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Speaker 2: All right, man, we're back another wonderful episode of Club

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Speaker 2: four twenty podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm the host. My name is DJ Willis.

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Speaker 2: We in Chicago with It, special guests in the building. Man,

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Speaker 2: we been waiting for this episode. Man, ain't even a guess.

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Speaker 2: It's like family. We got a lot to talk about. Man,

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Speaker 2: we want to introduce my man's last to my far left,

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Speaker 2: I got my dog. But should be hearing out the pearls.

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Speaker 2: How you was nasty, nasty and the shot. Let's get

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Speaker 2: to it maybe for the show in the shot one

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Speaker 2: time to Jay, Look, listen, we know your full game

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Speaker 2: always been proper. But you know this man known for

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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the black forces with the white

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Speaker 2: laces before?

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Speaker 3: I've never seen that.

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Speaker 4: I get your look with you about nine.

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Speaker 1: Like my son.

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Speaker 3: Let you know, I'm gonna take care of a little

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Speaker 3: no worry about.

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Speaker 1: I got it, got the black nashs. On to my right,

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Speaker 1: my dog, young natcho, young teag. How you are chilling, bro?

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Speaker 1: We got we got family in the building for real. Bro.

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Speaker 5: We in Chicago with it, you know, supporting some of

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Speaker 5: our other brothers, supporting d Rose, our guy. But we

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Speaker 5: got my brother in the building. Bro, unless you do

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Speaker 5: the honors. But I'm geek for this episode.

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Speaker 2: For Shure Man. We've been waiting for this episode. Man,

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Speaker 2: come on, Man, decade plus professional man, the best.

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Speaker 1: Walk on ever to doing the n C A Man.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot to talk about, a lot to

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Speaker 2: talk about today, Man, J L three, j'all looks at

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Speaker 2: third coach, look, appreciate your slide on.

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Speaker 3: This big dog, and thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 2: We've been we've been waiting for this episode ever since

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Speaker 2: the Minnesota stories came out. This request the guests. Man, listen,

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Speaker 2: we got lots to talk about. But first I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about how y'all first met. That's so let's

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Speaker 2: go to your order story first. Well, you know I've

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Speaker 2: met him.

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Speaker 5: By busting, you know, killing polls, almost going crazy about killing.

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Speaker 1: When I was a rookie the Hawks, we didn't have

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Speaker 1: summer league.

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Speaker 5: We had many camps, right, so we had a mini

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Speaker 5: camp and they had some veterans coming.

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Speaker 1: He was a veteran of the league.

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Speaker 5: He was you know, he was trying to work his

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Speaker 5: way on the team, will make the Hawks team a

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Speaker 5: roster or whatever it was with mini camp and it

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Speaker 5: was my rookie year. I never been to the NBA nothing,

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Speaker 5: and me and him got in a battle. So we

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Speaker 5: get to playing, me and him, going back and forth.

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Speaker 5: He giving me the blues. I'm doing my thing. At

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Speaker 5: the end of the day, I ended up getting the

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Speaker 1: Little bit, right, But in the middle of the game,

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Speaker 1: this nigga started coaching me.

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Speaker 3: This is what I knew.

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Speaker 1: He was gonna be my guy. He's gonna be a coach.

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Speaker 1: I'm going away. I'm doing my.

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Speaker 2: Thing, calling picking rolls. He's like a young fella when

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Speaker 2: you goring it, don't.

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Speaker 1: Turn your head because I'm just gonna blow. I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: I'm looking at this nigga like, man, what like we're

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Speaker 5: playing against each other.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, who this nigga talking to him?

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Speaker 5: So I go to Red Dolph Morris right, I'm like,

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Speaker 5: who is this nigga? He was like, no, he can

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Speaker 5: this nigga just kept talking to me. That's how I

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Speaker 5: ahead on either. I had about fifty though. That's fat Okay.

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Speaker 3: You know you get drafted, you get take every shot.

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Speaker 1: You want to that's the fact.

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Speaker 3: You get to take every shot you want to take.

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Speaker 3: So I just like I remember because I was like,

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Speaker 3: He called it a dope boy card. My man, look

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Speaker 3: at this little I said. I used to always try

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Speaker 3: his swagger is like to like. I was just like,

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Speaker 3: it's swag. Like he's walking down. You know, he had

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Speaker 3: know we've been doing that.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: You know he doing this and doing that. He walked

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Speaker 3: you know, and we have we had some hitters in

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Speaker 3: that was at like ten twelve years that still trying

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Speaker 3: the older you get, the more you kind of get weeded.

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Speaker 1: Out, right.

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Speaker 3: So once I started seeing that, I just started playing

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Speaker 3: I probably ain't gonna make the min you know, make

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Speaker 3: the Atlanta Hawks team. You know, they drafted tea point guards,

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Speaker 3: they had Mike Bbie Steele. Who else was on You

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Speaker 3: just like, okay, it's a mini cap. Let me just

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Speaker 3: So once I seen Woody, he was like mad him

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Speaker 3: take every kind of shot. I'm like like, damn, Like

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, all right, let me figure it out.

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Speaker 3: And my dad always taught me change lives, you know,

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Speaker 3: I got a crazy right there, like Craig, Like he

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Speaker 3: pick and roll game was trash. He didn't know the game.

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Speaker 3: He was a one on one player. So in the

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Speaker 3: picking roll, I just started we icing it. He turning

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Speaker 3: I'm basketball to me is eight percent mental to physical.

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Speaker 3: So I was trying to rookie ain't never been in

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Speaker 3: no situations. I'm getting that, like, yo, we icing him.

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Speaker 3: He ain't got it. No, man pulled over, he turned

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Speaker 3: them he turned it over, lefting right now, damn. And

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Speaker 3: so then I was like I felt kind of bad

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Speaker 1: Fifty no no, no, no, no no no.

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Speaker 3: You had fifty off, like twenty five free they started

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Speaker 3: cing now he took about twenty five free thoughts and

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Speaker 3: then the other twenty five was legit. The other was legit.

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Speaker 2: I would tell you what start and they had y'all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in no win situation, a big man

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Speaker 5: I figured it out. I was like, oh the icy,

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Speaker 5: I'm just keep the ball in the middle of the floor.

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I can't. I But what I noticed was,

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Speaker 3: I was like for him to have like longevity, right,

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Speaker 3: and you could see it, like you can see like

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Speaker 3: Mike Bibi was on his way out older, you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. He was, And I'm like, it would

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Speaker 3: be selfish of me not to like it for help

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Speaker 3: help somebody else along the way, because that's what Nick

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Speaker 3: Naxley did for me, That's what I did for me.

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Speaker 3: That's what Bubba Chuck did for me. West Side Tennis Club,

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Speaker 3: Houston text everybody used to come to Houston to train

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Speaker 3: in the summertime. So as a high schooler, it was

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Speaker 3: who I'm playing again, and they did the same thing

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Speaker 3: pay it forward. So I did it with Tyas Jones,

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Speaker 3: just like for me, I was like, I know, I

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Speaker 3: I get did I was? Was I better today? Did

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Speaker 3: I get somebody else better as well? And that was

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Speaker 3: and that was just that was just my way of like,

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Speaker 3: because I want no superstar in the league, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. But my whole thing was like I

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Speaker 2: We got to talk about let's start to the origins

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Speaker 2: of it. You gave us an interest before recording. You

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Speaker 2: never play AU basketball.

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Speaker 3: You already played one tournament and AU is the eight

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Speaker 3: was it uh out in Vegas, Adidas big time and

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Speaker 3: I didn't play. I played for this team called the

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Speaker 3: Houston Superstars John Yury, they had TJ. Ford, Daniel ewing Room.

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Speaker 3: But I played tennis in the summer. So I was

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Speaker 3: top fifte in the country in tennis. Every every weekend

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Speaker 3: I was playing in the tennis tournament. Everybody else was

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Speaker 3: playing basketball. But this year I was just like, all right.

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Speaker 3: I told my dad. I was like, man, I want

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Speaker 3: to play. Yeah, I do both. He didn't want me

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Speaker 3: to quit tennis. My dad didn't really want me playing basketball.

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Speaker 3: He wanted me to play tennis, like, yo, you little motherfucker,

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Speaker 3: you're only five. It's gonna be so hard for you

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Speaker 3: to make it. And I was just like, yeah, but

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Speaker 3: this is what I love. So I quit tennis one

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Speaker 3: day Like this though, I go back, Man, you know

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Speaker 3: what's crazy, play tennis. That's what like I said, And

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Speaker 3: that's who trained my pops. So my people don't realize

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Speaker 3: my pops played professional tennis. And yeah, and he won

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Speaker 3: the n C Double A tournament and the n C

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Speaker 3: doubles and he won the singles. He a national championship

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Speaker 3: in tennis and while he was at University of Maryland,

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Speaker 3: and the one pick. So for me, my dad loves tennis.

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Speaker 3: So when I picked up tennis. It was for because

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Speaker 3: I was living in Philadelphia at the time. I was

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Speaker 3: a kid that never wanted to be in the house,

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Speaker 3: like if they was outside playing street hockey. I learned

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Speaker 3: how to ride skates and play hockey, played the cross.

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Speaker 3: I never wanted to be in the house. I just

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Speaker 3: wanted to be active. So when my dad found out

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Speaker 3: he turned into a monster, like the way that kids

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Speaker 3: We play tennis, but I played on the video game.

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Speaker 5: Crazy, I'm gonna say that because even when you helped

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Speaker 5: You got locked in on what we're gonna be good

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Speaker 3: Not just for me, it's more like for me, it's like.

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Speaker 3: No for me. I think I think I saw something

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Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, you got about food five years left.

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Speaker 3: I was like, don't let these people discourage you and

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Speaker 5: But when I when we started, like when it started happening,

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Speaker 1: gonna get another bagby the six man I was hooping.

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Speaker 1: Then I get hurt. I said, what the fuck? He

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Speaker 3: I'm that I never disrespected the game.

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Speaker 3: We got back right. We got back right. But I

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Speaker 3: He crazy, like he crazed, like, so we warming up.

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Speaker 1: And nobody gonna say the pops not damn.

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Speaker 3: and destroy. That was his whole thing. This whole thing

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Speaker 3: That because I didn't play au like I said, so,

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Speaker 4: When did you get cold?

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Speaker 3: I always been cold? I'm telling you. You know you

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Speaker 6: I understand that, bro, I'm understand. When did you be like, damn,

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Speaker 6: I can do this? You feel me?

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Speaker 3: You was Arthur to day. I came out my mom.

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Speaker 3: Then that's what I knew I was called. I came

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Speaker 3: You know you know that made that You ever heard

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Speaker 6: I understand that. I was saying, when when did you

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Speaker 3: My whole life. I'm telling you.

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Speaker 2: You gotta say how you grew up because he grew

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Speaker 3: You. Don't really, I let the whole stadium scoring. I

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Speaker 3: I was a fresh principal there before real smith one

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Speaker 3: What year did you play with America? All through high school?

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Speaker 3: We graduated all one together. Okay, he zoned to my school.

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Speaker 3: We end up going to Baylor Gain We always zoned

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Speaker 3: He was trash? He was he was. He was trashed

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Speaker 3: one day, come home. He was like, a Mecica, you'

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Speaker 3: We get to our junior year, he started playing with

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Speaker 3: And I used to be like.

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Speaker 3: They were, but at the time my mental game was

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Speaker 3: Iron Shoppers aren't. So we was all getting each other better.

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Speaker 3: Were at the same time, we was all kind of

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Speaker 2: it now like a lot of kids now duck that competition.

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Speaker 1: Back then, y'all had their brass. How do you kind

435
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Speaker 1: of translate that now for kids?

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Speaker 2: It's just like you at some point you have to

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Speaker 3: You know what, kids scared a competition. Now kids are

439
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Speaker 3: so worried about if they're gonna get posted on social media.

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Speaker 3: Kids are scared of being embarrassed. I grew up to

441
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442
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Speaker 4: That's real.

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Speaker 3: So all my best friends aren't from the neighborhood I'm from.

445
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Speaker 3: All my best friends are from the other side of

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Speaker 3: the tracks. Yeah, that's where the best ball is at.

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Speaker 3: So when I used to leave high school, I'm in Sunnyside,

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449
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450
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Speaker 3: going over there. I won't worried about It's like, it's basketball,

451
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Speaker 3: it's a universal language. Now. I knew how to conduct

452
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Speaker 3: myself when I was over there. So where I can

453
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454
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455
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Speaker 3: like I wasn't gonna get better playing against my neighbors.

456
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Speaker 3: Are are staying in my neighborhood while I'm playing against

457
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458
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459
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Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, no, no, I'm just using that

461
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462
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466
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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: But my pops is all about you bring somebody along,

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Speaker 1: So so then now going to Texas A and.

584
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Speaker 3: I'm back at square one. So I had Baylor, I

585
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586
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Speaker 3: but I had more offers in tennis.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So and everybody who was recruiting me wanted to rid

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590
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Speaker 3: damn right. But I was just like we always. All

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was five d one athlete, but you came back.

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Speaker 3: You came Yeah. When I went to college, I was

599
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612
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Speaker 2: But for me, I had to be No, I was nothing.

618
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619
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Speaker 2: That could have been some niggas.

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621
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Speaker 8: No man.

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625
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Speaker 3: I used to take that two hour drive like it

628
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629
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630
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631
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632
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633
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Speaker 3: and me and the coach started end up having problems

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635
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Speaker 3: I would rather be there than that. Baylor, like miserable.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Waco, Texas nothing to do the first of all.

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Speaker 5: I watched your show based out of Waco, Texas may

642
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Speaker 3: I think they split up. Actually think they Baylor Longs.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, because now they do some good work. But

647
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Speaker 3: I just hated. I just hated. Like my freshman year

648
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649
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Speaker 3: and then my sophomore year, it just got tricky. It

652
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: got weird all sudden. Just it's like everything shift. It's

653
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: like I come back as a starter, still leading the

654
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: team and scoring assists, were playing, and then I think

655
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: we got like teen games left for the season. All

656
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: of a sudden, coaches like just own me all day

657
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: in practice, on me all day in practice. And we

658
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: had a we had a point guard I back up.

659
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: His name was Matt Sainman, and I like, in practice

660
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: if it was born to me, Like I told Jeff,

661
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: I had to find something bad about something. So I

662
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: just started talking trash. The whole practice. You can't hold

663
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: me like hold that like And that's when Jeanne came out.

664
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: So every time I shot, like y'all used to do

665
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: like that, and so coach coach pulled me, coaches like

666
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: cursing me out. He's talking abou you think you so

667
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: and so wooy woo. It was like you grew up

668
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: with a silver spoon in your mouth. I was like,

669
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: what silver spoon? I said, man, that my spoon is platinum.

670
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: Kick me out of practice, Kick me out of practice.

671
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: He come in the locker room. We get into this

672
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: full blown argument and I don't play for the next

673
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: eight games. I want from starting not playing. They playing,

674
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: I walk on they playing. Everybody here that people like

675
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: asking questions like why this, why that, and nobody could

676
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: get the answer.

677
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

678
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: So then now I'm like, damn, what I do?

679
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

680
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: I said, it can't be that bad for me, just

681
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: you know you're trying to be this to me. I'm like,

682
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: it's not silver is platinum because platinum?

683
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was better what.

684
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: You think like you like, because I just felt like

685
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: you can talk to me another way if you're trying

686
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: to like just say no like instead of trying to

687
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: put me down in front of everybody because of my

688
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: background where I come from. I was like, okay, and

689
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: me being who I am, I could be an asshole

690
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 3: a little bit. I was just like, nah, it's platine

691
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: and I was ready to hoop again, but he just

692
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: took it to hold on another kick me out price.

693
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: So it just went downhill from there, and I just

694
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: was like calling back home because my post was living

695
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: in clean They was in Cleveland coaching at the time,

696
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 3: and I was telling him how I was being treated

697
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 3: and this, and he was like, be professional. My dad

698
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: was all about, don't disrespect the game. He coming to

699
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: practice stuff like that. So I did. And you know,

700
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: one day I had a next Tael phone because I

701
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: had two phones in college, so I had the next

702
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: Tell the church and you could record, and I was like, yo, damn,

703
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 3: I'm telling you he'd be talking crazy to me. I'm

704
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: gonna snap on him one day, like he's just talking crazy,

705
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: and I just recorded. I let my dad hear it.

706
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: My dad still and then my dad eventually got fired

707
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: from Cleveland, so he started coming to the games around

708
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: me more, making sure my mentor is making sure everything

709
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: was straight. And when he first got there, he said,

710
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: behind the bench, and we was doing so bad that

711
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 3: the wac On newspaper people don't know this fake with

712
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 3: new papers like yo, when need to be a trip?

713
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 3: If coach Lucas ends up becoming the head coach of

714
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 3: the Fairs because he already had it, because he's already

715
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: training all of us in the summertime and he was

716
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: man the next game, next home game we had they

717
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 3: had my mom and pops in the note damn they

718
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 3: had my mom and pops, my dad who is He

719
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: grabbed my mom said, man, come on, we're going back down,

720
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 3: said that down right back to his normal sea. But

721
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 3: they had had our ticket. My ticket was all the

722
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 3: way in the those.

723
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: Beleeve that that's crazy.

724
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then all of a sudden, you know, unfortunately

725
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: what happened, What happened, you know RP to my teammate Pat,

726
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: then all that stuff happening in the summer and obviously

727
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 3: you know we went through you know what we went

728
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: through right right right, you know it's that was a

729
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: crazy time. That was a real a real dark time.

730
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

731
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 5: I can ask the question, like when that time happened,

732
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 5: like to go through that or whatever, with your teammate.

733
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 5: It's a tough I can't even imagine what that feel

734
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 5: like to even go through that, Like where.

735
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: Would you think? What you thinking?

736
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 5: Like, Yo, I'm getting out of Baylor, like I gotta

737
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 5: lead this place like it ain't for me, or would

738
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 5: you like damn.

739
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 3: Let's well, before before all that happened, i was already

740
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: checked out, okay, yeah, and I'm like, man, I'm transferring.

741
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: He was like, you ain't transfer I'm holding your paper.

742
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: You stuck here for two years, that type of vibe. Yeah,

743
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: So I was like, I'm like, I'm transferring. I don't

744
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 3: know what's gonna happen, you know what I'm saying, Like,

745
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: but I know I'm I ain't playing for I ain't

746
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: playing here no more. And then that situation happened, and

747
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 3: it was crazy because like everybody was in Houston training

748
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: with us that day, and then we get the phone

749
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: call asking if we seen Pat. I was like, now

750
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: he's not down here lift it like that. Then we

751
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: ain't think nothing of it. We just thought, okay, so

752
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: we're still going there. Now. Weeks go by. Now, all

753
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you see on CNN, you see the

754
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: FBI involved. You see all that's going on, and my

755
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: teammate Artie Gwynn started like recording like all the conversations,

756
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: and like one of the conversations popped up. I never

757
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: forget this when I got when my name got cleared

758
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 3: from everything from like you know, if I accepted any

759
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: money or anything like that is they got on tape,

760
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 3: said well we can't go to Lucas cause he ain't

761
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: gonna lie for us. And wow, boy, like that was

762
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: a bet, like seeing my dad chest poked out all

763
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: the teaching and the principles and stuff he taught me

764
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: about brother and you.

765
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: Ain't with him at this point either.

766
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 3: And I ain't talking. I'm just this. I like I

767
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: just wanted to hoop. And it was like when that

768
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: came out, I remember getting that phone call saying you cleared,

769
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: Like you enjoy the rest of your college career. You

770
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: don't have to worry. Because they started like how did

771
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: he get his car? Like I had my car myself

772
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: when you're in high school. How he gets his rooms

773
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 3: Steve Francis brought my rooms. How he gets how you

774
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 3: get your life? How you how you get your system

775
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: in your car? Like you know what I'm saying, Like

776
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 3: those are my big brothers. So they saw me doing

777
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: good and they like, I'm training every day with them.

778
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: I'm in it. So they like man like different, you know,

779
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: a regular. It was just like I grew up different.

780
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: It's like back to we didn't even get to the

781
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: good ship. Yeah, when he grew up in Philly. Let's

782
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:33,959
Speaker 1: talk about it here.

783
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: That I grew up in How old are you when

784
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: you moved to Philing sixth grade middle school? I went

785
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 3: to balakan With middle school. It's only two NBA players

786
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 3: ever come out of Balaquan with middle school. And who

787
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 3: is that the goat first of all? So Jordan Kobe Dean.

788
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: Oh okay, you look at looking at me.

789
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: Look it's only two that came out ball in middle

790
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: school Kobe Brian, John Lucas the third h J three

791
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: since the w Y. I'm telling you, it's just like

792
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: it's crazy because we like we just literally moved to Philadelva.

793
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: My dad was the president and the general manager, president

794
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: and head coach of the seventy six ers when he

795
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: was there. What hold on?

796
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: This is just me like what what is that? Like?

797
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 2: Like I grew up my mom and dad worked down

798
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: the street and ship, like you.

799
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 7: Know what I mean, I be Yeah, I get you,

800
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 7: you know, my man, Yeah, I get you.

801
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: You're my nigga.

802
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 5: But like, what is that like to know, like your

803
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 5: dad is like an NBA coach, your dad played in

804
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 5: the league, but like he the guy.

805
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 3: What's that? What's that like normal? I ain't think that

806
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: was just normal? That every day to me?

807
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: That shi it was.

808
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 3: I mean, bro, when I was like five years old,

809
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 3: I remember going to the barbershop with Michael Jordan and

810
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 3: my dad. Michael Jordan picked us up in the corvette

811
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: and I'm sitting my dad's left we driving on the

812
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 3: South side Chicago while they go get haircuts during the

813
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: Eastern Conference playoffs and my poster playing in Milwaukee.

814
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: That's all right.

815
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: Like I got every Michael Jordan's shoe he ever played

816
00:38:59,000 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: and signed.

817
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: I know, I listen, I know, I know.

818
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the shoes he played in sign like

819
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: the shoes he got crossed up in against Allen. I

820
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: got it in my garage sign. I know I was

821
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: a ball boy.

822
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm just speaking for the people who know, so I know,

823
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, I know, I'm.

824
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 3: Yeah the coat, Yeah I was, I was. I've been

825
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: a ball boy my whole life. So I've been around.

826
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: I've been around like my dad. I was like, you know,

827
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: every kid who just want to be around. So when

828
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 3: my dad went to the gym and met her, I

829
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: was a ball boys. I used to mop the floor

830
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: like free throws. I was that kid mopping the floor.

831
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: I was that kid, you know, doing everything. I learned

832
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: how to talk to girls by going into the into

833
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: the stands, get numbers, and I used to I used

834
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: to the players. You give me like fifty dollars, go

835
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: get a number, and then you give me one hundred dollars,

836
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: go get a hot dog and and preszels and be like.

837
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: I was like, here, you're change. But now, Luke, you

838
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: got it, keep it change. I changed eighty five dollars.

839
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 3: I'm walking home three four hundred, like six years old.

840
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 3: Seven years old as a ball boy and getting paid

841
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 3: on top of that as a ball boy.

842
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 6: Was What was it like first seeing Kobe hooped up?

843
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 6: When was your first glance at Kobe Bryant?

844
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: Amazing?

845
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: The biggest Kobe fan in the world.

846
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 5: You can't say nothing, but I love Kobe too, not

847
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 5: as much as I love Jordan, but you I'm gonna

848
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 5: let him go.

849
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: You got let me get up. Amazing, Broy, give me

850
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: that time. We want to story time with. My mom

851
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 3: is the one who discovered Kobe, not like overall, but

852
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: she the one who is newspapers and everything. So I

853
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: can give you all all these off facts. I never

854
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: lie saw facts. My mom comes home one day. I

855
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 3: just got back from tennis practice with my dad. She

856
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: come home one day and tell my pox, I think

857
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 3: I seen a better high school player than you.

858
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: Mm hm. My dad like, what this is funny?

859
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: Like he low key about to bring a drug test

860
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: out to test. My mama makes just he's straight. So

861
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: my dad was like, next time they play, we going

862
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: to the game, like my mom, come in. It's a

863
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: king named Kobe. King named Kobe Lloyd Man had to

864
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: go to my sister. My sister graduated Lord Marry and

865
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: so my dad I never give it a Friday, So

866
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: we go liewdle Men in high school. They had a

867
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: home game, so my dad packed me and my little

868
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 3: brother up in the car. We just got done working out.

869
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: So we go all the way to the game and

870
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 3: he see Jelly, you know, Jelly in there his pops

871
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: and my dad was like, Jelly, what you doing here?

872
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: Like oh, he was like a man, I'm here to

873
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: see my son play. He's like, yeah, man, my wife

874
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: come on home talking about it's a kid up here

875
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: named Kobe that's supposed to be I didn't me in

876
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: high school, like she he the next best great thing

877
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: ever to play the game. And he was like, oh man,

878
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 3: that's my son, right. So we so he was like

879
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 3: for real, like you know what, my dad. So we're

880
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: sitting there watching and then the game start. Kobe starts

881
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 3: out at the five. He went the jump ball till

882
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: they throw the ball a head, he out run first,

883
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: played the game. He win me damn. And that day

884
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: I was locked dean because you know, you don't see it.

885
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: So he was like eleven, not twelve. Twelve, yeah, sixth grade.

886
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 3: I think like eleven too about the turn to I

887
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: got late birthday, so I probably wasn't that about to

888
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: turn to okay, but yeah, and then we start. Then

889
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 3: we started going to every high school and my dad

890
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 3: and then then my dad started having him come practice

891
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,959
Speaker 3: with the Sixers because they didn't have a practice cility

892
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 3: at the time. They used to Saint Joseph University was

893
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: the practice cility. That's why I say basketball is a

894
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: full circle for me. Yeah right, So I live right

895
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 3: down the streets in Saint Joe's used to go hoop.

896
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: Every day and.

897
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: So now we you know, my dad got him practicing.

898
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: And what my dad used to do is he big

899
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 3: on competition. So he used to match Kobe up against

900
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: all of the draft workouts. So Jerry stad cows all

901
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 3: those guys who got drafted, right, Kobe beat them all

902
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: one on one, damn. And they was like, man, what

903
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: school he went to school? Like what cos he want?

904
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: My dad like, man, he a junior high. This is

905
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: junior year man.

906
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: And Jerry say, yeah, it was phenomenal, amazing.

907
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: So like like y'all have y'all had, y'all had my

908
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 3: O g on here Vernon Maxwell, I got stories about

909
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 3: him for days, but we ain't gonna get in there shot.

910
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 3: But vern what he said about Cole ready to fight,

911
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: he was ready to fight up. Coke didn back down

912
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: from there. I was there. I was at that part.

913
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 3: Cole was ready to get his like Vernon crazy.

914
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: Bro, we know, like got the record for it. Motherfucker's

915
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: on her.

916
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Vernon said the first five minutes, he said thirty

917
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: seven motherfuckers in the first Yeah, Vernon crazy forty seven fucker.

918
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 3: So Vernon was ready to fight Kobe, Like Kobe was

919
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: really going.

920
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: At him and he was seventeen seventeen.

921
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 3: He ain't back down, and I was just like, oh,

922
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 3: and then I started, Like then I started. He started

923
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: picking me up from school. He was picking me up

924
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 3: from my house. You're life different, I remember, I'll never

925
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: get when he got his car. He got a forest

926
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: green Toyoda land Cruise.

927
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: This nigga life different.

928
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: Remember he picked me up because he was going to

929
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: work out the city. I was like this call and

930
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: he had like two trash bags in the trunk of

931
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: his car. I was like, man, what you got in

932
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: the trash bag? He was like young bull. You know

933
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: in Philly they said young bull. It was like young

934
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: boys a game everywhere in Philly. I ain't got time

935
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: to go back home and get my gear and then

936
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 3: come back and the game might be over. I gotta

937
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 3: be ready right now.

938
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: Boy.

939
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 3: When I got my Dodge d Ringo my sophomore year,

940
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: I ain't putting no trash bags in my back. Had like, hey,

941
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: that's first thing I in the trunk of my car.

942
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 3: I put four pair of hoopy shoes and a bag

943
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 3: of just hoop gear.

944
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 5: But this is a fact because when I went to Minnesota,

945
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 5: this nigga was retired from the league. Nigga still had

946
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 5: a back of shoes in the back of his car.

947
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: Did you wear who shorts on your under your pants? Absolutely? Yeah,

948
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: when he was getting busy at lunch time, like you

949
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 3: didn't have time, like you had your shorts on them.

950
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 3: I was living in Philly at time, so we always

951
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: wore tim so you'd be hooping in tim you know,

952
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: it was just different. But yeah, you had shorts on underneath.

953
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: That was normal.

954
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: That's just kids.

955
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 6: I just like bring it up for the nostalgia. But

956
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 6: like kids, our kids don't understand that ship.

957
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 4: Bro.

958
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: We always want to parties with my shorts. Like I'm

959
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: not about to go hoop. I'm really about trying to

960
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: go get something.

961
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 3: But like.

962
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: Shorts, definitely. Yeah.

963
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're supposed to put your opinions down a little

964
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 6: bit at the at the at the parties.

965
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: You know what I couldn't. I couldn't sad to who

966
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 3: shorts combos crazy. I couldn't. I couldn't say what we do.

967
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: I couldn't I couldn't sad cops won't playing that. Yeah,

968
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 3: pops won't playing.

969
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 6: So I always we weren't say we're taking at that

970
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 6: party though, Yeah, I would be.

971
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: Scared about poss will come into part wherever I was.

972
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 3: I used to be scared. I get and I was

973
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: always like on alert. He'd be like, no, sagging boy.

974
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: Used to have my you know, the little belts that

975
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 3: is like one size fit all the little.

976
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 6: Come in, the motherfucking cordos, all all that.

977
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: You know, you know what's crazy? Hey, you know what

978
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 3: I love them? You know what I love him? No,

979
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: you know what I love You want you want't think

980
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 3: about it?

981
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: Right?

982
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 3: We off our clothes came from Gap or Target. We

983
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: didn't wear like how like how now NBA kids went

984
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 3: like the Gucci and all, but like take that million.

985
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: We know we like that. We used to go shop

986
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 3: at Wieners. We used to go stop at all these

987
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: different Like my mom was like, Yo, we're going to

988
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: shop youle boy, take that bill. I mean it works,

989
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 3: I need ass, but yeah, I mean that jo't never.

990
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: So when we get hoop, I ain't have to worry

991
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: about leaving my pants up to go by nobody. They

992
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: won't move it thet they won't. They won't lose it.

993
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: They won't movebe Bro.

994
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: That's yeah.

995
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: So it was just like for me, I just I

996
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,479
Speaker 3: just was like a sponge soaking up all the games.

997
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 4: Is that the best high school basketball player you ever? Said?

998
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: Yes?

999
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 4: Because you saw Lebron too? Ye you saw him? Do

1000
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 4: you speak on that?

1001
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 6: When we see Lebron in high school with his workout

1002
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 6: with the pros, that was a better showing Kobe's showing

1003
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 6: with the you got.

1004
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 3: Kobe had an impact on me as an individual, So

1005
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 3: I saw different work at that. I saw what it

1006
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: what it took to be a pro yea. So the

1007
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 3: impact was a little bit different than like, now, that

1008
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 3: could be my little brother's story about Lebron, you know

1009
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. But for me, I was in college

1010
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: when I first saw Broun. Understand, my post was coaching

1011
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 3: in Cleveland, and I never remember coming. I just got

1012
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: done with my second year when I was going through everything,

1013
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 3: and my past was still in Cleveland. So I used

1014
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 3: to fly back on like holidays or the summers and

1015
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: was in Cleveland, and you know, I trained with the

1016
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: guys like that, and my dad was like, man, it's

1017
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: a kid up here better than Kobe. And I was like, man,

1018
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: whatever like that. He was like, well, take your little brother.

1019
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: So my little brother's playing on Lebron's high school coach

1020
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 3: Jruce Jordan, he had an AU team called Actling Superstars.

1021
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: My little brother played on that team, okay, and they

1022
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 3: practiced at the University of Akron. So I took my

1023
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 3: little brother to a practice one day and they were

1024
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: hooping in the back gym. Come and find out a

1025
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 3: lot of these guys, a local acting was hooping in

1026
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: the back gym while my brother knew was practicing. I

1027
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: was also hooping too. So that's when I first saw Lebron.

1028
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 3: And when I first saw him, it was just, you know,

1029
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 3: it was some mile sauce. That's just my opinion. Wasn't like.

1030
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 3: But then my dad started inviting him like he did

1031
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: with Kobe, because he was like, man, you know, I'm

1032
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: just gonna get in the game and let him just

1033
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 3: come work out. I don't think I ain't trying. I

1034
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: don't want nothing from this kid, just you know, let's

1035
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 3: get some good bump in. So we had a little

1036
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: mini camp and my dad used to fly in guys

1037
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: from Ohio State Kansas, you know guys, and we have

1038
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 3: a mini camp and we'll play against the you know,

1039
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: the rookies who was already there getting ready for some

1040
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 3: believe it's a little screamage little mini camp. And bron

1041
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: came and like nobody was passing Broun the ball because

1042
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 3: everybody knew was in high school. And we was all

1043
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: like not passing the ball. My dad like stopped practice, like, hey, y'all,

1044
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 3: little motherfuckers back, get him the ball. He the best

1045
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: one on the court, like not talking about his players,

1046
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 3: but he was just talking about guys on our team,

1047
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: and we like, man, whatever. So I had the ball

1048
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 3: on the point so I can control everything. So I

1049
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 3: was just like discussed. I was like, man, here, like

1050
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 3: through the ball to him, like like he ain't gonna

1051
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 3: do nothing then, so we'll get it right back. Hey,

1052
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: bro we he on the right seating, right hand side

1053
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: of the court. He's being guarded by Ricky Davis. He

1054
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: make a move, just do something, go baseline. So now

1055
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 3: you got Chris mill siganad ya.

1056
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: The whole calf scene. By the way, they all help.

1057
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 3: Sign so they all come up. He jumps outside the

1058
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: paint like jumps like and like Cigan and this man

1059
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 3: underneath the rim reversing hoes it in without looking at

1060
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: the rim was a ball and you know he like

1061
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: this and just keep going. Man, he got to put

1062
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 3: ball every possession out of there because it was unbelievable.

1063
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 3: He's like, what else can he not? What else can you? Yeah?

1064
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: He unbelievable.

1065
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 3: I got the coaching, like you know what I'm saying.

1066
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: So I'm seeing that and I'm like yo, he like

1067
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 3: and then all the time you get to see and

1068
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: then then I'm around Maverick, I'm around Rich like like

1069
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 3: before Rich became clutch. Rich sold everybody the throw back

1070
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 3: jerseys out the trunk. Every throwback I got I brought

1071
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 3: from Rich, like every throw back Mitchell and that jerky

1072
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: I brought from Rich. In Cleveland, he had a van

1073
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 3: he suosedld sell out the van. That's where I got

1074
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 3: my jerseys from. He overcharged me too, but you know

1075
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 3: we had to get him. Yeah, real stock. But yeah,

1076
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 3: so Mark and then all of a sudden, you know,

1077
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: my pops get fined two hundred thousand because all the

1078
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 3: other teams started complaining saying he had you know, cause

1079
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 3: he's gonna be no. One pick and then you know

1080
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 3: he got fired, you know, and then you know Ron

1081
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: end up getting drafted by Cleveland.

1082
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: But what the moments do for you?

1083
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 5: Because I know, you leave Baylor and you go to

1084
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 5: Okay State and this is what we like I felt,

1085
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 5: I like fell in love with your game and found

1086
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 5: out who you was because okay, stay, you had a

1087
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 5: squad and you was hoping you was killing. But I

1088
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 5: love Saint Joe's and we don't get to that game,

1089
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 5: Jamr and Nelson Delonze. I wore T shirts under my

1090
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 5: jersey like I hooped in Barkley's bronze and all that

1091
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 5: ship because Maar and Nelson and.

1092
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: Go ahead, because you you fucked up.

1093
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: You fucked up my momental because them niggas was cold

1094
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: and they was undefeated.

1095
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 3: They were called they like my g So when I man,

1096
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 3: it was a blad like God had my back, bro,

1097
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 3: That's all I can say. Because I live walk on.

1098
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 3: I was literally going to Memphis. Well you talk about you, Yeah,

1099
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: like I had Memphis Rutgers in Georgia and I was

1100
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: already like I'm going to Memphis called Caliperry already been

1101
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,959
Speaker 3: out there summertimes. You know, Like now that I coach.

1102
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 3: You know, you do go to different places and pick

1103
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 3: each other's brain. So my pops was doing that, like

1104
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 3: in between like jobs. He'd be like, I gotta go

1105
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 3: to Memphis, and would go to Memphis. He in there

1106
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: talking to coach Calibery. They talking x's and o's, and

1107
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 3: now I'm practicing with the team, shooting, getting my workout.

1108
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 3: So everywhere we went, I've always worked out, you know

1109
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So I was like, man, Memphis, you

1110
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 3: know that'd be a great look Coach cal it was

1111
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 3: gonna be a Darius Washington was coming in. He'll be

1112
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 3: coming in my senior year. But then Victor Williams was

1113
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 3: He went to Oklahoma State point guard. He was He

1114
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: was the man at Old State too. Victor wins was

1115
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 3: a point guard and he did his draft work out

1116
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 3: with my pops and he kept saying, like, Yo, you

1117
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 3: should go to Old State State. By the time, like

1118
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 3: I was wild and I had braids, I used to

1119
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: wear grill.

1120
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: Like I.

1121
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 3: Was Houston. So Paul Wall one of my one of

1122
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 3: my really good friends. So when that song let Me

1123
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 3: See Your Grills came out, he made me six at

1124
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 3: the bottom all diamon out so and I was in

1125
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 3: a rap song. So people don't even realize. Paul Wall

1126
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 3: and Chameleon, they had this group called Color Changing clip

1127
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 3: Bro Still My Money and yeah, and Paul Wall said,

1128
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 3: he said, I swerved down the Baylor to watch John

1129
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 3: Lucas score and Jordan came back to the game because

1130
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 3: the game was bored.

1131
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: It was on a mixtape, so that.

1132
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 9: Was like, my man, don't forget you know, you don't

1133
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 9: forget stuff like that, right, you niggas don't never forget

1134
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 9: you are said you.

1135
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 3: Don't forget it because at the end, I wasn't even

1136
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 3: inspecting it because the mixtapes you just come out every

1137
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 3: every Friday. So I'm up here driving make the bailing.

1138
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 3: I just brought the mixtape that Color could and I

1139
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 3: hear it. I said, hold on, what do he saying?

1140
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 3: I rewinded and I was like, so I walked on

1141
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 3: campus now everybody so everybody like, oh, like Paul Wow,

1142
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 3: shot at you. I'm like, I'm playing it cool when

1143
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 3: I'm no key hyped because he don't put me on

1144
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 3: like I'm at Baylor. We trash, yeah, like maybe ten

1145
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 3: we were, but we had a great squad. We just

1146
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 3: was running flex so we had horses. We should have

1147
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 3: been running, but he's no, that's here and there. So

1148
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 3: Victor Winim was like, man, you should take a visit

1149
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 3: to Oklahoma. Say it'd be a perfect fit for you.

1150
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 3: They don't got a point guard ba Boom. But at

1151
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 3: the time the n C double A said we couldn't transfer.

1152
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: When they said all this, we couldn't transfer into conference,

1153
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 3: so I could go anywhere and not sit out. But

1154
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 3: if I went like and then like two weeks later

1155
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 3: they said, y'all can transfer in the conference and you

1156
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 3: won't be penalized. Okay, So originally transfer before the transfer.

1157
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 3: So originally I wanted to go to Texas. No TJ left,

1158
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 3: he just got tracked. TJ he was in there with

1159
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 3: Booby was on the way in there. Booby came with

1160
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 3: my senior. So Rebarns kept the buck with me. I'm

1161
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 3: like trying to like yeo, Rebarns, like, I want to

1162
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 3: come to Texas. You already know I can do well.

1163
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 3: My other teammate, Kenny Taylor, who was a shooter, he

1164
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 3: ended up going to Texas and Rick Barnes kept the

1165
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 3: Buckers like yo, we committed to Daniel Gibson and we

1166
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 3: don't want to bring you in because we might de commit, right,

1167
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 3: But he wanted to come in into my senior year,

1168
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 3: so then I had to respect it. So then I

1169
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 3: was like cool. So then the legendary Adie Southern called

1170
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 3: me one day because of Victor Williams, and I go

1171
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 3: up there. I had a I never forget. I went

1172
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 3: up there. I had my braids, just my mom used

1173
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 3: to brave my hair, so I had fresh braids. I

1174
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 3: had an Iceman San Antonio throw back Jersey on.

1175
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: Like you know what.

1176
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 3: And I go visit and I go by the campus, right,

1177
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, it's the middle of nowhere. But I'm

1178
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 3: a city boy. Like now, I'm eight hours away from Houston.

1179
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: I ain't that. I'm not getting on no highway driving

1180
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 3: eight out you know what I'm saying. And then the

1181
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 3: next best city is Oklahoma City. Come on exactly. They

1182
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 3: didn't have a team out there then, So I went

1183
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 3: out there and they ain't tell me I had to

1184
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 3: cut my hair, damn. Like my dad Ben wanted me

1185
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 3: to come here because that's when the big like the

1186
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 3: NBA was changing over to like appearances and you know,

1187
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 3: it's a business and stuff. But I was fighting. I

1188
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 3: was fighting. I was I ain't cutting my hair where

1189
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 3: my AI was like I'm watching it, you know what

1190
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 3: I'm saying. And then TJ cut his hair like right

1191
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 3: before the draft. And then TJ my dad had TJ

1192
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 3: called me to like kind of taught me and come out,

1193
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: y'all go. So I went to Oklahoma State first braids

1194
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 3: and everything. I'm like, man, all right, you know, I'm

1195
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 3: looking at the team. I don't know who Tony Allen is.

1196
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I know playing against him. I ain't know

1197
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 3: the Grams cause they was coming off a redshirt year

1198
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 3: cause they transferred. I ain't know who Daniel Bobby was.

1199
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 3: I ain't know who a couple, but something in my

1200
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 3: spirit was like this is where you need to be.

1201
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 3: So when I was like commit, they never said nothing

1202
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 3: about cutting my hair. So now I was like, man,

1203
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 3: you know what, coach, I want to come here. So

1204
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 3: he was like, oh, you know, I got a couple

1205
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 3: of rules. I was like, okay, I'm thinking, like you know,

1206
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 3: he was like, one rule, I can't have braids, you

1207
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 3: can't have facial hair. Then you go back and look

1208
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: at our team number guys rue and my dad was

1209
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: like so I went back home was like, well, let

1210
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 3: me think about that. I flew back to Houston and

1211
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 3: I'm near my Barbara Marquette. I walked in there. I

1212
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: just firstly picked it up, and you know, you have

1213
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 3: braids for a long time, you still get the lines.

1214
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 3: I was like, chop it off. What my mama was man,

1215
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 3: because she was like, that's somebody, that's another man trying

1216
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 3: to control you. Like she barely. She very militant, and

1217
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 3: my dad was all for it. So I ended up

1218
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 3: cutting my hair and I committed in Oklahoma State and

1219
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 3: they didn't have no scholarships, so I didn't even care.

1220
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 3: I was like, gonna pay for school. So I ended

1221
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 3: up my junior year. Of the year, I won the

1222
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: Big Toy Player of the Year, John Nate Smith Award,

1223
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 3: First Team all the married. I'm just giving you a

1224
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 3: little bit of accolades.

1225
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 8: But but but I was a walk on respect greatest,

1226
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 8: greatest walk on ever and people didn't know I.

1227
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 3: Was walking on. I paid my ju go do it.

1228
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 3: They already came out with the facts. They already did it.

1229
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 4: So shouts to the Texas Place.

1230
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 3: So so I ended up paying my junior year. So

1231
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: the year we went to the Final four and stuff

1232
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: like I was a walking I always have been on scholarship.

1233
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: I didn't go on scholarship until my senior year. To

1234
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 3: my senior y'all went.

1235
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 2: On scholars boosters out of pocket. That should have made

1236
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 2: that happen. Walk On, walk On, he's the greatest.

1237
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 3: I gotta get it.

1238
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 8: I gotta get it.

1239
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 3: You know I got but hey, I gotta get it

1240
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 3: to in Chicago. So yes, gott he might be the

1241
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 3: best walk On ever.

1242
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: Shot to get him to the Final four.

1243
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 6: Though Shout looked at the elite lead. A game was

1244
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 6: was big.

1245
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 2: Though it was about to pay My favorite thing we

1246
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: was talking before the podcast, and that one was definitely

1247
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 2: fresher than you in college when it came to the shoes.

1248
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 3: But you had a good game that game, you know what, Jami,

1249
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 3: and now that every time you see me, curse me out.

1250
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 3: But his shoe game one better.

1251
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: Nah, you're crazy.

1252
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 3: I mean you you could just.

1253
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 4: You had a Nike deal.

1254
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 3: I didn't have a Nike deal.

1255
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 4: You Jordan deal.

1256
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 3: I didn't have a Jordan deal because you know, it

1257
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 3: wasn't no n I l at the time, so Pops

1258
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 3: had that. So I just took advantage of what Pops had.

1259
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 3: So I'm trying, like, now you can go on Nike

1260
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 3: Elaite and order could you get a little back then

1261
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 3: they used to bring your magazine and you had to

1262
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 3: go in there and order the magazine. Yeah, I'm I'm

1263
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 3: forty two. So it's like, you know, and seeing the transition.

1264
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 3: So I used to I used to make a point

1265
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 3: that when I first got the old said I was

1266
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 3: gonna wear a different pair of sshoe every game. Yeah,

1267
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 3: but then if I would have cooked, like you go

1268
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 3: to my locker. I had over thirty pair of shoes

1269
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 3: in my locker at school. But if I cooked in

1270
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 3: a shoe, I would stay with that shoe. I was superstishes,

1271
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: so I were the same socks, and then I end

1272
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 3: up put the socks on the same way. So if

1273
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 3: I ever put my right sock on first, it was

1274
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 3: always be my right so first, then my left shot,

1275
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,919
Speaker 3: and then I'll go who and I I scored another

1276
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 3: twenty ball, I'll do the same thing. But them two

1277
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 3: K four as will always saw so much the two

1278
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 3: K four as I had. You know, it's something about

1279
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 3: my step back in the two K fours, I got

1280
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 3: so much separation.

1281
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: I can only go right though.

1282
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 3: Right would be a fade away away my left to

1283
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 3: gather the gather step, and then my left would be

1284
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 3: a step back. Like I it didn't matter what however

1285
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 3: you want, but it was gonna be a step back.

1286
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1287
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 3: But I wasn't that tight player. I wasn't a one

1288
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 3: on one player like the ice My ice O game

1289
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 3: was trashed.

1290
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 4: You ain't had no shame or nothing.

1291
01:01:58,760 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 3: I ain't had none that. I'll just put you in

1292
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 3: the pick and roll, hit my hip and I had

1293
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 3: Iron May Fall and Joey Graham come to a pick

1294
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 3: and roll and then I bump you, put you on

1295
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 3: my hip. Read read read, and then I see the

1296
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 3: low man he might be.

1297
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 4: And that's what she was teaching youngster.

1298
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: I was trying to want to listen. Yeah, yeah, he

1299
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 3: wanted to be Jamal Crawford. But I just learned, like

1300
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 3: like I didn't have that one on one game.

1301
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 4: And I asked you to see this, nigga, now you have.

1302
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 3: Put him on your I'm serious, like I just used

1303
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 3: to right though. But he right though. But the things

1304
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: that I was trying to tell him back then, it's like, bro,

1305
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 3: that's the game. And I said, I was just trying

1306
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 3: to make the game as easy as possible for me. Yeah,

1307
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 3: that's like if I came out there, because my dad

1308
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 3: was like, you got a point five decision, making easy

1309
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 3: to catch you to go. He was like, you ain't

1310
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 3: no coach. You're gonna give you five seat dribble to

1311
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 3: get your ship off.

1312
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1313
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 3: So my catch it if I was ware doing for

1314
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 3: three was going up. If I saw you close out,

1315
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 3: I was going back. If I was going right, it

1316
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 3: was gonna be a gather fade away to my right

1317
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 3: because I wasn't going all the way in the pink

1318
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 3: because I probably got a block. If I go left,

1319
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 3: it was a step back, and I make sure I

1320
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 3: had the right angle just in case you showed me

1321
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 3: any kind of content. I was going off the glass.

1322
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 3: So its like I knew my spots. I want to

1323
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 3: move to your overseas run. How was that like?

1324
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 6: Did you feel like you had a transition your game

1325
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 6: when you went overseas for a little bit?

1326
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 3: Yes?

1327
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 5: Yes, so you do all this Oklahoma state, Yeah you killing.

1328
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 3: I went undrafted, drafted every seventeen crazy seventeen and five.

1329
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 3: Imagine coming out right now, Avery, I'm a liar of

1330
01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 3: me now, I mean people want to lie. Are you

1331
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 3: getting drafted with six points coming out eight points? Yeah.

1332
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 3: So it's like I was like if my dad told me, like,

1333
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 3: I was like washing it. I know I'm getting drafted.

1334
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 3: Work out with my dad told me you ain't getting drafted,

1335
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 3: Like he was like shut up. He was like, you're

1336
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 3: not even drafted. I ain't even gonna watch the draft.

1337
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 3: He went to the casino him my mom went to casino.

1338
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,439
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

1339
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 3: He knew.

1340
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 5: That's about words. That my situation, my bod worst in

1341
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 5: yours inside school.

1342
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he already knew I wasn't gonna get drass.

1343
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,479
Speaker 3: So I'm up here sitting in front of the TV

1344
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 3: like this, waiting like this. I'm like, oh yeah, yeah.

1345
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 3: The Rockets twenty twenty fifth they took Luther head shout

1346
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 3: out Luther's head. But I'm like, uh, like, I'm like

1347
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 3: I worked out for like every team. My agent at

1348
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 3: the time was David Folk, who was MJS, but my

1349
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 3: dad was David fowks first client ever, so it was

1350
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 3: like that was family. So I went with him off top.

1351
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 3: So it was just like okay, and then like David

1352
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 3: was like, oh, back in the day that you supper

1353
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 3: you with whoever the super he had everybody. So just

1354
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 3: imagine like Jeff t is the man, right and I'm

1355
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 3: a rookie, but he'll a rookie, he'll a free agent,

1356
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 3: but he the highest free agent. So the agents used

1357
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 3: to be like, Oh, if you want Jeff, you're gonna

1358
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 3: have to take here and here, So paggage deal. So

1359
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 3: that's what it was like. When I came out, it

1360
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 3: was package It's not like that anymore, but it was

1361
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 3: like package deal. So I was like, oh, David before

1362
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 3: got KG, he got everybody, so I didn't get drafted.

1363
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 3: So then I want to go what happened? I want?

1364
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 3: I played in three different summer leagues. I played in Vegas.

1365
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 3: They had one in Minnesota at the time, they had

1366
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 3: New York, Minnesota, New York, they had Boston. Boston was

1367
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 3: the other one and they had long been so it

1368
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 3: was New York. In the Minnesota, it was Cleveland, New York, Indiana.

1369
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 3: Minnesota is just a four team summer league at the targets,

1370
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 3: and that was my rookie here. And then I left

1371
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 3: there and I ended up playing with Cleveland Cavaliers in

1372
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 3: Vegas for their summer league. Okay, but I ended up

1373
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 3: signing with the Minnesota Timberwolves as the rookie right. So

1374
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 3: my rookie year, they drafted Bracy Right and they drafted

1375
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 3: Rishard mckins. Those are they two for the two picks.

1376
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 3: And then I was the third rookie, but I was undrafted,

1377
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 3: you know, I signed a camp deal. Yeah, And so

1378
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 3: we had Mario Marco Yarrich, We had Lionel Charmers who

1379
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 3: played Xavier, who's a dog. And we had Troy Hudson

1380
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 3: with the bread and but then Kate kg was there,

1381
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 3: whilely Zerbiad you know, Fred was there. We had Mad

1382
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 3: Dog was there. So I'm a rookie, so I'm there

1383
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 3: all summer. Dwayne Casey's the head coach, he just got

1384
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 3: the coaching job. So I'm there all summer. I'm training

1385
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 3: boom we godrinking. I'm actually doing. I'm like averaging like

1386
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 3: seven eight points when I'm when I'm getting my times

1387
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: only in the fourth quarter. I'm very efficient. So I

1388
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 3: ended up making the team. And then I went to

1389
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 3: bed that night. And matter of fact, you're not gonna

1390
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 3: believe this because but Floyd Mike, I think it was

1391
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 3: like Floyd Maywroth somebody had to fight, and I was

1392
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 3: staying at the Ratising Hotel, you know, the Rasting hotel

1393
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 3: right there, and that's what they had off the rookie

1394
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 3: staying at. So one day KG was like, YO, come

1395
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 3: to my house. We're gonna watch the fight.

1396
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: You know.

1397
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 3: I'm like all right, cool. So at the time his

1398
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 3: wife Brandy yep, and she was like, YO, where are

1399
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 3: your stuff at I'm like, huh, I thought I was

1400
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 3: just doing to watch the fight. He was like no,

1401
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 3: KG said, you moving with us?

1402
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: Nah?

1403
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 3: I know you know. So I'm like huh. So I

1404
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 3: go upstairs pack my bags real quid. So KG house unbelieving.

1405
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 3: So I had the whole guest house to myself. His

1406
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 3: best friend is like t Lou and Chauncey Bill. So

1407
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 3: the guest house was called the Bill Ups to stay

1408
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 3: because I guess when you know his family come there,

1409
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 3: that's what they would say. So I stayed in the

1410
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 3: guest house. So I didn't have my card at the time.

1411
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 3: He just brought this brand new CLS cherry beans for

1412
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 3: his wife. She hated the color, so he so much buddy,

1413
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 3: she threw me the key. He threw me the Key's like, yo,

1414
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 3: this is your car. Young fellow at paper place and everything.

1415
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,520
Speaker 3: I'm the only person in Minnesota rookie with the CLS

1416
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 3: twenty two inch rel driving and I'm like, I'm not

1417
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 3: on contract, you know what I'm saying. I'm living. So

1418
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 3: we planning. I'm doing my thing like and so I

1419
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 3: make the team. I go to bed that night, I'm like, man,

1420
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 3: I'm like like, thank you God, Like who I go

1421
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 3: to be? I wake up next morning they made a trade. Yeah,

1422
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 3: they made a trade. So I'm walking into the facility

1423
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 3: getting ready for the first day of official practice. They

1424
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 3: make a trade for Ronald Dupree from the Piston. So

1425
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 3: Kevin McKell pulled me to the off and they had

1426
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 3: to cut me KG cause a fit like that was

1427
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 3: like the fall of like KG like leaving Minnesota. So

1428
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 3: Kg's like, you ain't going nowhere, Lord, Lord, you ain't

1429
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 3: going nowhere like that. So he got me staying in Minnesota.

1430
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 3: He got me staying in Minnesota for two weeks. They're

1431
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 3: trying to figure it out, and my dad come, It's like, man,

1432
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 3: you don't bring your ass, like you know what I'm saying.

1433
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 3: I'm kids, you know. So I go home to Houston,

1434
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 3: right and we get back to training. Now I'm into

1435
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 3: My name ordinarily goes into the as the D League

1436
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 3: at the time, but I didn't even go through the

1437
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 3: draft because my name was so big in Oklahoma. They

1438
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 3: allocated me to go to Tulsa with the sixty six ers,

1439
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 3: and so I ended up playing like the first two

1440
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 3: months of the season in Tulsa and I'm averaging like

1441
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 3: eighteen twenty. I get my first call up. So I

1442
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 3: get a call up to my hometown team, Houston Rocket. Yes, sir,

1443
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 3: played against the Warriors. I never forget it. Play against

1444
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 3: the Warriors. That's when they had stack five, they had

1445
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 3: Baron Davis, you know what I'm saying. So I chick

1446
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 3: in at the game, like last two minutes of the games,

1447
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 3: like I'm like running out there with my head cut off,

1448
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 3: like a chicken with his head cut And I got

1449
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 3: a rebound on and stole the ball like I'm just

1450
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 3: moving so fast, I'm going crazy, and we end up

1451
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 3: losing that game. So then I ended up going and

1452
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 3: this wasn't the ten day. I just got called up

1453
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 3: because ten days haven't started yet. So we end up

1454
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 3: my next game is in DC. A lot of people

1455
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 3: don't know I was born in d C, so I

1456
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 3: got family in d C. I'm possibly playing for the

1457
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 3: Wizard the butt of the Bullets at the time, so

1458
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 3: me and my sister are born in DC originally, but

1459
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 3: I don't associate myself with DC because we moved when

1460
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 3: I was like two years old in Houston, so I'm

1461
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:55,560
Speaker 3: from Houston. I scored my first NBA bucket gets Chuckie Atkins.

1462
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: We just talked about that was that was my.

1463
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 3: First NBA bucket. Gets Ruckin Atkins, y'all mean comes to

1464
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 3: the side picking roll for me, coming to my right hand,

1465
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 3: and I hit a floater and my aunt, my dad's

1466
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 3: sister at the time, she was in the stand, so

1467
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 3: I had a family members and so that was my

1468
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 3: first NBA bucket was a floater at the arena. But yeah,

1469
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 3: and then I got cut the next Then we got

1470
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 3: cut the next day. I got cut the next day

1471
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 3: because no but I got cut the next day because

1472
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 3: they had to let me go. So they went and

1473
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 3: pay extra in taxies. So I ended up flying back

1474
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 3: with the team to Houston. I had to miss one

1475
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 3: day of practice and then ten days started. So then

1476
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 3: me and Chuck Hayes both signed ten day contracts and

1477
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 3: then I signed another ten day after that, and then

1478
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 3: they had to make a decision or where They're gonna

1479
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 3: keep me for the rest of the year or they

1480
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 3: was gonna let me go. So they ended up letting

1481
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 3: me go. They kept Chuck Hayes, So I ended up

1482
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 3: going back to Tulsa finished up that year and then

1483
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 3: that's when I went to Europe. Then a team in

1484
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 3: Italy called me to go play in the playoffs, and

1485
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 3: that's when I played with Poor Allen, Yeah Street, you

1486
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 3: know poor Allen University coach.

1487
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:06,919
Speaker 1: He coached me in Boston.

1488
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 3: Correct, So cool was I replaced? I didn't replace him,

1489
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 3: he was injured, so I was kind of like coming

1490
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 3: in on his spot. And I've never been overseas a

1491
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 3: day in my life mm hm, And so I was like,

1492
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 3: oh no, I was ready to check out. They put

1493
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 3: me in a hotel, you know, you in the NBA

1494
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 3: us A, and they put me in a hole in

1495
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 3: the wall. And then I was like, I'm calasophobic a

1496
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 3: little bit, so I wanted to go raise the window.

1497
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 3: No light coming in because they had a metal sheet

1498
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 3: over the window. I'm like, oh, man, got me in jail,

1499
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 3: Like that's why but I didn't know that was their

1500
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 3: blind So it's a metal sheet to keep the you know.

1501
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 3: So so if I would have went like this, then

1502
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 3: the metal sheet goes up. I didn't know that, like,

1503
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 3: and the bed was fall out out and my dad.

1504
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 3: I called my dad. I was like, man, I'm about

1505
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 3: to swipe the car. Just know I'm about to swipe

1506
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 3: the car, and I'm coming home. They can keep this

1507
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 3: bread like. I'm just gonna get ready for some leg

1508
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 3: My dad was like, just go to the first practice.

1509
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 3: He was like, just go to because you know, when

1510
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 3: I get around ball, I'm in my conference zone straight.

1511
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 3: So I went to my first practice and I was, okay,

1512
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 3: let me, I can do one more day. And then

1513
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 3: I just kept letting, and then I just that was

1514
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:13,799
Speaker 3: my first time playing Europe and I played only played playoffs.

1515
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 3: I got thirty five thousand for seven games. That was

1516
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 3: more than my G League contact, my D League contact

1517
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 3: because at the time, that was a year in G League, right, No,

1518
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 3: less was my biggest contract in the in the D

1519
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 3: League was we had. So this was I feel like

1520
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 3: they should bring it to the NIL because this shit,

1521
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I was just speaking about

1522
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 3: this like in the D League at the time. You

1523
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 3: had three contents. You had an A contract, you had

1524
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 3: a B contract, and you have a C contract. This

1525
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 3: is the game. Yeah, two top dogs got the A

1526
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 3: contract in the A contract with twenty five thousand dollars. Oh,

1527
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 3: that was the That was the A. The B contract

1528
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 3: was eighteen to five. The C contract was around fifteen

1529
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 3: something games.

1530
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: You played a week energy week.

1531
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 3: Three played three and so me and but Noard King

1532
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,560
Speaker 3: was on the A Contractard King went to Texas A

1533
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 3: and l boy no, no, no, and then we and

1534
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 3: then we had our Will Conroy who was doing this

1535
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 3: thing at USC. He was he had Washington now he's

1536
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 3: at USC. He was a teammate of mine, right and

1537
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 3: he was a point guard. So Will and I used

1538
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 3: to bump his all time because he thought he should

1539
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 3: be playing more than me. But he just made each

1540
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 3: other better, you know what I'm saying. And when I

1541
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 3: get called up, he will start. But when I come back,

1542
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 3: I get my spot back, and it will always call

1543
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 3: friction because he'll be hooping, you know what I'm saying.

1544
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 3: But I coach at the time, coach myers when it

1545
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 3: be like, oh, we're gonna ease you back in. I

1546
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 3: was like, now you can, You're coming back. You just

1547
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 3: get your spot right now. Yeah, so it called out.

1548
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 3: I only made twenty five thousand my first year as

1549
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 3: a professional, first of all player. Then I went to

1550
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 3: Italy and made the thirty five. So my man, I'm

1551
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 3: looking at I made like seventy thousand, a little bit

1552
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,719
Speaker 3: and some change my my first year is profession athlete.

1553
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 3: And so I was like, man, I'm not going back

1554
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 3: over whatever it is. But I'm just saying, but I

1555
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 3: mean other money besides that, we have we have bonuses. Though,

1556
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 3: I have bonuses in my in, my in, my thing,

1557
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 3: so yeah I have I have bonuses and stuff like

1558
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 3: if I score a certain mound points. I got like

1559
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 3: this because Europe is different, get bonuses. So I told

1560
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 3: my part I ain't going back overseas.

1561
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 4: What was your I mean, what was the difference stuff?

1562
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 3: What you mean lifestyle? And I was home. I couldn't

1563
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 3: understand nothing.

1564
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 6: Nobody was saying to Italy, Oh yeah me either. What's

1565
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 6: the game, Like, huh, the game?

1566
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:40,480
Speaker 3: The game is very strategic. The game is very strategic.

1567
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 3: They wanted to be a playmaker, like they want they

1568
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,799
Speaker 3: really want me to be a point guard. Oh okay,

1569
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 3: but I'm a points guard. Points I got points, and

1570
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,679
Speaker 3: I usually get frustrated because would be losing. They put

1571
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 3: me in the game and I scored quick fifteen, then

1572
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 3: they take me the game. I'm like, yo, I'm on fire,

1573
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:02,640
Speaker 3: Why do you take me out the game? They'll go

1574
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 3: back and so I would be like, you know what

1575
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 3: I'm saying, he playing like with me? So I never

1576
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 3: I didn't fit Europe, but I played euro League like

1577
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 3: we lost in the final. For I played on some

1578
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 3: good teams, but I was like, like, y'all put me

1579
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 3: in the game when we down, and then when we

1580
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 3: when I get us back in the game, y'all take

1581
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 3: me out. Ye who was the cold that you saw

1582
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 3: over there when he was across the water Bell and Nelly?

1583
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: Nelly?

1584
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 3: He was the person he played and then the other

1585
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 3: one was the other one was.

1586
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: He was playing in New Orleans about ten screens?

1587
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 3: What's the one that? And the big man who got

1588
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 3: drafted by Toronto first round? Nelly Yanni was the other one.

1589
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 3: I played him in Italy was nice, but in Spain, Spain,

1590
01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 3: my teammate was talking to Iago splitter y'all, so we lost.

1591
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 3: So that was the year I won, so people don't

1592
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 3: even realize I won a D League championship with the

1593
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 3: Colorado fourteeners.

1594
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: I left them, so it's me.

1595
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 3: Colorado fourteen. They got better, but I had Sonny Wims

1596
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 3: on my team, so we were We had an NBA

1597
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 3: team like Sernie Hamilton was on that team. You probably

1598
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 3: play against Vernon Dam so we always team. We we

1599
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 3: ran through. We end up beating Salt Lake City Stars

1600
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 3: in the championship two days. Two days later, I'm in

1601
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 3: Spain playing for the U League Championship and then we

1602
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 3: end up losing in the final four, and then we

1603
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 3: end up losing to Barcelona in the A C B Championship.

1604
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 3: So I could have tried to win three championships in

1605
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 3: one year. That's fine, But back to like my first

1606
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 3: year after I came back from Italy, I'm not going

1607
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 3: back to Europe. So I ended up playing Summer League

1608
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 3: with the Rockets. I should have got MVP of Summer League,

1609
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 3: but technically I wasn't a rookie because I played so

1610
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 3: Randy Foy that year is when Nate Nate went crazy

1611
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 3: in that and then Randy Foyd was a rookie that

1612
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 3: year with men of Minnesota. I averaged twenty eight, eight

1613
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 3: and eight in summer with the Houston Rockets. Guess who

1614
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 3: my coach was, your dad? No, I guess you. My

1615
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 3: coach was Tom Thibodeau. Tims read every play for me.

1616
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 2: If you know Timms, if he like you, you're gonna

1617
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 2: get every play call.

1618
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 3: Every play I had angle, I had side pick and roll.

1619
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 3: Everything was me coming off the pig into all my

1620
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 3: sweet spots and he said, if you see the rim,

1621
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 3: you let it go.

1622
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: Ti.

1623
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 3: I had Pat Carroll who played for He was on

1624
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 3: my team, so I got a lot of from him.

1625
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 1: And then if you look like people you've been with.

1626
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 3: Tim tis my favorite coach Till. I love coaches like Tills,

1627
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 3: my favorite. My best career is in the NBA was

1628
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 3: coaches that fell unneath the same unbro So Tills, Ben

1629
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 3: Gundhi and Stan Benga.

1630
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: They are all the same. They wanted the same.

1631
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 3: They wanted played for Jeff Yep Houston. Jeff was my

1632
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 3: coach and then Tims was my workout guy. So every

1633
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 3: day I worked out with Tills.

1634
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: They wanted the same.

1635
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 3: Every day until y'all me step some court and I

1636
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 3: had to move to the side and it was time

1637
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 3: for y'all mean to get his work. But yeah, ray

1638
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 3: for Austin load. They wanted, you know, we so Tims

1639
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 3: ended up coaching something league. I aver twenty eighty eight.

1640
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 3: I signed my contract in the bathroom. I signed a

1641
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 3: three year contract from one point nine. And that ain't

1642
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 3: that's bro, That's no bread.

1643
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: From what point you're just trying to get.

1644
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 3: That's no bread. It's bread, but it's no bread. But

1645
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 3: at the time, you know, I'm like, you're trying not

1646
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 3: to go back. I should have won the New Orleans

1647
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 3: I should have been Chris Paul Backer. What they wanted

1648
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 3: to do was I should have just left to see

1649
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 3: Houston when I was got three for three. It was

1650
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 3: too much.

1651
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 1: He was in love. He was in love with being

1652
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: at home.

1653
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 3: I'm home.

1654
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: That was a great time in Houston.

1655
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 3: It was a great Timmy. I'm I'm the prince of

1656
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 3: the city, like you know, out every night.

1657
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 1: In the president of city, pent.

1658
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 3: City, being like Jesse. Imagine, like I don't know about

1659
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 3: three to have about night clubs. I don't go to clubs,

1660
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 3: but I was him.

1661
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:46,719
Speaker 1: I was him before everybody saying week in the bitch

1662
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: on uh.

1663
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 3: You know, just some heat. You know, I keep trying

1664
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 3: to tell you. It was crazy and we had a

1665
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 3: good team.

1666
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: Though.

1667
01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 3: Color the which one of.

1668
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 1: The Kobe your phone, you could be sick of it.

1669
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 3: It was blue.

1670
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 4: It was like.

1671
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 3: It was blue blue. It was like the different. It

1672
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 3: was different. You know, you know I can tell you exactly.

1673
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 3: Let me show you step back.

1674
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: Was coming on that one.

1675
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 3: Color right that coming on that? How was going left?

1676
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 6: I see the feed, I was going left, say man,

1677
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 6: shout out to the fourteen I had.

1678
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 3: I had a nice little hairline. Then it just disappeared

1679
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 3: one day disappeared.

1680
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 5: So you're going from Houston and now you got to

1681
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:42,719
Speaker 5: make your way in the NBA. You know, you signed

1682
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 5: your three year deal. You're back at the city. What's

1683
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 5: that journey like.

1684
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:48,759
Speaker 3: In Houston?

1685
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:50,640
Speaker 1: I mean you get you get to Houston, you got

1686
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: your three year deal.

1687
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:51,640
Speaker 2: Man.

1688
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 3: I stayed at my parents' house.

1689
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: You ain't the only one.

1690
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:56,679
Speaker 3: Like my dad was like, you ain't gonna get no spot.

1691
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 3: I was like looking for places. He was like, no,

1692
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 3: you gonna stay right here. You're gonna say you're gona

1693
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 3: say right here. I'm gonna stack your money up.

1694
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 1: I had girls and my mom and daddy when I

1695
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 1: moved back then, No, I just.

1696
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 3: You know, hotel room about two hundreds, you know, yeah,

1697
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 3: you know, you know I probably got a little paper

1698
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 3: in my podcasting forty he going to a trap house,

1699
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 3: but I got but my dad was. But the thing is,

1700
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 3: my dad I didn't realize. He was like, bro, you

1701
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 3: ain't really making money like that because taxes and everything

1702
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 3: come in. It was like, you just stay at the house,

1703
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,720
Speaker 3: your mama cook every night. We ain't gonna bother you.

1704
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 3: We I don't give it them when you come home,

1705
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 3: no matter if you come home. And now you've grown.

1706
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 3: But he was like, you stack your braid. So what

1707
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 3: I used to do with my my first check, I

1708
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 3: used to keep a check and then I send a

1709
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 3: check to my financial. I keep a check, send the

1710
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 3: next check to my financial. So it's just like I

1711
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 3: was the Thacond. But my habit was out by jewelry.

1712
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1713
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 3: Like my thing was like I was like, okay, I'm

1714
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 3: gonna get a new change. So my dad was like

1715
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 3: he'll let me make those mistakes. He was, Oh, you

1716
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 3: got a new chain, Oh you got a new watch.

1717
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,679
Speaker 3: I ain't got a new bracelet. Like he just kept

1718
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 3: it was okay, like he'd just let me, you know,

1719
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 3: because he was like he's gonna everybody got to go

1720
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 3: through them. But he was like it was a teaching lesson.

1721
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 3: But I'm thinking, like I'm doing good saving. But then

1722
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 3: when you go to jew or you see a new

1723
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 3: chain you want and you try to trade in your

1724
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 3: chain and it's the same change you just brought frohim

1725
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 3: like two weeks ago, but he trying to knock off

1726
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 3: three thousands of the price. So I was like, the

1727
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 3: value di, So you just learned as you go. My

1728
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 3: path is like everything my pops did for me was

1729
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 3: a learning lesson. I called it. I call him the

1730
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 3: blueprint is definitely, I call him the blueprint. But yeah,

1731
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 3: I stayed home. And how long did you stay home?

1732
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 3: You stayed home years? I stayed I got there. I

1733
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 3: stayed two years. And then they fired Jeff. They brought

1734
01:23:55,600 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 3: in recounted me, and we brought back Steve Francis, We

1735
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 3: brought back Mike James, old school Mac James, and then

1736
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 3: we had then we just drafted Aaron Brooks, we had

1737
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 3: we had myself, we had Rafael Austin.

1738
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: Shot the world with you.

1739
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:22,640
Speaker 3: So then we had seven point guards all in the

1740
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 3: guaranteed contracts, so I and so I tried to get cut.

1741
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm gonna go play for another team,

1742
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 3: but they owe me like seven hundred, but they wanted

1743
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 3: me to give money back, and my daddy always told me,

1744
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 3: don't get no money back. So I just went into

1745
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 3: training camp and I just played my heart out like

1746
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 3: I was about to change their minds. They just brought

1747
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 3: back Steve Francis before me and gave Mike James for me,

1748
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 3: and then they trying to trade Ray for Austin. They

1749
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 3: drafted Aaron Brooks, you know what I'm saying. So it

1750
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 3: was like I went in there and then I had

1751
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 3: a hell of preseason and they kept me all the

1752
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 3: way to the end, and Rick Adaman was trying to

1753
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 3: figure out a way to keep me on because I

1754
01:24:56,200 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 3: actually was playing football and I just got first D

1755
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 3: and when they cut me, I was still getting paid,

1756
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 3: and I was just like, you know what, I'm going

1757
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 3: to enjoy the holidays. So I enjoyed Thanksgiving, Christmas and

1758
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 3: New Year's and then I was itching to play. And

1759
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 3: then that's why I called my agents, Okay, I'm ready

1760
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 3: to go play, and so I did my second stint

1761
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 3: in Europe with a euro League team called Benetton. It's

1762
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 3: not there anymore. It was in Treviso and Reach Games

1763
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 3: was a teammate of mine, Royo Austin, and then Lionel

1764
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 3: Charmers was a teammate of mine who I went against

1765
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 3: in Minnesota and Minnesota. Yeah, so it was just like that,

1766
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 3: and then we ain't gonna talk about that situation. But

1767
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 3: I ended up leaving that situation. I got picked up

1768
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 3: by the Seattle SuperSonics. But the way I left in

1769
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 3: Italy that held my release papers. So I took my

1770
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 3: physical on everysteine to play the last year with the

1771
01:25:54,520 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 3: Seattle SuperSonics, which was Jeff Green and Kd's year, and yeah,

1772
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 3: I'm about to run out on the court and Sam

1773
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 3: Precy pulled me to his side, said they won't. They

1774
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 3: won't give us your release paper. So they end up

1775
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 3: signing the boy from your hometown, Eddie Gill Little.

1776
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 1: Oh he's talking about he worked with he worked with

1777
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 1: the patients.

1778
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 3: But Eddie, they end up and Eddie Gill got that

1779
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 3: get them last thirty days when I was supposed to

1780
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 3: get that cost me, Like I'm being at least to

1781
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 3: seventy five three. So then then okay See and then

1782
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 3: Seattle end up moving to ok See and I ended

1783
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 3: up playing on ok See team.

1784
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, mate, I had a couple of great So

1785
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 2: we got to ask you a couple before we get

1786
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 2: out of here. Let's talk about the Bulls situation in Chicago. Obviously,

1787
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 2: great weekend, Honor and d Rose. I wasn't playing in

1788
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 2: the city of Chicago, man, best city ever.

1789
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 5: It ain't the best city ever, but it's really nice

1790
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 5: for basketball Indianapolis.

1791
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 4: Don't let them.

1792
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 3: Actually, it's nothing like walking on the same hallway Jordan's

1793
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 3: and Pipping and all them walk in every night. And

1794
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 3: then it sold out that you yeah what I'm saying,

1795
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 3: and it so and it sold out every game and

1796
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 3: we was the number one team in the NBA.

1797
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: I killed y'all though, but y'all, we still.

1798
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 3: Won the battle. You know what I'm saying. I whole award.

1799
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 3: We want, we want everything about it. We want everything.

1800
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 3: But like we they almost they almost had us in

1801
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 3: the playoffs. They almost had us in the playoffs. Shout

1802
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 3: out to Smooth. We used to love with Smooth made

1803
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 3: his first shot because we was like, oh, he gonna

1804
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 3: take away Jeff's shots. He's gonna take away Johnson shot

1805
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 3: because he gonna think he owns. And that's what happened

1806
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,560
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, end up being all game six and

1807
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 3: when he hit that first shot in Atlanta in that

1808
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 3: game six, we was all on the bench. Oh yes,

1809
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 3: we got him. We got him, man. But I'm just

1810
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 3: saying he would be he would be owned. So you know,

1811
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 3: as any score would be. You see your you see

1812
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 3: the ball going, you're gonna think you own. But now

1813
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 3: you're taking shots because Jeff and Joe, Jeff and Joe

1814
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 3: was cooking us. That's that that's serious. Was it was playing.

1815
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 3: It was playing great basketball. But we just had we

1816
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 3: had Pod and and and who would do some humble

1817
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 3: you know that's m v P year. He did.

1818
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 5: What like like, you know, you've been a part about

1819
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 5: some you've been around Kobe, He's been on some great players.

1820
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 5: When before damn d Rose got hurt, before you got hurt, Like,

1821
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 5: where did you rank him?

1822
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 1: Like what did you see? Because niggas was scared of him?

1823
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 3: Oh bro, we had we used to have this thing

1824
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 3: called the Rose flew. People was ducking him. Oh god,

1825
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 3: some of your favorite players was ducking him. I'm gonna

1826
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 3: say that in the camp, some of your favorite players

1827
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,600
Speaker 3: that was dunking him ship and we've seen him. I

1828
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 3: ain't gonna say no names because he's all colleagues, but we,

1829
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 3: like we'll be we used to mess with like the

1830
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:00,839
Speaker 3: other point guards on the team, because you know, sometimes

1831
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 3: he'd be playing sometimes, you know, we'd be like, oh

1832
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 3: he playing today? Are he playing today? We just warm

1833
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 3: up seeing that, and all of a sudden, like we

1834
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 3: get to report before the game start, so and so

1835
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 3: out with an ankle injury. But we just saw him

1836
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 3: work out a full workout before the game. Nobody, kids,

1837
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 3: you not, nobody wanted to smoke with that man. The

1838
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:25,919
Speaker 3: kids today not even gonna realize how much of an impact,

1839
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 3: but how good d Rose wasivable. He was unbelievable and

1840
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 3: he practiced hard.

1841
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 4: Do you think job Moran is comparable.

1842
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: No, he was unbelievable, specially.

1843
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 3: Job specially two different. I see the similarities and certain thing,

1844
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 3: but I don't think you can compare anybody him at

1845
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 3: that time. Animal, I'm just I'm night in and night

1846
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 3: out practice every day seeing it.

1847
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 5: You know, you just and at that time, no disrespect

1848
01:29:58,520 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 5: to the point guards. Now, it was just like a

1849
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 5: elite level of point guard.

1850
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Will, everybody is every point guard was called rando

1851
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 2: CP Steve nash Will, like he said, every team point

1852
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 2: guard was just nasty, nasty.

1853
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,440
Speaker 1: It was like you had young Kimball, Brandon Jennings.

1854
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 3: Separated yourself just from everybody.

1855
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 4: He was just he just.

1856
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 1: But you had.

1857
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 3: You know, you just it was just he was like

1858
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 3: it was just he was different and you could tell

1859
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 3: how this you know, it was crazy how the city was,

1860
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 3: how the city showing him love for this, what we're

1861
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 3: what we're out here for Jesse. Imagine he brought that

1862
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 3: energy they're giving him now, he brought that every night

1863
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,560
Speaker 3: because he wasn't gonna let the city down. Yeah, he

1864
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 3: did it more than just for him and his family.

1865
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 3: He did it for the for the shot.

1866
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 5: Playing against him at that time, like I had guard

1867
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 5: like all the fire point guard at this time, and

1868
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 5: like him, it was just like this nigga just got

1869
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:03,919
Speaker 5: a different gear, Like I wasn't scared of nobody playing basketball.

1870
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 5: Was like I wasn't scared of him, Like I played

1871
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 5: him in high school. And then you get every they

1872
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 5: used to run his forehead play. They run it every

1873
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 5: time down You're like what the fuck and he just

1874
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 5: never stopped you. He missed two shots, like yeah, motheruck,

1875
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 5: he can't shoot the next four possessions. He's attacking you

1876
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 5: like he never quit, Like like yo, this that's why

1877
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 5: I tell you to guard Steph. I didn't guard Kyrie.

1878
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 5: I didn't guard you name.

1879
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 2: Him see will cp he Rose was the most like

1880
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 2: he was crazy, bro. I'm like, yeah, this niggad different?

1881
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 4: Who next in line?

1882
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: Though?

1883
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 3: He got here?

1884
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 4: Who you got next on?

1885
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: Like who?

1886
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 2: I just couldn't stand the guard because it was just

1887
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 2: like Steph is annoying because he's not.

1888
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 1: Even like a point. He like throw the ball and

1889
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: then he started running Kyrie.

1890
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:57,799
Speaker 4: Kyrie.

1891
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 5: Kyrie is like guarding a two guard like Guard and

1892
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 5: Kobe Bryant. He gonna post you up, He's gonna do

1893
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 5: all that stuff. But like I rather guard Kyrie because

1894
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,799
Speaker 5: I know where he gonna catch the ball. Like d Rose,

1895
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 5: he bringing the ball up, getting a pick and roll.

1896
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 1: He might call pick and roll off. He might I

1897
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 1: sow you know, like you didn't know.

1898
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 2: And it was all like attacking, like Kyrie might jab

1899
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,679
Speaker 2: you jabby three and if you three, you can test

1900
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 2: you just got.

1901
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,639
Speaker 1: To live with it. The Rose wants you no threes.

1902
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 3: He was getting. He was straight at you like you

1903
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 3: north to south.

1904
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 1: You either go on getting a foul or you're getting

1905
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 1: scored on it. And then Westbrook was kind of like similar.

1906
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 2: The only thing that held Westbrook back is like he

1907
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 2: had k D and James at this time, and it's

1908
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 2: like not holding back, but you knew like he had

1909
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 2: to at some point in time.

1910
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 5: These two guys touched the rock. Rose had that Lou

1911
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 5: was gonna cut. He was finding all them. Nobody had

1912
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 5: no set plays. It was just really d ro is

1913
01:32:58,040 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 5: gonna make the place for everybody else.

1914
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 3: But he was, Yeah, he was, and you know it

1915
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,560
Speaker 3: made us so good that we had great players, but

1916
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,560
Speaker 3: everybody knew they wrong. We all accepted that.

1917
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 7: Bro.

1918
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 3: I knew I wasn't gonna play with c J. And

1919
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 3: d Rose was healthy, you know, but I had to

1920
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 3: stay ready because tims were always because of my shooting ability.

1921
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 3: He'll throw me in at the two guard to spread

1922
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 3: the court out, and now my guy would go help

1923
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 3: d Rose because he's drawing some more attention kick out

1924
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 3: of me. So you always had this even though I knew, like, okay,

1925
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 3: they're healthy, I might not play today, so but I

1926
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 3: was just.

1927
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 1: I was just.

1928
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 3: I always wanted to be one of the one percent.

1929
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 2: Happen when Lebron jumped over you. I don't know how

1930
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 2: I got to that, because that's all I have.

1931
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 6: I was gonna slide to my nigga transitioning from basketball

1932
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 6: to coaching.

1933
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 3: We're here, I mean you woke up. That ship was

1934
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 3: everywhere about like I'm being the Hall of Fame every time.

1935
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 3: I don't fame every time the playoffs start, and I'm

1936
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 3: cool with it.

1937
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: Three is what was you thinking?

1938
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 3: I wasn't thinking. I ain't see it happen until until

1939
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 3: we called time out and they put it on the jumper.

1940
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 3: Why didn't you electric slide to the left because of

1941
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 3: rip him? I can't wait for him to get here,

1942
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,680
Speaker 3: that's yeah, because it was ripped guy. Yeah, he was

1943
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:27,600
Speaker 3: supposed to drop back. I called to pick out. He

1944
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 3: supposed drop back. He supposed to be the low man.

1945
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:33,680
Speaker 3: But you know we so defensively minded. Tips. Okay, you

1946
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 3: got caught up on the screen, so let me. I

1947
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 3: gotta take your spot, and that goofy ass play. They

1948
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 3: still running to this day. Mario, who is one of

1949
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,720
Speaker 3: my really good friends man. When he did that, I

1950
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 3: he talked to him for like two days he could.

1951
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 3: I didn't talk to him. It was he jumped and

1952
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 3: when I when I look, I'm like, dn, who he

1953
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 3: throwing that too?

1954
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 2: And then like that.

1955
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 3: But that is my mind, so I'm like, yo, who

1956
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 3: he throwing that to? And when I when I looked

1957
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 3: up and you see me like this, all I see

1958
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 3: is and I'm like, he dunted it, and he had

1959
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 3: a nerve to look back at it. So my mind

1960
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 3: she was like, yo, here, you'll tee the ball. I'm

1961
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 3: gonna run. I'm gonna run down and get a bucket.

1962
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 3: But Tims called a timeout. So now when Tim's call

1963
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 3: So now when Tim's call a time out, we're sitting.

1964
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 3: Now Tim's in the middle with Andy and all them,

1965
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 3: and now they got it going over the jumble like

1966
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 3: and Miami. You know, they were all white at the game.

1967
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 3: So you're looking up and it's all white and it

1968
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 3: is Oh, they're going crazy, you know what I'm saying.

1969
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 3: I'm like, and then he sucked me out.

1970
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 10: If he wasn't, if he watched the time I'm about

1971
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 10: to get back in the game, he put pull back

1972
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 10: in the game, so I ain't really get my look

1973
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 10: back into.

1974
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 3: Two weeks later today came here. But what saved me

1975
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 3: was like two days later. That's when because I was

1976
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:59,719
Speaker 3: number one for like a lot until until Blake Griffin

1977
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 3: don't don't Kendrick Perkins and throw the ball man, and

1978
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 3: then he became No. One and I slid. Yeah, but

1979
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 3: that's what's saying.

1980
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 1: For the show.

1981
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but when that happened, Bro, I could like, and

1982
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 3: now you're like people like you know you got don't

1983
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 3: know my lebron like you. It's Jason Serry's a lot

1984
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 3: of y'all in that.

1985
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 1: Iconic.

1986
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 3: That's because clear bro he did, but he boomed up.

1987
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 3: It got it got to the point in that game

1988
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 3: I thought he was picking on me. Bro First he

1989
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 3: jumped over me, right, and then I'm picking up full court.

1990
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 3: He set up screen on me. I thought it was

1991
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 3: le I tried to fight him. I got up to

1992
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 3: fight him.

1993
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:47,560
Speaker 2: I got to slip you feel like I feel about Broo.

1994
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,639
Speaker 2: I just said I can't be Yeah, it's like I'm

1995
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 2: taking him out.

1996
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 3: I just ran it.

1997
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 1: He went to the stands popcorn.

1998
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 6: That's what happened when niggas get embarrassed on the court.

1999
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 6: They trying to play extra hard.

2000
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 3: Nah, bro, I give you not. He said a pick

2001
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 3: on me. It was a legal screen like once you

2002
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 3: go back and watch it. But I was just like,

2003
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 3: oh he picked. I got a little man syndron boat

2004
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 3: like I feel like, like I ain't never gonna let

2005
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 3: nobody talk to get Like he's been around me, so

2006
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 3: he's seen he's seen a different side of me. So

2007
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, he gotta see me now. So it's

2008
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:27,720
Speaker 3: like I'm trying to get up, but it's wet on

2009
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:29,640
Speaker 3: the court, so I'm slipping his slide and trying to

2010
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,599
Speaker 3: get to him. And when I pushed him, he didn't

2011
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 3: move and I went back and so now I'm like,

2012
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 3: oh ok. All I said was like, oh, let it

2013
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 3: be an NBA fight. Let everybody like, let everybody come

2014
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 3: in the middle and break it up, and then I'm

2015
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 3: gonna turn up. Oh you like that. And that's what

2016
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 3: happened because gets it ran over the room quick and

2017
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 3: like and like uh ma bo charmers who like get

2018
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 3: off me, like you know what I'm saying, Like, man,

2019
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 3: I got that unchecked. I was hot, but I was

2020
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 3: just like, oh you got and then two weeks later

2021
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 3: they came back, and for like a whole two weeks,

2022
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 3: I was just kept seeing there. Yeah, like Poo's one

2023
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 3: of my bits, like one of my really good friends,

2024
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 3: like he know how me and Pool. So Pool was

2025
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 3: really supposed to come back that game when we played

2026
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 3: Miami here and I knew if he came back. I

2027
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 3: called him on the phone. I said, Yo, gee, you

2028
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:33,680
Speaker 3: gotta sit out this game. And he was like what

2029
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 3: because he was itching to get back. You know, he

2030
01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 3: missed like fos this game. I think he had turf

2031
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 3: toward it was something one of the injuries that I said, bo,

2032
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 3: this game, sit out. I gotta get my lick back.

2033
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 3: Like you don't realize what it been like for these

2034
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 3: two weeks for me, you know what I'm saying. My

2035
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 3: dad called me talking about that we about to get

2036
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 3: put in protective custody, and like he called me talking about, damn,

2037
01:38:57,160 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 3: you done make the name fame wors than ever, like

2038
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:02,639
Speaker 3: he met swe me, and so I'm like, I gotta

2039
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 3: get my lick back, right man, everywhere I was everywhere.

2040
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:09,679
Speaker 3: So I'm driving down the hallway right here. I lived

2041
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 3: out north cause we practice out there. I'm driving now

2042
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 3: it was I g if you if I sit out,

2043
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 3: you better kill. I said copy like no more man,

2044
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 3: I had like three red bulls that I was turnt man.

2045
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 3: I check in the game, it was got I ain't

2046
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:29,800
Speaker 3: I missed that one shot. I mean the only shot

2047
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 3: I missed was a wide open corner three. That was

2048
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 3: the only shot I missed that I had twenty four

2049
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 3: points National te game. And then I already had in

2050
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 3: my mind if he because I was gonna cook Mario

2051
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 3: and I was gonna cook Norse Cou. I did then

2052
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 3: my guy, but I had one person in mind that

2053
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 3: I had to get my link back. But those are

2054
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,840
Speaker 3: the guys that was guarding me. But I knew if

2055
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 3: I cooked, was gonna switch off.

2056
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:57,760
Speaker 1: Come over there.

2057
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 3: Fourth quarter, Bron switched off on me and kids calling

2058
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 3: to play for lou Out. That play went through everyone.

2059
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:06,680
Speaker 3: All I saw is like that summer because it was

2060
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 3: lockout here that summer. I was playing in New York,

2061
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:10,560
Speaker 3: so I was like really working on my game. So

2062
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:13,679
Speaker 3: that's summer sifty and Nike New York. I heard about

2063
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 3: that I had sixty the night KD has sixty one.

2064
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:19,640
Speaker 3: I played in that game at Rutger. I had twenty one.

2065
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 3: The next night we played him, I had sixty, he

2066
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 3: had forty nine, but he won. So you know, but

2067
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 3: I made I made my name in New York as

2068
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 3: well by going to cool Hand Loo, Cool Hand Lo,

2069
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 3: Cool Hand Lou the gun Slinger. And so so when

2070
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 3: we came back, I started working on a double step back.

2071
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:43,439
Speaker 3: So I was like, I got it. It's almost like you,

2072
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 3: you know, like a boxer, you gotta get your jab.

2073
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 3: So to me, a step back is like to get

2074
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 3: you separation. Because of his length in my size, I

2075
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 3: knew I had to.

2076
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 1: I can't let that keep a gang with you. I

2077
01:40:59,240 --> 01:40:59,640
Speaker 1: didn't with.

2078
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:16,719
Speaker 11: Grace's crazy that that's David and Ca Williams in Friday, Oh.

2079
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 4: Yo, or.

2080
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 3: I am a boy, oh my god son. So anyway,

2081
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 3: I had to go through a double step back because

2082
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 3: his arm limb right, DJ. So his arm limb so

2083
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 3: his arm lift DJ. I had because I had to

2084
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 3: see the rim. So when I hit him with the

2085
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 3: double and then I hit him him and so then

2086
01:41:58,080 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 3: I got my show. And so when I hit the show,

2087
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:02,439
Speaker 3: I knew what the cameras were. What you do, I said,

2088
01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 3: he can't hold me. It's all facts. Yeah, I said

2089
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:10,639
Speaker 3: he can't mother fucking hold me either. I look dead

2090
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:13,320
Speaker 3: in the camera said that he was, and my dad

2091
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:15,200
Speaker 3: called me, said, you had an out of body experience.

2092
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:22,560
Speaker 3: He was like, listen, listen. He always humbles you. So

2093
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 3: he was like, let's keep it a buck. You had

2094
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 3: an out of body experience. Like you know what I'm saying.

2095
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 3: He kept the buck with me.

2096
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 5: So that was I had thirty my first game against

2097
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 5: high school my senior year against Eric Gordon, and my

2098
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 5: dad was like, I mean, somebody had to shoot.

2099
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:48,840
Speaker 3: I coached him too. It's crazy because now coaching, now

2100
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 3: I'm coaching against guys I want to get into and

2101
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:55,280
Speaker 3: I play against teammates. Coaching my teammates play against you know.

2102
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 3: I'm just I always wanted to coach after after I

2103
01:42:58,439 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 3: got done, I want.

2104
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:01,200
Speaker 5: To show love to you because, like we talked about

2105
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 5: it earlier. But what you did for d Rose people

2106
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 5: don't know.

2107
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 6: I know.

2108
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:09,400
Speaker 5: I know because I was there and you brought when

2109
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 5: we like not to ship on de Ros because you

2110
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 5: know he loved him like that. That's my bro, that's

2111
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:17,519
Speaker 5: my nigga. But when he came to Minnesota, his confidence

2112
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 5: was gone.

2113
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 1: He was done.

2114
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 5: He was telling us he was done with basketball. Yeah,

2115
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 5: but he was like, I'm done. I'm gonna retire. Tis

2116
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 5: doing me a favorite kind of thing.

2117
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 2: And you like, I watched y'all work and put in

2118
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 2: so much work to where he got back and to

2119
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:33,200
Speaker 2: the point where I was like, nigga, I need to

2120
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 2: come off the bench like this.

2121
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:37,000
Speaker 1: Nigga need to be started. You know what I'm saying.

2122
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 2: But I watched you and him and his family, like

2123
01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:44,040
Speaker 2: his wife, y'all, are y'all all in the gym. I'm

2124
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 2: coming late night after drinking doing whatever I'm doing it.

2125
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 2: Y'all like, come in here. You like till you come

2126
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 2: in here, pool in here shooting. I'm like, yeah, all right,

2127
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:55,320
Speaker 2: don't give fuck I come in there. I just see

2128
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 2: y'all putting in work.

2129
01:43:56,479 --> 01:43:58,840
Speaker 3: And my thing is I wanted him to write his

2130
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:00,720
Speaker 3: own story and no, don't let nobody else write it

2131
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 3: for him. Fact and he had a lot left hit him.

2132
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 3: And when you go through what he's gone through, your

2133
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:09,640
Speaker 3: mental game. And that's one thing Tennis go back to.

2134
01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 3: Tennis helped me with. But also it also goes back

2135
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:16,560
Speaker 3: to recovery. My dad's recovered drug and alcoholic. So I

2136
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 3: used to he used to scare me because I used

2137
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:20,559
Speaker 3: to scare me. I used to go to a meetings

2138
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 3: with him. He used to make me standing up like Hi,

2139
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 3: my name is John Luci third, and everybody like hi

2140
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 3: John Louser third.

2141
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 1: Be like I wasn't.

2142
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 3: Atdeicate anything, but he was just showing me the mind

2143
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:34,720
Speaker 3: of mental and stuff like that. So I'm looking at Poor,

2144
01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:37,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, you still code like you know who

2145
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 3: you are, Like I had like kind of reinsuring I'm like,

2146
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 3: you know, with somebody's confidence and stuff because you like now,

2147
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 3: I can only imagine playing in today's ere with social media.

2148
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:52,640
Speaker 3: People always commented about hearing and everything like and you

2149
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 3: got to learn how to block out the noise. So

2150
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 3: I'm telling him, like, bro, you you got about five

2151
01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 3: more you like, you can get another big deal like

2152
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,080
Speaker 3: I know you made. I was whit Pool when he

2153
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 3: signed at eighty nine. Then the next day he signed

2154
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:07,680
Speaker 3: three hundred and twenty nine with Adder, like I know

2155
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 3: you got the bread, stupid bread. It was like, fo bo,

2156
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:12,320
Speaker 3: you got so much more to get to this game.

2157
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 3: Oh they say you can't shoot, fuck that. We're shooting

2158
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred shots fact, and we're gonna be we're gonna

2159
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 3: My goal is for him to shoot over forty percent

2160
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 3: from the three, and he did in then, So but

2161
01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 3: every night we put that work in. If you ever know,

2162
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 3: it's in minnesot he starting to elbow shot. So we

2163
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:32,640
Speaker 3: shot so much right and I'm like, so when he

2164
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 3: when he hit that fifty ball, he was crying. He

2165
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:37,840
Speaker 3: came and gave me a hug. That was like the

2166
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 3: ultimate thing because I'm like, forget what Steven ain't Smith

2167
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:43,960
Speaker 3: and all what I'm saying. Then ran up and down

2168
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 3: this court like we ran up and down with I

2169
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 3: don't know. Yeah, that's a fact, you know what I'm saying.

2170
01:45:48,240 --> 01:45:49,800
Speaker 3: And it's like, no knock on them, but I'm like,

2171
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 3: they just talking. Yeah, but you gotta you got a

2172
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 3: chance to prove everybody wrong, which he did and he

2173
01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 3: and he went on and played what six one years

2174
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 3: after that, and I'm trying to talk. I'm talking to

2175
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 3: him the same way he rated it, hanging up, but

2176
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:12,519
Speaker 3: he was.

2177
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: Giving us the same, but I was he won't listen.

2178
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 1: It was different because.

2179
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:21,240
Speaker 5: I'm like, like to me, you know, oh seven class,

2180
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 5: he rolls m v P. When he giving him this spill,

2181
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 5: I'm like the corner guy like he doing his thing and.

2182
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, get that nigga.

2183
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 3: Ready right now. He Q, We're gonna be nice the

2184
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:36,680
Speaker 3: hype man, but in a good way. But he was like,

2185
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 3: you know, I'm rock with him, like I got his back.

2186
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:42,280
Speaker 3: Like he was like, I want to come off there.

2187
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 3: He raises him, looking at him like he crazy, I

2188
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:46,200
Speaker 3: want to come off the bench. I'm looking at him

2189
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:49,519
Speaker 3: like huh, I'm just not gonna give him my job now,

2190
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 3: like if I was playing, I'm like no. But like

2191
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 3: he wanted to come off the bench because he wanted

2192
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 3: to go against all the backup. I'm keeping a buck

2193
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 3: with you. He like he can food him, fool everybody else.

2194
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 3: He wanted to go against the backup. He ain't want to.

2195
01:47:04,439 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 3: He ain't want to guard night in and night out.

2196
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:11,880
Speaker 3: Guard I did, but you're smarter. But it's smart though.

2197
01:47:12,280 --> 01:47:15,599
Speaker 3: It's smart because it's longevity, like you figure it out.

2198
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:19,000
Speaker 3: So it was just like for me, I want it

2199
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:22,599
Speaker 3: all everybody I rock with. I wanted the masses to see.

2200
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 3: That's and that was my bason. I just want everybody

2201
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 3: to And.

2202
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:28,560
Speaker 5: That's why I gravitated because people that I know in

2203
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 5: my life everybody similar to that, like all of us,

2204
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 5: we want everybody to win in here. And that's when

2205
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:37,880
Speaker 5: I gravitated to you, like you don't naturally gravitate people

2206
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 5: to gravitate the people that you don't rock with, right,

2207
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:42,680
Speaker 5: you had coaches on that staff where you know me,

2208
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 5: I wouldn't even you behind the bitch, I'm like, look, man,

2209
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:46,800
Speaker 5: what the.

2210
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:51,559
Speaker 3: Fun were running here? Get me in trouble. That's how

2211
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 3: I get fired. No talking, that's how I get fired.

2212
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm for real.

2213
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:58,160
Speaker 2: I will really come to the bench because what do

2214
01:47:58,240 --> 01:48:00,200
Speaker 2: you see? And I'll be like, look, what the up?

2215
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:00,680
Speaker 1: We need to run?

2216
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 3: And I get fired because now like they're not looking

2217
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:07,560
Speaker 3: at the main guys, shoot the fucking ball. He'd be

2218
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 3: wide open. I'll be like Jim said, like fuck him,

2219
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:17,400
Speaker 3: he'd be wide open. And he was like the defer.

2220
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:20,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's ain't this. Ain't that same kid? I

2221
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 3: know they get out the challenger. You know what I'm saying, Like,

2222
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 3: I'm still I'm still thinking like he him like with

2223
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:31,519
Speaker 3: that mentality, and that's that's like once you give me

2224
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:33,160
Speaker 3: your first impression, that's who I think you are.

2225
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:34,519
Speaker 1: But I appreciate that.

2226
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:36,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, we appreciate you.

2227
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 1: Look, let's show bro obviously. Man, we saw you at

2228
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 1: the Top hundred camp.

2229
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:42,720
Speaker 2: We was just like it makes purposes like having your

2230
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:45,280
Speaker 2: knowledge to help these young youths, especially like you said

2231
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:46,599
Speaker 2: with the mentals and the social.

2232
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 1: Media playing basketball at the full part sos have somebody

2233
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:49,920
Speaker 1: you charge like that.

2234
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 2: Were really happy to see. Before we get out of here, man,

2235
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:54,479
Speaker 2: we had a great story in this podcast. We got

2236
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 2: to reconfirmed, you know. Before we get out of here, man,

2237
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 2: we gotta talk about the Minnesota man, y'all put up

2238
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:01,759
Speaker 2: the club shouts some all these they said good in Minnesota,

2239
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:03,040
Speaker 2: that Google club five twenty.

2240
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 1: But we gotta get that. We're good.

2241
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:08,560
Speaker 3: Look, we're always good. We're real good talking about we

2242
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:14,920
Speaker 3: always the funk with me, we always, we always do it.

2243
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 3: You always good. Shout for stepping in them, Kirk Franklins,

2244
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 3: it's tea. I don't even go out. You know, I'm married, you.

2245
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

2246
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:32,320
Speaker 1: I don't go out just under the bus.

2247
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:33,880
Speaker 3: But you know he wasn't you know, he had a

2248
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:36,560
Speaker 3: bad game that day. Yeah, he had bad games. So

2249
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:38,400
Speaker 3: we went out to eat. I always go out to

2250
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:40,200
Speaker 3: eat with the players. I don't go out with the players,

2251
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:41,720
Speaker 3: but we go eat. I ain't gonna pass up a

2252
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:43,519
Speaker 3: meal exactly. You know what I'm saying. I'm on the

2253
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:44,440
Speaker 3: coaching budget.

2254
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:45,200
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So.

2255
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:49,160
Speaker 3: So we got to eat. I'm trying to talk and

2256
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 3: he ready to jump off the ledge. Not literally, but

2257
01:49:51,479 --> 01:49:53,600
Speaker 3: he like mad because of the game he had. So

2258
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:55,719
Speaker 3: he was like, you know, I just need it. Almost

2259
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:59,439
Speaker 3: remind me of like that scene and paid him for Hey,

2260
01:49:59,479 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 3: I just need be around love. It was like one

2261
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:05,240
Speaker 3: of them moments. So I was like, he was like, well,

2262
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 3: we're gonna go out to and so I was like,

2263
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 3: all right, cool, I'll come out for a little bit.

2264
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:13,439
Speaker 3: So it's me Jared Baylists, who wore a suit all

2265
01:50:13,479 --> 01:50:16,760
Speaker 3: the time, snow dress. He wore a suit all the time,

2266
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:21,200
Speaker 3: clean though, right right, And I ain't your normal coach. Like,

2267
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:23,960
Speaker 3: once I get out my coaching and I'm back, I'm

2268
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:27,880
Speaker 3: dressed now, Nike, I'm gonna be fly. So he he

2269
01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:29,600
Speaker 3: goes out. So we go out and so you know,

2270
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:32,160
Speaker 3: all sudden we're just in there chilling in the corner.

2271
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:34,599
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, like thirty people come walking towards

2272
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:38,280
Speaker 3: me and they speaking to me in their language. I'm

2273
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:41,760
Speaker 3: looking at them like what. I guess they ain't like

2274
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 3: my reaction, so they started getting a little bit hostile

2275
01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:47,719
Speaker 3: with It's just me hum and Jerry.

2276
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:48,000
Speaker 1: Right.

2277
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:52,519
Speaker 3: So see how the bottle right there. I don't even

2278
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:54,640
Speaker 3: know who bottle it was that I grabbed, but I

2279
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 3: was just I had a bubble cut on too, So

2280
01:50:57,160 --> 01:50:58,920
Speaker 3: I was like they doing all this time. I just

2281
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 3: after joint. I'm like, we're gonna get out of there.

2282
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:04,560
Speaker 3: I gotta get home to my baby, you know. So

2283
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 3: he doing all I'm woofing back at him like I'm like, bro,

2284
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:10,960
Speaker 3: I ain't smiling like I'm from Houston, Texas. I ain't

2285
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:14,280
Speaker 3: from here. And they're like, no, you do, and I'm

2286
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:19,280
Speaker 3: like no, So what saved us was a whole nother

2287
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:24,759
Speaker 3: argument happened. A whole nother fight started, and they turned

2288
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:27,680
Speaker 3: around and turn and all of a sudden, before me

2289
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 3: and Jeff could turn to walk out the door, we walking, yeah,

2290
01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:32,960
Speaker 3: because I'm like part of my back. I'm like, you know,

2291
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 3: I ain't really scared of like like whatever going. We

2292
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:42,120
Speaker 3: see Jared, Jared two blocks away from us, and me

2293
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:45,400
Speaker 3: and Jeff is like yo, and all you see is

2294
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:47,519
Speaker 3: them stations at him like he's sliding because it was

2295
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:49,960
Speaker 3: black ice out there that day, so he running, he

2296
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:53,760
Speaker 3: like sliding, and I was like, yo, that's curt. I said,

2297
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:55,439
Speaker 3: that's the last time I go. Like if I go out,

2298
01:51:55,479 --> 01:52:00,800
Speaker 3: he can't come with me because I see I see

2299
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 3: him all the time and Phoenix when I was coaching

2300
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:04,720
Speaker 3: with me, he was a man. But that was a

2301
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 3: crazy night. But I wasn't supposed to be out. I

2302
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:09,000
Speaker 3: was like, it was his fault.

2303
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:13,760
Speaker 1: I take the blad, but it is true.

2304
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:19,919
Speaker 3: But they didn't think they know it's true that Minnesota

2305
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:20,960
Speaker 3: ship took a toll.

2306
01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:23,479
Speaker 4: Broy be hearing you good.

2307
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:32,360
Speaker 3: The other niggas they got to check in. But he

2308
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 3: he messed me all the time because we used to

2309
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:39,200
Speaker 3: always play one on one and he was coming back

2310
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:42,280
Speaker 3: from injury one day and I was getting the best

2311
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:46,680
Speaker 3: of them only for five possessions. Yeah, because I ran

2312
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:50,560
Speaker 3: out of gas. I'm out of shape, like mentally, I

2313
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:54,519
Speaker 3: was like done hoopy And they had posted on Twitter

2314
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 3: at the time. They was like and we and I

2315
01:52:56,560 --> 01:53:00,280
Speaker 3: think you was hurt. Who was hurt? Ties of hurt?

2316
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:02,560
Speaker 3: So we had to bring a point guard in. So

2317
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get here ready, I'm not even thinking.

2318
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:05,680
Speaker 3: It was like, yo, we should bring Luke in for

2319
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 3: ten day, like that's what the family because it's like, look,

2320
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 3: what are you doing to Jeff t he gonna tweet

2321
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 3: back and post another video keep watching like he couldn't

2322
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:19,920
Speaker 3: let me just have my little fly because after that

2323
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:24,880
Speaker 3: boy was cook session. Boy I was. I was. It

2324
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:30,400
Speaker 3: was after that I retweeted the post. Somebody posted like, Okay, yeah,

2325
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:32,639
Speaker 3: I'm telling my daughter like this how your daddy used

2326
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:35,160
Speaker 3: to And then boy he posted he was like, no,

2327
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:37,479
Speaker 3: y'all gotta keep watching the video. He somehow called our

2328
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:40,400
Speaker 3: video courtnet the video who was it? Brian Randolph at

2329
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 3: the time, he get the highlights of him cooking me

2330
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 3: fifteen straight possessions.

2331
01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:45,760
Speaker 1: He wanted to do.

2332
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:48,000
Speaker 3: He wanted the left, he wanted to right. I didn't

2333
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 3: even touch the ball in the middle of court because

2334
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:51,120
Speaker 3: he went five five in the.

2335
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:54,439
Speaker 1: Row and on the sund because of Minnesota. Had me

2336
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:54,960
Speaker 1: fucked up.

2337
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:58,519
Speaker 3: But that's my dog though, I mean, that's that's my

2338
01:53:58,680 --> 01:53:59,360
Speaker 3: man right there.

2339
01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:00,960
Speaker 1: You on the show. Bro.

2340
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 3: I appreciate y'all having appreciate it.

2341
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 1: Man, This is all home coming.

2342
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:05,800
Speaker 8: Man.

2343
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:08,640
Speaker 5: Man is like family, We're gonna do another episode man,

2344
01:54:08,720 --> 01:54:10,639
Speaker 5: probably Andy. You know, I know you got some big

2345
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 5: stuff coming up. We're gonna let you announce that when

2346
01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:15,439
Speaker 5: you're ready to announce it. Well, man, we excited your

2347
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:16,120
Speaker 5: whole journey.

2348
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 4: We need to announced that before the All Star.

2349
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:20,920
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that.

2350
01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 3: Man, y'all. Man, I just want to tell y'all. Man,

2351
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:32,960
Speaker 3: y'all really hold down to coach it though.

2352
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

2353
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:36,600
Speaker 3: Bro y'all doing y'all theme and I watch all your

2354
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:38,960
Speaker 3: episodes for sure, happy I can get part of it.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate y'all. Listen, man, We're gonna do this again the

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Speaker 1: other time.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate y'all, Life Share, Subscribe, all that good stuff

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Speaker 2: will be back next time.

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Speaker 1: PLUB five twenty