1 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: My guest today is actor and activist Alyssa Milano. Alyssa 2 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: has played iconic roles on shows like Charmed and Who's 3 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: the Boss, and in recent years, she's played an even 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: bigger role in political and social issues. She was an 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: early leader in the me too movement and made the 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: hashtag me to go viral on Twitter. She's also been 7 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: very involved in issues related to women's reproductive rights, voter rights, 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: and ending gun violence. Today I talked to Alyssa Milano. 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: She's very interesting. She's had an extraordinary life and journey, 10 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: and she's fearless in expressing her opinions and fighting for 11 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: what she believes is right. And I'm really excited for 12 00:00:53,760 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: this interview. In reading about you, I was realizing that 13 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: I grew up with you. That I mean, I you know, 14 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: we forget that people who become a reality for us 15 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: now that could be up here where idols when we 16 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: were kids. I mean, that show was my mother watching 17 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: and just like so invested, and you just don't think 18 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: about the lives of people are living behind that. So 19 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: now to hear all about what was going on from 20 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: then to now is actually just surreal. So very nice 21 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: to meet you. Nice to meet you to thank you. Yeah, 22 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: And I think that that was such a different time, 23 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: right because like we actually watched TV with our families 24 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: at that time. It's so true. It wasn't like you know, 25 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: kids were now where they're just on their phone the 26 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: whole time, when you know, it's very rare that I 27 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: sit down with my kids and watch something altogether as 28 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: a family. So I think it's so true. And there 29 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: were fewer choices and we were more focused, which is 30 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: a whole conversation in and of itself. Of course, I'm 31 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: aware of the impact that you've had on women and society, 32 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: and but in reading about you, you've been through a lot, 33 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: like just so many different not unlike myself, so many 34 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: different things on your journey stick out to me, whether 35 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: it's dyslexia or people using photos, I mean, using video 36 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: of you, nude video of you, just like it feels 37 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: like you've you're a fighter, or you've become a fighter, 38 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: or you're born a fighter. It just feels like you're 39 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: always sort of having to tackle something. Has that subsided 40 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: or is that just I know, I just think that 41 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: I've become more resilient, right, Like, I don't think I 42 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: don't think the chaos ever really really ends. And I 43 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: think that's true for everyone, although I think people have um, 44 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, relative to their lives, different types of chaos. 45 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: But I am constantly amazed at how resilient people are 46 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: in general. Um. And you know, I have often thought like, 47 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: it's not that i'm it's not that I'm bummed that 48 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: I've had to overcome so much. It's it's feel like 49 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: that i'm that I'm almost um And I don't. It's 50 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: not numb. It's like I'm good in a I'm good 51 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: in a crisis situation. I think, what do you got? 52 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: What do you hit me? Let's go yeah. And it's 53 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: not until like later that I go, oh shit, like 54 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: I I went, I went through some stuff, you know, 55 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: it's like you get this warrior, this warrior instinct that 56 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: sort of takes over um. And for me, at least, 57 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: it's not until you know, well later where where I 58 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: realized how how that could have been a traumatic time right, 59 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: And many people can relate to that in their child 60 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: hoods and in their personal homes. But it feels like 61 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: for you, this was really going on in this industry 62 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: versus just in your in your home you know what 63 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like many people can go back, like me 64 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: to their crazy childhood and the things they shouldn't have 65 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: endured and think about that and how that's molded them. 66 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: But it sounds from what I've read about you that 67 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: this is really something that this that had occurred through 68 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: this path, this industry, if you had just lived a 69 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: quote unquote normal life with your family life, you wouldn't 70 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 1: have had this sort of journey. Yeah, I mean, this 71 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: industry is, it's it was not an easy industry to 72 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: grow up and for sure, you know, but I think, um, 73 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: what happens is is it kind of amplifies who you 74 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: would have been anyway, you know what I mean. Like, 75 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: you know, when I look at child actors that have 76 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: gone through should and made some uh maybe not smart 77 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: life choices, I think that would have been the case 78 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: no matter what they were doing in their lives. Um, 79 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: And so I don't I don't think that's untrue for 80 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: for my instance. I think, you know, it's and it's 81 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: getting better, but it's a very hard industry. I mean 82 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: when you think about like you know, I'm not an 83 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: ambassador for UNI stuff, and I travel the world to 84 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: make sure that that people aren't taking advantage of children 85 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: in the labor force. Right. And when you think about 86 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: like acting, music, entertaining, dancing, we expect so much of 87 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: our of our youth, um, and especially like acting, where 88 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: we're working and constantly surrounded by adults. It's like that's 89 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: what I fight against as a UNISETUFF ambassador, Like there's 90 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: no there's no real labor laws for child actors, right. 91 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking of I'm thinking of mcaulleague Culkin, I'm 92 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: thinking of Corey hey m who you you know you 93 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: tried to help. I'm thinking of so many kid to 94 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, Justin Bieber. I'm thinking of all these kids 95 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: with all this responsibility that the TikTok people, the Charlie 96 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: Demilio's and things like that. Can kids bear that responsibility? 97 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: Should this whole clock not start until later? And what's 98 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: the answer, what's the solution? How does it really get managed? 99 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: Because you don't know until something comes out of the oven, 100 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: when it's baked, what the damage has been, what the 101 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: It's true, Um, I think that I think that we 102 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: need to put in place more regulation. Um. But this 103 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: is true across the board in the industry. It's not 104 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: just with children, but it's also like like women, you know, 105 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: like I think about all the time, how if you 106 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: have if you have if you're shooting a movie with 107 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: a dog in it, you have someone from the humane 108 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: society off to the side making sure that that animal 109 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: is not being abused. That when women have to do 110 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: nudes scenes or simulated sex scene, there's nobody there to 111 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: make sure we're protected or we're okay. And I think 112 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: that that's true across the board in the business. I 113 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: think there should be more regulations for young people, especially 114 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: in you know, and we're in unions, so it shouldn't 115 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: be that hard to figure out how to oversee and 116 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: regulate and have some sort of protective oversight. But I 117 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: think it's necessary, I really do, because I mean, it's 118 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: a it's a long list of child performers that that 119 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: grew up and you know, came out of the oven 120 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:41,119 Speaker 1: and we're not okay right when you revitalize me too, 121 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: and kind of you know, took it to a stratospheric level. 122 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: Did you have any sort of subtle chess move planned? 123 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: Did you? Even though you may not have realized and 124 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: you I'm sure overshot the mark did you was there 125 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: something underneath saying like, wow, I have his feeling this 126 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: could be something or just feels like a wave that's crusting, 127 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: or or was it literally just shocking? I do. I 128 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: do think that there was a perfect storm going on 129 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: because if you look at like what led up to 130 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: the tweet going viral, it was the Access Hollywood tape, 131 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: and then the election, and then the Women's March, and 132 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: then all of them the silence breakers coming out about 133 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: Harvey Wine seen and then it was the tweet that 134 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: went viral. So if you look at the big picture, 135 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,239 Speaker 1: I do think it was like we were just primed 136 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: for uh an explosion of um of really communicating that 137 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: there is a serious problem. But I don't think I 138 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: ever thought but it would be as you know, as colossal, 139 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: and I don't you know. I remember a couple of 140 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: days after the tweet went viral, I got a call 141 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: from Sarah, my publicist, and she was like, do you 142 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: know do you know there was a woman named Toronto 143 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: Burke who's been doing this work that used me too 144 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: years ago, And I was like, no, please put me 145 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: in contact with her. And I think finding Toronto and 146 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: the life saving work she does with survivors was such 147 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: a relief for me because I didn't I didn't know 148 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: what to do. I was dealing with my own trauma 149 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: around sexual violence, so I didn't I didn't know how 150 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: to lead this this this moment, right and then here's 151 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:43,239 Speaker 1: this woman who had dedicated her entire life two survivors, 152 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, thank goodness, and I'll never 153 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: forget it because she said to me. I was on 154 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: the phone with her like four days after, and it 155 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: was just this this swell of it just felt really big, 156 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: and she said to me, how are you doing? And 157 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not okay. I am not okay, 158 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, because because the the the heartbreaking thing was 159 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: that I then became like if I looked at my 160 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: Twitter feed, it was all stories of sexual harassment and 161 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: violence and assault and people really sharing that part of 162 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: themselves with me. And I was still trying to figure 163 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: out how that made sense of my own body. Um 164 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: So to have someone like Toronto was amazing, but also, 165 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: like I remember, about a week after it went viral, 166 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: I got a call from my field officer from the 167 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: UNSF about Ethiopia and how Me too had had reached Ethiopia. 168 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: And for little girl students went to the authorities to 169 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: to say me too about one of their teachers. And 170 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: that was the moment where I realized that this was 171 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: so much, so much bigger than um then, than what 172 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: I could have ever imagined then like a Hollywood, Hollywood industry, 173 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: like scandals coming out. This was the world. This was 174 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: just this was this was the world. And they were 175 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: I think it was just ripe for for sharing. And 176 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: I think women were just that up and done. And 177 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: I think that we realized that the way in which 178 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: we had always been made to feel like we were 179 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: in competition with each other, it was like part of 180 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: the whole thing. So we wouldn't communicate around the water 181 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: cool like I just you know there there was so 182 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: much that made so much sense after that, and I think, 183 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, I still think we have a long way 184 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: togo mind you right, Well, it's it sounds like it 185 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: was the tipping point, But like many people experienced in 186 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: in business, you accepted the responsibility. You could have just 187 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: said something it went viral and not you know, taken 188 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: that scary wave. You said like I'm gonna, you know, 189 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: call this woman and I'm going to be part of 190 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: this and sort of lead it and and connect. You're 191 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: talking about connection the Ethiopia stories about just women really 192 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: connecting the glue, and that correspondent to communication, making this 193 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: sum greater than its parts. That's exactly right, and knowing that, 194 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: and knowing that we needed we needed that power, right 195 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: and also feeling like, you know, this can't we can't 196 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: just focus on the Harvey Weinstein's right. Oh no, I know, 197 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: it's funny because it's pockets, and it's almost weird that 198 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: it sort of became trendy, like let's just get every comedian, 199 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: let's get every producer, which makes perfect sense. But I 200 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: thought to myself, what about the hedge fund guys, what 201 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: about the sleazy lawyers? Like that, about the sports people? 202 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: Like it's weird that it's got these like pockets, Like 203 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: this is in right now, you know what I mean? 204 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 1: Because it was like that. It was like, this is 205 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: the week that we're gonna get Hollywood producers. Next week, 206 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: it's comedians, next week, it's chefs. Like it's funny, and 207 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: it did, and I think that was I think a 208 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: lot of that was that we all gave each other 209 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: the strength right to come out, and you know, I don't. 210 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to think anybody was, uh you know, 211 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: like it was a trend, like we were all hopping 212 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: on the bandwagon. I just know. I just mean, why 213 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: the lawyer, why what? Because even with the disasters, I 214 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: called them in or not in, which sounds counter and 215 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: do it. But like it's cool to be into Australia 216 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,359 Speaker 1: this week and talk about it when when when koalas 217 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: are covered in gasoline, But next week we're talking about Haiti, 218 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: So like we those animals didn't die last week, Like 219 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: it's very It's just that because it's back to what 220 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: we were talking about ten minutes ago, the cycle of 221 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: news and media and what they'll be covering. But the 222 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: problem still exists when the headlines fade. So so that's 223 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like we didn't talk about we never 224 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: got into hedge fund you know, or business finance guys. 225 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: We just didn't go down that road because the minute 226 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: one pops open, the whole thing will pop open. And 227 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: I think that that's still an industry that you know 228 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: is is really acted by sexism and misogyny. So you know, 229 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: I think it money money exactly. You know, the bigger 230 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: the money, the power up yeah, yeah, Um, that's wild. 231 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: The whole thing is really crazy. Do you, um, you 232 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: know you've more than brushed with politics and been polarizing 233 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:24,239 Speaker 1: and opinionated and fearless and marching and talking, and um 234 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: do you you don't ride the line? You just always 235 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: I mean it seems like you just have the courage 236 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: of conviction. Um. Is that ever frightening? Is it ever 237 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: frightening as it pertains to your career? Do you ever 238 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: worry about that? And you know what ramifications has that had? 239 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: Like do you play it safe? Do you worry about 240 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: getting canceled? Like that whole bucket of you know, it 241 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: being unpopular now to have an opinion. I hate the 242 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: term getting canceled because I feel like we're not canceling 243 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: people were holding people a pountable for missteps, right, and 244 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: it's usually in a very public manner, And I feel 245 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: like instead of calling people out, we should call people 246 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: in and have these tough conversations. And part of me 247 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: feels really, you know, because the if we're talking about 248 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: like politics, there have been moments in my political activism 249 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: where the left has been just as hard on me 250 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: as the right, maybe even more so because of one 251 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: of their own right, like, and I think that those 252 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: moments are important. And I think being able to to 253 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: have those moments in a very public way and be 254 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: able to say publicly, you know, like Lizzo just went 255 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: did this the other day when there is a word 256 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: in one of her songs that people felt were ablest, 257 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: And she went in and she re recorded the word, 258 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: put out the single again and she said, you know, 259 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: than for the opportunity to learn and grow, I did 260 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: it publicly publicly. Uh that word I used as ablest, 261 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: And I think to be able to do it publicly 262 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:15,479 Speaker 1: and and I don't even know what that means, ablest 263 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: is like, um, it's it's like when you have prejudice 264 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: against uh, people who have data disabilities. Oh okay, it's 265 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: you know it's yeah, um so yeah. So so you know, 266 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: to be able to do to do it in a 267 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: public way, I think is important because maybe we get 268 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: to set the tone of how to say, you know what, 269 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: you're right, this was, this was not and to do 270 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: so with grace and with an open heart. Um. As 271 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: far as my career goes, like I grew up in 272 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: a different time in this in this industry where we 273 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: didn't really separate our politics with uh, with our work, right. 274 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: It was it was Audrey Hepburn and uh, you know, 275 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: Jane Fonda, and it was Patricia Arquette, actually all the 276 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: art kids and um, George Clooney, who was incredibly political, 277 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: politically active, and uh, you know, like big movie starts 278 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: had had political opinions. And I think what happened was 279 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: is that you know, the the the the right started 280 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: to realize that that was something that they could be 281 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: a part of, and so tried to dismiss our opinions 282 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: by saying things like stay in your lane, like you're 283 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: an actress, what do you know? Um? And and honestly, 284 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: I don't know one entertainer who hasn't come from like, no, 285 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: very few entertainers come from entertaining family is or have 286 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: you know? Most of us used or as a way 287 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: to get out of poverty. So most of us have 288 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: really strong opinions about you know, the world. No. Yeah, 289 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: And also like I don't think poor people should have 290 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: to start I don't know, right, Like I just don't 291 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: be coming from a family of you know who who's 292 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: whose grandparents were on food stamps, Like I don't think 293 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: that anyone deserves to to starve and and maybe the 294 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: government should help out for those that are struggling. So 295 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just kind of go with it. 296 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: And I think that maybe you know, it's impacted like endorsements, UM, 297 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: it's probably impacted commercial opportunity. UM, But I don't think 298 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: it's you know, I don't think that translates to UM. 299 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: I don't think the year of people who are hiring 300 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: me translates to uh, real life because you know, like 301 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: the like Brazen, which was a movie I did from Netflix, 302 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: which you know, I carried the whole thing, I did 303 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: all the publicity. Um, it was the number one movie 304 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: on Netflix for a long time. So people and globally globally, 305 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing that people underestimate, is 306 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: that what I'm fighting for people globally understand and so 307 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: they go, oh, like she's she's fighting for you know. 308 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: So it's it's almost like that quote they thought they 309 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: were burying me, but they were really planting a seed. Right. Wow, 310 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: that's deep. That's interesting and so yeah. So yeah, so 311 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: I just I think it's I think, you know, I 312 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: can't separate it. I can't UM. And I started my 313 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: activism started when I was fifteen, when I was on 314 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: like the height of Who's the Boss when it was 315 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: like a top ten show, and um Ryan White, who 316 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: was HIV positive. UH and I became friends and we 317 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: sort of bonded on this idea of being mothered um 318 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: and and he asked if I would go on TV 319 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: with him to kiss him, to prove that you couldn't 320 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: get HIV and from casual contact. And I did that fifteen, 321 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: and you know what, my life changed because I was like, 322 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you you that moment when you realize 323 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: because you do so much at moment when you realize, like, oh, 324 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: like I can actually have an impact here, I can 325 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: actually change things. And once you open Pandora's box and 326 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: you know that you can't unsee what you've seen, you 327 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: can't unknow what you know, and you know that you 328 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: could do it, so you have to do it. You 329 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: have to do it. So that's how I felt since 330 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: I was fifteen years old. That's amazing. It's just continue 331 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: to fight for for those that have no voice, and 332 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: it's been my my most fulfilling work in my life. 333 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: And I think it's more important to me than how 334 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:25,479 Speaker 1: many endorsements I get or or you know, it's blessed 335 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: to be in that position to be able to say 336 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: that and people come to you because they want you, 337 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: even if it's an issue that's not really something that 338 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: you quote unquote specialize in. You know, like people when 339 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: there's a crisis in Cuba, people were coming to me 340 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: to help when there was nothing we could actually do 341 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: in that situation. Like there's not every single crisis is 342 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: something that I could actually be helpful. And but you've 343 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,479 Speaker 1: all these are great example where people were saying that, obviously, 344 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: it's nothing I can do to help these people's grief. 345 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: And I'm not like you. I'm not that educated in 346 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: gun violence. And that doesn't mean I couldn't become It 347 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: just means it isn't exactly the road that I've taken 348 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: in relief for so we we raised money and distributed 349 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: money for the families, which is a drop in the bucket, 350 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: but just to do something to touch it. But it's 351 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: not not every single thing is something that I dive 352 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: all the way into, because then you would, you know, 353 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: we all have our areas where we're sort of can 354 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: make the greatest impact. And it sounds like you have 355 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: really found doors and people probably rely on you and 356 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: when something happens, they want you to do something about it, 357 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: even if it's you know, something that you may not 358 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: even necessarily do per se. Yeah, And I think the 359 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: most rewarding part of it for me is is like, 360 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, going going to take a class and really 361 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: trying to understand, Like after me too happened. I took 362 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: a feminist class from you see Santa Cruz because I 363 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: was like, I don't even know really what the history 364 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: of women's rights. I mean, I know about like the 365 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: monumental moments right like you know Ruby Wade, I know, um, 366 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: you know the e R A and the nineteam Amendment 367 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: and all of that, but I don't I didn't really 368 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: understand the history of abortion. Um. And so that's the 369 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: stuff that I don't know. If you could keep learning, 370 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: that's exciting, yeah, you know. And when when I was 371 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: fighting against gun violence, um, after Parkland, I took a 372 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: class about the constitution because I was like, if I'm 373 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: going to fight and people are going to use the 374 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: Second Amendment as the argument for guns, I better figure 375 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: out what the argument is constitutionally against the guns. And so, 376 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: you know, I take a lot of pride, and I 377 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: think that that's why people trust me. And I think 378 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: that's why organizations and grassroots organizations that are on the 379 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: ground and ask me for help, is because I actually 380 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: do try really hard to understand that issue. Um and 381 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: and and I trust people who are closest to the 382 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: pain m to teach me. I love that. I love 383 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: that I didn't know that, and I think that's great 384 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: and that makes a lot of sense because there are 385 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: a lot of things that I'd like to do. It's 386 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: hard to find the time to do everything. But this, 387 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: this recent tragedy was really it was it was crazy, 388 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: just like Sandy Sandy hook um, which just certain things 389 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: like really hit you in your lifetime. And it's just 390 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: been a horrible, horrible, horrible thing to even I mean 391 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: that we that we live in a country where are 392 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: quote unquote Second Amendment rights right to bear arms. People 393 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: like to ignore the well regulated part of the Second Amendment, 394 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: but that you know, the fact that we live in 395 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: a time where it seems as though that is more 396 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: important than a baby's life. It's crazy, a technical technicality, 397 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: it's devastating. It it's horrible. UM. So I thought, in 398 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: reading about you remember I'm I just do research and 399 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: look up things online. I don't know, and maybe they're 400 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: not all true. So in um, you not relaying a name, 401 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: that's an interesting choice. I understand it, and I want 402 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: to know. Is that about that it was a different 403 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: time and not ruining someone's life? Is it about not 404 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: wanting to like? What is it? What's what's? Would you 405 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: make that choice today? Do you still make that choice that? 406 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't understand that whole topic, and 407 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: I want to kind of understand it. We're talking about 408 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: this is about your abewser right, the situation on a 409 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: movie where someone took advantage of you the producer. The 410 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: producer didn't protect you, but whoever the successful person was, 411 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: who as a full life you didn't quote unquote out 412 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: them correct? And I think, I don't know. I think 413 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: it's it's up to the woman, like how much they 414 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: want to share about trauma right and in their own 415 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: time for their own reasons. I think is how much 416 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: or how little or whatever feels right, you know? And 417 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: I think that naming someone is has got to be 418 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: about like what what the survivor is comfortable with with 419 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: opening up? And I think for me instead of naming someone. 420 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: It was more important for me to kind of work 421 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. And what what I've been doing is 422 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: working with SAG after on the Sexual Harassment Committee, um, 423 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: to try to protect women in the future from that 424 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: ever happening again. But you know this, this person has 425 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: a family, and I just I didn't feel like it 426 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: was I had the strength or or the understanding of 427 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: how to even come forward and name him. Like I 428 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: knew I could come forward and stand in solidarity with 429 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: with women who had experienced this, but I didn't. I 430 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: didn't and I still don't feel like I can name him. 431 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: Do you think do you have any indication that he 432 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: knows that it's him and that for sure, Oh, he 433 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: knows it's him. And has he ever apologized or has 434 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: there been any closure in any way or acknowledgement? No? No, 435 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: but he has been caught um in in other uncompromising positions, 436 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: so um yeah, so um, you know, I think serial 437 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: abusers or cereal abusers and um and look, I'm just 438 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying to live my life with as much grace 439 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: as possible and trying to heal and I just didn't 440 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: feel like I don't feel like that would be uh, 441 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: indicative of of who I am. Interesting. Interesting, Interesting. I 442 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: was trying to put myself in that position and thinking 443 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: about that, um, and we do so much so publicly 444 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: now it's like it's like nothing is Is that what 445 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: the whole thing was about with Harvey and all these 446 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: people and and them being sort of Didn't that mean 447 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: that they all had to take accountability? Doesn't the person 448 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: not take accountability if they don't get quote unquote caught. 449 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: I think that what what all of it was about 450 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: is showing society that this is a real issue. Only 451 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: one percent of humans don't get away with it. So 452 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: and I think that's why women don't report, right. It's 453 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: because it's always he said, she said thing, And I 454 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: think it's got to be a woman's got to really 455 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: think it's it's right to be able to come forward, 456 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: um and name someone. But I think the beauty of 457 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: me too is that we didn't have to name people. 458 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: We could just show the power and numbers and people 459 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: could say it's I mean, you know, I was getting 460 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: phone calls like my friend from twenty five years and 461 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: I had no idea. My best friend just called me 462 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: and said me too, and I had no clue. You know, 463 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: And I think that that was the important thing of it, 464 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: is that society couldn't look away because the numbers were 465 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:42,239 Speaker 1: so colossal, right, and that's definitely prevented it that that 466 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: is obviously preventative. Oh yeah, and and now we get 467 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: to write policy, we get to legislate, we get to um, 468 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, hold hold men accountable and other other industries. Um. 469 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: And so I think you know, me, me naming the 470 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: person who abused me, it wasn't wasn't going to propel 471 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: all of that and probably just just it would be 472 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: about that, not about the whole thing. Yeah, And I'm 473 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: by the way, how are we sick of it? Of 474 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: the these stories being about the perpetrators and not like 475 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: the survivors or the victims. And that was the power 476 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: of of me too? Is it took the focus away 477 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: from Harvey Weinstein and everything he had to lose. Like 478 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: if I had to watch one more news segment of 479 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, how do you Weinstein losing his business or 480 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: losing his and like, okay, how about how about the 481 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: women who lost their entire careers in the prime of 482 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: their careers in an industry that's not kind to women 483 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: after a certain age how about how about we shift 484 00:30:53,440 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: the narrative a little bit. Right, Well, I can't help 485 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: but think you must have been you must have had 486 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: some emotional reaction to the whole Johnny depth Amber heard 487 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: trial right, like you know, must have had ups and downs. 488 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: I mean I was very vocal about thinking, like you know, 489 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: it was interesting. He was made to be this sort 490 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: of hero during that process, which I thought was misguided. 491 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: She was made she was, I don't mean made to 492 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: be I don't I don't know the truth. There's this 493 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: his hers and then the truth. I don't know how 494 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: much media played. I don't know how much she lied 495 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: or didn't it lie. But I'm saying that what came 496 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: out was that he was God and she was a liar. 497 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: And I wonder how someone you know, a the feeling 498 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: that you have about Oh well, if if she was lying, 499 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: then that set this whole thing back. If she was 500 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: telling any version of the truth and he got away 501 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: with this because he's a public person, then that's like, 502 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: I just want to know the whole stup that. Obviously 503 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: you're not a wizard. You don't know exactly what happened. 504 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: You watched what was shown. I think I think movements 505 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: are messy. I don't think that there is one like 506 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: linear line to get to where we're trying to get to. 507 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: I mean, that was definitely there are articles right about it. 508 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: That was definitely a moment about and abused, an alleged 509 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: alleged abused person coming out and people thinking one thing 510 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: for all these years. Then the pendulum totally swinging right 511 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: after a time where being a you know, a white 512 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: man in this country is not that popular, you know, 513 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: so like then all it just is interesting. They've they've 514 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: had their rain, you know what I mean, right, they 515 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: had plenty of time, right, Yeah, But no, no, I think, 516 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, I think I think we often look for 517 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: people at people like, uh, you know, people who are 518 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: quote unquote movement leaders for our opinions on things, And 519 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: I don't know that I necessarily have formulated what that 520 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: opinion is. And I also don't think it's fair to 521 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: put that on women, right, and one case and one case, 522 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: but also women like it's not fair to look to 523 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: Toronto Burke and for all of the answers, you know. 524 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: And I was getting calls from NBC News in the 525 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: Washington Post and it's like, look, I don't know I 526 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: don't know, and I think it's okay for us to 527 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: say that. Obviously, that's a very sad situation, and I 528 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: would definitely not want any of my friends to date 529 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: either one of them, thank you, because the water seeks 530 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: its own level. Like this is like I literally said, 531 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: he's the second Coming because he's compared to her. This 532 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: is not this is fit the shades of ship. Yeah, 533 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: I said, this is like, you know, because Drew Barry 534 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: were got in trouble for saying it was a seven 535 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: layer different Santiday. I'm like, she was, she was? It was? 536 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: She correct in sane it was a fifty seven layer 537 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: different sety like, well, well, yeah, I think I think 538 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: there's a movement to start to not use it. I 539 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: think she got in trouble because she was using the 540 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: word insane in a way that was deroga. So you know, 541 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: word words, words have weight. Um, a different generation obviously, 542 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 1: but yeah, so I don't know, and I'm still standing 543 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: by it. I think it was instead, I think the 544 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: whole thing was actually, these are not sane behavior. So 545 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: I actually am sticking with my fifty seven layers. Yeah, 546 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: I think this is all really tragic and awful and um, 547 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: but can we just stop looking at women to have 548 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: all the right answers, Like there's no movement that is perfect, 549 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: like we like, there's there's nothing that does not have 550 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: highs and lows. I mean when you're when you look, 551 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: especially women's movements, when there is a an entire your 552 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: system trying to knock us off a trajectory of equality 553 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: and sustainability and um, and when you look at that, 554 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: you we're gonna get bumped off the you know, to 555 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: use a hockey term term, We're gonna get bumped off 556 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: the puck quite a bit, right because because you know, 557 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 1: there's a there's a system at work that white men 558 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: in particular are benefiting from. Yeah, it's been going on 559 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: for a long time and hundreds of years, and they're 560 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: all in shock now. They literally are on shock. Um, 561 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: there's definitely a stunted nature right now in many cases, 562 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: but many many are just acting us out in the 563 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: same way. It's just an interesting it's an interesting dynamic. Um. 564 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 1: Do you so you're you've been public about uh dyslexia 565 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: and how does that affect you on you? Are you 566 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: involved in causes about it about like talking about children 567 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: and awareness and schools et cetera, because I know that's 568 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 1: one of that's and I was reading, I'm like, well, 569 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: she had a car crash last year, she's dyslexic, she 570 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: had two abortions with Scott Well, Like, I was like, well, 571 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,439 Speaker 1: this woman has you know she she kind of kicked 572 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: off the meto movement, like it was not what I 573 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: was expecting from, you know, the girl I watched on 574 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: Who's the Boss? Like, honestly, you know, I mean I 575 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: was like, whoa, there's a lot here with you in 576 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: in a very interesting way, but you're a strong bitch. Uh. 577 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: The dyslexia, I mean yeah, Like I I advocate for 578 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: children who learned differently. You know, I don't think of 579 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: it as a learning disability. I think of it as 580 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: a learning difference. And I think that, um uh, it 581 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: is important for me to show that you can, uh, 582 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: you can have everything and be successful and still have 583 00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: a learning difference. Yeah. I also think it's shaped really 584 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: who I am because I think that not only have 585 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: I had to overcompensate for my brain seeing things in 586 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: a different way, but also, um, I had to sort 587 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: of overcompensate with the stigma that comes attached to having 588 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: a learning difference. So I think part of my you know, 589 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: need and desire to continue learning and educating myself is 590 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: partly due to the fact that, you know, people maybe 591 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: think that people with learning differences or not smart. N 592 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: that's where I haven't heard that either. It's a couple 593 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: of words I haven't heard. I haven't heard learned. I 594 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:46,879 Speaker 1: haven't heard any words that sort of identify someone as 595 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: a complete like that that's their identity. So meaning you 596 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: want to say someone with a disability instead of a 597 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: disabled person, because saying someone's disabled means that that's their 598 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: entire identity. And also, if you think about how we 599 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: learn about you're right, it means they are not able, 600 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: like as a like. It's not it's not just one 601 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: thing that is part of their whole thing. It's a 602 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: great because I did not know that, he doesn't know 603 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: that it's his own. Yeah, that's interesting. So like prisoner, 604 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: you would never say prisoner, you would say someone who 605 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: is imprisoned. UM. There's a movement right now to change 606 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: the word homeless to unhoused. UM. Instead of saying a slave, 607 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 1: you say the enslaved. So you're you're keeping their humanity 608 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: and you know, it doesn't become about who they completely are. 609 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: But by the way, isn't this a good book for you? 610 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,240 Speaker 1: Like you could do it. You could do a chapter 611 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: on each just one of these terms, with like a 612 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: story or many stories, or like a background and what 613 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: they mean, what they should. Yeah, I think my book 614 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: is you know like that. Um. Yeah, it's a book 615 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: of essays about just my my activism and how I've 616 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: misstepped many times saying the wrong thing. And that's why 617 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: I think it's important to just have the conversation. Like 618 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: what you just did was so filled with Gray's like 619 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: I don't you know you were like, I don't know 620 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: what this word means. I don't know how I'm supposed 621 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: to say this. And I think the more we have 622 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: those conversations and the more we get to learned from 623 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: each other. And um, but again, my gold, that's interesting 624 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: because most people wouldn't say Most people think they're going 625 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: to feel stupid if they don't know what something is, 626 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: and then they'll end up saying the wrong thing and 627 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: then they'll actually be stupid, Like you know, you just 628 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: said a word able iss. I'm I'm a very smart, 629 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: successful woman. So you said that most people would just 630 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: let it roll and be like, I don't know what 631 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: you meant by that, but what if it happens every day. 632 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 1: I don't know what something means. I mean, it could 633 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: be something really ridiculous in like TikTok, but not knowing 634 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: what a fit is. I didn't know for to Remance 635 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: what that was an outfit. But it could be something 636 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: really important, like the word able us. Literally. I'm a 637 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: big believer. I'm a big believer of calling in instead 638 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: of calling out. And I think that we need to 639 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: get comfortable with having uncomfortable conversations, Like we need to 640 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: get comfortable with feeling uncomfortable. And my golden rule desany 641 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: is to listen to the people who are closest to 642 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: the pain. You know, I've had so many conversations with 643 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: people I love who are like, oh, like I can't 644 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 1: it's it's it's like the woke Olympics. I can't even 645 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: think about, Like this too much to think about. And 646 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but like if someone who had experienced 647 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: this was telling you that's hurtful, you have to listen 648 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: to those that are closest to the pain. That's a great, 649 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: it's great, that's really good, really fine so what is 650 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: your family life like I've read you live, you have 651 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of animals around, you have a lot of 652 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: at your own zoo at your house. I mean, what's 653 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: your what's your home life like? You're married? I'm married. 654 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: I've been married for am was fifteen years. Is he 655 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: still an agent and we allowed to talk about she's 656 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: not an agent. He started a management company called Range Media, 657 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: so he's a manager, producer creator. Now. Um, we have 658 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: two children, ten and seven. My little boys ten, and 659 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: I have a little girl who's seven. Um, and I 660 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,800 Speaker 1: live on five acres with nine horses and five dogs 661 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: and eight chickens and two bunnies. And my my brother 662 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,240 Speaker 1: and his wife and and my nephew lived two minutes away, 663 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: and my parents live five minutes away. And it's a 664 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: very um sort of close community family, uh, you know, 665 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: picking up each other's kids and just kind of doing it. 666 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: Were a village trying to make at work. But you 667 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: made a choice to live a suburban life but still 668 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: be nearer the mix. So I did the same thing. 669 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it was important for me once, 670 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,919 Speaker 1: especially once I had kids. I don't want my kids 671 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: to go to like, you know, private schools where there 672 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: were lots of rich industry kids that don't understand like 673 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 1: real life. Um okay. And then I guess the last 674 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 1: question I want to ask you was, uh, your rose 675 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: and your thorn of your career? My rose and my 676 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:41,919 Speaker 1: thorn of my career. I mean, I think we could 677 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: be the same, by the way sometimes they are. I 678 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: think my low was like after his boss was over 679 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: and I didn't know if I was going to ever 680 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: work again or what that meant, and so I did, 681 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of nudity in films to try 682 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 1: to like get people. I don't know that I was 683 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 1: doing this consciously at the time, but to sort of 684 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: break the the idea that I was this, you know 685 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,360 Speaker 1: girl next door, that that could only be a sitcom kid. Um. 686 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: So I would say that that was And it wasn't 687 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: really low. It was just like, I don't know what 688 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm doing. You really it wasn't necessary. Well, looking back, 689 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: maybe it was necessary, but I just didn't do that. 690 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,720 Speaker 1: Did it actually do that? I don't know. Maybe maybe 691 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: that's why I still have a career. I don't know. 692 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 1: I just know I just know it felt icky while 693 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: I was in the middle of it. You know, I 694 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: just felt like it just wasn't coming, but it did. 695 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: It is your rose too, because you wouldn't have had 696 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: all these me too, this this institution. That's true. That's 697 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:49,359 Speaker 1: absolutely true. Um And I would say my rose is 698 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: maybe happening right now. I feel like this is a 699 00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 1: really nice time from my life and career and writing 700 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: a lot and getting to develop. Well, it was like, 701 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: it's happening right now. Yes, it's that that too, that too, 702 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: that too. We wouldn't be happening this conversation if I 703 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: wasn't in in you know, a good place in my 704 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: life and my career. And and you know, I've admired 705 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: so much what you've been able to do in the 706 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:26,320 Speaker 1: way that you have used your power and your wealth, 707 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: uh and your knowledge to change people's lives. So yeah, 708 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,879 Speaker 1: so right now my career, I'm I'm developing a lot 709 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: of a lot of shows and getting to be creative, 710 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: and um, I feel like it's a much more it's 711 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: much more reflective of who I am as a person 712 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: than than my acting career. I love acting, but it 713 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: it feels like that's that's only utilizing a small part 714 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,399 Speaker 1: of my capacity and so um so to be able 715 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: to sit down and write a script, or to sit 716 00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,040 Speaker 1: down and work with producers and produce or re a 717 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: book and say, you know what, I'm gonna buy the 718 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: rights to this book and adapt it. That's all really 719 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: exciting stuff for me. And maybe maybe like I needed 720 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: to get to this point, uh the way I got 721 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: to it, but I kind of wish I'd gotten to 722 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 1: it a little bit earlier. Got there's a freedom in 723 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: the room where your career is in an honestly where 724 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: it is now. Yeah, and it's and it's comfortable. Acting 725 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: to me is very uncomfortable. It's it's I mean, you know, 726 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 1: I work very hard to like heal the parts of 727 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: me that are wounded, and then to have to go 728 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,800 Speaker 1: to set and like open back up those wounded parts 729 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: in order to cry in a scene or it's not, 730 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 1: it's not. It's not conducive to like healing. You're constantly 731 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: like picking at the scab when you're an actor, and 732 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 1: the good actors are the ones that are like, you 733 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: know what, I can't I can't do this anymore. It's 734 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 1: it's hurtful, like Daniel dan Lewis, who was like, you 735 00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: know what, I can't keep going like I'm losing myself 736 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:05,680 Speaker 1: because I'm I go so hardcore into someone else. Right. Wow, 737 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: thank you so much, Bethany, Thanks for always nice to 738 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: thank you to you give me so much hope. Thank you. 739 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 1: I have to say I do not know what to 740 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: expect from Melissa Milano. I knew I wasn't going to 741 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,919 Speaker 1: be speaking to a former child actress. I knew i'd 742 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: be speaking to an activist. But I just want to 743 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: say that she was amazing, Like that was a great conversation. 744 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,720 Speaker 1: I had the best time. I thought she was fun, funny, open, 745 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 1: I learned things. I think what she's doing is great. 746 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,879 Speaker 1: I think she's educated. I think she doesn't speak about 747 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: things she doesn't understand. So whether you agree with her 748 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: opinions or not, it doesn't really matter. She she has 749 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: a reason to have an opinion because she's she's done 750 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: her research on whatever is she's passionate about. I thought 751 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 1: she was terrific. And yes, actors and actresses do get 752 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,839 Speaker 1: sort of pigeonholed into, you know, stay in your own lane, 753 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,359 Speaker 1: which she said, and I think it's great that she's 754 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 1: not in her own lane. I think it's great that 755 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 1: she's in every lane because she's allowed to be in 756 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,840 Speaker 1: every lane because she's a person. So I thought that 757 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,839 Speaker 1: was a great conversation and I think it's amazing. Thank 758 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: you so much for listening to today's episode. I'm going 759 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,800 Speaker 1: down to Miami to shoot a new and exciting business 760 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,040 Speaker 1: show over the fourth of July holiday, and I'm going 761 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 1: to tell you about that really soon. We're going to 762 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 1: take a week break, so always please rate and subscribe. 763 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: It really does mean a lot to me, and I 764 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,200 Speaker 1: do read all of the reviews, so please keep them coming. 765 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 1: Have a safe and fun Fourth of July, and I'll 766 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,360 Speaker 1: see you back here for more. Just be soon with 767 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 1: more fun Rant's interviews and some new exciting announcements.