
Speaker 5: is on the fingerboard.
Speaker 4: I've been trying to figure out the bass now for
Speaker 4: about two years, and I'm starting to understand it a
Speaker 4: little bit. But to me, the fantasy of the bass
Speaker 4: in particular, because I do great bass lines. When I
Speaker 4: put on the radio and I start singing a bassline
Speaker 4: of my own choosing, I'm spectacular to be able to
Speaker 4: have that in my head and just have it come
Speaker 4: out my hands. To me, he seems like I might
Speaker 4: as well try and fly to Mars. It just I
Speaker 4: don't know how to translate the instrument into my brain
Speaker 4: and my my being in that way that you know,
Speaker 4: I'm just I marvel at it.
Speaker 5: If you if you, if you do it enough, it
Speaker 5: becomes easier. It's like, okay, well this is where it's at,
Speaker 5: you know. And it's a lot of trial and error.
Speaker 5: I mean, everybody, nobody. There's not a single person from
Speaker 5: Eddie van Halen to whoever that that honestly hasn't made
Speaker 5: a mistake horribly, you know, like horribly bitted on stage,
Speaker 5: like just complete you know. I read the guy from
Speaker 5: the Jonas Brothers had to go into therapy because he
Speaker 5: clammed really hard on the Grammys of some award show
Speaker 5: and he doesn't know me. But like I, people were
Speaker 5: like piling on as they do on the internet. I
Speaker 5: defended him. I said, listen, there's not a single person
Speaker 5: of any skill that hasn't gone out there and bombed.
Speaker 5: Your comedian made a glaring mistake, just completely out of key.
Speaker 5: I don't know what I was thinking, complete train wreck.
Speaker 5: The difference is everything now is filmed, yeah, and everything
Speaker 5: goes immediately on the line online, and every single note
Speaker 5: of music that you do, or every joke you tell,
Speaker 5: or every scene you're in or whatever is immediately judged
Speaker 5: against your entire body of work.
Speaker 4: We're recording the show on October fifth, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: You got a new album coming out right today? Yeah, today,
Speaker 4: and people can find it. Where what's it called?
Speaker 1: And where can we find it?
Speaker 5: It's called Blues Deluxe Vyume Too, And it's a twentieth
Speaker 5: anniversary version of a record that saved my career. We
Speaker 5: did Blues Deluxe in two thousand and three when I
Speaker 5: got dropped from Sony. I was unsignable. Nobody wanted it.
Speaker 5: It was over. It's twenty five years old, going all right,
Speaker 5: well it's seventy second subway station busking and maybe and
Speaker 5: maybe backing up someone who's more fortunate. Yeah, And we
Speaker 5: did this record in seven days. My manager and I
Speaker 5: put in ten thousand dollars. Everybody we went all in.
Speaker 5: It was like it was it was like, you know,
Speaker 5: thirty five black the roulette right and spun the wheel
Speaker 5: and then it hit thirty five blacks.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: And so when the twentieth anniversary came up, I was like, well,
Speaker 5: the heart, you know, like the tapes and everything that
Speaker 5: we recorded twenty years ago, the hard drives you can't, can't.
Speaker 5: They're all shot so couldn't remix it, couldn't do anything.
Speaker 5: There was no bonus tracks. I said, screw it, We'll
Speaker 5: just we'll just do another volume, another version, you know,
Speaker 5: new songs, and we recorded last year for the twentieth
Speaker 5: anniversary and it's out today.
Speaker 1: Wow, look at that. From that, from that, Joe, Well,
Speaker 1: that moment saving to being the owner. I was going
Speaker 1: to say, fortunate.
Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you who else is fortunate and
Speaker 4: see if you know what they have in common. Mark Cuman,
Speaker 4: Draymond Green, I'm brady. They have a longoria, Chris Ever,
Speaker 4: Derek Bentley, Michael Phelps, Heidi Klom, Kevin Durant, Rich Paul
Speaker 4: and Anheuser bush All all team.
Speaker 3: They owned pickleball teams as.
Speaker 1: He never dreamed as a child when he was playing
Speaker 1: guitar at age four, that one.
Speaker 4: Day, I am so happy we we. I don't think
Speaker 4: we left the stone unturned when it comes to pickleball today.
Speaker 1: Well, because I think if there's a if you're listening
Speaker 1: right now, you're away in my past. I think the
Speaker 1: source we found, the source we went to the zero
Speaker 1: pickball is Yeah, God bless us and if I know Joe,
Speaker 1: by the way, if we've learned anything from him, when
Speaker 1: he gets off today, he's going to say, that's never
Speaker 1: gonna happen to me again. I'm going to become I'm
Speaker 1: going to spend hours and days forget playing guitar, right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to learn everything I didn't know about pickle
Speaker 1: is correct about that, Joe.
Speaker 5: We're canceling the tour so you can study pickle and
Speaker 5: and I'm going to study pickleball become a professional pickleball player.
Speaker 5: I'm going to try out for my own team, Joe.
Speaker 1: It was a pleasure, man, checking mat. I had such
Speaker 1: a joy preparing for this and watching you play and watching.
Speaker 5: Hopefully my guitar knowledge made up for my lack of pickleball.
Speaker 1: To pickle ball, I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have had
Speaker 1: anybody on rather than you for pick a ball very.
Speaker 4: Well, I know that was I mean, if I had
Speaker 4: any questions about pickleball, the origins, how the game is playing,
Speaker 4: overwhelmed with the professional world of pickle ball, there's we
Speaker 4: left no stone unturned.
Speaker 1: I always get the right guy, don't I you do.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, it is amazing. I can hone in on it.
Speaker 1: Tell tell the truth.
Speaker 4: When you found out that Joe Banamasa.
Speaker 1: So here's what you look at, here's the pore.
Speaker 4: I look at him the way I would look at
Speaker 4: Olivier and you know that, and that he had anything
Speaker 4: that starts with a P in his resume, and you went,
Speaker 4: good enough, what happens and I'm going to have him
Speaker 4: on the show.
Speaker 1: What happens is when we do the show, we're pulling
Speaker 1: back the the curtain a little bit. We can afford
Speaker 1: to curtain. We actually have it on that line like
Speaker 1: we're blind.
Speaker 4: We have a sound curtain to keep the other thing
Speaker 4: that's filming quiet.
Speaker 1: So, Laurie is amazing. We always talk about issues and
Speaker 1: then try and find the best guys and you always
Speaker 1: say to me, which it makes me really happy. I
Speaker 1: can't defina this guy's the best normal. They said, Laurie,
Speaker 1: we want one of the guys from the feuding pickleball leagues. Yes,
Speaker 1: and then there's some other the notables in the pickleball world. No,
Speaker 1: so I said, let's go for believe that.
Speaker 4: Like a person who's just a professional pickleball player said,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to myself.
Speaker 1: Well, we all have a repute. We also don't just
Speaker 1: want to pickable players, like, yeah, my backhand is so
Speaker 1: you got to think of where you're going. So I said,
Speaker 1: let's get an owner. Yeah, so I know Derek Bentley
Speaker 1: for a long time. He said, no, yeah, Mark Cuban,
Speaker 1: make a call. I don't have his number anyway. So
Speaker 1: LA said, I always do the O. For God's sake,
Speaker 1: we should be able to get to Lari says, you
Speaker 1: know what we got Joe Bonamasa. And I went, that's terrific.
Speaker 1: And then I said to you, when we're preparing, you mean.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna peel the curtain back even further. Peter sends
Speaker 4: me days before we do these. He sends me lists
Speaker 4: with links of information and things background on our subject,
Speaker 4: on our guest, controversy, areas we can go to. And
Speaker 4: he sent me three pages of links to Joe Bonamassa.
Speaker 1: Nothing's do with pickable. By the way, tell you the truth.
Speaker 1: When I was researching, you know why that is, I
Speaker 1: couldn't find it, couldn't find it. So I said to you,
Speaker 1: this could be a unique pickleball on interview. But you
Speaker 1: know what what a joy he was and what a
Speaker 1: good sport what a good sport. Yeah, good guy, David
Speaker 1: Google Hai, what do you got, David?
Speaker 3: Major league pick a ball? How do you play it?
Speaker 3: Who's on? And how many you know? Participants?
Speaker 7: So it's a co ed teams of four okay, so
Speaker 7: two men, two women when they're competing on the court.
Speaker 7: Game one women's doubles, Game two men's doubles, and then
Speaker 7: game three men interesting.
Speaker 1: Interesting pickleball.
Speaker 7: We talked a lot about the name you gave, some
Speaker 7: of the some of the genealogy there. So it's generally
Speaker 7: there's no definite ad answer, but generally the consensus is
Speaker 7: the Pickles the dog story is not No, it is
Speaker 7: not correct. The girl who owned Pickles said no. Pickles
Speaker 7: came later and was named after the game, And a
Speaker 7: lot of people were saying that they the dog story
Speaker 7: originated because and Jason, I think you would you would
Speaker 7: believe this. It's very difficult to explain the other genesis, right,
Speaker 7: it's boats, pickle boats, and there's something Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 7: not even going to get into it. I was reading
Speaker 7: a lot. It's it's like if you know boats, if
Speaker 7: you know what a pickle boat is.
Speaker 4: I thought it was named because the game was created
Speaker 4: by old Jews. That's honestly what I thought it was.
Speaker 4: The first I heard a pickle ball. It was being
Speaker 4: played in Floria, like in the retirement communities.
Speaker 1: In Flora, and I thought, oh, old.
Speaker 4: Jews, they pickle It looks like it's a pickle.
Speaker 1: That's what I really thought. I'm in a pickle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not in a I'm not in a pickle.
Speaker 4: It's a Delli related it's like a I thought it
Speaker 4: was Deli related.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. I did. So why was it called
Speaker 1: lock ball? It's that's right. Yeah. Also yeah, the negative
Speaker 1: all right? Or man, Yeah, that's what it would have been. Yeah.
Speaker 7: You had mentioned that that pickleball has been talked about
Speaker 7: is becoming an Olympic sport in and many people are
Speaker 7: saying by twenty thirty they because of the popularity here
Speaker 7: in the United States and the growing popularity around the world,
Speaker 7: it could in fact become an Olympic sport. Well, I
Speaker 7: wanted to throw at you some because that's sort of
Speaker 7: the pinnacle of any sport, right on the Olympics. So
Speaker 7: I want to throw some at you. Some historical Olympic
Speaker 7: sports were there? Were they not in the Olympics? Okay,
Speaker 7: number one.
Speaker 3: Tug of war.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, Ank agrees, I bet no.
Speaker 7: Tug of war was actually one of the original sports
Speaker 7: back and you're talking.
Speaker 4: Back in the olden days.
Speaker 3: It was, well, I do have dates.
Speaker 7: It was actually resurrected from nineteen hundred to nineteen twenty.
Speaker 1: Okay, moving's going to stab me in the neck of you.
Speaker 7: Don She has a Facebook, she has a whole archery.
Speaker 1: Whole archery? What does that mean?
Speaker 5: Archery?
Speaker 7: The sport involves hanging a bird shaped targets from the
Speaker 7: top of a.
Speaker 3: Pole and firing arrows.
Speaker 1: Yes, sure, sure, yes.
Speaker 7: Yes, nineteen twenty that was in the in the the
Speaker 7: Olympic sports of course, bird stoning, bird stone.
Speaker 1: No, not no, putting. It almost got in but didn't.
Speaker 3: Right, that is a completely made up sports.
Speaker 7: But in the nineteen hundred Olympic Games in Paris, there
Speaker 7: was an event called live pigeon shooting where over three hundred.
Speaker 3: Pigeons were killed.
Speaker 7: All right, steeplechase, steeplechase course.
Speaker 5: Okay, yes, it is motor racing. Motor race.
Speaker 1: No, that's an extreme sport.
Speaker 3: Nineteen hundred.
Speaker 7: In that Paris there was a weird Paris Games because
Speaker 7: they had the World's Fair in Paris that year as well.
Speaker 3: So there's some strange okay, a couple more for you.
Speaker 7: Pistol dueling, No, no, no, are you sure.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 7: Nineteen o eight, Oh boy, competitors donning protective clothing and
Speaker 7: firing wax bullets at one another at distances of twenty and.
Speaker 1: That that I don't want.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 4: I like, I don't like hurting the birds, but too
Speaker 4: idiots shooting.
Speaker 1: By the way, how you what is your son doing?
Speaker 1: He's in the olymp Is. That's paintball.
Speaker 3: They're too good. They're too good. A hacky sack, hacky sack.
Speaker 1: No, no, you're correct, that is false.
Speaker 3: Last one, I'm gonna throw it at you.
Speaker 7: So low synchronized swimming, so swimming.
Speaker 1: We can't be synchronized if it's so solow synchronized, not synchronized,
Speaker 1: but just by the fact that it's synchronized. Do you
Speaker 1: synchronizing with the camping or maybe some music? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: maybe yes.
Speaker 3: I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Abstain so that I can't be wrong, so I yes,
Speaker 1: I would say, yes, it's synchronized. The music go ahead
Speaker 1: from nineteen.
Speaker 3: Eight here to nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: There you go, do you ever hear stone start. Ever,
Speaker 1: then there's stun synchronized swimming, which is stun people. Yeah, synchronized.
Speaker 1: They don't you doing their music in their head? By
Speaker 1: the way, I thought we were going this way the bullets.
Speaker 1: That's saying the dual they should were doing. Well, that's paintball.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, but not two more on standing.
Speaker 4: I love the nine ten turn boom.
Speaker 1: I love that. And by the way, who are you
Speaker 1: practicing with? Right? How do you practice it? I got
Speaker 1: to go out in the back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that was like the thing I used to
Speaker 4: do about Australian rules football, which has no rules.
Speaker 1: How do you how does a father and son.
Speaker 4: Play the game? You take the kid in the back?
Speaker 4: You cants game. Spent some time to go off? Look
Speaker 4: at that. We spent some time together. Well, thank you, Goheim, gosh,
Speaker 4: thank you. Joe Bonamon, one of the great pickleball owners
Speaker 4: and historical historians.
Speaker 1: Chancelling is next door to learn more about pickleball because
Speaker 1: of us, and hopefully you've learned a little about pickleball
Speaker 1: and touring as a guitarist.
Speaker 4: Oh good lord, all right, answer no it take us out.
Speaker 1: Now, really really now, really.
Speaker 2: That's another episode if Really Really comes to a cluse.
Speaker 2: I know you're wondering, is there a sport that come
Speaker 2: by volleyball, soccer, gymnastics, and martial arts and is played
Speaker 2: on an inflatable court utilizing trampolines. Well, yes, of course
Speaker 2: there is, and I'll tell you about it in a moment, but.
Speaker 3: First let's thank our guest, Joe Bonamasa.
Speaker 2: You can follow Joe online at Jabonamasa dot com, on
Speaker 2: Instagram at Joe Bonamasa, on YouTube at Joe Bonamasa tv,
Speaker 2: and on TikTok.
Speaker 3: At Joe Bonamasa Official.
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Speaker 2: combines volleyball, soccer, gymnastics, and martial arts and is played
Speaker 2: on an inflat with trampolines. Well, that sport is boss
Speaker 2: a ball, which can be played volleyball style using hands
Speaker 2: or soccer style using any other body part. Music is
Speaker 2: played during the game to create a fun atmosphere and
Speaker 2: inspire crazy dance and martial arts moves. And the game
Speaker 2: is already big and much of South America, Europe, in
Speaker 2: the Middle East. And as soon as I make my
Speaker 2: first one hundred thousand, I'm buying an inflatable bossa ball court.
Speaker 3: What's that It won't fit in a studio apartment. Okay,
Speaker 3: well I'll figure something out.
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