1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, It's Josh here and for this week's s 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Y s K Selects, I've chosen our episode on schizophrenia. UM. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: First of all, please excuse the rampant use of the 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: word schizophrenic. We know better now, UM, and delight in 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: a clip of Wesley Willis's rock and roll McDonald's. If 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: you've never heard of Wesley Willis, co check him out, UM, 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: as I clearly want you to do throughout this episode. 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: And UM. Also note that there is a rare corrections 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: rather than listener mail correction segment that apparently just didn't 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: take off, probably because we would have just ended up 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: doing nothing but corrections for episodes at any rate. I 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy this one. It's a good one. Welcome 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: to Stuff you should know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 14 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: as always Charles W. Chucker's Chuck Chuck Tran Chuck a 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: luck Right? How you doing? I'm great. I'm going to 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: see Bob Dylan tonight. People are gonna be like, I 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: mean times, is Bob Dylan playing Atlanta? Have you ever 19 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: seen David Bowie? It's good I have not. Um, Yes, 20 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: you are, Chuck. I know you're very excited. I am. 21 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: I've seen him a few times, but it's always good. 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: Really yeah, too short though he buzzes through like fifteen songs. 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: He's out of there. Is he short? Oh? Well, he's 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: also short? But yea is he really? I was just kidding. No, 25 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: he's short. I guess those um Bell bottomed long pants 26 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: that he wore in the sixties on his album Like 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: Bottoms made him look kind of tall. Yeah. Um, alright, 28 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: so enough about Bob Dylan for the second time. I'm 29 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: not a big Dylan fan myself. It Um, let's talk 30 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: about schizophrenia instead. Okay. So I was looking for an 31 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: intro for this, and I mean there's plenty of stuff, 32 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: but it's all like pretty, you know, research heavy Astra 33 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: Zeneca was marketing Sarah quil off label and just settled. Um, 34 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: let's see what else Jared Lofner as being medicated against 35 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: as well. The guy who shot Gabrielle Gifford's Okay, really, yes, 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: he's he's been diagnosed as schizophrenic. Um. Finally uh and 37 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: then um, there was a homeless man in Los Angeles 38 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: who was beaten to death by the police yesterday or today. Um, 39 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: and all of this is kind of I realized like 40 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: there wasn't any one thing that I was like, well, 41 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: here's the intro. But I realized like all of it 42 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: together gives a pretty good overview of you know, schizophrenia 43 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,839 Speaker 1: as it stands right now, which is it's misunderstood, it's 44 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: heavily prescribed, underfunded, and um. Yeah, and there's a lot 45 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 1: of people out there who aren't necessarily getting help who 46 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: need it. Yeah. In fact, I got a stat if 47 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: you want to go ahead and go there. You got 48 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of stats you said for this, right I do. Um, 49 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: if you want to talk about people getting help and 50 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: and or needing help and not getting it. Uh, six 51 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: percent of six schizophrenics are homeless. Yeah, six percent are 52 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: in jail or prison, ten percent in nursing homes with 53 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: a family member or independently living supervise housing. So and 54 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: and it makes sense, Chuck to that these makes sense 55 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: because first of all, you have all of this crazy 56 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: stuff going on to you. That's your reality. So you're 57 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: having trouble dealing with reality as it stands. Um. It's secondly, 58 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: a lot of times schizophrenia comes on, Um, during times 59 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: when you learn how to hold down a job or 60 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: take care of yourself or do whatever. So you might 61 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: never learn how to do this because you're dealing with 62 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: your schizophrenia. Here's the shocking one. Okay, at any given moment, 63 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: there are more people with untreated severe psychiatric illnesses living 64 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: on the streets than there are receiving care. Well, they 65 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: outweigh that people that are actually getting help. That's that 66 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: is shocking, but not surprising. Somehow agreed. Wow, so you said, 67 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: what was that last one? Severe psychiatric illnesses? That's an 68 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: umbrella term. Obviously that schizophrenia falls in under that for sure, 69 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: But prior to the beginning of the twentieth century, it 70 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: was pretty much thought of as generalized illness, like the 71 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: mental illness was mental illness, and maybe there is a symptom, 72 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: your symptoms were different, but really you're mentally ill, which 73 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: was a huge step up from the spirit possession that 74 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: had you know, it had previously been ascribed to or 75 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: millions of years. Yeah, um, so it was. It's a 76 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: fairly recently classified mental illness. It wasn't until that. Um. 77 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: A German psychiatrist name Emil Crapelin classified schizophrenia as a 78 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: mental illness, and uh, he missed classified it as a 79 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: form of dementia early and early type of dementia. And 80 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: then in nineteen eleven a Swiss psychiatrist named Yugen Bleuler 81 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: came up with the name schizophrenia. That's right, Josh, and 82 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: he uh got that word from the Greek words for 83 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: split and mind, which contribute somewhat to the misconception that 84 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: it is a split personality disorder. But what he meant 85 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: was there's a disconnect with reality, right, the mind splits 86 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: from reality, which today we still that's how you still 87 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: perceive um schizophrenia, but rather than split, we use the 88 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: word break. There's a psychotic break. Yeah, and we should 89 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: go ahead and just uh, since that is a common misconception, 90 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: it is entirely different than split personality disorder, which they 91 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: call disassociative identity disorder. Now, and if you know the 92 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: movie the show United States of Terra, have you seen that? No, 93 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about though, with Tony let 94 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: she is has split personality disorder on that show. And 95 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: that's the one that you've always seen in the movies 96 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: where you have multiple personalities and they don't know about 97 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: each other, and one dominates the other. And uh, and 98 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: then what all about Eve was about? I never saw 99 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: that sybil civil Yeah for sure, but it's not schizophrenia. 100 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: That they have done nothing to do with each other 101 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: other than they're both types of mental illness, and um, 102 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: Hollywood is fascinated by them, that's right. Um. So yeah, well, 103 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: and that's that's a pretty good example, like of medicines 104 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: is starting to get ahold of what schizophrenia is, what 105 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: mental illnesses you know, in general, and then the public 106 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: at large still just being completely under educated about it. Um, 107 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: so let's educate people about it. Yeah. I want to 108 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: say too that this is like a lot of conditions 109 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: UM and disorders that developed later in life. To me, 110 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: that's this one of the ski areous things that can happen, 111 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: like your cruising along at years old and you think, 112 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: like you know, I'm all good, and you can develop 113 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: schizophrenia like a boom in a matter of weeks. Sometimes. Yeah, 114 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: it can either come on gradually or very suddenly in 115 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: an acute manner. Um And like you said, later in 116 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: life with men, schizophrenia usually develops UM in the late 117 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: teens or early twenties is when it starts UM or 118 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: in women, it's the mid twenties or the early thirties. 119 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, by the time, by the time I was thirty, 120 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: I certainly didn't think I was going to become mentally ill. No, 121 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: you thought, I know my demons. You can write them 122 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: down in a list. I can quit them anytime I want. 123 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: And that's what they are, their self imposed demons, right, 124 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: this this is it wasn't something that was beyond my 125 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: control that happened to my mind. And yeah, that's how 126 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: schizophrenia hit you hit you later in life, and it 127 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: can happen all at once or gradually. And this is 128 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: not to scare the crap out of you if you're 129 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: in your teens or twenties, because there's only about a 130 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: one percent chance schizophrenia. It depends if if you're part 131 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: of the general population, there's a one percent chance. But 132 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: as we'll see that there are risk factors that increase 133 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: your chances of having schizophrenia. And no, we're not trying 134 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: to scare you. But then I guess kind of the 135 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: newest forms of treatment or newest thoughts about treating schizophrenia 136 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: is to make people aware of it, uh so that 137 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: they will be able to recognize it early on, and 138 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: apparently early treatment leads to a better success rate. I 139 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: think we'll talk about that across the board. But chuck, um, 140 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: there's two kinds of symptoms of schizophrenia and they're positive 141 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: and negative. And it's not like positive symptom means you 142 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: hallucinate bunnies, where negative symptom means you hallucinate like a 143 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: hell demon. Instead, positive symptom is like an exaggeration of 144 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: normal behavior. So like I see you, I hear things, 145 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: but I don't see you with horns, and I don't 146 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: hear Kermit here talking to me. Right, Um, So a 147 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: positive symptom is an exaggerated behavior. Negative symptom is the 148 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: absence of normal behavior, like you lack affect or the 149 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: ability to experience any emotion um or you you basically 150 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: are just generally apathetic, right and so it so those 151 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: are that's positive symptoms and negative symptoms. Yes, and uh, 152 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: certain negative symptoms are cognitive that deal a lot with 153 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: attention span and memory. Um, lack of memory an ability 154 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: to like plan anything or organize anything. Right. And then 155 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: another form of negative I should say, is called evolition. Um. 156 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: It's basically I think crippler the guy who first classified schizophrenia, 157 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: call it the annihilation of the will, where you're just 158 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: so withdrawn you can't. You no longer engage in gold 159 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: directive behavior, from brushing your teeth to paying your bills 160 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: to doing anything. You just totally withdrawn. So that's that's 161 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: that's not the form of schizophrenia you usually hear about, 162 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: but apparently it's fairly common. Yeah, so get diagnosed. Uh, Josh, 163 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: you have to um, exhibit a certain number of these 164 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: symptoms over at least six months without stopping. Right. Yeah, um, 165 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: if you have uh, is it schizophrenic form? Is like 166 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: a shorter it's schizophrenia, but it lasts less than six months. Yeah, 167 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: that's schizophrenic form. Good point. But if you according to 168 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: the d s M, and we should say like this 169 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: is you know, it's based on clinical observations or whatever, 170 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: but this is the d s M saying six months, 171 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: it may be you may have schizophrenia and you just 172 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: haven't reached the six months you know period yet, but 173 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: you're still schizophrenic. But to be diagnosed by a psychiatrist 174 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: or a psychologist who's a member of the a p A, 175 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: you have to have X number of symptoms for six 176 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: months or more. Yeah, and they have to do that 177 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: because it's like the same as the cops when they say, 178 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: you can't find a missing person's report unless they've been 179 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: gone for twenty four hours. And it's not like that, 180 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: but it's sort of like that. Now there's like a law, 181 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: I think in Michigan called Kaylee's Law or something that 182 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: they're introducing where if you're a parent and you don't 183 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: report your kid missing after twenty four hours is a felony. Really, 184 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: what kind of parent wouldn't do that? The parent that 185 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony, Yeah, made the kid go away allegedly alleged. 186 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: Not In general. Uh, schizophrenia apparently, as how it's pronounced, 187 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: can take a few forms. Uh. One you've probably heard 188 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: about most is paranoid schizophrenia, which is when you have 189 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: the full on delusions and hallucinations and uh, then there's 190 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: disorganized that is disorganized thinking. Uh, your behavior is probably incoherent. 191 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: It's also called hypophrenic. Really and you you probably don't 192 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: exhibit a lot of emotion. Yeah. Well, usually like there's 193 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: a negative simp them coupled with um disorganized behavior, so 194 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: it's almost like two separate things. I think you can 195 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: be hypophrenic without being negative. There's catatonic um that means 196 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: you move around and talk excessively. Um. Yeah, that was 197 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: a surprise to me. I always thought, you know, catatonic 198 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: state where you're just like's not a thing too. But 199 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: it also says they may become still an uncommunicat so 200 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: it can be one or the other. Yeah, but I 201 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: guess it has to do with motion or movement or 202 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: lack of. It's catatonic. Undifferentiated means that it's just sort 203 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: of the umbrella term for when you have a mix 204 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: of symptoms and they don't want to classify you as 205 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: one specific kind. And then residual is if you have 206 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: a history um of schizophrenia but you have a long, 207 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: extended period of time with no negative I'm sorry, with 208 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: negative but no positive symptoms, they'll classify you as residual, 209 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: which you know, I guess that's better than paranoid schizophrenia 210 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: in a way. I don't think any form of schizophrenia 211 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: is right. It would that would be it would be horrible. 212 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: This is a horrible disease. That's like the curb your enthusiasm. 213 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: When Larry asked if that some one had Good Hodgkins 214 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: from the Party of five episode is what he was 215 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: referencing when Charlie got sick. He had quote unquote good 216 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: Hodgkins and they were like, they were so offended. There 217 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: there's no good Hodgens. He's like, yeah, but one's better 218 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: than the other, right, And they were just like, you're 219 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: such a jerky never seen anything like that, Yeah, pretty much. Uh. 220 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: And then we mentioned schizophrenic form, which is an abbreviated 221 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: version of schizophrenia, and then this one has to be 222 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: just horrible schizo effective disorder. It's any kind of schizophrenia 223 00:13:47,400 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: couple with the mood disorder like depression. All right, so um, 224 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: we should probably say there's delusions and there's hallucinations, uh, 225 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: mixed in together often with schizophrenic symptoms, and they're often confused. 226 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: But a delusion is a false belief and and hallucination 227 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: is a false sensation like Hey, I'm Jesus Christ. That 228 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: would be a delusion, or hey there's Jesus Christ on 229 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: top of that subway car, that would be a hallucination. Yeah, 230 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: and you can extend that to anything. It doesn't have 231 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: to be Jesus or a subway car. Um. But the 232 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: there's just studying hallucinations and delusions are really really interesting 233 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: in my opinion. Um, the most common hallucination is auditory 234 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: among schizophrenics, and the most common auditory hallucination is our voices. Yeah, 235 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: they hear voices that can come from anywhere from this kermit, 236 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: the frog could start talking to me, or it could 237 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: come from thin air, or it could come from the 238 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: electrical outlet in the wall. Um and uh, the voices say. 239 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: Usually it's like one word, a couple of words, there's 240 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: an implication of word. Sometimes it's indistinct mumbling. Um. On occasion, 241 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: very rare occasions, will the voice like ramble on coherently 242 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: where the patient understands, like long sentences, but um that 243 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: they also maybe commenting on what the person is doing 244 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: is very um common. Yeah, Usually it's um, not a 245 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: voice that they recognize, although that can happen as well. 246 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah right, Uh. And then sometimes there's more than one 247 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: voice and even more disconcerting, lee, the voices will argue 248 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: about the patient, which that's wow, Well those I mean, 249 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: there's a guy on Martha that I see that and 250 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people that you see that are walking 251 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: down the streets screaming out out loud. They there's probably 252 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: a pretty good chance that they might be paranoid schizophrenics, 253 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: and they are yelling at the voice in their head. 254 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: That reminds me of the stand up that I saw 255 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: when I was a kid in the eighties. Uh. This 256 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: guy was like this. This comedian said he was walking 257 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: down the street and he walked past this guy was 258 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: talking to himself and it's just mumbling, sounded so angry, 259 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: and the comedian goes and I thought, man, that guy 260 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: is really crazy. He's talking to himself. And then I thought, wait, 261 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: who am I talking to? Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah, 262 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: I talked to myself all day long. I have arguments 263 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: in my head. But of course it's not the same thing. No, um, no, 264 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: you don't have two voices arguing over what you're doing 265 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: at that moment and what's best for you or whether 266 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: you should hurt somebody or hurt yourself. Not making light 267 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: of that. Uh. And the reason that a percentage of 268 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: frightening percentage of schizophrenics kill themselves is a lot of 269 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: times because the voice in their head may command them 270 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: to do so. Right there, there, there's such a thing 271 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: as um commanding hallucinations. Which is sometimes they could be 272 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: suggestive like, um, maybe we should go outside for a while, 273 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: or they could be like go outside, you know. And 274 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: it's not always scary, like they just point out. Sometimes 275 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: it's uh, hey you need to shave again, right, and 276 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: you'll go shave again. Yeah, it can be innocuous, but 277 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: it can it can lead to violence, or it can 278 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,479 Speaker 1: urge violence. Apparently the vast majority of people who suffer 279 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: uh dangerous command hallucinations are able to suppress them. But 280 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: it's a struggle and you know this is going on 281 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: in this person's head. Yeah, and rarely. And I wondered 282 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: about this too before I got to that point in 283 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: the article that you sent me early. Do you hear 284 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: like a really great things, like you're doing great today 285 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: and you should go and smell it. You know. It's 286 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: interesting that it usually takes a dark turn and they 287 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: don't know why. No, they don't. Um. There's also hallucinations 288 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: of touch haptic hallucinations, which sound pretty awful. Um, things 289 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: are crawling on you, things are inside of you trying 290 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: to get out. Your bowels are shriveling. Um, you're being 291 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: jolted by electricity is a very common one. And then 292 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: delusions obviously, or any like any false belief. There's some 293 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: that like you are Jesus Christ. That's a delusion, right, um. 294 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: But there's there was one subcategory that caught my attention 295 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: that I wasn't aware of. It's called delusion of reference. Yeah, 296 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: tell me about that. Well. It's basically like every single 297 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: thing that goes on in life is full of meaning. Right. So, 298 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: like in this Brown University sheet I sent you, there's 299 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: a like a waiter leaving a chroma on the table. 300 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: That's purposeful. It's an insult to the patient, like the 301 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: the busboy or the waiter did that on purpose as 302 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: an insult or Um. The street lights coming on all 303 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it is a signal for everybody to 304 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: swarm on you and finally take you away or kill 305 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: you or whatever. Like everything in life has meaning and 306 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: it's making you. It's it's fueling this paranoia. Your mind 307 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: is turning against you. It's pretty awful. We said, it's awful. Yeah, okay, yes, 308 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: it is quite awful. Um, But people live with this. Yeah. 309 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: I mean we painted a dark picture because it is 310 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: a dark disorder, but the majority of people in fact 311 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: stet time. Uh after ten years. If you want to know, 312 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: after ten years of diagnosis with schizophrenia completely recover are 313 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: much improved and relatively independent. And percent are improved but 314 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: require a pretty extensive support network. So that's of people 315 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 1: after diagnosis after a decade, are are dealing with it 316 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: fairly well. Um, that's it's very hopeful. That's not bad. 317 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: Are unimproved. Ten percent, unfortunately, are dead, probably by suicide. Yeah, well, 318 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: ten percent at least of UM schizophrenics commit suicide, which 319 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: is incredibly high because in the general population of the 320 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: United States, point zero one percent of people commit suicide 321 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: to point zero one percent. Yeah, and that's people who 322 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: are successful. They think it could be attempts could be 323 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: as high as f people that try to kill themselves. 324 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: Just uh, I mean imagine sometimes the voices say to 325 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: do it, and sometimes it's just a fine piece. Yeah. 326 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: I was wondering what the breakdown between those two is. UM. 327 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: And then violence is often attendant with schizophrenics, at least 328 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: in the public mind, right, but you're dangerous. Apparently studies 329 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: have shown I remember reading about this when we talked 330 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: about latent inhibition. Um that if you are typically violent 331 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: when these uh, when the symptoms set when you're like 332 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: early twenties or whatever. Um, you're going to possibly be 333 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: a violent schizophrenic. If you're not a very violent person, 334 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: you're it's just not part of your personality before the 335 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: symptoms set in. Then you're not going to be a 336 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: violence schizophrenic unless you abuse drugs or alcohol, which apparently 337 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: vastly increases the chances that you may be a violence schizophrenic. Yeah, 338 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: and even then, I think the violence is generally either 339 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: self inflicted or it takes place inside the home, like 340 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: against your family, which is not good. But the point is, 341 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: if you're walking down the street and sadly you see 342 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: the homeless man screaming out loud, you don't necessarily need 343 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: to be afraid that he's about to, you know, attack 344 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: you in a violent manner. Right, that's probably not going 345 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: to happen, Chuck. Let's say you do want to talk 346 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: to that schizophrenic homeless man over there, but you don't 347 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: want to make things worse for him, right, But you 348 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: don't want to ignore him. He's another human being. Um. 349 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: The National Institutes of Mental Health have UM suggestions I 350 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: guess for talking to schizophrenics and specifically with their families 351 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: who have to deal with delusions and hallucinations all the time, 352 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: specifically delusions. Um, apparently you don't. You don't contest what 353 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: they're saying. Yeah, you don't want to say you're not 354 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ what you're talking about. Yeah, you don't. Definitely 355 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: don't know. You say, um, I respect your right to 356 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: believe different things, and I hope you'll respect my right 357 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: to believe different things. But I I, you know, politely disagree. 358 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: And what you also don't want to do is agree 359 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: and say I know, honey, you are Jesus. Right, You're okay, 360 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: you're Jesus and it's fine. Yes. A lot of people 361 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: probably take that tack in the family, you know, well, yeah, first, 362 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: I mean, at the very least, because it's it's just 363 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: easier after a while, it's like yes, yes, or you 364 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: get so frustrated you're like no, you're not, and you 365 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: want to shake the person. Um. But yeah, apparently, And 366 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: I wonder how hard it is to say, well, I 367 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: respectfully disagree with you. Yeah. I bet it's hard, you know, 368 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: and if it, if it does go over as well 369 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: as as it seems like it that it suggested it should, right, 370 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: you know, all right, Josh, I think this was really interesting, 371 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: the recovery in the Third World part. Yeah, Apparently the 372 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: World Health Organization did a study in the nineteen sixties 373 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: and uh I found that the recovery rate for schizophrenia 374 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: and developing nations is higher by a full third than 375 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 1: it is in the industrialized world. And then they did 376 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: a follow up study even to correct possible selection biases, 377 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: and they confirmed the original all finding, and I thought 378 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: that was really interesting. And they There's a lot of hypotheses, 379 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: but one of them is that a there might not 380 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: be a stigma like in the industrialized world, and they're 381 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: just more readily accepted. And the other is that they 382 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: might be able to have a job that they can 383 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: do successfully. And here in the West, farming or digging, 384 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, digging the trench for the farm or whatever. 385 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: Here in the West were very competitive. Yeah, it's hard 386 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: to get a job that a schizophrenic can maybe successfully complete, right, 387 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: And I mean, the rest of us are paranoid enough 388 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: as it is about losing our jobs. If you are 389 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: clinically paranoid schizophrenic, then it's probably going to be very 390 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: difficult to keep your job true or do it in 391 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: a way that will help you keep your job. That's 392 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: very true. But Josh, there have been some successful stories 393 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: of people that are afflicted with schizophrenia. Well, some some 394 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: more successful and some Sid Barrett was successful, but I 395 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: don't know if you call him a success story. Was 396 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: up in a mental institution for the rest of his life. Yeah, 397 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: said Barrett, founding member of Pink Floyd schizophrenic, and they 398 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: believe that massive amounts of drugs that he used made 399 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: it worse, way worse. John, he is he is the 400 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: crazy Diamond. Yeah, shine on you, Crazy Diamond. I love 401 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: that song. That's a good one. All four parts of it, right, 402 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: and they're like part I think up to part four, 403 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: is it? Yeah? Yeah, John Nash, Yeah, from the movie 404 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: A Beautiful Mind, the Ron Howard film with Russell Crowe 405 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: as John Nash, the Nobel winner to figure out that 406 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: cable companies would do better if they cooperated with one another. 407 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: That's right, And that movie did a lot for putting 408 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: this on the map in a compassionate way, you know. 409 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: And Jack Caro whact did you know that one? That 410 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: one's debatable. Okay. He was in the Navy and they 411 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: discharged him honorably after I think like a little less 412 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: than a year and and the report they said he 413 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 1: had schizoid tendencies. But um, other people have said that 414 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: he faked that stuff to get out of the navy, 415 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: uh and just wanted to not take orders and drink 416 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: himself to death, which is what he did. And Pop 417 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: Benny's do you know how he died? No, he woke 418 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: up and was just like coughing blood and bleeding from 419 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: his mouth and basically was like, I gotta go the hospital. 420 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: Took him to the hospital and he was his liver 421 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: was so shot that his blood wooden clot and they 422 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: just were giving him transfusion one after the other and 423 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,959 Speaker 1: he just basically bled to death. Holy cow from drinking 424 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: Holy cow. And he was drinking at the time. He 425 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: was drinking whiskey and uh like whiskey and malt liquor. 426 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: When he started blood started coming out of his mouth. 427 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: I wonder how it tastes. Would you shake or stir that? 428 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: And I don't think he mixed him. I think he 429 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: was like whiskey with a beer back in a garness 430 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: with a drop of blood. So, kids, there's a lesson 431 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: for you there. Here. There's one more person who is 432 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: indisputably schizophrenic or was His name is Wesley Willis. Who's that? 433 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: He is a musician who had such songs as well. Really, 434 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: the only title I can say is rock and roll McDonald's. 435 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: I don't I've never heard of him. You you have 436 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: had to have heard of Wesley Willis. Okay, let me 437 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: play you a little Wesley Willis right here. McDonald's is 438 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: a place to rock. It is a restaurant where they 439 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: buy food, beat. It is a good place to listen 440 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: to the music. People flock here to get down to 441 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: the rock music. Rocky romcdono, Rocky ro mcdono, brocka romdono, 442 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 1: rocky roommate, donle so Chuck. That's Wesley will Okay, Okay, 443 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: And um, he was very much schizophrenic. Um he wrote 444 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: about it a lot, He talked about it a lot 445 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: of his songs. And um, he said he'd just be 446 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: going along, having a nice time riding the bus. I 447 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: believe he lived in Chicago, and then all of a sudden, 448 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: his um, his hell demons would take him on one 449 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: of his torture hell rides, which meant he was going 450 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: on a little bit of an exacerbation of his schizophrenia symptoms. 451 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: But he's a great, great guy, great music, very prolific 452 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: and uh, if you liked that, you should go watch 453 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: Daddy of Rock and Roll as a documentary. But yeah, 454 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: it's really good. I'll check that out. Yeah, Lionel Aldridge 455 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: is a last name on our list. And he was 456 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: a Green Bay packer and he was homeless unfortunately after 457 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: he was diagnosed for a while and then later was 458 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: able to climb out from that wreckage and go around 459 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: and talk about mental illness. And he was he was 460 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: playing in the sixties, the seventies. I think it was 461 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: late sixties or seventies. So think about it. Man, that's 462 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: a big deal to go around and talk publicly about 463 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: mental illness at that time, and it still is now, 464 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: but I mean, like back then, that's hats off to him. Yeah, 465 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: he was the guy that I included in the presentation 466 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: that you did by yourself. Okay that you're like, he 467 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: was this guy? Yeah, all right, I understand now. Yeah, 468 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: it's all coming together. So chuck, um, what causes this? Well, uh, 469 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: it seems like there are environmental factors and there are 470 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: genetic factors. Um. They have isolated what they believe are 471 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: some genes, the d I, s C one, the disbanden, 472 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: the neuragoulin, and the G seven two genes, and they 473 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: think there might be up to a dozen more genes 474 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: that could impact this. Okay, So the basis of that 475 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: is that they can't just look at your genes and 476 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: say you're you're going to be schizophrenic. It's possible that 477 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: it's because we just haven't isolated all the genes and 478 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: don't know the right combination yet, or it's possible that 479 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: it's from other causes, one of which one of the 480 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 1: theories that's out there right now is that it's the 481 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: result of an in utero exposure to either a flu 482 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: or the dread toxoplasmosis. Remember toxoplasmosis that hijacks rats brains, 483 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: that's found in cat urine. That's why if you have 484 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: a cat and you're pregnant, you don't be clean enough 485 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: that litter box, right, um, And they think that one 486 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 1: of the reasons, well, I guess one of the evident 487 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: pieces of evidence that supports this is called the birth 488 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: month effect. And the birth month effect is um, if 489 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: you were born in winter months or early spring months, 490 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: you are at a higher risk for mean schizophrenics in life, 491 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: and they think that those are flu months UM. And 492 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: another aspect of it is apparently the brains of schizophrenics 493 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: show inflamed white blood cells, which is a sign of 494 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: an infection. And they think that possibly all of us 495 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: are carrying around a retrovirus encoded in our genes that 496 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: lies dormant like ms that under the right circumstances like 497 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: early exposure between infection um can trigger its release or 498 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: trigger its activation and it takes eighteen to twenty to 499 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: thirty years to come on. Now you see why people 500 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: that are pregnant are worried a lot. It's amazing that 501 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: like we've gotten anywhere. Yeah, so what else? Uh well, 502 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: they did do have some new findings. I got this today, 503 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: um from the internets. They have a new South Wales 504 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: study from Thomas which kert He has identified the brain 505 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: mechanism that derails decision making in people. So basically the 506 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: part of the brain is called the ventral stratium I'm sorry, 507 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: stry Adam, and it lights up you know, they put 508 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: people in the m all right, lights up when in 509 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: response to rewards and healthy people and it's linked to 510 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: your decision making. But completely unresponsive among schizophrenics. So they 511 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: don't uh, they don't know the difference between expected and 512 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: unexpected rewards, and so they don't have the opportunity to 513 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: make a good decision to begin with. And that, you know, 514 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: it's a it's a nice finding. It doesn't get us 515 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: any closer. Well, maybe it does, you never know. They say, 516 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: with proper funding that they predicted they could have a 517 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: cure for this. Well, yeah, but they don't get proper funding. 518 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: But they're UM. They're looking into stem cells, right, they're 519 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: looking into UM figuring out if it is an infection 520 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: and if so like adding that UM. And we've also 521 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: long had antipsychotics. One of the things, strangely enough, that 522 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: helped developed anti psychotics, or better antipsychotics UM is PCP. 523 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: Apparently researchers figured out that UM phenyl cycladine UM or 524 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: fencycladin PCP, the drug angel dust UM, produced such similar 525 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: symptoms to schizophrenia that they started investigating and found that 526 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: it had to do with UM the neurotransmitter glutamate, right, right, 527 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: domine right, Yes, well it has to do with both. 528 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: But the emphasis before on anti psychotics was strictly dopamine 529 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,479 Speaker 1: and all it all it did was keep dopamine in 530 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: the synapse is longer by blocking its reuptake by receptors. 531 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: That's what antipsychotics do. And then in the eighties, after 532 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: the PCP stuff, UM, they figured out that there was 533 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: glutamate was involved and they came up with a typical antipsychotics, 534 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: and these focus somewhat on dopamine, but more on things 535 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: like glutamate and it's re up to ache and uh. 536 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: These things have produced better results with fewer side effects, 537 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: so um, they're they're figuring out how to treat it. 538 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: The problem is that there's all sorts of side effects 539 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: even even with atypical UM antipsychotics, like weight gain, drowsiness, servishness, nervousness, 540 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: muscle spasms, yeah allum. Bulging eyes apparently is one, and 541 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: I guess most of the stuff can be treated by 542 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: lowering the dosage, but they're they're bothersome enough that a 543 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: lot of people just go off their meds, and you 544 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: know that doesn't help ect. Electro Convulsive therapy is another 545 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: thing that they still do. It's not something a relic 546 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: from the fifties. It's changed a lot, and how they 547 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: do it and they're not sure still how it exactly works. 548 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: They stopped using car batteries, but about a hundred thousand 549 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: Americans each year still receive e c T, So that 550 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: is an option. And obviously the group therapy and family 551 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: therapy help just the dealing with it aspect of the family. Yes, 552 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: so we encourage you to seek help as soon as possible. Yeah, 553 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: And apparently families can help in very little ways. They're 554 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: encouraged to UM set small goals. Apparently, if especially if 555 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: you UM have lost your drive or your will as 556 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: a result of your schizophrenia, or you're disorganized, it can 557 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 1: just be compounded by all the you know, like when 558 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: your life is disorganized, it seems just completely unwieldy, Like 559 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: where do I start right now? If if that's a 560 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: symptom of your schizophrenia, it's it's just that much worse. 561 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: So if you can help a schizophrenic get back on 562 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: track by setting small goals and building up their confidence again, 563 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: apparently that has a measurable effect in their recovery UM 564 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: and then the like the one of the leading edges 565 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: of UM schizophrenia treatment right now is based on the 566 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: this thing called the per drome, which is the period 567 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: between on set of symptoms where you think maybe I 568 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: am Jesus Christ and the time when that seems like 569 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: your reality. So it's this point where you're starting to 570 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: have the ideas, but they still seem bizarre or weird 571 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: or why am I having these ideas? So if you 572 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: apparently seek out treatment for schizophrenia when you start to 573 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: have these ideas, um in the prodrome, the success rate 574 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: of treatment is through the roof. Like, Yes, this British 575 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: doctor in the late eighties set up shop in these 576 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: two towns outside of London and he's set to work 577 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: finding every potential early case of schizophrenia he could and 578 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: he started treating people with therapy and low doses of 579 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: anti psychotics and in four years those two towns had 580 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: a tenth of the prevalence of schizophrenia than the rest 581 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: of the country. Yeah, so apparently, like this pro drome research, 582 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: there's like clinics that are opening up and like entire 583 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,240 Speaker 1: like departments in universities are dedicated to this per drome 584 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: period where you can be like, come, come back, come, 585 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: this is reality. Yeah, and they're successful or they have 586 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: been so far. Well, Josh, I got one more stat 587 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: if you live in a city of three million people, 588 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: then over twenty one thousand people in your city are 589 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: suffering from schizophrenia. So well keep that in mind. Yes, 590 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: don't make fun of people. Don't obviously get scared or 591 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: violent and in a reactive way. I don't know that. 592 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, like, you should go over and talk 593 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: to them, like you might want to just be compassionate 594 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: and uh and hopefully they're getting help, you know what 595 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yes, go to schizophrenia dot com. You can 596 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: find all kinds of good information. And if you hadn't 597 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: already checked out Wesley Willis, check him out. He was 598 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: a great guy. Check out The Daddy or Rock and 599 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: Roll and um, also, I would say, in addition to 600 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: how schizophrenia works, UM required reading for this one is 601 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: an article called Which Way Madness Lies? By Rachel Lviv. 602 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: It was in the December issue of Harper's And I 603 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: have a link. I'll I'll tweet it. I'll tweet the 604 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: link out with that. It sounds great. If you want 605 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: more about schizophrenia, UM, there's plenty of it. There's an 606 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: article and then some on the site. Just type schizophrenia, 607 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,720 Speaker 1: which again means split mind. That's right into the search 608 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: bar at how stuff works dot com and that brings 609 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: up what chuck listener? Now, yes, Josh specifically corrections. Oh wow, 610 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: I forgot about those. Yeah. Well, well we'll correct ourselves 611 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,479 Speaker 1: on Facebook and stuff. But they mounted up, so sure 612 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: we want us, we'll go for it. How wildfires work? Oh, man, 613 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't have this guy's name. A couple of people 614 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: sending this in. Uh, the flashpoint of paper is not 615 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: fahrenheit for fifty one, I said books. The flash point 616 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: of books is not fahrenheit for fifty one. It is 617 00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: fahrenheit eight fifty one celsius four fifty and a Bradbury 618 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,720 Speaker 1: apparently changed the title because fahrenheit for fifty one sounds 619 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: a lot better than celsius for fifty Apparently what was one? 620 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 1: No celsius for fifty is the flashpoint or fahrenheight eight 621 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: sounds as good as four, I think, yeah, okay, but 622 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: I assume that as well. Man, I wish I had 623 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: his name. You know who you are. And it was 624 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: a very nice correction. Those are the ones we like 625 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: to read. Uh. Then we got a correction on who 626 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: was the first murderer. Apparently David says, and even sent 627 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: in a copy of one by Charles Mann. What where 628 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: what he's an email? No, not a not a He 629 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: sent a scanned copy of the page in he says. 630 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: Charles Mann says. Although Billington was in fact hanged, at 631 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: least two other Europeans were executed before him. One was 632 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: convicted for the much more interesting offense of killing his 633 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: pregnant wife and eating her. So how about that, he said, 634 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: those on page fifty five. Yeah, there it is. That 635 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: is crazy, okay, But still Billington is a very noteworthy figure. 636 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: Obviously sees a whole chapter on him. And then we 637 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,919 Speaker 1: got some uh oh. First of all, some people wrote 638 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: in about wildfires in Georgia when I said, oh, Georgia, 639 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: and that wildfires South Georgia does, and there's actually one 640 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: going on right now in the Okefinoki. So I misspoke 641 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: for sure, because I was just talking about the North 642 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: Georgia mountains, which are very lush and green, but South 643 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 1: Georgia can get quite dry, and there are wildfires in Georgia. 644 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,919 Speaker 1: I did not know that that is true. And then 645 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,879 Speaker 1: finally we got an email from an actual Hindu named 646 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: kush k U s h and Kush says, you guys 647 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: missed a few things. Hinduism typically, I'm sorry, technically only 648 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: has one god, not a pantheon. It's complicated to explain, 649 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: especially no non Hindus. But the general ideas there is 650 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: one universal soul or god that encompasses everything, called the 651 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: brah Brahman, that not the Brohm, and every living thing 652 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: has a part of that in us called the Atman. 653 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: The different gods are just different forms of the one Brahman. Also, 654 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: you didn't properly explain the laws of karma. The law 655 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 1: of karma has three parts in Hinduism. One the performer 656 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: ofman action will get the result to the result of 657 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,359 Speaker 1: the action will come right at the right time. And 658 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: three good actions bring good results, Bad actions bring bad results. 659 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: And fourth, the gods are technically subject to karma if 660 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: you also expand the definition of karma to include the 661 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: law of karma. But he says it was a good 662 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: podcast overall, you guys really hit it on the head 663 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: except for these peop points. He did not hit it 664 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: on the head cover that No, well, just for that 665 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: one part. And finally he pointed out, and a few 666 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: other people pointed out that I was wrong in correcting 667 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: you with Jainism and ye's jaine is Um. Thank you, 668 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: but gonna play you something right now? Okay, okay, that 669 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: was from dictionary dot com. Well that that voice is 670 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: obviously wrong. Maybe so this is from Mariam Webster. If 671 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,799 Speaker 1: it's the same voice, it doesn't count twice did you 672 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: hear that that's a different voice? Did that one come 673 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: through Matt? Okay? And then finally, this is Google definitions 674 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: and this is my favorite of all. Actually I don't 675 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: like for this. Wow, So I don't know because I 676 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: had like three other people said no, many other robots, no, 677 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: three other real people said no, it's jain is um. 678 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: And then I went on YouTube and people said jain 679 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: is um. So I don't know. Well, I like that 680 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 1: it's both we're both right, yea, or we're both wrong. Yeah, yeah, 681 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: it was genis um. Well, we love corrections so much 682 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: that I managed to forget that we or are corrected 683 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 1: a lot, or we used to read them. I never 684 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: forget that we're corrected. Um, but let's do this again soon. Agree, 685 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: Go through all fifty episodes, find everything you can that's 686 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 1: wrong with them, and then let us know. Okay, okay 687 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 1: or you can just correct the most recent ones whatever 688 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: we got wrong in this one, which I'm sure is substantial. Um. 689 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: You can go on Facebook if you want. You can 690 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 1: tweet to us s y s K podcast, or you 691 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: can send us a plain old fashion email at stuff 692 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: podcast at how stuff works dot com for more on 693 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: this and thousands of other topics, does it how stuff 694 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: works dot com. 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