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Speaker 1: Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tie, Dan Raban, Steve, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: We're going to bring on an honored guest yes ay

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Speaker 1: list on today's episode. We will get to that momentarily. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. As always, I'm Tie, he is Dan. This

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Speaker 1: So we're kind of in that weird period now where

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Speaker 1: we're getting ready for bowl season, we're getting ready for

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Speaker 1: the postseason. This is a unique opportunity for us to

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Speaker 1: check back in with friends, to talk about bigger picture,

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Speaker 1: bigger picture issues, excuse me, and to give folks a

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Speaker 1: flavor of what's been going on in and around the

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Speaker 1: world of college football. So, with all that being said,

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Speaker 1: our guest of honor today Dan is Ruce Albn of

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Speaker 1: course ris An, our friend Bruce Schulman.

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Speaker 2: I think mostly we have questions about the Buckle Up

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Speaker 2: LA Bowl that's also this weekend. Apparently, Washington SMU is

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Speaker 2: literally like back to back with the Army Navy game.

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Speaker 2: Did we realize that.

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Speaker 1: I did not realize that. No, and we got to

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Speaker 1: talk about Army Navy too. I want to give picks

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Speaker 2: It's it's bucked up LA or buckled up. I have

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Speaker 2: no idea what bucked up is. I think it's related

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Speaker 2: to Gronk.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it was the LA Bowl presented by Gronk, I

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, this is the bucked up l A Bowl

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Speaker 1: Gronk, hosted by They're just using him like he's a gadget.

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Speaker 2: I guess. So maybe it's just l A Bowl this year.

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Speaker 2: It's very confusing to me what's going on with this

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Speaker 2: not at all. No, sorry, it's Boise State, Washington.

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Speaker 2: get all my information wrong. I'm not in bowl season yet.

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Speaker 2: Tell you'll have to excuse me. Boise State, Washington in

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Speaker 2: the Bucked Up LA Bowl hosted by Gronk. Okay, okay, great,

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Speaker 2: So any early lean tie, as I put you on

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Speaker 1: Would lean Washington.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm leaning Washington.

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Speaker 1: I'm not unless there's a weird opt out situation and

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Speaker 1: Quote, this conduct constitutes a clear violation of university policy

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Speaker 1: All right, Dan, it is long overdue. We figure what

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Speaker 1: on the show today, Bruce, welcome back. How are you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Dan has some issues with this AI face swapping

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Speaker 4: didn't really sit there and think, oh my god. The

436
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 4: ACC network showed the re air of Miami Notre Dame

437
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 4: from Week one one hundred and six times in a row.

438
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 3: But I get sort of that point.

439
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 4: I think what's a little different obviously, is just because

440
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 4: they wear the patch on the baseball uniforms doesn't mean,

441
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 4: you know, like you're an equal partner here, right, So

442
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 4: I think there's there was some of that, but that

443
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 4: and on. I don't have a problem with Notre Dame

444
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 4: or the players going, you know what, we're we're not

445
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 4: going in the in the uh in the Pop Tart

446
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 4: Bowl or the pin Strape Bowl or whatever bowl. You know,

447
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 4: like we're good without it you can make your ratings

448
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 4: someplace else or however.

449
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 3: You know that beyond that thought process kicked in.

450
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 4: But what was curious to me, just from like a

451
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 4: I don't know from an optics standpoint, is the ad

452
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 4: spoke on Sunday to Yahoo and you know, raise some

453
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 4: eyebrows with some of his comments, and you know, brought

454
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 4: up how there's a there's kind of a carve out

455
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 4: next year at the CP that will benefit Notre Dame

456
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 4: in the ways it doesn't benefit anybody else. And then

457
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, you know, he aired out, and

458
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 4: now all of a sudden you started seeing people kind

459
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 4: of ripped Notre Dame for opting out of the bowl game.

460
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 4: I don't I'm not one of them. I totally get

461
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 4: where that positioning. And then the next day he goes

462
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 4: on Dan Patrick and now there's video of the comments

463
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 4: and those things are going viral and they're strong comments,

464
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 4: and like, okay, and then I was like sitting there thinking, yeah,

465
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 4: Pete Sampson are terrific. Notre Dame writer was like yeah,

466
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 4: and he's doing a he's doing a press conference tomorrow,

467
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 4: so now there's another another layer of this.

468
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 3: And I just felt like you know Notre Dame post.

469
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 4: You know, Brian Kelly in the you know, in the

470
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 4: Marcus Freman era, especially last year, he saw a lot

471
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 4: of stories of Notre Dame is really likable. You know,

472
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 4: maybe they maybe people thought they weren't because Brian Kelly

473
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:11,479
Speaker 4: epitomized something different right back then. And I felt like

474
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 4: some of that kind of like all of a sudden,

475
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 4: Notre Dame went from being very sympathetic and likable, so

476
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 4: maybe not to I think some people are rethinking that

477
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 4: I'm not one of them, but I saw enough chatter

478
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 4: to be like, man, they have really changed the like

479
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 4: kind of changed the narrative, and it's it spiraled into

480
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,719
Speaker 4: all these other little arguments. Right I wake up this morning,

481
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 4: or wake up Wednesday morning, and I see our friend

482
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 4: Bud Elliott is trending or whatever, and I was, what

483
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 4: the heck? And then I realized bud Elliott waded into

484
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 4: the Notre Dame scheduling conversation that came up sort of

485
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 4: half cocked maybe, and then started getting clowned by some

486
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 4: people probably were dialed in on that. And I was

487
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 4: just like this, this is kind of like what you

488
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 4: kind of hate hate about the Internet. When it just

489
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 4: kind of takes on a lifefit zone.

490
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: I mean the whole sport essentially in this moment, and

491
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: let's be clear, including Tie and myself. Like it kind

492
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: of turns to sludge right when you're following along with

493
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: what's going on with Lane Kiffin, when you're following along

494
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 2: with the playoff committee, when you're following along with you know,

495
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: the late parts of even like the early signing day

496
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: stuff and who's going where, and there's drama, like there

497
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 2: is a lot of heightened emotion in early December, and

498
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: it feels especially I think toxic is too strong a word,

499
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: but especially heated right now and people know more about

500
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: the business of college football and how things are connected

501
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: to each other. And I wonder if it's actually good

502
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 2: for the sport or if it's just good for people

503
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: like the three of us who talk about the sport.

504
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know how you feel about that,

505
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 2: Like is it reaching like like a fever pitch.

506
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 4: It's a good point, you know, Like there's a conversation

507
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 4: I was somebody who works at ESPN. I don't want to,

508
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 4: you know, kind of put them out there without their

509
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 4: their say so on it. But just like we're kind

510
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 4: of talking about the backwards nature of the CFP process, right,

511
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 4: And I would assume we would all agree that. I mean,

512
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 4: I've been pretty strong on this for a while. The

513
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 4: Tuesday night show is garbage. It's it needs to go.

514
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 4: It should have gone, It should never have been a thing. Right.

515
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 4: But that you know, part of the old machine behind

516
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 4: the playoff still was like, hey, it drives debate, and

517
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 4: that's a good thing for the sport.

518
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it really is.

519
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 4: I think it's a good thing for your TV ratings

520
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 4: to drive debate, but I think it undermines the credibility

521
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 4: of the sport. Now, they could have certainly had a

522
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 4: way more articulate CFP chairman than Hunter Eurochek, right, I mean,

523
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 4: he's probably about.

524
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 3: As bad a.

525
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 4: Representative as they probably could have thrown in that chair

526
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 4: every Tuesday night. But I don't know who you'd have

527
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 4: who could really explain. You know, we get we get

528
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 4: and I say we and this means it's not just

529
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 4: media's college football fans. We get lulled into this thought

530
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 4: process of well, the committee did this a year ago,

531
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 4: or they did this, you know, or the CFP did

532
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 4: this whatever and you know, I said to Stu on

533
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 4: our podcast a few times, I was like, hey, not

534
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 4: clowning you here, but like that's a different committee and

535
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 4: all the circumstances change and whenever, you know, it's kind

536
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: of insanity when you expect a different you know, like

537
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 4: they're making it up as they go along, right, and

538
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 4: I don't.

539
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: Know that Notre Dame Miami back to back thing. They're

540
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: just like that's what we're doing it. And like you're

541
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: just like, but who decided that and why and when

542
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 2: and when did these like weird tears come about, and

543
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: like they're just it's not a matter like transparency. It's

544
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 2: just like they speak as if like, yes, we all

545
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: understand this to be the case, Like what are you

546
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: talking about? Back to back? Nobody remembers anything about this?

547
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is a screw analogy.

548
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 4: But like I feel like it's all you know, there's

549
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 4: a little bit of a parenting aspect of this, where

550
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 4: you may tell your child when they're younger something that

551
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 4: you just kind of pull your butt and then they're like,

552
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: you know, years later they remind you and you're like, yeah,

553
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just made that up or whatever.

554
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 4: You know kind of thing. And obviously it's important with parenting,

555
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 4: you know, like you don't want to raise, you know.

556
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: A psychopath.

557
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 4: But in the case of this, it's like we're all

558
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 4: expecting more and by now we know we're not getting it,

559
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 4: we're getting less. And I think that's the part where

560
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 4: it just like, yeah, it may be good for us

561
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 4: because we err out our grievances and vent on these

562
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 4: shows and different things, but it's it's frustrating and just

563
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: because you sit there and watch and you expect more

564
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 4: from the people who are running the sport, and I

565
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 4: think by now we all know better, you know, like,

566
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 4: oh yeah, that guy's kind of an idiot, and that's

567
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 4: you know, it's like and then you know, it's frustrating

568
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 4: because then all of a sudden you'll see and it

569
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 4: happened a lot over the last year or two where

570
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, we're going to turn to Congress. Oh yeah,

571
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 4: there's another body of work that people think very highly

572
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 4: of right now, yeah, you know, so it just I

573
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 4: love the sport, I kind of it kind of makes

574
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 4: me cringe about all the other stuff that's connected to it.

575
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: The Notre Dame a d and his little crusade here

576
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: over the last few days has been really interesting to follow.

577
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: And he's phrasing ty yeah sade.

578
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: Thank you. I didn't mean it that way, but thank you.

579
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

580
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: What keeps resonating with me, what keeps bouncing around in

581
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: my head is what's the endgame here? You know what?

582
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: What is the point of this? If the point is

583
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: not just to complain openly and to express dissatisfaction with

584
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: the process, what is it that they are really going for?

585
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: And that's where I've I think, had a little bit

586
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: of a hard time. To me, it comes across as

587
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: a brushback pitch towards the ACC, and it's probably driven

588
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: mostly from emotion than anything. But if their goal here

589
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: is not to outright leave the ACC and to not

590
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: outright put the ACC in some sort of business buying,

591
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: the only way that I can interpret this as some

592
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: sort of brushback that everything Pete Bavaqua is saying is

593
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: ultimately intended for an audience of one, whether that's Jim Phillips,

594
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: whether that's the broader governing structure of the ACC. That

595
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: to me is the only way this makes sense. There's

596
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: probably also a point to be made that he is

597
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: trying to be the squeaky wheel this time around, so

598
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: that if it comes to this a year from now,

599
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: the playoff committee, I guess depends who's on it, would

600
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: think twice about leaving Notre Dame out again. None of

601
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: those seem like great endgames to me, so I'm just

602
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: as curious as you are, and I would agree that

603
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: it's not the best optics. I also don't think Notre

604
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: Dame gives a rip about optics, you know. I think

605
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: Notre Dame for a long time, and this is why

606
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people haven't liked Notre Dame in the past.

607
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: They tend to operate on the Golden rule, i e.

608
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: Whoever has the gold makes the rules, and in this case,

609
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: they've got the fan base. He cited some of those

610
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: stats when he was given as presser yesterday that only

611
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: twenty three percent of the time ACC stadiums sell out,

612
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: whereas when Notre Dame is playing it's ninety percent of

613
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: the time. He is very much trying to, I think,

614
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: put his finger on the scale and let people know

615
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: how big of a business partner they are. None of

616
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: it is good, and it only adds, I think to

617
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: the toxic nature of what this whole playoff thing has become.

618
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: But where it goes next, I think is what's most interesting.

619
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: Is this going to be the last we hear of it?

620
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: Will there be any kind of like whispers of lawsuits

621
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: or anything like. I'm not rooting for that, but I'm

622
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: just curious to see if there is a next step

623
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: to any of this or if it just is sort

624
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: of like a hissy fit in the moment. I honestly

625
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 1: don't know.

626
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm curious myself on that.

627
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: You know, with the ACC piece of it, you know,

628
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 4: it's kind of they're in this position though they it's

629
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 4: the wuntch your cake and eat it too, because they're

630
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: not a football member, right they know they're an ACC

631
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: sort of member when it comes to the other sports,

632
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 4: I think that doesn't help their case, right, you know.

633
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: And it's like you're also you're in the ACC.

634
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: You're not in the Big ten, right, Like the ACC

635
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: is like the poster child of conference dysfunction right now.

636
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I remind you many das at seven and

637
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: five got you know, got into the ACC title game

638
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 4: with like losing some you know, non conference games that

639
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 4: just it was like they should never have gotten themselves

640
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 4: in that situation in the first place, the PR push

641
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 4: as it was. I get why they were aggrieved with that.

642
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 4: I mean, to be honest, I think they probably have

643
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 4: a stronger case to to to poke at Alabama. But

644
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 4: you know, I don't I don't know if they think

645
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 4: that does them any good.

646
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think it.

647
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 4: I think what's different And you know this, I don't

648
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 4: know if there's a I don't want to hijack the

649
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 4: conversation at this point, but like you know, I think

650
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 4: people see this in conspiracy theories of Okay, what's going

651
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 4: on with the CFP. They obviously you know, it's run

652
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 4: by ESPN. ESPN's by far it's biggest partner, Greg Zankei

653
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 4: and the SEC, right like Stu and I have had

654
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 4: this disagreement on it. He was like, you know, like

655
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 4: you see that that Oh yeah, there's deals with the

656
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 4: ACC and they have the ACC network. I'm like, yeah,

657
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 4: but those are different.

658
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: It ain't the SEC. And until you kind of come

659
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: to terms with.

660
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: Maybe that, you know, people can say, oh, if you

661
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 4: really want ratings, you'll stick Notre Dame in there, right,

662
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 4: you know that could be I mean, it wasn't like.

663
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: You know, but not at the expense of.

664
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 4: Your cash cow, your biggest cash cow, which is the SEC.

665
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 4: And I think that's the part that's hard to separate,

666
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 4: Like if it was another team that had the had

667
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 4: the exact same profile and it wasn't an SEC team,

668
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 4: I don't think we're talking about this right, you know,

669
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 4: like by you dropped and it just it's you know,

670
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: to me, that's that's the discussion. I get it that,

671
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 4: you know, Bavakua has frustrations with the ACC and how

672
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 4: it played out, But I feel like there's like it's

673
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 4: a second that's it's a different discussion. I'm not saying

674
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 4: it is the one they need to have, but that's

675
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: the one that's gonna I feel like the ACC piece

676
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: of this is the one that really has taken over.

677
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 4: And I think if I was Alabama, I'd be like, hey,

678
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 4: thanks for doing that.

679
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: Let's transition from one potentially petty hissy fit to another.

680
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 2: Because Lane Kiffin is the new coach of LSU. That's

681
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: a pro transition.

682
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: That was good.

683
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: You can write that one down petty hissy fit just

684
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: because of the statement he released. And you know, this

685
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: story has been covered from what seems every conceivable angle. Right,

686
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: you have people at the airport, you have you know,

687
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: people talking about what happened in meetings and saying that like, no,

688
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: we didn't want him to stay from a player perspective,

689
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: So we've got it from all sorts of different angles.

690
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: I'm wondering because you've covered him for a long time,

691
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: you've known him for a long time. I know that

692
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: you've talked about how like he's just maybe a bad

693
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 2: breaker upper, he's just bad at delivering bad news to people.

694
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: And that's probably true, that seems true. Is there something

695
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: we don't know about Lane Kiffen? I guess more broadly speaking,

696
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: that better informs why he made this move when he

697
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: made this move. I know there's you know, talk of

698
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: calendar stuff, and you know, you don't really have a

699
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 2: choice in terms of when you can make a move

700
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: like this. But is there something that people don't fully

701
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: understand about Lane Kiffen.

702
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: No.

703
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: I think the people who've been paying attention the longest

704
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 4: know who Lane Kiffin is, right. I think it's the

705
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 4: ones who kind of got sucked into, oh, he's doing

706
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 4: hot yoga now.

707
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, the yoga people don't like him.

708
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean so it's like I think that's the

709
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 4: piece of it. Yes, I mean, you know, like if

710
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 4: he's good with Fine Bomb, you know Fine Like I

711
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 4: feel like the best two areas for Lane Kiffen our

712
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 4: Twitter where he's not really talking, he's typing, and he's

713
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 4: the foil across Fine Bomb. Beyond that, I think, you know,

714
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 4: the people I talked to are a lot of people

715
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 4: who've known him and work with him for a long time,

716
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 4: and they're like, if anybody thinks Lane's changed, Lane's skinnier, now,

717
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 4: that's about it, right, But he's.

718
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: Still the same guy.

719
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 4: And you could kind of see it if you didn't

720
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 4: learn from it, Like look at the player's comments, and

721
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 4: these weren't just like random dudes, these are like the

722
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 4: best players on the.

723
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 3: Team were like, yeah, that's not how that went Lane.

724
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 4: The fact that you went to Twitter and posted that

725
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 4: and all the players and the players called.

726
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: Bs kind of tells you a lot. Then.

727
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 4: Also, it's like you could juxtapose you like Penn State

728
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 4: more than Notre Dame.

729
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: Right, no other way other way.

730
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: Most of the time it depends on Honestly.

731
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: I was gonna have a sloppy transition, but like Ty's

732
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: new head coach in state college. His exit is he

733
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 4: spends a bunch of you know, of his money to

734
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 4: put a thank you note in like the Des Moines

735
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 4: Register or whatever to ioris state fans. Lane's Lane's parting

736
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 4: shot is my instagram is now full with all these

737
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 4: old dms he sent to college students, you.

738
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: Know, or whatever. And it's just like, I don't know.

739
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's a piece of Lane that

740
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 4: feels like he just cannot help himself. And it's always

741
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: going to be about Lane, right, and you saw that

742
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 4: right till the end.

743
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: Right.

744
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's ever going to win a

745
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 4: national title at LSU's I think he's probably a better

746
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 4: positioned to win one at LSU than is at Old Miss,

747
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 4: just because, except for Brian Kelly, all the coaches who've

748
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 4: been there in the last twenty five years have actually

749
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 4: won one.

750
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: And at at.

751
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 4: Ole Miss you can have good teams. I don't know

752
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: if you can sustain greatness there. With LSU, you can.

753
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 4: Now the question is going to be can Lane control himself?

754
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 4: And there's going to be a juggling act right now

755
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 4: or a balancing act to do that, And I don't

756
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 4: know how it's going to be because there's a lot

757
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 4: of strong forces around that program that are way different

758
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: than what he's had because remember, you know, here's him

759
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 4: as a head coach. Goes to the Raiders, obviously didn't

760
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 4: go well. You know, went to Tennessee, had a lot

761
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 4: of people on that staff, including his dad, who knew

762
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 4: him very well. It was as turbulent as could be.

763
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: You know, there was some good and some bad, a

764
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: lot of embarrassing things.

765
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 3: And he left.

766
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: And then he went to USC where the sanctions hit.

767
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 4: But again he had people around there who knew him well.

768
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 4: You know, MANI was there, Ojeron was there, and I

769
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 4: think that I don't.

770
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: Want to say they were guardrails.

771
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: But it didn't go great there either, obviously because he

772
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 4: got fired, fired on the tarmac. Then he's at Alabama,

773
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 4: where he's kind of been humbled to some extent. You know,

774
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 4: Saban ends up firing him right before the National title game,

775
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 4: you know, because he's got the you know, kind of

776
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 4: trying to juggle the FAU piece of it. So at FAU,

777
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 4: I think it's just on a different stage. At Old

778
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: Miss again, I think there was some people around him,

779
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: but it wasn't.

780
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: Quite like this. Now you're going into.

781
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 4: The deep end of the pool at LSU and there's

782
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 4: a lot of people pulling in different directions and it's

783
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 4: really political.

784
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: And is that revenge thing for him?

785
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: By the way, is like, is this a revenge thing

786
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: for Lane that like things have gone so poorly at

787
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: places like USC and the Raiders in Tennessee? Does is

788
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: he the kind of guy who is taking this job

789
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: to say I got all the way back, I told

790
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: you you were the wrong one. I am the right one.

791
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: Do you think that's something that fuels no?

792
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: Because if that was the case, he would have tried

793
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: to win the national title at Old Miss, a place

794
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 4: nobody's ever done it.

795
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's not about that.

796
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: There's no glory in the way that there would be

797
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: like an LSU and it's doing it at a huge place.

798
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, But if you do it at LSU, you just

799
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 4: did what less Miles I'd always Ron and Nick Saban.

800
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 3: Did you do it at Old Miss? Nobody's done at

801
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 3: All Miss.

802
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 4: And on top of it, which ended up doing, is

803
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 4: you quit on the team when they were in the

804
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 4: playoff and going to host a playoff game, like there's

805
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 4: no honor in that in that right, But I don't

806
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 4: think there's.

807
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: I mean LSU hasn't hired a coach like that since

808
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly right prepared to quit on a potential playoff

809
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: team continue.

810
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 3: How about that?

811
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that was you know, not to give

812
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 4: Brian Kelly a ton of ton of c. But that

813
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 4: wasn't the same as things now, Like they had a

814
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 4: chance to make the playoff. This team was going to

815
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 4: host a playoff game, you know, whether he's there or not.

816
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 4: I think that I just don't think how Lane is wired.

817
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 4: It's not about revenge. I just think everything, every like

818
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 4: everything is about Lane. I mean he's the only guy,

819
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: you know, you know of some stature who tweets as

820
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 4: much as he does, and tweets like the most random

821
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 4: things about that are like circularly related to him. I

822
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 4: mean it's it's like I have a coach I talked

823
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 4: to who worked with him a long while ago, and

824
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 4: he was like, I don't understand why he's on Twitter

825
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 4: so much. What head coach has time to be doing

826
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 4: all this stuff? Right, Like, It's just it's just like

827
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 4: Lane cannot help himself. Lane is always all about Lane, period.

828
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 4: He can go on a show and bring a running

829
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 4: back on and say all this great stuff or whatever,

830
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 4: but it's all ultimately about framing about Lane and everything.

831
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: Else like that, Bruce. From the outside, this was like

832
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: a soap opera in college football. Will he go to LSU?

833
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: Will he stay at Oldbis Mighty? Go to Florida? Are

834
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: there other suitors out there? You hear a lot about

835
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: mystery teams. I've been reading about mystery teams. I feel

836
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: like for the last two months or so in your mind,

837
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: being so, you're much closer to this than Dan and I.

838
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: At what point to you, was it a certainty that, oh, yeah,

839
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: he's going to go to LSU, Like, never mind the noise,

840
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: this is where this guy is going. Everybody, whether they

841
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: know it, are sure or not, it's about to be

842
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: very real that this is the only place he's going

843
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: to end up.

844
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 4: It was maybe almost a week earlier before and somebody

845
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 4: I talked to who is really close to Lane and

846
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 4: knows him well, basically was like, this is what's going

847
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 4: to happen. You know now, like there's a chance Lane

848
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 4: could back out of it, but it made it sound

849
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 4: like this is like, this is what what's going to happen.

850
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 4: And I believe that because a lot of the other

851
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 4: things that that this person a few other people have

852
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 4: told me have gone exactly this way.

853
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 3: So I don't know. Like we went on our big noon.

854
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 4: Show, it was, you know, it's the same day as

855
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 4: Ohio State Michigan, and I would have been stunned from

856
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 4: based on what I heard that morning on the LSU side,

857
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 4: if Lane Kiffen was not going to be the next

858
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 4: head coach at LSU like that.

859
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: Was it was.

860
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I think we reported that they

861
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 4: ELSHU was very confident. I mean it was like they

862
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 4: couldn't have like, I think they would have been shocked

863
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 4: if Lane Kiffen decided to stay in Oxford at that

864
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:10,959
Speaker 4: point based on everything they'd heard.

865
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: We told some people in our community that you were

866
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: coming on. I put out a call for some questions,

867
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: and it actually fits perfectly with what you're saying. Were

868
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: there any other any other stunners in your book, either

869
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: coaches that ended up at a place that you didn't expect,

870
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: Guys that you expected to be on the market who

871
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: ended up staying put. Was there anything in this coaching

872
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: carousel cycle that surprised you? Maybe above some of the

873
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: other stuff that we already know about.

874
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I if you had asked me, you know,

875
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 4: I don't know, Thanksgiving ish, maybe a week four Thanksgiving

876
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 4: where Sean Sumrall going to go, I would have said

877
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 4: to Auburn, not UF. That surprised me, and I think

878
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 4: it worked out really good for UF, to be honest,

879
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 4: I think there was a few other things. I was like, huh,

880
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 4: that's kind of I would not have guessed Bob Chesney

881
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 4: to UCLA just because he's an East Coast guy who's

882
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 4: been at small schools and has never been on.

883
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: The West Coast. But you're ula, that's the thing. I mean.

884
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 4: If I was UCLA, I would have gone after the

885
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 4: guy who kicked our butts early in the year, Jason Ck.

886
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

887
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 3: I think Jason X is a fantastic coach. I think that.

888
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 4: I'm not saying Chesney's not, but like you saw it

889
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 4: with him, he's been on the West Coast. He's a

890
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 4: big personality. I think he would engage people. You know, again,

891
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 4: I'm not saying Chesney won't can't do well at UCLA,

892
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: but I was like, man, Jason Ck would be a

893
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 4: hell of a hire.

894
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 2: If they can find every underrated Lineman, you know, West

895
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: of Colorado.

896
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's I mean, you see the players that

897
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 4: he's evaluated. I mean he almost I don't see almost

898
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 4: beat Dan's beloved Ducks a couple of years ago.

899
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 2: But like he was, he put a scare into them,

900
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah he did.

901
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 4: And that was at Idaho with again and he had

902
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 4: lost almost all his best players had gone in the

903
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 4: portal that you know, it was a new quarterback because

904
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 4: the old you know, all these guys were gone, right,

905
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 4: and he gave them so many problems that you know,

906
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 4: like that's one I would have thought they would have

907
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 4: gone again.

908
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 2: Could be waiting on Wisconsin. I guess that does job.

909
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's his alma mater, you know, like I but

910
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 4: I don't think it was that.

911
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: I don't think it was, you know.

912
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 4: Again, there's a few other ones that were kind of surprising.

913
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 4: I think Penn State landed in a good place with

914
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 4: Matt Campbell. Like it got to the point where not

915
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 4: long after they fired James Franklin. I think we had

916
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 4: a Friday night game. We're in studio at Fox and

917
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: it's it's Minnesota and Nebraska, and I remember, like I

918
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 4: had to do a couple of Fox hits, and one

919
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 4: of them was about like, well, you just fired Jane

920
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 4: Franklin because you couldn't be top ten teams. And here's

921
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 4: Pat Krafts, one of his best friends, who's like, oh

922
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: to thirty against top twenty five teams, and then we

923
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 4: have them and Minnesota just beats the breaks awesome, like

924
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 4: you know, and I feel like on a Friday night game,

925
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 4: more people are paying attention than they are if it

926
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 4: happened on Saturday, because there's other games to distract. It

927
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 4: was like oof, you know. So then the search got

928
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 4: a little got a little crazy.

929
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question about that? Can you

930
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: stress test my theory that I've been running with for

931
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: a while because I had people who listen know that

932
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: I've been saying this for years on end, but it

933
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: had been relayed to me five six years ago that

934
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: if and when the Penn stage job came open, it

935
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: was going to be Matt Rules to lose. And I

936
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: think there's a reason everybody had Matt Rule atop their

937
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: list or in their grouping of initial candidates for it,

938
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: and so my theory was, well, they were going to

939
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: go after Rule. Obviously, the case for Matt Rule bottomed

940
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: out almost instantly. The fans didn't want it. His team

941
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: didn't play well, quarterback got hurt. He ends up signing

942
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: an extension. So that was kind of dead before it

943
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: even got started. But then my theory was, all right,

944
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: it's rule. Then they're going to go out after the

945
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: biggest possible names, the names that are going to move

946
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: message boards, the names that are going to get people excited.

947
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: They didn't get any of those guys, and then after

948
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: that it was a big shrug.

949
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: All right.

950
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: They ended up apparently going after Kalanisataki. That didn't work.

951
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: They end up with Matt Campbell, who basically fell off

952
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: the back of a truck to them, which I think

953
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 1: in hindsight's a very very good fit and a great hire.

954
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: But is in your opinion, is that an accurate depiction

955
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: of what their plan looked like to try and hire

956
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: a new guy.

957
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you summed it up in you know,

958
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 4: ninety seconds or whatever that was. Yes, I would, I would,

959
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 4: I would. I would back that.

960
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: When you look around at some of the other hires,

961
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: it's sort of all over the place, right there's you know,

962
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: g five guys on the move, and you know, Ryan

963
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 2: Selvilfield you mentioned at Florida with John Sumral will Stein

964
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 2: and Tosh Lupoy are both now off of the Oregon staff,

965
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: but going to stay on for the playoff. Brian Hartline

966
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: is at USF. What's staying on for the playoff? What

967
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: was your reaction to some of those hires to big

968
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: places obviously in Kentucky, Cal and us F among the

969
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: bigger G five places where any of those shockers, how

970
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 2: do you how do you evaluate those processes.

971
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 4: I let me go with like some of the assistants

972
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 4: in the playoffs, I think Tosh at Cal will be interesting.

973
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 4: Tosh is if you said to me, which head coach

974
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 4: fit is the most kind of crystal ball ish. It's

975
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 4: you know, like Tosh feels in that spirit. He's going

976
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 4: to be a recruiting demon. He loves the place.

977
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: You know.

978
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 4: It wasn't just like he played there and coach there.

979
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 4: His dad was a GA there. That's an interesting hire. Like,

980
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 4: you know, he's learned under some really good people. I'm

981
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 4: curious to see how he does there. You know, it's

982
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 4: kind of a I don't say it was an obvious hire,

983
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 4: but it was pretty much one you know, we do

984
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 4: our search stories. It was like, oh yeah, I could

985
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 4: definitely see that's the leader you know for that heartline

986
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 4: will be interesting because he's got a lot of ties

987
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 4: in South Florida, obviously recruited bunch of good receivers, most

988
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 4: notably Jeremiah Smith played for the Dolphins. I'm interested to

989
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 4: see how he does as a head coach. You know,

990
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 4: I think for a minute, I was like when West

991
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 4: Virginia was open when rich Rot ended up getting it,

992
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 4: and I was like, that's a spot I could see,

993
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 4: Or Kentucky was a spot I could see for him.

994
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 4: USF's a good job and Goldish you know, made it

995
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 4: better than it was when he found it. So that

996
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 4: one's interesting. Arkansas is a tough one. I like Ryan Soliverfield,

997
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 4: but like, and maybe I'm a little you know, biased

998
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 4: by this. I just spent a month seeing his boss

999
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: just kind of you know, vombit on TV.

1000
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 3: You know, every Tuesday night, it.

1001
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: All comes back to Hunter, You're a check.

1002
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I mean it's like it's a tough job,

1003
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 4: you know, Like you're at Arkansas. They're the only team

1004
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 4: I think since You're a check's been the AD and

1005
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 4: the SEC that has not had at least one winning

1006
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 4: record in SEC play one year.

1007
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: I mean he's been there eight years. You know, it's tough.

1008
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 4: Chad Morris went from doing a good job at SMU

1009
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 4: to couldn't.

1010
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 3: Win a game in Fayetteville.

1011
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 4: You know, Sam Pittman wasn't a disaster. He did some

1012
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 4: good things, had a couple of good years. But I

1013
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 4: don't know, that was a tough one.

1014
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 3: Again.

1015
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 4: I think what's what's going to be interesting with Silverfield

1016
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 4: is he's you know, he did well at Memphis and

1017
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 4: I think he's a smart guy. But you know, you

1018
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 4: have somebody with no SEC experience going in there, right,

1019
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 4: and that is a snake pit, right, So we'll see

1020
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 4: on that one. There was a few other hires that

1021
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 4: were like, I think Memphis made a really good hire

1022
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 4: replacing him.

1023
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: With Charles Huff. Charlestof's really good.

1024
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 4: Charles Huff wouldn't have been surprised if he was the

1025
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 4: Virginia Tech head coach. You know, I get it why

1026
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 4: they hire James Franklin. And but there's you know, like

1027
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 4: he's I think a really good coach.

1028
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 3: There's a few of them in there.

1029
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 4: I'm mentioned to see how Eric Morris does at Oklahoma State.

1030
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 3: He's an old Leech guy.

1031
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 4: I've known him since he was a since he was

1032
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 4: a player for Leech, and I think Eric's smart. I

1033
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 4: think Eric's an elite evaluator. I mean I've seen, you know,

1034
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 4: been in the room where he's stood on the table

1035
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 4: for guys. He's stood on the table for Baker Mayfield

1036
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 4: in Coleman when they didn't offer him. You know, they

1037
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 4: got to always blank on these kids. It's like Tyler Brugman,

1038
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 4: I think was the one. He was a four star

1039
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 4: quarterback from from from Arizona who they ended up offering first.

1040
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 4: And it was like he wanted Baker and you know

1041
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 4: he had cam Ward at Incarnate Word and he obviously

1042
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 4: he was the first one to go from a tier outside,

1043
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 4: you know, at FBS level, So I think he could

1044
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 4: do well at Oklahoma State where they have resources.

1045
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 3: There was one other higher.

1046
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 4: I was just oh, the one higher, That's the one

1047
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 4: that to me is a I don't know that.

1048
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 3: I don't feel like it'd sit great.

1049
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 4: Was Washington State has been those players in that fan

1050
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 4: base has been.

1051
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: Through a lot over the last like six or seven years.

1052
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 4: You go back to you know, one of the you know,

1053
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 4: tragedy with a quarterback who you know back. You know,

1054
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 4: it's a really sad story. You had a couple other

1055
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 4: tragedies with the players. You have Rollovich going in there

1056
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 4: and then what happened with him and he gets fired

1057
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 4: and it's controversial, and then I thought.

1058
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: Jake Dickert did a really good job.

1059
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 4: And then Dickert leaves right before the Holiday Bowl last

1060
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 4: year and they're really fragmented or whatever.

1061
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: And then they and.

1062
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 4: They play their ass off, they give Syracuse a game,

1063
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 4: and then Jimmy Rogers, Jimmy Rodgers gets the job and

1064
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 4: you think there's going to be some stability there. He's

1065
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 4: coming from from the FCS, from a really good school,

1066
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 4: and he's not even there a year and he leaves

1067
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 4: and you know, here are they're in a bowl game again,

1068
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 4: and that that just kind of sucks for Like, I

1069
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 4: feel like those players. I get it, people are just

1070
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 4: kind of feel loyalties really cliche and everything, but like

1071
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 4: they didn't even have an ad.

1072
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: Right they eighty left for Washington and they lost their

1073
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 2: conference in that process as well.

1074
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, Like Clay MacGuire is old leach guy

1075
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 4: who was the O line coach the year basically the

1076
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 4: conference situation fell apart for them, right right, and so,

1077
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 4: and they were a pretty good team, like they they

1078
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 4: were not an awful team when dickerd had it there,

1079
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 4: like they were, they were a little dangerous, they gave people,

1080
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 4: you know, they won some games, and I just remember

1081
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 4: him telling me some story about you know, they got

1082
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 4: off to a pretty fast start and then they had

1083
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 4: a bye week, and the bye week it felt like

1084
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 4: that was the week. Oh my god, we're like refugees

1085
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 4: right now. We have no no home. We're not a

1086
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 4: Pac ten school anymore. We're not a Pac twelve school anymore.

1087
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 4: And it was like after that, like every week it

1088
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 4: was a different position group that kind of fell apart.

1089
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 4: And I remember, like that really resonated with me of

1090
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 4: just like what the lack of identity can do to

1091
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 4: a program. And I have no idea if there's any

1092
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 4: kids who were there from the start of like all

1093
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 4: of this between the player tragedies and you know, and

1094
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 4: the conference bailing out. But just like, man, that the

1095
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 4: fans I know are the fans because I know they're loyal,

1096
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 4: because I you know, we did a bunch of swingers

1097
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 4: stored up stuff up there, and I really feel for

1098
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 4: the fans on that because they've they've been through it.

1099
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 4: I know there's some of them probably didn't like Jimmy

1100
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 4: Rodgers the way he handled the quarterback situation. You know,

1101
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 4: in the first month, maybe picked the wrong guy, and

1102
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 4: then you know, they found a way to get I mean, look,

1103
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 4: they could have beat this is a crazy thing with them.

1104
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 4: They could have beat Ole miss they had them on

1105
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 4: the ropes, could have beat James Madison as well as Virginia.

1106
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 4: They probably should have won two of those three games.

1107
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 4: So I was kind of like when I saw that,

1108
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 4: especially as quickly as he was leaving, it was like, oh,

1109
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 4: Matt Campbell's going to do his play meeting, and now

1110
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 4: right after that, Jimmy Rodgers doing his player meeting. He's

1111
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 4: getting back out and he's he's going to Ames.

1112
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: So they announced Jimmy Rodgers at Iowa State before Penn

1113
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: State announced Matt Campbell. Yeah, they wasted no time.

1114
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: Is there a new calculus in the way, like coaches

1115
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: are weighing opportunities in twenty twenty five, twenty six with

1116
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 2: you know, you lose a coach and you're gonna lose

1117
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: a bunch of players for the portal. So then a

1118
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: coach immediately has to either bring guys in the portal

1119
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: or convinced guys to come out of the portal. You

1120
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 2: have to hire a bigger staff than you've ever had

1121
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 2: to hire as a head coach if you're going to

1122
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 2: one of these major places. And we've seen like reported

1123
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: interest in like huge coaching names across the sport who've

1124
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 2: just all kind of for the most part, ignored that

1125
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: interest or politely declined that interest. In the most recent

1126
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 2: one was like Kalani Sataki a Byu. We've seen like

1127
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: Kaylin Debor and Dan Landing and Josh Hipel, all these guys.

1128
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: What's the calculus in making decisions today versus you know,

1129
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: ten years ago.

1130
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 4: I think they know that if I don't get it

1131
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 4: going here quick, I'm going to be on the high

1132
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 4: they'll pay a big buyout, they'll get rid of me.

1133
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 4: And I also think, because you know, players are movable, right,

1134
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 4: we saw this like this Signetti Indiana thing has been

1135
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 4: an amazing story, but it's also put everybody on the

1136
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 4: clock because you're like that guy wanted a program that

1137
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 4: was three and nine.

1138
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 3: He took a bunch of his players.

1139
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 4: It was different than what you could do in two

1140
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 4: thousand and six or something.

1141
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: You can't pluck off your old roster.

1142
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 4: I think that changes things, and so it also honestly

1143
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 4: changed the calculus and some of the hiring process, where,

1144
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 4: you know, I talked to several different people who are

1145
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 4: involved in coaching searches like can he bring players right?

1146
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 4: Like that was never a thing before. Now it's a

1147
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 4: real thing, and so I think all that stuff factors

1148
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 4: into it. You hear a lot about the calendar and everything,

1149
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 4: but like that also, you know, honestly made you know,

1150
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 4: could go back to Elaine Kiffin situation for a second,

1151
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 4: but also made that more complicated. It's like, oh, yeah,

1152
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 4: do you really like I have a good friend who

1153
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 4: covers NFL. He was like, oh, I think they should

1154
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:05,439
Speaker 4: have just let him coach, And I was like, yeah,

1155
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 4: you know, he would have recruited every player he wanted

1156
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 4: a player you w off that And the guy was like,

1157
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 4: you don't think he did that already, and I'm like, no,

1158
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 4: he probably did. But I think it's a little more

1159
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 4: different when you know you're have the job and it's

1160
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 4: more transparent, and it's just like any pretense is out

1161
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 4: the window.

1162
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: What is the reaction in the coaching community obviously, because

1163
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: you are in this world all year long. You mentioned

1164
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti. Kurt Signetti is a unicorn in this sport.

1165
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: In that, as you mentioned, as we all know now

1166
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: as the number one team in the College Football Playoff,

1167
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: he went to a place that is the losingest place

1168
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: in the Big Ten and turned them into the most

1169
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: dangerous team in the conference in less than two years.

1170
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: Right that he wins the Big Ten title over a

1171
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: recruiting and winning juggernaut in Ohio State. Is the reaction

1172
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: in the coaching community like who the hell is this guy?

1173
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: Like?

1174
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: Is there confusion? Is they were like, yeah, we knew

1175
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: this guy was a killer the whole time, and somebody

1176
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: just figured it out. Like what what was his reputation

1177
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 2: going in? Are coaches? You know, ads ga? Whoever? Are

1178
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 2: people shocked at this or were they, like everybody else,

1179
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: just finally caught up.

1180
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 3: I think they're impressed by it.

1181
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 4: It depends on the guys who know him, you know,

1182
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 4: like Norm Chow, who I still keep in touch with

1183
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 4: because we lived not that far apart. He was He

1184
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 4: was Norm Chow's tight ends coach at NC State when

1185
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 4: Chow was the offensive coordinator and they had Philip Rivers.

1186
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 3: Right, so you know, like that was back in the day.

1187
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 4: And he was like, yeah, he was always really you

1188
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 4: talk to people, he was always really smart. That's what

1189
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 4: they would always say. I think, what what you know again,

1190
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 4: son of a coach. There's a person that I talked

1191
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 4: to who made a great comparison with him once and

1192
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 4: he was like, because I said, do you think it's

1193
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 4: a little contrived? You know, the Google me stuff and

1194
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 4: different things he will say. And this person was like,

1195
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 4: he reminds me a lot of Jim Harbaugh in that

1196
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 4: he will say some crazy stuff, but it's authentic and

1197
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 4: players will players will go to battle for that because,

1198
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 4: oh man, he's got our back. And I think that

1199
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 4: was when I heard that. I was like, yeah, that

1200
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 4: there's something there to that. And then the thing that

1201
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 4: doesn't get said enough is he has to be a

1202
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 4: you know, and he was a recruiting coordinator for a

1203
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 4: long time, but he has to be a brilliant evaluator,

1204
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 4: not just of players.

1205
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 3: And you look Bryant Haynes, the defensive coordinator.

1206
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if I've had more than like,

1207
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 4: you know, two sentence of conversation with him. It's not

1208
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 4: like I know him particularly well, but the job that

1209
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 4: guy's done, like he.

1210
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 3: Should win the Broyles Award this year.

1211
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 4: I mean there's other guys who've done really good job too,

1212
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 4: but like, I mean, Dan, your team had only given

1213
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 4: up one sack, and then they went in there and

1214
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 4: Dante Moros on his back a half dozen times.

1215
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 3: Julian's saying, they played.

1216
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 2: Thirteen off points against Indiana. Oregon did thirteen offensive. Yeah,

1217
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: a wild performance was great at their place.

1218
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 4: At their point, and then Julian's saying, humming along or whatever,

1219
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 4: they sack him five times, you know, just like the

1220
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 4: offense coordinator Mike Shanahan, you know, old Wansta guy, not

1221
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 4: even old. I mean, these guys are young guys. But

1222
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 4: he has put together a really really good staff. I

1223
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 4: think he evaluated really well on both player and coach.

1224
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 4: And so it's an amazing story, you know, Like it's

1225
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 4: already like Stu once brought up the you know, because

1226
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 4: he's a Northwestern guy, brought up the Gary Barnett year

1227
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 4: or whatever, and I was like, yeah, this is not that.

1228
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, like because you were not you know,

1229
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 4: you were a top ten team that year, they were

1230
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 4: a top ten team, but they didn't just beat You know,

1231
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 4: they have the two most impressive wins of anybody this year.

1232
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: They suffocated two top five teams.

1233
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 4: And either one was in Bloomington by the way, yeah

1234
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 4: way from Bianna. But yeah, so man, hats off to

1235
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 4: him because they were really good last year, but they

1236
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 4: weren't this good. And now they're they're different, they're more mature,

1237
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 4: they're better in the trenches. I mean, it's just it's

1238
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 4: an amazing story. And I mean, we'll see. I mean,

1239
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be shocked if they won the national title.

1240
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 3: Like, but.

1241
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 4: You know, whoever gets to write his leadership book is

1242
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 4: going to be very happy.

1243
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: Right, Bruce.

1244
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: I have a two part question just about the coaching

1245
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: carousel as a whole. This cycle had been billed as

1246
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: one of the craziest that any of us would ever see,

1247
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: and certainly there was a lot of movement. There were

1248
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of openings, right, How did it compare two

1249
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: previous cycles in your estimation? Was it as crazy as

1250
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: it had been billed as I guess in the run

1251
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: up to it, or did it just end up going

1252
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: sort of the way that others have gone, and it

1253
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: kind of comes in very quickly and then it's over

1254
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: before you know it, Like, how does it compare relative

1255
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: to expectations?

1256
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 3: It's a good way you frame that.

1257
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 4: I think it's crazy, but it was mostly crazy because

1258
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 4: of the Lane piece of it, you know, and because

1259
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 4: Lane does everything so public and on social media. You know,

1260
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 4: A couple of years ago, wasn't that long ago, it's

1261
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 4: probably four years ago. I remember this kind of sequence,

1262
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 4: you know, over the weekend. I remember getting a tip

1263
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 4: that Lincoln Riley was not as might be in play

1264
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 4: at USC right, and then all of a sudden it

1265
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 4: was like he's telling, you know, telling people at Oklahoma

1266
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 4: this is what's going on, and everything he goes. So

1267
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 4: like the next day, I think there there's a there's

1268
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 4: an introduction at the coliseum, and I remember going over

1269
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 4: there with Linert and it's me Lioner Liner's wife and

1270
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 4: Lionert's son, Cole, who's like now going to go play

1271
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 4: quarterback at SEMU.

1272
01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 3: It's not like he's like a ten year old.

1273
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 4: And so we're in the car and I'm in the

1274
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 4: back and I remember I'm on the phone with Pete Samson,

1275
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 4: our Notre Dame writer, and I told him, you know,

1276
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 4: somebody I trust said, hey, they're offering.

1277
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 3: The job, and they being LSU to Brian Kelly.

1278
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 4: And so we are like in the ride over to

1279
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 4: the coliseum, we are posting a story about that Brian

1280
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 4: Kelly's getting offered the LSU job, and that's the next day.

1281
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 3: That's like the day of and then so in a

1282
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 3: spend of like three days.

1283
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 4: Because I remembered this, like Lincoln Riley's agent at the

1284
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 4: time was Brian Kelly's agent, who at the time also

1285
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 4: was was Sunny Dyke's agent. So you had those three

1286
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 4: things happen in a row. It was like and I remember,

1287
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 4: like I know l SHO was after USC, maybe TCU

1288
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 4: was before it, somewhere in that. But you had I

1289
01:03:54,720 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 4: think the two like whoe jolts of Lincoln going to

1290
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 4: USC and Brian Kelly going where you know, like that

1291
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 4: to me was much more of a shock than Lane's

1292
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 4: Lanes leading. You know, I don't think in the end,

1293
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 4: if I asked you guys and put down like a scorecard,

1294
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 4: going okay, these are the jobs that are coming open,

1295
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 4: I don't think either one of you would have been

1296
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 4: that shocked that Matt Campbell ended up at Penn State.

1297
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: No, No, And.

1298
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 4: I don't think either one of you would have been

1299
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 4: shocked that Lane Kiffin ended up at LSU.

1300
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, Florida or LSU or whatever.

1301
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 2: Aburn and LSU is bigger. Yeah.

1302
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1303
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 4: So so in the end, I don't think those were

1304
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 4: like they weren't as shocking as what happened whatever it

1305
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 4: was four years ago, right, And I'm sure there was

1306
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 4: some other pieces in that, Like I think that was

1307
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 4: the same year that like, you know, I want to

1308
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 4: say Fickle went to Wisconsin.

1309
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: I mean that wasn't Landing to Oregon? Was that year too? Right?

1310
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: Didn't Landing and Lincoln start the same year?

1311
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that would be right. So, and that

1312
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 4: was a weird one just in that there was some

1313
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 4: weird stuff with with with how.

1314
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 3: That unfolded with Georgia.

1315
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 4: And I mean, I don't remember the specifics one just

1316
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 4: kind of like remember some of the wrong stuff with Lantic,

1317
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 4: But yeah, that was another one that that that you know,

1318
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 4: folded into that. So you know, we've definitely had some

1319
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 4: nutty coaching cycles. And to be honest, like this isn't

1320
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 4: even this isn't even the top the craziest Lane coaching story,

1321
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 4: I mean fair, you know, like Lane to USC is

1322
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 4: crazier than Lane to l s U.

1323
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: Yes, right after a year you bring up Lincoln, I'll

1324
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: ask you about it because he was sort of the

1325
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: topic du jour for a while. There was smoke around

1326
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: him being a mystery candidate here or there or really everywhere.

1327
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: Was any of that believable to you?

1328
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 3: It was not. I mean, it was doubtful to me.

1329
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 3: Just here's what I think. I know. Again, I say

1330
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 3: I think I know.

1331
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 4: I think Lincoln's family loves it out here in southern California.

1332
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 4: I don't in I think Lincoln's a little different than

1333
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 4: some like I. You know, I'm not trying to portray

1334
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 4: other coaches as bad parents and Lincoln as something so

1335
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 4: different from But like, I think he has awareness of

1336
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 4: like my family loves it out.

1337
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 3: Here, I got it pretty good.

1338
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 4: I don't know if Lincoln wants to be in a

1339
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 4: fish bowl of a small college town where everybody's all

1340
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 4: over your business. He was kind of had that to

1341
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 4: some degree in Norman. It's worse in a lot of

1342
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 4: other places, I believe, and I don't think he wants

1343
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 4: that existence, you know, And he's also making a fortune

1344
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 4: he has, then they ended up signing the number one

1345
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 4: ranked recruiting class. I don't know if he can win

1346
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 4: a national title here. I don't know if you could

1347
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 4: win a national title. You know, you pick the place.

1348
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 4: But like I think, all things being equal, I think

1349
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 4: he's It would have surprised me if he would have

1350
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 4: gone just to Penn State or if he would have

1351
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 4: gone to Gainesville. I just I just think, after you

1352
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 4: know their experience here, I don't think that that was

1353
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 4: something that he or they probably would have really wanted. Again,

1354
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 4: I no one's told me that, But like that's my

1355
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 4: gut on this.

1356
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: Do you believe that the coaching carousel is done spinning

1357
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: or there are other things hanging out there with the

1358
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: NFL with god knows what? It feels like every offseason

1359
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: we have some new wrinkle that nobody saw coming. We're

1360
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: recording this December the tenth. Are we done?

1361
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 4: You know? Right before you said that, I look down

1362
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 4: at my little calendar as like it's only December.

1363
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 3: Tenth, you know about at that point exactly?

1364
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 4: So No, No, there's going to be something that's going

1365
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 4: to happen that'll be seismic. I think I don't know

1366
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 4: what it is, Okay, you know, like people have like

1367
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 4: rumored about Sark and there's been pushback on that. I

1368
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 4: don't you know, like there'll be other things that will happen,

1369
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 4: but I don't think you're talking about like the Coastal

1370
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 4: Carolina job is not going to create this big no

1371
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 4: distrest domino effect to the but yeah, no disrespect to

1372
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 4: them or Missouri State or whatever else is going to fall.

1373
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 4: But like, you know, there'll be, you know, something something right, Like,

1374
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 4: I mean, all this there's a lot of stuff that's happened.

1375
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 3: We don't even like mention like Pat Fitzgerald is you know,

1376
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 3: coaching right, I was going to ask you, Yeah, So it's.

1377
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 4: Just there's just a lot of I don't know, it's

1378
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 4: still kind of early, and I don't know who's movable

1379
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 4: for the NFL, you know, like, but there may be somebody.

1380
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 2: So not to give away your game because this is

1381
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 2: an annual column, but based on what happened this season

1382
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 2: with head coaches with assistant coaches, who are the names

1383
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 2: that have started bubbling up for the future. You know,

1384
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 2: we've seen some of these names repeatedly, and you're Glenn

1385
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 2: Schumann's name comes up a bunch, right that. When you

1386
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 2: have a defense as good as he's had at Georgia,

1387
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 2: you're just going to get attention. Are there any new

1388
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 2: names that you feel like are bubbling up in the

1389
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 2: coaching community.

1390
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 4: I mean there's some guys that started to get a

1391
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 4: little bit of traction around, but I don't know, you

1392
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 4: know that I feel like that pool has been tapped out,

1393
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 4: you know, pretty good.

1394
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 3: You know, Like you mentioned will.

1395
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 4: Stein, he was he was I think going to be

1396
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 4: kind of choosy, you know, Tosh made sense that.

1397
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 3: I think more more coordinators.

1398
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 4: Got hired, you know, in the last couple of weeks,

1399
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 4: and I think we expected them to Tosh to Cal

1400
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 4: once that job came open.

1401
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I totally see that, you.

1402
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,919
Speaker 4: Know, Heartline, it had to be a pretty good situation.

1403
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 4: I think that was a good situation. And then you

1404
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 4: start looking around, like a lot of the coordinators that

1405
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 4: you would think would be you know, like, look at

1406
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 4: who's up for the Broyles list. Except for Brian Haynes.

1407
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 4: It's a lot of you know, it seems like it's

1408
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 4: a lot of old It's Mike Bobo, it's more established

1409
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 4: older guys and I think sometimes those are guys who

1410
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 4: usually aren't getting the first time head coaching job. So

1411
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 4: you know, again, I think that we'll see what comes

1412
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 4: out of like the playoff run of of who ends

1413
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 4: up being guys people look at. But I also think

1414
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 4: what's added to this is again a little of the

1415
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 4: signetty piece of this and put this on him is

1416
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 4: you have some smaller school guys who are now people

1417
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 4: are like, oh, I see what's going on with Willie Fritz.

1418
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 4: New Years at Houston was pretty good and that guy

1419
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 4: wins wherever he goes. So here so Mike Jacobs, like

1420
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 4: we got asked to do. I don't want to say

1421
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 4: this is a dumb thing, because it actually was smart.

1422
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 4: I just didn't think it was like who would be

1423
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 4: like kind of like one of the guys to watch.

1424
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 3: And I remember we got Jason Kirk.

1425
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 4: I think you guys know who that is, right, So

1426
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 4: he he had he had had me and Vinie Chris Nini.

1427
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 4: I forget who else you know submit names? And the

1428
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 4: guy I submitted was like the coach at Mercert, the

1429
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 4: coach of Mercer anymore. He's just got the Toledo job.

1430
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 4: As you know, he coached at a Notre Dame, but

1431
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,560
Speaker 4: not the Notre Dame that we were talking about in

1432
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 4: Notre Dame that doesn't even exist anymore.

1433
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 3: He was an assist than that.

1434
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 4: I think you're seeing more of that path, whether it's

1435
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 4: Bob Chesney, you know, like there's there's more of those

1436
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 4: guys now getting getting interest because people are like, oh, yeah,

1437
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,839
Speaker 4: that guy's a good coach and he's learned when nobody

1438
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 4: was really paying attention at places and maybe made mistakes

1439
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,759
Speaker 4: when nobody's paid attention as opposed to like the guys

1440
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 4: who were you know, who were on the move and

1441
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 4: then either had a bad year or you know, it

1442
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 4: took a step back, like because that can definitely happen

1443
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 4: when you're a coordinator. I mean, Tim banks Is it

1444
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 4: just got fired at Tennessee a year ago. He had

1445
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 4: the number five defense in the country, right and they

1446
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 4: lose to NFL d linemen and a and their best

1447
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 4: corner to injury, and you know, they're probably in the

1448
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 4: sixties and he gets fired. You know, like it's just

1449
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 4: kind of like that's the that's that world. When they're

1450
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 4: paying you, you know, one point five two point five

1451
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 4: million dollars to be a coordinator.

1452
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 2: Final question, what is something that people should be keeping

1453
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 2: in mind when they were paying attention to this season,

1454
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 2: this coaching season, or any coaching season, right, Like people

1455
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: like why would he go to here? Why would he stay?

1456
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: What?

1457
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 4: Like?

1458
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: Is it all just like how happy your family is?

1459
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 2: Is it all just how well of a like relationship

1460
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 2: you have with your boss? Like people are very quick

1461
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 2: to sort of like do the binary. Is this job

1462
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 2: better than this job? In my opinion? What what gets

1463
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 2: ignored or what? What is something that people are just

1464
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 2: gonna have no idea about that? What goes into these decisions?

1465
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 4: I really think it's a one size fits all. It's

1466
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 4: like it's not one size fits all. I think everybody

1467
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:35,719
Speaker 4: has their own different rationale for what they what they want,

1468
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 4: you know, what they think works for them. I think

1469
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 4: that people have seen oh, like, you know, this may

1470
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 4: not have worked there, but it can, you know, it can.

1471
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 4: It's interesting you look at like Jim Mora is back,

1472
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 4: you know, to Colorado State. He did an amazing job

1473
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 4: at Yukon, right, And I think that people are out

1474
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 4: there going, Okay, what's going to work here? And if

1475
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 4: it doesn't, we're gonna have to pay the money to

1476
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,719
Speaker 4: get rid of this guy or whatever. But I don't

1477
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 4: think it's like, oh, you know, is my family happiest?

1478
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 4: You know, like if you go back to Kiffen for

1479
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 4: a second, it just seem like the Kiffin group, you know, him,

1480
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 4: his brother's family, his ex wife is there, his kids.

1481
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 4: Seemed like everything was pretty good. Doesn't mean it can't

1482
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 4: get better in Baton rouge, but you are, you know,

1483
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 4: like changing the equation on that.

1484
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 3: And I just think that at the end of the day, you.

1485
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 4: Know, most of these guys got in to be football coaches,

1486
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 4: and I think the hardest thing is if you're the

1487
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 4: you know, the coach's family, coach's wife, you're you know,

1488
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 4: you just don't know what you're getting into, right.

1489
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 2: Chris Peterson's done, by the way.

1490
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 3: Yes, I can't tell you how many times I.

1491
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 2: Get asked, but I mean sitting next to him so

1492
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:54,839
Speaker 2: you would.

1493
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 4: Know, Oh, it's so funny because like he's just like

1494
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 4: he'll like roll his eyes and be like what now, Yeah,

1495
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 4: my Stanford buddies think you're interested in that. And I

1496
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 4: don't want to do his facial expressions on some of these,

1497
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:09,799
Speaker 4: I like I've.

1498
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 3: Got a few of them now.

1499
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 4: But he's He's an interesting guy to work with because, like,

1500
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 4: on one hand, he's definitely the smartest football guy I've

1501
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 4: ever talked to. Like he just like he has pretty

1502
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 4: much the answers almost everything you could ever wonder about

1503
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 4: or get into a conversation about. Right, But also I

1504
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 4: think he's self aware enough to go, yeah, I'm not

1505
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 4: going back to being in that world because it's not healthy.

1506
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 2: For me, not even like a different way. I mean,

1507
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 2: I think it was your story where you talked about

1508
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 2: he would be more likely to take like the receiver's

1509
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 2: job at UC Davis than a major head coaching job

1510
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 2: something like that.

1511
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think at the stage of you know,

1512
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 4: his his life, you know, that's him.

1513
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 2: I think he should just he should show up after

1514
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 2: springball at who, like, is it Pete Davis the defensive

1515
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 2: line sort of consultants? You should just is that his name?

1516
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: I apologize if I got it wrong, the LSU defensive line.

1517
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, not Davis.

1518
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 4: He's been he's like eighty eight years old.

1519
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 2: Right, all right, I remember, And he would just come

1520
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 2: in and be like, this is what's wrong?

1521
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 3: Well, he's an only saving guy.

1522
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know people by the flip side of that,

1523
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 4: I don't know if a lot of the coaches love that.

1524
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 4: Where we stopped doing that stuff like eighteen years ago.

1525
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: Okay, this is why.

1526
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 3: But I think where he's really good is he's.

1527
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 4: A good resource to a lot of coaches and it's

1528
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 4: not just like I think, it's less less about the

1529
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 4: X and o's and more like the managing and the balance. Yeah, okay, yeah,

1530
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 4: so he's Yeah. I hope he doesn't leave Fox just

1531
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 4: because I'm feel like we're very spoiled to have him.

1532
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1533
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 4: Great, Yeah, so somebody decides to pry him away, they

1534
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 4: better have like a donuts donuts deal for him, because

1535
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 4: he is too Yes.

1536
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 1: I remember you, Intel, I remember you coming on this

1537
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: show a couple of years ago, and I forget why

1538
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: we brought up Chris Peterson, but you were like, well,

1539
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: people don't know about Chris Peterson. A. He's probably not

1540
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: going to take another be he's really freaking funny. People

1541
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: don't realize how funny of the guy this guy is.

1542
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, A lot of the stuff I got to keep

1543
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 4: in there. The one the thing I will say though,

1544
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 4: is the sweet tooth thing. This year has been interesting

1545
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 4: to see.

1546
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 3: It's just like, I think he's the only person like

1547
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 3: he has one thing in common with Andy Staples, and

1548
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 3: it's this.

1549
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 4: I've each asked a question of if it was for charity,

1550
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 4: how much of that do you think you could eat?

1551
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 2: And what was his answer? How many glazed donuts could

1552
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 2: he pass?

1553
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 4: It wasn't the glazed donuts. There's you know, the sidecard

1554
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 4: donut plays sure, of course. So every Saturday they have

1555
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 4: like this, like it's almost a coffin sized box of

1556
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 4: different and I was like, man, you just can't stop.

1557
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 4: And it's like it's like half them are half eat crazy.

1558
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 3: He's sampling.

1559
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 2: So oh man, that's good intel. Though, if a coach

1560
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 2: wants to really like sell him, have a donut wall

1561
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 2: in his office constantly being refilled, and it's probably gonna

1562
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 2: be terrible for your team, but it's a good, good

1563
01:16:59,120 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 2: bit of about you.

1564
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 4: Just have usually have worse vices than that. And the

1565
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 4: daddy and say bowls. So although he although he I

1566
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 4: think he refers to him as he doesn't know that

1567
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 4: how to pronounce it. So it sounds like a former

1568
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 4: Ucile a tight end new transferred from from Michigan.

1569
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 3: There.

1570
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.

1571
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: Wonderful His name is Bruce Felman. He could find his

1572
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: fine work over at Fox Sports, as well as over

1573
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: at The Athletic, where he also does a podcast called

1574
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 1: The Audible. Bruce, keep up the good work. It is

1575
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 1: a pleasure as always to catch up with you. You

1576
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: make us smarter and we'll have to do it again

1577
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: sometime soon.

1578
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 3: I appreciate it, guys. Always a pleasure. Ty.

1579
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 4: Just know that you have been a great resource to

1580
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:44,520
Speaker 4: the audible with your with your market awareness.

1581
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 2: And that's true, you know, And.

1582
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 4: Dan, I tell everybody that that it ever comes up,

1583
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,759
Speaker 4: you know, like I had the best meal I've ever had, WHOA,

1584
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 4: the best pizza I've ever had by far, the best

1585
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 4: salad and crew toons I've ever had.

1586
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 2: So anytime, anytime you're in town Northwestern, Look, they're a

1587
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 2: bold team. I think I think they're a bold team. Yeah,

1588
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 2: they are. The things are brother, There's a new stadium

1589
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 2: this year to come check out. It's I'm not far

1590
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 2: from there. Anytime you are vaguely in Chicago Land, come through.

1591
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 3: I will definitely take you up on that.

1592
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: All right, there we go again, Bruce Veltman. Check him

1593
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 1: out over at Fox Sports The Athletic. Check out the

1594
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: audible podcast, which he does with our friends Stuart Mandel

1595
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: and Ralph Ruce, so they are always good to have

1596
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: Bruce back on. I think we've told the story more

1597
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: times than I could count at this point, but back

1598
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: when we were first starting out in the Year of

1599
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: Our Lord two thousand and eight, which I don't like

1600
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,480
Speaker 1: to say that much because it makes me feel old,

1601
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 1: but Bruce is one of the very first bona fide

1602
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 1: reporters that we email at the time. He was I

1603
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: think still with the ESPN and got back to us

1604
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: right away, was more than generous with his time, and

1605
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 1: you know, he truly he's one of our oldest friends. Now.

1606
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: Over the course of however many seasons it's been eighteen

1607
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: seasons we've been doing this show, Bruce has been with

1608
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: us in some way, shape or form the entirety of

1609
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 1: the run of the show, and we're immensely grateful for that.

1610
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: So it's great to catch up with him.

1611
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 2: And I've repaid all of his generosity and time with

1612
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 2: elite Caesar salad, which is what the gentlemanly thing to

1613
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 2: do is as we've all known our entire lives, Caesar

1614
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 2: salad is what is the proper way to say thank you.

1615
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 2: So I'm doing my part. Yeah, Bruce is the best.

1616
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 2: Great to have him on Great to get his insight

1617
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,839
Speaker 2: into what all the Notre Dame weirdness and Lane Kiffin

1618
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 2: and the coaching carousel and all sorts of different topics.

1619
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:41,520
Speaker 2: And I guess Chris Peterson's donut habit breaking news allegedly,

1620
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,799
Speaker 2: like Chris Peterson is going to sue you and Bruce

1621
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 2: for disparaging his diet. I would say moderate with your

1622
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,600
Speaker 2: donut intake because I have found if you get a

1623
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 2: taste for donuts tie in my own personal experience, that's

1624
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 2: the quickest way to pack it on. Donuts are the

1625
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 2: most donuts and maybe milkshakes. If you're really looking to

1626
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 2: like make weight for something, I don't know what you

1627
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 2: personally would need to do to make weight, I would

1628
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 2: say just stop by and grab some crawlers or something.

1629
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: If you're going to make weight to make weight, stop

1630
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: eating the crawlers. But if you're well, yeah add on weight,

1631
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: then yea, yeah, you're gonna bulk up for whatever reason.

1632
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: I think donuts are arguably the most efficient way to

1633
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:28,600
Speaker 1: gain weight. Nothing like a few hollow calories among friends, right, Well, I.

1634
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 2: Guess Chris Peterson was always about efficiency right as an

1635
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 2: offensive play caller and offensive mind, balanced offense. So again

1636
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 2: I respect it. I had a donut wall at my wedding.

1637
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: You did. You're very adamant about that.

1638
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 2: I was adamant. I am not a cake person. I'm

1639
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 2: glad we didn't do cake. We had, you know, we

1640
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 2: had a cookie brownie type table as well, but we

1641
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 2: had the donut wall, and I think it was a

1642
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 2: big success.

1643
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: All right, before we get to find people out of here,

1644
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 1: three pm this Saturday on CBS, it is Army at

1645
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 1: six and five, It is Navy at nine and two. Navy,

1646
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 1: of course, had a nice run through the American almost

1647
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 1: got into that American Championship game. They finished sevent to one.

1648
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: Army finished four and four in conference. Again, just to

1649
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: remind people, and this was new as of last year

1650
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: that both Army and Navy were in the same conference,

1651
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 1: and at least for a moment in time a year ago,

1652
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 1: we thought maybe they could be playing on back to

1653
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: back weeks, one in the conference championship, another in this game,

1654
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 1: the storied game that they play in week sixteen of

1655
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: every college football season. I know you and I have

1656
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 1: mused about when they played this game, or if they

1657
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 1: should play this game now, given the oddities that could

1658
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 1: occur with them both being in the same conference and

1659
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: conference championship, and blah blah blah. That's neither here nor there.

1660
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: You've got a game on our hands this weekend between

1661
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: Army and Navy. Navy is favored by six points the

1662
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: over unders thirty eight and a half. In true Army

1663
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,600
Speaker 1: and Navy fashion. Do you have a leen, Dan Rubinstein?

1664
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going Army because my leen was Navy. And

1665
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 2: every time I think one of these two teams is

1666
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 2: the clear better team, like I do with Navy at

1667
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 2: their best, the other team wins. So Army season hasn't

1668
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 2: been extraordinary, but they really haven't been competitive, and only

1669
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 2: one of their games all they've lost a bunch of

1670
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 2: one score games. When they've lost it lost by one

1671
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 2: to Tulsa, lost by a touchdown to Tulane playoff team

1672
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 2: Tulane ECU was not great, but you know it was

1673
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 2: on the road. Whatever. They lost by a touchdown to

1674
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 2: North Texas, and even the Tarleton State loss to open

1675
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 2: the season. Tarleton State's a good team.

1676
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 1: They are They're playing this week in the FCS playoffs.

1677
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 2: Now, should Army lose to Tarleton State, Probably not, I

1678
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 2: grant you that. But they turn around and beat Kansas State,

1679
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 2: so they bounce back pretty quickly. They won three out

1680
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 2: of four to finish out the year. They don't do

1681
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 2: anything extraordinarily well, but they play very disciplined, they don't

1682
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 2: commit penalties, and their turnover margin is extraordinary. So I'm

1683
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 2: going Army in the upset here. What about you?

1684
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: I was going back through I was looking at this

1685
01:22:53,520 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: matchup over the course of time, and most of the

1686
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: recent I say most of in air quotes, most of

1687
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: the recent results. When there's a blowout, it's a blowout

1688
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 1: on the Army side, right, And we saw last year

1689
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: they won by like eighteen points on a different team,

1690
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: different players this year, of course, and that was one

1691
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:19,639
Speaker 1: of the talking points in the run up of the season.

1692
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 1: But I'm always very hesitant to take the favorite in

1693
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: this game. Yeah, I always like to take the points,

1694
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: not just because of our whole thing about throwing out

1695
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 1: the records at rivalry or anything like that, but this

1696
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 1: is a game that just had There's a lot more

1697
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 1: attached to it than just your standard run of the

1698
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 1: mill college football rivalry. So my inclination, Yeah, I'm with

1699
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: you on that front. I'm inclined to say Army never

1700
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: in the history of this game is Navy looking past it.

1701
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,839
Speaker 1: But I do wonder if there is just very mildly

1702
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: any kind of letdown effect given the fact that they

1703
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: were kind of in the American running up until the

1704
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: final week, didn't wop out. I'm you know, I'm not

1705
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: gonna stake any claim on that, but I'm going to

1706
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: go with Army plus the six as well.

1707
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 2: This is just always, for.

1708
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: Whatever reason to me, I feel like I have gotten

1709
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 1: myself into trouble every time I have taken the favorite.

1710
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: So I'm going to go underdog plus the points in

1711
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 1: historic rivalry. Let's go Cadets.

1712
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 2: This is in Would you say Baltimore this year?

1713
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 1: I believe so, yes, Okay, we'll watch all righty big

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Speaker 1: thanks Aginner Bruce Feldman, our guest of honor today for

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Speaker 1: stopping on by giving us some of his wisdom on

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Speaker 1: the coaching search and beyond. As I mentioned on our

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Speaker 1: last episode, I'm going to talk through some of the

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Speaker 1: finer details of the Penn State coaching search with our

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Speaker 1: friend Matt for Tuna and on our next episode. I'm

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Speaker 1: excited about that one because I've got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: questions for him. Matt is also a PA guy who

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Speaker 1: went to penn State. We have a lot in comments.

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Speaker 2: So Neror you, did he grow up near you in Pennsylvania?

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Speaker 1: I think he grew up in the northeastern part of

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Speaker 1: this so not far from me.

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Speaker 2: So what's in the northeastern part of Penny, Scranton.

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Speaker 1: Welks Bury, those types of places I'll have to ask

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Speaker 1: about exactly where he's from, he told me, and I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm it's escaping me exactly where he grew up. But

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Speaker 1: he and I have a lot in common, which is why.

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Speaker 2: It's the lake from the office, the Scranton area, Lake

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Speaker 2: Lake Wallan paw Pack. Have you spent time on Wallawa?

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Speaker 1: Not only have I spent time there, I played the

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Speaker 1: baseball team you lost your okay a couple times. A

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Speaker 1: couple of times we played the I guess it was

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Speaker 1: Lake wall and Paul Pack baseball team. So yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: been up that way many many times.

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Speaker 2: Would people remember you up there from your baseball career?

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Speaker 2: Would they remember from if you strolled into a sandwich shop?

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Speaker 2: Now up in that area would be like, oh I

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Speaker 2: remember you, my lasting impression, my lasting impression. When we

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Speaker 2: played lake Wall and pauw Pack, I believe it was

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Speaker 2: just lake wallan pauw Pack was the name of the team.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I was a middle infielder. I was turning a

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Speaker 1: double play and we had an instance where somebody came

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Speaker 1: in cleats up on me. And this is like a

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Speaker 1: preseason game and nobody really appreciated it, myself included. And

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Speaker 1: a little bit later on in the game, the same

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Speaker 1: player was running the second base. I again was covering

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Speaker 1: second base, hoping to turn a double play, and I

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Speaker 1: threw it right in his chest, nice on purpose.

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Speaker 2: I love that, and I'm not proud of it, but

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Speaker 2: I'm willing enough to That's all about those unwritten rules.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's more fire in here, I think than

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Speaker 1: people realize.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I appreciate that time. I think that informs

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Speaker 2: got him right here a good amount about you. Okay,

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Speaker 2: got him good, got.

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Speaker 1: Him right there. So anyway, we lost the game. So

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Speaker 1: the last laugh was was on the lake wollmpop Pack side.

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Speaker 1: But outside of yes, that experience of playing the game

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Speaker 1: and Dwight shret getting the fake wheel at the company party.

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Speaker 1: Not a whole lot else to report.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good to know. I appreciate your on the ground experience.

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Speaker 1: The only other bit of housekeeping that I will offer

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Speaker 1: here before we let the find people go, Do stay

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Speaker 1: until December the nineteenth with the first playoff game Alabama Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: Sounds super easy to me, especially for those people who

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Speaker 2: are not afraid to compete. That's it, man, Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Gotta have that fire in the belly.

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Speaker 2: You know, Tie is not afraid to compete. You know that.

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Speaker 1: Now, I wasn't. I wasn't.

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Speaker 2: Not afraid to break a sternum. Now shadow of rib.

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Speaker 1: CONTI that was an ill advised decision. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think you sor right.

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Speaker 2: He got up all right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, on that note, for that guy, Dan, for myself, Tie,

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Speaker 1: for our guest of honor, Bruce Felman, we appreciate, as

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Speaker 1: always your ongoing support. We will be with you again

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Speaker 1: three times per week. See this season through catch you

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Speaker 1: all on Sunday. The meantime, stay sour peace,