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Speaker 1: This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth

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Speaker 1: generation warfare.

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Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran,

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Speaker 2: This is.

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Speaker 3: Human Events with your host Jack Posovic christ Is King.

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Speaker 4: Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so,

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Speaker 4: Robinson had become more political and had started to lean

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Speaker 4: writes Oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate,

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Speaker 4: a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in

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Speaker 4: several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and

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Speaker 4: his father, who have very different political views.

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Speaker 2: Audrey Hale March twenty seventh, she killed six people at

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Speaker 2: the Covenant School in Nashville. We now have the forensics

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Speaker 2: on Audrey. I will remind you it's very sensitive because Audrey.

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Speaker 2: So Audrey was trans but was holding her her themselves

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Speaker 2: out as a female at home and then male sometimes

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Speaker 1: I want to hear barking, I want to hear screaming

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Speaker 5: I want to hear horse noises, I want to hear moaning.

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Speaker 5: Way are the generals.

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Speaker 6: Robin Westman, twenty three year old transgender Minneapolis shooter who

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Speaker 6: murdered two children at a Catholic church left a manifesto

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Speaker 6: of disturbing demonic beliefs.

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Speaker 4: They live.

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Speaker 5: We got him.

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Speaker 1: Authorities identified the suspected gunman and Wednesday's fatal shooting of

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk as twenty two year old Tyler Robinson of Utah. Well,

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Speaker 1: Ladies and Genthn welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to take a little bit of time

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Speaker 1: special on who was the accused assassin of Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Robinson. And there's been a lot of questions about this.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of theories about this. But then

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Speaker 1: one day, a couple of weeks ago, something very interesting happened.

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Speaker 1: A YouTuber by the name of Turkey Tom, who is

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Speaker 1: he had done a video about Tyler Robinson right after

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Speaker 1: Video and he said that in response to the first video,

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Speaker 1: someone had reached out to him, someone who was a

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Speaker 1: so after that person reached out, this leaker, this whistleblower

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Speaker 1: this toxic relationship, dabbling in not only leftism and trans ideology,

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Speaker 1: And so when you dig through these leagues, and there

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Speaker 1: twisted world of Tyler Robinson today. Liz Wheeler is joining

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Speaker 1: us around the band. Were right back Human Events Daily,

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Speaker 4: On September tenth, twenty twenty five, the roommate received a

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Speaker 4: text message from Robinson which said, drop what you're doing,

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Speaker 7: Hioight Jack with Selvich.

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Speaker 1: We're back live here Human Events Daily. And of course,

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Speaker 1: as we're talking about all of this, I'd be remiss

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Speaker 1: much yeoman's work on it herself. It is my friend

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Speaker 1: Liz Wheeler, host of the Liz Wheeler Show.

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Speaker 7: Liz, Welcome to hue Van Stalely.

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Speaker 5: Hi Jack, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So just on a on a on a you know,

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Speaker 3: This insider, this individual who was friends with Tyler Robinson

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Speaker 3: giving us a lot of context into how these individuals

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Speaker 3: And the proof that this individual provided, you know, photos

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Speaker 8: Daily investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on Casing's

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Speaker 7: Were all with Liz Wheeler. Liz, let's start digging into

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Speaker 1: Actually, Liz, I, because I've been, you know, sort of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's so demented, it's hard. It's hard

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Speaker 3: Tyler Robinson were engaging in sexual activity together, he said,

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Speaker 3: I speculated that maybe one of those times that they

438
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Speaker 3: were cuddling on the couch when Lance Twigs had been drinking,

439
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: somebody crossed the line. Maybe Lance Twiggs had sexually groomed

440
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 3: Tyler Robinson into a relationship with him. Again, the reason

441
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: that even their sexual relationship is relevant is because of

442
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 3: basic morality. When you engage in in moral acts, it

443
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 3: twists your moral compass into allowing yourself to be convinced

444
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 3: that wrong is right and right is wrong, which clearly

445
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 3: applies then to the decision Tyler Robinson made when he

446
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 3: he's accused, of course, of assassinating Charlie Kirk. The other

447
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: part of this Jack, the other part of the sexual

448
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 3: relationship that's relevant is during these times of Lance Twiggs's spirals,

449
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 3: as described by this friend, where he would go two

450
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: or three days without sleeping. He'd talk to chat gpt

451
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 3: in on it like you can't even it's not you

452
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 3: can't read it, it's not real words. He's talking in

453
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 3: Gibberish to chat GPT. He's talking to people in Gibberish.

454
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 3: It appeared that Tyler Robinson was still engaging in sexual

455
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Speaker 3: activity with Lance Twiggs.

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Speaker 5: So there's that's not healthy, that's not normal.

457
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Speaker 3: You have to wonder then, what this dynamic between these

458
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Speaker 3: two human beings, what was driving it, especially when Lance

459
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: Twiggs also would even when they had people over in

460
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Speaker 3: their apartment, take Tyler Robinson into the other room and

461
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,120
Speaker 3: loudly engage in sexual activity with him, sometimes during times

462
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Speaker 3: when he was barely able to communicate with the guests

463
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Speaker 3: in his apartment.

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 1: And I read those messages as well, and I read

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Speaker 1: with this friend and you know, sometime roommate was reacting

467
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Speaker 1: to and was describing and it's just it's so depraved

468
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: and it's so gross, and at the same time it's real.

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Speaker 7: It's all real.

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Speaker 1: And when you read through it and you say, what

471
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Speaker 1: type of twisted person could possibly get up on a

472
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: roof and shoot Charlie Kirk? And then you read this

473
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Speaker 1: and you say, well, you know, it sounds like this

474
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Speaker 1: type of twisted, demented person would commit such an act

475
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Speaker 1: of evil. Right back, Jack Pisobac Liz Wheeler, Human Events Daily.

476
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: There's some published reports out there that this individual, the roommate,

477
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: may have been transisting.

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Speaker 7: Did that correlate with what you saw? Yeah?

479
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: Definitely these then see how any friends?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the roommate.

481
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 4: Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved

482
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 4: in a romantic relationship with Robinson. The roommate told police

483
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Speaker 4: that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting,

484
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 4: and he did provide those messages to police. On September tenth,

485
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, the roommate received a text message from

486
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Speaker 4: Robinson which said, drop what you're doing. Look under my keyboard.

487
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 4: The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note

488
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 4: that stated, quote, I had the opportunity to take out

489
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Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.

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Speaker 3: All right.

491
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: Jack Selwick, we're back live here Human Events Daily role

492
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: with Liz Wheeler.

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Speaker 7: We're talking about the twisted.

494
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: World of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs and this toxic

495
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: relationship and Liz, we were just trying to during the break.

496
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Speaker 7: But it wasn't just alcohol.

497
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't just the leftism which has come out in

498
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: so much of these leaks, the hatred of Charlie Kirk

499
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: and all conservatives really, but also the the rampant use

500
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: of we talked about alcohol, but also drugs and something

501
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: called black market HRT.

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00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this might be one another one of the

503
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: under reported aspects that's truly critical to this story. This insider,

504
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: this friend of Tyler Rob's in Lance Twigs, describes Lance

505
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: Twigs as not just drinking too much alcohol, but as

506
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: a frequent user. I think he said he vaped THHC,

507
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: that he used shrooms, he used LSD, he used molly.

508
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: He describes him as a heavy drug user. In addition

509
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: to the fact that Lance Twigs, obviously born a biological male,

510
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: was at some point in the transition quote unquote to

511
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: a female, meaning that he was identifying it seemed maybe

512
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: when he wanted and when he didn't want as a female.

513
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: But that that identity or that transition included using hormone

514
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Speaker 3: replacement therapy that wasn't prescribed to him by a doctor

515
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: that he had gotten just from a local drug dealer.

516
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 3: I suppose that's how you get drugs on the black market,

517
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: meaning we don't know the dosage, we don't know if

518
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: it was contaminated. We don't really know what was in it.

519
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: We don't know how this was affecting his mental state.

520
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: We I mean, for all we know, this could have

521
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: been something that was a more toxic than just hormone

522
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: replacement therapy is in and of itself, let's just say that.

523
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: And the way this friend describes Lance Twiggs's life, it

524
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 3: seemed like this drug use was not just frequent, It

525
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: was most frequent during the periods of mental instability in

526
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: Lance Twigs. Periods of time when he was going days

527
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: and days without sleeping, when he was obsessively talking and

528
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 3: gibberish to chat, gpt, when he was having tantrums in

529
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: his own room, when he was screaming at people for

530
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: touching his trash piles in his nest.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's all connected, Jack, Oh, it.

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00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 7: Is all connected.

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Speaker 1: And what's interesting too, is that when you look at

534
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Speaker 1: and I'm just going to say it, there was one

535
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: another piece there where the friend, the leaker, mentions that

536
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Speaker 1: he believes that Tyler Robinson was shall we say, sexually inexperienced,

537
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: that he was a virgin when he moved in with

538
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: Lance Twigs. And I realized while looking at some of

539
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: this stuff and reading through that, it actually sounds.

540
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 7: Like this was in cell behavior.

541
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: From Tyler Robinson's case, that's okay, he's an inceell, right,

542
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: So we certainly have heard so much of that and

543
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: so many times where these downwarthy mobile white males have

544
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, kind of been in this in cell community.

545
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: But here's one yet again who is responding in an

546
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: enraged fashion in cell rage, which is certainly something that's

547
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: been studied. But in a way, it's almost like and

548
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: and this is just my opinion, I'm not saying this

549
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: is in the evidence, but it's almost like he was

550
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: searching for a way to lose that virginity.

551
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 7: He was searching in.

552
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: A way to be meaningful in engaging in these extreme behaviors.

553
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: The drugs, the perverted sexual activity, the furry behavior, the

554
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: furry porn, the cub porn, all of this is a

555
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: sort of way to dive in after having been you know,

556
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: considered himself an inceell prior to this, and you know,

557
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: then just kind of overdoses on these internet subcultures, completely

558
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: snaps and in a way, you know, people are saying, well,

559
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: did you do this as an active romance or an

560
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: active love with with Twigs, and I think I think

561
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: he was doing it looking for some kind of validation, right,

562
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: and it's just my opinion, but almost looking for you know,

563
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: like like an act of praise. He wanted praise for us.

564
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: He wanted to impress Twigs. Look what I did for you.

565
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: Look what I've done for you. And and you know,

566
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: of course, you know Twigs even responding saying that I

567
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: didn't know you wanted to do something like that. But

568
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: when you really get into these motivations and all of

569
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: this is certainly going to come out of trial, so

570
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: we're getting, you know, an early look at it, but

571
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be something that comes up the

572
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: motivation of what could drive someone to do something so horrible,

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Speaker 1: And I think this does It doesn't answer all the questions,

574
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: in fact, gives me many more questions, but it gets

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00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: you part of the way there.

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00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think.

577
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so much speculation that could that we

578
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 3: could engage in when it comes to this, and I

579
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: in a sense want to avoid the speculation and just

580
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: follow the facts. I think you're correct that it raises

581
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 3: a lot of questions, and if I were the FBI,

582
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: I would pursue some of.

583
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 5: The questions that you mentioned.

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00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: Another aspect of the of of the word that you

585
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: mentioned this this in cell culture, would be the lockdowns.

586
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: Were these individuals subjects to social isolation? Were their schools

587
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: shut down? Where did they did? Were they reduced to

588
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: being chronically online? Is that when their radicalization or their

589
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 3: mental instability began. I'd certainly, if I were the FBI,

590
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: be interested in looking into that, because it is I mean,

591
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: if we're going to try to get an idea of

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00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: the totality the context of these individuals, their lives, and

593
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: their beliefs, what motivated Tyler Robinson to commit such a heinous, horrible,

594
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: evil act. You do have to look at every aspect

595
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: of what has formed and informed this person, whether it

596
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: is their religion, their relationship with their family, their political views,

597
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: their drug use, their alcohol use, their friendships, their online habits,

598
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: their sexual habits.

599
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 5: All of these.

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00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 3: Things play into it and form the totality of evidence.

601
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: And you have to wonder, or I wonder I should say,

602
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: and if I were the FBI, I would be investigating

603
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: this when this type of chronically online behavior, this foray

604
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: or experimentation with these extreme things drugs and sex free pornography,

605
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: specifically the transgender ideology.

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00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 5: When that began and where it came from.

607
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's right, And that's actually not that

608
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: I cite these guys very often. But there was a

609
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: piece in The New Yorker a couple of weeks ago,

610
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: and it was called how Monsters went from Menacing to Misunderstood?

611
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: And they just in the subhad they wrote, for most

612
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: of human history, monsters were repugnant, aberrations, breaches of the

613
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: natural and moral order. What's behind our relentless urge to

614
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: humanize them? And so I think that's something that you know,

615
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: we really as a society have, you know, you call

616
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: it Disney movies, Pixar, et cetera. You know, we we're

617
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: always sort of looking for you. The whole movie series

618
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: Wicked is about trying to humanize and the Wicked Witch

619
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: and saying, oh, you know, she was just misunderstood and

620
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: and actually Dorothy was the bad one and see you

621
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: you totally don't get it. And Moleficent was a whole

622
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: series like this too, also pushed by Disney. And so

623
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: there's there's all these these these things pushed throughout our culture,

624
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: where we take the monstrous and we say no, no,

625
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: it's just misunderstood.

626
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 7: But we can't do that from a legal.

627
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: Perspective and from a societal justice perpective, can.

628
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 5: We No, And I don't. I don't think that that's

629
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 5: what this is.

630
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: I think understanding the totality of what formed the ideology

631
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: that motivated Tyler Robinson, who is alleged by authorities who

632
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: have assassinated Charlie Kirk. I think the reason to investigate

633
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: the background in the context of him and his motivations

634
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: and his ideological formation is because this is an increasingly

635
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: common ideology among young men in our country, whether it's

636
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: these radical trans groups, whether it's in Antifa. There is

637
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: a lot of left wing violence that is happening right

638
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 3: now in our country, and it is important in order

639
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 3: to protect our families and our communities and our nation,

640
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: the fabric of our nation at large, it's important to

641
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 3: understand why this is happening and how these people are

642
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: being formed into the revolutionaries, these violent revolutionaries that they

643
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 3: are because they aren't born like this Jack, They're not

644
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 3: born Marxists, they're not born murderers. That something happens between

645
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: the moment they leave the womb and you know, the

646
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: moment that they pull the trigger and assassinate our friend

647
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk. Something happened to indoctrinate them into this evil ideology.

648
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: And you and I are both Catholic. We know that

649
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: we have been given free will. We as humans have

650
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: the choice to choose God or to choose Satan. And

651
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: if Tyler Robinson is convicted of the crime that we

652
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 3: think he committed, then we know that he chose evil

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Speaker 3: and he should be held accountable for that, both in

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Speaker 3: front of his creator and in a just society like ours.

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Speaker 3: No one's trying to step away from that. But larger picture,

656
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Speaker 3: if we are facing the ongoing threat of similar crimes

657
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Speaker 3: being committed against those that we love, we need to

658
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Speaker 3: understand the formation of these people so that we can

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Speaker 3: make an effort as a society to stop it.

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Speaker 7: It's really as simple as that.

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Speaker 1: And when I served at Guantanamo Bay and came face

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Speaker 1: to face with radical Islam and some of the most

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Speaker 1: horrific Radical ISLAMI killers that our country has ever seen,

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Speaker 1: I still spent time trying to unpack their radical ideology

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Speaker 1: and learning about what it was about Radical Islam that

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Speaker 1: made them commit the acts that they did. It didn't

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Speaker 1: mean that that it absolved them from the acts or

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Speaker 1: something like that.

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Speaker 7: No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: It was about understanding an ideology and an enemy that

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Speaker 1: was facing my country, my family.

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Speaker 7: That needed to be stopped. Will be right back, Jack,

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Speaker 7: the sooviek was really.

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Speaker 4: Am filing a notice of intent to seek the duck penalty.

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Speaker 4: I do not take this decision lightly, and it is

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Speaker 4: a decision I have made independently as County Attorney, based

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Speaker 4: solely on the available evidence and circumstances and nature of

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Speaker 4: the crime.

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Speaker 7: All right, Jack Rezovic back live here.

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Speaker 1: Human Events Daily were on with Liz Wheeler, and the

681
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: more and more that I read about the twisted world

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Speaker 1: of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigged, it reminds me so much.

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Speaker 7: Of the story. You know.

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Speaker 1: The case was called the Crime of the Century. Leopold

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Speaker 1: and Loeb. Leopold and Lobe were two American murderers in

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty four in Chicago, and there are several movies

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Speaker 1: about this, one of which has.

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00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 7: Jimmy Stewarts now for Pitchcock movie. It's a great one.

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Speaker 1: And the two of them were highly intelligent, they were

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Speaker 1: highly successful scholastically, and yet they decided to prove their

691
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: intellect and to prove how better they were than others,

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Speaker 1: that they would kidnap and murder a fourteen year old

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Speaker 1: named Bobby Franks, who they knew. And they were two

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Speaker 1: people who were caught and had done this because simply

695
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Speaker 1: they decided to to show their prowess.

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Speaker 7: Now they were given life in prison. They were not executed.

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Speaker 1: I believe they should have been executed because again, in

698
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: this case, they made this decision, They made this horrific

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Speaker 1: decision to do this. And we know that Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 1: was a believer in the death penalty, that Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 1: was someone who read the Bible and said, this shows

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Speaker 1: me that God has ordered the death penalty for those

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Speaker 1: heinous crimes. And funny enough, or funnily enough, I suppose

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Speaker 1: I should say that their defense attorney was none other

705
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Speaker 1: than Clarence Darrow himself. Yes, the very same Clarence Darrow

706
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Speaker 1: from the Scopes monkey trial, a famous atheist in his

707
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Speaker 1: own right and chipped away at American justice and American

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Speaker 1: capital punishment. And so we see a lot of similarities.

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Speaker 1: We see because there was a lot of sexual activity

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Speaker 1: and what they claimed was abuse, and they were in

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Speaker 1: a homosexual affair with themselves.

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Speaker 7: That's why it reminds me. Reminded me so much of this.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Liz, when we look at the totality

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Speaker 1: of all of this, you know, Leopold and Loebe, that

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Speaker 1: was one hundred years ago, exactly one hundred years ago

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Speaker 1: under one and here we are one hundred years later.

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Speaker 1: And the only difference, I suppose you could say is

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Speaker 1: it wasn't just homosexuality, it was transsexuality.

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Speaker 7: In this case.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the connective tissue.

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Speaker 3: There is godlessness, right, both of which are votche of

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Speaker 3: what require it in order to be a practitioner. Listen, Jack,

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Speaker 3: I think one of the things too, about the transgender

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Speaker 3: ideology we have talked, or we had begun to talk

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Speaker 3: as as a nation, not just in the conservative movement,

726
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Speaker 3: about this thread of violence that is included in the

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Speaker 3: transgender ideology, and I think it's worth noting how it

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Speaker 3: applies to this case too. I wrote a book two

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Speaker 3: years ago about the assault on America's kids, and I

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Speaker 3: noted that at the time, critical race theory was the

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Speaker 3: thing that was the topic, that was you know, young

732
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Speaker 3: white children in school were being told that they were

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Speaker 3: irredeemably racist because of the color of their skin. There

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Speaker 3: was nothing they could do about it, because of crimes

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Speaker 3: or wrongdoings that were committed by generations ago by people

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Speaker 3: who happened to share the same skin color. Young black

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Speaker 3: children were being told that they were press based on

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Speaker 3: the color of their skin. There was nothing they could

739
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Speaker 3: do about it, and this creates in children such an.

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Speaker 5: Incredible self loathing.

741
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Speaker 3: Imagine being told that you're evil in there, not because

742
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Speaker 3: of anything you've done or thought or said, or how

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Speaker 3: you've treated other people.

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Speaker 5: But just based on what you look like, based on

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Speaker 5: who you are.

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Speaker 3: Conversely, imagine what it's like to be told that you're

747
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Speaker 3: oppressed and that you're never going to succeed based on

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Speaker 3: just what you look like. This creates an identity crisis,

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Speaker 3: and intentionally so.

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Speaker 5: In young children. And I call it the one two punch.

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Speaker 3: So children are being indoctrinated in critical race theory, and

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Speaker 3: especially this applies to young white children for the purpose

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Speaker 3: of this illustration. They have their identity torn down, they

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Speaker 3: feel self loathing, and that's the first punch and incomes

755
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Speaker 3: this second ideology, this transgender ideology that says, listen, you

756
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Speaker 3: might have been labeled as the oppressor because of the

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Speaker 3: color of your skin, and there's nothing you can do

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Speaker 3: to redeem yourself from that.

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Speaker 5: But I'm offering you this anecdote.

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Speaker 3: I'm offering you the opportunity if you put on the

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Speaker 3: mantle of the transgender ideology, if you reject who you are,

762
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Speaker 3: reject your parents, reject your person, reject your God, reject

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Speaker 3: your body, then you.

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Speaker 5: Can be one of us. You can be one of

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Speaker 5: the victims. You can be one of the oppressed, and

766
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Speaker 5: you're no longer the bad guy.

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Speaker 3: We will give you back your self worth and your

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Speaker 3: identity if you take on an artificial identity. And it

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Speaker 3: served as this one two punch to transform young people

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Speaker 3: from just normal kids going to school operating in society

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Speaker 3: to these radical revolutionaries. And both Tyler Robinson and Lance

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Speaker 3: Twigs are of the age that they would have been

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Speaker 3: victims of this one two punch, not just in public schools,

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Speaker 3: but in society at large. That young white men are

775
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Speaker 3: told that they're disgusting because they're white.

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Speaker 5: They're told that they're.

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Speaker 3: Evil, and the only thing they can do is reject

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Speaker 3: their by alot their god given biology and becomes something else.

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Speaker 5: And what happens when they do this.

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Speaker 3: The only requirement in order to go from being an

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Speaker 3: oppressor to being oppressed is that you reject all objective reality,

782
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Speaker 3: that you pay fealty instead to the Marxist ideology, and

783
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Speaker 3: you have to sometimes be willing to give your very

784
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: life to overthrow the oppressors who now want to genocide

785
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: you as the oppressed. And what happens is these young

786
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: people are not just mentally ideologically brainwashed, they are now

787
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Speaker 3: willing to physically carry out this ideology. It turns them

788
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Speaker 3: into essentially comic causes, these suicide actors in a sense,

789
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Speaker 3: for the Marxist dialectic that underpins the transgender ideology. And

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Speaker 3: of course that element exists. I know Tyler Robinson wasn't

791
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Speaker 3: the one who was transitioning. He wasn't on the hormone

792
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Speaker 3: replacement therapy, but he was engaging in sexual activity with

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Speaker 3: someone who was so, at the very least intellectually, he

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Speaker 3: was captured by this ideology too.

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Speaker 7: Most likely, No, there's no question.

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Speaker 1: I was just pulling up some other stuff on Leopold

797
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Speaker 1: and Loeb By the way, for folks who might not know,

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Speaker 1: the Alfred Hitchcock movie is rope by the way Jimmy Stewart,

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Speaker 1: It's just a fantastic It's a classic. I think most

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Speaker 1: of the film, or possibly all the film was done

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Speaker 1: in one shot. Richard Loeb was seen as the dominant one, charismatic, confident,

802
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: obsessed with crime, as an intellectual gang Leopold who is

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Speaker 1: the one who obs test and idolized over Lobe. He

804
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: was highly intelligent IQ over two hundred by some estimates,

805
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: but became emotionally dependent on Lobe, deeply infatuated with Lobe,

806
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: willing to go along with anything that Lobe wanted, and

807
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: in their relationship, Leopold often deferred to Lobe's wishes both

808
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,479
Speaker 1: sexually and in their criminal activities. Liz I got to say,

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Speaker 1: I'm probably going to be going down the rabbit hole

810
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: on this for the rest of the evening because the

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00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: similarities are just so stark, and they're both eighteen, and

812
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Speaker 1: they were eighteen and nineteen at the time of the crime,

813
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: were they Yep.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's pretty wild. I mean, that's pretty wild.

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Speaker 3: I suspect Jack that if we the public were given

816
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Speaker 3: access to, you know, the accounts of Lance Twigs and

817
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Speaker 3: Tyler Robinson and said, like, listen, here's their online footprint.

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Speaker 3: Here's their computer, here's their phone, Like, go nuts, find

819
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Speaker 3: out what they looked up, what they read, what they wrote,

820
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Speaker 3: what they watched, what they did. I suspect you would

821
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: find trails that would lead you back to stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Right, And of course you know and by the way,

823
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: like I want to be very very clear about this

824
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: that I'm just talking about. You know, this previous case

825
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: we're theorizing where we're looking at some of these leaks

826
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Speaker 1: and asking questions. I don't know or have any evidence

827
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Speaker 1: in any way to say that Lance Twigs was involved

828
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Speaker 1: in this. The evidence doesn't seem to show that. The

829
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Speaker 1: evidence seems to show that in this case, it was

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00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: not something that they planned together. It seems like it

831
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Speaker 1: was something that Tyler Robinson again based on the evidence

832
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Speaker 1: that Tyler Robinson did on his own as a form

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Speaker 1: of pleasing to Twigs, as a form of wanting to

834
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Speaker 1: receive praise, which would also fit in with being emotionally dependent.

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Speaker 1: So he's wanting that praise and but again being highly intelligent. Right,

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Speaker 1: They mentioned that Tyler Robinson was in an electronics program

837
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Speaker 1: and excuse me, an engineering program, that he was someone

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Speaker 1: who was highly intelligent as well as Twigs himself had

839
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Speaker 1: been a former Gifted student, but they had both sort

840
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Speaker 1: of dropped out of their respective program, so you see.

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Speaker 7: A lot of the similarities. Only about a minute left.

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Speaker 1: Liz Wheeler, thank you so much for doing the yeomen's

843
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: work on this, doing the heavy lifting. Where can people

844
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Speaker 1: go to get everything that you're going to be putting

845
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Speaker 1: out on this?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for having me Jack. You can go to

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Speaker 5: YouTube dot com slash Liz Wheeler.

848
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Speaker 3: You can follow me on x X dot com slash

849
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Speaker 3: Liz Underscore Wheeler, and we have video on Spotify now,

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00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 3: so if you go to Spotify app and search the

851
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 3: Liz Wheeler Show, we are on there too, and it's

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00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 3: censorship free, so it's a great app.

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Speaker 5: If you're not able to catch us live.

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Speaker 1: No, that's absolutely incredible, And I know that a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are going to be listening to this live

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00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: and I really do hope that this and that you

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Speaker 1: share it with others, that you get it out there,

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Speaker 1: because we know there's been a lot of questions about this.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of questions as well for those

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Speaker 1: of us who do him, and as we start to

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Speaker 1: get answers, we can start to unpack the twisted and

862
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: demented truth about what happened to our friend Charlie Kirk

863
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Speaker 1: and his family deserves that, and his kids deserve that.

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Speaker 7: So that's what we're going to do. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 7: As always, you have my permissions to lay short