WEBVTT - Hour 1 - Unique Athletes, Mike Florio

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<v Speaker 2>Hope you had a great weekend. Everybody gangs al here

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to talk about. Jaybillis the Get off My

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<v Speaker 2>to the combine. The NFL is full speed ahead for

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<v Speaker 2>an eighteen game schedule. Not a question of if, but

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<v Speaker 2>when that is going to happen. And I do think

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to modify or at least try to the kickoff.

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<v Speaker 2>Have that for you coming up. Mike Florio will join us.

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<v Speaker 2>as we always do every Monday, best and worst of

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend. I want to start out with the loss

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<v Speaker 2>of Chris Mortenson, a former co worker of mine during

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<v Speaker 2>my eighteen years at ESPN, and Peter King, Chris Mortensen,

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<v Speaker 2>Mel Kiper. They made the NFL three sixty five because

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<v Speaker 2>Mel would have his drafts. You had Peter always covering

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<v Speaker 2>the sport year round, Chris Mortenson breaking news year round.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were very fortunate that in the NFL, very

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<v Speaker 2>fortunate that you had these people covering the sport and

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<v Speaker 2>making it a year round job. And mort is well

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the most professional people I ever met.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember saying this to one of our bosses

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<v Speaker 2>at ESPN. We were waiting for a second source on something.

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<v Speaker 2>Mort had reported something. We were waiting for a second source,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said to my boss, we don't need one.

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<v Speaker 2>Mort's reporting it. And it turned out that it was

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<v Speaker 2>true what mort was reporting. But I had so much

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<v Speaker 2>confidence in mort whenever he had a story, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was fun to be around. There was no ego around

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Mortenson. He loved the sport, He appreciated the sport.

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<v Speaker 2>If he gave you his word, then that meant everything

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<v Speaker 2>to him. And to be able to have him on

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<v Speaker 2>the show, whether it's Sports Center or radio, he was

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<v Speaker 2>always available, always made himself available because he knew it

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<v Speaker 2>was for the betterment of the sport, but also for ESPN.

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<v Speaker 2>And when it came to breaking news, Chris Mortensen was

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<v Speaker 2>the guy and a great reporter as well. Had stopped

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<v Speaker 2>at a few newspapers, but when we got him at ESPN.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I give credit to John Walsh, who was

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<v Speaker 2>my former boss. He understood what the content part of

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<v Speaker 2>the business was all about. Highlights, but you had to

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<v Speaker 2>break news. Brought in Peter Gammons, had Chris Mortenson. You

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<v Speaker 2>had people who could, you know, change the sport by

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<v Speaker 2>telling you something was going to happen before anybody else,

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<v Speaker 2>and it became mussy TV. But Chris Mortenson, good Man,

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<v Speaker 2>good Man, great reporter and passing away over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, pull question, what do we have seton? What

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<v Speaker 2>are we going to start with hour one?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we could start with women's college basketball. Okay, we

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<v Speaker 3>could say women's college basketball has had a moment or

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<v Speaker 3>changed forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I look at this and I wonder is it

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<v Speaker 2>a moment or is it a movement?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Because the moment is Caitlin Clark this year, the last

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<v Speaker 2>two years has been Caitlin Clark. It's a moment. But

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<v Speaker 2>how does this sport build upon that? Is it just

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<v Speaker 2>based off Caitlyn Clark? Is there Caitlin Clark's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>who will follow? Just like Steph Curry? There have been

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<v Speaker 2>players who are trying to emulate Steph Curry. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're still not there yet if we ever get there.

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<v Speaker 2>But with Caitlin Clark now leaving college basketball and going

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<v Speaker 2>to the WNBA, does she bring the movement to the WNBA?

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<v Speaker 2>And this would be a concern. I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>see that we get to the moment, we get to

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<v Speaker 2>the point that women are leaving early for the WNBA,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're leaving because they can make as much, if

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<v Speaker 2>not more money they should be. But that's not the

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<v Speaker 2>case with nil these collectives. Caitlin Clark had all of

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<v Speaker 2>these endorsements here, but I'm wondering, if somebody's going to

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<v Speaker 2>break her record, then they have to stay four years

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<v Speaker 2>to break her record. If somebody is averaging thirty a game.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we going to get to the point where they go,

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<v Speaker 2>I can make more money in the WNBA. That's really

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<v Speaker 2>I think the key what I'll watch with Caitlin Clark.

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<v Speaker 2>Does the NBA grow, WNBA grow? Because college basketball, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have the same storylines. Do you have these players

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<v Speaker 2>who were staying three years or four years? You have

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<v Speaker 2>great coaches, you have great teams, you have great traditions.

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<v Speaker 2>But is it a moment? Does this make the sport bigger?

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<v Speaker 2>Does it make it better? Does it make it more lucrative?

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<v Speaker 2>Those are things and it's not fair to put that

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<v Speaker 2>on her, but she is sort of the battering ram here.

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<v Speaker 2>If we're able to have that translate to the WNBA.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a moment or is it a movement? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>What else do you have seton?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's because it's interesting. Some people get so big

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<v Speaker 3>that they and you know, she's kind of hit that.

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<v Speaker 3>Caitlin Clark has hit that point maybe where she's she's

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<v Speaker 3>just so gigantic that she is the whole movement.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's Taylor Swift right now. As Holly Rose said

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<v Speaker 2>to us last week, she's Taylor Swift. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>think once guys start defending, like, hey, but she's not

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Merrivitch, Like now you know that she's hit a nerve. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like dudes with me, Pete did it in

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<v Speaker 2>three years. Okay, So it's just and I've gotten I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard the arguments. I've actually got into the arguments, and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, look, I was able to see Pete play.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate Pete. Love Pete. He took forty two shots

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<v Speaker 2>per game. Caitlin Clark takes twenty two. Yes, Pete didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the three point shot. If you said, I'll give

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<v Speaker 2>Pete the three point shot, but I'll give Caitlin forty

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<v Speaker 2>two shots per game, Okay, then maybe you have a

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<v Speaker 2>discussion there. But I do like that guys get a

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<v Speaker 2>little protective there. And nobody loved Pete more than I did.

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<v Speaker 2>But still what Caitlin's doing is amazing. It's selling out places,

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<v Speaker 2>going from city to city, and it's must see TV.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the fact that Fox or ESPN they're showing

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<v Speaker 2>this yesterday afternoon, got Gus Johnson calling the game. You

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<v Speaker 2>got Travis Scott there, Celebrities are there. Maya Moore came

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<v Speaker 2>out to see her, Nolan Ryan came out to see her.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is a big deal. I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it's just a big deal now and then

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a big deal. And who is the next

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<v Speaker 2>who are the next players? Juju Watkins at USC, she

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<v Speaker 2>shoots more than Caitlin Clark does just barely. She's a freshman.

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<v Speaker 2>Is she going to stay four years or is she

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<v Speaker 2>going to say there's no reason to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>WNBA to make two hundred and fifty thousand dollars where

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<v Speaker 2>I can make a half million at USC. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>that's what this moment is facing. But like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>men's college basketball, there's no temperature there. I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 2>some good teams. I think Yukon's a wonderful team to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not a traditional exciting team and you know, with

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<v Speaker 2>today's three point shot, and they're just they're a really

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<v Speaker 2>good team. But they you know, do they have name recognition,

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<v Speaker 2>any stars? You know, any NBA first rounders? Maybe, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're just a really good team. Purdue Zach Edie, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, tell me five really good basketball players

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<v Speaker 2>for men And if you don't cover this sport, like

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<v Speaker 2>there's nobody that's kind of stepping out and transcending the

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<v Speaker 2>sport where you go, I got to watch that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>We have that with Caitlyn Clark, You've had that with

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<v Speaker 2>yukon women's basketball teams. Diana Tarossi is my favorite basket

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<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite basketball players and my favorite women's

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<v Speaker 2>basketball player of all time. I just I loved watching

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<v Speaker 2>your play and there is I'm glad that we're getting

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<v Speaker 2>eyeballs on the women's sport as well, because now you're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing how they play, how they shoot. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>more of basketball. There's movement. By the way Caitlyn Clark's passing,

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<v Speaker 2>she would be one of the greats of all time

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<v Speaker 2>just her passing. She's wonderful. You know. It's one of

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<v Speaker 2>those where there's certain players that they're so creative, so

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<v Speaker 2>good that their teammates can't keep up with it, like

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<v Speaker 2>they don't see what that person sees, and then sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>you get hit in the head. Maravich would always they

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<v Speaker 2>just never knew where it was coming from. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if Pete threw it to you, chances are you might

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<v Speaker 2>not see it and get hit in the head. And

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<v Speaker 2>Caitlin Clark, you know, to be a team player. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be selfish to be that good a

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<v Speaker 2>score you just do every single night. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>shoot at least twenty two times. You have to get

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<v Speaker 2>those shots. But she also found time to be you know,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody had a thousand assists in her career. But I

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<v Speaker 2>do wonder where we go after this with the sport,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's college or whether it's the WNBA. What else

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<v Speaker 2>do you have seton?

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<v Speaker 3>We can shift over to the combine if you want.

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<v Speaker 3>JJ McCarthy should get credit for going to the combine

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<v Speaker 3>or had to go to the combine.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you don't get credit for going to the combine.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people do well. You can get credit for working

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<v Speaker 2>out at the combine, I guess, but it felt like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I didn't mean like just being in Oh okay, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll change it to working out at the combine.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, JJ mcon is just sitting in the stands. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't mean it like that. You got to give him credit.

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<v Speaker 2>I talked to a source over the weekend who was

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<v Speaker 2>at the combine, and I said, just just help me

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<v Speaker 2>out with JJ McCarthy because it just feels like now,

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, we're being inundated with oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>JJ McCarthy's moving up the draft board and maybe he is,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe he'll be a top ten pick. Still feels

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<v Speaker 2>like it's either the Vikings or the Broncos who were

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<v Speaker 2>going to take him. But that's just obviously speculation with

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<v Speaker 2>mock drafts. But I'm watching and I'm going, okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I hear this way he's a dual threat. No,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not. If I looked at his total yards for

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<v Speaker 2>his career at Michigan, Jade and Daniels rushed for more

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<v Speaker 2>yards this year at LSU than JJ McCarthy did in

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<v Speaker 2>his entire career.

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<v Speaker 1>Who the stat of.

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<v Speaker 5>The Day Stana day, Statuta day, scant outa day.

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<v Speaker 6>Was funny to watch the coverage NFL Networks coverage this week.

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<v Speaker 6>Go and JJ McCarthy got out there, the unveiled the measurables,

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<v Speaker 6>and Peter Schreker's like.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's taller than what we thought.

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<v Speaker 6>He goes, he is taller than what we thought, and

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<v Speaker 6>they all go you know what, he was listed at

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<v Speaker 6>two hundred and seven pounds on the roster this year.

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<v Speaker 6>He weighed in a two twenty one. That's great sign.

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<v Speaker 6>They were like oohing and eyeing about it. But I

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<v Speaker 6>think he suffers from almost like a babyface syndrome. He

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<v Speaker 6>looks very, very young.

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<v Speaker 2>He could be Zach Wilson's younger brother. That's exactly where

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<v Speaker 2>I was going.

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<v Speaker 6>I think he's gonna have some of that Zach Wilson

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<v Speaker 6>looks the stark you know, the WB star quarterback part.

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<v Speaker 6>But you know he's bigger and stronger than what we thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't get it, but then you know, Sean

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<v Speaker 2>Payton may see something like, oh wow, this this translates.

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<v Speaker 2>Or if the Vikings lose Kirk Cousins, then maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>take JJ McCarthy and maybe he's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>great quarterback.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the draft is littered with man I thought

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<v Speaker 2>that guy was gonna be really good too. Nobody saw that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, don't forget, it's hand sized Tuesday, almost all the

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<v Speaker 6>numbers are in on quarterback plan accordingly, Oh no, take

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<v Speaker 6>the day off if you have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, so there's already some numbers trickling in

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<v Speaker 2>on hand size.

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<v Speaker 6>I've got all the hand sizes already, but I'd like

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<v Speaker 6>to confirm with second sources.

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<v Speaker 2>Were journalists? Okay, of course, we don't want to smirch

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<v Speaker 2>anyone's hands. No, no, sorry, Marvin, it's too early for all.

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<v Speaker 2>This take the day after my mark. Yeah, see you

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<v Speaker 2>guys Wednesday? Yeah, oh, were you waving goodbye? I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see her hand there? See you see you?

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<v Speaker 6>No breeze from it either.

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<v Speaker 2>Alrighty, so we'll come up with the pole question here.

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<v Speaker 2>Lebron hits forty thousand points, okay, like it's it's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>with you know, he's just adding to his total, whereas

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<v Speaker 2>Caitlyn Clark actually surpassed a number, and that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the difference, can't I mean, do you celebrate forty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>just because it's a round number. We'd love to do that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he got forty thousand, Okay, if he got to thirty

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<v Speaker 2>nine nine nine nine, noe can't celebrate forty thousand. But

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<v Speaker 2>Caitlin Clark surpasses Pete Maravich. Therefore we do have an accomplishment,

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<v Speaker 2>like she surpassed somebody. I love that. Lynette Woodard was

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<v Speaker 2>honored there as well. I thought that was wonderful. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad that people have reckonized and realized, you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>of the other players before Caitlin Clark, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's what's been great about this. There are probably people

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<v Speaker 2>who were forty years or younger had no idea about

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Marrivitch like he was, you know, the mythological where

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<v Speaker 2>you go, yeah, I heard about this marriage guy. He

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<v Speaker 2>averaged forty four game Cowey and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>you see the highlights and you go And I talked

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<v Speaker 2>to a friend of mine who covers the NBA, and

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about marriviage. We're around the same age,

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<v Speaker 2>and he agrees with me. We were talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>Pete scored so much that he got bored by it

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<v Speaker 2>because there was nothing he could do. Where you go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Pete had fifty two, and be like, yeah, I remember

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<v Speaker 2>when Pete had sixty eight against the Knicks and without

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<v Speaker 2>a three point shot, and he did it in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that I mean, he should have had eighty and

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<v Speaker 2>there was no three point shot. Yes, Mark, Wait, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a little deaf in this. I thought you said

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<v Speaker 2>sixty eight. He had sixty eight against the Knicks with

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<v Speaker 2>no three point line? Yeah? Was that a Wal Fraser?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably Walt Fraser, Dean Meminger, and I think there was

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named Henry Bacon maybe at a Louisville. I

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<v Speaker 2>think those were the three guys who guarded him. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think he had sixty eight against the Knicks, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you watch the game, you're going, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>like he missed some easy shots. He should have had eighty.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, PAULI, yeah, Maravich in that game, I got the

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<v Speaker 6>box score twenty six to forty three, from the field

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<v Speaker 6>sixty to ninth when the free throw line sixty eight points.

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<v Speaker 2>Six assists.

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<v Speaker 6>He faced Bob mcadow, Earl Monroe, Tom McMillan, Walt Fraser,

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<v Speaker 6>and Bill Bradley and Phil Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, amongst the people they faced. Yeah, he's sixty eight

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<v Speaker 2>and leave it to me. When Walt Fraser went into

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<v Speaker 2>the Basketball Hall of Fame, I talked to Walt Fraser

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the things I said, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>he was a great defensive player, and I said, how

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<v Speaker 2>could you give up sixty eight to Maravich? He goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't guard him the whole time, like it's his weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm ruining it because I'm bringing up how could

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<v Speaker 2>you let him score sixty eight on you guys? You

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<v Speaker 2>guys played great defense.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Paul, just to work in on Michael, Jordan mentioned

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<v Speaker 6>Michael's best game ever scoring with sixty nine points. He

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<v Speaker 6>had two three pointers in that game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, only two?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see anything else that needs to be mentioned here.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Evans, got some Mike Evans news. Got some Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Jay billis set to join us as well. We'll take

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get to Jay Billis, this in from NFL

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<v Speaker 2>Network Mike Evans fifty two million dollars over two years

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<v Speaker 2>to stay with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That's great. If

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Baker Mayfield, that certainly would help me with my decision.

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<v Speaker 2>If you get an offer that's comparable with another team.

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta is a team to keep an eye on. Also

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<v Speaker 2>the Patriots for Baker Mayfield. This is just chatter out

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<v Speaker 2>of the combine. It could be motivated by, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Baker's representatives of hey, if the Bucks aren't going to pay,

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<v Speaker 2>there's other teams that could be interested. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 2>get to Jay Billis. He has been college basketball analyst

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<v Speaker 2>and the recipient of the Kirk Gowney Award from the

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<v Speaker 2>Basketball Hall of Fame. What was that day like in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen when you got that?

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<v Speaker 4>It was awesome. You don't often hear my name associated

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<v Speaker 4>with any sort of hall or fame. So it was fantastic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it was wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh good, Speaking of great, what's more impressive to you,

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<v Speaker 2>Caitlin Clark what she did in her career or Lebron

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<v Speaker 2>getting to forty thousand points?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow? I don't that's a difficult comparison. They're both amazing,

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<v Speaker 4>And that kind of brings up an interesting point is

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<v Speaker 4>almost our need to go away from celebrating the accomplishment

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<v Speaker 4>and then, you know, try to put it in a

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<v Speaker 4>different context. Like when Tiger Woods went to the Masters.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't say who's better Tiger Jack, you know, when

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<v Speaker 4>he's getting the green jacket put on him. But we

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<v Speaker 4>seem to do that for some reason. Now I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what the greater accomplishment was. All I know, dan

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<v Speaker 4>is Caitlyn Clark is a super nova the likes of

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<v Speaker 4>which we've never seen in certainly in women's basketball and

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<v Speaker 4>arguably in college basketball period. And it has been amazing

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<v Speaker 4>to see her fill all these arenas and to play

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<v Speaker 4>the way she plays, to play with that kind of joy,

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<v Speaker 4>which I think is an additive to just her scoring.

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<v Speaker 4>And then one thing that gets overlooked a little bit,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe not by some of the basketball experts that cover games.

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<v Speaker 4>But she's an extraordinary passer. There's no other scorer that

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<v Speaker 4>I know of on that list of the greatest scorers

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<v Speaker 4>in women's basketball and even men's that is as high

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<v Speaker 4>up on the assist level as she is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>she's a magnificent passer in addition to being ann believable score.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I wonder if it translates to the WNBA, like,

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<v Speaker 2>is this a moment or is this a movement where

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the WNBA starts to get more recognition. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>not fair to say to her, Hey, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>be the person who's going to lift up the WNBA

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<v Speaker 2>after you did this for college basketball. But I wonder,

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<v Speaker 2>how does the WNBA benefit from this aside from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Caitlin playing in Indiana.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the WNBA will benefit from having all those

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<v Speaker 4>eyeballs going toward her and then the eyeballs catching how

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<v Speaker 4>much great play there is aside from her. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a spotlight that'll illuminate a lot more than just her.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's nothing but plus is there. You know, we

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<v Speaker 4>had an interesting conversation about Kaitlin Clark a few weeks

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<v Speaker 4>ago on college game day where there was the point made,

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<v Speaker 4>can you really call her great? She hasn't won a

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<v Speaker 4>championship yet, even though even though I was in the

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<v Speaker 4>championship game last year against LSU, and it sort of

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<v Speaker 4>brought up the idea of it is a fair discussion

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<v Speaker 4>who's the greatest women's player of all time, just like

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<v Speaker 4>it is who's the greatest Like Maravich was the all

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<v Speaker 4>time leading scorer, but I wouldn't say he was the

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<v Speaker 4>greatest player ever in men's college basketball. So those are

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<v Speaker 4>good discussions, but we don't, you know, it's like the

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<v Speaker 4>nuance gets lost in the accomplishment, Like her accomplishment is fact,

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<v Speaker 4>Like there's no debate she's the greatest scorer in Division

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<v Speaker 4>I history. Now there is a discussion about, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>whether these records. You know, there's a woman named Pearl

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<v Speaker 4>Moore who scored over four thousand points before the NCAA

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<v Speaker 4>was started for women's basketball. You know, she played at

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<v Speaker 4>Francis Mary in South Carolina, played for Sylvia Hatchell, who

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<v Speaker 4>later became the head coach at North Carolina. And why

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't the NCUBA, you know, recognize those records recognized Lynette

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<v Speaker 4>woodards records. Let Order played in Kansas. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>not like she played it's some tiny little college that

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<v Speaker 4>didn't play against anybody. So those are those are other

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<v Speaker 4>sort of nuanced discussions that we seem incapable of having

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<v Speaker 4>while the record was just broken.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so how do you quantify her career? Jay Williams,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, your teammate on college game day, He's the

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<v Speaker 2>one that said, can't call it grade. She had and

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<v Speaker 2>won titles.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, and I differed with it at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>I think great and great st are two different discussions,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think it is a fair discussion to say,

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<v Speaker 4>was was Diana Trossi the better player? Or was Cheryl

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<v Speaker 4>Miller the better player? We can have those discussions, but

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<v Speaker 4>nothing gets accomplished there because those are fun barroom discussions,

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<v Speaker 4>just like you know, we can sit and talk about

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<v Speaker 4>the greatest golfer and we're going to argue over Tiger

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<v Speaker 4>Woods and Jack Nicholas, Jack Nicholas, and somebody's going to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen versus fifteen. End of discussion. And it's a little

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<v Speaker 4>more nuanced than that too. But at the end of

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<v Speaker 4>that discussion, what's really accomplished, Because you know, Pete Marrovich,

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<v Speaker 4>you could say, well, wait a minute, Pete Maravich only

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<v Speaker 4>played three years, he didn't have a three point shot,

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<v Speaker 4>he did play in a segregated SEC where there were

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<v Speaker 4>only white guys playing. But at the same time, he

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<v Speaker 4>averaged forty four points a game for his career. So

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<v Speaker 4>when we argue about greatest scorer, you know that's a

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<v Speaker 4>nuanced part of the discussion. But you know, you ultimately

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<v Speaker 4>circle back to one thing there's no discussion about. Is

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<v Speaker 4>Caitlin clark by what has scored more points than anyone

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<v Speaker 4>that has played Division one college basketball. That's a fact.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that we're even getting into these kind of

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<v Speaker 2>conversations because you know, when Kelsey Plumb was doing what

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<v Speaker 2>she was doing, we weren't saying, yeah, well, but she's

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<v Speaker 2>not Pete Marrivich. Now when you have a nickname of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ponytail Pete or you know what her nickname

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<v Speaker 2>was in high school. Now she surpasses him on the

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<v Speaker 2>all time scoring record. But I can look at Brianna

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<v Speaker 2>Stewart as the greatest women's college basketball player of all time,

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<v Speaker 2>like four years, four titles and MVP and those four

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can't do any better than that, That's.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, and you know, you could bring up Luel Sinder

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<v Speaker 4>Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and it does not when we're discussing

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<v Speaker 4>the best player, the best player ever in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 4>For some reason, he's not brought up as early as

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<v Speaker 4>as a person like me thinks he should be. But again,

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<v Speaker 4>those are just subjective barroom discussions that are our media discussions.

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<v Speaker 4>That are great, they're fun. But Caitlin Clark's presence and

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<v Speaker 4>what she has done to elevate the game. To your

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<v Speaker 4>point about Kelsey Plump, we didn't pay as much attention

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<v Speaker 4>to Kelsey Plumb's records and we're paying more attention now

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<v Speaker 4>because of how she and others. It's not just her,

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<v Speaker 4>but she's been the lead dog in this has elevated,

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<v Speaker 4>elevated the college game.

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<v Speaker 2>He's Jay Bill, a ESPN college basketball analyst and a

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<v Speaker 2>nominee for the Get Off My Lawn Guy. After the

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<v Speaker 2>storm the court storming, I took abuse.

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 4>I prefer old man yelling at clouds.

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:13.879
<v Speaker 2>Frank, Okay, you you took a couple of slings and

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:16.680
<v Speaker 2>arrows there, but you you know you held your own

0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:19.199
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. Did it hurt?

0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:25.480
<v Speaker 4>No? Because it's another thing where nuance gets lost, like

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:29.200
<v Speaker 4>the whole discussion was dancing double A or the the

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 4>institutions are the conferences. They're not going to do anything

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 4>about this anyway, and and they say they can't, you know,

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.359
<v Speaker 4>experts tell them that they can't stop it because it

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 4>would cause more problems. They could stop it tomorrow if

0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 4>they wanted, and obviously detaining people and giving them citations

0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:47.439
<v Speaker 4>like you would on the side of a road give

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:52.199
<v Speaker 4>somebody a ticket is more to the extreme side. I mean,

0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:55.200
<v Speaker 4>they could hire way more security, but that's going to

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:58.760
<v Speaker 4>cost them way more money. And you could, certainly you

0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:01.359
<v Speaker 4>could stop it tomorrow you wanted to. They don't want to,

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 4>and that's okay. And I'm not trying to talk anybody

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.200
<v Speaker 4>out of loving it. I mean, there have been times

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:09.119
<v Speaker 4>in my career, Dan where I thought I thought it

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 4>was fine, But then you see when I was in

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:16.359
<v Speaker 4>NC State when they had a court storming and there

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:19.679
<v Speaker 4>was people that got hurt, and you're just asking yourself,

0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 4>what is it worth it? And for some people like fans,

0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:25.720
<v Speaker 4>seem to think they're entitled to it. But I raised

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 4>a point on a show called Pardon My Take about Kansas.

0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:32.439
<v Speaker 4>You know, I said they were talking about passion if

0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:35.360
<v Speaker 4>I remember, right, like it shows the passion of the fans,

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:39.440
<v Speaker 4>the court storming, and like it's after the game's over.

0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:43.159
<v Speaker 4>It's great, it's a great celebration, but the passion has

0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:46.719
<v Speaker 4>shown in my view during the game. And there's no

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 4>better place than Kansas, and they don't have any court

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 4>stormings and it shows. And I think the response was, well,

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 4>they don't storm the court because they win all the time.

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:56.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's not the point I was making. But

0:26:57.400 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, sometimes nuance gets lost. That's okay, that's that's

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:00.400
<v Speaker 4>what we do.

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I understand it. And I was there at the Mothership.

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 2>We glamorized this championship week. Everybody wanted to be on TV.

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Now you got kids who want to be, you know,

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 2>on TikTok while they go on the court. You know, hey,

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:17.919
<v Speaker 2>what could go wrong here? So I just said, if

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 2>you can get the police surround the team, let the

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 2>teams know, hey, this is going to happen at the

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 2>end of the game. You'll get police to get the

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.679
<v Speaker 2>basketball team off the floor. I mean, you have to

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:32.639
<v Speaker 2>ensure the safety of that opposing basketball team. That's imperative,

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:36.640
<v Speaker 2>the students that's going to be on the university right.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I agree with all of that, but just when

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 4>you start talking about, okay, now we have to have

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 4>a police presence to protect the players because we're accepting

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 4>that this is going to happen, and we have rules

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 4>in place at these conferences that it shouldn't happen, so

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 4>it's prohibited, but there's a nod and a wink that

0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 4>we're going to allow it and just protect the players.

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:04.199
<v Speaker 4>And look, I get all of it. Everybody wants to

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 4>show that they're passionate. Part of this is for recruiting,

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 4>part of it's for marketing. And look, I'm not saying

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 4>that we're evil because we show it, but we can't

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:16.359
<v Speaker 4>like sit here and rail this is wrong. This is

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:19.000
<v Speaker 4>wrong when we do it. You know, we're part of it.

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 4>That way, it doesn't mean that it's this horrible thing

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 4>that everybody needs to be called on the carpet, but

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, we need to acknowledge that we're you know,

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:30.080
<v Speaker 4>we we glorify it or certainly use it to our benefit.

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 2>How much of a concern is it for you that

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 2>the regular season men's regular season kind of lacks those

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 2>big games, big moments, you know, March madness stands alone.

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 2>We don't even know the players, but we still watch

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 2>because you're able to do your brackets. You know, the

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 2>casual fan is not aware. What can college basketball do,

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 2>in your opinion, to make these regular season games maybe

0:28:58.480 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 2>more must see TV.

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 4>Well, for a significant segment of the viewer's population, it

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 4>is must TV. The ratings prove it, like it's not

0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 4>like our ratings are going down. That's not happening. And

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 4>I don't I get it. Like we've become a football culture,

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 4>and so at all these different media companies, yours included,

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 4>you cover football more than anything else, and you cover

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 4>basketball more when we get toward the NCAA tournament. And

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 4>that's fine. Like my phone is a great example of it.

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 4>Like my phone rings off the hook for interviews from

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 4>now until April. In the middle of April. It doesn't

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 4>ring as much during the regular season. They used to

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 4>ring a lot more. That's because football is dominating that space.

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 4>And it's dominating that space at my company, I think

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 4>it is at yours. You look everywhere. That's that's just

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 4>the way it is. That's more popular. Like we're into

0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 4>analytics too, and we know we know what people watch

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 4>more than than other things. We I think at ESPN,

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 4>I think this is right. We have more college basketball

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 4>games on the air than anything else, way more than

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 4>NFL games. I mean it's not even close. But we

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 4>cover the NFL at a much higher rate, including during

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 4>the off season, at a much higher rate than anything else.

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 4>And that's that's business. So I'm not I'm not concerned

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 4>about it at all. It's it's it's fine with me.

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 4>You just have to deal with it. But but you know, coverage,

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 4>how do you get coveraged. The most I'm ever called

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 4>is when somebody in college basketball during the regular season

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 4>does something stupid. There's that court storming thing. It has

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 4>very little to do with the play on the floor,

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 4>or the players or the coaches. It's really about controversy.

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 4>But that's the way the media business has gone. And

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm fine with that. It's just the way it is.

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 2>But you have to admit, I mean, there's no star

0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 2>power in men's basketball like cross maybe star power like

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 2>where you go. I mean Zach Edie, all right, you

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 2>can tune in, I mean Zion four years ago, but

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean he's he's the exception here.

0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's that's kind of the point. And but Caitlin

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 4>Clark is the exception in the women's game. But that

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 4>the point is, what do you do. You have to

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 4>have something like that in order to make to move

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 4>football out, But that small amount of time you get

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 4>to talk about it, So I get that. I'm not

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 4>concerned about it. It's not like it's not like the

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 4>NBA is squeezing out football either, because it's not. And

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 4>and there are stars in baseball that's not squeezed out football.

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 4>You know, We've got something in football that is that

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 4>has sort of dominated our culture. And and I have

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 4>no problem with it. I'm not sitting here going, hey,

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 4>talk more about basketball. You know. I talk about it

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 4>when it's time to talk about it. People don't want

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 4>to if they'd rather talk about football. What am I

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 4>going to do. I'm not going to stop anybody.

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Best team right now is who you can't they're.

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 4>They're the best team. And it's kind of amazing gan

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 4>that they had. They had all those losses from last

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 4>year's national championship team, and relative to the field in

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 4>the last month or two, they're better against the field

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 4>this year than they were against the field last year.

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 4>People tend to forget that last year, they were the

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 4>best team in the first month, month and a half

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 4>of the season. They rose to number two, but they

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 4>were the best team I think. I think most of

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 4>us recognized that and said so. And then they went

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 4>through a lull where they lost six of eight and

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 4>Big East play and lost in the semifinals of their

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 4>conference tournament to Marquette. But when the tournament started there

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 4>was no question. This year they're the recognized favorite, but

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 4>they have competition. But because of the transfer portal, talent

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 4>is more spread out. So we've seen a little more

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 4>what people like to call parody in the game. And

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 4>now we're saying it's going to be a wild tournament.

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 4>Every time we say it's going to be a wild tournament,

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:55.240
<v Speaker 4>it's not as wild as we think. And every time

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 4>we think we haven't knocked, then it's wild. So I

0:32:57.920 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 4>have no idea what's going to happen, and that's kind

0:32:59.880 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 4>of delicious.

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll be calling you over the next couple of weeks.

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 4>Jay, Well, you have a direct line, and you know,

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 4>I really do want to thank you for having me

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 4>as the Mercedes interview because and I appreciate you sending

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 4>me the new Mercedes. Thank you. That's going to be great.

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, keep an eye out. It's going to be in

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>the mail package. Not as big as you might expect, just.

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 4>A little match box.

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I didn't say, you know, if it was

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 2>regular size or not. You'll get your Mercedes. But thank you, Jay,

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 2>always a pleasure.

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:36.000
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what they do with a bye week,

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<v Speaker 2>an extra bye week. There how many different countries we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be playing in, and I do think there'll

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<v Speaker 2>be modifications to the kickoff. And as I said last week,

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<v Speaker 2>I was told that if you have an on side kick,

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<v Speaker 2>or you're going to attempt it, you have to let

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<v Speaker 2>the other team know because the way the formation is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be, that would be the traditional formation for

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<v Speaker 2>a kickoff as opposed to what we've had in the XFL.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll talk to Florio. So I think we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have this. I think this is a real thing

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<v Speaker 2>on the horizon because they want to get the kickoff

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<v Speaker 2>back into the game without having somebody have a forty

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 2>yard head start smashing into somebody.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Poey, I'm shocked. I'm glad you brought that up

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 6>about the on side kick. The on side kick is

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 6>almost impossible now without the run up, And now you're

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 6>going to both not have the run up on the

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:36.759
<v Speaker 6>on side kick and announce that this is the play

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 6>you're intending to do. Yeah, with lack of surprise, I mean,

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:41.080
<v Speaker 6>you go back to one of the great moments in

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 6>Super Bowl history, Sean Payton with the surprise to on

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.359
<v Speaker 6>side kick. That element has gone of the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So there's a little bit of fallout from the

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<v Speaker 2>combine as far as people are moving up. Maybe somebody

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 2>who's moving down. The fact that JJ McCarthy went to

0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 2>the combine he was the only one throwing. What that

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:07.799
<v Speaker 2>does for his stock. It feels like there's there's enough momentum,

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 2>uh that he's he's moving up. It just feels like

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<v Speaker 2>there's something that's there with JJ McCarthy. I have to

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<v Speaker 2>admit I don't see it. Think he's a nice quarterback,

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:23.240
<v Speaker 2>but like bo Nix is a dual threat. Bo Nix

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<v Speaker 2>is somebody who can hurt you with his arm and

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 2>his leg and his legs not one leg. But JJ

0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 2>McCarthy not really that kind of quarterback. But I think

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:37.279
<v Speaker 2>he's given credit for that. Michael Pennix with the medicals,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the big hold up there. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's some offensive linemen, wide receivers. Those those are kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the big stand downs here. A lot of depth

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<v Speaker 2>there at those positions. Some phone calls here. Let's start

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<v Speaker 2>with Noah in Iowa.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi, Noah, Hi there, Hi.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm calling to talk about the coming made about whether

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<v Speaker 8>it's a movement or a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 8>I was at my daughter's ten year old basketball tournament

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<v Speaker 8>this weekend and there's a girl there from another school

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<v Speaker 8>who was doing everything you see Caitlyn doing. She could

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 8>drive between the legs better than most teenager ken. She

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 8>was shooting threes, doing the step toear left and shoot

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<v Speaker 8>that Caitlin does about the only difference is that this

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:36.360
<v Speaker 8>girl was left handed. So I don't think she was

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 8>emulating Stephen Curry. I think she's emulating Caitlyn.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sure she is. But I want to know

0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:46.240
<v Speaker 2>is this a moment? Is it a movement? Going into

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<v Speaker 2>the WNBA with what I said, I didn't say, is

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 2>anybody emulating I said, we might not know the true

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.719
<v Speaker 2>impact of Caitlyn Clark for another ten years, where we

0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:59.800
<v Speaker 2>see a wave of players who have grown up playing

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 2>the style, maybe they're eight, nine, ten years old, and

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<v Speaker 2>then when they get their moment, we're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>going they were directly influenced by Caitlin Clark. Absolutely. I

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<v Speaker 2>was wondering about what happens in the WNBA. Is that

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<v Speaker 2>elevated Paul and Iowa Hi Paul.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey Dan, Well, I just wanted to kind of comment

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<v Speaker 7>on what Jay Billis is saying. He mentioned when was

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<v Speaker 7>the last time Kansas stormed the court? Well, Kansas stormed

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<v Speaker 7>the field just this football season, and wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 7>so did Duke. But Jay Billis will never understand what

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:40.799
<v Speaker 7>makes storming special. It's about the upset. It's about they

0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:43.080
<v Speaker 7>think they're better than us and we beat them. And

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<v Speaker 7>as an elitist Dukie, Jay Billis will never understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, we're talking about football. You're talking

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:54.720
<v Speaker 2>about Kansas football, not basketball. That's what Jay was talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>And as far as Duke, we've mentioned Duke stormed the

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.919
<v Speaker 2>field when they beat Clemson. Absolutely. I don't know if

0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Jay is disavowing any knowledge of that, but yeah, we're

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:10.359
<v Speaker 2>talking about two different things. Here, Wess in Alabama, Let's

0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 2>see whe can squeeze in here?

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<v Speaker 9>Wes e foot to fifty. Dan, I've heard about you

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<v Speaker 9>guys are talking about this course storming issue all week long,

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<v Speaker 9>and I think you're going about it the wrong way.

0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 9>I don't think you can just put as many security

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 9>guards and cops out there as you can, because there's

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<v Speaker 9>gonna be one guy that's going to get out there.

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:33.839
<v Speaker 9>It's going to rag doll some eighteen year old girl,

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 9>and it's gonna look fast at the news. What you

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 9>got to do is you're gonna make it a like

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 9>a repercussion kind of deal. So everybody knows. Every arena

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 9>in the nation's got a thousand cameras. You can go

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:45.160
<v Speaker 9>to those footage after the game is over, see who

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 9>storm the court. And what you do is you utilize

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:49.319
<v Speaker 9>the students because the students are the ones that are

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<v Speaker 9>leading the charge down to the court.

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<v Speaker 2>We're running out of time. I still believe if you

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<v Speaker 2>hire six to eight police officers, get the basketball team,

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<v Speaker 2>the oposing basketball team off the court. If you want

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 2>to have students rush the court and they rush at

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<v Speaker 2>their peril, then it's going to be on the university.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's imperative that you get the opposing team off

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<v Speaker 2>the basketball floor.