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Speaker 1: M HM, You're gonna love this episode. Welcome to episode

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Speaker 1: three sixteen. Ashley McBride will be on with me for

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Speaker 1: about an hour and being too small to play the guitar,

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Speaker 1: so she played something else for a while, the amazing

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Speaker 1: support of her mom. Six out of six kids. Who's

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Speaker 1: number six on the list? The instrument she played, the

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Speaker 1: guy or a scholarship in the college. It's just a

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Speaker 1: great interview with Ashley McBride. Coming up our New music

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Speaker 1: Top five, Let's do it right now. At number five,

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Speaker 1: Carly Piers put out a new album called twenty nine

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Speaker 1: Written in Stone, and here's a song from Carly and

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Speaker 1: Ashley McBride called never Wanted to Be that Girl I'll

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Speaker 1: never wanted to be. At number four, Scotty McCreary has

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Speaker 1: a new album and the album is called Same Truck

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Speaker 1: and here's a new song that he performed on a

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Speaker 1: radio show called Damn Straight, Damn Straight. Big Thing Now

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Speaker 1: came even listen to sound into Missing Bird. He hates

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Speaker 1: might be here. Bobby wanted to make a last minute

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Speaker 1: change too. At number three, Brett Eldridge has a new

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Speaker 1: song called Mr. Christmas, Every Wish Will Come True. Yell

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Speaker 1: be Mr Christmas Fall You a number two. Jamison Rogers

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Speaker 1: has a new EP, I Love Jameson Rodgers, great songwriter,

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Speaker 1: great artist, the EPs called Betcher from a Small Town.

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Speaker 1: Here's a new song called Girl with a Broken Heart.

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Speaker 1: Sheep your head out, No good Bye, no fun Go

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Speaker 1: send them Selfies on fire, keep selling Yourselfie ain't the

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Speaker 1: long and my number one song this week. Old Dominion

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Speaker 1: has a new song called Hawaii Swept Up And just

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Speaker 1: like Samprasilia, the Bone on Drinking Pine ammor out of them.

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Speaker 1: Those are my favorite releases this week, you guys go

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Speaker 1: check them out. Coming up, Ashley McBride. There is a

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Speaker 1: long haul way leading to the studio and sometimes you

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Speaker 1: it's just a house, so it's not like a real studio.

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Speaker 1: So sometimes the walls come bouncing, the voices come bouncing

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Speaker 1: off the walls, and here they come. Now we clap

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Speaker 1: if we had a big group of people, but we

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Speaker 1: don't have a big group of people. Okay, come on in,

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Speaker 1: come on guys after that's literally the first time we've

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Speaker 1: ever clapped for anyone in the history of this I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna see you better stay close the case it gets

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this monster in some airplane mode. Mom

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Speaker 1: loves to call when I'm doing something. It's like a

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Speaker 1: an innate since that she should call you right when

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Speaker 1: something's happening. Yeah, I wonder what actually is doing. How

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Speaker 1: often do you talk to your mom? Um? Not quite

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Speaker 1: as often right now, but it's usually I don't know,

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Speaker 1: every couple of days, yeah, or anytime I try to

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Speaker 1: really interested is people who do something really wonderfully, like

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Speaker 1: you as an artist songwriter, but also are you what

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Speaker 1: think that drive pops up in um handiwork really Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But like I had a problem with my air duct

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Speaker 1: for anything, yea, which changes before I went to YouTube, though,

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Speaker 1: the first forever forever, So you have to fix your

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Speaker 1: and fix it myself, because you know, before I live

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Speaker 1: back here, back back in Nashville, I was over in Watertown.

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Speaker 1: There was nobody around to help, and growing up, we

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Speaker 1: my mother would fix it. My father would fix and

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Speaker 1: he can fix anything. But my mom's not afraid to

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Speaker 1: Because I mean, at this point, you have plenty of money.

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Speaker 1: and it's just like dang, Like that's a that's a

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Speaker 1: But there's no other way that no one told me.

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Speaker 1: Just like you know, I'm left handed, but I played

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Speaker 1: And then my dad UM was more like Christofferson that area.

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Speaker 1: He really liked those like Tormented. Uh, which version of christoffers? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I remember I was probably in kindergartener first, right, going

428
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Speaker 1: outside of the driveway and rubbing my fingers on the

429
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Speaker 1: concrete because I thought that would help me get Callice's.

430
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 1: I was tired of my fingers being sore. And then

431
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 1: when I'm nine years old, my dad takes me to

432
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,440
Speaker 1: a music store and Fair, Missouri, which is just right

433
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 1: across the line from Mammoth Spring. So up until now

434
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 1: I've been playing bandolin. And then I was big enough

435
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 1: that I could sort of play with my mom's Alvarez

436
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 1: um but kind of under supervision. But they were going

437
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 1: to get me a three quarter sized guitar. I didn't know.

438
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 1: So we went into this music store called Fair Music,

439
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 1: cleverly named, and Dad hands me this little three quarter

440
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 1: sized k guitar, and he says, see if you can

441
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 1: play something on that goes and talks to the guy.

442
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: You know, when I was sitting there playing like go

443
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: tal Aunt Roadie or something, and he walked back into

444
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 1: where I was, he said, can you play it? I

445
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: showed him what I figured out. He said it's time

446
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: to leave. So I handed the guitar back to the

447
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: guy behind the counter and Dad said, nope, that's yours.

448
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 1: Take it home. And so I wasn't great. Mom tells

449
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: the story that it was like three days. My dad

450
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,479
Speaker 1: shows me like three chords when we get home, and

451
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 1: about three days later, I'm bawling in the kitchen because

452
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: I can't play and sing at the same time. So

453
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm learning Snowbird and by Anne Murray and I'm learning

454
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 1: Steel Rails by Alison Krause in Union Station and I'm

455
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: super upset, and Mom said, give it a week. Just

456
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: just give it a week and see if you feel

457
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: better about it. So I don't. I don't know. I

458
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: think I think there wasn't there weren't a lot of

459
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 1: distractions growing up on a farm, and with access to instruments,

460
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: I think that helps everything kind of click. There's nothing

461
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: else to do. That whole situation. If you upset, you

462
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: can't sing him play. That happened to me last week,

463
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: the same thing. I was like, Okay, I can't sing

464
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: a play. Why can't I do it? There are still

465
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: certain things I can't sing and play. I can't do it.

466
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 1: Do you ever get um? I mean, it's just wild

467
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 1: that you started on the mandolin. I don't hear of

468
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: many people that, because of their size, just start on

469
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: the mandolin. Mostly it's people learn a string instrument and

470
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: they go to the mandolin, but not because you're literally

471
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: hands are so My hands were so tiny. Yeah. Do

472
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: you feel like that was a good lead into the guitar?

473
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: This is really really different because it is so I

474
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 1: feel like it's a bit more advanced. It is more advanced,

475
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: and I think what it did for me is even

476
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: though it wasn't great at mandolin, I'm still terrible um,

477
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 1: but it did teach my right hand a lot about

478
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,239
Speaker 1: rhythm and making it hit the strings I wanted to hit.

479
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 1: So I didn't have to struggle when it came to

480
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: guitar with how do I strum and what are the patterns?

481
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: So I think that that was probably beneficial, but I

482
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 1: was just terrible. I have to imagine because for me

483
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: to have a relationship ship now with Ricky Scaggs, it's

484
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: like the coolest thing. But for someone who because you're

485
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: a bigger blue grass fan than I was, I just

486
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 1: wasn't exposed to much of it. Us it was pure

487
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: country or his fifties and sixties country. We didn't listen

488
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: to a lot of seventies countries. You know, only Randy,

489
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: only Randy Travis in the eighties. But my grandmother adopted

490
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: me for a while, and you know, if it was

491
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: it was a lot of gospel, Andy Griffith, gospel record,

492
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: It's a lot of I thought Ray Charles was a

493
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: country artist for the first was country artist, yes, I mean,

494
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: but but I thought like that was what he did

495
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: my grandmother and so, But you know, Ricky Skaggs was

496
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,239
Speaker 1: about the only bluegrass influence that I had. But there

497
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: was a while where he was like a you know,

498
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: pop country guy in terms of what was popular in country,

499
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: not like people would assume a pop country guys now.

500
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: But to know, Ricky is so cool to me, But

501
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: I would imagine as someone who loved the mandolin and

502
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: his and his influence and inspired by blue grass. That's

503
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: gotta be pretty cool for you as well, right, It's awesome.

504
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: We were we did an opery. I don't remember how

505
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: many operas to go it was, but my mando player,

506
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: Chris Um, wasn't able to come to sound check, so

507
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: Matt and I the lead guitar player, went ahead to

508
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 1: the stage. We're just going to kind of get our

509
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: ears about us. And it was almost time for Mr

510
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: Scaggs to have his sound check, or maybe he was

511
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: finishing his up, but he was kind of, you know,

512
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: futson around with a childycaster in an amp and kind

513
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: of doing stuff. And I walked on stage and was

514
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: talking about our mandelin player is gonna be late, and

515
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm wishing our sound engineer the best of luck when

516
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: he gets there. And I just looked at Mr Scaggs

517
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: and I said, you don't know any good Mandelin players,

518
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: do you? And he said not biblically no, And and

519
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: then it occurs to me that what kind of life

520
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: of my living right now? Where I just I'm standing

521
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: on the same stage as Ricky Skaggs and asking if

522
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 1: you list any good Mandlin players? Blows my mind, blows

523
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: my mind. Yeah, it's really cool too for me. The

524
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: cool people, and I say cool people that I thought

525
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: were really neat when I was a kid, I still

526
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: feel like a really neat Yeah, like Luke Brian, he's

527
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: just a dude. Now he's my friend, so I don't

528
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: He's one of the nicest. Absolutely, that's why he's my friend.

529
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: But I'm saying like it's it's the when we had

530
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: in Chestnut, for example, the nut that's cool. I was like,

531
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: this is the coolest thing in the whole world. Like that,

532
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: to me is still what excites me, you know, being

533
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: forty years old and in Nashville, and I would imagine

534
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: that for you, that whole that history of country music

535
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: and being able to be around those folks as a

536
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: big deal as you're a huge deal. Like and just

537
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: this past opry Um. This last week, I was standing

538
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: in my dressing room and Miss Jennie Seely came walking

539
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: in as she often does, and says, hey, I think

540
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: that's just the coolest thing. And Crystal Gale popped in

541
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: one night. Man, that's crazy, Huh, that's crazy to tell

542
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: yourself that if when you're if you were to be

543
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: able to tell your twelve year old self that, yeah, no,

544
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: I would think you're high if you told me that.

545
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about this, this new song

546
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: that you wrote. If I'm right here, you wrote this

547
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: with Carly and Shane mcinally when that came out today. UM,

548
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 1: so it's called never wanted to be that girl. You're

549
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: gonna play a loot clip up at here. I never

550
00:25:53,480 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: wanted to be somebody I'm always curious about because it's you,

551
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: Carly and Shane, all three great songwriters. You and Carl

552
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: are both artists who gets the song. And when you

553
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: walk in and you have the idea were you're writing for? Carly?

554
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: Were you just writing? I think the way I understand

555
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: it was my publisher asked were there any artists I

556
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: would like to write with? And I think Carly was

557
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: posed the same question, and we had each mentioned each

558
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: other's name. So that's how the right kind of happens.

559
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: We both worked with Shane before I really liked what

560
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: we got, so the three of us together was gonna

561
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: make sense. And they were already in the room chit

562
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: chatting by the time I got there, and Carly said,

563
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: you can shoot it down if you want to, but

564
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: I'd love to write a duet. That's awesome. That's what

565
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: I was thinking the whole way here was when was

566
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: the last time we had a female duet? And I think, um,

567
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: that you and I would have a really good shot

568
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: at it, especially given that we right so well with Shane,

569
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: and um, so you wrote to sing it together? Yeah,

570
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: we wrote on purpose? Yeah? Nice? And so you're right

571
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: the song with who gets the song? I mean, it's

572
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: obviously gonna be Carly's record, right, but who I mean?

573
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: Is that a thing where it could have gone either way?

574
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: What do you have if the timing goes right? Do

575
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: you think you would have also put the song on

576
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: your record? Right? So she right, she's cutting before we're cutting,

577
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: So let's let her do that. In fact, there's a

578
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: song I wrote recently with Kaylee Hammock and Nicolette Hayford,

579
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: and Kaylee is gonna cut it, and I'm like, yeah,

580
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: but I want to cut it too, And if what

581
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: if I cut it first? It's so it's just, um,

582
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just kind of a respect thing.

583
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: And because I know Kaylee is going to kill that song,

584
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: and um, when Carly said she was putting this one

585
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: written in Stone, I flipped. I love her, I adore her.

586
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: How long ago did you cut the song? Oh? When

587
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: did we do this? Like? When did you ride it?

588
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: When did you record it? It was only a couple

589
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: of months. Here, let's see what the date was on

590
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: the old work tape here. Oh you have the work tape. Yeah,

591
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: that's gold there. Um, I'm not sure if it's and

592
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: you know what I think. But actually doesn't have a

593
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: case on her phone, like she go, actually just lives life.

594
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: So March just no case on our phones. The case

595
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: that looks like a wall here, but you had to

596
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: pull it out to look at it. Why I'm a

597
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: wild woman. March wrote it. We wrote it, and then

598
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: it was it was probably April, the end of April. Yeah,

599
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: you cut it that quick, I think so. I think

600
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: so because in the beginning of May, I know, I

601
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: was like out of pocket for a while, so we

602
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: had to have cut it before that. When you write

603
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: a song that is a duet and you're writing it

604
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: for yourselves at least when you're in the room, are

605
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: you writing parts for yourselves that you each want to

606
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: sing or is it a group? Okay, well what if

607
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: this verse just said this, Yeah, we kind of wanted

608
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: to because our options were, Um, there was a leand

609
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: Wi Max song. It would have made a great duet

610
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: back of the day I'm the fool in love with

611
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: the fool still in love with you. If that were duet, Okay,

612
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: well we we can't outdo that song. So let's look

613
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: at the mcentirely to Davis, does he love you? We're

614
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: not going to outcool that song either, and I'm gonna

615
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: reinvent that song. So we just thought, what if we

616
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: what if we don't confront each other. What if we

617
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: know about each other but we don't confront each other

618
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: or say, um, you know, damn you or damn me,

619
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: or call the guy a crap sack. We never did

620
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: that either. We just decided that let's just start. Let's

621
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: just tell some stories about ourselves here and and not

622
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: be afraid. I'm not afraid to tell you I've gone

623
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: through somebody's phone. You've done it too, And anybody who's

624
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: not willing to admit that it's okay, they can just

625
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: lie about it. Most of them are on a case though,

626
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: and I don't feel like I'm gonna break it a

627
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: way to get busted too, Like if you're going through

628
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: somebody's phone, it's not in a case. Then you drop

629
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: it like I don't know it was the cat. Um.

630
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: So we really did start, as you know, by asking

631
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: the question, who's the other woman who's our first character,

632
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: and how does she come in contact with guy? And

633
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: maybe you just left an award show, or maybe you

634
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: just got your nails done and you don't you can't

635
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: change your tire properly or whatever. Um, it would be

636
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: that innocent that you offer to help me change the tire,

637
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: and then you go, I think you owe me a beer,

638
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: and you hit it off, and then you just don't think,

639
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, you just don't think to ask any of

640
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: those questions because this seems so fine. But then when

641
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: you run across something like you do in this song,

642
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: which is just hey babe, what time are you coming home?

643
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: And then you're like, oh, crap, this is why we

644
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: only go out on Tuesdays, this is why I've never

645
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: been to his house. And you feel so stupid, and

646
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: now you realize that you're kind of a piece of

647
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: crap right now, but you didn't mean to be. And

648
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: then on Carly's verse, we talked about women who didn't

649
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: have a clue. Um, that was my mom. She didn't

650
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: have a clue. And when when we found out about

651
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: all of that stuff, it just it just hit her

652
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: like a ton of bricks. And there are ones that

653
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: kind of find out about it and still make excuses

654
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: for it. Um. And in that verse, he jumps in

655
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: the shower consistently as soon as he gets home, and

656
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: she picks up his phone and goes looking through it

657
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: and finds me. And that's not a behavior that she

658
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: would want to exhibit. When you go through someone's phone,

659
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 1: an invasion of privacy that severe, there's something way, way,

660
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: way wrong. You should know as soon as you have

661
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: the feeling that you want to look through someone's phone

662
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: that something's wrong enough to really have a conversation about it.

663
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: You don't want to be that person. Bless his heart, man.

664
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: You know, hopefully there there'll be some guys that hear

665
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: this song too and go, I have got to stop

666
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: doing that, or some that go, I've got to put

667
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: a better code on my phone. You know that's true.

668
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: Plus we have facial recognition and all that's true. That's true. Um.

669
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: You know, you talk and you have a history of

670
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: writing very personally at times at what point in your

671
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: writing career did you feel like, Okay, now feel comfortable

672
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: to do this because you have to. It's not even

673
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: just about singing it publicly, it's about writing it with

674
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: someone sometimes that you're not familiar with, and sharing an

675
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: extremely vulnerable story and then trying to make art out

676
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: of a situation or a life out of something uncomfortable.

677
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: When did that kind of click for you that the

678
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: power was in vulnerability. I loved I thought I was unafraid.

679
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: Earlier in my early twenties, I thought, you know, I'm

680
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm writing these songs and they feel personal, and this

681
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: is great and hopefully it helps people. And then I

682
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: heard a record called Killing Uncle Buzzy, and it was

683
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: the first time I've ever heard Travis's name. Travis by

684
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: the Way of Trees, Travis Meadows, if You're Travis Meadows,

685
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: and Minefield is the first song that my friend Shelley

686
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: Tackett plays for me and then explains where the record

687
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: came from, what was going on in his life, And

688
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought, I've been um I thought I've

689
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: been pretty vulnerable and in truth telling here and this

690
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: guy just made that look like Mary had a little

691
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: lamb so, and then I kind of learned through listening

692
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: and becoming friends with Travis and talking to him a

693
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: bunch that not only can you do the thing that

694
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: that makes you a little bit uncomfortable, but you should

695
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: because that is number one. It's gonna help heal you.

696
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: But our overall goal here is to try to help

697
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: somebody else too. So if it scares me, it's fine,

698
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: I'll still do it. Do you have a song that

699
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: you think back to and go, man, that's when I

700
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: hit a next the next level of being a songwriter

701
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: or or sharing a sense of vulnerability, because I feel

702
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: like I'm always growing, but every once in a a while

703
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: I go, Okay, I think I just kind of clicked

704
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: up to a new level. Do you think back to

705
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: a song where you go, boy, this is this is

706
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: a whole This is new territory for me, But I

707
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: like where I'm going. Bible in a forty four for

708
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: me was when I recognized myself as a songwriter. Really like.

709
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: I think Tricia was the one talking to me about

710
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: that song. She sang the pants off of it, and

711
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: with Patty Loveles singing the harmonies, I mean they could

712
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: sing the back of a cereal box and it would

713
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: sound wonderful. But that was when I kind of went

714
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: all right, Okay, it's not a hobby. I can do this.

715
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: And I think the next time that that click happened

716
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: was probably a girl going nowhere. Um, because I was,

717
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: I was unafraid to be like man. Almost everyone was like,

718
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: you're insane when you moved to town because you had

719
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: I don't want a lot of artists? Do you regionally?

720
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: You play regionally, try to get good where you get good,

721
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: and then you move here when you move here, like,

722
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: did you move to be a songwriter? Did you move

723
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: to be an artist? I did? I moved here to

724
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: be a songwriter. And who taught you that you could

725
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: make enough money to have a nice living writing songs

726
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: or just a living at all? Lacy J. Dalton sang

727
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: a song called Sixteenth Avenue. That's when I tell my

728
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: mom at like twelve years old, um, wherever sixteenth Avenue

729
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: is where I want to be? And she said it's Nashville, Tennessee.

730
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: Later that year, she takes me to Nashville, Tennessee, takes

731
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: me to Spigma. I get to kind of experience the city.

732
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: Did she take you because she knew you wanted. Oh yeah,

733
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: So I knew through watching people here that oh, this this,

734
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: this is a band and they make a living with

735
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: this guy. This guy wrote going against the Grain Garth Brooks. Oh.

736
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: He also wrote, there ain't no future in the past,

737
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: even skille. Songwriting is the other thing you can do.

738
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: And I know, even at a young age, that doing

739
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: music on the level that I want to do it,

740
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, Arena's stadiums amphitheaters what I want to do someday.

741
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: The chances are pretty slim, but I know that I've

742
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: got the stuff. I've got all. I've got the basic

743
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: edge of that blade. If we can sharpen it, I

744
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: can make a living doing it. And I didn't care

745
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: if I wound up just as dirt poor as Mozart

746
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: in the and this is I gotta do it. And

747
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: I hear your mom bringing to Nashville because you were

748
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: inspired by a song as a kid and go and

749
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: your mom loved the crap out of you. She's awesome,

750
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: She's awesome. I mean to have that much support, then

751
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: you're the sixth kid six you know what tired she is.

752
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like you think she'd be all all out

753
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: of support by the sixth kid. We were driving over here.

754
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: We went to UM after get COVID tests like every

755
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: two days, even though I had the vaccine, I have

756
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: to flag in this weekend. So we're driving back and

757
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: my wife is like, who's coming over today? I said,

758
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: Ashbride and she was like, let me tell you, and

759
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: she this is my song and she played it and

760
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: this is what sucks and she played one night standards.

761
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: I was like, why is this your song? Like we

762
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: just got married, and she's like, no, he's just my vibe. Bill.

763
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what this is about, right, She goes,

764
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: I don't care. You tell her I love her and

765
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: this is my vibe. Yeah. So we were listening to

766
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: this over here. Then I walk in and Read is

767
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: who's the video guy? Over here? Read is singing it

768
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: wasn't in the car with us? Is this? And I

769
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: guess you haven't really have been able to play a

770
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: whole lot of shows since this song really popped. I

771
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: was going to ask how how loud this song is

772
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: sung back to you? But I guess maybe the sample

773
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: size isn't big enough yet. It's um it gets sung

774
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: just as much as Delanaga does. I think since we

775
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: had time, everyone had time to live with it for

776
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: an entire year, like we put it out and then

777
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: we have to wait an entire year to tour it.

778
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: But now everyone's had the ability to digest the whole record.

779
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: So almost as many people know styrofoam as No One

780
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: night standards. Have you played a lot of shows we

781
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 1: started back, Okay, so you've had some time. I'm wrong,

782
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: you've had some time to actually go out and and

783
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: hear audiences and it's it doesn't it's it's the same

784
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: feeling every time somebody starts singing along. We were in

785
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: Raleigh this last weekend with UM with Luke comes and

786
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: there's not a part of my show UM where we

787
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: yell you know but drig pretty. It's not part of

788
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: our show. But during if it was Delanaga our standards

789
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: way up in the nosebleeds, some cell phone lights came

790
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: on and within about twenty five seconds, the whole arena

791
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: had followed suit. And that is an amazing feeling, especially

792
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: after you haven't had it, yeah for a long time,

793
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: and especially that you can do that as not the

794
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: main that the last act and by the way, God

795
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: bless Luke Combs. For putting you on before him. There

796
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: had no chance I'll put you on before me. You're gonna,

797
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I just put it. I recently talked about

798
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: this as someone Um. I think it was yesterday. You know,

799
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: Miranda is the same way. You know, we're all full

800
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: band and when I'm at with Luke, it's Drew Parker

801
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: or Fulter awful band and me and and Luke and

802
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: that what that shows is someone that's so secure in

803
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: their show and in their lane that they want us

804
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: to succeed and be able to fully get our message

805
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: across um. Miranda said, at one time when when Kaylee

806
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: and I, it was right after we did the fool

807
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: around and fell in love thing. So you know, Miranda

808
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: and I were both using j Joyce It's Prett's at

809
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: the time. So I listened to some tracks off of

810
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: her record, she listened to some off of mine, and

811
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: Kaylee asked, should I be here? Should I go? Like

812
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: and Randasi, why would you leave? Should that? You know?

813
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I couldn't even know how to read

814
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: the situation. And Randa said, anybody who's ever made you

815
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: feel like that considered you a threat because they didn't

816
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: know their lane and when they find their lane, they'll

817
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: understand that you're not a threat. So I think it's

818
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: awesome that Luke allows us to do that full band. Yeah,

819
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: I would have you buy yourself without a microphone looking

820
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: away from the crowd, you know what. On this three

821
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: sixties stage that we're working with right now, I am

822
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: not facing the crowd a lot of the time. Hardy,

823
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: Arkansas is about the same size as where I grew up.

824
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: Where did you grow up? What's called Mountain Pine And

825
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: the literal population is two and there was a sawmill

826
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: and there's not anymore. So the town struggles because what

827
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: everybody used to do they aren't doing anymore. And so

828
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: it's just the people that used to be there, Like,

829
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: no one's moving in and so so there's one store.

830
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: What is Hardy like right now? Um, it looks like

831
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: the town time forgot. It used to be multiple antique stores,

832
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: canoe outfitters, um, a place called Beach Club Barbecue that

833
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: was always hopping and I don't remember. It had to

834
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: have been soon after I went to college. Then all

835
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: those shops kind of closed up. There was a guy

836
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: that did magic tricks in the big antique small he

837
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: wore a top hat, and he made Native American flutes

838
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: out of out of pine and cedar, and he did

839
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: slide of hand tricks, and he taught me a ton

840
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: of slide of hand tricks when I was growing up.

841
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: It's really sad to see all of that go away there.

842
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: You know, there used to be a dinner theater there

843
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: in Hardy, Arkansas. I guess it's between ash Flat and Hardy.

844
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: It's all kind of it's three different towns, but it's

845
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: all basically one town. Um. And I worked at that

846
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: dinner theater back when it was hopping, And that breaks

847
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: my heart too, that the Arkansas Traveler dinner theater went

848
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: away at that dinner theater. Oh yes, so walk me

849
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: through a night then at dinner theater because I waited tables,

850
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: but I'd never saying okay. So it's an amphitheater um

851
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: down outside, so there's gonna be like for me, it

852
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: was music man. I was Amorialists music man. But during

853
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: dinner I would go and serve and there was a

854
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: different show up inside the restaurant that was called Dreams

855
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: of Hank and Patsy. And so I wore like a

856
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: turquoise pearl snap and had fringes all over it, which

857
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: is not super healthy if you're a server, because you know,

858
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: butter beans and fringe not not friends. Um, But then

859
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: it would you know, no, no, no, and I'd have

860
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: to hand you your your sweet tea and go sweet

861
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: if you can go up here and sing Patsy Cline songs.

862
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: I loved it, so help me out again. There there's

863
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: an Amphitheater and there's a show that people can just

864
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: watch by itself. Yeah, you can. You can select to

865
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: go just to the Amphitheater show, or you can come

866
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: for the just the Dinner show, or you can go

867
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: to both shows. And you would do you'd have a

868
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: role on both. Yeah, I liked. I liked to And

869
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: then when we weren't doing music Man that we did

870
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: the Arkansas Traveler story about the cartographer that finds you know,

871
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: Mom and Paul and would your would you get bigger

872
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: tips than other people? Because I don't remember getting tips.

873
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,959
Speaker 1: I did it from like fourth grade to tenth grade.

874
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: I don't remember that really being a grade is you're

875
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: nailing it the just I really just wanted to do it,

876
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: and I loved the experience of learning to act, and

877
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what community theater. You know, it

878
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: could be like um, but I don't know what it's

879
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: like to be have the potential to be next level

880
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: while doing community theater, which I wonder if that was

881
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: the case with you, if you're you're doing your local stuff,

882
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: if everybody else looks he was like, why is she here?

883
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: Like you're so good? Like you did? They did? They

884
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: kind of kick in the button, go you have got

885
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: to do this as your thing. The lady that owned

886
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: the Arkansas Traveler Dinner Theater also when we were in

887
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: the cast, um, you could take her acting classes. I

888
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: think it was like once a week or whatever. Um,

889
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: And never did anyone say you're so good? Why are

890
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: you here? But she did say I want you to

891
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: know that you can do this. This is something you're

892
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: going to be good at. Was it always what you

893
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: were going to do as a seventh year old? Were

894
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: you gonna move to nahvillvie a songwriter? In a thousand percent?

895
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: That was it? And I went to school like you're

896
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: supposed to, and I studied music because I did What

897
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: else am I going to study? There's nothing else takes

898
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: up my brain space? So here I go with my

899
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: french horn off to Arkansas State and I want to

900
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: learn about your french horn. French horn scholarship at Arkansas State.

901
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: Yea of every instrument, I think that's last. I want

902
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: to put the list of you playing. Yeah, it's also

903
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: the hardest. Yeah, it's the hardest to walk down the

904
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: hallway and not get your ass kicked to Wow, how

905
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: do you start on french horn? Well, you start as

906
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: a trumpet player, and then your school doesn't have enough

907
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: french horn players and the band director asks you, can

908
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: you figure out how to play a french horn? And

909
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: you say yes, so but you got that good at

910
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: french horn? Yeah, I got a scholarship full ride Arkansas State.

911
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: What's that like? How do you get a scholarship playing

912
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: an instrument? Do you have to go an audition in

913
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: front of someone? Where do you go to the school?

914
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: You do? And also so um, the guy who was

915
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: the french horn instructor at Arkansas State, his name is

916
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: Robin Dower, and he had come and watched, you know,

917
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: like the marching portion of our stuff and our concerts

918
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: and things, and then auditioned at Arkansas State. Did you

919
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: feel good about your audition? I'm not a great French

920
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: horn player, and I didn't love the instrument, not the

921
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 1: way I love playing guitar. So it never it didn't really,

922
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: it didn't ever find its voice. The notes were there,

923
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: the dynamics were there, but it didn't ever find its heart. Really.

924
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: I think if you put five horns in front of me,

925
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't know that I could identify a French horn. Yeah,

926
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: it's it's so curvy it faces backwards. Yeah, and you

927
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: put your hand and it's bell. That's wild. You look

928
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: really stupid. You've done at all. Yeah, French you have

929
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: to do your hand as you're playing it. Yeah. To me,

930
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: it's that like a trombone when you're when you're putting

931
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: the toilet plunger on the back. So it's it's not

932
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 1: not to get too far into legs. Here's how French horner.

933
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm curious, but it has to do with tuning. Yeah,

934
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: so the way the way you place your hand in

935
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: the way you shape it on the inside of the notes.

936
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: Out of tune, you can shape it that way, so

937
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: your hand is Yeah, it's sitting like that over the

938
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: whole it's inside. So like here's the bell and it

939
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: just sits the way you move your hand shapes the

940
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: sound you're hearing. Yeah, it can. You can use it

941
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: to affect it. Wow, because back in the day, nerd

942
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: time kids. Back in the day, French horns did not

943
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: you know, they have like valves, call them buttons, but

944
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: they have buttons. Now they have four buttons. You have

945
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: three finger ones and up on one. But back in

946
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: the day they were just this loopy, loopy, silly looking

947
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: instrument with a bell and that's how they changed pitches.

948
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: It's called hand horn, and it sounds ridiculous. If I

949
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: were to bring in a french horn now, I'm terrible,

950
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: But could you play something? Probably I've got a flugel

951
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: horn at the house now because thanks to cm A Foundation,

952
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: I got to be an ambassador for music education during

953
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: what I'm calling the Great Separation. So I borrowed a

954
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: french horn. I borrowed a mellophone, and A borrowed a

955
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: flugel horn, and I picked up my french horn and

956
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: was awful. You gotta think, probably to you, I'm thirty

957
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: eight now, probably to the last time I played a

958
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: french horn. You have already thought you were cool, but

959
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: now you're so freaking cool. Like you you played a horning.

960
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 1: That's the coolest thing ever. That you can play horns

961
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: and guitar things like that is what that's that's like,

962
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: that's what gets you. That's what gets you beat up

963
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 1: in the lunch room is but what gets you beat

964
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: up is also in later And I could just from experience,

965
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: you're like, I beat up every day of school for

966
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: being the nerdy kid that wanted to read and what

967
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: encyclopedias and jokes and but that's what got me here. Yeah,

968
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: that's awesome, it's it's I I loved learning about conducting.

969
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: I learned all about musical theater just so, But when

970
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: did that change to you? Because it seems like there's

971
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: a style shift or a shift in your phote. You

972
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: could you could have all the lot, you could like it,

973
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: but a shift in your focus on what you wanted

974
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: to do. When did it shift from you know, being

975
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: in a band playing horn type music too, I'm gonna

976
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: go play bars and like play soul. I was playing.

977
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: I had formed kind of a Nickel Creek cover band

978
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: with two guys and we were called Dry County, and um,

979
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: I really loved doing that. And so I'm playing in

980
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: like the coffee around or like in the basement of

981
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: the Mexican restaurant, the real thing. It's called Julio's Um,

982
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: and I knew I wanted to do that. Well then,

983
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: since Jones Parol is not very far from Memphis, so

984
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: I start going to Memphis and trying to play these

985
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: coffee shops and open mic nights, and I start getting

986
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: gigs in bars. So then I'm like nineteen or twenty

987
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: when I first started playing in bars, and I get

988
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: to do it for four hours and then you know,

989
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: a friend whoever, I decide we get like half half

990
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: off beer, and so I'm loving that. Will I start

991
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: doing that like five nights a week. So I'm missing class,

992
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: missing class, missing class, falling farther and farther behind, failing

993
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: music history, failing piano. I got kicked out of piano

994
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: class for not showing up. Yeah, well, and also I

995
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: cussed the instructor out, but it was it was out

996
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: a Christian love. And I've got this class called pedagogy, right,

997
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: which just teaching me how to teach. And that's called pedagogy. Yeah, pedagogy.

998
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: It's a pedagogical class. So it's just you and an instructor,

999
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: just just like you and I are sitting here and

1000
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: you've got your notebook and I've got mine, and you're

1001
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: going to teach me to teach a child a concept.

1002
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: And I won't say his name because I don't want

1003
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: him to get in trouble. But he closed his notebook

1004
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: and he said, Um, you gotta get out of here.

1005
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: I think you should drop out. You are young, you're skinny,

1006
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: your hair is pretty, and things are gonna happen easy

1007
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: for you. Five years from now, you're going to be

1008
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: fat and nobody's gonna care. I think you should go.

1009
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: You don't love this music. You love that music. And

1010
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: what he said was kind of harsh, but you know, um,

1011
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: what he meant was go forth, my child, and create

1012
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: the music you believe in, even though he said it

1013
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: that way. So I got up right then out of

1014
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: my chair and I went and dropped out of school.

1015
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: Weird way to say it, but I think he said

1016
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: what I was looking for for someone to say to

1017
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: you at that musical dinner theater, like what are you doing? Like?

1018
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Weird way to say it again,

1019
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: weird weird conversation there for But did you feel like

1020
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: that was support? Yes? And I needed that two. I

1021
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: needed that get the hell out of my nest, because

1022
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: I knew that's what I wanted to do. But I

1023
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: also knew I was supposed to be a good girl

1024
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: and finished my degree, and I'm you know, I need

1025
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: to have some type of backup plan before I get

1026
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: to Nashville. And then I went, no, I don't, so

1027
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: I dropped out of school and moved to Memphis. I

1028
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: continue playing in the bars there, cut my teeth. Find

1029
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: out that the reason I sound strange singing Lee and

1030
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: Wilmack style and Alison Krause style is because that's not

1031
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: what's in me. What's in me is this thing that

1032
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: lives in this city, this weird Mississippi River. Oh that's

1033
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: rock and roll great. And then that just kind of

1034
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: I was like, ding, ding ding. I gotta take this

1035
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: to Nashville. I have to to find out if I'm

1036
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: any good. So far, I've been a blue fish in

1037
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: a goldfish pond, and then I moved to a little

1038
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: bit bigger goldfish pond, and I want to be where

1039
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: all the other blue fish are. And how did you

1040
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: feel when you moved to Nashville, Land of the giants

1041
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: were scared? Yeah, I didn't know anybody. My friend Jenny

1042
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: worked at a storage place and she lived in the

1043
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: apartment that was on site on the storage place, so

1044
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: I lived there with her until I got a house

1045
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: with some friends. Um and I played at Dan McGinnis

1046
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: on like Tuesdays from six to eight on the patio

1047
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: and just anywhere anywhere I could. Did you feel like

1048
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: you could compete or when did you start to feel

1049
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: like you could compete? Here in town there was there

1050
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: was a Monday night writer's night called Guinness Girls, and

1051
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: it was run by Terry Joe Box and it was

1052
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: at the time the longest running writer's night apart from

1053
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: Bluebird Cafe. And I went there and I would watch

1054
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: Lisa Carver, Daniel Peck um people that I was like, Wow,

1055
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm just watching her play a guitar

1056
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: right here instead of you know, like in a big

1057
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: club or something. And I wanted to start so that

1058
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: those you can kind of at the end of the night,

1059
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: after the roster has played, you can play. And I

1060
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: started doing that. And then the woman that ran at

1061
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: Terry Joe Box, who's now we've been friends for a

1062
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: decade now, but um, she yelled I don't want to

1063
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: curse on your show. But I got through singing a

1064
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: song and from the back of the patio, I hear

1065
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: you singing bitch, and I thought that was a great thing.

1066
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: So I went and talked to her afterward and we

1067
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: set up a co write Bang Bang. Now now I'm

1068
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: getting somewhere. I'm still terrified because I'm, like you said,

1069
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm in the land of giants. But for someone who

1070
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: has is booking people like Danielle Peck and Lisa Carver

1071
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: and Shelley Tackett to give me that um recognition, she

1072
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: was like, you should be playing here every Monday. You

1073
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: should be also doing this other writer's night that I do.

1074
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: So that was kind of the start of me going yep,

1075
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: this is it as an artist, because I think that's

1076
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: mostly how people know you now, you know, just generally

1077
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: people know you as the artist. When did it start

1078
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: to happen for you where you had people in management going, hey,

1079
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: I want to represent you because that means I mean,

1080
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: that's their time and money going into representing someone. So

1081
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: that's that's a sacrifice on their end. Yeah, it's a

1082
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: big gamble. Who When did that start happening for you?

1083
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: Let's see, I'm trying to figure out when when gelops

1084
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: and expensive guitars. The EP came out and I was

1085
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: trying to kick up as much dust as I could,

1086
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: and I kicked up a little bit but not enough.

1087
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: But I did get to um start being booked through

1088
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: w ME, which is nice, which is an agency. Yes. Um.

1089
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: Shortly after that people start doing the thing where they're like,

1090
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: I have a giant house and jet skis and a

1091
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: leprechn like all kinds of weird chick. I said to you, Um,

1092
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: but I played a show at It was third and Lensley,

1093
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: and into the room walks this Sky and his assistant

1094
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: and another one of his employees, and he says, Hi,

1095
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: my name is John Pete's. Um. I like what you do,

1096
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: and I think I know what to do with it.

1097
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: I look forward to talking to you. That's it. The

1098
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: rest is history. Because I went and had my meeting

1099
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: with him, and I was like, Yeah, where's this guy

1100
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: been for the last ten years that I've been here?

1101
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: Is it? Because John walks a bit of a different

1102
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: path too. He didn't throw me any fluff or try

1103
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: to sell me a car. He just walked in and

1104
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: said Hi, I like what you do, I'd love to

1105
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: help you do that, and then left, which leaves me

1106
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: with the follow that car feeling um and he just

1107
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: he's just no, he's just no bullshit, which was really refreshing.

1108
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: I have dear friends that also work with John, you

1109
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: know as as, and they were drawn to him because

1110
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: again he said, you know this is how I work, right,

1111
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: if you like to work this way, I think we'll

1112
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: work well together. And that was it. Yeah, I mean,

1113
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: same similar story. Well, in the night I meet him,

1114
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 1: I don't really understand. I just I really like that guy.

1115
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: And then I'd go home and google him. Just did

1116
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: big guys. Yeah, yeah, if you're following along at home,

1117
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: I realized who he is and you knew immediately you

1118
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: wanted to work with them? Absolutely? What did he do?

1119
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: Two and for you as in a form of having confidence?

1120
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: What did he do? Like, did he inspire you to

1121
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: chase a direction you wanted to chase? They just continue

1122
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: to push you with where you're already going. He literally

1123
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: gave me permission to go the direction I wanted to

1124
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: go because at the time I was still writing for

1125
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: a publishing house and I feel like we're always riding

1126
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: behind the curve and they're like, you know, this is

1127
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: who's cutting and you should write at that. I'm like,

1128
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: that's sort of like me just showing up to your

1129
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: house today with a flavor of ice cream, assuming that

1130
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: it's going to be your favorite. Um, And he said,

1131
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: you can stop writing that way. What if you only

1132
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: wrote songs you wanted to write and if we get

1133
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: them cut, they get caught, and if you cut them,

1134
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: then you cut them. So here's permission to just sorry, sorry, guys,

1135
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: to just do your thing because I think your thing

1136
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: is gonna work. And how much does that do for

1137
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: you psychologically? Oh? It made me walk pretty tall. It

1138
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: also scared me a little bit because now there's nothing

1139
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: holding me away from doing my thing, and if it falls,

1140
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: it's it's all on me. And there is a risk

1141
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: obviously to that. But the reward is so freaking great.

1142
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: The rewards awesome, And I never wanted to fail on

1143
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: somebody else's terms. It's so frustrating when somebody convinces you

1144
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: to go a direction and it doesn't work. Well, now

1145
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: you're a bona fide superstar. Is that weird to hear? Yes,

1146
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: that is weird to hear. My god children, over the

1147
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: because it was anywhere you When I went to see

1148
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: them and we went into a coffee shop, of course

1149
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: we're all masked and everything. And um, little Cohen, who's

1150
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: eight at the time, he said, they call me Smash

1151
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: because they couldn't say my name when they were younger.

1152
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: And he said, Smash, do you think people are gonna

1153
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: bother you in the coffee shop? I said, I don't

1154
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: think so. And he said, it's kind of assumed everybody

1155
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: knows you because you're super famous. I'm not super famous, buddy,

1156
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: It's okay. So um. I had a conversation early on

1157
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: with Miranda. There's a situation I wanted to run past

1158
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,479
Speaker 1: her because she's such a wealth of knowledge, and I said,

1159
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: and these people think I'm famous. I end the story

1160
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: with that, I said, and they're just mistaken. She said,

1161
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: they think you're famous and you don't. Then who do

1162
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: you think is right? Mind blown? It's kind of cool.

1163
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy how you got to this point too,

1164
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: because you accepted and took the credibility what you earned,

1165
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: and then the commercial success came later and what they

1166
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: can never take from usual credibility. Right, it's a hard

1167
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: it's a hard thing to to navigate because a lot

1168
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: of people want to be famous or have money right now,

1169
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: and you give up some of your credibility in order

1170
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: to have the commercial success. But the commercial success never

1171
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: lasts forever. At best, it's cyclical. Has been, you know,

1172
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: a little bit behind on on just absolutely putting their

1173
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 1: arms round me. And that's okay because we were selling

1174
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: out everything we do. The merch numbers are are reflecting

1175
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: hugely um and it's just resonating with real fans in

1176
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: real time. So, like you said, the commercial success, we'll

1177
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: we'll catch up. But for us, it's it's been about

1178
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: connecting with folks and and just plant playing our asses

1179
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: off every night. I love doing that. Still exciting for you,

1180
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: absolutely more exciting back at it. Did you realize that

1181
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: you loved it? Well? What did that the you're away

1182
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: do for you? I didn't realize how much I had

1183
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: taken for granted. If you had asked me prior to

1184
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: the Great Separation, do you think you take any of

1185
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: this life for granted? It would be like no, I

1186
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 1: soak up every minute of it. And then during that

1187
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, I can name you two

1188
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: shows where I drank too much before a show where

1189
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: I had to think about what I was doing on

1190
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: stage instead of just going out there. And those people

1191
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: paid money to see me have a buzz, no, to

1192
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: see me perform, to have a moment together. How dare

1193
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: I big slap on the wrist for me myself? So

1194
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: don't do it again? No more, don't do it again?

1195
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: What an asshole move? My band deserves better than that.

1196
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: Some would say that it helps them perform better. Yeah,

1197
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: it helps me play pool better. Also, though I had

1198
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 1: that whole year to sit and listen to board tapes

1199
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: too and go oh oh you listen to board tapes?

1200
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: Oh no, go crazy? Yeah you tear yourself apart? Did you?

1201
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: Did you make yourself better doing that? Um? I just

1202
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: noticed some things where like I wish I didn't do that,

1203
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: or I wish I didn't say that. Um, and i'cess

1204
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: over part of a show. Yeah, I got it. Yeah.

1205
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: Would you ever hear yourself doing the same thing vocally

1206
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: that you didn't even know you did? And you're like, wow,

1207
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: I want to hear that back? Why do I keep

1208
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: doing that? Does that ever happen with you? Happens to

1209
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: me talking all the time? Yeah? And so if I

1210
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: see like a video clip and I'll be like, why

1211
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: did I leave my leg like that? I don't move

1212
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: like that. You're up for three? C m A S. Yes.

1213
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: When the list comes out and it's the one, then two,

1214
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: then three, I mean yeah. I mean that you're again,

1215
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: you're a superstar. When you see one, You're like, this

1216
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: is probably freaking cool. When you have three, what do

1217
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: you think? Or do they call you and tell you

1218
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: three without you before you see the list? It's like

1219
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: someone It's like me just climbing into a cage with

1220
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: a boxer and just before you can catch your breath

1221
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: because they're tweeting out the list. I'm seeing them tweet

1222
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: out the list live, and so that's why I ask

1223
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: if you actually saw it as it was coming down,

1224
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: or if they just said, hey, you're up for Female

1225
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: Vocalist of the Year, You're up for Single of the

1226
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 1: I mean these are big awards. Yeah. So I wake up,

1227
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: um and I've got like fourteen or fifteen text messages

1228
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: and I see that one is from Nicolett Hayford, who's

1229
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: one of my best friends and co writers. I've got

1230
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: one from my day to day manager, and I've got

1231
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: one from my publisher, and I'm like, something bad has happened.

1232
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: A member of the band is sick, someone has a

1233
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: broken bone, something bad has happened. And I opened it

1234
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: up and I chose Drew, my day to day manager,

1235
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: and I clicked on his little icon and there it

1236
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: was was the image with the three nominations, and I went, oh, God,

1237
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: what are you expecting? A couple? You hope, But again,

1238
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: we had a really weird time, so it's really kind

1239
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: of hard to especially you don't know all the criteria. Um,

1240
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: how like how does that get decided? And I'm just

1241
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't get old, and I'm thankful for it, especially

1242
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: to see my little face up there next to Miranda's

1243
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: and Marin's and Carly's. And then we'll go full circle

1244
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: here and kind of and and on this a little bit.

1245
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: What does your mom think about that? She loves it.

1246
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: My mom will buy the merch. She doesn't ask for

1247
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: free merch, she buys it. She'll do that. And then

1248
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: iron I don't know how big this is, like maybe

1249
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: almost a foot tall letters mom on the back of

1250
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: the shirt. That's how into this she is. She loves it.

1251
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: She is tickled pink my Stepdad's the same way. When

1252
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: we played the Riemann he was just weepy eyed much

1253
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: of the time. Just they're so proud. That's really cool.

1254
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: I think to me like that in this whole story,

1255
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: and you know, when I get to sit for an

1256
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: hour and talk to somebody, and it's different than doing

1257
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: a timiute interview honestly, you know, because because we get

1258
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: to sit and just kind of sit back and talk

1259
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: and learn, Like through all the struggles and the trials

1260
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: and people figuring out who you were, you figuring out

1261
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: who you were, and it all comes back to this.

1262
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: Your mom we started with you going. She may call

1263
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: me during this she takes you as a kid to Nashville.

1264
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: She puts mom on it still now but still does it.

1265
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if your mom will hear this or not,

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00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: but she will hear it. But I'll tell you I

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00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: love you too. That's it. That that's too, I mean,

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00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: that is that that moves me a little bit. Yeah,

1269
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty cool. That's that's really cool. And congratulations

1270
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: to you. That is just I mean, you are a

1271
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: estimate to being ahead because you have been ahead of it.

1272
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: You've been ahead of it for the last few years,

1273
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: you've been ahead of where traditional media they wouldn't quite

1274
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: go there here because for some reason they weren't comfortable.

1275
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: But you've been so far ahead of it at times,

1276
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: I bet it was just so frustrating because you're not

1277
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: just a little you were just a little ahead of

1278
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: it on it. Frankly, you're very in many ways stylistically

1279
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: as a songwriter. You're so far ahead of it. I

1280
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: know that I would have been questioning if I was

1281
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: behind it me personally, what is it? What am I

1282
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: doing wrong? Right? Like? How did I miss so bad?

1283
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: And is it ahead of me? But you were so

1284
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: and it's and it's now catching up to you. And

1285
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: now it's really neat to see like the fruits of

1286
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: that labor and the fruits of that tenacity and the

1287
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: fruits of that artistic liberty that you not only had,

1288
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: were given and now let others have. Like it's just

1289
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: cool to see it all start to you know, be

1290
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: a real tangible thing. Yeah, And I've had butterflies all week.

1291
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: I can't name of time when a single came out

1292
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: where I was like, God, butterflies. We're just happy the

1293
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: single is coming out and you hope it gets ads.

1294
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: But I've just keep telling people like I've got butterflies over.

1295
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: This is great. I'm in a fantastic mood. I'm gonna

1296
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: listen to my favorite Pam Tellis record. So it's not

1297
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: something to even drink about, which I'm a I'm a

1298
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: celebratory drinker and not a not a sad drink or anything. Um,

1299
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: but I'm so happy and tickled to see all of

1300
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: this happening right now that I can't even pop a

1301
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: bottle about it. You know, this this song with you

1302
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: and Carl, You're gonna play it on every Ward show.

1303
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: It's gonna be so cool, I hope. So. I mean,

1304
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: it's it's good, it's powerful, it's vulnerable, like it is

1305
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: what everyone's gonna beg you to do in in the end,

1306
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: that's kind of what the goal is. Yeah, like you're

1307
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: good at it and people are begging you to do it,

1308
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: not as you go pick the spot you want to

1309
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: do it. That's right, that's really cool. I'm so happy

1310
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: you came over. I am too. This is you know,

1311
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: it's really cool for me and I just you know,

1312
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: and I think it's so weird that to our Kansans

1313
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: we've been so disconnected. We haven't ever gotten to sit down.

1314
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: I think we've seen each other maybe twice. I don't

1315
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: a word show and it's always hi. You know. One

1316
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: time I ran into at a restaurant in Las Vegas

1317
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: and it was like there was It was the night

1318
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: that Carly and I actually met. You were in the

1319
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: same little like quarantined off little area, maybe just a

1320
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: lonely and she was talking and she handed me her

1321
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: wine glass and and and like the jackass I am,

1322
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: I asked her, because Hi, the wine was the single,

1323
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: and so I said, did you want me to hide this?

1324
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: And she just kind of flipped at me blankly, and

1325
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, cool, we're not gonna work that way.

1326
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: That's not how Carley and I are gonna be friends.

1327
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: Or congratulations on the song, thank you, congratulations on the

1328
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: c m as, just congratulations on on everything. I hope

1329
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: that you're starting to feel fulfilled. If that's what this

1330
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: feeling is, then yeah, thousand per cent, that's awesome. You

1331
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: guys follow Ashley. She's got her own name, which sometimes

1332
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: it's weird. People like, Hi, it's me, I'm Clint Black,

1333
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: but only Clint Black. One on Twitter, and I'm like, well,

1334
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: you couldn't get a tick get that black, Not that

1335
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: that's the exact case, but at Ashley McBride, you guys,

1336
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: go follow her, um, you know, go check out never

1337
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: will maybe if for some reason you've been in a

1338
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: cave and you don't know who she is and you're like, Okay,

1339
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: this is interesting, go go go listen to the music.

1340
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: I think you're one of and I mean this is

1341
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: in a complimentary way. You're one of the few album

1342
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: artists that that I will invest I'm so I need

1343
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: a couple of songs. I'm done, but there were there

1344
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: were a few you Casey Old Dominion, Brandy's that way.

1345
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: And you know, it's all songwriting. Now that I start

1346
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: to say this out loud, it's all it's songwriting more

1347
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: than it is anything else. But you're definitely an album artist.

1348
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that means anything that's comment,

1349
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: but but thank you for coming. And I think we'll

1350
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: wrap it up there, all right, There she is