1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to this Evening's classic episode. Fellow conspiracy realist. I 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: gotta be honest with you, we don't always line up 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: our classics as well as we have done this time, 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: but when we do buzz, when we do, it's totally 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: on purpose. 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: Definitely. 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah for yeah, that's one hundred percent true. What are 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: the Phoenix lights? 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 2: Well, in March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, thousands of people 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: in Nevada, Arizona, and Mexico reported seeing bizarre lights twinkling 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: in the evening sky. Reminds us a whole lot about 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: some weird bizarre sightings in some place called New Jersey. 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, New Joysy. But the other thing is, guys, 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: other people were seeing what appeared to be black objects, 15 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: huge ginormous objects of in the sky that just had 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: They were just shadows basically, with these lights attached to them. 17 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: And even two decades after the fact, that lights are 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: still considered one of the most significant UFO or UAP 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: if you like sightings in recent history. And now thank 20 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: you Fox News more than ever, folks are wondering about 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: the weird stuff in the sky. 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: Dudes. Before we move on, I want to show you 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 3: an image of something that I took last night from 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: my space binoculars. 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: Nice. I like those. 26 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: By the way, these are, it's kind of weird. There's 27 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: some lensing going on because of the nature of the 28 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: way I took the photograph. And the reason why I'm 29 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: showing you guys this in particular is that you can 30 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: trick yourself. If you're an amateur and you don't like me, 31 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: You've got like a cool toy or something and you're 32 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: trying to get optics working up there with light, Yeah, 33 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 3: it can really trick your mind. I'm just putting that 34 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: out travels. 35 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes. 36 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: And the way it's going through that lens and then 37 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 3: going into a camera that also has a lens attempting 38 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: to capture that image. 39 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: It looks like aura photography. 40 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: It does exactly exactly. 41 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: Well, hey, let's jump into this very precience discussion of 42 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: the Phoenix lights. 43 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 44 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 45 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: learn this stuff. They don't want you to know. A 46 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radios How Stuff Works. 47 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 48 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 3: my name is Nolan. 49 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: They call me Ben we are joined as always with 50 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission Control decond. Most importantly, you 51 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff 52 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. We'd like to do 53 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: a check in at the beginning of the every show nowadays, right, 54 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 1: feeling good, feeling great? How are you pretty good? 55 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: Not too bad, not too great? 56 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: Kin in the middle of the road. 57 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 4: I don't know. I never feel like I have anything 58 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: to add at this juncture of the sh I feel 59 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: like I'm just like a blank slate. 60 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: Well, I'll give you something now, I do it. Finally 61 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: went to go see a movie after all these years 62 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: of not seeing movies. I got to see the new 63 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: Tarantino film. 64 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: I really wanted to go with you guys. 65 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 4: Yeah once once upon a time in Hollywood. Yeah, I 66 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 4: have my daughter. And that's not kid friendly film, is it? 67 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: It is? 68 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: Not? No, certainly not. But in this film there is 69 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: a small part for certain Kurt Russell, who you know, 70 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: shows up in another Tarantino movie, and he has a 71 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: really interesting connection to today's topic. 72 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: He does yes, which will come to the forefront. Assume 73 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: as always as you listen along, if the spirit so 74 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: moves you give us a call and let us know 75 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: your thoughts. 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Today we are diving into a phenomenon 86 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: that many of our fellow listeners have asked us about. 87 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 1: Over the course of years, gears and years and years. 88 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: This has shown up and we've looked at it a 89 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: little bit in the past. But now we are diving 90 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: face first full into the deep water of the Phoenix Lights. 91 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: To some people, the entire Phoenix Lights phenomenon is a 92 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: cynical way of grabbing cash and some publicity. And you know, 93 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: in some respects that is true. To others, it's one 94 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: of the most well documented UFO sightings in recent history, 95 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: due primarily to the video footage available and as well 96 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: as the thousands witnesses on the ground and a few 97 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: in the air at the time. So today's question is 98 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: what happened? Where does the truth fall between these two 99 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: rather divisive views. To answer that, we have to travel 100 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: back in time. So here are the facts. 101 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: We have to go back to March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, 102 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 3: around eight pm, a little bit after that in Arizona, 103 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: specifically in Phoenix, Arizona and the surrounding towns mostly north 104 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: of that. Now, on this day, numerous reports all kinds 105 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: of residents from all across this area start describing to 106 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: police because they're making nine on one calls. They're making 107 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: reports this all over the place of these mysterious lights 108 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 3: that are in the sky. But here's the deal. If 109 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: you went through and you cataloged every single one of 110 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: the reports that occurred that night, you were going to 111 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 3: hear a lot of different stories about what was actually seen. 112 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 3: Some people describe seeing this strange V shaped formation or 113 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: sometimes it's they called it a boomerang, and it just 114 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 3: looks like, you know, like if you were looking at 115 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 3: geese as they're migrating or something, flying V. A flying 116 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 3: V yes, similar to that, with six lights, sometimes more, 117 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: sometimes fewer, usually six or fewer that were actually. 118 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: Observed, and other people amidst these thousands of witnesses claimed 119 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: that they saw hovering lights, meaning lights that moved in 120 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: discrete groups, or lights that appeared to fade after they 121 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: had passed the observers. And again, most of these observers 122 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: are stationary. They are on the ground. They do not 123 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: they're not looking through various instruments. They're watching with the 124 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: naked eye, so they'll have a hard time guessing the altitude. 125 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,559 Speaker 3: Yes, we see a large range in how high people 126 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 3: believe these things are, right, Yeah. 127 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: So let's trace the events because we're fortunate in that 128 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: this happened so recently, nineteen ninety seven, there's a wealth 129 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: of technology that wasn't available in say, the fifties or 130 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: the thirties. According to the National UFO Reporting Center, which 131 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: is one of the only organizations that keeps an official 132 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: record of these sightings, they received their first call on 133 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: their UFO hotline that night from a retired cop in Paulden, Arizona. 134 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: That's a small town a couple hours north of Phoenix. 135 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: And then after that initial report, the hotline blew up. 136 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: People were calling all over the place from locations south 137 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: of Paulden, and that indicated to the reporting center that 138 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: the aircraft or the UFO, whatever you want to call it, 139 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: was heading in a southeastern direction. And some of the 140 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: specifics from the reports are a little bit different. But 141 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: USA today, a few months after the fact, in the 142 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: summer of ninety seven, reported that there were several key observations. 143 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: Here they are The craft was enormous. Witnesses described it 144 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: sometimes as a mile wide. Two it made no noise, 145 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: and three it moves slowly over Arizona, often stopping to 146 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: hover in a single location. 147 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: And now that is generally with the reports that describe 148 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: it as one craft. Essentially that's flying together and all 149 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: those lights are just represented attached to that craft right. 150 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: Like on its belly. Right. So now we enter into 151 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: a tricky situation. 152 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true. 153 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 4: According to researcher Tony Ortega, there were actually two separate 154 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 4: events on the night of March thirteenth. We have the 155 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 4: mysterious v in question, that configuration of lights that so 156 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 4: many people across the say witness that was seen over 157 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 4: Prescott at about eight fifteen PM and then travels south 158 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 4: to Phoenix at about eight thirty. Then it passed over Tucson. 159 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 4: Finally at eight forty five. That's two one hundred miles 160 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 4: in thirty minutes, which means the v was moving at 161 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 4: about four hundred miles per hour. 162 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 3: And remember what Ben said earlier, these people are generally 163 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 3: stationary on the ground and they're observing it going in 164 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 3: that direction, So it you know where it actually was above, 165 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 3: you know, whatever location it was in that time span, 166 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: give or take. It's give or take you know, miles. 167 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: But still that's a big deal. 168 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 4: Well, in this part's wild because you had a huge 169 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 4: disparity in whether or not people were seeing it up 170 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 4: high or down low. 171 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: Literally, some early. 172 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 4: Eyewitnesses perceived that it was high in the sky, and 173 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: then you had others swearing that it was a low 174 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 4: moving almost a hovercraft kind of the hovering very low 175 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 4: and slow. 176 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, some people described it as being right above 177 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: their homes as it was going across, and that's been 178 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 3: depicted over the years as that other people have seen 179 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: it as well, above above the mountains, even because there 180 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: are several large mountains, especially in the Phoenix, Arizona area 181 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: kind of to the northeast, and people were describing it 182 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: as coming over those there's a huge mountain. I think 183 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 3: it's called Squaw Peak, right near the center of Phoenix, 184 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 3: and people saw it come right over top of that 185 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: mountain as well. Anyway, we'll get into more of the 186 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: specifics later. It's just just think about how fascinating that 187 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 3: would be to actually observe that. 188 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, and as we'll find, this is not uncommon 189 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: for the residents of Phoenix, Arizona. Here's the second event 190 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: that happens on the same night, March thirteenth. News of 191 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: that eight thirty pm siding that you just described, NOL 192 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: traveled very quickly and so more people were outside with 193 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: video cameras when the second and unrelated event happened at 194 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: about ten pm in the sky southwest of Phoenix. A 195 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: string of lights appeared in the heavens and slowly sank 196 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: until they disappeared behind the nearby astraya mountain range. So, 197 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: given that there were two different events, one of the 198 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: big questions is where people can inflating the reports. Did 199 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: these two separate events happen so closely together in a 200 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: chronological sense that later people are saying, well, I saw 201 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: something weird too on the same night, so logically it's 202 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: the same thing. I can see that. 203 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes also that would that would account for 204 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 4: the disparity right in height. 205 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, now what twenty two years later, yep, plus 206 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 3: we are or how much has been conflated just historically 207 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,479 Speaker 3: Now at this point, after that initial day of reporting. 208 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: It's weird and we'll see that mainstream media had an 209 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: unusual role to play in this. But let's see what 210 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: Uncle Sam said. Initially, lots of people freaked out. They 211 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: contacted military bases in Arizona and they said, all right, 212 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: what's what's going on? What's all the hubbub bub and 213 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: the military bases every single one said, nothing unusual here, 214 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: what are you what are you beefed up about? Or whatever? 215 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: You know, that's military jargon again, and later these military 216 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: bases and the government would change their story. So that's 217 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of foreshadowing. This is where we can 218 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: see a little bit of that telephone game you're alluding 219 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: to met and how quickly things got out of hand. 220 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: So we said, the event happened, let's call it mid March. 221 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: It did not become national news or even general knowledge 222 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: until June eighteenth, nineteen ninety seven, when USA Today put 223 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: out a story with the headline skies phone lines light 224 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: up Arizona on their front page. Misinformation was already spreading 225 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: like wildfire. Many people weren't sure exactly what they saw. 226 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: Some time had passed. That means they were in a 227 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: suggestible state. And we have a pretty accurate reenactment of 228 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: how those kind of question answer sessions can go. So 229 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: who wants to be the researcher? Who wants to be 230 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: the witness? 231 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: Researcher? Sure? Would you say it looks like a craft? Well, 232 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 3: I don't know. It happened so fast. Perhaps it had 233 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 3: a rough shape, a triangle, a boomerang. I guess, so maybe. 234 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: Boom cut and print and seeing that's all it takes. 235 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 3: The witness saw a boomerang. 236 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, because now we have Now we have a 237 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: witness who is very clearly not trying to like trick anybody, 238 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: not out to get any money or you know, be 239 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: on TV or whatever they're they're honestly thinking, well, I 240 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: I yeah, I guess it could have been a boomerang 241 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: or something like that. I thought that was very well acted. 242 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 4: Can I can I point out really quick I really 243 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 4: miss headlines like skies phones light up Arizona. 244 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: It's just good economy of language. You know, the British 245 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: are great at it, very good. I've got to send 246 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: you those compendiums of brilliant headlines that are like that. 247 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: Well some of them are very dirty puns, but I'll 248 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: send it along. The question here now becomes what actually 249 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: happened up there twenty two years ago, Phoenix, Arizona, nineteen 250 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:19,119 Speaker 1: ninety seven. We'll tell you after a word from our sponsors. 251 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. Let's rule out the theories. Guys, 252 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: what do you say, Let's dive into Okay, let's dive 253 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: into it UFOs. 254 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: Okay. Sure, So the first thing that we can absolutely 255 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: confirm is that something that was illuminated was in the 256 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 3: sky on that night. 257 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: Something definitely happened, yes, point checkplate. 258 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 3: I mean for real, Because a lot of times, when 259 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: you were thinking about these kinds of things, you have 260 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 3: one or two witnesses, right, or you know a small 261 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 3: handful of witnesses, and you have to just by critical, 262 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: you know, by the way of thinking about these things critically, 263 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: you have to question the veracity of a witness. Sure, 264 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 3: in this case you still have to do that to 265 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: an extent, but you have so many people seeing it 266 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 3: that we can confirm that something was in the sky, 267 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 3: something occurred, and there was video documentation and photography. There 268 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: were a lot of photographs of that night. Now Here 269 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: is where we bring in our friend Kurt Russell. 270 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: Okay, lay it on me. 271 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 3: Okay, So on a talk show, British talk show years ago. 272 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: I think it was around the time that Guardians of 273 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: the Galaxy one or two was coming out. I can't remember. 274 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: He was in two. Okay, so he wasn't one too, 275 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: but he was really prominent too well, Guardians of the 276 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 3: Galaxy was occurring. Kurt Russell is on a British talk show. 277 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 3: He's sitting next to Chris Pratt and the presenter brings 278 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 3: up the Phoenix Lights. He just starts telling the story 279 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: of the Phoenix Lights and Kurt Russell answers it wasn't 280 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: even a question or anything. Kurt Russell just responds by saying, 281 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 3: I know exactly what that was because I was the 282 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: pilot that that actually called this in when he was 283 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: coming into the airport. What And he tells a story 284 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: about how he was taking his son, he had just 285 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: got his pilot's license. He was taking his son, Oliver 286 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: to go see a friend out in Phoenix, and he 287 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: was flying out there and as he's approaching to land, 288 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 3: he sees these six lights and he makes a report 289 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: and describes him. He says, well, yes, they're unidentified. There's 290 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: six lights. You don't have them on your radar. Well 291 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: then that's odd. I'm just letting you know. And then 292 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: he lands and goes about his day. But fairly odd 293 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: that someone is prominent as Kurt Russell ends up being, 294 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 3: you know, a pretty major witness to this phenomenon. 295 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: It is he he has talked about it. 296 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 3: He actually named the what is it the call not 297 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: the call sign, but the tower or it's the the 298 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 3: tail number or whatever of the plane. Like he calls 299 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 3: out exactly what it was, Like, that's so cool. 300 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: So he said he's all the plane and could even 301 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: see the tail. 302 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 3: No, he knew it because he was the pilot. 303 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: Oh no, his plane. Okay, yeah, okay, that makes sense. 304 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: I mean to me, it's not that weird because this 305 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: is post big trouble in Little China where everything changed for. 306 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: Him, is true, and he's just flying around and just 307 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: seeing UFOs. 308 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you stare into the abyss man. So 309 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: technically it's absolutely true for several months. The Phoenix lights 310 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: were inarguably, regardless of how you feel about quote unquote aliens, 311 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: they were UFOs. People had multiple, often contradictory ideas about 312 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: what could have been up there. Some of these ideas 313 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: were more plausible than others, so much more plausible than others. 314 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: But the point is no one was completely sure. Ufologists 315 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: hit the scene very quickly, and when they investigated this 316 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: story they found wildly varying descriptions of the lights. This 317 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: is again important as time wound on, descriptions included things 318 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: that you had mentioned earlier, Matt, huge boomerang shaped aircraft, 319 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: luminous globes, one of my favorites, spinning disco balls. Maybe 320 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: those guys were already out partying with some hallucinogens or something, 321 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: in which case they add an amazing night. 322 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 3: It reminds me of descriptions of chariots of fire in 323 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 3: ancient writings, of having our understanding of technology in current time, 324 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: attempting to explain what we're seeing that is of a 325 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 3: technology of a further advanced time. Yeah, that's just at 326 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: least the image I get. I'm not saying that's what 327 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 3: I think it is. 328 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: Eric von Danikin. Yes, love to drop that name. It's true. Furthermore, 329 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: ufologists believe still that the story goes much deeper than 330 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: the two events that were reported. They often also insist 331 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: the events or either related or the same phenomenon, and 332 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: that the attempt to separate these events is either misguided 333 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: or purposefully misleading. You have vo researchers say that before 334 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: the lights were seen over Phoenix, they were spotted near Henderson, Nevada, 335 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: and then afterwards they were spied in Mexico. And then 336 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: they also say some people had strange reactions to the light, 337 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: encountering temporary amnesia or reacting in an oddly unemotional way. 338 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: Like they saw the lights, they stopped the car, no 339 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: one said anything as they watched them in silence. And 340 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: then when it was over, instead of going holy smokes, 341 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: what was that, they said, all right, well, Denny's closes 342 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: at ten, so ge get back on the road. 343 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 3: I just want to point out really fast that Henderson, 344 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: Nevada is very close to Las Vegas. It's on the 345 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: outskirts and it's to the north west of Phoenix. 346 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: Great. 347 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 3: So, like if you're imagining that line of travel down 348 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 3: from generally Las Vegas. It's that same direction that it 349 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 3: was reported earlier. 350 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: That's perfect to orient ourselves geographically. Let's bring in the professionals, 351 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: the professional non governmental UFO observers. Let's introduce MOFON because 352 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: they got involved in this, right, boy do they ever? 353 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 4: So you know how much I love a good acronym. 354 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 4: So MOFON or the Mutual UFO Network, is a US 355 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 4: based nonprofit organization that we have talked about many times 356 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 4: on this show, made up of civilian volunteers who study 357 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 4: alleged UFO sightings. MOFON is not officially persuaded that this 358 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 4: was an extraterrestrial event at all, and I would think 359 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 4: they'd be the first ones to be like, you know, yes, 360 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 4: we need more confirmed UFO accounts. So I'd love to 361 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 4: hear what their argument is. And here it is. Thus quote, 362 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 4: do we have evidence that it was an extraterrestrial event? 363 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 4: MoveOn said, in the form of their investigator, Jim Mann, 364 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 4: we have evidence that it was an extremely bizarre event, 365 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 4: but we can't put a label on it other than 366 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 4: that it was an anomaly. Man then added the Arizona 367 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 4: move On investigated three hundred and twenty five cases of 368 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 4: reported UFOs last year and the majority were explained. Twelve 369 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 4: were filed away as unknown, and that would be last 370 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 4: year for that would be twenty eighty one. 371 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: Thing, you know, move On is not a perfect organization, 372 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: as its fair share of critics, especially given some of 373 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: the political infighting and allegations of racism within the ranks. 374 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: But when it comes to their analyzes of these different reports, 375 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: they are from what we can tell. And again, Paul 376 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: Matt Noll and myself we are not members of Moufon, 377 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: but it seems like they would rather know the truth. 378 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: So if they investigate something and they have a plausible, 379 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, weather balloon explanation, then they'll take it if 380 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: it seems true, and that's respectable. 381 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 3: We were at a guy, wasn't that long ago? We 382 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: were at a MoveOn meeting. Not I don't even know 383 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 3: when it was. Was it twenty eighteen or twenty seventeen, 384 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: one of those years, twenty eighteen, It must have been 385 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. Time moves so strangely now, But what we 386 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: saw in that meeting were individual investigators coming up and 387 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 3: giving the reports about all the research they'd done on 388 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 3: specific sightings, and it was fascinating to see how much 389 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 3: care was put in by you know, each individual member 390 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: who like who knows exactly what they put in, But 391 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 3: at least the people that we witnessed the effort is there. 392 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seemed a very productive meeting. I was. 393 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. There were, of course, maybe a couple 394 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: of more eccentric people, but that can happen almost in 395 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,719 Speaker 1: any free public gathering. I mean, we were there, Yeah, 396 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: we were there. That was one thing I was thinking about. 397 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: And I have a question for any uthologist in the 398 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: listening audience today. How do you feel about people who 399 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: seem quote unquote too eccentric for a meeting. Do you 400 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: think it is important that they have a space to 401 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: speak or do you think that they discredit the overall investigations. 402 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have a badger in this 403 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: bag or a horse in this race, but I would 404 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: be interested to hear what people have to say, especially 405 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: if you have attended many such conferences or meetings. So 406 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: that's not where the conspiracy theories end. Some people say, no, 407 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: of course, these aren't aliens. This is just a cash 408 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: grab by people who want to build the credulous. It's 409 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: much worse. These are man made events, but they are 410 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: not made by the government you recognize. They're made by 411 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: a different government, a deeper government, a deep state, something 412 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: we would call a new world order. Some fringe researchers 413 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: active in nWo research believe that the second event was 414 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: sort of a red herring. They claim the military at 415 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:05,239 Speaker 1: Fort Huachuka south of Tucson, Arizona, actually dropped flares and 416 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: that those created the you know what seemed to be 417 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: that second event with the lights, and they did this 418 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: to confuse people and hide evidence of a psychological warfare 419 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: test that created indistinct shapes in the night sky. You 420 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: love this mat via some sort of holographic projection device. 421 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 3: Whoa, we're getting into bluebeam territory here, watch out. That 422 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 3: is my favorite. Well, you know, the other thing is 423 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 3: they would have known that there would be a lot 424 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 3: of people out looking at the sky because there was 425 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 3: a weather phenomena or a space weather phenomena that was 426 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 3: going on where there was going to be a meteor 427 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 3: shower hail bop right, yeah in a comment and it's 428 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 3: you know, if they were going to do some kind 429 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 3: of psychological research, it would have been a great night 430 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 3: to choose that is true. 431 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: That is true, And then we bring in the Heaven's 432 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: Gate strand to this web. That is the religious movement 433 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: often called a cult, that was convinced they would be 434 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: able to leave their corporeal forms and travel to their 435 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: religion's paradise via the hail Bob commet if they took 436 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: their own lives, which is unfortunately what happened. Maybe a 437 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: story all its own, So add that to the mix. 438 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: Maybe that's where the psychological warfare aspect is kind of 439 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: coming into play. But the issue here for New World 440 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: Order stuff is still one of motivation. Why go to 441 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: all this trouble? If you are a very powerful, shadowy 442 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: paragovernmental cabal, what would you have to gain by pulling 443 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: a stunt like this? You know? Is it just bragging rights? 444 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: Walk up and kind of you know, swing your business 445 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: around at the Builderberg conference. 446 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 3: God so weird, I can imagine. I mean, if I 447 00:25:53,800 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 3: really put on my tinfoil hat just to see, imagine 448 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 3: it being a test to see how the public is 449 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 3: going to react to a mass scale vision in the 450 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 3: sky like this, no matter what people are seeing, right, 451 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 3: if they're so, I guess the motivation would be if 452 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 3: we were to fake an alien invasion of some sort, 453 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: how would the human beings on the ground react? 454 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and how would we propagate it most effectively? Yeah? 455 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: So these are questions that currently do not have answers 456 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: everyone can agree on. We would like to point out 457 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: our Bluebeam episode if you want to learn more about. 458 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: That is a fascinating story, and it's one of those 459 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: that feels a little bit less impossible each time you 460 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: think about it, especially given the recent breakthroughs in imaging technology. 461 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: But so far we have been talking primarily about motivations 462 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: or explos nations that exist in the heavens. We're going 463 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: to pause for a word from our sponsor and then 464 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: return with a bit of a more let's call it 465 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: an earthly explanation A Right, we're back, And while we're back, 466 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: let's go back to Tony Ortega, who mentioned earlier. Ortega, 467 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: who is a journalist and has reported this for some 468 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: local papers, believes that he has arrived at solid explanations 469 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: for both of the events over Arizona that evening. First, 470 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: that infamous v formation. 471 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: The one that happened in around eight eight thirty. 472 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: Right, So, Ortega spoke with a young man who had 473 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: a ten inch Dobsonian telescope. This kid was named Mitch Stanley. 474 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: He spotted the V from his backyard and he was 475 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: able to see close enough that he could discern it 476 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 1: was a formation of airplanes used magnification of sixty x 477 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,239 Speaker 1: that more or less puts him sixty times closer to 478 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: the V than people who were viewing it unaided, and 479 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: he said he could see each light in the sky 480 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: was actually a double with one light under each squarish wing. 481 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: The planes looked small in his scope, and that suggests 482 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: they were flying at a very high altitude, which comes 483 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: into play later. But he did not know what type 484 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: of plane they were. There was no doubt, he said 485 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: that these were definitely planes. He doubled down on that. 486 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 3: And if you look at some of the video footage 487 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 3: that was captured on that night in nineteen ninety seven, 488 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 3: it looks like people are talking about this big black 489 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 3: V right or the boomerang. It looks in some of 490 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 3: those videos like there is blacked out sky with a 491 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 3: light in the center of it, and that occurs six 492 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 3: individual times, kind of in a formation. And again there 493 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 3: are numerous videos that you can see online of this. 494 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: To me, to my eyes, that's what it looks like. 495 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 3: I can imagine if it really were individual planes with 496 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,239 Speaker 3: the wings going out in the way they do in 497 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: that V formation, they're gonna overlap enough where the you know, 498 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 3: the blacked out sky behind those wings, it's gonna look 499 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 3: like it's connected. And if you've got highly experienced pilots, 500 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 3: particularly those who were in a military, flying in a formation, 501 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 3: it's gonna be so rigid and flying, you know, with 502 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 3: such regularity with that formation that I can imagine as 503 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 3: it's going overhead or something, you would visualize the entire 504 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 3: thing as one. 505 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally, I can see that. 506 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: I just want to put that out there. 507 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: Well, what about the second event where Teka has an 508 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: explanation for that too, Right. 509 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true. 510 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 4: This was seen as a string of flares dropped by 511 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 4: the Maryland Air National Guard over the North Tack Military 512 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 4: Range and or take a rights on this one. The 513 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 4: problem developed later when people conflated reports of the two sightings, 514 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 4: like we mentioned earlier. For the many people who had 515 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 4: seen the earlier V pass directly over their heads, the 516 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 4: explanation of the flares made absolutely no sense whatsoever. News 517 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 4: organizations didn't differentiate between the two events or report on 518 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 4: the Stanley identification. 519 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: That's perfect because that's one of the key pieces in 520 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,719 Speaker 1: this story. So USA Today, right, and a couple of 521 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: other outlets, they just report this stuff, hit the UFO 522 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: angle hard and don't differentiate between the things. That doesn't 523 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: mean that they're guilty of purposely trying to mislead people. 524 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: Just to the point we mentioned earlier, you're asking people 525 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: what happened after the fact, and it's very plausible for 526 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: them to assume the same thing was occurring the military 527 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: and government. As we mentioned, they originally said Nope, nothing 528 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: to see here, move along, mosey on down, out of 529 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: the way. They later came forward and change their story. 530 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: See Phoenix has two Air Force bases pretty near the city, 531 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: and two some weekly eventually brew the news that the 532 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: Maryland to Air National Guard was in Arizona for winter 533 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: training and they had a squad of E ten fighters 534 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: over the gunnery range that night. These fighters had dropped flares. 535 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: An Arizona National Guard PR officer or Public Information Officer 536 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: PIO named Captain Ellen Biens had determined that the flares 537 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: were dropped at get this ten PM over the North 538 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: Tack Range thirty miles southwest of Phoenix at a pretty 539 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: high altitude fifteen thousand feet, so they would be falling 540 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: in the air for a long time. Another thing happened. 541 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: Local governments came forward then incumbent to Arizona Governor Fife Symington. 542 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: I love that name. Fife Symington thought people were being 543 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: too uptight about this and taking it too seriously, so 544 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: he arranged a joke press conference. He had a lot 545 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: of UFO jokes in his beach. He even had one 546 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: of his poor aid to come up on stage in 547 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: an alien costume, and he was like, all right, everybody, 548 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: calm down, you know, let's just have a good time 549 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: out here in Arizona. But then later on a few years, 550 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: as the years passed, he pulled a total one to eighty. 551 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he told the story about how, oh uh, 552 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 3: I actually saw something on that night. I was mentioning 553 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 3: that there's a thing called Squaw Peak there near the 554 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 3: middle of Phoenix. He's the guy, at least from the 555 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 3: reporting that I read, he is the person who said, yes, 556 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 3: I saw something come over a Squawpeak and it was 557 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 3: like that v formation. It was the lights like that, 558 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 3: and that's right in the middle of Phoenix, in the 559 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 3: Phoenix area, and he apologized and he was just like, hey, yeah, 560 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 3: my bad. The the lights are a great mystery that 561 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 3: couldn't have been flares because it was too symmetric according 562 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 3: to his own eyewitness account of it, even though he 563 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: made fun of it. 564 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 4: Interesting, huh, preaching to the converted, I guess interesting. 565 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 3: Well, ultimately, what it sounds like is a politician that 566 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 3: was afraid of, you know, ridicule, because we do know 567 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 3: that there was a I believe a city council member 568 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 3: who brought it up in a meeting and then for 569 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 3: the next months and months and months she was just 570 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 3: made fun of relentlessly at her office and in public. 571 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: Right, right, And this remains a divisive topic for people 572 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: in the area or ufologists versus skeptics today. You know. Skeptics, 573 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: for their part, are quick to point out that, with 574 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: a few notable exceptions, the majority of witnesses were watching 575 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: again with the naked eye stationary positions on the ground, 576 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: so they can be easily fooled into inaccurate estimates of 577 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: very important factors like size, altitude, and speed. But for 578 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: the ufologists is one big advantage, at least in terms 579 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: of rhetoric and argument. They can say, well, it wouldn't 580 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: be the first time that the government did something sketchy 581 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: and then lied about it. It's absolutely true. The only 582 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: comeback you have for that is to say, that doesn't 583 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: mean that this is one of those cases. Right, Just 584 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: because a car has driven through Bedford, Massachusetts, doesn't mean 585 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: that all cars drive through Bedford, Massachusetts. 586 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 3: True. 587 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: True, I'm phrasing that in an awkward way. But it's interesting, 588 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: and now it brings us to the conclusion we have 589 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: to ask, what do you think. Let's walk through it. 590 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: Let's say let's just speculate here. Let's say that the 591 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: most out there conspiracy theories are correct that in March 592 00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety seven, extraterrestrials or extra dimensional entity were 593 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: time travelers or whatever, came to the Phoenix, Arizona area 594 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: and did a flyover. Thousands of people saw it. Why 595 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: would they do that? 596 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 3: They didn't know where they were, They were lost, they 597 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 3: were trying to find Hollywood. They saw the lights of 598 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 3: Las Vegas and they made a pass over Las Vegas 599 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 3: because they saw the pyramid down there, the Luxor, and 600 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 3: they were like, oh, well, this is obviously you know 601 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 3: this is the ancient shape they've you know, paid homage 602 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 3: to us. Oh wait a second, what's going on down there? 603 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 3: They did a scan, they realized it was people, you know, 604 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 3: just throwing their money into slot machines, and they went, oh, geez, 605 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 3: that's not where're supposed to be. Let's keep going down 606 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 3: the path here. They went over Phoenix and they were like, eh, 607 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 3: they kept going, sorry everybody in Phoenix. And then they 608 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 3: finally they made it down down Mexico Way and they 609 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 3: just stayed. They just stayed there because they really liked it. 610 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we've all been there, right, Yeah, 611 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: but at least in the state of mind, in a 612 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: Mexico state of mind. Okay, that's one idea. Okay, let's say, 613 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: what if it was US military craft? Why and how 614 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: would they do this? Well? Currently, this seems to be 615 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: the most solid explanation, but there's one big gap in 616 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: the story, one that rightly bothers a lot of people. 617 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: We don't know foreshore, where the craft originated. Nobody requested 618 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: the radar information from the FAA Federal Aviation Administration within 619 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: two weeks. The records for this kind of stuff are 620 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: usually deleted within that two week span, so we'll never 621 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: know exactly where those planes came from outside of you know, 622 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: these statements of journalists and statements from the military, the 623 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: mystery remains. 624 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 3: I've got something to point out here with the whole 625 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 3: explanation of the military craft being a ten fighters. Do 626 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 3: you guys know what an A ten fighter is? Noel, 627 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 3: Are you familiar with that? No, it's there generally referred 628 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 3: to as a warthog. Have you have you ever heard 629 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 3: one of these? You've heard them in military movies. I've 630 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:07,959 Speaker 3: wonder super loud? 631 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, that I was picturing. 632 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 3: I'm assuming Ben is have you actually witnessed one of those? 633 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 3: So I wonder if we can play a quick sound 634 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 3: for you if we can find one. If we did 635 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 3: find one, it's going to be right here. The A 636 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 3: ten war hog is a loud Dijet fighter plane. So 637 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 3: look it up in your time if you have a moment, 638 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 3: imagine six of those flying in formation, even if they're 639 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 3: at high altitude, you're going to hear them. And a 640 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 3: lot of these reports were it was silent craft. 641 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: Well, also, we have to we have to point out 642 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: that there are people who have problems with that report 643 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 1: to the idea that they were silent, because as loud 644 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: as something is, you get it high enough in the air, 645 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: it's going to be beyond the bound of human hearing. 646 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 3: Sometimes you're right, you're right, you're. 647 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: A And again we don't know. We can't accurately judge the. 648 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 3: Altitude, right, And we also cannot confirm whether or not 649 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 3: it was the quote unquote a ten wordthog sighting or 650 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 3: the flare sighting, because the flares would be nice and silent. 651 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: Right, Oh, nice, very good point. We hope you enjoy 652 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: this episode. We're presenting what we found to be the facts, 653 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 1: as well as what we found to be the more 654 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: controversial claims. As always, your decision is your own. We 655 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: don't want to tell you what to think, but we 656 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: darnshore want to hear what you think about it. And 657 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: there is one interesting thing I found that I thought 658 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: might be useful to some of us listening in the 659 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: Phoenix area. There is a Phoenix Lights Festival aliens or not, 660 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 1: it seems like one heck of a party. Since twenty fifteen, 661 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 1: it's given the Valleys electronic dance music scene a signature 662 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: event to call its own. I've looked at some pictures 663 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: from the party, and while you probably won't meet a 664 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: legit extraterrestrial, you're gonna have some interesting encounters. Some eccentric 665 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: individuals will make their way to you. You'll have some 666 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: memorable events. 667 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 3: That's right. And you'll never see me there. Why not 668 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 3: just because I because of your cost dance. 669 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: Oh it's DM man, you don't have to dance, just 670 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: very phil callings about it. Furthermore, regardless of what you 671 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: think mundane or something more, the Phoenix Lights have captured 672 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: the imaginations of millions of people over the past more 673 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: than two decades, including a ton of people in Hollywood, 674 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,760 Speaker 1: not just Kurt Russell. 675 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,280 Speaker 4: Oh sure, I mean the phenomenon was a key plot 676 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 4: point for the hugely influential found footage horror film Phoenix Forgotten, 677 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 4: which at this point has been forgotten largely. Yeah, I 678 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 4: was not aware of it in the first one. Did 679 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 4: you guys see it? 680 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: I have not seen it. I've not seen it. 681 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:06,919 Speaker 4: Apparently come out last year. 682 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 3: I've seen trailers for it. I mean, honestly, it looks 683 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 3: like a Blair Witch movie based on the Phoenix Lights 684 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 3: being the main occurrence, and that's why these people try 685 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 3: and figure out what's going on. 686 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: Found footage films are so tricky. Blair Witch was great, 687 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,359 Speaker 1: Chronicle was great. If you remember that one, Yeah, that's 688 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: where the kids get destructive telekinetic powers from object from space. 689 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 3: I actually haven't seen that one, and it's been on 690 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 3: my watch list for I don't even know how many years. 691 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: I'd be really interested to see what you think, because 692 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: they do pretty well found footage. But there's one last note. 693 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: UFO sightings, as I mentioned earlier, are fairly common in 694 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: the Phoenix area, and there are reports of strange lights 695 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: in the desert sky multiple times every single year. But 696 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: it goes a little bit further. According to the Washington Post, 697 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: Arizona has the highest number of UFO sidings per capita 698 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 1: in the entire United States of America. So if there's 699 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: anything where if there's any situation where something like the 700 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: Phoenix lights would occur again, it would be Arizona statistically. 701 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 3: If you're really interested in this stuff, we recommend looking 702 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 3: up someone named Lynn Katai. She made a documentary about 703 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 3: the subject, she wrote a book. 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