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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Counterpoints and we how

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Speaker 4: I'm good. We've got a lot of news to get

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Speaker 4: through today. Even though we're so close to the holidays,

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Speaker 4: the news cycle just won't slow down.

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Speaker 1: It won't, it won't.

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Speaker 5: I did want to start out with one quick personal thing,

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Speaker 5: which is apologies for this show getting out as late

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Speaker 5: as it is. About two weeks ago, my wife was

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Speaker 5: diagnosed with breast cancer. That might also explain I'm kind

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Speaker 5: of losing my voice. At the same time, this will

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Speaker 5: be our last show plus We're doing counterpoints Friday, Christmas

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Speaker 5: in New Ye's breaks, so we'll see you guys again

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Speaker 5: in January.

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Speaker 1: It's a you know, they've.

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Speaker 5: They've made extraordinary advances when it comes to the treatment

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Speaker 5: of breast cancer, which and she's already getting the treatment,

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Speaker 5: and we're very confident that this will be something that's

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Speaker 1: But I have to bear with us a little bit

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we're all pulling for you, guys. Ryan, You've

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Speaker 4: got all your kids, a lot to worry about, and.

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Speaker 5: You know we've got speaking of Health and Human Services maransition. Ever,

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Speaker 5: luckily there's going to be a very steady hand on

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Speaker 5: the till. RFK Junior was on Capitol Hill yesterday meeting

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that.

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Speaker 5: A bunch of folks are in Doha trying to cinch

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Speaker 5: at drops O News. We kind of busted The New

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Speaker 5: York Times relying on a hamas adjacent source to verify documents.

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Speaker 5: I told The New York Times, I have real doubts

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Speaker 4: I hope he did say bro.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he said bro, but close enough. So

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Speaker 1: Luigi's getting charged as a terrorist. What else we got, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: He was indicted last night, So we have updates on that.

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Speaker 4: Some interesting polling. That'll be uh, it'll be an interesting

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Speaker 4: conversation topic. Maybe for everyone's holiday dinner. You can talk

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 5: I was coming out of GW Hospital on Monday.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to see this.

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Speaker 5: I don't think we're ever going to see it. But

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Speaker 5: I got stopped on the street by two reporters. So

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Speaker 5: do you have a second to talk about the health

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Speaker 5: I'm like, sure, I'll do this, Yeah, but.

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Speaker 4: We won't spoil it in case they do, Eric, because

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Speaker 4: Amazing. Well, stay tuned see if that goes to air.

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Speaker 4: which seems to be going very very well. I want

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Speaker 1: Can I follow up on Robert Kennedy. He's on the

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Speaker 5: What do you say to people who are worried that

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Speaker 6: No, I think he's going to be much less radical

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Speaker 6: I mean, we don't do as well as a lot

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Speaker 3: We trying to gain your peace support to lead the

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Speaker 4: Senator, you met with RFK Junior yesterday?

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Speaker 7: Very impressive. I mean, here's a guy that wants to

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Speaker 7: focus on health. It's called Health and Human Services. Health

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Speaker 7: not sickness. So he wants to make us healthy is

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Speaker 7: exactly what we are doing. I ran the biggest hospital company.

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Speaker 7: going to do a great job with regard to vaccines.

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Speaker 7: If you listen to what he says, he is pro vaccine.

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Speaker 7: What he wants is give you information so you can

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Speaker 7: That makes all the sense of the world to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: It's great to see you.

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Speaker 8: It was so appreciated to get away from guessing and

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Speaker 8: with it. Don't be guessing. And that's what a lot

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Speaker 8: He wants to make sure that parents understand the good

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Speaker 1: And the ugly.

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Speaker 4: So I also grabbed about fifteen minutes with Senator Tarberville

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Speaker 4: after his meeting with RFK Junior. He said something similar

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Speaker 4: coming and he was saying, you know, there are all

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Speaker 4: bit from their conversation was like, it's basically you've just

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Speaker 4: And so Taperville is using this line that he thinks

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Speaker 4: and so a little bit of that from Rick Scott

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Speaker 4: as well. Part of this is a sincere ideological conversion

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Speaker 4: from people like Tuberville, who has been now questioning people

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Speaker 4: I mean that it was there was this ideological and

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Speaker 4: and it's there have been sincere ideological conversions. A lot

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Speaker 4: of it is obviously political. Now let's actually skip ahead

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Speaker 4: to a three because this is what Taperville told me.

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Speaker 4: His first question was to rfk Junior. It was about abortion,

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Speaker 4: he said, And this was going to be the big

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Speaker 4: Republican Senate. Josh Holly posted a thread last night saying

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Speaker 4: that he got all of these concessions, which I think

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Speaker 4: are very significant concessions. Whether you're like pro choice or

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Speaker 4: what Josh Holly said. What is that you committed for foreign.

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Speaker 5: Funding, non initiated into the lingo of the abortion wars.

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Speaker 5: Funding because currently Planned Parenthood doesn't use the money that

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Speaker 1: But what he's saying is don't give them a penny period.

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Speaker 4: Perhaps, Yeah, I mean they don't specifically say that, but

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Speaker 5: Right, And then the problem there is that Planned Parenthood,

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Speaker 5: I guess nobody should have expected him to die on

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Speaker 4: His like Big Life's Mission is vaccines, you know, and

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Speaker 4: he's always actually talked about this in the language of

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Speaker 4: him to now come out and talk about how he'll

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Speaker 4: be running essentially a pro life HHS. The reason that

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Speaker 4: it's worth going through this Hally thread is that this

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Speaker 4: This should satisfy them for the most part on the

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Speaker 4: This is going to settle the pro life groups down.

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Speaker 4: They're going to stop lobbying against him or chirping against him.

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Speaker 4: And now his tough thing is going to be it

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Speaker 4: Yes, and towards the Global Engagement Center that was funneling

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Speaker 5: completely shut down all of the hospitals.

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Speaker 4: So the Sun's very cynical, not quite. I mean this,

442
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Speaker 4: I would be surprised to be honest, if Netnahu brokeer

443
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Speaker 4: this deal and like agreed to the deal under Biden

444
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 4: as opposed to under Trump, I think he obviously really well.

445
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Speaker 5: The reason that might happen under Biden is that that's

446
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 5: kind of what Trump has been demanding. Like Trump has

447
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 5: been saying that he wants this done by the time

448
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 5: that he's in office, and he will then take credit

449
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Speaker 5: for it, which fine, I don't like.

450
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Speaker 1: I don't care who takes credit for stuff.

451
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Speaker 4: He could do it on day one though, right, like

452
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Speaker 4: he could well, which.

453
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Speaker 1: Is why he might.

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Speaker 5: That's why that's why I said it might be on

455
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Speaker 5: January twentieth. Yeah, yeah, And speaking of credit, I don't

456
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Speaker 5: defend Biden ever, but like he was getting dragged yesterday

457
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Speaker 5: for saying that he had helped, you know, broker a

458
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Speaker 5: deal at free to Hunt. You know, he got a

459
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Speaker 5: hundred more than a hun and in fact, in November

460
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Speaker 5: when there was a week long ceasefire, one hundred and

461
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Speaker 5: five hostages were released by AMAS. And you know, if

462
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Speaker 5: you're going to say that Biden is facilitating the genocide,

463
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Speaker 5: which I do say, and I do believe he also

464
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Speaker 5: broke her that deal. So it's like I don't understand

465
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Speaker 5: why people were getting upset on him. It actually, to me,

466
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Speaker 5: makes it worse for him because it shows that was possible.

467
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Speaker 5: Like the only thing that has freed hostages at scale

468
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Speaker 5: was a ceasefire like that, and the deal that we

469
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Speaker 5: will eventually reach, probably on January twentieth, after after another

470
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Speaker 5: several thousand people are killed violently and tens of thousands

471
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Speaker 5: maybe more die of starvation or what disease and maount

472
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Speaker 5: nutrition because like, you know, imagine going a year plus

473
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Speaker 5: without access to reliable clean water medicine, Like even the

474
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Speaker 5: healthiest people are gonna, you know, collapse under those circumstances.

475
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Speaker 5: The deal we'll eventually get was on the table a

476
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Speaker 5: year ago. They didn't want it a year ago. They

477
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Speaker 5: wanted to do what they did for the last year.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead.

479
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Speaker 4: Well, I was gonna say, I mean, we should even

480
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Speaker 4: take a look at Sirias. We have some video of

481
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Speaker 4: Nisnahu and oh that's right.

482
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Speaker 5: So there's there's this there's this like kind of debate,

483
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Speaker 5: Like there was some reporting that uh that man Yahu

484
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Speaker 5: was on his way to Doha to like finalize this deal,

485
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Speaker 5: and then they said no, he's not in.

486
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Speaker 1: They said no, he's not in Doha.

487
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Speaker 5: He was supposed to be in court, actually he got

488
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Speaker 5: for his corruption trial, but he got he was allowed

489
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Speaker 5: to like not show up for his corruption trial. And

490
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Speaker 5: then they released video of where he actually is over

491
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Speaker 5: the goal on heights.

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Speaker 1: He's addressing people in UH in Hebrew.

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Speaker 4: Here stunning visual. I mean, yeah, he's got his flat jacket.

494
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Speaker 5: On, his flat jacket, but what's he what's he wearing

495
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Speaker 5: a flat jacket? Right, there's no like he's not remotely

496
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Speaker 5: at any risk there. But he's standing basically a top

497
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Speaker 5: Mount Herman, which Israel wants because it is basically the

498
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Speaker 5: only way for Israelis to go skiing without having to

499
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Speaker 5: fly somewhere, so within their own borders they could, so

500
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Speaker 5: they can now have a ski resort.

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Speaker 4: The argument is it's a buffer und.

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Speaker 5: They're the buffer zone and the buffer zone and the

503
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Speaker 5: buffer zone and the buffer zone and the buffer zone.

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Speaker 1: It's a ski resort.

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Speaker 5: And then they're gonna and there's and they say they're

506
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Speaker 5: going to they say they're going to settle it and

507
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Speaker 5: populate it as well.

508
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Speaker 1: They're going to double like double, and then some of

509
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Speaker 1: the population in the area.

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Speaker 5: UH, the State Department will say it's a buffer zone

511
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Speaker 5: and this is temporary, while Israel saying, actually, we're going

512
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Speaker 5: to settle it and populate it.

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Speaker 4: So two different, two different lines coming from which is

514
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Speaker 4: not unfamiliar at all because this is an administration on

515
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Speaker 4: one hint says we support a two state solution, but

516
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 4: we're supporting a war from a man who says there's

517
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Speaker 4: no such thing as a two state solutions. Right along

518
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 4: those lines, right.

519
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you have Israel being a little bit more open

520
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 5: and honest about what they're doing, and the State Department

521
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 5: just lying directly to our faces about that what we

522
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 5: see and what they're saying is actually not what they're

523
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 5: doing and saying it's like what's going on here? So no,

524
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Speaker 5: so he was not in Doha reaching a ceasefire deal.

525
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 5: He was working on the invasion and occupation of Syria,

526
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Speaker 5: taking the opportunity of the Syrian people overthrowing a dictator

527
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Speaker 5: to get a ski resort, call it a buffer zone.

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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, you guys at dropsite have a really interesting report

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Speaker 4: about Hamas documents provided by Israel to the New York Times,

530
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Speaker 4: and all of this goes to Iran as well, which

531
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Speaker 4: is the mean, that's the central like fear of Americans.

532
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Speaker 4: Here is the World War Three component. And now you

533
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Speaker 4: have the New York Times. This is a great story.

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Speaker 1: You should just like, yeah, really fascinating and embarrassing.

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Speaker 5: For the New York Times story in Drop Sight by

536
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Speaker 5: Jeremy Skahele and Shreef of Delcadus, we can put this

537
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 5: up on the screen, we can put a link in there.

538
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Speaker 5: But so basically to give you the gist of what's

539
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 5: going on here. So twice now in the last couple months,

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Speaker 5: the New York Times has run major bombshell stories citing

541
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Speaker 5: Hamas documents that were found by Israel and then given

542
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Speaker 5: to the New York Times. So that's the chain of custody,

543
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 5: alleged chain of custody of these documents. So when you're

544
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Speaker 5: doing this reporting, what you need to do is figure

545
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Speaker 5: out whether or not the documents that you're being given

546
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Speaker 5: are authentic. One of the ways you can do that

547
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Speaker 5: is by verifying that the source of the documents, it

548
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 5: would have access to those documents leg and has it

549
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Speaker 5: and doesn't have a.

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Speaker 1: Motivation to lie about them.

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Speaker 5: So, in other words, if a if a Hamas whistleblower,

552
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Speaker 5: for instance, or an IDF whistleblower reaches out and you

553
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 5: can confirm that that is who they are, and they

554
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Speaker 5: hand over some documents to you. You start out with

555
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Speaker 5: a threshold of Okay, these are probably authentic, but I'm

556
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 5: going to need to cross reference some things. We're going

557
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 5: to need to figure some other things out. Now, if

558
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Speaker 5: Hamas came to you and said that they had discovered

559
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Speaker 5: some IDF documents and then gave you those documents.

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Speaker 1: You start from a place of skepticism, yes, because they.

561
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Speaker 5: Are motivated to lie about them, and they don't they

562
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Speaker 5: wouldn't really have access to them.

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Speaker 1: They say, well, it was during October seventh.

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Speaker 5: We were in the you know, we were in one

565
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Speaker 5: of the military bases, and we made off with some

566
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Speaker 5: hard drives, and here.

567
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Speaker 1: The documents that we got.

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Speaker 5: What you would then do is you would take those

569
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Speaker 5: documents and you would give them to sources connected to

570
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Speaker 5: the IDF, presumably former, because if you give them current,

571
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Speaker 5: you know they're not gonna be able to do that

572
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 5: unless they're quite trustworthy, and that those sources will then

573
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Speaker 5: try to figure out, okay, here are some problems with

574
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Speaker 5: these documents, or say, you know, these actually kind of

575
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Speaker 5: look authentic.

576
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Speaker 1: There's other things you can do to try to authenticate them.

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00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 5: So New York Times gets these documents from Hamas, I

578
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 5: mean allegedly from Hamas through Israel, and so they take

579
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Speaker 5: it to a former Hamas guy. They take it to

580
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Speaker 5: a Salah al Awada, that's who they name in their

581
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 5: article as saying that they bear that they you know,

582
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Speaker 5: bears almost to Hamas documents and that these are good

583
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 5: enough you should go ahead and publish these documents.

584
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Speaker 1: That's that's who the Times cites.

585
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Speaker 5: So Jeremy Scahill calls the guy up and says, you know,

586
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Speaker 5: can you what else can you tell me about these documents?

587
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 5: This this sounds very interesting and you can you can

588
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Speaker 5: read read the full story. He tells me, I didn't

589
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Speaker 5: tell the New York Times these were authentic documents, and I'll.

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Speaker 1: Just read one portion of it.

591
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Speaker 5: Told Dropsite that The Times only shared one page out

592
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Speaker 5: of thirty with him. After looking it over, he said.

593
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Speaker 5: He told the Times reporter that there was a particular

594
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Speaker 5: phrase in the document that he suspected was a translation

595
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Speaker 5: and that the person who wrote it did not sound

596
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Speaker 5: native in Arabic. I told him this looks translated. It

597
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 5: doesn't look real. This phrase is out of context, it

598
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 5: is not used, and its meaning is not clear. The

599
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 5: phrase in question roughly translates in English as quote air

600
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Speaker 5: cover quote. I told him it might be translated from

601
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Speaker 5: another language, that whomever wrote it translated it literally, but

602
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 5: it is not used in the modern Arabic context unquote.

603
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Speaker 5: And he also shared a voice note with Dropsite that

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Speaker 5: he had sent to the reporter where he had raised

605
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Speaker 5: these doubts. And he also shared the exchanges that they'd had.

606
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Speaker 5: So we know that this conversation happened because the time

607
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Speaker 5: says it happened, like the time says, they talked to

608
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Speaker 5: this guy and he shared with what he told them,

609
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Speaker 5: And so.

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Speaker 1: Think about that.

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Speaker 5: So now imagine that you are a reporter. Hamas has

612
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Speaker 5: handed you document is that they say are Hebrew documents

613
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Speaker 5: from the IDF. You show it to a Hebrew speaker,

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Speaker 5: and the Hebrew speaker tells you.

615
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: Who an Hebrew speaker used to be with the IDF.

616
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Speaker 5: Hebrew speaker says, this word actually looks like it was

617
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Speaker 5: originally written in Arabic and translated into Hebrew.

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Speaker 1: This doesn't look right.

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Speaker 5: You could not then source that person as authenticating your

620
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Speaker 5: documents what that person told you, is that you have

621
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Speaker 5: fake documents. And how pathetic is it that Israel, which

622
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Speaker 5: is in the Middle East doesn't have Arabic speakers to

623
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Speaker 5: fabricate their documents.

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Speaker 4: It's like not even a good fabri Like they're.

625
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Speaker 5: Using Google Translate, like they're starting in Hebrew or English

626
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 5: and then just having it translated into Arabic. And what

627
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 5: happens when you do that is that your language doesn't

628
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Speaker 5: sound authentic. And so that particular story was a claim.

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Speaker 5: You remember, this bombshell was a claim that Iran was

630
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Speaker 5: read in on October seventh and that Hamas wanted Irani

631
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Speaker 5: and helped for October seventh.

632
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Speaker 4: Which is a hugely significant and which.

633
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Speaker 5: Was used as a pretext for the expansion of their

634
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Speaker 5: assault on Iran. So it turns out, let's come just

635
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 5: completely fake. So now fast forward to just a couple

636
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Speaker 5: of days ago, they put out a new investigation that

637
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 5: they said was from Hamas documents that Israel had obtained

638
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 5: and given to the New York Times. This one, the

639
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 5: document said basically it was Hamas saying, we love to

640
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 5: hide our militants inside unra's schools and is our secret weapon.

641
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: To go after Israel. Like that's basically what they're saying.

642
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 5: This document says in that article, they say that they

643
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 5: were not able to authenticate the documents, but they believed

644
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 5: they were authentic because they bore similarities to previous documents

645
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 5: that they had been able to authenticate. So they're clearly

646
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 5: referring back to these Iran documents, which we now know

647
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 5: were fabricated themselves.

648
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Speaker 1: So Israel is just concocting. And then what do they do?

649
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: Bombed in two Unra.

650
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Speaker 5: Schools and killed more than sixty people, So like this

651
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 5: is all premeditated. Like so they cook up these faked documents,

652
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 5: they give them to the New York Times, they say

653
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Speaker 5: these are Hamas documents, and then they use that article

654
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 5: as pretexts. Then for some slaughter that they carry out.

655
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Speaker 5: They did get busted by Build, not by Build Build,

656
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Speaker 5: and I believe it was Jewish Currents ran a piece

657
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Speaker 5: based on quote unquote Hamas documents that said that Yayahsinwar

658
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 5: was planning to escape to Egypt with a bunch of

659
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Speaker 5: hostages that turned out to be demonstrably proven to be

660
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Speaker 5: a hoax and a bunch of egg on Build's face,

661
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Speaker 5: and like that's not in question, Like you don't need

662
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Speaker 5: to take it from me that that was fake, but

663
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Speaker 5: that happened before The New York Times is getting hoaxed here.

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Speaker 4: So the reason, I mean, there are many reasons, but

665
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Speaker 4: one of the pieces of this puzzle that's so significant

666
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Speaker 4: is obviously the Iran link. Because the New York Times,

667
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Speaker 4: what in two thousand and two, two thousand and three,

668
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 4: was relying on bad sourcing and that reporting was used

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Speaker 4: over and over again to substantiate war.

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Speaker 8: Right.

671
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Speaker 4: It's a lesson that is very has very recently been learned,

672
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Speaker 4: specifically specifically by the New York Times. And some of

673
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Speaker 4: this you and I probably disagree on some of this,

674
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Speaker 4: but some of it doesn't even need to be faked

675
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Speaker 4: and exaggerated because we've talked before about how there's a

676
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Speaker 4: genuine challenge for UNRA in Gaza to like disentangle itself

677
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Speaker 4: from the government, which is de facto Hamas.

678
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Speaker 1: Right, like this, they have tens of thousands of employees.

679
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Speaker 4: Right right, yeah, And it just so all that is

680
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Speaker 4: to say for The New York Times, I mean, Israel's

681
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Speaker 4: another question.

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Speaker 5: And to the point, like most of those tens of

683
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Speaker 5: thousands of employees are like teachers and those types of

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Speaker 5: folks so just do some of them work, you know,

685
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Speaker 5: on the side from us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like a handful with no doubt.

687
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a problem.

688
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Speaker 5: But what Israel had claimed that they had found much

689
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Speaker 5: more sinister collaboration and then use that to slaughter a

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Speaker 5: bunch of civilians and who are sheltering in these in

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Speaker 5: these schools.

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Speaker 4: It's very very sloppy, I mean on the part of

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Speaker 4: the New York Times and such a high stakes. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know why.

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Speaker 5: I don't even know why Israel and New York Times bother.

696
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Speaker 5: At this point, Israel has shown that it can slaughter

697
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Speaker 5: endless amounts of Palestinians without any cover. They don't even

698
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Speaker 5: need the New York Times to lie for them. Like,

699
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Speaker 5: so if you're at the New York Times, you can

700
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Speaker 5: stand down, like the world has given up. The world

701
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Speaker 5: is just allowing this genocide to unfold. You want to

702
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Speaker 5: go ahead and and your credibility in order to facilitate

703
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Speaker 5: more of the genocide. You go ahead and do it,

704
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 5: but you don't actually have to anymore, Like nobody's going

705
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Speaker 5: to stop them.

706
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Speaker 4: It's a I mean, this Jeremy just calling the calling

707
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Speaker 4: the guy like.

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Speaker 1: He's like, can you prove that Yeah, here's voice memo,

709
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Speaker 1: here's texts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's such a set amazing.

711
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Speaker 1: So embarrassing.

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Speaker 5: Oh so we went to the New York Times for comment,

713
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 5: and they responded by saying that they didn't answer any

714
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Speaker 5: of the questions directly. They responded by saying that it

715
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Speaker 5: was a rich story based on lots of different sources. Sure,

716
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 5: so they talked to analysts and other people for other

717
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Speaker 5: parts of the story. The headline, the lead, and the

718
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Speaker 5: whole story are about these documents that you obtained, and

719
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Speaker 5: you're not even going to stand up for those documents.

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Speaker 4: Right exactly. That's a cop outaresthetic.

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Speaker 1: They should be ashamed of themselves.

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Speaker 5: They they they feel like they have total impunity because

723
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Speaker 5: the Washington Post, Lost Angelis, Times, Wall Street Journal, all

724
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 5: these other outlets that used to be major competitors of

725
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Speaker 5: theirs have all withered, and so the New York Times

726
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Speaker 5: now just stands alone, and so they're just completely unchecked

727
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Speaker 5: except by people within their newsroom and by independent media

728
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Speaker 5: at this point.

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Speaker 1: But the editors there will they even hold a meeting

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Speaker 1: about this.

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Speaker 5: Oh hey, by the way, guys, we turns out we

732
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Speaker 5: got hoaxed and ran two major stories based on documents

733
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Speaker 5: that were fabricated, and dozens of people were killed, many

734
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Speaker 5: of them were burned to death as a result of

735
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Speaker 5: and on the predicate of these articles that we published

736
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Speaker 5: and got. Should we meet about this and try to

737
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Speaker 5: not have this happen again, because it's because even if

738
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Speaker 5: you don't care about all the death, it's embarrassing. But

739
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Speaker 5: because they have so much impunity because they have no

740
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Speaker 5: competitors at this point, that's interesting point because not even

741
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Speaker 5: have a meeting about this.

742
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Speaker 4: In prior eras the Washington Post would have loved to

743
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Speaker 4: run your drops and would light them up and they

744
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 4: would have been calling the source. Yeah, if they had

745
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Speaker 4: more like if if they had more resources, and absolutely

746
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Speaker 4: yea and more like I mean right now, they're really

747
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Speaker 4: just not even competing with the time, so it's not

748
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Speaker 4: necessarily even the thought like, oh, let's spend some of

749
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Speaker 4: our reporters time calling up one of their sources.

750
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Speaker 5: But yeah, and there's also it's a kind of colonialism

751
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Speaker 5: where it's like you can actually just say whatever you

752
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 5: want about Hamas and Hamas documents, just say it, and

753
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 5: nobody's nobody's gonna like raise an issue with it.

754
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Speaker 4: Let's move on to the indictment of Luigi Mangione. He

755
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 4: was indicted last night. We put C one up on

756
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Speaker 4: the screen. He was indicted for first degree murder, obviously

757
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Speaker 4: in the death of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. That

758
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 4: is according to the Manhattan District Attorney's office. So that's

759
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Speaker 4: a step towards actually getting He's facing two counts we

760
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Speaker 4: should add a second degree murder. One of it is

761
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Speaker 4: killing as a crime of terrorism, two for second degree

762
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Speaker 4: criminal possession of a weapon, three counts of third degree

763
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Speaker 4: criminal possession of a weapon, one count for fourth degree

764
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Speaker 4: possession of a weapon, and one count of second degree

765
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Speaker 4: possession of a forged instrument. So he's facing all kinds

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Speaker 4: of charges. This one obviously is the headline charge, but

767
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Speaker 4: it also comes amidst discussion about an Emerson poll. This

768
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Speaker 4: is C two we should put up on the screen here, Ryan,

769
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Speaker 4: did you see this Emerson poll where a majority of

770
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Speaker 4: voters think the actions of the killer of the United

771
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Speaker 4: Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson are unacceptable. Seventeen percent find the

772
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Speaker 4: actions acceptable, while sixteen percent are unsure. Now, interestingly, the

773
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Speaker 4: pollster says while sixty eight percent of voters overall reject

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Speaker 4: the killer's actions. Younger voters and Democrats are more split.

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Speaker 4: Forty one percent of voters aged eighteen through twenty nine

776
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Speaker 4: find the killer's actions acceptable. But to clear the breakdown

777
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Speaker 4: of that is, twenty four percent of those eighteen to

778
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Speaker 4: twenty nine year old said it was somewhat acceptable. Seventeen

779
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Speaker 4: percent said it was completely acceptable. And when you combine

780
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Speaker 4: both of them, that's where you get the forty one

781
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Speaker 4: percent thinking that it was acceptable, even though some of

782
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Speaker 4: them just said somewhat. And media I covered this as

783
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Speaker 4: you just saw on the screen as a quote stunning poll,

784
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Speaker 4: I don't know that it's that stunning, Ryan, what do

785
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Speaker 4: you think?

786
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Speaker 1: Well?

787
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Speaker 5: Also, one detailed I think we should let the viewers

788
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Speaker 5: know is that this murder happened on December fourth, which

789
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Speaker 5: is the day that we were recording Counterpoints here in

790
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Speaker 5: the studio. And if you remember, there was a kid

791
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Speaker 5: named Luigi Mangione who came by and was in the

792
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Speaker 5: control room from about six am until about I think

793
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Speaker 5: we did a Counterpoints Friday recording afterwards, so that went

794
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Speaker 5: till eleven or eleven thirty. It might be a different

795
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Speaker 5: Luigi Manjean, but from seeing him seemed like the same

796
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Speaker 5: guy seeing Baltimore.

797
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Speaker 1: We talked.

798
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Speaker 5: I remember we talked about Gilman and his prep school kid.

799
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Speaker 5: He talked about how he'd never been to New York,

800
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Speaker 5: didn't have any plans on going to New York.

801
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he can't even ride a bike.

802
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Speaker 1: Actually, from what I he couldn't ride a bike. You

803
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Speaker 1: would never ride a city bike because you do.

804
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Speaker 4: People don't know.

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Speaker 1: This sates McDonald's.

806
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Speaker 4: You love to talk about bikes.

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Speaker 1: I do, like, yeah, we had a long conversation about bikes.

808
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Speaker 1: Curly hair.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, So the terror, by the way, I'm curious for

810
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Speaker 5: your taking the terror charges. Yeah, I've seen I've seen

811
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Speaker 5: people make a but I think it is a fair point. Like, hey,

812
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Speaker 5: wait a minute, January sixth, guys, they were they were

813
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Speaker 5: trying to terrorize all sorts of people. They don't get

814
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Speaker 5: charged with that. Lots of people don't get charged with terror.

815
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Speaker 5: On the other hand, you know, if that wasn't Luigi

816
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Speaker 5: who was here in the control room, I think it was,

817
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 5: but it wasn't. Whoever was guilty of this has said that,

818
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Speaker 5: like the goal was to sow terror, like.

819
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Speaker 4: It's in the paragraph manifesto.

820
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Speaker 5: When when when Lennon and Rose Pierre used the word terror.

821
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Speaker 5: They don't use it pejoratively.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, their goal.

823
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Speaker 4: Is to terror Please please don't charge me with terrorism.

824
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Speaker 5: Yeah, not not saying that he did it, but if

825
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 5: he did, the goal was to terrorize. So yeah, so

826
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Speaker 5: that like the pearl clutching around the terrorism charges to

827
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Speaker 5: me is like, well, look man, if you're going to

828
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 5: do this stuff like this, that's what you're doing, right.

829
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Speaker 4: And Migngioni is pleading not guilty. Right, he says this

830
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Speaker 4: is not what happened, and which which is very interesting.

831
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Speaker 1: He was here in the control room.

832
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it continues to be very interesting because this

833
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 4: is the there's a manifesto that is being pinned to him,

834
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Speaker 4: and maybe it is him. It seems likelier that doesn't fit.

835
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Speaker 4: It seems likely not that it is, but but we've

836
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Speaker 4: seen set up, so it's not impossible that there are

837
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: I mean really though, like he's pleading not guilty. The

838
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 4: whole situation is extremely bizarre. He's able to get he

839
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 4: shoots a guy in cold blood in Manhattan during the

840
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: day and just gets away for days, just blends into

841
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 4: the crowd in town and is able to actually get

842
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 4: out of state to Pennsylvania and isn't caught for days

843
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 4: Like that, I think of itself is pretty strange. That

844
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 4: continues to me to be the weirdest part of all

845
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 4: of this.

846
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 5: I would like to know the real story on how

847
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 5: they caught him, because you know, when whatever like this

848
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 5: feels like one of those stitched together, you know, cover

849
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 5: stories for how they caught him, because where in fact,

850
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 5: they were using surveillance technologies that are, to put it generously,

851
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 5: maybe on the constitutional edge of being allowed. And so

852
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 5: what will often happen if you use those types of

853
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 5: authorities to solve a crime or to catch somebody, You

854
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 5: then figure out a way that you could have done

855
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 5: it legitimately, and you pull that together, or maybe they

856
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 5: really are completely incompetent and just you know, somebody you

857
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 5: know saw him at the McDonald's and made a phone call.

858
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Speaker 4: Speculation is that he's going to plead not guilty by insanity,

859
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 4: which is obviously a different you know, that's very different

860
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Speaker 4: than saying I flat out didn't do it.

861
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Speaker 5: Not guilty by insanity. Like right, there's two. Basically, you're

862
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Speaker 5: trying to get the jury to get You're trying to

863
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 5: give the jury a reason to acquit you even though

864
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 5: they know you did it, And the one would be

865
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Speaker 5: I wasn't there, it wasn't me.

866
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Speaker 1: This is all planted, and it's like, like you said,

867
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Speaker 1: it's getting hard.

868
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty hard. There's a lot of footage.

869
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, because they could subpoena our cameras here and find

870
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 5: that actually Luigi wasn't here. But then the second one

871
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 5: would be to say he was insane, and then the

872
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 5: jury can be like, yeah, he was temporarily insane, right,

873
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 5: and that doesn't mean we condone it. We mean it

874
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 5: was an active insanity, but it means we're going to

875
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 5: let him go now.

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Speaker 1: And then they give him a gun charge or something.

877
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 4: Right, well, he has charges, so they.

878
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Speaker 5: Feel like they've still said there have to be some

879
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 5: consequences here, but not necessarily life in prison.

880
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: Right.

881
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 5: I think that's my guess of where the strategy goes. Yeah,

882
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 5: so are you surprised at the forty one to forty

883
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 5: youth that's twenty nine and under say that by forty

884
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 5: one to forty now it's Emerson.

885
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: They're like it's a.

886
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 4: Thousand percon pole, right, But anyway, well, I'm saying that's

887
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 4: not I mean, yes, I'm sure polsters would look at

888
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 4: me and be like a thousand people that's statistically stated,

889
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 4: bobble bar.

890
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: It is. But if you're a bad polster, you can

891
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: get whatever you want out of that.

892
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: Well, when you're down in the seventeen percent, you can

893
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 4: find seventeen percent of Americans who say just about everything

894
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 4: like it's it's usually around twenty percent.

895
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: You can say in a poll it's somewhat acceptable.

896
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 4: It's forty one combined with the seventeen so somewhat.

897
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: That's somewhat and definitely acceptable.

898
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 4: Completely acceptable, right, Yeah, So all that is to say, I.

899
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 5: Think it's a tough one because people have complicated views

900
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 5: about this. I think they're like, it's wrong to commit murder.

901
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 5: I wouldn't commit murder. I wouldn't urge anybody to commit murder.

902
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: What do I think about this? Kind of rather than

903
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: not say so, where do you.

904
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 5: Where do you come down? Like how do you pull

905
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 5: that right? Sentiment, which I think is pretty widely held.

906
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 4: And by the way, we should be clear that we

907
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 4: don't exactly know how man Joni is exactly going to

908
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 4: plead Again, the speculation is not guilty by reason of insanity.

909
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 4: It does look like all the indications are not guilty.

910
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 4: That he that's his case is going to be, is

911
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 4: not guilty, but how exactly he makes that plea is

912
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 4: a different question. Now back to this, there's two different

913
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 4: things here. I mean, if you're asking the question of

914
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 4: somewhat acceptable versus completely acceptable, to your point, the complicated

915
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 4: feelings about acceptability are going to come in. And that's

916
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 4: where it seems like, I.

917
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: Guess that falls under somewhat acceptable.

918
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 4: But that's the thing, right, Like there's somewhat unacceptable. There's

919
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 4: a totally different question as to whether it's acceptable to

920
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 4: talk about Thompson's corruption in the aftermath of his death.

921
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 4: And I feel like it's very easy to conflate those

922
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 4: two things, especially if you're just like responding quickly to

923
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 4: a pole. And so I think some of it from that.

924
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 4: And there's all of this like hysteria over people getting zoomers,

925
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 4: getting like mangioni tattoos. They're doing it because everyone's going

926
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 4: to their fainting couch and acting as though healthcare executives

927
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 4: are beyond criticism. And it just strikes me as such

928
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 4: a like when somebody take an example of a combine,

929
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 4: what do we do after something like that we talk

930
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 4: about bullying, we talk about why it's not okay to

931
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 4: bully people because it makes people snap. It doesn't mean

932
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 4: it's okay. Nobody's saying it's okay for people to snap.

933
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 4: Like we are adults and can hold multiple views at

934
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 4: the same time that are not inconsistent. Like two things

935
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 4: can be true that the more you create a climate

936
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 4: that pushes people to extremism and makes them miserable, makes

937
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 4: them angry, the more likely you are to get situations

938
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 4: like this. It doesn't justify it, it doesn't make it right.

939
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 4: And so I think the way the question is worded

940
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 4: is in that direction. And I think the reason that

941
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 4: so many people are acting out and like ironically sometimes

942
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 4: not ironically, like embracing MANGIONI. It's not the way that

943
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 4: I'm reacting to any of this, But the reason is

944
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 4: because there's now so much hysteria that's like weirdly defending

945
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 4: the healthcare industry and acting like he was just a

946
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 4: guy who was trying to do.

947
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 5: His best diving deeper into the pull. The other interesting

948
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 5: number is this somewhat unacceptable because yes, it's somebody who

949
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 5: you know, shot a guy in the back in on

950
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 5: sixth Avenue, and to get people off of totally unacceptable,

951
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 5: which is where everybody starts with that act, and move

952
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 5: them even to somewhat unacceptable. Is you know that's something

953
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 5: that that's some gray area for young people. That was

954
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 5: an extra seven percent, So that takes it to forty

955
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 5: forty eight percent, which leaves only one in three people

956
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 5: under twenty nine saying that it was completely unacceptable. So

957
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 5: two thirds of young people confronted with, hey, this somebody

958
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 5: walked up and shot somebody in the back in broad daylight?

959
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: Is that completely unacceptable?

960
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 5: Two out of three were not willing to say that

961
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 5: was completely unacceptable. So even though only forty one so

962
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 5: it's actually kind of a higher number.

963
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 4: Yes, And I do get why people are I get why,

964
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 4: you know, they're people who the types of people who

965
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 4: introduce themselves to that happy hours is like classical liberals

966
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 4: are disturbed by these numbers, And I get why, like

967
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 4: normal people are disturbed by these numbers. They are like, yes,

968
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 4: that's it speaks to the problem of the healthcare system,

969
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 4: and it speaks to the problem of like the deep,

970
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: deep anger and sense of unjust like unjustness and just

971
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 4: misery that people are experiencing, and this is like cathartic.

972
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 4: So yes, it's disturbing because the system in order to operate,

973
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 4: in order to in order to let's say, exact justice

974
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 4: peacefully and through the classically liberal process, you have to

975
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 4: have buy in. And what you're losing is public buy in.

976
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 4: And you can't just blame the public for that. You

977
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 4: have to also blame the top for that. Right. Just

978
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 4: to lash out at the public is the exact wrong

979
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 4: way to go about it. And it's only going to

980
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 4: make things worse if you're just lashing out of the public.

981
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: And I feel bad for TikTok.

982
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 5: Just as they thought they were maybe going to get

983
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 5: some salvation from the from the coming band, all of

984
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 5: a sudden, all these young people are in now celebrating Luigi.

985
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 5: So TikTok is like they're starting to take it out

986
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 5: of app stores. Right, It's like like the ban is coming,

987
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 5: like it's like a month away or something like that.

988
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 5: And so there's but there's still time to stave it off.

989
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 5: Donald Trump, at his press conference this week hinted that

990
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 5: there might be some daylight there.

991
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: Let's let's roll Trump here.

992
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 4: C Three, How do you plan to stop the ban on.

993
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 6: TikTok next month, we'll take a look at TikTok. You know,

994
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 6: I have a warm spot in my heart for TikTok

995
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 6: because I won youth by thirty four points. There are

996
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 6: those that say that TikTok has something to do with it. Now,

997
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 6: Joe Rogan did and some of the other people that

998
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 6: were recommended by my son Barony, who have any new names?

999
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: I said, who is that?

1000
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 6: Tell me who's that dead?

1001
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: You gotta be kidding. I can't believe you don't know.

1002
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 6: And I did those interviews and it was actually sort

1003
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 6: of cute. Do you want to know the truth? So

1004
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 6: I have a little bit of a warm spot in

1005
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 6: my heart. I'll be honest.

1006
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 5: I love how transparent Trump is, the transactional nature.

1007
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: Of his support for someone else.

1008
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 5: We've always known that that the only litmus test for Trump,

1009
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 5: whether he likes you is if you like him. Yes,

1010
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 5: Kim Jong un does like TikTok, young people Muslims in America.

1011
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter if you like him, he likes you, by

1012
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: the way, not to be the actually guy.

1013
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 5: He did not win the youth vote by thirty four

1014
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 5: points for in his circle, which does that leave him alone?

1015
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: Fifty two forty six to ask.

1016
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 5: But hey, if he wants to think, if he wants

1017
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 5: to think that young people supported him by thirty four

1018
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 5: points and he wants to then govern based on what

1019
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 5: young people want for this country, then Donald Trump, you

1020
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 5: won young people by thirty four points. I actually actually

1021
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 5: don't believe anybody who tells you otherwise.

1022
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 4: One of the funny things is when we were talking

1023
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 4: with our friend Luigi in the control room on December fourth,

1024
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 4: he said that Trump won ninety percent of the youth vote,

1025
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 4: but we didn't. We never checked it out. Yeah, but

1026
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 4: it could be true.

1027
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 5: And Luigi said that he really separates Trump from the

1028
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 5: rest of the oligarchs.

1029
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: Right now, by starting this bit, you have probably gotten.

1030
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: Us in so much trouble. I didn't start the bit.

1031
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: People would probably know that.

1032
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 5: I'm just referencing memes on like Facebook and elsewhere, all

1033
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 5: these people saying like, I just wanted to talk about

1034
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 5: this cool December fourth morning I had with my friend

1035
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 5: Luigi down in San Antonio. We got coffee, we did

1036
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 5: the little little walk on the river there.

1037
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 4: You brought the bit here. Yeah, you'll have to accept

1038
00:51:58,880 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 4: that plan.

1039
00:51:59,320 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: That's fair enough.

1040
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 5: In any event, the I think TikTok has a chance

1041
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 5: of surviving. For this reason. The deep State had wanted

1042
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 5: to ban TikTok for a very long time because they

1043
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 5: don't control it. China's got influence over there, and they

1044
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 5: don't like having like they're in the US news media.

1045
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 5: They want US news media to be the sovereign domain

1046
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 5: of our corporate overlords, not our Chinese overlords. But they

1047
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 5: could never get any any traction with that belief until

1048
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 5: after October seventh. After October seventh, people were able to

1049
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 5: see people in Gaza who they connected with in a

1050
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 5: parasocial way being slaughtered on a daily basis, and it

1051
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 5: turned the public who was getting their news from TikTok uh.

1052
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: Off of the off of the genocide.

1053
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 5: Like it convinced them that what they were being told

1054
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 5: in the in the sanitized version of the news did

1055
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 5: not comport with what was actually happening on the ground.

1056
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 5: That's when they were able to get bipartisan buy in

1057
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 5: to pass the legislation to force a sale, which they're

1058
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,479
Speaker 5: saying they won't sell it, so therefore they will shut

1059
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 5: it down. I think now that they basically are successful

1060
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 5: in their genocide, and nobody's going to stop them, that

1061
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 5: the main thrust behind the ban is kind of gone,

1062
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 5: so maybe they'll give it a reprieve.

1063
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think?

1064
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, the just wait until we

1065
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 4: start talking more about China and the drones, right, Republican,

1066
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 4: Republican and Democrats.

1067
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: Like that is there is right And Michael McCall is saying.

1068
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 4: Michael m news that was news last night. He said

1069
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 4: it was like Chinese technology or likely Chinese drones, which

1070
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 4: I don't know why he's saying that without you know,

1071
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 4: the it's just we've.

1072
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: Heard already told the Iranian drone.

1073
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 4: We were told there were Iranians from Jeff.

1074
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 5: Andrew, Transportation Secretary, a Transportation Committee member, which yeah, like

1075
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 5: get out.

1076
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: Of here with your Yeah. I don't know who told credential.

1077
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 4: He said someone told him that.

1078
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: He said, I'm on.

1079
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 5: He said, I'm on the committee, and I talked to people,

1080
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 5: talk to people in the business.

1081
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: You know, he's talking to some drone company owner.

1082
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 4: So when Paul came out and said that last night,

1083
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 4: my spidery senses went up.

1084
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 5: I mean, maybe now this has come from the intelligence A

1085
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 5: side exactly.

1086
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe, but I just I think your point about

1087
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 4: control is really important, and.

1088
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: I actually I commented, I said, he doesn't know.

1089
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 4: I like my I have a very unpopular take on this.

1090
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 4: I've said that TikTok should be banned for a long time,

1091
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 4: but not for any of these reasons. And the TikTok

1092
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 4: bill is such a disaster, like it was just a

1093
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 4: I didn't support any of that because it was complete

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Speaker 4: deep state overreach.

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Speaker 5: I think I think all social media should be banned

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Speaker 5: for people under like sixteen or something close.

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Speaker 1: So because it's a collective action problem.

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Speaker 5: As a parent, I'm completely failing when it comes to

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Speaker 5: my kids in social media.

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Speaker 1: Kids can't parents can't do it alone.

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Speaker 5: So I think that the deal, the grand bargain that

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Speaker 5: we should strike with China and trum Trump is already

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Speaker 5: talking about US and China together can do great things

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Speaker 5: for the world.

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Speaker 1: So here should be the deal.

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Speaker 5: We will allow TikTok to continue, but Chairman, she gets

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Speaker 5: to regulate our children's social media consumption.

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Speaker 1: In China.

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Speaker 5: It's like you get one hour on Friday, one hour

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Speaker 5: on Saturday, and they just that includes video games.

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Speaker 4: But you know, they just pump government propaganda into the

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Speaker 4: because it's a totally.

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Speaker 1: Different it's only hours. If it's fine.

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Speaker 4: You want your kids getting us government propaganda.

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Speaker 1: If it's only for an hour on Friday and Saturday.

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Speaker 4: It's like top gun two clips.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever, fine.

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Speaker 5: So I would I look at China's regulation of social

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Speaker 5: media for their kids and I'm so jealous.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmm, Like they've they've they've got that under control.

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Speaker 5: So so so if we can outsource that to she,

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Speaker 5: then we'll let TikTok keep going.

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Speaker 4: Ryan, I've been excited over the last couple of days

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Speaker 4: to get your take on what went down in the

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Speaker 4: back rooms of the Democratic House Caucus when Jerry Connolly

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Speaker 4: just snatched defeat from the draws of victory victory for himself,

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Speaker 4: defeat argument for the Democratic Party when he took chairmanship

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Speaker 4: of the House Oversight or ranking member of the House

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Speaker 4: Oversight Committee, from Alexandra Okazio Cortez, who wanted the job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So the backstory here is Jamie Raskin was had this

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Speaker 5: position as top Democrat on Oversight Committee.

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Speaker 1: He moved over to take the top.

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Speaker 5: Spot on the Judiciary Committee, which is kind of higher

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Speaker 5: ranking spot he had.

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Speaker 1: He and he and AOC are very close.

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Speaker 5: He had made AOC the vice chair, which is a

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Speaker 5: kind of position that he made up, but came with

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Speaker 5: a real authority on the committee, an ability to learn

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Speaker 5: operation of it and how to get things how to

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Speaker 5: get things done, and how to do you know, oversight

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Speaker 5: both towards you know, the law enforcement directions, the PENA direction,

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Speaker 5: but also using the committee as a platform for you know,

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Speaker 5: creating political controversis controversy and narratives and videos and you

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Speaker 5: know what you know, which is like ninety nine percent

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Speaker 5: of Congress's job at this point.

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Speaker 4: Well, and Jim Jordan used it very effectively as well.

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Speaker 4: When you're in the minority, you still have a lot

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Speaker 4: of power if you're on oversight because you're just driving

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Speaker 4: different investigative narratives.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and so if the if the vote were just

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Speaker 5: up to the Oversight Committee, Democrats there, they're mostly all

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Speaker 5: AOC allies. When that overwhelmingly goes to the Steering Committee,

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Speaker 5: which is a kind of secretive leadership situation, It was

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Speaker 5: where you know that like she never had a shot there,

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Speaker 5: but then you can challenge it and take it to

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Speaker 5: the entire caucus and we can put up the results

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Speaker 5: of that caucus vote, which just happened. She lost one

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Speaker 5: thirty one to eighty four, so later later today, but

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Speaker 5: it'll air on Friday Thursday.

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Speaker 1: If you're a premium I will be interviewing.

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Speaker 5: Greg Gasar Cottrissman from Texas, who is the new chair

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Speaker 5: of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. The Progressive Caucus has, blask him,

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Speaker 5: ninety five members one hundred something like that. It has

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Speaker 5: more than eighty four, so in other words, so these

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Speaker 5: are secret ballots, by the way, so nobody knows how

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Speaker 5: people voted.

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Speaker 1: AOC didn't even win the.

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Speaker 5: Entire Progressive Caucus. That shows but and she's close with

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Speaker 5: a decent number of people who are not in the

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Speaker 5: Progressive Caucus. So actually, so Connolly, did you know fairly

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Speaker 5: well creeping into the CPC?

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Speaker 4: So how that's I think is probably very well.

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Speaker 1: And we'll talk to Kazar about this.

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Speaker 5: The Progressive Caucus for many Democrats is a branding exercise.

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Speaker 1: Two. Just tell people back at home that they're progressive.

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Speaker 4: Which is the opposite of the Freedom Caucus, which actually

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Speaker 4: like pretty rigorously enforces.

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Speaker 1: Right, and they kicked out Mario Taylor Green even yeah, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: There have been some efforts by a Parilla Giapaul to

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Speaker 5: tighten to tighten kind of conditions for getting in, you

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Speaker 5: have to support two thirds of the things that you

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Speaker 5: know that they you know, complicated litmus tests, but a

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Speaker 5: lot of room for letting people walk. And on the

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Speaker 5: one hand, like there are there are circumstances like Matt

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Speaker 5: cart Wright, who lost rip was Scranton progressive who kept

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Speaker 5: winning this Trump district.

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Speaker 1: And progressive would say, okay, look, there are going to.

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Speaker 5: Be some things he's not with us on because he

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Speaker 5: represents this kind of rural Pennsylvania district.

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Speaker 1: But he's for Medicare for all, he's for the Green

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Speaker 1: New Days, like he's for.

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Speaker 5: All this stuff, and he's a populist Democrat that he's

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Speaker 5: the kind we want. That's a good argument, but a

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Speaker 5: lot of other Democrats use that argument to smuggle in

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Speaker 5: a lot of corporate behavior. What really happened here, though,

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Speaker 5: was predictable from the very beginning, and that is that

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Speaker 5: AOC ousted Joe Crowley came in a way that is

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Speaker 5: unacceptable to her colleagues, came unforgivable and unforgivable, came in

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Speaker 5: with other people who had unforgivable views when it came

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Speaker 5: to Israel and Palestine, where she did to leave me

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Speaker 5: all on Omar and then proceeded to continue to endorse

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Speaker 5: some primary challenges to sitting Democrats, not as many as

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Speaker 5: the left would like, not as early as the organizations

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Speaker 5: would like, but far more than was acceptable two incumbent democrats.

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Speaker 5: The acceptable number of primary challenges for incumbent Democrats is zero,

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Speaker 5: with the asterisk being it's okay, if you want a

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Speaker 5: primary Corey Bush, Jamal Bowman and Omar reshoot it to

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Speaker 5: leave those those kinds of incumbent Democrats, you can you

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Speaker 5: can challenge those, and that's not actually a threat to

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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: You're still you can still be a team player.

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Speaker 5: Although even there, it's like you didn't have a whole

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Speaker 5: lot of Democrats openly going against Jamal Bowman and Corey

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Speaker 5: Bush for for that reason that there's there's this, uh come,

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Speaker 5: there's this like Omerta within this within the within the house,

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Speaker 5: which is again.

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Speaker 4: It is so so different and we'll talk about this

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Speaker 4: a little bit, but it is so different from the Republicans,

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Speaker 4: which basically are I say this not pejoratively like a circus,

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Speaker 4: like they air their stuff out.

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Speaker 1: Which they should good, good for them. And so in

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Speaker 1: my book, the squad.

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Speaker 5: I interviewed a lot of AOC's staff members who who

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Speaker 5: said that very early twenty nineteen, this was a fundamental

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Speaker 5: question facing her as she came into office. Would she

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Speaker 5: try to get along with her colleagues well and move

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Speaker 5: up the ranks of the Democratic Party, build power that way,

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Speaker 5: and then use that power for good. Or is she

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Speaker 5: a constant insurgent who uses her platform in the House

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Speaker 5: to build a national movement and just understands that the

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Speaker 5: House is not the place where she's going to exercise

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Speaker 5: her power, but that the House is actually a defanged

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Speaker 5: institution anyway, and that there's more power culturally and politically

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Speaker 5: at being a national figure.

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Speaker 1: And her staff.

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Speaker 5: Who were on the other side of this argument, disagreed

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Speaker 5: with the idea of kind of playing by the rules

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Speaker 5: and moving up to the ranks, said, it's actually not

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Speaker 5: even a choice for you. There is nothing that you

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Speaker 5: can do to shrink yourself down small enough that they

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Speaker 5: will ever forgive you for what you did.

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Speaker 1: And I was last night, I was pulled.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to pull up one quote because I think

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Speaker 5: it's quite prescient from Corbyn. Trent, if you remember, that

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Speaker 5: was her Tennessee communications director who had a fun Southern drawl.

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Speaker 5: It was always kind of discordant and fun to hear him,

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Speaker 5: like representing the Bronx congresswoman. But so he like so

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Speaker 5: at one point and so this is from the book,

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Speaker 5: he said Trump Trent Corbin. Trent said he would often

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Speaker 5: warn Ocasio Cortez that, because of the way she had

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Speaker 5: burst onto the scene and because of the threat she

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Speaker 5: represented to others, her hope of being accepted as a

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Speaker 5: member in good standing would always be frustrated. Quote disarming

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Speaker 5: will not make them happy, he said. Even if she

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Speaker 5: left politics and became merely an influencer or an MSNBC

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Speaker 5: talking head, he argued, they'd still hunt her until the

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Speaker 5: end of time, he said. Quote The funny thing is

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Speaker 5: it still wouldn't prove to her that.

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Speaker 1: It won't work.

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Speaker 5: I just have to get a little smaller so nobody

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Speaker 5: thinks I'm a threat. Okay, sorry again, guys, Sorry again

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Speaker 5: for all this trouble. And so she tried that that

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Speaker 5: root of sorry for all his trouble. But like, look out,

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Speaker 5: look how prepared I am at the Oversight committee hearings.

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Speaker 5: Look how look how much good I do for the party. Yep,

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Speaker 5: I've gone to Nevada, which we won. Ye, I helped

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Speaker 5: Jackie Rosen win in Nevada. You sent you sent me

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Speaker 5: to Pennsylvania with Puerto Rican population.

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Speaker 4: I'm popular on TikTok, Like these oversight hearings are going

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Speaker 4: viral on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Young people. Yeah, absolutely love me.

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Speaker 5: It's it is their hook into the Democratic Party. And

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Speaker 5: she kept believing that the Democratic Party cared about any

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Speaker 5: of that, that the Democratic Party cared about winning or

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Speaker 5: doing good things.

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Speaker 1: That was that's her fundamental like disconnect.

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Speaker 5: If you see these members of Congress as just individual

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Speaker 5: power seeking politicians rather than people who are engaged in

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Speaker 5: a collective fight to make the world a better place,

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Speaker 5: then you're going to analyze the situation.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: So it's by having too much faith in her colleagues

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Speaker 5: that she and you found a good post from her

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Speaker 5: Republican friend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's put the next element up, and as we do,

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Speaker 4: I just want to say, like, I think it's true,

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Speaker 4: they care about themselves winning, right like Nancy Pelosi cares

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Speaker 4: about they care about power among their friends like Joe Crowley.

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Speaker 4: That's why you want Joe Crowley to win.

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Speaker 5: Not necessarily ironically, she was even fine to see Joe

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Speaker 5: Crowley lose because he was going to challenge you, speaker,

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Speaker 5: but she just didn't like the idea that broadly speaking,

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Speaker 5: you're going to challenge Democrats, the block.

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Speaker 4: Of establishment right who are loyal to her. So Tim Burchett,

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Speaker 4: who I believe is Freedom Caucus, but they're like fight club,

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Speaker 4: You're not You're not allowed to know. Some of them

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Speaker 4: will say freedom Caucus, like we know some of them are.

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Speaker 4: But I'm happy for us because the Democrats don't realize

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Speaker 4: that in their youth circle, she is a Rocks. That's

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Speaker 4: what Tim Burchett, a Republican, said of Connolly defeating Alexandra

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Speaker 4: Ocazio Cortez. And there's also David Sirota posted after this

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Speaker 4: happened Today's reminder that no change agent will be able

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Speaker 4: to quote nice their way to power inside the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 4: Power will have to be ripped away from the establishment.

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Speaker 4: They're not going to give it away in exchange for

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Speaker 4: good manners or being a team player. When I read that,

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Speaker 4: I just think that is so accurate because it reminds

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Speaker 4: me of the exact dynamics that happened with John Baynor

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Speaker 4: and who was going up against John Baynor, Mark Meadows

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Speaker 4: and Jim Jordan and ultimately Mark Medows and Jim Jordan.

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Speaker 4: They were not interested in playing nice at all, that

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Speaker 4: was clear. They thought they the establishment had sort of

1314
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Speaker 4: thought that they snuffed out the tea Party. Donald Trump

1315
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Speaker 4: came along and Democrats Nancy Pelosi, you're going to get

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Speaker 4: a Donald Trump if you are elevating Connolly over Alexandra

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Speaker 4: Ocazio Cortez and Amos's. He was just trying to tell

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Speaker 4: them that She's trying to say, you have to listen

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Speaker 4: to the populists, but at some point you just have

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Speaker 4: to go completely. You have to go completely, like outside

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Speaker 4: the structures of power because they don't care.

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Speaker 5: Right because even from a cynical perspective, Democrats, even for

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Speaker 5: their own individual advancement, should actually have sided with it.

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Speaker 5: Aoc here because there was reporting that she was telling

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Speaker 5: Democrats that she was going to stop endorsing challenges to

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Speaker 5: incumbents if you give her the ranking, if you give

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Speaker 5: her the ranking seat, you have brought her fully within

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Speaker 5: the tent, and she's going to then stop. You know,

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Speaker 5: you have them completely pulled her in, so she's no

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Speaker 5: longer a threat to you. But they hate her and

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Speaker 5: what she represents so much that even if she completely

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Speaker 5: surrenders it.

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Speaker 1: It's not enough for them. So the only question will be.

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Speaker 5: Does she respond to this by saying, well, Pelosi was

1335
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Speaker 5: my prob and once she's gone, I'll be okay because

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Speaker 5: Pelosi organized behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: And if I just keep showing.

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Speaker 5: My colleagues that I care about the party and I

1339
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 5: care about making the world a better place, that that

1340
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Speaker 5: I am a that I'm a good person to have

1341
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Speaker 5: on the team, that they will eventually welcome me in.

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Speaker 5: So that's and maybe she can just outlive them all,

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Speaker 5: Like she's young enough and they're old definitely will like

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Speaker 5: So that's one option, Like they all just actually die.

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01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 5: And then she's in her fifties and there's all these

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01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 5: people in their thirties and forties who kind of came

1347
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Speaker 5: up in politics admiring her. That that's one. That's one path,

1348
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Speaker 5: m H. The other is to say, they're never going to.

1349
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Speaker 4: Accept me, they're never going to accept her, and.

1350
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Speaker 5: I'm going to build my power base as the leader

1351
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 5: of a movement, which was the kind of Bernie Sanders

1352
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 5: wing of the party, was Elizabeth Warren wing before that.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm going to.

1354
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Speaker 5: Make it the AOC wing and then that's going to

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Speaker 5: be my power base. Yes, like that's that's not option.

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Speaker 5: That's in front of her, and we'll get to see

1357
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Speaker 5: where it goes.

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Speaker 4: She knows that voter sentiments are way closer to her

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Speaker 4: than they are to Nancy Pelosi, the base of the party,

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01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 4: and so what she should realize is that maybe she

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. It sounds like she doesn't

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01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:20,759
Speaker 4: realize this. But the House Freedom Caucus operated as a block.

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Speaker 4: It said, we are taking the Tea Party sentiments because

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01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 4: we recognize there what is popular with our voters, and

1365
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,520
Speaker 4: we are going to we are going to vote in lockstep.

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Speaker 4: They're losing their ability to do that. We should report

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Speaker 4: right here. The House and Senate released a fifteen hundred

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Speaker 4: page NDAA, or basically, it's a it would fund the government.

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Speaker 4: The government will shut down on Friday at midnight if

1370
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Speaker 4: a bill is not passed to continue funding the government.

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Speaker 4: And Mike Johnson has put out a bill in order

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Speaker 4: to hit the seventy two hour review rule. It's kind

1373
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 4: of funny how he's being hampered by the concessions that

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Speaker 4: Kevin McCarthy made to people like Mike Johnson, and then

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Speaker 4: more broadly to the Freedom Caucus specifically to become Speaker,

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Speaker 4: which was putting Conservatives on the Rules Committee. So that's

1377
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 4: trip Roy Thomas Massey who are now thwarting the parliamentary

1378
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 4: procedure of how Johnson ends up getting this build to

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Speaker 4: fund the government through. So that's just an amusing little

1380
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Speaker 4: takeaway that only happened because the Freedom CAC is operated

1381
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Speaker 4: as a block. That is, if the if the Squad,

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Speaker 4: if there was something between the Squad and the Congressional

1383
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 4: Progressive Caucus that's like a middle size between Squad, which

1384
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 4: is too small to operate as a block, and the CPC,

1385
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Speaker 4: which is like too sprawling to be in lockstep on

1386
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Speaker 4: progressive priorities, they would be so powerful.

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Speaker 5: Well, it was headed in that direction, and in twenty

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01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 5: twenty two a ton of them got nuked by APAC

1389
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Speaker 5: and DMFI.

1390
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Speaker 1: So it was a real The Squad was growing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean like it's you can't, you can't.

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Speaker 1: Which is they don't want you final chapters in that book.

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Speaker 4: Even if it's smart for them to put you in

1394
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 4: the club, they don't want you in the club. They

1395
01:10:59,240 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 4: don't want you in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so good luck, and they're never gonna.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and by the way, changing and reforming the entire system,

1398
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 4: this entire Mike Johnson, who was Freedom Caucus adjacent, he

1399
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Speaker 4: wasn't in the Freedom Caucus, but he talked like a

1400
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Speaker 4: lot of them. He's now putting an omnibus out that

1401
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 4: is full of pork that Republicans said they would not do,

1402
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,799
Speaker 4: and he's forcing them to vote on it. He's probably

1403
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 4: going to have to work with Democrats. So is it?

1404
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 4: You know, have anti establishment Republicans changed the system through

1405
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 4: the Freedom Caucus and through saying screw John Bayner were

1406
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 4: working outside of the halls of power. No, but they're

1407
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 4: getting closer and at the very least they've set the

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01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 4: standard that this is not acceptable and Democrats don't have

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Speaker 4: anything like that.

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Speaker 5: Right now, moving over to Ukraine, stunning footage emerging out

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01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,839
Speaker 5: of Moscow and published simultaneously in a bunch of Ukrainian

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Speaker 5: television networks. So we don't have to wonder about, you know,

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Speaker 5: how the footage had taken or what happened here, we

1414
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 5: can roll this vo here.

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Speaker 1: So this is this is the moment.

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Speaker 5: That General igor Kirolov, who's basically in charge of Russia's

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Speaker 5: nuclear Protection Force, is walking out of his There you

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01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 5: see it, walking out of his walking out of a

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01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:17,520
Speaker 5: building in Boom.

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Speaker 4: And if you're listening to it, yeah, you just see

1421
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 4: snow covering snow and debris covering the camera all of

1422
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 4: a sudden.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And so this is happening as as Zelenski is huddling

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01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 5: with with European leaders doing everything he can to try

1426
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 5: to get as much support in place for his war

1427
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 5: effort as possible before Trump takes office. But meanwhile things

1428
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 5: are collapsing politically around him. Not you know, not only

1429
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:52,719
Speaker 5: is Trump coming into office in Washington, you have Trudeau

1430
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 5: on his way out. We're gonna talk about that in

1431
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 5: a moment. Trudeau on his way out in Canada. Canada

1432
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 5: has been one of the really top you know, Western

1433
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Speaker 5: supporters of the Ukrainian war effort, and I think has

1434
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Speaker 5: the third largest population of Ukrainians in the world, including

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Speaker 5: including Ukraine. And you have the German Chancellor Schulz on

1436
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 5: his way out, uh which is and he's probably going

1437
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 5: to be replaced by the you know, the was the

1438
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Speaker 5: Christian Democratic Union whatever they call that center right party

1439
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 5: over it in Germany, which is which has actively been

1440
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 5: saying that they want to reduce support for the Ukraine

1441
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 5: war effort. You've got Macrone in trouble in France, and

1442
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 5: so the writing is clearly on the wall when it

1443
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 5: comes to.

1444
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: Western support for this war effort.

1445
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, you know, Ukraine is running out of Ukrainians to

1446
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,560
Speaker 5: throw into the trenches here, while the Russian economy, in

1447
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 5: the Ukrainian economy is in complete collapse as as any

1448
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 5: economy would be facing this these circumstances and just completely

1449
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 5: propped up by NATO financing. Whereas Russia's economy is, you know,

1450
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 5: it's not completely booming off the walls, but they're doing well.

1451
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 5: Putin is facing no political backlash to speak of it.

1452
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,719
Speaker 5: It's not as if his position is threatened. His his goals,

1453
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 5: you know, continue to remain achievable. So, uh look looking

1454
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 5: like a complete mess. And you know, Trump just the

1455
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 5: other day calling for an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine. The

1456
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 5: a sign of what I think is some desperation comes

1457
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 5: from a.

1458
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: Recent tweeted video. We can put this is put this

1459
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: up as just a vo.

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Speaker 5: This is related to this charge by Western allies that

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01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 5: North Korea is has surged a bunch of like special

1462
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:57,759
Speaker 5: forces operatives into you know to support the Russian cause.

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01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 5: A couple of weeks ago, I repeated that on this

1464
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 5: show because I thought it was just a fact, Like

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Speaker 5: I thought it was like a publicly known fact and

1466
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 5: that North Korea was like that North Korea wasn't denying it,

1467
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 5: nobody was denying it.

1468
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 1: I was like, this is this is what we're doing.

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01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 5: Uh it turns out no, Like uh, it turns out

1470
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 5: that this is an argument that Ukraine and Ukraine supporters

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Speaker 5: in the US have been making.

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Speaker 1: In order to try to gin up support for the

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01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: war effort.

1474
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Speaker 5: Like I and it seems it was like, wait a minute,

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01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 5: that that's what this is.

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01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 4: Are you saying that the claims are exaggerated or that.

1477
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 5: It may not even be true, Like, so, there's there's

1478
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,839
Speaker 5: no evidence that North Koreans are actually fighting in Russia

1479
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 5: other than these claims that are being made. And so

1480
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 5: what we showed you there was z Lensky tweeting that

1481
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 5: the reason that there's no that they have been able

1482
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 5: to provide zero evidence that there are North Koreans participating

1483
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 5: in this this assault is that Russia has been deleting

1484
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 5: all the videos and that they've been burning the faces

1485
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 5: of the Korean troops who've been killed so that Ukraine

1486
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 5: can't then get the bodies and prove to the world

1487
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 5: that this claim they made about North Korean's being there.

1488
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 5: And I don't know if if you believe that, I

1489
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 5: don't know what to tell you, like that, if that's

1490
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 5: that's where you are at this point, you're saying that

1491
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 5: they're burning their faces and they and so they put up.

1492
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 1: A little bit of video that purports to show.

1493
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 5: Something along those lines, and it's like, I don't know, man,

1494
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 5: it's just so. And the reason I repeated on the

1495
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 5: show is like I just I just thought it was true.

1496
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 5: I just thought, like, oh, North Korea is sending some

1497
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 5: troops because Russia asked them to do that.

1498
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, like we should end this war.

1499
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 5: But the source of this has been kind of NATO

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01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 5: sources saying that North Korea is doing this, therefore we

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01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 5: need to, you know, ramp up more funding for this war,

1502
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 5: which is like, that's how far removed I am from

1503
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 5: the the propaganda here, because it's like I don't even

1504
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 5: see how that's a persuasive argument, Like I don't even

1505
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 5: get the right idea that that's a persuasive argument, Like

1506
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 5: you're to me, your position on whether or not this

1507
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 5: war should continue shouldn't be changed, whether or not there's

1508
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 5: some North Korean special forces involved.

1509
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 4: Well, it's actually I think the opposite. I think that's

1510
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 4: what's interesting about this line, which is they think they're

1511
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 4: convinced that what this means is we need to give

1512
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 4: people will people will respond to this and say, oh

1513
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 4: my gosh, yes, please send all of the money to Ukraine,

1514
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 4: and let's continue this war. Let's defeat Putin. He is

1515
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 4: now engaging. This is like access of evil. I think

1516
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 4: that's what they assume. People interpreted as yes, yeah, whereas

1517
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 4: a lot of people look at there like you're kidding me.

1518
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 4: There's another nuclear power involved, Like stop, is so out

1519
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 4: of touch. The New York Times reported yesterday on a

1520
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,719
Speaker 4: general US general who's Air Force Major General pat Ryder.

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01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 4: The Pentagon's booksmen told Rapperts on Monday that the North

1522
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 4: Koreans had entered combat last week in Kursk, and they

1523
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 4: assessed that North Korean soldiers have engaged in combat and

1524
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 4: have indications they have separate casualties, both killed and wounded. Reportedly,

1525
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 4: I think they think it's around thirty casualties, something like

1526
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 4: that The New York Times, to something we talked about

1527
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 4: earlier in the show, said those claims could not be

1528
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 4: independently verify.

1529
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 5: Because they're burning their faces, Like, are you kidding me?

1530
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 5: And then look, if North Korea is sending troops to Russia, like,

1531
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 5: it's not as if I believe that North Korea has

1532
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 5: some like morality that would prevent it from allowing its

1533
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 5: special forces to become mercenaries for Russia. Sure, they'd be

1534
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 5: fine to do that, but we need a little evidence,

1535
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 5: and this like claims could not be corroborated. That's one

1536
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 5: thing when you go and say your claims could not

1537
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 5: be corroborated because Russia is destroying video evidence and burning

1538
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:55,560
Speaker 5: the faces of the Korean soldiers, That's what I'm like,

1539
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 5: Hold on a second, that makes no sense.

1540
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 4: I mean, in North Korea's mom isn't entirely surprising, but.

1541
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 5: It wouldn't be I mean, sure, like, but if they're

1542
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 5: not involved, we shouldn't say.

1543
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 4: That they are definitely not definitely mean.

1544
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 1: And look, maybe maybe I'm totally wrong.

1545
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 5: There's some and the and the US military is uh,

1546
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 5: you know, telling the truth for once, but we need

1547
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 5: we need some evidence and and the excuse for their

1548
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 5: not being evidence really cannot be that the Russians are

1549
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,520
Speaker 5: burning the faces of the people.

1550
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: Killed, which is in those words, how do you do what?

1551
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 5: Come on, how do you do that? They're all walking

1552
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 5: around with gas cans. I just find that and you

1553
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 5: still would have the rest of the person even if

1554
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 5: we burn their face.

1555
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 1: Oh, faces burned. You can't tell who this.

1556
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,759
Speaker 4: Is right or right, like uniforms and or other things.

1557
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe we're stupid as they think they are.

1558
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 1: You think they are, they think they are.

1559
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 4: Speaking of stupid people. This is a good transition to

1560
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 4: Justin Trudeau's smart. Dude, nailed it.

1561
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: He's smart. You can say what you want about Is

1562
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: you think he's smart? Oh yeah? When yeah, things kind

1563
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:15,759
Speaker 1: of a bimbo or something.

1564
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, you think he is like a sort of snowy

1565
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 4: Gavin Newsom.

1566
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah he's read books. He's read. I bet he's read books.

1567
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 4: He's read like gone girl.

1568
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 5: Oh, by the way, I do have to like I

1569
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 5: totally face planted during that interview that we did with

1570
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 5: Guy Stewart, the Syrian.

1571
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: Who went to fight in Syria.

1572
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 5: I was making fun of our audience for not reading

1573
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 5: and told everybody that they should go read. Ah, I

1574
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 5: thought I was saying for Whom the Bell Oh yeah,

1575
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 5: that was so I'm blaming guy since he's not here.

1576
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 5: So Guy was saying that there's this character in the

1577
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,600
Speaker 5: book that keeps talking about manyana, which is there's a

1578
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 5: similar phrase in Kurdish. That's from for Whom the Bell Tolls. Right,

1579
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 5: Obviously people say manyana in uh in George Orwell's book

1580
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 5: Homage to Catalonia, But it's much more of a thing

1581
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 5: in for Whom the Bell tollsa Manyana.

1582
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: Which is by Ernest Hemingway. It is a great book.

1583
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 5: Ah, but I've conflated al much to Catalonia and Ernest

1584
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 5: and and from the Bell Tolls while making fun of

1585
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 5: young people for not reading it is utterly embarrassing.

1586
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: So it's quite all right.

1587
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 4: I mean, none of us caught it. There's three of

1588
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 4: us here, and none of us caught it. The audience

1589
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 4: caught it right.

1590
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 5: Away, though of course they did well write audience, but

1591
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 5: actually they didn't catch that.

1592
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:38,759
Speaker 1: They're like, no, dude, that's by George Orwell.

1593
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 5: The actual own would have been, no dude, that's for

1594
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 5: whom the Bell tolls.

1595
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 4: That's the act.

1596
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 5: Because I said it was an American right who went

1597
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,839
Speaker 5: to fighting Spain. George Orwell is not an American.

1598
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 4: No, so you had that part right, Yeah, just a

1599
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 4: lot of jumbled you know. It's if people are easy

1600
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 4: to confuse, it's fair.

1601
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys tried to four hours of shows straight.

1602
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 4: Well, exactly, this is we're about to talk here about

1603
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 4: the German chancellor, Justin Trudeau.

1604
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: Exactly did you catch that one? Good one?

1605
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 4: So, not a good one at all, but Justin Trudeau

1606
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 4: has Justin Trudeau is facing very serious calls for his resignation,

1607
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 4: very serious calls for his resignation. We could put first

1608
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 4: element up on the screens from the BBC. His finance

1609
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 4: minister quit, resigned And this is as the BBC puts

1610
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 4: it in the headline, all coming amidst a quote spat

1611
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 4: over Trump threat, the Trump threat obviously being the tariffs,

1612
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 4: and his finance minister resigned, she said, because he's prioritizing

1613
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 4: political gimmicks, meaning he flew down to mar A Lago

1614
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 4: and sort of made nice with Donald Trump and then

1615
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,879
Speaker 4: the two have exchanged barbs ever since. Because Trudeau realized

1616
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 4: that his own party was furious about that. And so

1617
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 4: this is a significant threat to his party, significant threat

1618
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 4: to his leadership. Ryan, how do you think this is

1619
01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 4: going to shake out for Trudeau?

1620
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 5: I will say, to give Trump credit, it is funny

1621
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 5: when he calls him Governor Trudeau, oh, and calls the

1622
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 5: great State of Canada like that's good stuff. So he

1623
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 5: asked Christian Friedland to step down as Minister of Finance

1624
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 5: and take a different cabinet position. She said no, and

1625
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 5: then she timed her her vicious resignation letter for maximum

1626
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 5: political damage to him. Basically, what her argument is is

1627
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 5: that you know the game is on, like Trump is

1628
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 5: coming for us. This is an existential threat. It's twenty

1629
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 5: five percent tariff. Canada needs to be put aside all

1630
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 5: of our different differences and completely unite against Trump right now,

1631
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 5: the same way that they did say when they were

1632
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 5: renegotiating NAFTA that you know, we need to collectively fight

1633
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 5: for this because this is going to set our path.

1634
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 1: For you know, a generation or more.

1635
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 5: And she's saying we need to harbor as many of

1636
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 5: our resources and financial resources as we can in order

1637
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 5: to be ready for the trade war. That they believe

1638
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 5: that they should have to try to back Trump down

1639
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 5: from these tariffs, because like Trump's predicate here is kind

1640
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 5: of ridiculous. He's saying that he's going to slap these

1641
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 5: twenty five percent tariffs on Canada because it's it's borders insecure.

1642
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 1: Come on, it's not would.

1643
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 5: Seriously, you're you're like the Trump base really wants a

1644
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 5: wall all the way across the northern Canada, like northern

1645
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 5: US and southern Canada.

1646
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: Really that's what that's what we're gonna do.

1647
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 5: Come on, Also, if it's a state, if it's just

1648
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 5: another state and he's the governor, we don't have walls

1649
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 5: between our states, so that makes any sense.

1650
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 1: And so not yet.

1651
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 5: Freelan's argument was, look, we can win this if we

1652
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 5: stand up to him, because he's not really serious about US.

1653
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 1: He's he's he'd rather take on China and Europe and Mexico.

1654
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 4: He's willing to negotiate too.

1655
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 5: I mean, also, they need like we the USMC we

1656
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 5: need their wood. They're oil like like we need. There

1657
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 5: are imports from Canada maple syrup because it's not getting

1658
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 5: cold enough of Vermont. Uh, there are imports that we

1659
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 5: need from Canada. That putting a giant tariff on it's

1660
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 5: not gonna do anything for domestic manufacturing up New York.

1661
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 5: New England is making as much maple syrup as it can. Like,

1662
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 5: putting a tariff on Canadian maple syrup is just gonna

1663
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 5: let them charge us more.

1664
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest. I like the cheap maple syrup

1665
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,600
Speaker 4: that ourf K Junior is probably about to ban. I

1666
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 4: don't even know.

1667
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 1: One of my daughters like that. I'm like, we stop it, right, stuff,

1668
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 1: Come on?

1669
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 4: So the opposition reader's.

1670
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 5: Same with the timber and the like oil and natural resource.

1671
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 5: It's like, what's the point of a tariff on that?

1672
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 4: Well? But here's I actually think to your point about

1673
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 4: whether Trudeau is smart or stupid, I sort of think

1674
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 4: he's handling this in a smarter way than raging against

1675
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 4: Trump's quote economic nationalism, which is what really did in

1676
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 4: her resignation of that too.

1677
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,799
Speaker 1: Here, yeah, this is her. This is about her resigning, right.

1678
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 4: And I mean, there's Trump is the one thing. The

1679
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 4: one way that you don't get a deal with Donald

1680
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 4: Trump is by going full like elite, knocking him and

1681
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 4: treating him like he's dirt. All of that. It's like

1682
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,719
Speaker 4: a really bad way to get something in your country's

1683
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 4: interest from the incoming president. They can't prevent Donald Trump

1684
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 4: becoming the president of the United States. They have to

1685
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 4: work with Donald Trump. And we saw him negotiate a

1686
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 4: lot with AMLO, with USMCA, like they can get a

1687
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 4: good deal out of Donald Trump. And I think that's

1688
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 4: why Trudeau, to your point about maybe him being smart,

1689
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 4: maybe he is the winter Gavin Newsom flew down to

1690
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 4: mar A Lago and tried to actually work something out. Now,

1691
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 4: was it a little embarrassingly that's the right word. Sycophantic?

1692
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 4: Maybe it might have been. I'm sure that's what caused

1693
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 4: a lot of ripples in Canadian politics. Probably wasn't a

1694
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:58,560
Speaker 4: different way that he could have done it, although I

1695
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 4: don't know if Trump would have allowed it to be

1696
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 4: done a different way with that that photo op at

1697
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 4: the dinner table. But Donald Trump is the president. Like

1698
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 4: it's as simple as that. You have to work with

1699
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 4: the incoming president. And Trudeau's popularity according to BBC in

1700
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,799
Speaker 4: June of this year, it was at twenty eight percent.

1701
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 4: Twenty eight percent.

1702
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,719
Speaker 1: Canada is overstate, is welcome. I mean he's been there forever.

1703
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,759
Speaker 4: The vibes have shifted. There was a great piece recently

1704
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 4: about how Trudeau and Obama like the center left. As

1705
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 4: we were talking about Loui, we'll be talking about Schulzen McCrone.

1706
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 4: In this block. The center left had its moment where

1707
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 4: it was riding high and felt really good and it

1708
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 4: looked like Trudeau was the future and Trudeau would be

1709
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 4: like the uh. He was the setting the tone for

1710
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 4: the future of Canada and it was I think this

1711
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 4: was in a peace spot on Angela Merkel and her

1712
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 4: new book, and that has collapsed. That vision of the

1713
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 4: future is completely collapsed, and it's one that the sort

1714
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 4: of Davo set was really optimistic about because it meant

1715
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 4: they had control. And that moment has totally faded from

1716
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 4: West from politics, to say the very least. So his opposition,

1717
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 4: the opposition leader in this case, who's the last name.

1718
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 4: I can't say Pierre, I never can say it. But

1719
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 4: he is a very formidable opponent. He has a robust

1720
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 4: presence online, support from American Conservatives now goes viral a lot.

1721
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 5: But he hid like a barn Burner speech and whatever

1722
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 5: their Congress.

1723
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 4: Is, yeah whatever, it's well, there are states, so.

1724
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 1: They don't know their state legislature.

1725
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 4: He if you haven't seen the video of him like

1726
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 4: munching on an apple while just destroying a reporter. I

1727
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 4: highly recommend looking that one up. But he is his

1728
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 4: support from American conservatives, but more importantly, all of that

1729
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 4: stems from him just being very articulates. He makes his

1730
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 4: case really well. He's a good ambassador for his ideas.

1731
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 4: Canada's next federal election, according to BBC, must be held

1732
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,799
Speaker 4: in October, at the very latest he's calling for. Opposition

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Speaker 4: party is calling for earlier elections. Trudeau is facing calls

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Speaker 4: from his own party to resign. It is just a

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01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 4: complete mess. And maybe, as that political headline suggested, the

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01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 4: chaos is good for Canada because they need something other

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01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 4: than Trudeau.

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Speaker 5: And so if we can put up F three here,

1739
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 5: this is an interesting wrinkle here amid all this collapse,

1740
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 5: their their dollar is crashing. That has interesting implications for

1741
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 5: Trump's attempt to do a trade war. So when you're

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01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 5: when your dollar crashes, when or when your currency crashes,

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01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 5: then your exports are cheaper.

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Speaker 1: So that what this.

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Speaker 5: Means is Canadian products that get exported into let's say

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01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:39,799
Speaker 5: into the United States, we can buy them cheaper.

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Speaker 1: Trump then.

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01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 5: Has his tariffs kind of defect m So the goal

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01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 5: of a tariff is to basically raise the price of

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Speaker 5: something for domestic consumers, which then encourages domestic production of

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01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:58,679
Speaker 5: that thing. Like we said, when it comes to Canada,

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01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 5: some of that's ridiculous because maple syrup would et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But whatever.

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Speaker 5: But setting that aside, it just means that if your

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01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 5: currency collapses by twenty five percent and then then you

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01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 5: come in with a twenty five percent tariff, we actually

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01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 5: have to come in with now closer to like a

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Speaker 5: thirty five percent tariff because because of math.

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Speaker 1: In order just to get it back to where you

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Speaker 1: were originally.

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Speaker 5: So all the jaw bwoning between Trump and Trudeau, which

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01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 5: is driving down their dollar actually makes it then harder

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01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 5: for Trump to do what he's trying to do with

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01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:35,799
Speaker 5: his with his tariffs, because currently it's doing the reverse.

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Speaker 4: It's it's like a reverse tariff now over in Germany.

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Speaker 5: So we're subsidizing their exports right now and over it

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01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 5: through Trump's mouth.

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Speaker 4: In Germany, Chancellor Olaf Schultz has lost a bout of

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Speaker 4: confidence in the fallout from that is continuing as well

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Speaker 4: in the Parliament. So this really ryan to your point

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01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 4: about the center left. My Crone right now is struggling

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Speaker 4: with the center left coalition that he he cobbled together,

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01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 4: the weirdest coalition that we sort of covered a lot

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01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,560
Speaker 4: when it was happening, but in this case with Schultz,

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01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 4: kind of interesting. That's happening during Angola Merkel's book tour.

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Speaker 4: By the way, I think that's not great timing, or

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01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:13,679
Speaker 4: maybe it is great timing, but maybe it's gonna help

1778
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 4: her sell books. But as MPR report, Schultz's practice three

1779
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,799
Speaker 4: party coalition government collapsed in really November when the Chancellor

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01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 4: fired his finance minister. Sound familiar and in dispute over

1781
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 4: how to revitalize Germany's stagnant economy. Where does this go?

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Speaker 5: So yeah, and so this is heavily Ukraine related in

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01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 5: the sense that you know, he wanted to bust through.

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01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 1: You know, Germany loves its death as.

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01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 4: The Controls loves its Russian oil.

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01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: The love well, they love the Russian oil.

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01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 5: But yes, they they It's just the German culture just

1788
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 5: hates to spend beyond what it believes or its means.

1789
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 5: But he wanted to do so for the ongoing Ukraine War,

1790
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 5: and his his coalition collapsed basically as as a result

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Speaker 5: of that.

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Speaker 4: His coalition is with the Green Party too, though it.

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01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 5: Is interesting in the Greens have been very militaristic too.

1794
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 5: The reason that he has this bizarre coalition is that

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01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 5: the far right, the far far right party is picking

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01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 5: up now like fifteen twelve to fifteen percent of the

1797
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 5: parliament and nobody will form a coalition with the.

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01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: Far far right. Good for them.

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Speaker 5: Germany has a troubled history when it comes to the

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01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 5: far right, the far right, and so that leaves then

1801
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 5: less of the parliament to form a coalition. It makes

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01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,599
Speaker 5: it very hard for anybody to have a majority government

1803
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 5: that can actually do anything.

1804
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 1: And it's going to get especially interesting next time.

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01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 5: Because the AfD, the far right party, is expected to

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01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 5: grow to maybe twenty percent well.

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01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 4: And it's a vicious cycle because the less or the

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01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 4: more that you have right stagnant center left merely mounts.

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01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 1: They can't deliver any thing right.

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01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 4: The more exactly, the more powerful AfD gets, and the

1811
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 4: more fuel you're adding to the fire. So it's I mean,

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01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 4: they're in like the exact definition of a pickle right.

1813
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 5: And it looks like the far left might be able

1814
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 5: to barrel its way into the parliament too through people

1815
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 5: have probably been following her. Sarah wagonnecked, this like kind

1816
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 5: of firebrand leftist who wagen wagen necked whenever, this firebrand

1817
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 5: leftist who like East Germans, joined the Communist Party and

1818
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,759
Speaker 5: back in back when there was still an East East Germany.

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01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 1: She's like you, yeah, there you go, Bernie, except she.

1820
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 5: Has gone hardcore anti immigrants.

1821
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 4: Not uncommon in Europe, but she is.

1822
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:53,600
Speaker 5: But she's kept all the other left wing stuff but

1823
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 5: become like super German nativist. And it's a it's an

1824
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:01,639
Speaker 5: interesting test for that kind of politics, which are being

1825
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 5: upended now by Syria, by Syria, because so many Syrians

1826
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 5: are just like they're like, yeah, we literally you thought

1827
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,560
Speaker 5: we were lying, like we literally are refugees.

1828
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 1: We would rather be in Syria.

1829
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 5: Now that we can go back to Syria, We're going

1830
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 5: to go back to Syria.

1831
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 1: But a lot of them have been there ten years.

1832
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 5: Have built businesses and have built roots, and so the summer,

1833
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:31,720
Speaker 5: you know, significant number are going to stay. So it'll

1834
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 5: you know, if she barrels in with you know, ten

1835
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 5: to fifteen percent. AfD's got twenty percent, it's pretty you'd

1836
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 5: have to have basically every other every other party would

1837
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 5: have to team up together to form a government. But

1838
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 5: those parties don't agree with each other, so functionally, what

1839
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 5: do you do? Right, Well, I guess we'll find out.

1840
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 4: Donald Trump enters office once again at a very precarious

1841
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 4: time in geopolitical history.

1842
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're upscrewed. As Socger likes to say,

1843
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 1: Europe is just completely screwed.

1844
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:12,719
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, well, And that's why I think breaking points

1845
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 4: works is because it's a good example of how the

1846
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,640
Speaker 4: US may be a better position to not follow in

1847
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 4: the failed path of Europe, and that's failures.

1848
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:25,679
Speaker 5: On the left right, we really kind of the grass

1849
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 5: is always greener on the other side, and like over here,

1850
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 5: left end right. I think both kind of love the

1851
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:35,799
Speaker 5: parliamentary system because it allows you to vote your conscience

1852
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 5: and support Let's say, if you're on the right, you know,

1853
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 5: whichever flavor of right you like, you vote for them,

1854
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 5: and then they get a little piece of the parliament.

1855
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:48,280
Speaker 5: So it means you don't have to you know, if

1856
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 5: you're on the left and you don't but you don't

1857
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 5: like Joe Biden, you vote for the Bernie Party right,

1858
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 5: or you vote where there's some technocratic like left Warrant

1859
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 5: Party and there's and then there's the whatever Biden is.

1860
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 4: In AOC said in Europe she would never.

1861
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 1: Been the same papiness, and that's correct, she would not be.

1862
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:05,600
Speaker 5: We saw that play out this week, so we we

1863
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 5: kind of fine for that. On the other hand, it

1864
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 5: has its problems, a huge stagnant which we're seeing.

1865
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 4: I mean, we feel like we're stagnant. We can't pass

1866
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 4: anything through in Congress. But what gets worse is when

1867
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 4: you have the seesaw effect, you're changing a lot and

1868
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 4: nothing's really changing, Like policies just swing back and forth.

1869
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 5: We pass all our stuff in December of after elections.

1870
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:29,759
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, that's that's the way we do things,

1871
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:32,520
Speaker 4: so vot.

1872
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,440
Speaker 1: Voters don't get to say anymore. Yeah.

1873
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, Ryan, we're all we're all pulling for you

1874
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,679
Speaker 4: to close the loop on the beginning of the show,

1875
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 4: and I'm just amazed at and your family how are

1876
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 4: able to keep going and bring us to the news.

1877
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1878
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 5: Well, we'll look back on this. It will be a

1879
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 5: thing that happened. Absolutely, that's the that's the hope.

1880
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:54,680
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we will be back with one more show before

1881
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 4: the new year. Because Ryan booked a great guest, a

1882
01:36:58,040 --> 01:36:58,719
Speaker 4: huge guest.

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01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 5: Chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Greg Gasar, incoming chairman

1884
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:05,600
Speaker 5: from Austin.

1885
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 4: Texas, and we will that's a Friday show, So we're

1886
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:10,720
Speaker 4: gonna sit down with him for a good long conversation

1887
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 4: about a lot of what we discussed without having a

1888
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 4: member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus here to kind of

1889
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 4: talk about the future and UH tactics and strategy and

1890
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 4: recent news as well. So that'll be fascinating, Ryan, especially

1891
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 4: on the custom the government government shutdown by the way,

1892
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 4: so lots of talk about with Greg Asar. Tune in

1893
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 4: on Friday for that Breaking Points dot Com. If you

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01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:32,280
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Speaker 4: the holiday break with more Counterpoints see then. Yeah,