1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Drive by him Dale Lally. He 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson. We are live here at the NFL 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: Owner meetings. Uh here in the lovely builtmore Telling Phoenix. 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: This is a I always love coming to these things 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: because I don't get to come to stuff places like this. 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: I don't think real life. Yeah right, right right, So 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: any chance you can get into place like this, yeah right, 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: rubbed shoulders here a little bit, but uh yeah, lots 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: of stuff going on here. Just looking at some of 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: the stuff that came out of the meetings this morning, 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: and it looks like Josh McDaniel said that the Raiders 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: could absolutely draft a quarterback this year, even after signing 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo. Um, you know, there's there's a lot of 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: that going on there. Yes, a lot of teams could 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: do a lot of different things. You don't want to 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: pigeonhole yourself into one thing here, as I say, the 17 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: exact same thing. And of course it's ying season, you know, 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: I mean, no one's gonna be like, oh, we're definitely 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: taking a quarterback or we're taking Paris Johnson or whatever. 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: You know, they're not going to tell you that it's 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: lying season. But moves tell you things. I mean we 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: harp on that to show all the time you got 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: to kind of pull through the tea leaves. And Jimmy's 24 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: kind of like the Steeler conversation we had in the 25 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: first segment, like you could would be fine this year 26 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: with that, you know, if he's gotten teams to Super Bowls, 27 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: an AFC champion or NFC championship games. I mean, if 28 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: you're the Raiders, and I don't see him doing out 29 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: with the Raiders, but not this year. But I mean, 30 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: I don't know that it would be a drop off 31 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: from the quarterback play they got last year. NFL quarterback 32 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: or ability's my biggest concern with Jimmy, and he does 33 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: have a ceiling. But if you're you know, if we 34 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: were sitting there doing Raiders radio, you're probably like, well, 35 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: young and Stroud aren't going to be there. But what 36 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: if we love Richardson and hate Levis or vice versa, 37 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, And that's where Jimmy gives you some options there. 38 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: If you go out and get a quarterback this year, 39 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: you can you can have him sit and learn behind 40 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: Jimmy for a year, right. I mean, he's a good mentor. 41 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: He's considered a great team mate. He's been around the block, 42 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: he's been to Super Bowls, he's won Ala Jim, he 43 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: would have to be the one like this is all 44 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: I ever do anymore, what's going on here. But he 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: may have found his niche in life too. I mean, 46 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: I don't think be that guy. He's gonna be that 47 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: guy and a good one, a higher end version of that, 48 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: you know. So it's interesting. I mean, they obviously have 49 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: a lot of defensive needs. They could get an offensive 50 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: line in there as well. The Raiders are an interesting team. 51 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I think they made a mistake a year ago, 52 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: like when they made the going for it. I think 53 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: they pushed their chips in and on the Vegas you 54 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: know table there, the poker table, and probably should have 55 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: pulled back and said, let's not trade for Davante Adams 56 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: and maybe we should sell a piece or two as 57 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: opposed to h you know, going all in to try 58 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: to win today. I mean, especially in the Chief's division 59 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: and all that. And I understand doing it, but they're 60 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 1: paying for it a little bit right now, A little bit, yeah, 61 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's the you know again, if you're 62 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: going to go for it, you better win. Did you 63 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: see the stuff most don't? Yeah? Did you see the 64 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: things the Rams put out last week? Well, this this 65 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: statement that they're raising their ticket prices, and they're like, well, 66 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, we went for it and we won, but 67 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: then we got to pay the piper. With all that, 68 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: all that less apt to go to a game this year, 69 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: all that FM picks is out the window now and 70 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: now it's like, give us more picks, right, I mean, 71 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: and Tampa is going to be in that in that 72 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: situation too, And fortunately for those two teams, they have 73 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: a ring to show for it. Most teams, the Browns, 74 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: last year, the Raiders. I mean, there's ten teams probably 75 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: last year that pushed their chips in and lost. Yeah, 76 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it's usually do and you know, the fan 77 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: bases don't react well to that, nor do owners. No, 78 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: but there's a lot offseason excitement. You know a Raiders fan. 79 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: One year, we just traded for Davante Adams. We're to 80 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: win Super Bowl, you know. Yeah, a quick Raider move 81 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: that we didn't talk about that I heard described this 82 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: way was I I think both of us did, like, 83 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: why would you sign Jacobe Myers when you have renfro 84 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: And I heard them at some beat reporter and I 85 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: forget who it was. Basically looked at it this way 86 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: was they could either pay Myers or hey Waller, but 87 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: they decided I'd rather have Myers and the third round 88 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: pick from the Giants than Waller at his age and 89 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: injury history. And if you look at those two verse 90 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: each other, it adds up a little more as opposed 91 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 1: to rent for a versus Myers. Yeah, so it's just Imman. 92 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: Waller's a big slot anyway. Yeah, speaking your free agency, 93 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: as we mentioned, Mike Tomlin spoke with the media yesterday 94 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: and I went to play back some of the clips 95 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: today here on the show. So let's hear from what 96 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin here I had to say. Here, we're gonna 97 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: break this up and it was about a thirty minute interview. 98 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: We'll break this up into some clips and talk about 99 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: what he had to say a little bit more here. 100 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: So here's what Mike had do say yesterday to the 101 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: assembled media. You know, for us, we don't view free 102 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: agency in the draft any different. We got two major 103 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: ways of improving our team and an acquiring talent, and 104 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: so you know, we respect both components. We utilize information 105 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: from one, it's a pertainous to the other. And so 106 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: you know, we're excited about what we have been able 107 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: to do thus far, but we're also excited about our 108 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: draft positioning because as a second component to this thing 109 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: in terms of the acquisition of talent, but specifically specifically 110 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: in the offensive line, we just thought the more starter 111 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: capable and started experience, like guys we could add to 112 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: the group, and an opportunity to create competition and raise 113 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: our floor. I think we were fortunate last year the 114 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: five primary starters made every football game and so our 115 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: depth was not challenged. It'd be naive to think that 116 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: we could be in that circumstance again, and so we 117 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: just felt like it was appropriate to to fortify depths 118 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: create competition, and you do that with capable people, specifically 119 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: guys would start a capable experience, and how we sort 120 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: those guys out, man, remains to be seen. We'll get 121 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: those guys in a competitive camp situation and come up 122 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: the best five, yeah, put them in a competitive camp 123 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: situation and come up with the best five. Yeah. And 124 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: I kind of look at it as they got cole 125 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: four guards, now three tackles. Maybe there's one to come. 126 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: But it doesn't have to. I still would love to 127 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: see a young, talented multiple tackle added to the mix, 128 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: but the chances are one of those names might not 129 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: even make it the opening day. I mean, like someone 130 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: can get hurt camp let alone make it through seventeen 131 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: games and hopefully play off some preseason two. I mean, 132 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: like that's unrealistic. And even if they look so, let's okay, 133 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: let's say you get through the end of August and 134 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: you've got you know, four or five guards who have 135 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: shown themselves to interior guys who say themselves to be capable. 136 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: You've got three offensive tackles or four you draft. When 137 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: you got four offensive tackles who've shown himself to be capable, well, 138 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: you're probably not going to deal a tackle, probably not, 139 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: but you could deal a guard. You could do a 140 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: team that that you know has an injury there, Yeah, 141 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: and thought since the obvious name, because he's the incumbent 142 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: and has one year deal and one year deal left, 143 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, there'll be plenty of teams 144 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: that could use dots, and especially if they suffer an injury. 145 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, So you don't have to No, you 146 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: don't you don't have to do anything you can carry 147 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: those guys, you'll carry nine, right, and then you keep 148 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: dots in and he leaves a year from now. He 149 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: helps your comp game, and you know, I mean, there's 150 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: there's benefits to all of it. So I think adding 151 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: quality offensive lineman is never a bad idea, you know 152 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, And as we've talked about in 153 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: the past, Matt, if you have five average guys on 154 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: your offensive line, you're probably an above average offensive line. Yeah, 155 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: especially a month in the season, let alone two three. 156 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: You know, when people start going down, especially if you're, 157 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: as Max was saying, smart more than just smart though, 158 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: as long as if you're not making mental errors, you know, 159 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: like we're a good line. But don't beat yourself. Yeah 160 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: I missed this corner blitz or I can't handle a twist, 161 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: or there's an ex stunt that we don't handle well, 162 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: or those type of things. If your assignment sound and sure, 163 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna get beat against Aaron, Donald and Garrett and 164 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: all these guys. You're gonna lose reps and no one's 165 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: saying you're gonna win everyone. But I believe more and 166 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: more at that position, the secondary as well, but especially 167 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: a line. I can't have Waldo, you know, yeah, you 168 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Well, that's that's what you do. 169 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: By adding depth at that position, you lessen your chances 170 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: of having Waldo. Yeah, out there, you got guys, it's okay, 171 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: this guy went down. We plugged this guy and he's 172 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: got forty career starts. Inspect and sometimes it's the no 173 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: fall of their own. It's like, these guys are so 174 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: tough and they're so physical, and boy, he's got an 175 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: ankle that the general public has no clue he's playing. 176 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: Last year Cole, Right, there were about eight different Mondays 177 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: during the season last year where Mason Cole on Monday 178 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: was in a walking boot and then played the next week. Yeah, 179 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe he isn't none of them a 180 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. But if he's at sixty percent, and 181 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, everyone's like, boy, he's having a bad year, 182 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: He's like, no, he's having a great year. That he's 183 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: even out there, you can't believe behind him would be 184 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: half as good as him. Well, and the beauty of 185 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: having that depth now at that position, and then he 186 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: could heal right, now you could tell Mason Cole, hey, Mason, 187 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: sit this week out right, get your get your ankle healthy, 188 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: and then we got guys who can replace you. We're 189 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: perfectly fine there, but you're our guy, and you'll come 190 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: back as a starter you've been. We want you. We 191 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: want you to be one hundred percent two weeks from 192 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: now as opposed to going out there and toughing it out. 193 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: We appreciate that, right, you know, we appreciate that you 194 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: did it, but we don't need you to do it 195 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: like this isn't what we're talking about. But along those lines, 196 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: when they resigned ogan job without a lot of hesitation, 197 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: it made me think he was fine last year. But 198 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: we knew he was on the injury port every year. 199 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: You know, they knew, deep down, boy, he was a 200 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: shell of what he can be. Well, we'll get to 201 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: his clip here in a second. Let's play back. Let's 202 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: play another clip here from Mike Tomlin. Here's here's the 203 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: second thing that Tomlin had to say no. But then 204 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: just veteran guys that are capable of playing I Rob 205 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: had been highly familiar with since he came out of Houston. 206 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: We were down there his pro day and just liked 207 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: his play demeanor. Um, and that has not changed over 208 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: the seven years. That's been his career. UM, so glad 209 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: to add him into the fold um and hold them 210 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: man as a you know, as an athletic guy. Um, 211 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: he can run, Um, he can get the things. Um, 212 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: he's put together, a nice body of work. In Washington, 213 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: less familiar with him coming out and really a game 214 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: perspective on him through his playing career in Washington might 215 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: see a three dun I'm sorry, you see a three 216 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: dune guy. I think we'll sort all of that out 217 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: on the on the playing field, and I think that's 218 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: that's where it should be. But we like the candidates, 219 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: we like this skill set. I will divide the labor 220 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: up once we put the totality of our group together. Yeah, 221 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: that was talking about the inside linebacker position, and he 222 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: was specifically asked, you know, if you changed your mentality 223 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: of what you're looking for an inside linebacker, because there again, 224 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 1: there seems to be this this idea out there that 225 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: you know, Polcomb in the landing that Roberts are both 226 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: downhill thumpers. I think they're very different players. I think 227 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: you're very different players, right. I like what coach said 228 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: about Rob's play demeanor, and I do think there is 229 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: still a place for a thumper, a set the tone guy, 230 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: especially in this division, you know, especially with why teams 231 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: are in the football last year, that is becoming. If 232 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna play with lighter boxes, A guy like him 233 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: has value. But I also think he's an ideal placeholder 234 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: that if you drafted dude in the third round, that's 235 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: a hit. I mean, okay, Holcomb's my third guy. I'm sorry, 236 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: Roberts is my third guy. Now I'm really sitting pretty, 237 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, or Robinson goes past him, great, 238 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: but I mean you can line up and play with 239 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: Roberts right now. Holcombe, I very much believe his best 240 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: football is ahead of him. I mean, I think he 241 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: was greatly ascending. If you'd have played seventeen games last year, 242 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 1: I bet you don't get You don't get him for 243 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: the price that you're right unsolicited. I've had like three 244 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: different people from different media outlets wherever, say, boy, I 245 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: got buddies in Washington did are so unhappy that Colcom left? 246 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: You know, like I was like, wow, I didn't think 247 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: that two years ago. I hundred and forty five tackles. Now, 248 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: I know tackles are not the be all end all, 249 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: but he also took the productive guy. He took the 250 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: ball away. They were really lacking that. Yeah, ask here, 251 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: I mean splash plays production. Yeah, right, so I think 252 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: they upgraded at a minimal cost. Yeah really, I mean, 253 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: to be honest, I can't. I don't know off the 254 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: top of my head. But how much cap space do 255 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: they have an inside linebacker right now verse a year ago. 256 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: I bet it's less. It's probably it has to be 257 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: less because Miles Jack was Yeah, Devin Bush was first round. 258 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: You know, the former first round guys they've got, they've 259 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: they've spent less money there. And you know, again, I think, 260 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: you know, even if Holcombe's not the best coverage guy 261 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: in the league they play. They finished the year last 262 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: year basically the last month of the season with Robert 263 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: Splaine on the field all the time. I know Cole 264 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: Holcomb is a better coverage guy than the Roberts plane. 265 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: I know he covers more ground and he was more 266 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: upside and he's a better player today. I'm starting to 267 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: feel this way at linebacker a little bit too, just 268 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: like the old line conversation we had. Just don't be 269 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: Waldo again, you know, I mean, I'd love to have 270 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: Fred Warner, but there's fewer than them than ever in 271 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: the league, and you're going to cost you twenty million dollars, right, 272 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: Like I hope Tremaine Edmonds is a tremendous player for 273 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: the Bears, but he said one good year. You know, 274 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: he's peaking at the right time. I mean, if if 275 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: people are upset that the Steelers didn't give him eighteen million, 276 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you might get him two years from 277 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: now as a calf casualty. Right. Yeah, that's the other 278 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: part of the equation. Yeah. Absolutely. One last clip I 279 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 1: went to play here before we take a break, I 280 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: asked him about how this has been different this year 281 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: working with Omar Khan throughout this situation, because last year 282 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: it was still Kevin Colbert in my possession. So let's 283 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: hear what Mike Toma had to say about that. It's 284 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: been fun, but not that it's the first time for us. 285 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: You know, um Omar has been been here longer than me, 286 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: and although his role has changed, I just think to 287 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: how we communicate, the transparency, the fluidity of it, the 288 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: spirit in which we work is the same. Um. It's 289 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: good to have him on pro days and things of 290 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: that nature. But he traveled quite a bit with us 291 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: a year ago on pro Day. He's just an anticipation 292 00:13:55,320 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: potentially what what transpired. So it's been good. But you 293 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: know how we measure these processes with how we perform, 294 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: and we've been traveling in hidden pro days and combines 295 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: all in the effort to put together a good draft 296 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: class and so m it remains to be seen whether 297 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: or not it is fruitful, but been a good process. 298 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: As for him, yeah, Later in the conversation, he noted, 299 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: then he did did again this morning as well. Hey, 300 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: you know I pick where I go on these pro 301 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: days because people have been talking about this, Why did 302 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: they go here? Why did they go there? Why didn't 303 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: they go there? There are a lot of things that 304 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: are involved with that. Some of it is logistics, Yeah, 305 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: like I can't go to Oregon State in Miami the 306 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: next day, maybe because you have your dinner with those 307 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: guys the night before the workout, not to night after, right, right, 308 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: so you know, if again, if you're at Oregon State 309 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: and you got to go to Miami, you're not getting 310 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: there the night before at a reasonable hour, sure, you know, 311 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: to be able to really do your work. So for example, 312 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: this year they did Iowa in Iowa State. Yeah, of course. 313 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: And you know you're gonna hit Ohio State on your 314 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: way home or whatever too, you know. I mean there's 315 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: something that you're definitely gonna hit. High State's always one 316 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: of them. So a couple of notes just from what 317 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: he said there. I didn't realize until just a second 318 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: that Omar has been with the organization longer than because 319 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: two thousand and one. I mean, I know he's been 320 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: here a long time, but they both have. I just 321 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: assumed Tomlin was first. I mean, I didn't know that 322 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: off the top of my head. I'm sure it goes 323 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: without saying that Kevin's missed. I mean, it has to 324 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: be odd to meet. His presence just isn't there, you know. 325 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: But I do think it's interesting too that they're having 326 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: all these guys attending pro days, maybe as much as 327 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: any team in the league. Yeah, But as he made 328 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: mention this morning, don't read too much into where I 329 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: go because sometimes I'm just throwing up a smoke screen. Now, 330 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: last year, there weren't too many smoke screens. Everybody in 331 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: the league knew the Steelers were interested in a quarterback, 332 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: right right. I wonder if this year they do a 333 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: reverse on that and throw up some different smoke screens. Probably. 334 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: I mean there's several schools they've been to that everyone 335 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: just assumes they're there to see the first round. Yeah, 336 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: you know, like people are saying, oh, they're in Iowa, 337 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: They're they're there to look at Van Nest. It's really good. Yeah, 338 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: they really good. The defense was outstanding last year. There's 339 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: you can get into the fifth and sixth round and 340 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: draft Iowa guys this year at thirty two, right, you know, right, 341 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: I mean Moss could be a third round pick for you, 342 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: a corner. I mean, Laporta could be your third round pick. 343 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean, and maybe it is van Ness. Maybe it's 344 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: all the above. They're definitely paying attention to all the 345 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: above while they're there. Absolutely, Like you mentioned before, I 346 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: mean they drafted Pouncy, but they noticed Joe Hayden when 347 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: they were there. Yeah, you look at the other dudes. 348 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: I mean you're not just there stouting one guy. Yeah. Now, 349 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: last year for the quarterback stuff, if you went to Liberty, 350 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: you were there to seem the League twelve. Of course, 351 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: of course that's different, right, I mean there are some 352 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: tells obviously, teams that are going to Kentucky this year 353 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: are watching Levis. Yeah, and we know that. Um, but 354 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: if you're going to Ohio State, that doesn't mean you're 355 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: only taking us out. There were twenty guys at Ohio 356 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: State work in Bama. I think, yeah, so I would. 357 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if you have this answer, but I 358 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: always kind of find find it funny. It's like, Okay, 359 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: we were in Michigan and we took Devin Bush out 360 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: to dinner the night before. Does he have to go 361 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: to dinner with the commanders and cowboys after? Well that 362 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember the day watching the NFL network, 363 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: and they had they had one of the prospects. So 364 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: I can't remember which one it was might have been, 365 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: I can't somebody. I can't remember who it was, but 366 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: he was in demand. He had done he had done two, 367 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: two different dinners the night before, okay, And they asked him, 368 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: I said, did you eat two dinners? Where he says no, 369 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: I did an appetizer at the first one, and then 370 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: the second one. I had an actual dinner. Maybe you 371 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: go meet for dessert. Now, if you're an offensive lineman 372 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: or a defensive line you might eat two dinners Oh yeah, 373 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: I might bring a cheesecake for after or whatever. I 374 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: got a third meeting over here. I'm gonna dessert. But 375 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: I bet it's hard for them. I mean, I doubt 376 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: thirty two teams are asking them out to dinner, but 377 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: I bet it's more than one. It's more than one. Yeah, 378 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: And so you you know, you the players have to 379 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: pick and choose as well. Like so if you're picking 380 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: thirty set or thirty first, uh, you're you know, your 381 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: your Kansas City is is a guy who's you know, 382 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: looked at as a top ten pick. Is he gonna 383 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: go have dinner with the Chiefs? Probably not? Probably not, said, 384 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: I respectfully decline. You know, I'm gonna I have something 385 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: to set up with the Jets unless they tell his agent, hey, 386 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: we really want to trade up for you. Yeah you know, Okay, 387 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: well that's a little different or you know, and you 388 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: can't be like, well, I'm doing dinner with the Steelers 389 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: and I'm doing dessert with the Bengals. Well we go 390 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: get a bunch of drinks after. That's not going to fly, right, 391 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: and you gonna work out next and not not every 392 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: team does the dinner thing. No, right, Steelers are kind 393 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: of known for it. Yeah. Absolutely, Tomlin enjoys it, and 394 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: as he said, he likes to get to know the 395 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: guy and what makes him tick, not just he says, 396 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: I'm watching the tape of these guys. So I always 397 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: watched the tape first, because the tape is why you 398 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: want to talk to the guy. Yeah, if it's bad tape, 399 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: you're probably not having dinner with him with somebody else. Yeah, 400 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: but there is stuff to glean from Senior Bowl, how 401 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: Like I know, for example, when when they met with 402 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: Terrell Edmonds, they also Tremaine was also there continue Tech 403 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: that year, and everybody they're just there, they're meeting with Tremaine. Well, 404 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: Terrell was there as well, and so were the parents, 405 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: so they brought the parents along, so you get to 406 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: know the family. How's he How does he treat his mom, 407 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: how's he talking to his dad? Things like that. I 408 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: mean that was huge for us and recruiting too. You know, 409 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: these sixteen year olds. Can these guys handle being away 410 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: from mom and dad? How do they treat their parents? 411 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 1: So they seem entitled? Have they've been given everything their 412 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: whole life? You know that was important? Yeah? Absolutely, you 413 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: know what's important, right, now a break. We gotta take 414 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: another break. So he is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lala. 415 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: You're listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. 416 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: And yeah, I just want to remind everybody that you 417 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 1: can now listen to Steelers Nation Radio anytime anywhere through 418 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: your smart speaker. Just say Alexa, play Steelers Nation Radio 419 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: from my heart and Alexa, we'll take care of the rest. 420 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: We'll be back with more here live from the NFL 421 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: meetings here in Phoenix, Arizona. Right after this on Steelers 422 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: Nation Radio. Welcome back. I am Dale, Lala. He is 423 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and the Matt I remembered. So we did 424 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: this live on YouTube or tape on YouTube. I guess 425 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: for the people at home, you can also watch the 426 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: show later on today. It's going to be on the 427 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: Steelers YouTube channel. Um and I noticed in the comments 428 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: on that that some of the people on YouTube. I 429 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: guess there's a little different audience there than that what 430 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: usually listened to us. So let's let's explain a little 431 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: bit about who we are, what we do here. I 432 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: guess it is different. Take for granted, sometimes right, different 433 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: crowd us as we watch this is what we do, 434 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: but the peanut gallery over over the over there dancing 435 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: over this, but ahead of you go ahead. Um, So 436 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: I've been doing this twenty five years or so. Uh 437 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: donated a to go real quick thumb Now, I donated 438 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: a year with Duquane just doing anything I could. Didn't 439 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: make a sent They gave me like a pair of 440 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: pants and two sweatshirts or something like that, and I'd film. 441 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like doing this show pretty much 442 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: like the linebacker coach wouldn't show up like Matt do 443 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 1: something with the linebackers, organize the recruiting film. And then 444 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: I got an opportunity to go over to pitt and 445 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: do it for money, very very little, twelve grand a year, 446 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: and I stayed there for three years a ton as 447 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: the recruiting assistant. I was there for Antonio Bryant's last year, 448 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: both the Larry's years, we pumped a lot of guys 449 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: into the pros. And then our receivers coach. We had 450 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: great receivers mentioning those two jad Brookhart went to become 451 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: the head coach at Akron took me along with him 452 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: as his director of football operations, which I didn't get 453 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: to do. Enough football stuff there, but I still learned 454 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: a lot. I organized the road trip to Penn State 455 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: that year and things like that, a lot of recruiting stuff. 456 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: First time i'd really been away from Pittsburgh honestly as 457 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: an adult, and just so happened. One of the things 458 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: we wanted to do at Akron was let's get a 459 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: relationship with the Browns, the right down the street. You know, 460 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: we could help each other out quite a bit. And 461 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: they said, hey, we're looking for young scouts. Do you 462 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: know anybody I'm like someone in mind interviewed against a 463 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: bunch of people, won the job, and that was Ben's 464 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: rookie year. I did one year with the Browns. We 465 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: lost a whole lot of games, as was the norm 466 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,239 Speaker 1: back then. Steelers were fifteen and one. We all got 467 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: fired and one of the guys I worked with with 468 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: the Browns had a big time connection with the ESPN, 469 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: and along with Todd McShay and others, the Scouts Inc. 470 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: Group got hired by ESPN. Todd still there and most 471 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: of us are gone. I did ten years with ESPN, 472 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: and then since then, that was probably a dozen years 473 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: or so ago, I've worked for a lot of different 474 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: media outlets, tons of podcasting, and you and I've been 475 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: doing the drive seven years sometime, just guessing spitball on 476 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: off the top of my head. I don't know. You 477 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: didn't get me an anniversary presence this year, so I 478 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: don't know how long it was, right, But we've been 479 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,719 Speaker 1: doing this heavy and I've been working more and more 480 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: than the Steelers, which has been great. And as it 481 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: turns up, we're both Pitt Johnston grads and we didn't 482 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: know that when we when we were thrown together, we 483 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: had no idea of we almost overlapped there but didn't. Yeah, right, 484 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: So that's just how it worked out. And we didn't 485 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: know each other hardly at all. Whenever said you two 486 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: were going to do a show together. I'd done a 487 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: couple of radio hits with you, but they were fifteen minutes, right, 488 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: But we hadn't sat down together. They were over the 489 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: phone or whatever. Yeah, So it was, you know, just 490 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: kind of booming and it meshed, you know. I did 491 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: a little more traditional route to this, U through the 492 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: media covered. I've covered the Steelers since nineteen ninety three 493 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: for various outlets and now for Steelers dot com. So um, 494 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: I've been to basically every Steelers game since nineteen ninety three. 495 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: You mentioned last night how many stadiums you've seen the 496 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: Steelers play in, and it was I was going to 497 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: guess like fifty. I wasn't even close. It's the last 498 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: time I counted it, and this was probably five years ago. 499 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: I actually sat down one day and counted all the 500 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: stadiums that I have seen the Steelers play, and I 501 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: think I was at like seventy two at that point, 502 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: and there's some odd ones. It's up over eighty now. 503 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: I've been putting preseason games and things of that nature 504 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: because I've seen pre teams different countries and you know, 505 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: different sides of the planet and all kinds of stuff. 506 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: So I remember you even said like Tennessee was building 507 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: the stadium, you know before when they moved became the Titans, 508 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: and that was where you're at. Covered the Oiler slash 509 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: Titans in Houston at the Astrodome. We just got a 510 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: text from our lovely Brian La Martina. This will be 511 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: our seventh year to gain seventh year, so Brian would 512 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: know becau Brian's been apart, but so that I've seen 513 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: that the Oilers slash Titans play the Steelers in at 514 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: the Astrodome, which is no longer there. Yeah, um, actually 515 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: still there, but they might be. They don't use it. 516 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: The amazing thing about the Astrodome, by the way, is 517 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: so it used to be it was like the eighth 518 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: Wonder of the world. Now it looks like so it 519 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: sits next to the new stadium in Houston and the 520 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: new stadium Dwarf sit. Yeah, it just but when you 521 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: used to fall to the Astrodome, you're like, wow, look 522 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: at that. Yeah, you know, and now it's you know, 523 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: that's nothing. Yeah. So there they went to Memphis when 524 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: they first went to uh Tennessee in between the Liberty Bowl. 525 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: So I saw them play the Steelers at the Liberty Bowl. 526 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: Then when they moved over to Nashville the next year, 527 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: they played at Vanderbilt's stadium, right, and then they moved 528 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: into the new Stas four different places for one team. Yeah, 529 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, and I even mentioned last night, I was wrong. 530 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, and that's without the division making that many changes. 531 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: They made a bunch. The Bengals have had two different stadiums. 532 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: I've seen the Ravens and two different stadiums and not 533 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: counting them as is the Browns. The Browns have been 534 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: in two different so there's been some turnover there. Uh. 535 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: You know, Jacksonville really at that time, which was in 536 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: the AFC, was in the AFC Central. They're the only 537 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: ones that having a stadium change. Wow. During that time period. 538 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: They play at the Gator it was the Gator Bowl 539 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: and now it's you know, they've whatever they're calling it 540 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: these days, but it's it's the same stadium. They just 541 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: keep upgrading it and building onto it. But there's so 542 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: many if you think about the like the the late 543 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: nineties was the big stadium building craze in the NFL. 544 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: Three Rivers certains the hind Yeah, you know, like everybody 545 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: was football stadiums, they start to build their own. Yeah yeah, 546 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: make them a little more personalized than all that. So 547 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: that makes sense. The cookie cutters are starting to awfully 548 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: pretty much all gone now. And I guess as any 549 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: Steeler fan knows, which is remarkable. You've only seen two coaches. 550 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: I've seen two coaches. You you were hired Cower second year. Yes, okay, 551 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: I actually covered I covered a few games his first year. 552 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: Um I was, I was. That was back when I 553 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: was working in Oil City. Uh, back in the day, 554 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: my first, my first full time job in the business, 555 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: and I talked my uh my sports editor into going 556 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: down to cover Ted Marcher Broda. It was the coach 557 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: of the the Colts at that time. The Cults were 558 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: still in Indianapolis, or we're still in Baltimore, should stay 559 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: Oh wow? Okay, uh and or maybe they were in India. 560 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: I can't remember. That's all a blur at this point. 561 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: But Ted Ted's from Franklin Piter just outside of Franklin 562 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: Rocky Grove. And I said, have we ever like gone 563 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: and covered r Yeah, we don't have a lot of 564 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: the Fanango County doesn't have any of these. And so 565 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: I went down and I said I was living still, 566 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: I had an apartment in Pittsburgh still. I just graduated 567 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: from pitt uh or from from I finished up my 568 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: my classes at the pit, and UM, like, I'm gonna 569 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: be down there. How about I just go cover the game? 570 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,239 Speaker 1: So I did in the building. Yeah, and I met 571 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: my future boss at that game, and you know, got 572 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: hired and ever since I've been covering the team. So yeah, 573 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: it's just uh, you know, a lot of history involved 574 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of playoff games. I figured 575 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: out the one day. I think I tweeted this out 576 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. I think I covered more 577 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: playoff games and like if you if you covered the Browns, 578 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: oh bad, everybody in their organisation, like everybody who's ever covered. 579 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: And you know, back to my background a little bit too, 580 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: Like as a child, I would write letters to Chuck 581 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: Noll of how he should trade for Marcus Allen. And 582 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: I remember the Marcus Allen that the Raiders running back 583 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: like they just got bo Jackson. If you send them 584 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,479 Speaker 1: their second and third and Walter Abercrombie, you could get 585 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: Marcus Allen. And you know i'd get a sign picture 586 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: back from coach nol or whatever. And I remember you 587 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: mentioned upj you know, you used back then, used to write, 588 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, here's your essay to get into college. And 589 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: I remember like, if you could dinner with any two 590 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: people in history, who would it be? And I wrote 591 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: Vito Corleone and Tony Dungee whoever the defensive corpinator was 592 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: at the time, Like I grew up, you know, just 593 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: glued the mel Kiper's blue books. And there was no 594 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: internet back then. And yeah, I remember I put this 595 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: document together that was like this thick of every draft 596 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: profile I could find on this new thing called the Internet, 597 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: and I sent it to the Steelers and they wrote 598 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: me back, like, you did a lot of work on this. 599 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: You're like, you should maybe look into this as a career, 600 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: and yeah, so I was present about it forever. Yeah, 601 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: here you are. But anyways, that's who we are. Hopefully 602 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: everybody enjoys the remind people once in a while. Every 603 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: once in a while, just throw that out there. And 604 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: I figured we have a new audience on YouTube here, 605 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: so that should do some splain in there on why 606 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: Matt was talking about working for the Browns and his 607 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: previous previous life all of one year. And my wife 608 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: was the only one that would would wear Browns gear 609 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: that I knew, and I would send Christmas cards to 610 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: my buddies and they tore them up. And you know, 611 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: you had a funny you actually had a funny story 612 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: about that. Um so if as it were, the the 613 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: Browns played the Steelers twice, of course, right in the 614 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: play where I was there, right yeah, And so you're 615 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: out at a dinner, right, Well, we were. There's a 616 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: bunch of scouts where it was a low time in 617 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: the season, and we're at a local watering hole having 618 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: a few, and you know, I'm new and getting to 619 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: know each other, and everybody's talking about the game, and 620 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I was like in the tenth row 621 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: with my terrible twel and we've been tailgating all day 622 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: and we were going crazy and the Steelers won, and 623 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: they all kind of looked at me like that's swell, youngster. 624 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: But we all didn't get playoff checks that day, because yeah, 625 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: that's several thousand dollars or whatever for their families. I'm 626 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: sorry about that. That was my memory of the game, 627 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: and it's much different than yours. Sorry, Sorry, Kelly, Right 628 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: right right, I was pretty psyched about it. But these 629 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna take another break. Here. We get a guest 630 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: coming up here, Jerry Dulac from the Pittsburgh Post, because 631 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: they just going to join the last thing too. That 632 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: year I did spend with the Browns. I mean, well, 633 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: obviously weren't competitive with the ste I just wait, I 634 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: mean when everyone left the building, I just watched ben tape, 635 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, like the thin Steelers. My guts up to here. 636 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: That rookie looks all right. We might have blown out 637 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: we'd go down and get soft serve ice cream in 638 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: the basement and watch Ben you know, but he is 639 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. Will be joined by 640 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: Jerry Duelek here in the next segment that here's we 641 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: finish off our number two live at the NFL meetings 642 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: here at the Arizona Built Moore here in Phoenix. We'll 643 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: be back with more right after this. Welcome back. I 644 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: am Dale Lollly. He is Matt Williamson, and this is 645 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: to drive on Steelers Nation Radio. We are live from 646 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: the NFL Owner Meetings here at the Arizona Built Moore 647 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: in Phoenix, and we're pleased to be joined now by 648 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: uh well, guy who's done this quite a bit and 649 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: been on this side of the mic quite a bit 650 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: as well, Jerry Duelec of the Post Gazette in the 651 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers radio network. How are you doing, Jared, Dy? 652 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: Are good? Many times out here to built more. It's 653 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: three or four for me for the owners meetings and 654 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: first time. No, you guys are doing radio. First time radio, 655 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: we do. We've been doing it to combine for a 656 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: number of years. In fact, I go back to when 657 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: we started broadcasting it to combine, I think we were 658 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: one of oh in the hallway, we were one of 659 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: five or six stations. Now, of course, every team has 660 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: at least one representation, and if you look down through here, 661 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean I can remember the last time we were 662 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: here at the Biltmore there were maybe three team tables 663 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: that I'm still sparse, Yeah, but compared to the combine, 664 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: you know, but it's it's certainly trending in the direction 665 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: where everybody's going to have some kind of radio outlet 666 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: here because that's where that's where the league's going and 667 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: more importantly hels the golf in this neck of the way. Well, 668 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. I've discovered when I got here 669 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: that there are some golf course. Interesting enough. The other 670 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: thing I discovered is that the sky is blue. There 671 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: are very few clouds in the ball flies farther here though. 672 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: It's funny, I never knew that because I've never ever 673 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: played golf here, and I just stumbled across it by accident. Well, Jerry, 674 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: we've had the opportunity here now to here from Mike 675 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: Tomlin twice in the last twenty four hours. One of 676 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: you gleaned from from what Mike Tomlin has had to say, well, 677 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: you know Dale, um uh, Mike U. He is the 678 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: master at saying a lot and sometimes not saying much. Um. 679 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: But you know he was today, for example, what the 680 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: coaches breakfast if you will, he AFC coaches. You know 681 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: he was, you know, he was enlightening to a degree 682 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: about the safety position, the free safety position, excuse me, 683 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: a strong safety position now that um excuse me. That 684 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: Tarrell Edmonds was not going to be pursued and signed 685 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: with the Eagles, and and I thought it was intriguing 686 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: that he talked about the possibility and he said he's 687 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: already discussed it with Patrick Peterson about moving him around 688 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: and indicating its safety could be maybe not a full 689 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: time option, but as a possibility in some of their defenses. 690 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: And I thought, uh, you know, when you look at 691 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: guys who, um, you know, get older, cornerbacks who get older, 692 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: one of the logical moves is to move them to safety. 693 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: And Patrick Peterson's a guy who gets his hands on 694 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: the ball and catches at five pitch. Last year second 695 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: in the league, Minca was tied for first with six. 696 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: So you know, when you get to go you have 697 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: a guy like Minka back there, which he said it's 698 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: reasonable to expect. Told you they'll move him around even 699 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: more too. You have Demante Kazy. We saw him play 700 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: started strong safety last year when Tarall Edmonds did not 701 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: could not play against the Raiders. Is that a full 702 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: time option for them? I don't know about that, but hey, 703 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: there's still free agency left as we know, and they're 704 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: still the draft. I don't know that the draft is 705 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: going to be the immediate answer, certainly not at safety, 706 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: probably a corner. But I thought that was probably the 707 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: most intriguing thing in terms of what you can expect 708 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty three that he said this morning. Yeah, 709 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: I got the impression that they're not done at safety. 710 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: I mean there's going to be at least a prominent 711 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: member added. Do you still have the same impression on 712 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: the offensive line, You know, Matt first about the safety. 713 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: It's funny it's this time exactly a year go that 714 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: Kevin Colbert said we have starter capable players at twenty 715 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: four to twenty five positions, and the one that they 716 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: didn't was strong safety, and then three days before the 717 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: draft they signed Terrell Edmonds. So obviously that the same 718 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: scenario could exist so um, you know, I I wouldn't 719 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: be surprised to see them at one, but I'm not sure. 720 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: But the offensive line, I think the way it's gonna 721 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: play out, Isaac Simala was brought in. He's going to 722 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: be a starter. They paid him starting starting money, and 723 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: you can pencil him in at left guard. Uh And 724 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: and you know, now we'll see did they want to 725 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,439 Speaker 1: move Mason Colton? Note that they want to move James 726 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: Daniel Note did they want to move chicks Tocore for it? No, 727 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens in the draft. Maybe at left tackle, 728 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: maybe maybe, But I'm not I am not of the 729 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: belief that they are ready to give up on Dan Moore. 730 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: And Nate Herbig was brought in to be a backup. 731 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: He was paid backup money two years, eight million dollars. 732 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: And so now the question is what does that do 733 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: for Kevin Dotson Hence that goes into the final year 734 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: of his contract counts what two and half a million 735 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: against the cap? And most especially, what does it dude 736 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: with Kendrick Green who was inactive for all seventeen games. 737 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: Why do you even keep him around when Nate Herbick 738 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: is going to take up one roster spot, So I 739 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: think that's going to be the kind of the repercussions 740 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: of those moves. But I don't see. I don't think 741 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: Nate Herbig was brought in with the idea of being 742 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: a starter as he started capable, Yeah, because he started 743 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: with twenty eight or forty four games in his career, 744 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: all eleven last year with the Jets. But you know, 745 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: he's a big body guy. Of course, Kevin Condotson's a 746 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: big body guy. But I think they like Nate Herbick, 747 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: but I think they really like him as a as 748 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: a quality backup make Yeah, it just so happened he 749 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: got signed first, right, you know, that's just the way 750 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: that you know. The other thing, too, Dale there was 751 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: when he was signed, or when the report was that 752 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: he agreed to a deal. You know, the guy who 753 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: put it out suggested that, you know, they really like 754 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: him and could be a starter for them, and that 755 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: gave everybody the idea that everybody they're bringing in two starters, 756 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: and that is just not the case. He was not 757 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: brought in and being viewed as a starter, being viewed 758 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: as a quality depth guys. Yeah, that's the thing that 759 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, everybody how's this all gonna work? Are they 760 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: gonna bench James Danielson? No, no, no, it was a 761 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: sky lappen, you know, you know, like you said, you know, 762 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: I I it was. I find a curious two dale 763 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: when you're asking me about the things that Mike Tomlin 764 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: has said, when yesterday he told us he says, look, 765 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: he says, you can't be naive to think that they're 766 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,439 Speaker 1: going to go through another season of starting the same 767 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: offensive line for seventeen games. And really, when you think 768 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: if a three of those guys has played every snap, 769 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: Chooks a core for missed one snap, and Mason Cole 770 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: missed forty six snaps all year. Otherwise they started what 771 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: one thousand, one hundred and sixty snaps? Not happen again? No, 772 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: and and so that was part of the reason too 773 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: for the moves on the offensive line with Nate Herbig 774 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: and and um um so I yeah, if you just 775 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: can't think that that's going to happen again, I I 776 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: just curious how rare that probably isn't a national happening. 777 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: But you can't, you know, to play that many snaps? Uh? 778 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: I think whatever the pres sentages what was at ninety 779 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: nine points something percent That five guys played all the snaps. 780 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: That's pretty impressive. We've done this long enough to chair that. Uh. 781 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: You know, we've seen other years where the Steelers, you know, 782 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: they have that twelve different starting combinations. Who's going to 783 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: who's playing right tackle this week? Are you so? Yeah? 784 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: It's it's it's definitely something that's outside the norm here. 785 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: So as we sit here a month out, basically a 786 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: month out from the draft, Um, are you getting any 787 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: feeling one way or the other? Yeah? No, Dale, I 788 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: mean the feeling I have is they they want to 789 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: go defense, and it's what I think they should do. Um, 790 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: unless there's a and and there's none. I don't think 791 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: there's a plug and play left tackle in the draft. Yeah. So, um, 792 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: but there are corners who are that, and you know, 793 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: I think there's no question they have to uh, they 794 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: have to find another Cam Hayward for the future. You 795 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: know you're loose to font to it. Cam's gonna be 796 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: what thirty four? It's time to go find that guy. 797 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: You could say the same thing about the offensive lines. 798 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: Time to go find a Marquise Pouncy. It's fine to go. 799 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: It's time to go find a David DeCastro. But that 800 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, defensive line of scrimmage, makes your inside 801 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: linebackers better. But it's the same thing at corner. So 802 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: if I'm a betting man, which I'm not, I'd say 803 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: you're going to take a corner or they're going to 804 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: take a defensive lineman. But I would say, again, depends 805 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: who's there, all things being equal in their in their 806 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: best case scenario, I would think it's going to be 807 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 1: a cornerback. So Jered, do you agree. I mean, they 808 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: have four picks in the first two days. I would 809 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: say there's a fifty percent chance one of those is 810 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,879 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle and maybe an eighty five percent chance 811 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 1: one of them's a corner. Oh, I would I would 812 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: definitely put the cornerback at least at eighty five. But 813 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: I would agree with you about the left tackle. I mean, 814 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: obviously you don't need a guard. Several of those guys 815 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: are center capable, you know. I like the center from Minnesota. 816 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: I can see him being uh at forty nine, is 817 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: he there? I don't think so thirty two he's probably there. 818 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't bocket that one at all. But 819 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 1: I think if if you know, with those four picks, 820 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: I would if it were me, I would say three 821 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: of the four should be defense. I would think so. Um, 822 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: but you know the other caveat there is they never 823 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: turned their back on a skill player. So now there's 824 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: a wide receiver on that board that they go, you know, 825 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: we gotta high grade on this guy, your second, your 826 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: quarterback somewhere. I mean, I wouldn't fall over if forty 827 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: nine was a wide receiver. I don't expect that, but 828 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: I certainly wouldn't fall over. Yeah, it's it's interesting. And 829 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: I did ask him Mike Tomlin as well about Larry 830 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: Oogan Joebi's resigning yesterday, which was a key for them, 831 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 1: and he said, you know, I said, hey, did we 832 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,280 Speaker 1: see the best of him last year, because if you remember, 833 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: he's coming off the foot injury, dealt with that toe 834 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: issue for a large person of the last year. He 835 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: said no, you know, he spent the entire offseason basically 836 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: rehabbing to get that foot in the in condition. If 837 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: you remember, he signed right before training camp started. So um, 838 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think that they're banking on him being 839 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: a lot better this year than he was last year. Yeah, 840 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: And didn't practice a lot yet. As the season went on, 841 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 1: Dale missed a couple I think you only miss only 842 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: missed one game. Yeah, yeah, but you know, they had 843 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: to be real careful with him, and you know it's 844 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 1: gonna it's uh, you know, not to get away from 845 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: Larryogan Joeby. But Cole Holcomb is going to face a similar, 846 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: similar problem because he's coming off Lizz Frank injury. Uh, 847 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: he's not able to run right now. We'll see where 848 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,399 Speaker 1: he is. A training camp should be okay, but it's 849 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: going to be the same process. I think they're gonna 850 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: have to evaluate how much they use him adoring the office, 851 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: the OTAs. I don't expect that to happen at all, 852 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: but don't monitor that situation. But yeah, I think signing 853 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: Larryogan joe You know, they wanted to sign Camp Sutton, 854 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: and they wanted to sign Larry Ogan Joeby. But Sutton's 855 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: deal with Detroit, uh, you know, God bless him that 856 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: he could get eleven million dollars annually. There's no way 857 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: this deal is were gonna go pay him that kind 858 00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 1: of money and it wasn't even closed. But Larryogen Joe 859 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: By I think was a Key signing. I don't think 860 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: there's any question they wanted to have him back, so 861 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: they obviously totally reshuffled the inside linebacker group. I mean 862 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: three guys are gone, two or in Mark Robinson still 863 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: in the mix. They're probably not done though, right. Do 864 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: you think there's a draft picking Yeah, yeah, I think so. 865 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: I think you know, when we talk about three the 866 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 1: first four, when I talked about three the first four 867 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,240 Speaker 1: being a defense, yeah, I could. I could see that happening. 868 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: I think, you know, they look at Cole Holcombe potentially 869 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: as a three down player. I think Landon roberts Um 870 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: what did what was Mike thomas nickname for him? What 871 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: he called rob Yeah? Yeah, who he said he has 872 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: great familiarity with going back to when he was came 873 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: out of the draft in two thousand and sixteen. You know, 874 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to call him a one year reynold, 875 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: but he's he's a short term player for four days older. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 876 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: so yeah, I could see that happening and I think 877 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: a lot of it though too. I think very very 878 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: curious to see where Mark Robinson isn't his development in 879 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: terms of playing downhill boy. Now, you know he can 880 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: go forward, he can go back, right, Yeah, he shows up. Yeah, Yeah, 881 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: he's very He was very impressive in a short time 882 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: he played. But has to know what he's doing out there. 883 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: There was a little bit of Kendrell Bell game planning there. 884 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: Go get the ball. Yeah, and he did, Yeah, he did. 885 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: But eventually, yeah, you got to do more than that. 886 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 1: They just didn't have splash plays from that position last year, 887 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: and he's certainly a splash player. Yes, he shows up. Yeah, 888 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 1: I agree with you very much. He's he I think 889 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: he signed the land In Roberts to work with with 890 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: him specifically, a veteran guy who's that kind of player player, 891 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: right exactly. Yeah, they are. I was gonna say that 892 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,839 Speaker 1: they have similar types of players, and you're right, he can. 893 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: He can learn from him. But to remake you know, 894 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,280 Speaker 1: we've seen him year after year John Bostick, Mark Barren Miles, 895 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: Jacko whom, Joe Schobert Bush trying to find that guy. Yeah, 896 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: and they just you know, those guys all lasted one year, 897 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: one year, and then they're gone. I think Cole Holcom 898 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: has a chance to last more than a year. I 899 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: do as well. I mean, he's a younger player than 900 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 1: some of those other guys that they've signed. H he's 901 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: an ascending player, I think in terms of, you know, 902 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: where he was drafted and how he kind of developed 903 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: in Washington. So it's gonna be interesting to see again 904 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,359 Speaker 1: where he's at with that foot injury. He talked about 905 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 1: it when we spoke to him last week. You know, 906 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: he's going to do whatever they want him to do. 907 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect him to do a lot maybe in 908 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: the offseason stuff, but then when training camp rolls around, 909 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: perhaps he'll be ready to go. Our guest has been 910 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,240 Speaker 1: Jerry Duelk of the Pittsburgh Postcaette and Steelers Radio Network. 911 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: We're going to take a break here. We are live 912 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,800 Speaker 1: at the NFL meetings here at the Arizona Biltmore in Phoenix. 913 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: He's Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lalley, and you're listening 914 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: to the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.