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Speaker 2: as we always do every Monday, best and worst of
Speaker 2: the weekend. I want to start out with the loss
Speaker 2: of Chris Mortenson, a former co worker of mine during
Speaker 2: my eighteen years at ESPN, and Peter King, Chris Mortensen,
Speaker 2: Mel Kiper. They made the NFL three sixty five because
Speaker 2: Mel would have his drafts. You had Peter always covering
Speaker 2: the sport year round, Chris Mortenson breaking news year round.
Speaker 2: So we were very fortunate that in the NFL, very
Speaker 2: fortunate that you had these people covering the sport and
Speaker 2: making it a year round job. And mort is well
Speaker 2: was one of the most professional people I ever met.
Speaker 2: And I remember saying this to one of our bosses
Speaker 2: at ESPN. We were waiting for a second source on something.
Speaker 2: Mort had reported something. We were waiting for a second source,
Speaker 2: and I said to my boss, we don't need one.
Speaker 2: Mort's reporting it. And it turned out that it was
Speaker 2: true what mort was reporting. But I had so much
Speaker 2: confidence in mort whenever he had a story, and he
Speaker 2: was fun to be around. There was no ego around
Speaker 2: Chris Mortenson. He loved the sport, He appreciated the sport.
Speaker 2: If he gave you his word, then that meant everything
Speaker 2: to him. And to be able to have him on
Speaker 2: the show, whether it's Sports Center or radio, he was
Speaker 2: always available, always made himself available because he knew it
Speaker 2: was for the betterment of the sport, but also for ESPN.
Speaker 2: And when it came to breaking news, Chris Mortensen was
Speaker 2: the guy and a great reporter as well. Had stopped
Speaker 2: at a few newspapers, but when we got him at ESPN.
Speaker 2: You know, I give credit to John Walsh, who was
Speaker 2: my former boss. He understood what the content part of
Speaker 2: the business was all about. Highlights, but you had to
Speaker 2: break news. Brought in Peter Gammons, had Chris Mortenson. You
Speaker 2: had people who could, you know, change the sport by
Speaker 2: telling you something was going to happen before anybody else,
Speaker 2: and it became mussy TV. But Chris Mortenson, good Man,
Speaker 2: good Man, great reporter and passing away over the weekend.
Speaker 2: All right, pull question, what do we have seton? What
Speaker 2: are we going to start with hour one?
Speaker 3: Well, we could start with women's college basketball. Okay, we
Speaker 3: could say women's college basketball has had a moment or
Speaker 3: changed forever.
Speaker 2: Well, I look at this and I wonder is it
Speaker 2: a moment or is it a movement?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Because the moment is Caitlin Clark this year, the last
Speaker 2: two years has been Caitlin Clark. It's a moment. But
Speaker 2: how does this sport build upon that? Is it just
Speaker 2: based off Caitlyn Clark? Is there Caitlin Clark's you know,
Speaker 2: who will follow? Just like Steph Curry? There have been
Speaker 2: players who are trying to emulate Steph Curry. You know,
Speaker 2: we're still not there yet if we ever get there.
Speaker 2: But with Caitlin Clark now leaving college basketball and going
Speaker 2: to the WNBA, does she bring the movement to the WNBA?
Speaker 2: And this would be a concern. I would love to
Speaker 2: see that we get to the moment, we get to
Speaker 2: the point that women are leaving early for the WNBA,
Speaker 2: but they're leaving because they can make as much, if
Speaker 2: not more money they should be. But that's not the
Speaker 2: case with nil these collectives. Caitlin Clark had all of
Speaker 2: these endorsements here, but I'm wondering, if somebody's going to
Speaker 2: break her record, then they have to stay four years
Speaker 2: to break her record. If somebody is averaging thirty a game.
Speaker 2: Are we going to get to the point where they go,
Speaker 2: I can make more money in the WNBA. That's really
Speaker 2: I think the key what I'll watch with Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 2: Does the NBA grow, WNBA grow? Because college basketball, you know,
Speaker 2: we have the same storylines. Do you have these players
Speaker 2: who were staying three years or four years? You have
Speaker 2: great coaches, you have great teams, you have great traditions.
Speaker 2: But is it a moment? Does this make the sport bigger?
Speaker 2: Does it make it better? Does it make it more lucrative?
Speaker 2: Those are things and it's not fair to put that
Speaker 2: on her, but she is sort of the battering ram here.
Speaker 2: If we're able to have that translate to the WNBA.
Speaker 2: Is it a moment or is it a movement? All right?
Speaker 2: What else do you have seton?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because it's interesting. Some people get so big
Speaker 3: that they and you know, she's kind of hit that.
Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark has hit that point maybe where she's she's
Speaker 3: just so gigantic that she is the whole movement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's Taylor Swift right now. As Holly Rose said
Speaker 2: to us last week, she's Taylor Swift. But I do
Speaker 2: think once guys start defending, like, hey, but she's not
Speaker 2: Pete Merrivitch, Like now you know that she's hit a nerve. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, like dudes with me, Pete did it in
Speaker 2: three years. Okay, So it's just and I've gotten I've
Speaker 2: heard the arguments. I've actually got into the arguments, and
Speaker 2: I said, look, I was able to see Pete play.
Speaker 2: I appreciate Pete. Love Pete. He took forty two shots
Speaker 2: per game. Caitlin Clark takes twenty two. Yes, Pete didn't
Speaker 2: have the three point shot. If you said, I'll give
Speaker 2: Pete the three point shot, but I'll give Caitlin forty
Speaker 2: two shots per game, Okay, then maybe you have a
Speaker 2: discussion there. But I do like that guys get a
Speaker 2: little protective there. And nobody loved Pete more than I did.
Speaker 2: But still what Caitlin's doing is amazing. It's selling out places,
Speaker 2: going from city to city, and it's must see TV.
Speaker 2: You know the fact that Fox or ESPN they're showing
Speaker 2: this yesterday afternoon, got Gus Johnson calling the game. You
Speaker 2: got Travis Scott there, Celebrities are there. Maya Moore came
Speaker 2: out to see her, Nolan Ryan came out to see her.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a big deal. I just don't
Speaker 2: know if it's just a big deal now and then
Speaker 2: it's not a big deal. And who is the next
Speaker 2: who are the next players? Juju Watkins at USC, she
Speaker 2: shoots more than Caitlin Clark does just barely. She's a freshman.
Speaker 2: Is she going to stay four years or is she
Speaker 2: going to say there's no reason to go to the
Speaker 2: WNBA to make two hundred and fifty thousand dollars where
Speaker 2: I can make a half million at USC. That's what
Speaker 2: that's what this moment is facing. But like you know,
Speaker 2: men's college basketball, there's no temperature there. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: some good teams. I think Yukon's a wonderful team to watch.
Speaker 2: They're not a traditional exciting team and you know, with
Speaker 2: today's three point shot, and they're just they're a really
Speaker 2: good team. But they you know, do they have name recognition,
Speaker 2: any stars? You know, any NBA first rounders? Maybe, but
Speaker 2: they're they're just a really good team. Purdue Zach Edie, Okay,
Speaker 2: but you know, tell me five really good basketball players
Speaker 2: for men And if you don't cover this sport, like
Speaker 2: there's nobody that's kind of stepping out and transcending the
Speaker 2: sport where you go, I got to watch that guy.
Speaker 2: We have that with Caitlyn Clark, You've had that with
Speaker 2: yukon women's basketball teams. Diana Tarossi is my favorite basket
Speaker 2: one of my favorite basketball players and my favorite women's
Speaker 2: basketball player of all time. I just I loved watching
Speaker 2: your play and there is I'm glad that we're getting
Speaker 2: eyeballs on the women's sport as well, because now you're
Speaker 2: seeing how they play, how they shoot. You know, it's
Speaker 2: more of basketball. There's movement. By the way Caitlyn Clark's passing,
Speaker 2: she would be one of the greats of all time
Speaker 2: just her passing. She's wonderful. You know. It's one of
Speaker 2: those where there's certain players that they're so creative, so
Speaker 2: good that their teammates can't keep up with it, like
Speaker 2: they don't see what that person sees, and then sometimes
Speaker 2: you get hit in the head. Maravich would always they
Speaker 2: just never knew where it was coming from. But you know,
Speaker 2: if Pete threw it to you, chances are you might
Speaker 2: not see it and get hit in the head. And
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark, you know, to be a team player. You know,
Speaker 2: you have to be selfish to be that good a
Speaker 2: score you just do every single night. You have to
Speaker 2: shoot at least twenty two times. You have to get
Speaker 2: those shots. But she also found time to be you know,
Speaker 2: somebody had a thousand assists in her career. But I
Speaker 2: do wonder where we go after this with the sport,
Speaker 2: whether it's college or whether it's the WNBA. What else
Speaker 2: do you have seton?
Speaker 3: We can shift over to the combine if you want.
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy should get credit for going to the combine
Speaker 3: or had to go to the combine.
Speaker 2: Okay, you don't get credit for going to the combine.
Speaker 2: Some people do well. You can get credit for working
Speaker 2: out at the combine, I guess, but it felt like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't mean like just being in Oh okay, sorry,
Speaker 3: I'll change it to working out at the combine.
Speaker 2: Hey, JJ mcon is just sitting in the stands. I
Speaker 2: didn't mean it like that. You got to give him credit.
Speaker 2: I talked to a source over the weekend who was
Speaker 2: at the combine, and I said, just just help me
Speaker 2: out with JJ McCarthy because it just feels like now,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we're being inundated with oh my god,
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy's moving up the draft board and maybe he is,
Speaker 2: and maybe he'll be a top ten pick. Still feels
Speaker 2: like it's either the Vikings or the Broncos who were
Speaker 2: going to take him. But that's just obviously speculation with
Speaker 2: mock drafts. But I'm watching and I'm going, okay, and
Speaker 2: then I hear this way he's a dual threat. No,
Speaker 2: he's not. If I looked at his total yards for
Speaker 2: his career at Michigan, Jade and Daniels rushed for more
Speaker 2: yards this year at LSU than JJ McCarthy did in
Speaker 2: his entire career.
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Speaker 6: Was funny to watch the coverage NFL Networks coverage this week.
Speaker 6: Go and JJ McCarthy got out there, the unveiled the measurables,
Speaker 6: and Peter Schreker's like.
Speaker 2: You know, he's taller than what we thought.
Speaker 6: He goes, he is taller than what we thought, and
Speaker 6: they all go you know what, he was listed at
Speaker 6: two hundred and seven pounds on the roster this year.
Speaker 6: He weighed in a two twenty one. That's great sign.
Speaker 6: They were like oohing and eyeing about it. But I
Speaker 6: think he suffers from almost like a babyface syndrome. He
Speaker 6: looks very, very young.
Speaker 2: He could be Zach Wilson's younger brother. That's exactly where
Speaker 2: I was going.
Speaker 6: I think he's gonna have some of that Zach Wilson
Speaker 6: looks the stark you know, the WB star quarterback part.
Speaker 6: But you know he's bigger and stronger than what we thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get it, but then you know, Sean
Speaker 2: Payton may see something like, oh wow, this this translates.
Speaker 2: Or if the Vikings lose Kirk Cousins, then maybe they
Speaker 2: take JJ McCarthy and maybe he's going to be a
Speaker 2: great quarterback.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean the draft is littered with man I thought
Speaker 2: that guy was gonna be really good too. Nobody saw that.
Speaker 6: Yes, don't forget, it's hand sized Tuesday, almost all the
Speaker 6: numbers are in on quarterback plan accordingly, Oh no, take
Speaker 6: the day off if you have to.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so there's already some numbers trickling in
Speaker 2: on hand size.
Speaker 6: I've got all the hand sizes already, but I'd like
Speaker 6: to confirm with second sources.
Speaker 2: Were journalists? Okay, of course, we don't want to smirch
Speaker 2: anyone's hands. No, no, sorry, Marvin, it's too early for all.
Speaker 2: This take the day after my mark. Yeah, see you
Speaker 2: guys Wednesday? Yeah, oh, were you waving goodbye? I didn't
Speaker 2: see her hand there? See you see you?
Speaker 6: No breeze from it either.
Speaker 2: Alrighty, so we'll come up with the pole question here.
Speaker 2: Lebron hits forty thousand points, okay, like it's it's interesting
Speaker 2: with you know, he's just adding to his total, whereas
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark actually surpassed a number, and that's kind of
Speaker 2: the difference, can't I mean, do you celebrate forty thousand
Speaker 2: just because it's a round number. We'd love to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he got forty thousand, Okay, if he got to thirty
Speaker 2: nine nine nine nine, noe can't celebrate forty thousand. But
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark surpasses Pete Maravich. Therefore we do have an accomplishment,
Speaker 2: like she surpassed somebody. I love that. Lynette Woodard was
Speaker 2: honored there as well. I thought that was wonderful. I'm
Speaker 2: glad that people have reckonized and realized, you know, some
Speaker 2: of the other players before Caitlin Clark, and I think
Speaker 2: that's what's been great about this. There are probably people
Speaker 2: who were forty years or younger had no idea about
Speaker 2: Pete Marrivitch like he was, you know, the mythological where
Speaker 2: you go, yeah, I heard about this marriage guy. He
Speaker 2: averaged forty four game Cowey and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you see the highlights and you go And I talked
Speaker 2: to a friend of mine who covers the NBA, and
Speaker 2: we were talking about marriviage. We're around the same age,
Speaker 2: and he agrees with me. We were talking about how
Speaker 2: Pete scored so much that he got bored by it
Speaker 2: because there was nothing he could do. Where you go, oh,
Speaker 2: Pete had fifty two, and be like, yeah, I remember
Speaker 2: when Pete had sixty eight against the Knicks and without
Speaker 2: a three point shot, and he did it in a
Speaker 2: way that I mean, he should have had eighty and
Speaker 2: there was no three point shot. Yes, Mark, Wait, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm a little deaf in this. I thought you said
Speaker 2: sixty eight. He had sixty eight against the Knicks with
Speaker 2: no three point line? Yeah? Was that a Wal Fraser?
Speaker 2: Probably Walt Fraser, Dean Meminger, and I think there was
Speaker 2: a guy named Henry Bacon maybe at a Louisville. I
Speaker 2: think those were the three guys who guarded him. But
Speaker 2: I think he had sixty eight against the Knicks, and
Speaker 2: if you watch the game, you're going, oh my god,
Speaker 2: like he missed some easy shots. He should have had eighty.
Speaker 6: Yeah, PAULI, yeah, Maravich in that game, I got the
Speaker 6: box score twenty six to forty three, from the field
Speaker 6: sixty to ninth when the free throw line sixty eight points.
Speaker 2: Six assists.
Speaker 6: He faced Bob mcadow, Earl Monroe, Tom McMillan, Walt Fraser,
Speaker 6: and Bill Bradley and Phil Jackson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, amongst the people they faced. Yeah, he's sixty eight
Speaker 2: and leave it to me. When Walt Fraser went into
Speaker 2: the Basketball Hall of Fame, I talked to Walt Fraser
Speaker 2: and one of the things I said, you know, because
Speaker 2: he was a great defensive player, and I said, how
Speaker 2: could you give up sixty eight to Maravich? He goes,
Speaker 2: I didn't guard him the whole time, like it's his weekend.
Speaker 2: And I'm ruining it because I'm bringing up how could
Speaker 2: you let him score sixty eight on you guys? You
Speaker 2: guys played great defense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Paul, just to work in on Michael, Jordan mentioned
Speaker 6: Michael's best game ever scoring with sixty nine points. He
Speaker 6: had two three pointers in that game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, only two?
Speaker 4: Yeah. Uh.
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Speaker 2: Before we get to Jay Billis, this in from NFL
Speaker 2: Network Mike Evans fifty two million dollars over two years
Speaker 2: to stay with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That's great. If
Speaker 2: I'm Baker Mayfield, that certainly would help me with my decision.
Speaker 2: If you get an offer that's comparable with another team.
Speaker 2: Atlanta is a team to keep an eye on. Also
Speaker 2: the Patriots for Baker Mayfield. This is just chatter out
Speaker 2: of the combine. It could be motivated by, you know,
Speaker 2: Baker's representatives of hey, if the Bucks aren't going to pay,
Speaker 2: there's other teams that could be interested. All right, let's
Speaker 2: get to Jay Billis. He has been college basketball analyst
Speaker 2: and the recipient of the Kirk Gowney Award from the
Speaker 2: Basketball Hall of Fame. What was that day like in
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen when you got that?
Speaker 4: It was awesome. You don't often hear my name associated
Speaker 4: with any sort of hall or fame. So it was fantastic. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was wonderful.
Speaker 2: Oh good, Speaking of great, what's more impressive to you,
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark what she did in her career or Lebron
Speaker 2: getting to forty thousand points?
Speaker 4: Wow? I don't that's a difficult comparison. They're both amazing,
Speaker 4: And that kind of brings up an interesting point is
Speaker 4: almost our need to go away from celebrating the accomplishment
Speaker 4: and then, you know, try to put it in a
Speaker 4: different context. Like when Tiger Woods went to the Masters.
Speaker 4: We don't say who's better Tiger Jack, you know, when
Speaker 4: he's getting the green jacket put on him. But we
Speaker 4: seem to do that for some reason. Now I don't
Speaker 4: know what the greater accomplishment was. All I know, dan
Speaker 4: is Caitlyn Clark is a super nova the likes of
Speaker 4: which we've never seen in certainly in women's basketball and
Speaker 4: arguably in college basketball period. And it has been amazing
Speaker 4: to see her fill all these arenas and to play
Speaker 4: the way she plays, to play with that kind of joy,
Speaker 4: which I think is an additive to just her scoring.
Speaker 4: And then one thing that gets overlooked a little bit,
Speaker 4: maybe not by some of the basketball experts that cover games.
Speaker 4: But she's an extraordinary passer. There's no other scorer that
Speaker 4: I know of on that list of the greatest scorers
Speaker 4: in women's basketball and even men's that is as high
Speaker 4: up on the assist level as she is. I mean,
Speaker 4: she's a magnificent passer in addition to being ann believable score.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wonder if it translates to the WNBA, like,
Speaker 2: is this a moment or is this a movement where
Speaker 2: maybe the WNBA starts to get more recognition. And that's
Speaker 2: not fair to say to her, Hey, you got to
Speaker 2: be the person who's going to lift up the WNBA
Speaker 2: after you did this for college basketball. But I wonder,
Speaker 2: how does the WNBA benefit from this aside from you know,
Speaker 2: Caitlin playing in Indiana.
Speaker 4: I think the WNBA will benefit from having all those
Speaker 4: eyeballs going toward her and then the eyeballs catching how
Speaker 4: much great play there is aside from her. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's a spotlight that'll illuminate a lot more than just her.
Speaker 4: So there's nothing but plus is there. You know, we
Speaker 4: had an interesting conversation about Kaitlin Clark a few weeks
Speaker 4: ago on college game day where there was the point made,
Speaker 4: can you really call her great? She hasn't won a
Speaker 4: championship yet, even though even though I was in the
Speaker 4: championship game last year against LSU, and it sort of
Speaker 4: brought up the idea of it is a fair discussion
Speaker 4: who's the greatest women's player of all time, just like
Speaker 4: it is who's the greatest Like Maravich was the all
Speaker 4: time leading scorer, but I wouldn't say he was the
Speaker 4: greatest player ever in men's college basketball. So those are
Speaker 4: good discussions, but we don't, you know, it's like the
Speaker 4: nuance gets lost in the accomplishment, Like her accomplishment is fact,
Speaker 4: Like there's no debate she's the greatest scorer in Division
Speaker 4: I history. Now there is a discussion about, you know,
Speaker 4: whether these records. You know, there's a woman named Pearl
Speaker 4: Moore who scored over four thousand points before the NCAA
Speaker 4: was started for women's basketball. You know, she played at
Speaker 4: Francis Mary in South Carolina, played for Sylvia Hatchell, who
Speaker 4: later became the head coach at North Carolina. And why
Speaker 4: doesn't the NCUBA, you know, recognize those records recognized Lynette
Speaker 4: woodards records. Let Order played in Kansas. You know, it's
Speaker 4: not like she played it's some tiny little college that
Speaker 4: didn't play against anybody. So those are those are other
Speaker 4: sort of nuanced discussions that we seem incapable of having
Speaker 4: while the record was just broken.
Speaker 2: Okay, so how do you quantify her career? Jay Williams,
Speaker 2: you know, your teammate on college game day, He's the
Speaker 2: one that said, can't call it grade. She had and
Speaker 2: won titles.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and I differed with it at the time.
Speaker 4: I think great and great st are two different discussions,
Speaker 4: and I think it is a fair discussion to say,
Speaker 4: was was Diana Trossi the better player? Or was Cheryl
Speaker 4: Miller the better player? We can have those discussions, but
Speaker 4: nothing gets accomplished there because those are fun barroom discussions,
Speaker 4: just like you know, we can sit and talk about
Speaker 4: the greatest golfer and we're going to argue over Tiger
Speaker 4: Woods and Jack Nicholas, Jack Nicholas, and somebody's going to say, hey,
Speaker 4: eighteen versus fifteen. End of discussion. And it's a little
Speaker 4: more nuanced than that too. But at the end of
Speaker 4: that discussion, what's really accomplished, Because you know, Pete Marrovich,
Speaker 4: you could say, well, wait a minute, Pete Maravich only
Speaker 4: played three years, he didn't have a three point shot,
Speaker 4: he did play in a segregated SEC where there were
Speaker 4: only white guys playing. But at the same time, he
Speaker 4: averaged forty four points a game for his career. So
Speaker 4: when we argue about greatest scorer, you know that's a
Speaker 4: nuanced part of the discussion. But you know, you ultimately
Speaker 4: circle back to one thing there's no discussion about. Is
Speaker 4: Caitlin clark by what has scored more points than anyone
Speaker 4: that has played Division one college basketball. That's a fact.
Speaker 2: I love that we're even getting into these kind of
Speaker 2: conversations because you know, when Kelsey Plumb was doing what
Speaker 2: she was doing, we weren't saying, yeah, well, but she's
Speaker 2: not Pete Marrivich. Now when you have a nickname of
Speaker 2: you know, ponytail Pete or you know what her nickname
Speaker 2: was in high school. Now she surpasses him on the
Speaker 2: all time scoring record. But I can look at Brianna
Speaker 2: Stewart as the greatest women's college basketball player of all time,
Speaker 2: like four years, four titles and MVP and those four
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't do any better than that, That's.
Speaker 4: Right, and you know, you could bring up Luel Sinder
Speaker 4: Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and it does not when we're discussing
Speaker 4: the best player, the best player ever in the NBA.
Speaker 4: For some reason, he's not brought up as early as
Speaker 4: as a person like me thinks he should be. But again,
Speaker 4: those are just subjective barroom discussions that are our media discussions.
Speaker 4: That are great, they're fun. But Caitlin Clark's presence and
Speaker 4: what she has done to elevate the game. To your
Speaker 4: point about Kelsey Plump, we didn't pay as much attention
Speaker 4: to Kelsey Plumb's records and we're paying more attention now
Speaker 4: because of how she and others. It's not just her,
Speaker 4: but she's been the lead dog in this has elevated,
Speaker 4: elevated the college game.
Speaker 2: He's Jay Bill, a ESPN college basketball analyst and a
Speaker 2: nominee for the Get Off My Lawn Guy. After the
Speaker 2: storm the court storming, I took abuse.
Speaker 4: I prefer old man yelling at clouds.
Speaker 2: Frank, Okay, you you took a couple of slings and
Speaker 2: arrows there, but you you know you held your own
Speaker 2: a little bit. Did it hurt?
Speaker 4: No? Because it's another thing where nuance gets lost, like
Speaker 4: the whole discussion was dancing double A or the the
Speaker 4: institutions are the conferences. They're not going to do anything
Speaker 4: about this anyway, and and they say they can't, you know,
Speaker 4: experts tell them that they can't stop it because it
Speaker 4: would cause more problems. They could stop it tomorrow if
Speaker 4: they wanted, and obviously detaining people and giving them citations
Speaker 4: like you would on the side of a road give
Speaker 4: somebody a ticket is more to the extreme side. I mean,
Speaker 4: they could hire way more security, but that's going to
Speaker 4: cost them way more money. And you could, certainly you
Speaker 4: could stop it tomorrow you wanted to. They don't want to,
Speaker 4: and that's okay. And I'm not trying to talk anybody
Speaker 4: out of loving it. I mean, there have been times
Speaker 4: in my career, Dan where I thought I thought it
Speaker 4: was fine, But then you see when I was in
Speaker 4: NC State when they had a court storming and there
Speaker 4: was people that got hurt, and you're just asking yourself,
Speaker 4: what is it worth it? And for some people like fans,
Speaker 4: seem to think they're entitled to it. But I raised
Speaker 4: a point on a show called Pardon My Take about Kansas.
Speaker 4: You know, I said they were talking about passion if
Speaker 4: I remember, right, like it shows the passion of the fans,
Speaker 4: the court storming, and like it's after the game's over.
Speaker 4: It's great, it's a great celebration, but the passion has
Speaker 4: shown in my view during the game. And there's no
Speaker 4: better place than Kansas, and they don't have any court
Speaker 4: stormings and it shows. And I think the response was, well,
Speaker 4: they don't storm the court because they win all the time.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's not the point I was making. But
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes nuance gets lost. That's okay, that's that's
Speaker 4: what we do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand it. And I was there at the Mothership.
Speaker 2: We glamorized this championship week. Everybody wanted to be on TV.
Speaker 2: Now you got kids who want to be, you know,
Speaker 2: on TikTok while they go on the court. You know, hey,
Speaker 2: what could go wrong here? So I just said, if
Speaker 2: you can get the police surround the team, let the
Speaker 2: teams know, hey, this is going to happen at the
Speaker 2: end of the game. You'll get police to get the
Speaker 2: basketball team off the floor. I mean, you have to
Speaker 2: ensure the safety of that opposing basketball team. That's imperative,
Speaker 2: the students that's going to be on the university right.
Speaker 4: No, I agree with all of that, but just when
Speaker 4: you start talking about, okay, now we have to have
Speaker 4: a police presence to protect the players because we're accepting
Speaker 4: that this is going to happen, and we have rules
Speaker 4: in place at these conferences that it shouldn't happen, so
Speaker 4: it's prohibited, but there's a nod and a wink that
Speaker 4: we're going to allow it and just protect the players.
Speaker 4: And look, I get all of it. Everybody wants to
Speaker 4: show that they're passionate. Part of this is for recruiting,
Speaker 4: part of it's for marketing. And look, I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that we're evil because we show it, but we can't
Speaker 4: like sit here and rail this is wrong. This is
Speaker 4: wrong when we do it. You know, we're part of it.
Speaker 4: That way, it doesn't mean that it's this horrible thing
Speaker 4: that everybody needs to be called on the carpet, but
Speaker 4: you know, we need to acknowledge that we're you know,
Speaker 4: we we glorify it or certainly use it to our benefit.
Speaker 2: How much of a concern is it for you that
Speaker 2: the regular season men's regular season kind of lacks those
Speaker 2: big games, big moments, you know, March madness stands alone.
Speaker 2: We don't even know the players, but we still watch
Speaker 2: because you're able to do your brackets. You know, the
Speaker 2: casual fan is not aware. What can college basketball do,
Speaker 2: in your opinion, to make these regular season games maybe
Speaker 2: more must see TV.
Speaker 4: Well, for a significant segment of the viewer's population, it
Speaker 4: is must TV. The ratings prove it, like it's not
Speaker 4: like our ratings are going down. That's not happening. And
Speaker 4: I don't I get it. Like we've become a football culture,
Speaker 4: and so at all these different media companies, yours included,
Speaker 4: you cover football more than anything else, and you cover
Speaker 4: basketball more when we get toward the NCAA tournament. And
Speaker 4: that's fine. Like my phone is a great example of it.
Speaker 4: Like my phone rings off the hook for interviews from
Speaker 4: now until April. In the middle of April. It doesn't
Speaker 4: ring as much during the regular season. They used to
Speaker 4: ring a lot more. That's because football is dominating that space.
Speaker 4: And it's dominating that space at my company, I think
Speaker 4: it is at yours. You look everywhere. That's that's just
Speaker 4: the way it is. That's more popular. Like we're into
Speaker 4: analytics too, and we know we know what people watch
Speaker 4: more than than other things. We I think at ESPN,
Speaker 4: I think this is right. We have more college basketball
Speaker 4: games on the air than anything else, way more than
Speaker 4: NFL games. I mean it's not even close. But we
Speaker 4: cover the NFL at a much higher rate, including during
Speaker 4: the off season, at a much higher rate than anything else.
Speaker 4: And that's that's business. So I'm not I'm not concerned
Speaker 4: about it at all. It's it's it's fine with me.
Speaker 4: You just have to deal with it. But but you know, coverage,
Speaker 4: how do you get coveraged. The most I'm ever called
Speaker 4: is when somebody in college basketball during the regular season
Speaker 4: does something stupid. There's that court storming thing. It has
Speaker 4: very little to do with the play on the floor,
Speaker 4: or the players or the coaches. It's really about controversy.
Speaker 4: But that's the way the media business has gone. And
Speaker 4: I'm fine with that. It's just the way it is.
Speaker 2: But you have to admit, I mean, there's no star
Speaker 2: power in men's basketball like cross maybe star power like
Speaker 2: where you go. I mean Zach Edie, all right, you
Speaker 2: can tune in, I mean Zion four years ago, but
Speaker 2: I mean he's he's the exception here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's kind of the point. And but Caitlin
Speaker 4: Clark is the exception in the women's game. But that
Speaker 4: the point is, what do you do. You have to
Speaker 4: have something like that in order to make to move
Speaker 4: football out, But that small amount of time you get
Speaker 4: to talk about it, So I get that. I'm not
Speaker 4: concerned about it. It's not like it's not like the
Speaker 4: NBA is squeezing out football either, because it's not. And
Speaker 4: and there are stars in baseball that's not squeezed out football.
Speaker 4: You know, We've got something in football that is that
Speaker 4: has sort of dominated our culture. And and I have
Speaker 4: no problem with it. I'm not sitting here going, hey,
Speaker 4: talk more about basketball. You know. I talk about it
Speaker 4: when it's time to talk about it. People don't want
Speaker 4: to if they'd rather talk about football. What am I
Speaker 4: going to do. I'm not going to stop anybody.
Speaker 2: Best team right now is who you can't they're.
Speaker 4: They're the best team. And it's kind of amazing gan
Speaker 4: that they had. They had all those losses from last
Speaker 4: year's national championship team, and relative to the field in
Speaker 4: the last month or two, they're better against the field
Speaker 4: this year than they were against the field last year.
Speaker 4: People tend to forget that last year, they were the
Speaker 4: best team in the first month, month and a half
Speaker 4: of the season. They rose to number two, but they
Speaker 4: were the best team I think. I think most of
Speaker 4: us recognized that and said so. And then they went
Speaker 4: through a lull where they lost six of eight and
Speaker 4: Big East play and lost in the semifinals of their
Speaker 4: conference tournament to Marquette. But when the tournament started there
Speaker 4: was no question. This year they're the recognized favorite, but
Speaker 4: they have competition. But because of the transfer portal, talent
Speaker 4: is more spread out. So we've seen a little more
Speaker 4: what people like to call parody in the game. And
Speaker 4: now we're saying it's going to be a wild tournament.
Speaker 4: Every time we say it's going to be a wild tournament,
Speaker 4: it's not as wild as we think. And every time
Speaker 4: we think we haven't knocked, then it's wild. So I
Speaker 4: have no idea what's going to happen, and that's kind
Speaker 4: of delicious.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll be calling you over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: Jay, Well, you have a direct line, and you know,
Speaker 4: I really do want to thank you for having me
Speaker 4: as the Mercedes interview because and I appreciate you sending
Speaker 4: me the new Mercedes. Thank you. That's going to be great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, keep an eye out. It's going to be in
Speaker 2: the mail package. Not as big as you might expect, just.
Speaker 4: A little match box.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I didn't say, you know, if it was
Speaker 2: regular size or not. You'll get your Mercedes. But thank you, Jay,
Speaker 2: always a pleasure.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: NFL free agency starts next week. And in case you
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Speaker 2: going to stay in Tampa two year deal a little
Speaker 2: more than fifty two million dollars. And we'll talk to
Speaker 2: Mike Fleurio from Pro Football Talk. Because I we're headed
Speaker 2: to an eighteen game schedule. I don't think too many
Speaker 2: people will object to that. The only people who might
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Speaker 2: I don't know what they do with a bye week,
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Speaker 2: to have this. I think this is a real thing
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Speaker 2: back into the game without having somebody have a forty
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Poey, I'm shocked. I'm glad you brought that up
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Speaker 6: going to both not have the run up on the
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Speaker 6: you go back to one of the great moments in
Speaker 6: Super Bowl history, Sean Payton with the surprise to on
Speaker 6: side kick. That element has gone of the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's a little bit of fallout from the
Speaker 2: combine as far as people are moving up. Maybe somebody
Speaker 2: who's moving down. The fact that JJ McCarthy went to
Speaker 2: the combine he was the only one throwing. What that
Speaker 2: does for his stock. It feels like there's there's enough momentum,
Speaker 2: uh that he's he's moving up. It just feels like
Speaker 2: there's something that's there with JJ McCarthy. I have to
Speaker 2: admit I don't see it. Think he's a nice quarterback,
Speaker 2: but like bo Nix is a dual threat. Bo Nix
Speaker 2: is somebody who can hurt you with his arm and
Speaker 2: his leg and his legs not one leg. But JJ
Speaker 2: McCarthy not really that kind of quarterback. But I think
Speaker 2: he's given credit for that. Michael Pennix with the medicals,
Speaker 2: I think that's the big hold up there. But you know,
Speaker 2: there's some offensive linemen, wide receivers. Those those are kind
Speaker 2: of the big stand downs here. A lot of depth
Speaker 2: there at those positions. Some phone calls here. Let's start
Speaker 2: with Noah in Iowa.
Speaker 7: Hi, Noah, Hi there, Hi.
Speaker 8: I'm calling to talk about the coming made about whether
Speaker 8: it's a movement or a moment.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 8: I was at my daughter's ten year old basketball tournament
Speaker 8: this weekend and there's a girl there from another school
Speaker 8: who was doing everything you see Caitlyn doing. She could
Speaker 8: drive between the legs better than most teenager ken. She
Speaker 8: was shooting threes, doing the step toear left and shoot
Speaker 8: that Caitlin does about the only difference is that this
Speaker 8: girl was left handed. So I don't think she was
Speaker 8: emulating Stephen Curry. I think she's emulating Caitlyn.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure she is. But I want to know
Speaker 2: is this a moment? Is it a movement? Going into
Speaker 2: the WNBA with what I said, I didn't say, is
Speaker 2: anybody emulating I said, we might not know the true
Speaker 2: impact of Caitlyn Clark for another ten years, where we
Speaker 2: see a wave of players who have grown up playing
Speaker 2: the style, maybe they're eight, nine, ten years old, and
Speaker 2: then when they get their moment, we're going to be
Speaker 2: going they were directly influenced by Caitlin Clark. Absolutely. I
Speaker 2: was wondering about what happens in the WNBA. Is that
Speaker 2: elevated Paul and Iowa Hi Paul.
Speaker 7: Hey Dan, Well, I just wanted to kind of comment
Speaker 7: on what Jay Billis is saying. He mentioned when was
Speaker 7: the last time Kansas stormed the court? Well, Kansas stormed
Speaker 7: the field just this football season, and wait a minute,
Speaker 7: so did Duke. But Jay Billis will never understand what
Speaker 7: makes storming special. It's about the upset. It's about they
Speaker 7: think they're better than us and we beat them. And
Speaker 7: as an elitist Dukie, Jay Billis will never understand that.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, we're talking about football. You're talking
Speaker 2: about Kansas football, not basketball. That's what Jay was talking about.
Speaker 2: And as far as Duke, we've mentioned Duke stormed the
Speaker 2: field when they beat Clemson. Absolutely. I don't know if
Speaker 2: Jay is disavowing any knowledge of that, but yeah, we're
Speaker 2: talking about two different things. Here, Wess in Alabama, Let's
Speaker 2: see whe can squeeze in here?
Speaker 9: Wes e foot to fifty. Dan, I've heard about you
Speaker 9: guys are talking about this course storming issue all week long,
Speaker 9: and I think you're going about it the wrong way.
Speaker 9: I don't think you can just put as many security
Speaker 9: guards and cops out there as you can, because there's
Speaker 9: gonna be one guy that's going to get out there.
Speaker 9: It's going to rag doll some eighteen year old girl,
Speaker 9: and it's gonna look fast at the news. What you
Speaker 9: got to do is you're gonna make it a like
Speaker 9: a repercussion kind of deal. So everybody knows. Every arena
Speaker 9: in the nation's got a thousand cameras. You can go
Speaker 9: to those footage after the game is over, see who
Speaker 9: storm the court. And what you do is you utilize
Speaker 9: the students because the students are the ones that are
Speaker 9: leading the charge down to the court.
Speaker 2: We're running out of time. I still believe if you
Speaker 2: hire six to eight police officers, get the basketball team,
Speaker 2: the oposing basketball team off the court. If you want
Speaker 2: to have students rush the court and they rush at
Speaker 2: their peril, then it's going to be on the university.
Speaker 2: But it's imperative that you get the opposing team off
Speaker 2: the basketball floor.