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Speaker 2: All right, so ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna dive in

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Speaker 2: hood politics. Prop this is special for me. We're calling

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Speaker 2: this the Art of Petty and the play on words

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Speaker 2: you may or may not know is that Petty's actually

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Speaker 2: my last name, and like, literally government, it's my last name,

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Speaker 2: and as a child it used to bother me.

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Speaker 3: As a grown up, I'm like, not us sounds about right.

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Speaker 2: So what made us start first of all was the bio,

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Speaker 2: says the writer of the Pettysburg Address.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the funniest things.

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Speaker 2: It makes me mad because it's my last name, and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, why did I not think of that?

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Speaker 3: Like, it's so brilliant. Amanda Nelson, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you so much, and thank you for

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Speaker 4: appreciating my ridiculous Abraham Lincoln joke.

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Speaker 3: It's brilliant.

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Speaker 2: I and super producer Ian separately came across your content

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Speaker 2: like at the same time. I know when I first

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Speaker 2: hit the follow within a day or two and was like,

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Speaker 2: have you heard of there?

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Speaker 3: Have you heard of as president?

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Speaker 2: And then you just simulately I was like, dude, I

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Speaker 2: just started and it's and I think there's a there's

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Speaker 2: a kindred spirit in the sense of like history being

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Speaker 2: actually not that difficult to grasp if you just speak

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Speaker 2: like a regular ass human you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: and politics the same, Like, you know, the premise of

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Speaker 2: the whole show is that, like if you understand inner

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Speaker 2: city living, you understand politics. Like if you grew up

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Speaker 2: in and around our streets, it's really not that different.

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Speaker 2: You know. Even whether you was like a nerd, you know,

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Speaker 2: running as fast as you can to the library, you

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Speaker 2: still knew I better not go down Seventh Street because

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Speaker 2: like you still know how this works, you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, or whether you were completely outside, like you know,

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Speaker 2: stealing people's bikes, like you get it, you know. So

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Speaker 2: what we appreciated about what you do is is the

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Speaker 2: accessibility of it.

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Speaker 4: So thank you, thank you, well, thank you's. That was

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Speaker 4: the goal from the beginning, especially the you know, on Mondays,

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Speaker 4: I do a series called the Whiteboard, which is literally

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Speaker 4: where I track congressional legislation as it moves its way

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Speaker 4: through Congress or doesn't, as is more often the case. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And that was one of the first things I started

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Speaker 4: doing when I started making content, and people were so

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Speaker 4: appreciative of it in a way I found surprising. I

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Speaker 4: thought people would find it nerdy and boring and silly. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but it's such an unnecessarily complicated process and explaining it

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Speaker 4: in ways that people can grasp that There's been a

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Speaker 4: lot of appreciation for it, which I love.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which leads me to the next question, which would

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Speaker 2: be like, Okay, so your formal training, your upbringing, like

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Speaker 2: I need to know the origin story of the nerdery.

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Speaker 2: But before that, this is the week of the super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: So I'm just wondering as a Latina who's not a

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Speaker 3: Have you recovered from Beneatho's performance.

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Speaker 4: I am not a Latino. That is true. And I

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Speaker 4: just when I was talking about it, when I was

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Speaker 4: so apparently I am presenting, which is nice. Yes, I

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Speaker 4: have recovered because after the halftime show, I went to bed,

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Speaker 4: So I was in bed, but I'm nine thirty. It

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Speaker 4: was such a boring game like, I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: Game was trash.

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Speaker 4: Four hours of freaking field goals. But then of course

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Speaker 4: I went to bed and it gets spiced up.

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Speaker 3: A little bit. Then it became a game, right, but

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Speaker 3: it didn't matter. Yeah, so you're on the East coast.

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Speaker 4: Then I am. I'm in Virginia.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, no, that's that's absolutely hilarious. We are on

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Speaker 2: the West coast, to which the game starts at three pm.

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Speaker 2: But definitely my wife was like ready to go after that.

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Speaker 3: There's more game. She's being silly, but yeah, do we

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Speaker 2: We're at my sister in law's house, and she was

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Speaker 2: You know, since I'm a Cali native, I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: like I cannot ever cheer for a new England team. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I have like twenty Ten's PTSD for having to constantly

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Speaker 4: listen to the Patriots be off for show and everything,

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Speaker 4: and so I have an ingrained bias. Also their owners

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Speaker 3: Maga dude, and you're weirdo. Yeah he's weird.

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Speaker 4: So and Tom Brady is also weird, Like he's a

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Speaker 3: You weird man? Did you see his roast? Yes? Yes,

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Speaker 4: And I can't decide if, like Giselle leaving made him

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Speaker 4: because of that. I can't figure it out. I don't

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Speaker 2: But I honestly that's a good thought, man like, because

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Speaker 2: someone like a Tom Brady, like Michael Jordan, like Tony Hawk,

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Speaker 2: like you have to be insufferable if with your will

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Speaker 2: and drive to be as good as you are. And now,

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Speaker 2: my wife has a PhD in ed policy. She's one

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Speaker 2: her just doctoral nerdiness, there's a level of like will

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Speaker 2: both like, we're both nerds, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So we're both nerds in a lot of ways, but

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Speaker 4: Yes, anything else? The answer is no, no.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So okay, so tell me about okay, formal training

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Speaker 4: Why am I? Yes, well, I have a history degree

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Speaker 4: I was raised in South by very conservative white people, okay,

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Speaker 4: I've been politically involved ever since. I've done all kinds

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Speaker 4: But I've worked with the acl U. So I am

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Speaker 2: From, normal for where they are from. No, I respect that.

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Speaker 2: In your defense, the Philippines, y'all are the black and

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Speaker 2: what sucks about being what's great about being a Filipino?

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Speaker 2: My step mom's from the Philippines, so like I have

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Speaker 2: Long story point is that that makes a lot of sense, dude,

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Speaker 2: Like that thing that radicalized you was I'm using radicalized

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Speaker 4: Little bit, not a time, like I'm not you know,

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Speaker 4: I didn't understand, like I was born into this household.

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Speaker 4: Like we've all watched the same fucking NASCAR races, we eat,

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Speaker 4: the same total, we listen to I have to listen

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Speaker 4: to your stupid ass Rush Limbaugh. So like why am

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Speaker 2: I love that my undergrad was going to be history,

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Speaker 4: rephrase this. White Americans have such an ingrained, like inherent

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Speaker 4: And also when it's almost always, you know, like some

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Speaker 4: maybe I'm being too mean, but also I feel like

434
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 4: I'm doing them a favor, like you really are. You

435
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 4: have no actual self esteem, you have no self esteem

436
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 4: is built by doing estimable things. And when you spend

437
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 4: all of your time online just yelling at women, of course, yeah,

438
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 4: there's nothing esteemable there.

439
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 2: It's so silly man like, I mean, we're totally off

440
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 2: the rails here. But I love this because it's very

441
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,159
Speaker 2: important to me because I'm just like when my my

442
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 2: oldest was in like junior high, Like I was trying

443
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 2: to tell my wife, like I was like, the thing is,

444
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 2: we have been experiencing rejection since fifth grade. And it's

445
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 2: because planning this all week to go actually approach Natasha,

446
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: like you've been thinking about it all week. Why I'm

447
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 2: gonna wear the right outfit, I'm gonna do this. You

448
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 2: go over there, you say something to her. She giggles

449
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 2: to all her friends and runs away and says, ew,

450
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 2: it's just like, Okay, that's the first time you got

451
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 2: your little heartbroken as a little boy. Right, so fast

452
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 2: forward to middle school, Oh my god, will you dance

453
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,360
Speaker 2: with me? Ew know, okay, you did it again. By time,

454
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,880
Speaker 2: these dudes are in the club and it's like, hey, hey,

455
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 2: red jeans, red jeans, red jeans.

456
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 3: You want to dance? No or whatever? Fuck you? You know

457
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. It's just like, you know, you go

458
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 3: through this.

459
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 2: But all that to say, hopefully, if you have a

460
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 2: healthy sense, you start learning, like hey man, you cats

461
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 2: more bees with honey bro like or you know what

462
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like maybe there's a better way.

463
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 3: To communicate with people. And you just gotta understand that.

464
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 2: Like I just think you don't know how to talk

465
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 2: to people, like you don't know, like she got the

466
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 2: right to be like no, thank you, and you got

467
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: to be like okay, word, you know what I'm saying.

468
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 2: You shot your shot, Like I'm trying to be like

469
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: as bland as passable. Look, you shoot your shot. You

470
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 2: don't you don't make every shot? Yeah, you know what

471
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, you don't make every shot, You're gonna

472
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 2: hit one of them. You know what I'm saying somebody

473
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 2: don't want to dance with you, and you're just like, okay, great,

474
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 2: you know it.

475
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 3: Was a good time. You know, hey, can we know? Okay? Cool?

476
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's just it is what

477
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 2: it is. To your point, I think either I don't.

478
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 2: It's so weird to be explained because I just I

479
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 2: don't relate to it. I don't relate to somebody who

480
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 2: doesn't understand that, like, well, you're a total stranger, Like

481
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 2: I don't care about your opinion number one, And why

482
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 2: do you feel like you have the right to like

483
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: what is you doing?

484
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 3: Like it's just it's.

485
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 2: Embarrassing, bro, Like yeah, Like so anyway, I enjoy it.

486
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 2: But I think I think you brought up something that

487
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 2: I would love to hear you talk more about, like

488
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: all this to say, like this is the note I wrote.

489
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 3: It's like I feel like this type of.

490
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: Dragging is not only needed, but I think it's hotly

491
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: right and I think it's a divine, sacred work to

492
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 2: like truly roast a person. And I think when it

493
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 2: comes to you in politics, it's because you know what

494
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,239
Speaker 2: you're talking about, it makes it even more important. But

495
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 2: I guess my question is like, do you think that

496
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: there is something greater than just this is funny going

497
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: on there?

498
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 3: Oh?

499
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I know it seems like it's for

500
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 4: the lulls or whatever, or the views of the clicker

501
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 4: to your engagement or whatever. But there's very little that

502
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 4: I do in my content that's not strategic.

503
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

504
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 4: And again it goes back to permission. Like you said,

505
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 4: these men don't know me. Yeah, I don't care what

506
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 4: they think about about me. I'm doing great.

507
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: You know.

508
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 4: You know you're free to hate me. I don't care.

509
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 4: But I want to again provide a permission structure, especially

510
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 4: for other women who exist online and in this moment

511
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 4: especially wants to start raising their voices to learn how

512
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 4: to clap back, Like you have got to learn if

513
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 4: you're going to be out there, especially right now in

514
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 4: the world as a woman, you have got to learn

515
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 4: how to tell somebody to fuck off. Sure in a

516
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 4: way that that matter that they will hear. Yeah, you know,

517
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 4: because a lot of times men won't hear.

518
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: No.

519
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 4: You know that the president doesn't know what the word

520
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 4: that means. But if you can say it artfully, yeah,

521
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 4: and mean it with your whole chest, oftentimes it will work.

522
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 4: So it's it's it's almost like providing an example, especially

523
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 4: for women who are little younger than me because I'm

524
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 4: in my forties now, how to detach themselves from the

525
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 4: value assigned to them by random men who gives a fuck.

526
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 3: For a show.

527
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: And like the seasoning on top of that is just

528
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: corny ass men, Like just yes, you are a cornball.

529
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: Like that's where it's like, it's not the problem, but

530
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 2: it's the part that just like gets under my fingernails.

531
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: Is like you're so fucking corny, Like you know what

532
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 3: I'm saying, holding a fish? Yeah, so why are you

533
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: doing this? Like you're the same guy, bro.

534
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 4: Like it's the same guy every time.

535
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 3: Why are y'all? Who? Where is this esthetic?

536
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: And then I'm just like speaking your language, like I

537
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: don't know a single female that likes this.

538
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 3: Nope, Like who anyway, let's go.

539
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: Back to the to the professional even though I do

540
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: love that that's a part of the thing, like you

541
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: mentioned before, formerly trained in history, you know your whiteboard stuff,

542
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: like you're obviously very well researched, and I have my

543
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 2: cynical answer to this, but like it's just so bizarre

544
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: to me how specifically if we're gonna use these binaries

545
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: of like right wing and left wing, like especially like

546
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: content creation, to where I'm just like, Okay, we know

547
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: that that's a grift, we know that's a hustle, we

548
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: know you doing that. But like but even with that,

549
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: I'm just like they just be factually wrong to where

550
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: I'm just like I'm not even like I'm not even

551
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 2: worried about your position. I can't even get to your

552
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: positions yet. I'm just saying, like you ain't do no homework.

553
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 2: I can't square that circle to me. But like what

554
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: you do and I know what I do too, is

555
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: because I guess, because I guess we care about reality.

556
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 3: Is like do a lot of homework, you know what

557
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

558
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 2: So like I would love to know a little bit

559
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 2: about your process as far as like your homework, your research,

560
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: maybe some tools you use before you even put it on.

561
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I've there's been times I've had to

562
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: be like a guys A, I fucked up. I thought

563
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: it was you know what I'm saying, Like, I'll come

564
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: back and fact check myself, but.

565
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: I'll just be like I don't understand fact check it.

566
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: Oh, Like I feel like I don't even That's why

567
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: I won't do like jubilees or any I'll be like, man.

568
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 4: Oh I refuse, No, absolutely not.

569
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 3: I'm doing homework like yeah, yeah, no, that's not.

570
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 4: My actual nightmare, a stress stream of being in a jubilee.

571
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

572
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that the way that, like you were saying,

573
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 4: the way that it's approached makes a difference. So, like,

574
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 4: I'm not here for a media career. I'm not here

575
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 4: to make a pajillion dollars and become an influencer and

576
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 4: go work on Chuck Schumer's reelection campaign. I don't give

577
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 4: a shit about.

578
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 3: Any of that. No, thank you.

579
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 4: I am here. I don't fuck with Chuck Shuper.

580
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, no, thank you.

581
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: I am here with a mission, and my mission is

582
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 4: to help people who are probably just getting plugged in,

583
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: or even people have been plugged in for a while

584
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 4: and are getting tired, understand how power operates in America politically,

585
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 4: historically and now. And that takes a lot of digging

586
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 4: and a lot of research and a lot of fact checking.

587
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 4: As you were saying, So I need people to trust me,

588
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 4: because if they don't trust me, they're not going to

589
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 4: take my advice. They're not going to get involved in

590
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 4: the places I tell them to get involved. There's not

591
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 4: going to be any strategy to the ways that people

592
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 4: are formulating their resistance or their opposition to rising authoritarianism.

593
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 4: So it matters a great deal that I am right

594
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 4: in the things that I'm saying, and that it's accurate

595
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 4: at least. I mean, I'm not saying my takes are

596
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 4: always right. And of course, like you said, I make

597
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 4: mistakes sometimes and I will go back and correct myself.

598
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 4: But I mean, you know, I've been an American history

599
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 4: person for twenty years now, so I do have a

600
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 4: pretty big base of knowledge. Yeah, but I am going

601
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 4: to go back before I say a word and like

602
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 4: double check my dates, double check like was this person

603
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 4: in the House of the Senate? You know, what was

604
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 4: the bill number? Like I am going to do all that,

605
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 4: And that takes a lot of digging. Like I don't

606
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 4: I don't think it's on purpose necessarily, but going through

607
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: congressional records is everything is very scattered. Nothing is in

608
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 4: one place. You're checking fourteen different you know, resources, Congress,

609
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 4: dot gov and all these other things, and I have

610
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 4: to collalate all of that and put it together and

611
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: it takes hours, you know, hours. Yeah, but it's my

612
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 4: full time job now, so yeah, that's fine. But when

613
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 4: I was working full time, when I had like a

614
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 4: corporate job, I was in big tech up until June

615
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 4: of last year. Wow, So it was it was just

616
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 4: a lot of hours. It was eighteen nineteen hour days.

617
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 4: I slept almost a cheese zero. I mean it's better now,

618
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 4: but but yeah, I mean, I am very dedicated to

619
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 4: making sure that the thing that I'm putting out there

620
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: is trustworthy, is not emotionally reactive like I'm I think

621
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 4: that is something that separates me from other creators, especially

622
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 4: on the left, is I'm not trying to get a

623
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 4: rise out of you. I'm not trying to make you

624
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 4: so panic. I'm not doing that like that should terrify

625
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: every American And I'm not doing that. Shit. You're an adult.

626
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 4: If you want to be terrified, be cheified. I don't care.

627
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 4: Like your feelings are your own problems. Yeah, telling you

628
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 4: what's happening, how it's rooted in American history, and what

629
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 4: you can do about it, and like what people have

630
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 4: done about it in the past, when similar things have

631
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 4: happened something similar, it's probably happened, and so like, yeah,

632
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: that's my strategy.

633
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah again very much so like a kinsman like spirit

634
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: in that. Yeah, Like I'm not I'm ultimately an educator,

635
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, I'm really

636
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: just trying to onboard you to be like hey, bro,

637
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: like these people aren't smarter than you.

638
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: You know.

639
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: Yes, lastly, like I would ask because you kind of

640
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: just brought it up like some sort of like historical

641
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: parallels as far as like lessons from the past, like

642
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: do you have any that like come to mind, like

643
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: off the head?

644
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 4: Oh? Yes, how much time do you happen?

645
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: No?

646
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 4: I know people always always always want to talk about

647
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: Nazi Germany right now, and like I get it, Okay,

648
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that there are no commonalities. Of of

649
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: course there are. It's so important to me that we

650
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 4: focus on the commonalities that we have in American history

651
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 4: because we are so different from Germany. Germany was like

652
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: very ethnically homogeneous. It's a tactic a small country compared

653
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 4: to ours. Yes, they don't have the same issues that

654
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 4: we had. They had they you know, Nazi Germany came

655
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 4: out of a very particular time place and people we

656
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 4: are a different time place in people. So there's that

657
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 4: like study Nazi German if you want. I'm not saying don't,

658
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 4: but if you're going to study Nazi Germany, but you're

659
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 4: not going to look at the Black Panthers, and you're

660
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 4: not going to look at the civil rights movement, and

661
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 4: you're not going to look at reconstruction, and you're not

662
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 4: going to look at Jim Crow. Yes, yes, you're not

663
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 4: going to come up with any viable solutions. Yes, because

664
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 4: resistance in Germany came from the Soviet Union coming in

665
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 4: with right, you know. But resistance in America comes from black,

666
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 4: in Indigenous and Latino people, yes, and like we did it, yes,

667
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 4: and labor movements and all it. So you have got

668
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 4: to become more familiar with your own people, with your

669
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 4: own people. And that's a little difficult in America, right

670
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 4: because we're like, you know, we're not really a melting pot.

671
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: We're more of like a weird mixed chopped salad. Yes,

672
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 4: but we tend to be in our little on purpose

673
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 4: are separated segregated neighborhoods and our segregated schools, and we

674
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 4: don't associate with and we do like Black History Month,

675
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 4: and then we forget to read about any other point

676
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 4: book Black history outside of that. Yeah, and we'll do

677
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 4: like Indigenous People's Day on Columbus Day, Yeah, and never

678
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 4: read another piece of history. And all that is is

679
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 4: a disservice because those are the effective resistance methods that

680
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: we can take and carry forward as we move through

681
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 4: this administration. And we will, we will come out on

682
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 4: the other side. But like love it, even something like

683
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 4: the Guilded Age, right like that I think is one

684
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 4: of the most important historical analogs the late nineteenth century

685
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 4: because in the Gilded Age, we had an oligarchy, there

686
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 4: was no income tax like the Rockefellers. There was so

687
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 4: much corruption at every level of government. Jim Crow was

688
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 4: on the rise, was being born out of that era.

689
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 4: Labor unions were coming online and all of that, Like,

690
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: there are so many parallels, but we made so many mistakes.

691
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: Then we made so many We let the clan come back.

692
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: Our labor unions were segregated, purposefully segregated. We got lots

693
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 4: of things like the FDA and government regulations and things

694
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: like that that were born out of all this corruption.

695
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 4: But then we went way too far into scoldy moralizing

696
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: and got prohibition, which was a terrible idea. So we

697
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 4: need to avoid that. We need to avoid leaving behind

698
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 4: people like we did during the Gilded Age, because that's

699
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 4: what Americans tend to do. We have we like momentum,

700
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 4: we like forward, we like progress, and we leave behind

701
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 4: all these people who've been oppressed and marginalized and we

702
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 4: just ignore them. So we need to we need to

703
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: look at our own history and learn not just from

704
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 4: the effective resistance of the past, but the mistakes we

705
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 4: made in the past. And we can't really do that

706
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 4: looking at n to Germany because that ended with a

707
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 4: yeah exactly, I don't like he killed himself and then

708
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 4: we you know, set up NATO and left.

709
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's.

710
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 4: Not what we need to do here.

711
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: My biggest gripe was like, yeah, like it's she was

712
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: like the leftover Nazis was like, we didn't go hard

713
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: enough on them, you know what I'm saying, Like we

714
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: should have like really stamped that out. But you really

715
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 2: cook him man, Like I mean you already nailed it.

716
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: I see, yeah, Gilded Age slave catchers, Like to me,

717
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: this is like this is some dread scot shit to me.

718
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, and yeah, all that like

719
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: because that was like we're saying, okay, who's a citizen?

720
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

721
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: That was the dread Scott question, right or just like

722
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: you know, States rights versus federal rights, Marlbor versus Madison,

723
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: like all this stuff like you said, like we've already

724
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: fleshed out that in my mind is playing. But the

725
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: Gilded Age thing is like nah, dude, like you cooking,

726
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: because man, you got me all excited in my history.

727
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: But I'm excited now. I wish you could see my

728
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: toes tapping. But like, yeah, cause I'm like, okay, you

729
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: think of like the Pinkertons. You think about like the

730
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: ways for which a collective movement being broke in the

731
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: sense that like you had these you know, steel workers

732
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh that would strike and then they would just

733
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: go get freed slaves to be like, well, y'all could

734
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: go do this, And it's like what the hell you

735
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: want me to do?

736
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like.

737
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 4: Like exactly, yes, I mean any choice.

738
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: I don't have no choice, you know what I'm saying.

739
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: It's like to the regime like touche it was a

740
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: really good move, you know what I'm saying as somebody

741
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: trying to hold on to a regime, But like what

742
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: like to your point, like it's it's always like and

743
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: this is the hard part for me, even talking about

744
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: black history, which is something I want to come back

745
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: to with, Like the cost of this is different for

746
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: like African American communities. This this costs us more. You

747
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, it's going to in the long

748
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: run cost us all. Don't get me wrong, but what

749
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: you're asking, especially at that moment, going back to the

750
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: guilded days, what you're asking me to step into, We're

751
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: not ponying up the same amount of money here, you

752
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I just wonder, like you said,

753
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: like what are those lessons me living in Los Angeles,

754
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: like you know with the ice rage being a part

755
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: of like deeply student in the Latino community, Like what's

756
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 2: the strategic cause you know, black people get out there,

757
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: police open fire.

758
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like they gonna kill us,

759
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

760
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: So like is this strategic by us? Like kind of

761
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: like well we'll be in the back row, Like what's

762
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: happening here?

763
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 4: You know?

764
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, Like, so what are those lessons? What

765
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 3: are ways for which we can like.

766
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: Like you said, like, look at how America has responded

767
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: to its you know, hydra, that's that's rearing itself again.

768
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: Is an interesting thing.

769
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: But I think the last thing before I'm asking you

770
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: about predictions is this thing about about black history, this

771
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: being Black History Month. So the hard part for me

772
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: is like especially with like like I taught high school

773
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: for six years, you know, when when discussing blackness or

774
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: like you said, Indigenous Day or whatever, like, it's this

775
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: carve out, right, that is, you know, a corrective force, right,

776
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: but the carve out a lot of times tends to

777
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: just be like trivia, like vocabulary like oh.

778
00:35:59,040 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: Did you know that this person?

779
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: Did you do?

780
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

781
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: And it's like, of course, because you're trying to like

782
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: I get it, you're trying to wet the appetite, you

783
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But it's a carve out to me,

784
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: that's not in the context. It's not context embedded, it's

785
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: not a part of history. It's this carve voute that's

786
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: taught as trivia, you know what I'm saying.

787
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 4: And like an afterthought, yeah, or an adult it's.

788
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: Like an afterthought.

789
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: But then like you said, but then never talked about again,

790
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 2: as if like what it's like, well, we were there

791
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: the whole time, We're in every chapter, We're we're in

792
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: all the semesters you're about to talk through like we

793
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: was at all of them, you know what I'm saying.

794
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: And it's just like, so we're just gonna not point

795
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: at the black people for the rest of the year

796
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: when you talk about this while there needs to be

797
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 2: and of course I'm a product of it, like the

798
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 2: specificity of a moment to say, just want to stop

799
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: right here and say that this person was this, you

800
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, But like, what are ways for

801
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: which we can reimbed the female voices, the indigenous voices,

802
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 2: the black voices back into just the curriculum period, which

803
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: is bastardized by what Maggot's trying to say, you know

804
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like that, like the bastardized version of

805
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: that that is clearly obviously racist, you know what I'm saying.

806
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: It was like which so like a lot of times

807
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: we start talking about this, they'd be like, you know what,

808
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: that's our point, And I'm like, hold up, cuz that's

809
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: not your point, Joe, saying, that's not the point you

810
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: make it, right. The point I'm making is saying we

811
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: were there the whole time. Yeah, and I would love

812
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: to have the dignity of being there the whole time,

813
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

814
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: So I say that to echo your point about like

815
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 3: we're just.

816
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 2: Gonna stop talking about natives after indigited, like they was there,

817
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: you know.

818
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, Like, yeah, and it matters today, Like

819
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 4: I just got into it on threads or Instagram or

820
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 4: whatever some platform with some leftist, which is I'm not

821
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 4: it's not a criticism of leftism.

822
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

823
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 4: But he was saying like he was criticizing Kamala Harris's campaign. Fine,

824
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 4: I don't care Kamala Harris, but he was a white

825
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 4: guy and he was saying, she kept making pitches about

826
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 4: what she could do for the black community, but she

827
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 4: never said what she could do for white people. And

828
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 4: I was like, my good bitch, you made that up,

829
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 4: Like she went on All Black podcast once and you

830
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: took that to mean that she didn't care about white people. Yeah,

831
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 4: And like, second of all, what part of like first

832
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 4: time home buyer tax credit signals to you, I only

833
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 4: care about Black people. Like the idea that policies or

834
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 4: history books or whatever that have black people in them,

835
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 4: or that would benefit black people only benefit black people

836
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 4: is one of the reasons why we're in this stupid

837
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 4: situation that we're in now. Because, Yeah, it's bizarre the

838
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 4: recognition of how black and Indigenous and Latino people have

839
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: been in this country since the beginning. The Spanish have

840
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 4: been here longer.

841
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: Than the English.

842
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 4: Spanish has been spoken in this country longer than English. Yeah,

843
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 4: to put open in that that raises everyone's boats, Like

844
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 4: policies that benefit our marginalized communities, yeah, benefit everyone else. Yeah,

845
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 4: Like the rising tide truly does raise all of the ships. Yes,

846
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: And we we can't get to an understanding of that

847
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 4: without understanding the history because like take for example, what

848
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: we're dealing with right now, mostly direct attacks on the

849
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 4: fourteenth Amendment, which is a Reconstruction era amendment, guys, Yes,

850
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 4: and we're that Yeah, and the tax on the Voting

851
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 4: Rights Act of nineteen sixty five, which was which was

852
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 4: passed to make to ensure that all black citizens could

853
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 4: vote for us. So the things that are fucking up

854
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 4: white people right now are because you don't understand what

855
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 4: we got them in the first place.

856
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: Yes, that's my rant. You cook it now, you nailed

857
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: that's that was my exact point. You're making my exact point.

858
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: I'm just like, no, this is like, we were here,

859
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: We're part of the country. So last thing is like,

860
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: besides the prediction of not counting, Trump going to try

861
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: to cancel the mid terms, which is like I was like,

862
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 2: I don't know why we talking about Midtner, is he

863
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: gonna try to cancel? But besides that, like, who should

864
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Speaker 2: we have our eye on?

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Speaker 4: What do you think, oh, for the midterms over twenty

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Speaker 4: eight midterms? Okay, I think we're going to win the midterms.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think.

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Speaker 4: That the decentralization, the federalization of elections, the way that

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Speaker 4: every state runs their own elections. I don't see a

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Speaker 4: logistical way for him to prevent that from happening. Period,

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Speaker 4: he could tell states not to have elections. I suppose

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Speaker 4: the only ones that would obey him would be red states,

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Speaker 4: in which case we would have a congressional election of

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Speaker 4: only Democrats that go to the hill.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fine, yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's me. That's how we got the Reconstruction era amendment

877
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Speaker 4: was the Conservatives in the South state home and didn't

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Speaker 4: go to Congress. So fine, but I don't think that's

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Speaker 4: going to happen because there are too many Republicans in

880
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Speaker 4: red states who want to run for governors and who

881
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Speaker 4: want to be senators, and they're already having fundraisers. So

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Speaker 4: I do think we're going to have the midterms, and

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Speaker 4: I think we're going to win. And I'm basing that

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Speaker 4: on the special elections that we've been having, sure since

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Speaker 4: January of last year. And it's not just you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, special elections are different. We were like plus

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Speaker 4: thirteen on average overperformance and special elections. That's not going

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Speaker 4: to replicate itself in the midterms because special elections tend

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Speaker 4: to be like very partisan, people are very dedicated to

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Speaker 4: coming out. But in the last couple of special elections

891
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Speaker 4: that we've had in Texas, New Jersey, Louisiana, Republicans have

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Speaker 4: flipped yeah, And that is where I'm like, oh, it's

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Speaker 4: in the back, Like maybe the majority won't be huge.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that it's going to be a landslide

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Speaker 4: because they're going to fuck with it. Whatever voter suppression

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Speaker 4: is real. But I do think that at least the

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Speaker 4: House we're gonna we're gonna win, and the Senate I'm

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Speaker 4: looking at. I think Alaska is super interesting. Ohio, North

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Speaker 4: Carolina for sure. Everybody loves Recooper in North Carolina. Yeah, Texas,

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Speaker 4: whether you like Jasmine crocod or Tallerico, either one of

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Speaker 4: them are interesting. You know, Yeah, Texas could be interesting.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's love it.

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Speaker 4: If I were a Republican, I would be very nervous.

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Speaker 2: You better be, because like you can't pretzel yourself any worse.

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Speaker 2: Like I think people forget that, like ambition didn't die

906
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: when Trump became president. People still are ambitious and at

907
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: some point you won't realize like shit ain't working, homie,

908
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Speaker 2: which means is the last way if we got time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me ask you about twenty twenty eight. What

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00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: do you think.

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Speaker 4: It's too it's too No, God, No, he's not gonna

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Speaker 4: make it that long.

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Speaker 2: I was like, he's gonna I keep telling all my friends.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I think you have to accept that

915
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Speaker 2: he's gonna die in office anyway, but yeah.

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Speaker 4: He's not gonna make that. It's gonna be It's gonna

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Speaker 4: be vance although I think he'll have some competition, maybe

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Speaker 4: from Marjorie Tiller Green. I think she's going to try

919
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Speaker 4: to run.

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Speaker 3: Think Marjorie's running well about Tuck, about Tucker.

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Speaker 4: I think he might go for like a cabinet position.

922
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Speaker 4: You think so he's She's like a stupid little bow tie.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody would go for him. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Okay, stand at me. I really don't like you, but

925
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Speaker 3: we can't.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, he's so unlikable. Yeah someone, but so is

927
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Speaker 4: jd Vance to be honest anyway on our side, you know,

928
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Speaker 4: it's so early. Yeah, and I think that there are

929
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Speaker 4: people who are starting to poke their heads up now,

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Speaker 4: Like I think Osof in Georgia is starting to be

931
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Speaker 4: a little and he's the best fundraiser in sun so well,

932
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Speaker 4: the two best fundraisers are actually a ticket I would

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Speaker 4: really be interested in, which is Osof and AOC. They're

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Speaker 4: the two best fund raiders in the party, and that's

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Speaker 4: a ticket I would not be upset about, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, AO, AOC ticket would be crazy.

937
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Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily on the Newsome train. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 4: I'm not really on the Newsom train.

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Speaker 2: Sister Taylortle secret about California feels about news I know,

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Speaker 2: I know, which is not so much of a secret.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not so hot.

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Speaker 3: We we'd definitely.

943
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Speaker 2: Be looking at our like our like red our Orange

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Speaker 2: counties are our red.

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Speaker 3: States, and they'd be like Gavin Newsome, We're like yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, yeah, sure, hard degree.

947
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Speaker 3: Yeah no for real, same heart degree. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, I appreciate that he was one of the first

949
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Speaker 4: high profile Democrats to stand up to Trump in this administration.

950
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Speaker 4: I appreciate that that's not good enough reason for me

951
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Speaker 4: to make a president not the president.

952
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, you're not Yeah, you're not a flaming

953
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Speaker 3: bag of shit. I got it. Yeah, you know what

954
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Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like you're a DC.

955
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Speaker 4: Hell, you're not a fascist.

956
00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not a fascist.

957
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Speaker 2: Like okay, but you're willing to get on the podcast

958
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: because for some reason you want like I don't understand

959
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: where yo, where's your code? You know? And also I'm like,

960
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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, you know, a grown man like

961
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Speaker 2: that still slicking his hair back is it's just odd

962
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Speaker 2: to me.

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Speaker 4: That's gonna do it for some like sixty year old

964
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Speaker 4: ladies in the stuff. He's gonna have like a Kennedy thing.

965
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Speaker 4: You know, he's so handsome. But that's but so is

966
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Speaker 4: awesome here handsome?

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Speaker 2: Yeah maybe I don't know, bro, Yeah, nah, you just

968
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Speaker 2: I feel like you like, I feel like, here's the thing,

969
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Speaker 2: here's the thing about about we need to end this.

970
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Speaker 2: But the thing about Gavin to me is I'm like,

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Speaker 2: there's this just like sheen to where it's just like, oh,

972
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Speaker 2: you need to be liked, and like, you know, it's

973
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Speaker 2: this whole like la transplant thing, like you know where

974
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: everybody's like, oh, it's so Hollywood and we're like natives

975
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Speaker 2: are like those are all transplants. We're not like that,

976
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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So, but to me, he

977
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Speaker 2: just has that to where I'm just like, oh, you

978
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: need to be the prom king, you need to like,

979
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: oh you need this too much, you feel me like.

980
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: And to me, I'm like, ooh, I know I can't.

981
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: I can't ride like this.

982
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 3: You need you need you need to be popular too much.

983
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:09,479
Speaker 3: I don't.

984
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I prefer president.

985
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 3: I can't trust you.

986
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, they need to resent being there a little bit.

987
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 4: I feel like it needs to feel.

988
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: Like you gotta like you gotta kind of be like

989
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: I'll be all right if it don't work out.

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00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, there needs to be a sense of

991
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 4: service entitlement.

992
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: Man, my camera turns off every half hour. I don't

993
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: know why.

994
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: I stuff to figure that out anyway, but that's a

995
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: good sign for us to wrap this up.

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Speaker 3: Please, can you drop all the ad.

997
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: Mentions for your stuff so that these people can enjoy

998
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Speaker 2: what I enjoy?

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Speaker 4: It's Amanda's Mile takes everywhere except not Blue Sky. I

1000
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Speaker 4: can't deal with that, but everywhere else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Amanda's Mile Takes with the Pettysburg addressed. It's brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. Thank you, We

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Y'all go please, you know she'd be alway.

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Speaker 2: Are dropping gyms. It's just a good time.

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