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Speaker 2: We all remember that during the first.

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Speaker 1: Trump administration, a lot of it was dominated by conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theories that were being.

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Speaker 2: Pushed by the left.

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Speaker 1: A lot of it was being driven by the deep

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk to someone who wrote the

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Speaker 2: The book is called.

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Speaker 1: The Rise of the Blue and on his name's David Harsani.

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Speaker 1: He also writes for the Washington Examiner. So we're going

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Speaker 1: David Harsani. Well, David, it's great to have you on

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Speaker 2: Obviously a lot to dig into.

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Speaker 1: You know, we were talking before we jumped in here,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me very much.

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Speaker 1: Well, so first, you know, kind of just a big picture,

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Speaker 4: Well, my takeaway is that this wasn't really a huge

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Speaker 2: You know what it is different about some of the.

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Speaker 4: Well, a lot of it's emotionally driven. You want to

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Speaker 4: believe stuff that happens with large groups of people all

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Speaker 4: the time. There's groupthink, and you just you want to

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Speaker 4: think the worst of your political enemies and all of that.

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Speaker 4: But it can really and another aspect of this, just

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Speaker 4: to mention, is that in many ways, the left's paranoia

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Speaker 4: is much more consequential. I'll give you a quick example,

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Speaker 4: Like one of the most pernicious paranoias ongoing in this

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Speaker 4: country is that black people cannot are there's voter suppression,

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Speaker 4: and they are not allowed to vote, when it is

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Speaker 4: literally easier to vote today than it ever has been

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Speaker 4: in any place in the history of Earth. Right now,

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Speaker 4: they will mail you a ballot to your house. All

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Speaker 4: you have to do is mail it. But sixty percent

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Speaker 4: of Black Americans believe that they are being denied the

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Speaker 4: right to vote so that they're stripped of agency or

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Speaker 4: black many, many Black Americans believe that white policemen are

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Speaker 4: hunting young black men and shooting them. I'm not saying

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Speaker 4: they aren't racists. Of course they are racists, but there

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Speaker 4: is no systemic effort to try to make life worse

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Speaker 4: for worse for Black Americans. In fact, most places go

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Speaker 4: out of their way to try to include Black Americans

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Speaker 4: and include all kinds of minorities because they want to

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Speaker 4: be more diverse. So my point only is that that's

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Speaker 4: a paranoia. It's kind of it's more subtle. It's not

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Speaker 4: one big giant conspiracy theory, but it does have a

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Speaker 4: huge effect on how many Americans view this country, and

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Speaker 4: you know, many of them view it negatively because of this.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know so that that's one of them,

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Speaker 4: but there are many many others that put in my book.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, you know, they've you know, basically

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Speaker 1: right now, the reason why we have crime rising is

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Speaker 1: because of the lies that were told about police shootings

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Speaker 1: from you know, stemming from Ferguson and Michael Brown and

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Speaker 1: the bomb administration go out and lie about what happened

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Speaker 1: until his own Department of Justice found that officer Darren

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Speaker 1: wi Wilson didn't do anything wrong and you know, Michael

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Speaker 1: Brown was actually in the wrong.

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Speaker 2: But then the media pushed that lie.

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Speaker 1: I mean I remember CNN they did the whole like

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Speaker 1: hands up, don't shoot.

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Speaker 2: Thing on air.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember, you know, which of the you know

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Speaker 1: CNN people were, but there's like a panel think like

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Speaker 1: Sally Cohn or whatever her name. You know, there's a

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Speaker 1: few of them, you know, and then it was like

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Speaker 1: this wholesale lie that has led to really the unravel

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Speaker 1: like the criminal justices, you know, like has led to

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Speaker 1: all this crime, you know, damage to police office rates,

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Speaker 1: like it's had this whole massive impact on the country

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Speaker 1: ever since.

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Speaker 4: Is there any evidence that George Floyd killing was racially motivated.

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Speaker 4: I've never seen a single shred of evidence that that's true.

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Speaker 4: And yet we had BLM riots all over the country,

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Speaker 4: you know, sparked by that, and yet where is the.

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Speaker 3: Evidence for that.

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Speaker 4: It's just assumed because people believe who spread it, that

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Speaker 4: America is inherently a racist place. That's what we teach children.

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Speaker 4: Now we have revision as histories like the sixteen nineteen project.

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Speaker 3: Or whatever year it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I.

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Speaker 1: Think, you know, a lot of times on the right

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Speaker 1: things get you know, marked a conspiracy. But I think

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Speaker 1: it's also just the left using conspiracy as a way

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Speaker 1: to drown out the truth, right, because we've seen very often,

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Speaker 1: like especially during COVID, how things that were labeled conspiracy theories,

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Speaker 1: whether it be the lab leak or concerns about the

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Speaker 1: vaccine not doing what they were telling us it was

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Speaker 1: going to do, or you know, lockdowns and things like that,

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Speaker 1: they were dubbed and marked as conspiracy theories, but or

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Speaker 1: you know, mistruth and disinformation, misinformation, but it was true.

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Speaker 1: So how much of that do you think we see

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Speaker 1: from the left of sort of labeling things conspiracy on

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Speaker 1: the right just to cover up for the truth.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, they do that all the time.

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Speaker 4: They try to chill speech in that way, they try

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Speaker 4: to censor people by in that way. I should just

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Speaker 4: preface all this by saying, like, even if you are

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Speaker 4: a conspiracy theorist, even if you're lying, even if you're

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Speaker 4: a Nazi, you you have free speech rights like anyone else.

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Speaker 4: So oftentimes people will, you know, be censored, and then

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Speaker 4: we defend them because actually they have legitimate arguments. But

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Speaker 4: even if they didn't have those arguments, they still shouldn't

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Speaker 4: be censored. I believe, and I suspect you agree with that.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, they do this all the time. My book

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Speaker 4: starts with Hillary Clinton going on the Today Show like

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight, telling everyone there was a vast right

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Speaker 4: wing conspiracy to undermine her husband with the Monica Lewinsky story,

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Speaker 4: which of course turned out to be true, as all

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Speaker 4: many other stories about him turned out to be true.

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Speaker 3: So they try to gaslight you.

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Speaker 4: It's almost like a conspiracy theory about a conspiracy theory,

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Speaker 4: and the whole point is to shut you down and

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Speaker 4: to keep you quiet. I don't think there's anything wrong

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Speaker 4: with people asking questions, whether it's an election, whether it's

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Speaker 4: about UFOs or anything else. But I think once the

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Speaker 4: evidence is in or something is debunked, you have to

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Speaker 4: move on and just you know, accept the truth, especially

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Speaker 4: if you're in a position of power.

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Speaker 3: And that's what Democrats.

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Speaker 4: Won't do, even though they accuse, even though they you know,

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Speaker 4: it's all projection, they accuse other people of doing what

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Speaker 4: they do well.

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Speaker 1: And of course, you know, our government hasn't helped either

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Speaker 1: in just telling us like wholesale lies for uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: incredibly long period of time.

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Speaker 2: As well, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, or you know, being a part of the Russia

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Speaker 1: collusion hoax, or having all these fifty one intelligence officers

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Speaker 1: who previously serve the country lie to us intentionally about

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden's let you know, and and the list goes on.

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Speaker 1: So it's like that sort of creates this dynamic as well,

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Speaker 1: where you don't trust what you're being.

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Speaker 2: Told and you do of doubt, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think the irony is, you know, Donald Trump's been

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Speaker 1: called all these things and the threats of democracy and

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Speaker 1: YadA YadA, But I actually think he has the ability

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Speaker 1: over the next four years to regain Americans trust and institutions.

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Speaker 1: But the only way to do that is sort of

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Speaker 1: like radical transparency. Like I know there's been talk about

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Speaker 1: releasing information about you know, John F. Kennedy's assassination and uh, Jeffrey,

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Speaker 1: you know, just like kind of like releasing everything and

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Speaker 1: just sort of like radical transparency. Would that help Americans

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Speaker 1: regain trust and in our institutions. I think people already

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Speaker 1: know that our government's been lying to us about all

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Speaker 1: these things.

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting question. I don't really know. Obviously, I

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Speaker 3: think the government should.

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Speaker 4: Declassify, you know, the Kennedy files and stuff like that,

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Speaker 4: unless it undermines national security, which is very doubtful. So

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Speaker 4: you have to trust the person in charge. I mean,

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Speaker 4: obviously there are things we don't want to release because

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Speaker 4: it hurts national security. And I'm not one of these

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Speaker 4: people think everyone needs to know everything. But obviously there

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Speaker 4: are thousands of files for if that there is no

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Speaker 4: real reason that we shouldn't see them that I can't

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Speaker 4: think of a single reason why we shouldn't see them.

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Speaker 4: If there is a reason, they should tell us why,

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Speaker 4: but they don't. I think I guess this is maybe

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Speaker 4: where I part a little with some of conservatives is

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Speaker 4: that I do think we need to rebuild these institutions.

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Speaker 4: I do think there needs to be transparency, but I

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Speaker 4: also think there needs to be competence. You know, when

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Speaker 4: I think of competence, I think of like DeSantis, right.

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Speaker 4: You know, people who are younger might not know Florida

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Speaker 4: was a big swing state that Obama Wonsantis only won

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Speaker 4: it by a you know, a very very slim margin

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Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen, and he's turned it into this, you

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Speaker 4: know place, this destination place that is completely red and

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Speaker 4: he did that through competence. I think, at least I

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Speaker 4: don't live there. But I think we need to think

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Speaker 4: about or you know, agencies and departments in that way,

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Speaker 4: people who are really going to break things, but also

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Speaker 4: be competent in rebuilding them and not just you know,

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Speaker 4: have people who are going to you know, dunk on

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Speaker 4: the libs or whatever. I mean, there's nothing wrong with

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Speaker 4: dunting on libs, but we also need to be smart

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Speaker 4: and confident in how you do it, or people aren't

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Speaker 4: going to trust you either in the long run.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree, but I think a lot of that,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that Trump probably needs to do

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Speaker 1: a lot of the firing that he can do and

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Speaker 1: a lot of the dirty work as quickly as he

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Speaker 1: can and kind of move past it and then focus

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Speaker 1: on the other things, Like you took too long to

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Speaker 1: fire a COMI you know, like I like get rid

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Speaker 1: of Ray immediately, like you know, like I think some

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Speaker 1: of that stuff needs to happen.

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Speaker 2: As soon as possible.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, you know, David, is there anything else you'd

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Speaker 1: like to leave us with before we go? And then

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Speaker 1: you know, tell people where they can obviously in bookstores

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Speaker 1: and whatnot. But if there's anything else you'd like to

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Speaker 1: leave us with about the book.

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Speaker 3: Please do well.

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Speaker 4: I guess I'd want people to know that the book

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Speaker 4: basically tells the history of how how democrats got to

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Speaker 4: be so paranoid about politics and how it undermines us,

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Speaker 4: and you know, in the end, hopefully I think I

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Speaker 4: give some advice on how to treat people like this

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Speaker 4: and how maybe we can get back some sebilance of

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Speaker 4: actual debate in this country, because we don't really actually

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Speaker 4: debate issues anymore. We just call you know, at least

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Speaker 4: the left doesn't. They just call you names or accuse

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Speaker 4: you of sedition or whatever it is. So I think

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Speaker 4: that's really destructive to how we move forward. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: mean my writing's at the Washington Examiner mostly. I also

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Speaker 4: write some other places. People free to read that if

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Speaker 4: they like, And I'm on Twitter David Harsani and my

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Speaker 4: books everywhere. Books are sold hopefully.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, David Harsani, it sounds very interesting. Appreciate you taking

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Speaker 1: the time to join the show.

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Speaker 3: No, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: That was David Harsani.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate him taking the time to join the show and

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Speaker 1: tell us about his new book, The Rise of the

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Speaker 1: Blue ant On. Appreciate you guys at home for listening

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Speaker 1: every Monday and Thursday, but of course you can listen

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Speaker 1: throughout the week. I'm gonna think John Cassho, my producer,

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