1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Everybody, 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: what's going on. Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: Bucky back with you and um Buck, We've got a 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: fun show coming up today. Man, we got our buddy, 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: Bruce Felman is gonna stop by, get a chance to 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: uh to visit with him. But we've got some other 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: business to take care of as well. Yeah. Man, I'm 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: excited about the interview with Bruce Felmon because he obviously 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: stays on top of it from high school to college 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: and those guys moving on to the pros. He kind 11 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: of knows everything, um about those lower levels. But man, 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: this is an exciting time because now we've been able 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: to put um this is we rolled a bit and 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: kind of cast our eyes to the draft. I'm just 15 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: excited about what this draft will bring. More importantly, I'm 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: excited to see how many different teams kind of change 17 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: their process based on the success that we saw for 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: some of the Rockies last season. No doubt, I'm uh 19 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: I think we should look at the quarterback position here 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: as we go into the off season. We're gonna get 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: a chance during the conversation with Bruce to to talk 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: about some of these other position players in this draft class, 23 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: as well as some interesting uh thoughts I know he 24 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: has comparing Nick Saban and Bill Belichick. Um, so that'll 25 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: be a fun conversation. But I want to start here 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: at the quarterback position, buck, because we've got the guys. 27 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Kyler Murray. Is he is he 28 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: gonna play? Is he not gonna play? Have been there, 29 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: done that? We've had that conversation. Um. You know, we've 30 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: talked about Drew lock And and Daniel Jones. We saw 31 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: them down there at the Senior Bowl. You get a chance, 32 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: I think a little bit later. Are we gonna be 33 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: able to roll our conversation that you had with Dwayne 34 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: Haskins a little bit later on this in this show? Yeah, 35 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: I think so. I had a really good conversation with 36 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: him at It's uh at the Super Bowl. Um Man, 37 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm really excited about him. The more I talked to him, 38 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: the more I kind of fall in love with what 39 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: he could be at the next level. That's great, I'm 40 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking forward to hearing that conversation. Saw a 41 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: little bit of the video that we put out there 42 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: the other day. Um, I think we're also gonna play 43 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: your conversation with Nick bosa Um during today's show as well, 44 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: so we got that both those interviews coming up. But 45 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: on the quarterback subject, I know you mentioned how impressed 46 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: you were with Dwayne Haskins, but maybe the most intriguing 47 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: name on the veteran market is uh is super Bowl 48 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: m v P. Nick Foles and what that market's gonna 49 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: look like looks like him in the Philadelphia Eagles that 50 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: that obviously is coming to a close. He's paid back 51 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: the two million bucks he had to pay back Um, 52 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: and he's either gonna be a free agent or he's 53 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: going to be traded here, So his his time as 54 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: an Eagle's coming to a close. What's the best fit 55 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: do you think Buck with Foles? You know it's it's 56 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: It's tough because, like I sent a text around, I 57 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: was talking to some of the guys um in the league, 58 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: and I got hot and co responses on Nick Foles. 59 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: When I talked about the prospect of maybe having to 60 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: pay him twenty five million dollars plus giving up a pick, 61 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: maybe a third round pick to get him, I didn't 62 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: get many takers. They were like I think I'll do better. 63 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: I think I'll wait on what comes around the corner. 64 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: I think I'll wait on what's behind door number two. UM, 65 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: I think that the thing about Nick Foles that may 66 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: drive something they wait is crazy, is you just don't 67 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: know what he is. He had the great year on 68 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: the chip Kelly where he had twenty seven touchdowns only 69 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 1: two interceptions, played at a Pro Bowl level. Uh, then 70 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: after that, didn't necessarily play great thereafter didn't you see 71 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: him with the Rams and he can't necessarily make plays, 72 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: goes to Kansas City, he's back up, doesn't really do anything. 73 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: Re emerges in Philadelphia under Doug Peterson. Doug Peterson kind 74 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: of takes him under at the end of that Super 75 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: Bowl year, digs into the old tapes um where Nick 76 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: Foles was playing well on the chip Kelly, continues to 77 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: do the things that he did on the chip Kelly. 78 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: They win the Super Bowl. He goes back to the bench. 79 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: This year with Carson Wentz, re emerges has some success 80 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: them doing the same stuff that they did with chip Kelly. 81 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: So are you willing to commit to do with chip 82 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: Kelly's offense to help Nick Foles play at the high level? 83 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: Because we haven't seen him play at that level outside 84 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: of playing in that system in the structure. Alright, so 85 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: hear me out on this one. I think there's only 86 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: one team, and this team's were mentioned a bunch with him. 87 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: I really think it's the only team team. I think 88 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguar is the only team that makes sense 89 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: for Nick Foles. And I'm gonna explain myself here real quick. 90 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: Let me tell you who the comps is. Who Nick 91 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: Foles is In my opinion, he's Brad Johnson. That's who 92 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: he reminds me of. And you look at Brad Johnson 93 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: on a team that was ready to win, UM down 94 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: there in Tampa. That makes sense, you know, Okay, you're 95 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: ready to go with his skill set, his ability, surrounded 96 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: by what he was, surrounded by great defense. Um, you 97 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: know you've got a good play caller there, um had 98 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: some veteran receivers, had a good back. Um. All those 99 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: things kind of made sense. Brad johnson skill set played, 100 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: and they were able to go chase a Super Bowl. 101 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: To me, Jacksonville is the only team that's close of 102 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: the teams that are looking at quarterback changes, I need 103 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: a guy. I don't think that the New York Giants 104 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: are you know, a decent quarterback away from from playing 105 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: with the Superio. In fact, I don't know that he's 106 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: an upgrade over Eli Manning, so that that's not one. 107 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: The Washington Redskins are not ready to win a Super Bowl. Uh, 108 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: that's not one. Miami is not ready to win a 109 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They're not a decent quarterback away from getting 110 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: to that point. Uh. The Den Broncos, you know, they 111 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: have some good pieces in place there. I still don't 112 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: think he's a difference, but you know, enough of a 113 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: difference between case keenom. But he's gonna take you to 114 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: the super Bowl. However, I do think Jacksonville, with the 115 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: pieces in place, with just stable, steady quarterback play, could 116 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: make a deep run. So that to me is the 117 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: one organization that makes sense. You've got d Filippo there, 118 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: who knows him well from their time in Philly. If 119 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: I'll put it this way, if if Nick Foles is 120 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: not a member of the Jacksonville Jaguars, I'll be surprised. 121 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: I mean, there there are a lot of things that 122 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: are kind of like if you read the tea leaves, 123 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,239 Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense. Um and The reason 124 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: that sensible is because the offensive coordinator knows him, really, 125 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: really will so you would like to think that he 126 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: would know how to mask his flaws, elevate him in 127 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: terms of playing to his strengths, and allow him to 128 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: play the game the right way in terms of the 129 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: way that he is kind of built to play it. 130 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: The issue that you may have is, man, look, John 131 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: d Filippo likes to throw the ball all over the yard, 132 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: and the Jacksonville Jaguars or a team him that is 133 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: built to run the football. Can he not only just 134 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: elevated Nick Foles, but can he take the rest of 135 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: the pieces to get them going? Because when I look 136 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: at the rest of their pieces, I like Dde Westbrook Um. 137 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: I like some of the other guys that they have, 138 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: like DJ Chart was their first round pick a year ago. 139 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: He's a speak guy. Like we didn't see much of 140 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: him this year. But maybe they can do some things. 141 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: But I don't know if they have a team that 142 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: can kind of play the style that you need to 143 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: play for Nick Foles. When you think about their best 144 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: player on offense potentially being a Leonard Finette Um, It'll 145 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: be interesting to see how they come together because their 146 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: defense is legit. But with that defense, do you want 147 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: to be conservative running and occasionally letting Nick Foles do it? 148 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think they have to 149 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: be in play because they can't go with Blake Borders again. 150 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: They have to get someone that they can depend on, 151 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: someone that's a little safer, someone that is a little 152 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: more consistent. Maybe Nick Foles can be the guy we've 153 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: seen to play a high level of playoffs. So maybe 154 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: that's just enough to make Tom Coughlin, Doug Maron, Dave 155 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: carl Will believe that he can be the franchise quarter 156 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: back for at least a short term. All Right, If 157 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: I've said Nick Foles to Jacksonville, I'd be surprised if 158 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. Give me the favorite who makes the 159 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: most sense for Joe Flacco. When you look at all 160 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: those teams, which team makes the most sense? I've got 161 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,119 Speaker 1: mine in mind, but I want to see what you got. 162 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: I would I actually believe that Joe Flacco would benefit 163 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: from going to the Denver Bronco, Thank you very much. 164 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: That's agreement. I think um based on how the Broncos 165 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: want to play, based on how Joe Flacco plays, strong 166 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: running game, pushed the ball down the field, he has 167 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: always been at his best, and that he doesn't turn 168 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: the ball over. And I think it is um easy 169 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: to say that he would be an upgrade over Case Keeno, 170 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: even though Case Keenu may have had better moments of late. Uh. 171 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: He's the opposite though, right, That's my theory. You always 172 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: go and hire the opposite head coach or what you had. 173 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: You always get the opposite skill set when you leave quarterbacks. Yeah, 174 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: I just think Joe Flacco is probably a better fit there. 175 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: In the one other place that I would say that 176 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: he potentially could fit, I think he would be a 177 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: good fit with the New York Giants. I think with 178 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: the New York asking what they have with se Kwan 179 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: Barkley and Odell Beckham and those guys, if they decided 180 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: that they want to go that route, I think he's 181 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: an upgrading improvement over Eli Manning. And this is a lot. Yeah, 182 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: that that is a powerful statement there. Um, those are 183 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: the two. I mean, are there any is there any other? 184 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: I mean Teddy Teddy's probably one, Yeah, but like the 185 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: Miami makes sense, Yeah, going back to Miami makes sense 186 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: for Teddy. But I don't you know. I don't know, 187 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: Like he didn't necessarily play great. You would like to 188 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: see him kind of sal the deal when he had 189 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: his opportunity at the very end of the year. He 190 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: didn't play great in that game. I think there are 191 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people that are still um optimistic about 192 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: what he could be. But you would like to see 193 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: him kind of finish it off strong to really make 194 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: your evaluation pop. And he didn't do that. But you 195 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: talked about him going to Miami makes perfect sense, and 196 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: I think it makes sense for him not only being 197 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: from Miami and the leadership that they need in the vacuum. 198 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: I believe he will be a better warm weather quarterback 199 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: because the arm issues won't necessarily be a factor because 200 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: the ballfly us farther in the hot weather. Yeah, no doubt. Um, 201 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: we all want to be in warm weather. All right, 202 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: let's uh, what do you say? Let's get there and 203 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: I had a chance to to sit down with with Bruce. 204 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: Let's roll that interview and that conversation I had with 205 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: Bruce Feldman. Then we'll come back on and chat about it. 206 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: All right. Excited to be joined by Bruce Feldman, Fox 207 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: Sports Superstar and now a taking his prolific writing duties 208 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: to the Athletic, which I would encourage if you do 209 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: not have a subscription to the Athletic, it is it 210 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: is much much worth it, especially uh for Bruce who 211 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: was the best in the business. Bruce, how you doing, man, 212 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Good to be out of you. I 213 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: appreciate you. You're carving out some time for us today. 214 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: I want to start You've written a couple interesting pieces 215 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: lately and uh and one that I that I'm I 216 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: want to start off with here is that you went 217 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: back and revisited the meat Market, which is is a 218 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: recruiting book that you pinned. I guess what was that about, 219 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 1: oh six oh seven when that came out, Bruce, It 220 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: was I basically spent two years inside the old Miss 221 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: football program when was the head coach there, and it 222 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: was a fascinating project all the way around. Yeah, it 223 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: is a great read, you know. I encourage you to 224 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: go read and it revisits a lot of these individual 225 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: players and where are they now? What happened to these guys? 226 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: Um and and even catching up with that Ordron in 227 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: terms of the success he's had going on going back 228 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: to USC had some successes in term there and then 229 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: has has done a nice job at L s U. 230 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: I believe you just got didn't you just get a 231 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: new contract as well? Down there in the Bayeau. No, 232 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: it's it's not done yet, but I think L s 233 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: U would like to extend them and I think they're 234 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: still trying to sort that part out. Okay, Well, the 235 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: the angle I want to take with you because as 236 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: we as you know, we are focused on the on 237 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: the NFL and the NFL draft in particular as we 238 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: get to the spring. But I just feel like or 239 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: Dron has always mentioned for his recruiting skills and you 240 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: kind of get his here all the great stories remember 241 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: Shantrell Henderson, the stories about him, you know, sitting on 242 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: the couch, you know, with the with the family and 243 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: the grandparents, and he's always just found ways to connect 244 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: with people. And I think people his personality gets its due. 245 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 1: I don't know that his evaluation skills get there due 246 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: you go all the way through his career. As you 247 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: know quite well, Bruce, he's had a lot of first 248 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: round picks, a lot of successful players, and they haven't 249 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: always been the five star kid. He's unearthed, Uh, some 250 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: hidden gems there, So selfishly, I just want to know 251 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: being around him for a couple of years in the 252 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: evaluation process, not the recruiting process, but the evaluation process, 253 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: what's made or dron so good. Well, a couple of things. 254 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: So first of all, you look at who he learned under. 255 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he was on the Miami staff with Jimmy Johnson. 256 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: And I think when people see Ogeron, they see this 257 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: kind of Cajun caveman personality and they just, you know, 258 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 1: they look at him, Well, he doesn't seem that sharp, 259 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: you know, kind of that, and they don't realize that 260 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: he is always He's always one of these guys is 261 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: always learning and picking stuff up. And I think he 262 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: learned a lot under Jimmy Johnson. He learned a lot 263 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: in a short amount of time under Paul Pascaloney at 264 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: Syracuse and some other guys. And I think what was 265 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: big for him is he trusts his evaluation and he 266 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: believes in it so much. He's not shy about being 267 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: He likes to be the first person to offer a 268 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: guy because he feels like, you know what if I'm 269 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: the first person to go out and stick my neck 270 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: out for a kid, that kid there's gonna be some 271 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: kind of connection, maybe a loyalty feeling like, hey, we 272 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: were the first ones to believe in you, and that 273 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: can that can help him on the on the on 274 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,599 Speaker 1: the recruiting and on the wooing side of the recruiting process. 275 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: But you talk about, you know a lot of these 276 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: guys were not the five star guys because usually when 277 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: he offers them there there are no star guys because 278 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: they haven't really been evaluated yet, or maybe there are 279 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: three star to star guys. You know Ryan Khalil who 280 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: turned out to be a terrific NFL lineman. I remember 281 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: Joan telling me the story. He's a recruiting coordinator at 282 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: USC and he said, Ryan Colos from Orange County. He's 283 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what he is, maybe six to uh. 284 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: They had him at their camp. He was not a 285 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: big recruit and they watched him the top ranked defensive 286 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: line guy. I thinking, I don't know if he's in 287 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: the country, but certainly at that camp. Has a guy 288 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: named Derek Landry from northern California ended up going to 289 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: Notre Dame And you were six and six at Notre Dames. Now, yeah, 290 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: and they said, you know, he said we watched Ryan, 291 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, kick that guy's butt rep after rep, and 292 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: he's like, we wore on on on Ryan co little 293 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: so much in that in that camp were like, you know, 294 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: we whipped this butt just to see how tough he was, 295 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: and you know it just demanding and demanding and demanding. 296 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: And Ryan Klie turned out to be probably the best 297 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: player in the I would say, of the best recruiting 298 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: class in modern history, at least in the Star system. 299 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: And that was that two thousand three USC class that 300 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: had a bunch of first rounders and a bunch of 301 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: second rounders and again that was a three star guy. 302 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: And so one of the things I've heard back on 303 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: the on the other end of this, you know, revisiting 304 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: meat market a deck twelve years later was remember I 305 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: talked to t Bob Abert, who started for a couple 306 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: of years at l s U and was a highly 307 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: ruand kid who oron couldn't get. But T Bob said, 308 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: we went to a camp up he had and he 309 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: said it was a different level camp in terms of 310 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: how hands on he was. He goes it was almost primal, 311 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: but he said it was fun, but it was super 312 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: competitive and kids really responded to that. And so what 313 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: I think Ozon has been really good at is you know, 314 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: you can be all you know. He he loves track 315 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: times and all the meserables, was just like everybody else. 316 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: But the biggest thing I always heard from him was 317 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: how tough is a kid? How competitive is he? How 318 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: much does he love football? You know? How football smart 319 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: is he? Those things, because if you can figure those 320 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: things out, you probably won't have a bust on your hands. 321 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: If if you have a kid who loves football and 322 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: is competitive and is tough, it doesn't mean he's going 323 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: to turn out to be Reggie Bush. It doesn't mean 324 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna turn out, you know, to be some some 325 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, uh, Patrick Willis. But it means you'll probably 326 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: have a player that's good for your program. And that 327 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: was what he was big on. He's big on, you know, 328 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: the biggest kiss of death for him. It was always 329 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: a kid who may have a good forty time or something, 330 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: but he was stiff. And that's the thing they always 331 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: tried to find out. And there's little tests, obviously people 332 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: in the scouting world do, but he said, sometimes those 333 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: things you just don't know what you have, and so 334 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: you have a kid on your campus for a couple 335 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: of weeks. I'm just trying to, uh to extrapolate that 336 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: out to the NFL level. And and to me, just 337 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: listening to this conversation, it puts such an emphasis on 338 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: the spring in terms of being able to put these 339 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: kids through your own private workouts, because that's like your 340 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: own little camp, you know, college kids. College coaches always 341 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: encourage prospects to come into their camp, most of them 342 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: and you would know better than I. It seems like 343 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: a lot of programs have a philosophy. Right if you 344 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: don't camp there, they won't offer you a scholarship because 345 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: they want a chance to get a chance to coaches 346 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: see how you learn, uh, see how you handle some adversity, 347 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: and just see how you operate on their practice field 348 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: kind of in an apples and app apples to apples 349 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: setting versus watching a kid play against inferior competition on 350 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: high school tape. Right, And what's different now than it 351 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: was five years ago is now because the recruiting cross 352 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: process is sped up. It's hard. Kids already have offers 353 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: and they're they're gonna go not all of them, but 354 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: a lot of these kids are gonna go, well, I'm 355 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: not gonna go to camp. Why do I need to 356 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: go to that camp? I already have eleven offers, And 357 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: so the evaluation process gets murkier because it's exactly what 358 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: you just said. I can still hear his voice going, 359 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: we want to see him in our drills and see 360 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: how they handle our coaching, you know, and how they 361 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: what they pick up and what they don't. I think 362 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: it's more of a blind than what you guys have 363 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: at the NFL level, because you have, you know, more 364 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: of all guys. There's less project there's projection, but it's 365 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: obviously not like you know, a lot of times these 366 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: guys get a kid and they'll look and he's a 367 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: six four, three hundred pound offensive lineman or defensive lignement, 368 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: and the guys he's going up against their my size 369 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: or you know, it's just you just you know, a 370 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: guy can just mall somebody. You really don't, you know. 371 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: And I think even a lot of the stuff that 372 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: happens in the in the Star system is they go 373 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: to some kind of camp or the opening and it's 374 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: shorts and T shirts and you just really don't know 375 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: that much about how how good a guy is. Um 376 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: just was like a little bit of a this popped 377 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: in my head. This isn't necessarily always your wrong related, 378 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: but it's Pete Carroll related. There was an offensive lineman 379 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: um that was from Arizona. I remember he was out 380 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: at USC's camp and he was long, and he looked 381 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: pretty you know, it looked pretty athletic. And he got 382 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: whipped rep after rep, and I remember Pete Carroll going, hey, 383 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: get him in there again. It was like and the 384 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: guy got beat by like different body types each time. 385 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: And he wasn't a big recruit, but I think his 386 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: dad played maybe at Minnesota or something. I remember talking 387 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: to the kid. So the kid ended up going to Michigan, 388 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: and I believe he's now he was like a first 389 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: round pick who's now like the starting offensive tackle for 390 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: the Tennessee type and yeah, and it's just like, Okay, 391 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: let's see how resilient this kid is. What happens when 392 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: he's he gets beat because he's probably going up against 393 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: at that camp at USC, He's probably going up against 394 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: players who are better and more athletic than anything he 395 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: sees regularly in Arizona. And it's just like, Okay, what's 396 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: this kid mind? Mentality like when he gets beat, how 397 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: is he going to handle it? And I thought that 398 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: was interesting, you know a little snapshot of that. Taylor 399 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: of the one the highest paid left tackle in the NFL, 400 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 1: I believe after his contract extension last year. So he's uh, 401 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: he came out of that okay, uh, when it was 402 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: all said and done, I think the way that I 403 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: was kind of summarize. And this has been said in 404 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: scouting community before, but you talked about kind of the 405 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: the work ethic, Do they love football? Um? Are they tough? 406 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: All those things. I think those intangibles kind of set 407 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: the floor of the evaluation. You're never going to completely 408 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: miss on somebody when they're wired that way. And I 409 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: think that then you get to the pure talent that 410 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: can set the ceiling a little bit of where you 411 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: go from there. But man, when you look at guys 412 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: that have busted out, I know I've done this personally 413 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: when I do some self evaluation of players that I've 414 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: graded over the years, though it is it is primarily 415 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 1: that is number one on the list. Is there some 416 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: type of a work ethic issue um or you know, 417 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: injury history things like that can pop up as well. 418 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: But nine times out of ten. If a guy just 419 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: completely busts, I mean, you don't imagine when you're watching 420 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: a kid in college, you don't imagine that he's you know, 421 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: you're you're not totally whiffing on the evaluation. It's pretty 422 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: obvious some of these guys looks. He's big, he's explosive, 423 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, he do this, that or the other. Um. 424 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 1: But if he totally flames out, it's it's usually not 425 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: because of the ability issue, it's because of some of 426 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: the other issues we just discussed. Yes, I mean, I 427 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: think there's two, two separateations. I feel like I've heard 428 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: Lewis Riddick bring this up a lot. You know, football character. 429 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: It's the football character. It's the over overall character and 430 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: one of the best players you know the book. The 431 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: first evaluation that I get into in the book is 432 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: of a five eleven eighty five pound like skills guy. 433 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: Uh it's Golden Pate And they were like, Okay, what 434 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: does he want to play here? Because he could do anything. 435 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: You know, the Harrison Smith played five positions and you 436 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: know it would have been good at all of another 437 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: Tennessee you know bred kid um, but the one of 438 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: the guys they loved the most was this defensive tackle 439 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: who wore from Louisiana and reminded Ozon of Warren sa 440 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: App and that kid. Ultimately, you know, they questioned. There 441 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: was questions about his work, ethic um and how hard 442 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: he wanted to play. But he could be dominant and 443 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: he they couldn't get him. He went to Tennessee, didn't 444 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: qualify what he was, sent to junior college in northern California, 445 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: didn't stay there. When to Louisiana Tech, got booted out 446 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: of there, went to Texas Southern. While I talked to 447 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: his coach at Texas Southern you know, this past week, 448 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: and he raved about the kid athletically and how explosive 449 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: he goes. I've interned with the Houston Texans, I've interned 450 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: with the sand with the San Diego Chargers. I've never 451 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: seen anybody you know, Melvin Melvin Ingram is as explosive 452 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: as he is. Didn't have a get off like Rolando Melonzon. 453 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: But Rolando had big issues off the field, and he 454 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: never you know, got the sniff of the NFL because 455 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: of all the stuff that you know, just matters, matters 456 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: most does no matter how talented you are. If you 457 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: don't have it together, you know you're gonna be a 458 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: wasteist people's time. That's why it's it's so important to 459 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: get to know these kids and not only get to 460 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: know them, but talk to everybody else around them, teammates, coaches, 461 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: support staff. Yeah, there's much information so you can make 462 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: a good decision there when you're investing that type of 463 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: money and putting your job on the line with with 464 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: who you're gonna select in the draft. I want to 465 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: transition a little bit over from or Dron to the 466 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: two best coaches in football right now. Um, it's been 467 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: that way for a long time. At the college level, 468 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: it's been Nick and Nick Saban. I know, uh Dabos 469 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: has got his number a little bit lately, and I 470 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: think I don't think you get any uh any argument 471 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: that Nick still the king of the mountain there. And 472 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: then when you look at the NFL level, it's Bill Belichick. 473 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: And you wrote recently about all the roster the staff 474 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: turnover for Nick that he's had at Alabama, losing assistance 475 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: and coordinators just about every single year, and we've seen 476 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: this offseason now with Bill Belichick, he loses another coach 477 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: uh and Brian Flores, who takes off to go to 478 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. Now, the difference between the two of 479 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, face value is while Saban has lost a 480 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: lot of coordinators Patricia the year before, last year, then 481 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: you see Flora's go. We've seen you know, Charlie Weiss 482 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: back in the day, Romeo Cornell, we've seen nutrition on 483 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: that staff. But for the most part, I think all 484 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: but three years there, he's had Josh McDaniels there. Dante Scarneki, 485 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: the best offensive line coach on the planet, has been 486 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: with him for the majority of this run. He's had 487 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: some some key figures. Ernie Adams kind of behind the scenes, 488 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: has been there with him. Nickassario has been there with him. Um, 489 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: so he's had some nucleus or a cord there with 490 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: him the entire time. Has has Saban had people we 491 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: don't know about? Maybe the core group there that we 492 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: don't know about. And how have both these guys, if 493 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna compare them, how have they been able to 494 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: survive some of the transition that they've had. Yeah, it's 495 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: an interesting parallel. Obviously, those two guys who spent a 496 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: ton of time together before but I think what's what's 497 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: key here is so this year and the big part 498 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: of that story that you know I did on the 499 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: Athletic a couple of weeks ago, was he's gonna lose 500 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: seven of the ten on field coaches this cycle that 501 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: he had. And that's after bringing in six new coaches 502 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: last year. None of the guys who were the on 503 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: field being you know, coordinator position coaches that he has 504 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: have been with him very long. So the three holdovers 505 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: who are going to be from last year of going 506 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: past signing day, Jeff Banks, a special team corp Denner 507 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: he was there last year was his first year. Pete Golden, 508 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: who's you know, defensive coordinator. Last year was his first season. 509 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: And Carl Scott defensive backs coach also last year was 510 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: his first. So nobody has any extended length of time 511 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: with the on field coaches. But as I got into 512 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: this story, I talked to a lot of people on 513 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: the staff, you know, inside the program, but also people 514 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: who used to work there, and this was I think 515 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: an eye opening quote for me from a former assistant there. 516 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: It doesn't rely as much on assistant coaches because it's 517 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: so structured. He's got two huge factors. Scott copper And 518 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: who's a strength coach, and Jeff Allen, who's the director 519 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: of sports medicine. Those are the good cops. Players aren't 520 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: as miserable as the coaches because of those guys. They 521 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: only deal with saving a little bit. When you're a coach, 522 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: you deal with him all day. When you're a player, 523 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: you deal with Cockran and Jeff way more than you 524 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: deal with Saban. And the big thing is you've got 525 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: better players than everybody else. It's not even close. He's 526 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: out recruited everybody. And I think that's telling because you know, 527 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: most Alabama fans know who Scott Conford is because that 528 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, incredibly gravelly voice, and he's high energy like 529 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: most strength coaches. I don't get a ton of money 530 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: to Jeff. Yeah, And I don't think anybody knows who 531 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: Jeff Allen is unless you're you know, maybe in your 532 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,959 Speaker 1: line of work, DJA. You know, But that those are 533 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: the key pieces that make it run along with Saban 534 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: is so good at what he does. I mean, he's 535 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: head and shoulders better than everybody else as far as 536 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: college head coaches. So has he has he just kind 537 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: of kept I know defensively. Obviously, Saban has his core 538 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: UH philosophy and courtenants there. When he keeps bringing in 539 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: these new coordinators each and every year, especially the defensive coordinators, 540 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: UM terminology, all those things, that is it just kind 541 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: of Saban's terminology and those guys come man and got 542 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: to learn and adapt and go with it. Or is 543 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: he really changing things up on a yearly basis. I 544 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: think he's tweaked things a little bit, but it's still 545 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: his show. You know, there's a story I'm working on 546 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: now about Pete Golden who's a rising star and coaching, 547 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: and really it was way off the radar. He was 548 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: at U T. S A when Saban heard about him 549 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: and has like this legendary now seven hour on the 550 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: board interview where Pete Golden blows him away, um with 551 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: just how sharp he is. And I think there's things 552 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: that but you're coming in to do what Nick does, right, 553 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: He's the secondary guy, and so much of that happens. 554 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: I mean, they've had d line guys cycle in and out, 555 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: um it feels like every two years, and so it's 556 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: it's what Nick does now. He definitely made some adjustments offensively, 557 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think with some of the r P 558 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: O game. I think Mike Locksley helped him in the 559 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: last couple of years, not just as they Albin's coordinator, 560 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: but with the QB run game. I think what you've 561 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: seen from from Lane, some of the ways they handle 562 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: things and really voit ing you know, here's our go 563 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: to guy, and we're gonna find different ways to get 564 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: him the ball. But for the most part, you know, 565 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: he's had he's had key influences like Joe Pendry for 566 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: a long time was behind the scenes. Really yeah, so 567 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: I think, you know, he knows what he's doing, and 568 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: I think some of the recruiting principles and different things 569 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: that's Nick Saban's blueprint. I mean, you know, you talked 570 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: to guys who coach. They're saying, you know, I thought 571 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: we would have had maybe some big, more big receivers, 572 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: but Nick Saban wants a certain kind of this and 573 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: a certain kind of that, and it works. I mean, 574 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: obviously it's he's by far the best coach at least 575 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: of my lifetime in college football, and he's recruiting at 576 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: a high level, and I just think the guys adapted him. 577 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: And one of the things you hear from these guys 578 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: who used to work there is Hey, you go in 579 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: as an assistant, getting the job, thinking all right, this 580 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: is probably a short term proposition, maybe one year, maybe 581 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: two years, and it's gonna better me further way out. 582 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: And you always hear I had better relationships with Nick 583 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: Saban after they worked for him than when they worked 584 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: for It's like you've survived. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, you 585 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: made it through. Um real quick here. I won't keep 586 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: you too long, Bruce. You've been generous with your time, 587 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: but wanted to hit you up on a couple of 588 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: guys UM getting ready to look at this draft class. 589 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: I know you've got a chance to be around a 590 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 1: lot of these kids and their coaches and some of 591 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: their back story. I just want to pepper you on 592 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: on a couple of them. Uh Rashan Gary. I think 593 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of more polarizing players in this 594 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: draft class because a little bit more athlete than football 595 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: player at this point in time. Everything I've been told, 596 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: he's gonna test like a freak. I didn't even go 597 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: back and look at your freaks list. I'm imagine he's 598 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: probably made his way onto that thing. Um, but he 599 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: is gonna be you know, two d eighty pounds. He 600 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: might and I have been told he might even run 601 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: in the four fives, which is astronomical, But the the 602 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: production never quite matched the talent there at Michigan. I 603 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: know he's a big time, high profile recruit. What can 604 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: you tell me about Rashan Gary? Yeah, he was number 605 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: one on my free list is past year. There you go. 606 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: There's so many good linement. The production parts would scare 607 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: me a little bit. There's two guys that I would 608 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: put put in that similar category, and they're both big 609 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: ten guys, and it's him and one of the tight 610 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: ends no offense from Iowa, who's just you know, a 611 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: tremendous athlete. Yeah, but the production you wonder about this 612 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: t J. Hockenson is more versatile the other tight end. 613 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I have a little more faith in. 614 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: But it wouldn't surprise me if either one of those 615 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: guys being Noah or or Gary goes into the NFL 616 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, just because it's somebody gets it 617 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: out of them, they get more comfortable, um, and then 618 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: they just flourish and become a big impact guy because 619 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: just because they're so gifted. Um. But again, there were 620 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: other the other big ten linemen that I think were 621 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: more impressive, and I think that we saw a lot 622 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: more lineman than I thought were just more productive than 623 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: he was. So I could see what was Somebody would 624 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: take him in the you know, he'll blow up an Indian, 625 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: somebody will take him in the top fifth team, but 626 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: it would I don't know, how do they explain it? 627 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you know those coaches there at Michigan, you've 628 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: met with them. How do they explain the gap between 629 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: the ability and the production? Do they ever offer the explanation? Well, 630 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: you gotta remember, though, I mean, because the guy on 631 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: the other side of the pall a ton of plays, right, 632 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: But I think it's like that was aside from the 633 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: end of the season, that was a really good defense, 634 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: and he was an important part of a really good defense, 635 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: you know. But the guy you hear them rave about more, 636 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: not just one of this was undersized linebackers all over 637 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: the place, and that's the one you would always hear about. So, um, 638 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: it's not a knock on him. I guess it's a 639 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: relative though, because it because it feels like it's a 640 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: knock if you're talking about a top ten pick, So 641 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: I don't know that's gonna be a fun one. I 642 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: think he's going to go up there, Bruce. I think 643 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: his skill set is so tantalizing. And here's the thing. 644 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes you get guys that are athletically gifted like that, 645 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: they don't have their production and a lot of times 646 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: you questioned why and all, this guy's a great athlete, 647 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: but man, he doesn't play hard. Does he even want 648 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: to be out there? This kid plays his butt off 649 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: and he is disruptive, He generates a lot of pressure. 650 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: He just struggles to kind of locate the football at time. 651 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: So I think it's more of an instinct thing. But 652 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: I think he plays hard. You watch him hustle on 653 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: the backside and do all kinds of things. So I 654 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: think the fact you have this freakish athlete who shows 655 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,719 Speaker 1: that he cares on the field, that he's gonna go 656 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: on the top ten even if the production doesn't warrnt it. Yeah, 657 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: And the character part is not a worry because you 658 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: talked to guys who worked with him and coached him. 659 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: They really liked him as a kid. He's intelligent. They 660 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: like him. It's just that PIEC wonder about a little 661 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: bit just because of the production. Now, maybe there's there's 662 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: more to it in the film, like you said, but um, 663 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: it's not a character issue. I've heard a lot of 664 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: good things from the guys who coached him, So the 665 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: feld no, no off the field issues. There one guy 666 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: who does. Um, and I'm putting on the spot here 667 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: because I don't know how much you know about this kid, 668 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: But Jeffrey Simmons is my fifth overall player in the draft. 669 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: He is ridiculously talented defensive tackle prospect from Mississippi State 670 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: who has a video with a physical altercation with a 671 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: woman when he was in high school before he got 672 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: to miss Sissippi State. I've talked to tons of of 673 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: evaluators that have gone through the school on the school call, 674 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: and they say that they rave about him, have had 675 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: no issues with him whatsoever. He's an honorable student. They said. 676 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: You could talk to any of his professors, his coaches, 677 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: any of the students on campus. You will not find 678 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: anybody will say one bad thing about Jeffrey Simmons. However, 679 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: there is a video that exists of the altercation with 680 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 1: the with the female in high school, and he has 681 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: not been invited to the combine as part of that 682 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: policy the NFL has put in place. So he's gonna 683 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: obviously be under intense scrutiny as we go towards the draft. 684 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: UM with with that video being out there, what what 685 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: have you heard about Jeffrey Simmons and uh and what 686 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: can you tell us there that maybe I don't know? Yeah, 687 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: for a little context on that. So he was suspended 688 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: and this this got even more attention because Mississippi State 689 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: was the old Dan Mullen staff and the old A D. 690 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: They suspended him for one game and it was his 691 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: first game and it was against a terrible opponent. People like, okay, 692 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: this is kind of a forest to begin with. This 693 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: is if you want to do something that you're really 694 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: doing this And it got more attention because it really 695 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: broke around sec ME D days in Jeffrey simmons first year. 696 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: So from my understanding, the story was there was an 697 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: altercation between one of his relatives who was a female, 698 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: and this woman. Simmons jumped in to protect his I 699 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: don't know if it's this older sister or his aunt, 700 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: and then he got involved and has seen on the 701 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: video striking this woman and it's multiple times UM and 702 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: it's a horrific video. Everything you've heard since then and 703 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: it's the same stuff you're saying. And I know these 704 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: Mississippi State staff, especially the new one, which is that 705 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: Joe moorehead Bob Shooting staff um has been extremely positive, 706 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: like you said, about what kind of person he's been 707 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: in Starkville for three years. And Bob Shoot will be 708 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: an interesting person for people to talk to because he 709 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: was the defensive coordinator at Tennessee before in Mississippi State 710 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: and we had a conversation about Jeffrey Simmons and going 711 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: to visit him. I remember sitting in Shoot's office and 712 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: he talked about like where he was, like kind of 713 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: where Jeffrey Simmons came from. And there's you know, I 714 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: don't want to get into too much because it wasn't 715 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: like a I wasn't there to talk to Hi about 716 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons, but I remember his perspective on Jeffrey Simmons 717 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: is probably gonna be about as good as anybody because 718 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: he knew Jeffrey Simmons before as a recrup but he 719 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: also knew him as a guy who was not getting 720 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,479 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons. Remember he was at Tennessee. I don't think 721 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: he ever thought he's gonna coach him, and then he's 722 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: coached them, uh this past year, and he's really talented, 723 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: and he has something really ugly in his past, but 724 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: it definitely seems like if you talked to everybody, that 725 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: he's come a long away from that and that was 726 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: just one really bad moment in the heat of the 727 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: moment um. So I think this is gonna be, uh, 728 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: this is gonna be one where I think hey're gonna 729 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: have whoever whoever drafts him, and I bet he's gonna 730 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: be a top top ten pick because he is really productive. 731 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: Is gonna have to is gonna have to navigate the 732 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: pr stuff that's going to come from something happened with 733 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: him in high school. But again, I think they're gonna 734 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: have to be very vocal about all the people they 735 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: talked to at Mississippi State, both on the Dan Mullen 736 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 1: staff and now on the Joe moorehead staff, about what 737 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: what he's been like since he's been there. And I 738 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: think they're gonna have to be really upfront about because 739 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: I think there is a lot of positivity about all 740 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: the people you'll you'll talk to about what he's been 741 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: like when they're being honest. Um, a couple, I mean 742 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: two more guys and I'll let you run. Uh. Marquis 743 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: Brown from Oklahoma is uh. Is listed at five ten 744 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: hundred sixty eight pounds. I've been told he's gonna be 745 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: over hundred seventy pounds UM, which is good for me 746 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: because he's my ninth overall player, which is something Again, 747 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: it's it's awkward to have somebody so undersized, so highly rated. 748 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: But he looks different when I when I look at 749 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: all the receivers in this draft class and I stack 750 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: him up, this kid is different than everybody else. He's 751 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 1: got a differ type of juice. He's fluid, He's an 752 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: excellent route runner. He's not just you know, um a 753 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: post go guy like. He does a lot of different things. 754 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: You can see him getting out of breaks. I was 755 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: with the Eagles, I believe when DeShawn Jackson was coming out. 756 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: No where was I not even he was. I'm actually 757 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: might have been in Baltimore, but Deshan Jackson was the 758 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: exact same player, exact same size. I think Marky's Brown 759 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: might be a little bit tougher. Um, But where where 760 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: did this kid. Where this kid come from? And uh, 761 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: and what's your what's your thoughts on him from what 762 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: you've spoke to there with that Oklahoma staff about Marky's Brown, 763 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 1: what type of player he is? Yeah, he's a Florida 764 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: kid who went to junior college. Dennis Simmons is his 765 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: receivers coach there and and Dennis has been around a 766 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: lot of really good football players and a lot of 767 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: really good receivers he was with. Dennis Simmons is an 768 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: old B y U linebacker, but he was on Mike 769 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: Leechestafa Texas Tech. He coached, and he was really a 770 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: guy who helped Michael Crabtree. Uh, he's had really good 771 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: players everywhere he's been at receiver. He's you know, he's 772 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: about as good a receivers coach as there is from 773 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: from recruiting to to helping kids get developed. Um and 774 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: he loves that kid. He just said a lot of 775 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: the stuff you're talking about where you know Oklahoma had 776 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: some had some speed before. I mean you remember a 777 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: couple of years ago they had what you look like 778 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: a small receiver by the NFL center d D. Westbrook, 779 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 1: who could who could just light up the big twelve 780 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: and with a great college receiver, not he had more baggage. 781 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: I don't think from what I've heard, Brown has the 782 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: off field baggage at all. He's just tiny and I'm 783 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: a little surprised that you have him that high, not 784 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: because I don't think he was a you know, a 785 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: phenomenal weapon, but just because he is so small and 786 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, he's not Tyreek Hill. Where you look at 787 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill is a thicker guy. But when I watched him, 788 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, he's got a different gear than everybody 789 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: else on the field. I don't, you know, I don't 790 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: know if I to me, I don't think Brown is 791 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: is that because I just think he's smaller. But one 792 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: of the things that sustration from talking to Dennis that 793 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: OHU was then the couple of days after that they 794 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: lost to Alabama. He was banged up in that game. 795 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: He tried to play. He said, he's a tough kid 796 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 1: in terms of tough heart. Uh, you know, just he's 797 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: going to give you whatever he has. But he is small, 798 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: and you just you just wonder about the durability issue. 799 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: But he he is a weapon for somebody because of 800 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: that that year he has and he really just took 801 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: off when he was in Oklahoma and Lincoln Riley's system. 802 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 1: And like I said, Dennis Simmons, he's done a really 803 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: good job with receivers like this, especially at OU since 804 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: he's been there. Yeah, to me, I mean he's not 805 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: He doesn't have the same bill as as Tyreek in 806 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: terms of the thickness. But I've seen the career, you know, 807 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: and I think this kid probably a little bit cleaner 808 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: off the field than DeShawn Jackson. But I've seen the 809 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: career that Deshaun's had. Deshaun was a hundred and sixty 810 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: nine pounds, so it's that's the same exact body type 811 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 1: that I saw. And I think if DeShawn was clean 812 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: coming out of the draft and I had a huge 813 00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,760 Speaker 1: grade on him, he would have been a top fifteen 814 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: pick um And and it's proved really through his career 815 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: he was he was worth the other one. The other one, 816 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: I would compare Bruce Um watching this kid just and 817 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: and he's gonna run much faster than Antonio Brown. But 818 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: Antoni just movement wise, when you watch Antonio Brown looks 819 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 1: like he's moving at a different speed game speed wise. 820 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: This kid, I went back and watch him against Georgia 821 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: last year, working against DeAndre Baker, who I think is 822 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: one of the best corners in this draft class, and 823 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: it's just like he's just it looks like a rowboat 824 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: trying to catch up to a speedboat. It's a it's 825 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: a different level of juice. Well that I like, you know, 826 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: obviously he's not not as big as Antonio either, But 827 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 1: the thing that I think is a common thread. They're 828 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: both South Florida kids who are lost in the recruiting 829 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: shuffle for a while. And I think when you're that size, 830 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: no matter how fast you are, and obviously, like you said, 831 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: he's ill time way faster than Antonio, but he they 832 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: both have that chip on their shoulder that I think 833 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: is obviously critical if you're gonna try to survive in 834 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: the NFL at that size. I just think that because 835 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 1: he was, uh you know, he he always showed up 836 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: in these games. The Alabama game is unfortunate because he 837 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: was so banged up that they really felt like he 838 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: was gonna they could exploit a lot of mismatches against 839 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,760 Speaker 1: the Alabama secondary, which eventually obviously Clemson did. But uh, 840 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, again, like I said, I'm a little surprised 841 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: just because he when people see him in personally, Man, 842 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: he's small. Um, but he's but he is. He's got 843 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: a gear that's rare, right, no question. Yeah, it's gonna 844 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: be interesting evaluation. We talked about receiving corps. To me, 845 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, you're building like basketball teams, so you want 846 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: to have a variety of dudes. Now you're gonna want 847 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: to have some bigger guys. They can do some of 848 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: those things on third down in the red zone. He's 849 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: not gonna quite give you, um, but man, he's he's 850 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: your point guard because that's uh, that's a valuable piece 851 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: to having an offense get you're looking for explosive plays. 852 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 1: He's going to give you that in uh and plenty 853 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: of it. Last one here and and I'll let you move. Uh. 854 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: Andre Dillard tackle from Washington State. I know you know 855 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,399 Speaker 1: him quite well. Um. I caught some eyeballs and when 856 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: I had him raided as highly as I did, But 857 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: I just thought past protection wise, he's the best. He's 858 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: the best past protecting left tackle. I thought that I 859 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: studied all these tackles in this draft class, and I 860 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: think there's room for him to grow. I think there's 861 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: more in front of him. I think he's a special athlete. 862 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: I think he's a darn good football player. I thought 863 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 1: he held himself, handled himself really well during the week 864 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: of practices down there in Mobile. Gave up a sack 865 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: in the game, wasn't wasn't his best there. But but overall, 866 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: I think he's a really really good player that not 867 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people know about. Yeah, his story is 868 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: really interesting. About a month or so, I did a 869 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,720 Speaker 1: piece about why it's so hard to evaluate oligneman and 870 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: he is a great example of it, just because when 871 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,879 Speaker 1: he was a two or low three star recruit coming 872 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: out of high school in Washington, said, Mike Leach is 873 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: always gonna take five Olignemen and so you can gamble more. 874 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 1: And they gambled on that kid because he was six 875 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: four to forty. And the guy who recruited him, Claim McGuire, 876 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: who's now at Texas State, was his old line coach, 877 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: and he said, I went to see him lunch to 878 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: his old school. You know he do. We'd already say 879 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: find him, and I'm like looking at him, like, man, 880 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: he hasn't gained an ounce, And so they were worried 881 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: when he showed up but then eventually, you know, he 882 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: put on the way he read shirted and claim a Wire. 883 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: I think he's going to run in the four eights 884 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 1: or low four nines in Indy and he's got really 885 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: good feet. I think one of the things from talking 886 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: to coaches in the pack twelve and we do a 887 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 1: bunch of back twelve games at fox Um, you heard 888 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: how much better they thought he got this year. He 889 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: had claim of Wire for three years and this year 890 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 1: he had Mason Miller was a new old line coach there, 891 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 1: and I think the ability just for him to anchor Um. 892 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: They tweaked his stance some of those things that that 893 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: you heard he got better at UM. I think he's 894 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: obviously got a lot of experience. Is just you know 895 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: how many Bruce Bruce, the old line coach that he 896 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: had list last year is a kid, is a guy 897 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:57,399 Speaker 1: that came from from Nevada, right yeah, yeah, So this 898 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: was because when you watched him, it's noticeably different than 899 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: the tradition in a leech offensive lineman where they're always 900 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: in vertical sets and which is me and there's take 901 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: taking a step straight back, which is going to be 902 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 1: challenging to play that way at the NFL level, there's 903 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: a couple of line coaches that will teach it, but 904 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 1: not many. Um and I saw when I watched him 905 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: a lot more traditional sets and it was not typical 906 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: of the Leech offense. So you could tell there had 907 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 1: been a little bit of a change there in the 908 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,879 Speaker 1: offensive line, which will benefit this kid going forward, because 909 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 1: that was a knock on a lot of these air 910 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,919 Speaker 1: raid tackles. Was Man, that's a big adjustment. They've never 911 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,760 Speaker 1: had to take a traditional set. They've always been vertical 912 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: set guys. So uh that that to me was will 913 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: really help him with teams in the evaluation process. And 914 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, he's just a very fluid athlete. They knew 915 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: he was. I think they knew, you know, genetics wise. 916 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: His dad was was was a big guy who was 917 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 1: also a college football player. They were they were encouraged 918 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 1: by that. Um. You know, what's what's interesting is there's 919 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: another guy who's i think two years younger on the 920 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: Washington State roster, Abe Lucas, who's on the other side, 921 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: who's six eight, who they think has maybe even more potential. 922 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: He's even bigger, he's even longer, uh, maybe almost as 923 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,240 Speaker 1: athletic too. So that's the name to remember. But again, 924 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: you know people in Pullman, I mean this is this 925 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: is the example where it's like, where did he come from? 926 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: They roll the dice, sometimes roll the dice and the 927 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: kid just never develops. This one sounds like he's going 928 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,799 Speaker 1: to develop it. Possibly a high first rounder. Yeah, how 929 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: about that? Well, Bruce, I've taken way too much of 930 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: your time. Um, I could sit here and can I 931 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 1: pick your brain on one guy who I like? I 932 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: don't know for fits? We did we we must have 933 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: done Washington five times this year. I think I saw 934 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: them in person five or six times. I'm a believer 935 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: in Miles Gaskin. I know he's not very big. Um, 936 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 1: could he do what Philip Lindsay did? So that's exactly. 937 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because I was talking to 938 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: a UH personnel executive last night and that's the name 939 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: that came up. His names come up with another general 940 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 1: manager that I've talked to. I've done him and I 941 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: liked him. You know. It was it was interesting because 942 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: I said to this general manager at the Senior Boy, 943 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: I said, Myles Gaskin is going to get the Philip 944 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,399 Speaker 1: Lindsay bump. He's a four year ultraproductive pack twelve kid 945 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: who's not gonna be real big, who's gonna probably run 946 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,359 Speaker 1: pretty fast. Um, he's gonna get the Philip Lindsay bump 947 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: because the league missed on Philip Lindsay. So that was 948 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 1: the exact same comparison I made in terms of I 949 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 1: love the kids quickness to stop start quickness. Uh, he 950 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: just really really instinctive. He's patient. They use him kind 951 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: of in the Wildcats stuff there as you know, uh, 952 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: just really good with the ball in his hands. Now, 953 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: I actually thought Philip Lindsay had a little bit more 954 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: power to him. Um, you know, even though he don't 955 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: have the big body type of I thought he had 956 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: a little bit more strength. But I think he's gonna 957 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: get the bump. Now. That bump, to me is probably 958 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: I would say the high water mark would be the 959 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: fourth round. Um, and I would say probably you're in 960 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: between the fourth and sixth round is where he ends 961 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,439 Speaker 1: up going. Ultimately, I feel like a year from now, 962 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm sitting watching a game and go, hey, they that 963 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: kid who who looked like he was like, what a 964 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 1: hundred two? He just ran for a thousand yards? Good 965 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: from good from LA and he was like, yeah, that's 966 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,800 Speaker 1: always ever done. He was almost always the best player 967 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: in every game. And I think even when he even 968 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,799 Speaker 1: when they played Ohio State, you know, I think he 969 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,760 Speaker 1: was better than the Ohio State running back. You know, 970 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 1: I'm not a big I'm not a big Mike Webber fan, 971 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: so he's ahead of him on my list. The problem though, 972 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: Bruce Myles Gaskin, when I was watching all the running backs, 973 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 1: he came up right after my app State guy. So 974 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,919 Speaker 1: you know what, when I once I saw Jalen Moore, 975 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: I was it's it's hard to come in after that. 976 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,879 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that Penn State Jalen Moore, 977 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 1: if he's healthy. You know he was had that injury 978 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,919 Speaker 1: and um couldn't couldn't participate there in the Senior Bowl. 979 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,399 Speaker 1: But he is really good. I went back and watch 980 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: that Penn State game. It was tough to watch the 981 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 1: end of it, but uh, he was really really good 982 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: against that against that group. So, uh, it's a it's 983 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: a really good group of running backs. It is a 984 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: deep crop. I don't think there's a not a Todd 985 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,839 Speaker 1: Gurley or Ezekiel Elliott in this group. I love Josh 986 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: Jacobs but uh, I think it's it's a deep group. 987 00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 1: I think it's the value is going to be in 988 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 1: that third four round range in this draft. Yeah, it's funny. 989 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: We did the I c D your your cohort in NFL. 990 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: I did the NFL p A Bowl and it was 991 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: like West Hills. He loves that dude. Man, he showed 992 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,359 Speaker 1: up the Senior Bowl. Charles is all over him. Yeah, 993 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 1: I'm telling you he was. He was. He loved his perspective. 994 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Clinton Portis was the running back coach for 995 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,280 Speaker 1: his team in that game, he was like, he's definitely 996 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: an NFL player. I was like, why he goes because 997 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 1: he's hungry, and you know, it's funny. It's like, you know, 998 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,799 Speaker 1: the the aunt who recognized the other aunt. You can 999 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: don't wonder when like, you know, sometimes we're gonna go 1000 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: talk about you know, he's runs patient, he does this, 1001 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,799 Speaker 1: he does that, and Clinton Portis is around the week 1002 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: He's just kind of looking at his eye and goes out, 1003 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: that's an NFL running back. You know, he had the 1004 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 1: first at the Senior Bowl. He first carry he hunted 1005 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: up Traill Hanks. I don't know if you saw the 1006 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 1: lineback from Mexico State. It was the Loud's Collision of 1007 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: the week. Yeah, I mean that's what CD you know 1008 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 1: to CDs credit. He brought that up in our pre game, 1009 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: and you know, just an interesting you know, he's another 1010 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,799 Speaker 1: New Jersey kid who turned out to be a really 1011 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: good football player, and you know, because he's from a 1012 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 1: small high school, ended up ended up at Delaware and 1013 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,840 Speaker 1: then ended up at Slippery Rocks. So I don't know, 1014 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to, I don't want to football your 1015 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 1: time on that, but no, it's I just thought it 1016 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,440 Speaker 1: was gonna be fun to watch what happens with some 1017 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: of these kids. Well, we're gonna get you on here again, 1018 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: hopefully a couple more times here before we get to 1019 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 1: the draft, because we can just bounce ideas off on 1020 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,399 Speaker 1: these players and continue to learn more and more about him. 1021 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 1: It's it's my favorite time of the year. Man, Bruce, 1022 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,839 Speaker 1: you've been you're the best. Appreciate your time and we'll 1023 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: catch up with you soon. Thanks for the commord. It's 1024 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: always a pleasure. DJ I hope, Yeah, it sounds good there. 1025 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 1: He is a great Bruce Feldman, nobody better, uh be 1026 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: best in the business. And again check him out on 1027 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 1: the athletic if you don't subscribe by highly highly highly recommended. 1028 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 1: All right, buck Well, there you go, get a chance 1029 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,400 Speaker 1: to uh to hear that chat with Bruce. I know 1030 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,879 Speaker 1: you've you've already heard it. So what would you would 1031 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,200 Speaker 1: you take away there? I think the big thing like, 1032 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: obviously I'm always fascinated by the stuff that comes out 1033 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: with Nick Saban in the comparison with Belichick and all 1034 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 1: the other stuf. But the things that you guys discussed 1035 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,800 Speaker 1: at the end where you talked about the Philip Lindsay 1036 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:10,160 Speaker 1: bump um. How often does that happen in the scouting 1037 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 1: business where the year before someone that you kind of 1038 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: lukewarm on you don't go get so the next year 1039 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: a prospect that exhibits some of those similar qualities you 1040 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,239 Speaker 1: go all in on. And I'm gonna tell you a 1041 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 1: funny story. When I was in Seattle, it may have 1042 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,960 Speaker 1: been my second or third year, it was the draft 1043 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: with Antoine randall Ll. Antoine randall Ill at the Senior 1044 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,359 Speaker 1: Bowl was dazzling. He was a quarterback, but he did 1045 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: some things where he called punts. He did some wide 1046 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,719 Speaker 1: receiver stuff at the Senior Bowl and Mike Honegren was 1047 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 1: fascinated by him, we didn't take him. He goes and 1048 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 1: has a pretty solid rookie year doing some gadget stuff 1049 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 1: for the Pittsburgh Stealers. The next year, Seneca Wallace is 1050 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,719 Speaker 1: in the draft. Seneca Wallace is a guy that we 1051 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,880 Speaker 1: took because of Antoine Randall L and early in Seneca 1052 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 1: Wallace's career with the Seahawks, he returned punts, he played 1053 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 1: a little slot wide out, He did a lot of 1054 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,440 Speaker 1: little things before he kind of became like the journeyman quarterback. 1055 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,359 Speaker 1: But because we missed out on Antoine Randall L, we 1056 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: went back and tried to get a random L clone 1057 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 1: in Seneca Wallace. I think we're going to see that 1058 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,800 Speaker 1: happened this year, the Baker Mayfield effect, uh Darius Leonard, 1059 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,719 Speaker 1: some of the other guys, Derwin James, guys that people 1060 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,520 Speaker 1: passed on for whatever reason. They're gonna go back and 1061 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,440 Speaker 1: try and find those guys that are quote unquote clones, 1062 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 1: and they're going to overdraft him to make up for 1063 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 1: what they didn't get this season prior, no doubt. I 1064 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,839 Speaker 1: think you're gonna see the bump. It's gonna happen. We 1065 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,279 Speaker 1: we saw it even a little bit with the Tyreek Hill. Right, 1066 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,840 Speaker 1: we saw with Tyreek Hill we had some tremendous speed, 1067 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,160 Speaker 1: but there was some question things off the field. And 1068 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 1: then Antonio Callaway, who if there's no Tyreek Hill. I 1069 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 1: don't know that Antonio Callaway gets draft it absolutely with 1070 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,839 Speaker 1: some of his issues. Um, but bid see the way 1071 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 1: Tyree Hill worked out so well, and and the same 1072 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,319 Speaker 1: guy that took both of them, um, he went back 1073 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,680 Speaker 1: to it. So John Dorsey ended up uh taking a shot. 1074 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,759 Speaker 1: They're taking a fire on Callaway there what the fourth 1075 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 1: round I think it was, and Calawait and Calabay performed 1076 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: very very well for them, uh emerged as maybe their 1077 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: second receiver behind Jervis Landry. So yeah, people would take chances. 1078 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,640 Speaker 1: The Baker Mayfield thing I think makes it easier for 1079 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,240 Speaker 1: people to take a Calin Murray even though Calin Murray 1080 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,399 Speaker 1: doesn't have the same physical dimensions. But because all those 1081 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,920 Speaker 1: guys are considered uh shorter quarterbacks, Calu Mury would get 1082 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,240 Speaker 1: the bump from Baker Mayfield going number one and playing 1083 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,719 Speaker 1: well because he plays in the same system at Oklahoma 1084 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,879 Speaker 1: that elevated Baker Mayfield. There's some people that are going 1085 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,440 Speaker 1: to elevating him just because they're like lucasall Baker Mayfield 1086 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,880 Speaker 1: do it, Why can't Calu Mury do it? No doubt 1087 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:55,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun to watch and see how this 1088 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,200 Speaker 1: thing all unfolds. There definitely is a copycat effect in 1089 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,960 Speaker 1: NFL scout Alright, Buck, staying on quarterbacks there for a second. 1090 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,760 Speaker 1: I know you had a chance to visit with Dwayne 1091 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,839 Speaker 1: Haskins down there at the super Bowl in Atlanta. Uh, 1092 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,040 Speaker 1: let's let's get the folks at home chance to to 1093 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,880 Speaker 1: listen to your conversation. Here you go, here's Bucky with 1094 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: the Buckeyes signal caller, joining the Move the six podcast 1095 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: by my Man Ohio State quarterback Dwayne Haskins. How's everything going? 1096 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,240 Speaker 1: That's going great? Man? Having a blast out here. You know, Dwayne, 1097 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,360 Speaker 1: like so many people are excited about your potential in 1098 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: the things that you've been able to accomplish. Just tell 1099 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,680 Speaker 1: me what were you able to learn about yourself during 1100 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: your final season at Ohio State. I got so much 1101 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,839 Speaker 1: word to do, you know. I feel like I get 1102 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 1: so much better going through every game. I learned something 1103 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 1: about myself. But I know that I got a ways ago, 1104 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,719 Speaker 1: but scared how good I feel like I can be, 1105 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,399 Speaker 1: you know, and and looking at your game at Ohio State, 1106 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: what would you say some of the things that you 1107 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,320 Speaker 1: bring to the table for an NFL team distributor just 1108 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 1: to be able to throw all over the field short, 1109 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,680 Speaker 1: in immediate, deep, and then be able to have time 1110 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,440 Speaker 1: and routes to deep routes. There's stuff that I can 1111 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: do all over the field to give an offensive very 1112 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,759 Speaker 1: good dynamic. Now, one of the questions that you were 1113 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: here as you continue to go thwart forward in the process, 1114 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,520 Speaker 1: or who are some of your role models? Who are 1115 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 1: some of the guys in the pros that you've pad 1116 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: in your game after a lot of guys, Um, I say, 1117 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 1: Drew bees is accuracy, Aaron Rodgers off platform, throws, um, 1118 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,799 Speaker 1: Tom Brady's leadership, the stuff that everybody does well, try 1119 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: to try to model into my game. I don't really 1120 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,480 Speaker 1: say with this one secific quarterback because everybody has the 1121 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,400 Speaker 1: own thing that you do well about this love I 1122 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 1: love this, love the game. You know, Like obviously haven't 1123 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 1: watched you since you were a teenager coming through the 1124 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,240 Speaker 1: camp circuit. I knew that you were a special player. 1125 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,399 Speaker 1: But if you had to tell people what is going 1126 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 1: to allow you to be a special player in the pros. 1127 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:38,359 Speaker 1: What would you say that one trade is a humble man. 1128 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: This is this knowing that I know that I have 1129 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,799 Speaker 1: recent surface of what I can be. I'm gonna keep 1130 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,799 Speaker 1: working hard, I'm gonna ge everybody around me better, and 1131 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,239 Speaker 1: just knowing that I'm gonna put myself every day. So 1132 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 1: then when we have an opportunity to visit with you 1133 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,080 Speaker 1: at the combine, what are some of the things that 1134 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 1: you want to show off at the combine to make 1135 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 1: people feel comfortable about you potentially being the number one 1136 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,479 Speaker 1: quarterback in this draft. Well, I'm gonna kill the board, 1137 00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,120 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna get on the board, coverages, protections. All 1138 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,040 Speaker 1: that I love that stuff can be able to do 1139 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,160 Speaker 1: on the interviews is showing that how the person outity 1140 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,120 Speaker 1: be in the fresh house quarterback. So that's all I 1141 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,320 Speaker 1: wanted to go do when I go to Combine and 1142 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,839 Speaker 1: show that. Well, you know, man, we're excited about you 1143 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,279 Speaker 1: watching you in this process. I can't wait to talk 1144 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 1: to you again. Hopefully we get a chance to visit 1145 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 1: again at the combat and I appreciate it. Buck. Thanks 1146 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,920 Speaker 1: all right, Buck? What was your what was your impression 1147 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,560 Speaker 1: they're gonna chance to visit with Haskins. I know, you 1148 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,319 Speaker 1: know him going back to high school, going back to 1149 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 1: high school, revisiting with him. I think the thing that 1150 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,600 Speaker 1: is going to happen at the combine, he is going 1151 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,640 Speaker 1: to wild people when he has the opportunity to meet 1152 00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,480 Speaker 1: with him high football like you, very smart, very cerebral. 1153 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,360 Speaker 1: When I asked him to question about the quarterback that 1154 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,919 Speaker 1: he patterned, he gave all the right answers. He talked 1155 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,920 Speaker 1: about Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers and the like. I 1156 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,080 Speaker 1: just believe that the more people get to know him 1157 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,960 Speaker 1: and the more they get the chance to get on 1158 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,719 Speaker 1: the board with him and to see where he is 1159 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,200 Speaker 1: when it comes to his football like, I think it's 1160 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,360 Speaker 1: gonna be easy for people to envision him being a 1161 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,319 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, and I expect him to not only be 1162 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 1: the first quarterback to come off the board, I think 1163 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 1: he's gonna go hired and many of us having picked 1164 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:06,080 Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, I know it's quarterbacks get pushed up, 1165 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 1: and sometimes that we think of that as a bad thing. 1166 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,920 Speaker 1: Other times, quarterbacks climb up. They don't get pushed up. 1167 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 1: They climb up. They impressed through the spring process, and 1168 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 1: it sounds like Dwayne Haskins is going to be one 1169 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,440 Speaker 1: of the guys that's that's able to get that done. 1170 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,320 Speaker 1: You had a chance while you're there to visit with 1171 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,319 Speaker 1: another Buckeye um and this guy, I believe probably gonna 1172 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,239 Speaker 1: go ahead of Dwayne Haskins, might be the first overall pick. 1173 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 1: In fact, probably the favorite to be the first overall pick. 1174 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,600 Speaker 1: And that's that's past Rusher and Nick Bosa. Here's Bucky's 1175 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,160 Speaker 1: chat with him at the super Bowl, joined on the 1176 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,360 Speaker 1: Move the Sticks podcast by Ohio State star Nick Bosa. 1177 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,880 Speaker 1: How is everything going. It's good. It's busy. It's a 1178 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,399 Speaker 1: busy weekend for me, but it's all going really well. 1179 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,680 Speaker 1: So you obviously ended your season shut because you had 1180 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,279 Speaker 1: an injury. How's rehab coming on your core injury. It's 1181 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,400 Speaker 1: pretty much coming to a close now. I'm just getting 1182 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,319 Speaker 1: back to really full confidence and what I'm doing so 1183 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,919 Speaker 1: putting up some good numbers and training so I'm ready 1184 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,160 Speaker 1: to go for the common. So now when we think 1185 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: about training, what are some of the things that you 1186 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,040 Speaker 1: were working on as the combine gets closer? Of course, 1187 00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,359 Speaker 1: the forty everybody loves to watch that and then get 1188 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,960 Speaker 1: the tests. I think I'll blow that thing out. So, um, 1189 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,279 Speaker 1: just all this stuff might not translate to football so much, 1190 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,600 Speaker 1: but I gotta do it, so I'm working harder, all right. 1191 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,359 Speaker 1: So now let's go back to the football field. When 1192 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,399 Speaker 1: we watched you on tape at Ohio State, you know, like, 1193 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,080 Speaker 1: what would you say the strong points are your of 1194 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:29,120 Speaker 1: your game on I think pass rushing obviously jumps out. Um, 1195 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:35,120 Speaker 1: just having good technique. Uh, I got good power speed. 1196 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,839 Speaker 1: We kind of like to switch up my moves, keep 1197 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,000 Speaker 1: people guessing and so naturally when when you're a guy 1198 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 1: that has been as accomplished as you've been, and people 1199 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,920 Speaker 1: think about Sundays, who are some of the guys that 1200 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,360 Speaker 1: you've watched outside of your brother that you may have 1201 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,200 Speaker 1: pattned your game after? Um, I like to watch Aaron 1202 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,280 Speaker 1: Donald what he's doing at from a three technique inside. 1203 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,440 Speaker 1: I think he's innovating that position a little bit. Um 1204 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,360 Speaker 1: de Marcus Lawrence, him Dallas, He's fun to watch. He 1205 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,239 Speaker 1: plays so aggressively. And the Cross Shop movie is is 1206 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,799 Speaker 1: this one that I definitely want to add to my game? So, 1207 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, so in thinking about that, one of the 1208 00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,320 Speaker 1: unique things about you. You're so good with your hands. 1209 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,279 Speaker 1: You do a great job of switching up. You got 1210 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,160 Speaker 1: counter tactics and moves. Where does that come from? Um 1211 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,879 Speaker 1: My coach coach at Ohio State, my d line guy, 1212 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,600 Speaker 1: coach Johnson. Uh, he really instilled the technique and showed 1213 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,520 Speaker 1: me what I needed to work on. And I think 1214 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,839 Speaker 1: from there it's just up to you to really, um 1215 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,439 Speaker 1: run with it. And I think me and my brother 1216 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,840 Speaker 1: have done a really good job of taking the techniques 1217 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,880 Speaker 1: that he's taught us and just using it and it works. 1218 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,040 Speaker 1: You know. So in thinking about your brother and your 1219 00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,080 Speaker 1: dad and your uncle all be in first round picks, 1220 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,600 Speaker 1: what is it about the Bolson name and the family 1221 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 1: where football is the family business? I mean when you 1222 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,480 Speaker 1: when you have my dad who was a first round pick, 1223 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,520 Speaker 1: and then my mom's brother who's the next year sixteenth pick. 1224 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,680 Speaker 1: To the doll funds, I mean, obviously those genes are 1225 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,839 Speaker 1: gonna create something that somebody who could play play ball 1226 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,520 Speaker 1: pretty well. So I mean I gotta thank them for 1227 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,640 Speaker 1: the genes. But um, you could have great genes and 1228 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,759 Speaker 1: you could not put them to work. And um, I've 1229 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,440 Speaker 1: really I've been working hard in my whole life for this. 1230 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,360 Speaker 1: So when it comes to competitiveness as a scale, we 1231 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,840 Speaker 1: love legacy. And so the fact is your brother win 1232 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 1: a few years ago when the top players in the draft. 1233 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,320 Speaker 1: How competitive is that battle between you and he when 1234 00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,080 Speaker 1: it comes to what you guys able to do on 1235 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,640 Speaker 1: the field. Um, I don't know if it's competitive as 1236 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,960 Speaker 1: and just trying to beat each other. I think it's 1237 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,920 Speaker 1: just trying to be the best that we could be together. 1238 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 1: And uh, I think next year joining him in the NFL, 1239 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,680 Speaker 1: and it might get a little more competitive now that 1240 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,280 Speaker 1: we're at the same league, same level. It'll be interesting 1241 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,360 Speaker 1: for sure. Well, one thing that has been a great 1242 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,800 Speaker 1: experience has been sitting down and talk with you. Haven't 1243 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 1: watched your game from afar. I have studied you on tape. 1244 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm in love with everything that you do. Best of 1245 00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,240 Speaker 1: luck to you going forward. I look forward to catch 1246 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,000 Speaker 1: it up with you again at the time. Yeah, thanks 1247 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,440 Speaker 1: for having me. Well there you go, Black. I mean 1248 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,600 Speaker 1: just even in the voice, you can kind of hear it, right, 1249 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,960 Speaker 1: I mean it just sounds just like his brother. I 1250 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 1: mean sounds just like him. Uh, look, more substance than sizzle. 1251 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,960 Speaker 1: But what I loved about him when I kind of 1252 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,520 Speaker 1: dug into the family business with he and his brother, 1253 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,000 Speaker 1: and you know, his uncle and his dad all be 1254 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,720 Speaker 1: in first round picks, and we're assuming that Nick bols 1255 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,200 Speaker 1: Is gonna be a first round pick based on where 1256 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,360 Speaker 1: he stands, is maybe the best player in the draft. 1257 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,720 Speaker 1: He talked about the family business and what he's learned 1258 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,680 Speaker 1: and the guys that he modeled his game after. I think, obviously, 1259 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,360 Speaker 1: each and every week you get a chance to see 1260 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,200 Speaker 1: his older brother, Joey Bosa do his deal on the perimeter, 1261 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,400 Speaker 1: and I think the similarities between the way they go 1262 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,120 Speaker 1: about their business, just from a technical standpoint, makes those 1263 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:49,080 Speaker 1: guys easy to embrace as the number one overall pick. 1264 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,520 Speaker 1: I just think Nick bos Is gonna have an outstanding career. 1265 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,440 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be disruptive and dominant at the 1266 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,320 Speaker 1: point of attack, and his past rushing prowess makes him 1267 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,000 Speaker 1: a guy that is going to be highly coveted regardless 1268 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,400 Speaker 1: of what he does at the combine. Yeah, no doubt, 1269 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,960 Speaker 1: he's uh. He's a fun player to watch. Hopefully he 1270 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,640 Speaker 1: is one chance to see him move around and and 1271 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,800 Speaker 1: kind of cement his status. If not the number one pick, 1272 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,480 Speaker 1: for sure a top five pick. In the upcoming draft. Uh, 1273 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:13,960 Speaker 1: the Buckey has got a good one there. I don't 1274 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,120 Speaker 1: know there's any more bosses coming though, so that's uh, 1275 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,520 Speaker 1: that's that's too bad for the Buckeys. I know, the guys. 1276 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,880 Speaker 1: Anything else you want to get to here? Buck I 1277 00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,360 Speaker 1: know it's been kind of a beefy show here, a 1278 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,520 Speaker 1: lot of interviews, but uh, I feel like I always 1279 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,960 Speaker 1: enjoy these episodes when I'm learning something, and I thought 1280 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,160 Speaker 1: all of our guests I was able to take something 1281 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,880 Speaker 1: away from it today, So I sure as heck enjoyed it. 1282 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,360 Speaker 1: But is there anything we're missing before we get out 1283 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:34,960 Speaker 1: of here? No? I mean I think I think we 1284 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,000 Speaker 1: kind of covered it all. I think as we continue 1285 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,880 Speaker 1: to get closer to the combine, I am excited to 1286 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,240 Speaker 1: kind of start putting these guys in buckets, kind of 1287 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,560 Speaker 1: starting some of the guys, letting the listeners know who 1288 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,720 Speaker 1: they should be looking forward to watching. At the combine. 1289 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna have all that coverage on the NFL UH 1290 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,840 Speaker 1: Network and NFL Media and all the outlets and stuff. 1291 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,040 Speaker 1: But I am excited about the combine. But I'm more 1292 00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,400 Speaker 1: excited to continue to dig into these prospects. Now. I 1293 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,720 Speaker 1: know there's doing a lot of research. You're watching tape 1294 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,439 Speaker 1: and doing some little projects. I'm excited decided to share 1295 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,840 Speaker 1: with all of our listeners here and in short order. 1296 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,760 Speaker 1: So fun time here. I can't appreciate you taking care 1297 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,200 Speaker 1: of business for us back there behind the glass. Uh, 1298 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:12,920 Speaker 1: that's going to do it for us today. I'll move 1299 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,640 Speaker 1: to sex. We'll catch you next time right here. Thanks 1300 01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:20,840 Speaker 1: for downloading Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 1301 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:25,720 Speaker 1: For more, go to NFL dot com Slash Podcasts