WEBVTT - Joe Bonamassa: Pickleball & Guitars 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:07.440 Really now, really, really. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.920 Now, really hello, and welcome to really know really with Jason, 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.360 Alexandra and Peter Tilden. And since you're already listening, hey, 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:16.640 why not subscribe? 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.119 This episode is all about music. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:23.800 And America's fastest growing sport, pickleball. Pickleball team owner and 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.720 a man considered to be one of the best guitarists 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.880 in the world. Joe Bonamasa explains why he got into 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.760 the pickleball mania, why pickleball has a huge problem, why 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:38.480 there are so many haters, and why Jason will likely 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.400 never play the guitar. So let the games begin. Here 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:46.159 are Jason, Alexander and Peter Tilden really, oh. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.200 Peter, Welcome everybody. 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.640 This is a this is a this is an exciting 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:52.960 thing because this is this We're gonna talk about a 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.520 thing today that I'm actually involved with. 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:56.800 I do it. 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.840 I do it, and most people wouldn't believe that I 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:00.440 would do. 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:01.200 It, but I do it. 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.640 Everyone's going, what the hell are they talking about? 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:08.360 I'll give you a clue, ready, an annoying stun It's. 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.560 Pick a ball, pickle ball, which I used to say, 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.840 not a sport, not a sport, not a sport. Then 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.360 I played it and I actually I'm I'm really loving it. 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:21.520 I like it and got a problem. It's got a problem. 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.560 Are really no really, because it's become everywhere. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.039 People are playing pick a ball everywhere, And the New 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:30.319 York Times had a headline recently that is it's causing 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:34.160 shattered nerves and sleepless nights. Pickle ball noise is driving 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:40.200 everyone everywhere brazy, absolutely insane, and it's grown over almost 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:42.880 forty percent in the last two years. And it's it's 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:49.120 noise pollution, and it's causing freight nerves and unighborly clashes everywhere, 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:53.080 calls to the police, lawsuits because it's this pop pop 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.640 pop pop pop coming from the pickle ball courts. The 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.920 tennis players are fighting with It's like the Jets and 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:01.880 the Sharks. Tennis players players are having rumbles out on 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.480 the court and they say that even from one hundred 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.840 feet away, the sound of that ball is like seventy decibels. 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:08.680 That's allowed. 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.760 That's like, that's like vacuum cleaner under your bed kind 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:16.359 of noise. There isn't actually an organization. The sounds were 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.680 dissected last month at the Noise. 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:21.480 Con We got to have these people that there's a. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:27.360 Noise con the Annual Conference of North American Noise Control Professionals. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.160 They're opening night session featured. 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:33.760 Keep it down in There, Keep it down there. 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.040 People are actually Google mapping new houses to make sure 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.600 that they're nowhere near a pickleball court because they know 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.760 that it's going to be a thing, and so we 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:46.160 wanted to. I just wanted to have someone who really 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.880 is an officionado on the game, who really knows. 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:50.920 What's going on, and get the inside scoop. And you 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.120 found us one of the one of your bottoms, one 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:54.840 of the best, one of the best guitars, living guitars, 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.280 but possibly the best according to Brad Paisley. Yeah, is 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.480 a team owner. We know why, probably, but find out 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.959 from him because this guy knows pickleball. This guys pickleball. 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.400 But also it looks like a smart investment because you 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:12.000 can put four pickleball courts. But it's it's going professional, 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.720 the purses are bigger, it's getting a lot of attention. 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.600 I haven't watched one on TV yet. I can't imagine 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.919 that's I have seen part of it on TV. It's 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:21.960 not my thing. I kind of like we watched but 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.200 Joe Bonamas if you don't know him, the pre eminent 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.760 blues guitars. I've watched so much of your playing and 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.079 as I said, Brad Paisley called you the number one 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.120 guitars in the world. So welcome to the show and 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:33.360 you're a team OWNERI. 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.880 So uh, thanks you, Joe. Why do they call it pickleball? 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.520 How did they get the name pickleball? 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.720 Apparently pickleball got its name from a dog. 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.560 Yeah, well, I've heard that there are several There are 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:51.400 several theories about dog named Pickles. A dog named Pickles, 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:56.960 I've heard that that was one theory. Pickleball was created 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.280 in Washington for people that don't know A bunch of 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.040 friends playing a game in nineteen sixty five on a 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.600 bad minton court. A guy named Prichard. His wife witnessed. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.320 Her husband and his friends and the kids were sitting 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.520 it up, and she she said the game reminded her 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:15.760 of a pickle boats used in rowing or crew. And 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.360 so that's one theory about how it how it got 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:19.320 its name, Peter, and. 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:20.919 Then I think another one was that you're in a 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.800 pickle if you missed. Well, there's the dog story. As 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.000 Joe was saying, there's the dog story. 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.920 And then there was yet another one that it's the 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.279 inn a pickle story. A guy surrounding a guy named 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.120 Bill Bell, and they mentioned that that Bell hit the 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.120 ball with such precision that his opponents felt like they 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:39.000 were in a tough spot. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.440 A ka in our tickle. All right, So now you 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.040 got there, there you go, Joe, Yeah. 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:48.720 The truth somewhere in the mist or nowhere near. I 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:53.599 got brought into this world. Honestly. I brought into this 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.039 this world by my friend Steve Bellaman, who founded the 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.680 Tennis Channel, and I became fast friends with him because 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.200 we're both guitar collectors. And he was explained to me 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.480 about this, this this phenomenon called pickaball. I just thought 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.599 it had kind of a weird name, and he goes, 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:14.159 it's it's it's rapidly exploding across the country. And about 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.800 a year ago, maybe a little little more, that they 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.840 were franchising the sport and they were they were they 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.359 were doing a league and there was an opportunity to 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:26.360 invest in the Chicago Slice and he was like, I'm 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.760 going to put put together a team and if you 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:30.919 want in, and I said, you know, I'm just gonna 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.599 do it like this. I'm like, I don't know you 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.760 know about pickleball and and the the economics of it. 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.160 But what I I I do know that people respond 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:44.880 to enthusiasm, and the people who are into pickleball really 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.480 really really love pickleball. And what I've what I've come 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.760 to find out by having conversations with other pickleball people, 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.760 is that it makes the sport of tennis, which to 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.400 some people is kind of unobtainable at a certain age, 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.720 more obtainable. Sure, you know, because it's smaller, but you're 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.720 still getting the cardio, you're still getting the workouts, and 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:07.719 you know, you start doing a deep dive and all this. 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.880 And you know, our team is owned by some pretty 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.480 insane people, you know, Chris Everett being one of them, 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.440 Heidi Blue, Ron Saslau. I mean, like you know, Doug Allen, 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.679 and you know, I just kind of got involved because 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.880 I thought that it was going to be something that 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.960 that could really really scale. Now the noise ordered is 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.960 part of the you know, I kind of chuckle when 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.800 when when people it's too noisy and stuff like, I've 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:35.880 been told to turn down my entire life. This is 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.320 a per business for me. You know, turn the guitar 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:40.640 down the paddles now. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.760 Yeah. And by the way, speaking of passion for collecting, 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:45.520 I should mention I don't know if this is the number, 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.440 because it probably goes up because you're insane with collecting. 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.000 Is it five hundred amps and five hundred guitars in 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.640 your house? Because I visualize a room with ten guitars 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:54.960 in it you can hardly walk. 0:06:55.960 --> 0:07:00.240 The thing is the I have three places and came 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:05.080 up to Ford and I I'm not married, and you 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.800 can see crazy signs and guitars on the walls. They're 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.960 more like branded theme parks than than you know. People 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.320 come to my house in Laurel Canyon, they go, clearly, 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.840 you're not married, Clearly you're a horrid or but you're organized, 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:23.200 so it's it's well displayed. But they're they're about eleven 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.160 hundred guitars and amps, you know. But I've been doing 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:27.360 this for thirty five years. 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.720 But eleven hundred is there's that's that's there's an illness there. 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.880 You realize that there's an illness. You don't need eleven 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:33.680 hundred of any of them. 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:38.040 Oh yeah, I can only play one at a time 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.160 exactly well, And there you go so, yeah so, And 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.400 you know, when you drop dead, if you're not married 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:44.480 and kids, where's it going? 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.320 I I my niece and nephew are gonna. 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.640 Be okay, quite are think boy? I would be calling 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.120 every day to see how he's doing. 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.000 Yeah, exactly, I don't. I I actually put it in 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.560 my will that my niece and neph whatever they want 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.000 with it, they sell to keep it. But but if 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.000 somebody comes in and gets too good a deal, I 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.600 will haunt them from beyond the grave. I'll keep it 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.000 from beyond the grave and I'll just come in and 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:11.280 poltergeist their house. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.640 That's unbelievable. You're very good. Are you building up to 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.680 asking for one of them? Is that I would never 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:19.720 I don't. I don't. I don't ask. I don't ask. 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.160 You must have out of eleven hundred guitars, Oh yeah, 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.080 you must have. I know you have like the sixty 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.119 four and a fifty three and the thing that's a favorite. 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.880 What's your favorite? And what's it? Is it worth a fortune? 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:31.400 They are worth of Some of them are worth a 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:35.520 fortune there. Some are worth is you know houses and 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.480 you know they're you know, as a collector, you start 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.120 getting into the verticals, which is crazy, you know. I 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:46.920 mean when I when I see Jerry Seinfeld's show with 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.600 the cars, you know, he's he's got that, he's got 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.560 that look with the Porsche, right, and it's it's like, 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.200 what's your favorite Porsche or what's your favorite guitar? It's 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.000 the one I got today, and and what's your favorite 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.040 one tomorrow? I was the one I'm going to buy. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.840 You know, one of the things about collecting is either 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:07.880 you get it or you don't, you know, because it's 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.040 like it's like, well, why why do you If you 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.920 you have to ask the question why you don't get it, 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.400 it's just you're You're You're one of them. You know, 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.640 you're one of us. Be like why not? 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.479 So, Joe, do you play pickleball yourself? 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.200 Are you a player as well as an owner? 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:25.520 Yeah? 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.280 I have not played the game. I'm not very athletic. First, 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:36.080 I'm very awkward athletically. And I was like, this isn't 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:36.360 for me. 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.680 But you you as a kid, people may not know this. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:41.880 You were a prodigy. You opened for Bbking when you 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.080 were what like twelve, If you were on TV an 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.920 eight or five or four or three or is an 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:48.280 embryo playing guitar. 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.359 I was a show bized kid before the like before 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:57.600 Instagram and and social media. Yeah, like I was. I 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.560 was playing gigs in upstate New York, and I was, 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.640 you know, getting a bit of an because every time 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.880 you would come to a town, the local newspaper would say, hey, 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.320 you know, there's an eleven year old kid playing blues guitar. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:12.880 So we would draw a decent crowd just out of 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.800 curiosity seekers. And we were building our name slowly, and 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.280 once it kind of got out nationally that there was 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:26.320 this like pudgy white kid from Beuticat playing blues, we 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.000 would get we were getting calls. Next thing, you know, 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.800 I'm in Los Angeles nineteen eighty nine and I'm on 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.000 you remember the show on ABC was called Into the 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.360 Night with Rick D's Yes, yes, yes, remember it was 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.040 maybe like three or four years he was on, And 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.680 you know, I was part of a skit on there 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.760 where they were they were randomly, you know, all of 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.520 a sudden, one of the house band, which was Billy 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:53.360 Vera and the Beaters, the guitar player didn't show up 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.200 and they said, oh my god, we're so desperate for 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.800 a guitar player the show can't go on? Who played guitar? 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.720 And of course eleven year old Joe Bonamas and I 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.160 happen to get picked, and I go up there and I, 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.040 you know, play and the audience was crazy, and you know, 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.320 next thing in all, I'm on The Mickey Mouse Club 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:15.400 and wow, you know, and then ABC television, National television, 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.640 NBC television, and it was just a wild thing for 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.760 a middle class family in upstate New York to go through. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:24.720 That is amazing. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.600 So, Joe, you know, there are two there are two 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:34.000 governing pickleball organizations. There's the International Federation of pick A 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:39.680 Ball the IFB, and there's the World Pickleball Federation the WPF. 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:41.439 And apparently they're feuding. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.960 And I just wanted to pick your brain a little 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.040 bit about the nature of that feud. And do you 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.439 come down on one side of the the argument or 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:48.760 the other? 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:51.680 I don't know what they're feuding about. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.120 Don't you go to the owners meetings? 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:59.040 No, I get on the owner's emails. I'm a minority. Okay. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.319 The guy who owns the Cubs actually has the final set, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:07.559 you know, he put he cut the biggest check, you. 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.520 Know, so you don't know why they're feuding. I don't know, 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:11.680 to affect your money then. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:15.920 And well, you can speak anytime. Here's the thing, anytime 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.240 something scales and there's money involved, there's going to be. 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:20.400 A few sure. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.360 And and the thing is, it's like the sport has 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:27.160 had a critical you know period where where you know, 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.320 it's starting to become I'm like, I looking at videos today. 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.160 You know, ESPN's covering it, you know, online, but it's 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.520 you know, it's not exactly Sports Center front page, but 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.320 it's like it's on everybody's radar and. 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:43.040 Yet to do an episode. 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:44.959 But Joe, you know what I want to remind you 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.160 the advice you got for BB King was keep doing 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:52.120 what you're doing, don't change for anyone, and watch your money, 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:54.720 watch your money, watch your money. 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.880 So it's good for anybody, the pizza business or. 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:01.240 You're any other questions. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:07.920 Yeah, apparently there's a push to make it an Olympic sport, Uh, John, 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.600 any thoughts about that or why why it wouldn't qualify 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:11.880 at this point for the Olympics. 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:13.920 I don't I don't see why it wouldn't qualify it. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.360 It's a legitimate sport, you know. 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:16.800 Is it? 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:18.400 Though? I guess is that's the question. 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:22.160 It's probably not. 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.760 If you don't, you don't have to throw the hardcore 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.480 figures out. But isn't an expensive thing to become an 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.080 owner of a pick a ball team? 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.880 Well, early on it wasn't, you know, when they were 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.800 putting the leaves together, because we are consortium of owners, 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:43.160 so there's there's a there's a tier percentage, right, you know, 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.120 and then then there was an opportunity for people like 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.720 me to get involved that at a lower percentage, at 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.880 obviously a low lower cost. But it's it's at first 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:56.600 it wasn't. It wasn't prohibited the expensive, right, it was 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.920 just it was just something that's like is it a 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.360 league work? You know, because to your point it's like 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.080 should it be Olympic sport? Well, I would imagine most 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.640 people play pickleball at this point for exercise, yeah, something 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.680 to do after work. And and then there's the people 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:16.160 that play competitively and they're starting to become some real 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.200 money in it, like like like endorsements and paddles, and 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:21.840 you know, it's going to be like anything else, there's 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.520 going to be you know, a Rosco Bellamy signature paddles 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:27.560 down the line. There's gonna just like there is a 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:29.720 Chris Everett you know signature. 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.760 And when you say you have it, like you have 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:32.800 the Chicago Slice. 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.280 So at most four people play at a time on 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.560 a game. So how many people are on a team. 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:40.920 I don't know how many people. 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:42.600 But you're an owner, shouldn't you? 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.600 I know, but I don't let the manager. 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:58.200 Okay, So Joe, you also read again when I do research. 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:03.360 You were your Baroni's and you found a guitar. You 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:04.840 had to buy what they have in. 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.640 The valley, and I found I found a holy grailed guitar. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.680 Luthier named David Neely who's on Sunset Bulevard took in 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.680 this guitar and it was painted red and I was 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.400 looking at it, and I go, this looks like a 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:23.240 fifty nine sun vers Les Paul to me, but disguised 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.520 to somebody painted over it. And I ended up making 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.760 an offer to the guy who wanted to get it 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.520 restored because he painted it in nineteen sixty seven. He 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.920 took the offer and I took the paint off of 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.880 it and I found one of the flamiest fifty nine. 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:41.760 It's like a strata Varius of electric guitars. And I 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.760 call it Lazarus because it kind of rose from the dead, 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.440 and that all happened at Baronis, surrounded by other guitar 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.200 experts who were telling me I was out of my mind. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:52.720 And this is a quarter of a million dollar guitar, 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.000 about right, Yeah, question about that, because you have so 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.440 many of them, Joe, and I'm gonna let me switch 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.440 into your world seriously for a minute. Yeah. 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.880 I've tried to teach myself guitar many times. I have 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.520 failed miserably. I have very small hands, very short fingers. 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:08.000 I just try. 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.640 It's very hard for me to get basic fingerings. But 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.760 I also I taught myself keyboard because it was a 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:18.680 very logical instrument. I really don't understand the layout of 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.680 the guitar. I don't understand why it's strong the way 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.880 it's strong. I don't understand the frontboard. But you have 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.520 so many guitars. The pedestrian question that I think people 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:31.520 like me would ask is are they really that different, 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:33.960 especially when you get into the world of electric guitars. 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:37.960 I understand an acoustic guitar, different woods, slightly different shapes 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.920 and sizes will make it seems like on an electric guitar, 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.840 the string is the string. And what makes an electric 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:49.760 guitar different from any other electric guitar? 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:55.440 I saw, I can explain this is the for the player. 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.600 Like you can give me a two hundred dollars guitar 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.240 and a two hundred thousand dollars guitar are blindfold, you'd 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.199 be like, it sounds the same, right, what you what 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:10.040 you get from an old guitar a classic is an 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:14.840 extra five percent in the build quality, the woods older, 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.280 the resonance is better, and you do hear it, but 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.199 it's it's subtle, you know. I mean I tour with 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.560 the expensive stuff because it's part of the show. I know, 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.760 like thousands of guitar gets show up every night. I 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.879 don't know, they want to see real stuff, right, so 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.600 I bring it. But I know if I play in 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.119 a two hundred our guitar, and you know, because I 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.560 think people sometimes hear with their eyes, you know, it's 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.119 like it's it's like if I play a two und 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.200 our guitar and I have my like turned around and 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:41.600 be like, oh, it's just you must have one of 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.480 his fifty nines. No, I got this two hundred dollars. 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.320 And what makes guitars special is the fact that they're 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.200 all different, Like you can play a very expensive guitar 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:55.480 that absolutely does nothing, and then the one that was 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:59.040 built the same day is the one that's the magic 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.240 and get you know, Gibson or Fender. They didn't really 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.600 have a process where they didn't have like their best crafts. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.439 They just they had order so like build this, build that, 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.879 build an ant, send it out, leave on froday, start 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.840 on Monday. And it was a happy accident. Like I 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.440 have three of the original Flying Be's. I owned about 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:23.440 three percent of the original run of Flying Bee guitars. 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.520 The reason why they're so damn valuable is because they 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.320 only built less than one hundred because it was a flop. 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.880 Nobody wanted this odd shaped guitar for two hundred and 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:36.120 seventy nine dollars in nineteen fifty eight, and it would 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.320 be a hard sell as a kid to go, hey, dad, 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.320 can you're buy me this really wacky looking guitar that 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.800 you can't even sit down and play? They're not going 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:49.119 that wasn't so the happy accidents along the line create 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.399 the demand and also the people that used them, like 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.680 the sunburst Less Paulsy you're talking about Jimmy Page you're 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.320 talking about Dwayne Almond, you're talking about Billy Gibbons. A 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.280 lot of class said guitar sounds were me with that 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.240 particular instrument, everybody just went why And they've been collectible 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:09.720 since the seven It just gives a I buy stories 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:10.080 I don't. 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:11.600 I was just going to say, it's a story. 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:15.080 I don't buy. You know, my favorite kind of guitars 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:16.600 is like I get a picture of an old guy 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.199 and pat in black and white playing it back in 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:21.120 the day, and it's like, that's the story, and you're. 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:22.800 So rather than give this to your niece and nephew, 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:27.240 why don't Why don't you curate? What? What was that? 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.199 But why don't you curate? Then that's important? Why not 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:34.200 curate some museums so so that that those artifacts don't 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.280 go away and people appreciate it just the way you describe. 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.720 Yeah, I mean there's a lot. I mean there's there's 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.200 a couple of museums. There's one here in Nashville, there 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.200 was one in Chattanooga, really really complete stuff. The met 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.560 did a huge display a lot of it with celebrity 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.080 owned stuff, And like, the reason why I don't collect 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.200 celebrity guitars is I played a lot of Hendrix's guitar, 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:58.240 played Albert King's buying the and the weirdest thing happened. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.639 I sound nothing like Jimmy Hendrix. I sound nothing like 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:02.200 Albert King. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:08.080 I'm like, exactly, that's where. 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.400 The sound is. And you know, I mean, the whole 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.399 thing is it's it's it's just a fun hobby for 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:17.440 me that that's spiral out of control. And I've been 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:19.400 I've been lucky enough to I get to use these 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:20.920 in my my day job. 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.159 You know, it's it's I love that you show up 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:26.159 to the gigs, because the gigs, the gigs. He's playing 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.399 the sixty eighth strand you know that. That's what did 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:29.800 you learn? 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:32.600