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Speaker 1: actual first one was a Christian boy band. Called for him,

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00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: for him, Yes, I love that and I'm for him.

425
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: But um but yeah, so then that did not happen.

426
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: I did not write for Beyonce and uh, and I

427
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: would love to that is of course, like on the

428
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: bucket list. And I truly feel like anything is possible,

429
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: especially with the things that I've somehow been able to

430
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: find my way into. Um, I truly feel like anything,

431
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: anything is possible. But um no, I had to hustle

432
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: in l A. I worked a million jobs. I mean,

433
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: I would say I was in l A for probably

434
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: five years before I made a dime from songwriting. Wow, yeah,

435
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: what did you do? I catered? I catered. Uh, I

436
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: catered the Golden Globe after party at the hotel. At

437
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: the hotel, what a fucking amazing, full circle thing. I'm

438
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: sorry that just like, did you go over to the

439
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: caters of the party and say, you guys are all revelation?

440
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I did. Actually I catered. I catered

441
00:23:53,600 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian's wedding to Chris Humphrey. Well, I am on

442
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: the E special. What did it feel? Weird? Of course,

443
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: they didn't tell us what we were going to, but

444
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: I figured ou out. I googled it in the bus

445
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: on the way there. I knew where we were going,

446
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: I knew the day was happening. Um and that was

447
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: crazy and uh and I had the best time. Actually,

448
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: I felt like a guest there were so many servers

449
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: there was I didn't but and I actually had. Um,

450
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: I had the Jenner table. Oh my god, yeah, I

451
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: had the Jenner table. There was a moment where, um,

452
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: where Kathy Hilton and I are holding a chair as

453
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: christ Janry standing on it dancing. Everyone was It was

454
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: such a lovely experience, like it really was. Earthwen and

455
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: Fire was the wedding band. I mean, come on, Robin

456
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: Thicke was played the first dance it was. I had

457
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: a great time. That sounds amazing. Yeah, yeah, Um. I

458
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: catered the v m as and my friends were not andated.

459
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: I gave champagne to Lady Gaga, like I, yeah, You've

460
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: had some amazing moments, both catering and as a guest. Yes, yeah, yeah.

461
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: And I made a lot of actually made a lot

462
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: of my friends through catering because it's all like it's

463
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: all actors or comedians or whoever. And uh, we had

464
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: a really good time, and so I catered. I taught

465
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: songwriting into college for three years. Um. I was an

466
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: assistant to the director of pinny X. I wrote some

467
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: of the jingles songs in the background of pinan X,

468
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: I like I'm I'm exhausted I have done and now

469
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: that's just like three of the thirty jobs that I

470
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: did during that time. Um, and then finally like but

471
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: and I always thought too. I was like, it's going

472
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: to work out. It's going to work out, even if

473
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: it's like two or three, four or five, six, seven years,

474
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: And thankfully it did. Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, that's

475
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 1: that's fucking how it goes. And everyone that I always UM,

476
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: some people will ask, like, I want to move to

477
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: New York, but I don't know how. I'm like, literally,

478
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: no one knows. No one knows how to move to

479
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: New York. Like you just you have to work jobs

480
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: that you may not like, and you have to grind

481
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: and do one thing every day that reminds you while

482
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: you're there. Absolutely, that was my That was my rule

483
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: for myself. Sounds like every single day, no matter if

484
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: I was busy doing something else, I'm going to do

485
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: see feel like, just one thing every day that reminds

486
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: you of what you're there to do. Exacts you simply

487
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: make it work. When we made Troy's first album, I

488
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: had a full time job and they didn't know that.

489
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: I didn't really tell anyone neighborhood yeah. I didn't tell anyone.

490
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh yeah, the sessions at one

491
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: pm on Wednesday. I will be there. I'll figure it out.

492
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I would whenever I would book something,

493
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: I booked a recurring thing. Uh this is a year ago.

494
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: By the way, John Klazer loves Gear. You can watch

495
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: it now on True TV. But I was I had

496
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: to ask for work off. I was like, well and

497
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: like that was like a huge battle and like they

498
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: were very very generous and like with my time. But

499
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: it was like this thing where it was like I was,

500
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: I had a nine to five of until like six

501
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: months ago, where it's just you go and like you

502
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: you might not like this version of your life yet,

503
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: but like you invest in stee have completely. So then

504
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: what was your form of like doing Maybe it wasn't

505
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: one thing a date, but like what were your little

506
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: pockets of time that you could steal, Like like what

507
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: would you be doing? Like it was still just treating

508
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: myself like I was a working songwriter, you know. Um,

509
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: I would write songs at night, write songs on the weekends,

510
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: and I was setting up sessions and running my calendar

511
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: like I was a working writer and I would take

512
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: meetings with my publisher because I was still published at

513
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: the time. Um, and you know, there were moments where

514
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: I could tell they were frustrated because I didn't have

515
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: a lot of availability, but they also understood that I

516
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: was doing what I needed to do and I think

517
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: they respected that. Um. Yeah, So I would just write songs,

518
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: and thankfully one of those sessions we would get paid

519
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: also to I mean, I was like, I need a

520
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: hundred bucks, two hundred bucks, whatever, and we would get

521
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: paid to write songs with young artists who wanted to

522
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: come or whose parents whose parents would send them to

523
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: l A to like write song for a weekend or whatever. So, um,

524
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: one of my friend Gino called and he said, Hey,

525
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: there is this girl who's here for the weekend. I

526
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: used to teach your voice in Pittsburgh. Do you want

527
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: to come and write a song with us? And I

528
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: was like absolutely and went and we wrote a song

529
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: and about realistic, like forty five minutes. I was like,

530
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: so nice to me and everyone. I have to go

531
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: back to work, love you guys. And that song ended

532
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: up being Hideaway by Daia. Oh my god. Uh and

533
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: it was and that was that I love that I

534
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: love her and I love that song. I love her.

535
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: She is a gem. She is so talented. I love

536
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: I can't say enough good things about her. She knows

537
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: I love her and uh and so that ended up

538
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: being that song and yeah, the break and shortly after that,

539
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: I think, within like a few weeks of Hideaway coming

540
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: out or Hideaway doing well on radio, youth came out

541
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: and started doing well. And so I was teaching. It

542
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: was so special and so I was teaching at the

543
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: college at the time. So I was teaching a voice

544
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: lesson uh and and had like two songs on the

545
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: radio at the time, and I was like, okay, yeah,

546
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: that's why. Let's there's I see a light at the

547
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: end of the time. How did you meet Troy. I'm

548
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: at Troy through one of my dear friends, Tyler Oakley.

549
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: Ty the potential I will make. I promise I will

550
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: make that. We both had such positive interactions with him

551
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: on Twitter for our respective antics, so I would love Yes,

552
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: Tyler is. Tyler is like I mean, people through this tournament,

553
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: but he's like a true connector. He connects people in

554
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: this way. I had no idea so great. So he

555
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: just like he was like, Tyler is one of my

556
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: best friends for five or six years. He's one of

557
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: the first people I met when I moved to l A.

558
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: And when he moved to l A. And um, and

559
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: so I remember he said, my best friend Troy is

560
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: about to be in l A. He is a new artist.

561
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: You to write with him. And he told Troy the

562
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: st he like, my friend Brett is a songwriter or

563
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: Leland as a songwriter. You need to me. So Tyler.

564
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: I was playing shows in l A at the time,

565
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: and Tyler brought Troy and we snuck Troy in because

566
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: he was under age and uh, and I think he

567
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: was like also seventeen. And so my friend Ali, who

568
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: ran the club, uh, looked at Troy and she was like,

569
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: don't you pick up any alcohol because she didn't want

570
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: to get fired, you know, and uh. And so yeah,

571
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: it was Tyler that really connected us and we wrote

572
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: a few days later for the first time. So anytime

573
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: something special happens, like with whether Troy and I are

574
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: a part of something, I always still like think Tyler

575
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: because he connected those doughts and made that happen. So

576
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: when you guys are working together in the studio and

577
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: you guys are wherever you guys are writing, so, um,

578
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: is there one of you guys? Does he come with

579
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: like a general idea of what he wants to say?

580
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: Like does he come with lyrics? Like how does that work?

581
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's different every single time, as I'm sure,

582
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: like collaborating with people varies and how idea starts. Um.

583
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: But sometimes yeah, he'll have he he will have the title,

584
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: he'll have a story or nothing and we just talk. Uh,

585
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: and we just talked about what's going on in his

586
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: life or my life or another co writer who's in

587
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: the room, or a story that we heard. But generally,

588
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say everything every single song that's

589
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: ended up on an album has been authentic to him

590
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: about something going on in his life, and so it will.

591
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: It can also start with one of us sitting down

592
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: at the piano and starting a melody maybe that inspires something. Um.

593
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: We both have I have lists of titles or words

594
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: in my phone, um, and so does he, or lyrics

595
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: or poetry that we look through and um. But then

596
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: also sometimes it's like it's also not that deep, like

597
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: sometimes it is and then sometimes it's not. Yeah, I know,

598
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: I mean from I can it's it's very interesting like

599
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: I do not music in the way that you do it,

600
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: but like music in the way that I do it

601
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: for like comedy purposes. But it's so interesting, Like sometimes

602
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: the stuff that you really will work was written in

603
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes exact, and then you can labor over something forever.

604
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with sketches or comedic ideas.

605
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: It's like the stuff that you labor over often like

606
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: will just never be with these things that fly out

607
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: of you. And then I sometimes I'll forget even why

608
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: I thought of it, you know what I mean? Like, So,

609
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: how much of Bloomer you want? Is that I did?

610
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: I did eight out of ten songs, CO wrote with

611
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: him eight out of ten songs, and then we worked

612
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: with like Max Martin's team on some of that. It

613
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: was insane. That is insane. Neither of us take that

614
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: for granted. Yeah, we had written quite a few songs

615
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: for bloom and then uh, and then we took a

616
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: very quick four day trip to Stockholm, and two he

617
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: was not there, but his team he has producers that

618
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: are amazing, Oscar Gore. They're all Oscar different uh and

619
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: so yes, the Oscars, they're called the Wolf Cousins. Is

620
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: the term, like the collective. And so we were there

621
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: for four days and there's not there's a little of

622
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: this pressure being like, Okay, we hopefully we'll leave with singles,

623
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: but also we just want to write great songs and

624
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: if we don't, it's okay, like as long as we

625
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: leave with a good song. So Stockholm was where you

626
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: go to kind of get that and udering that trip.

627
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: The first day of writing I think it was the

628
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: first day we wrote My My mid and we had

629
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: that feeling and we actually celebrated by drinking champagne and

630
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: eating oysters. Yea, I love knowing that Troy loves an oyster.

631
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: That's phenomenal. Okay, so my my my, you're right, and

632
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, okay, this is It just felt

633
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: special and it felt different, and it just felt very

634
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: him and that's the most important thing always and uh.

635
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: And then the next day we wrote Bloom Wow and uh.

636
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: And we wrote it with Peter Spenson from the card

637
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: Against Oh Yes, I love the card again. Oh my

638
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: gosh that working with him, Yes, I bowed down. It

639
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: was so special. But Peter and Oscar Holter, who produced

640
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: Runaway with Me, who produced Bloom, they were really focused

641
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: on melody and production, and Troy and I were working

642
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: on the lyrics, and so they really didn't know what

643
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: we were writing about. And so we were giggling in

644
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: the back of the room like what we were writing about,

645
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: and we thought, like, the song will never see the

646
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: lot of days. Let's just have fun with it, and

647
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: it's such important. It's such an important I mean, you

648
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: know what, it's a fun song. You know. We had

649
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: this guy, Scott Thompson on this podcast and he is

650
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: like an iconic gay sketch comedian, like back from the

651
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: Kids in the Hall years ago, and we were talking

652
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 1: to him about how you know, he had this theory

653
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: where he was like, gay men can be stars, can't

654
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: be stars, gay men habit have everything stacked against them

655
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: in terms of these things. And it's because of sodomy.

656
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: It's because no one wants to acknowledge the way that

657
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: we have sex is disgusted. And that's because from where

658
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: he from, when he came from, that was a time

659
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: when there was no male male representation really any media,

660
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: and there was kind of an ick factor around the

661
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: way that we have sex. So then so then we

662
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: both tell him about bloom and he starts to get

663
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: really fucking. It was emotional because that's you have to understand, Like, yeah,

664
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: and that's why I say it's important. It's because, like,

665
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, somebody, I was at a comedy show the

666
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: other night and they referred to anal sex as a kink,

667
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: and so I got up after him and I was

668
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: like just singing, I said it light harder, but I

669
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: was like, anal sex is not a kink. That's actually

670
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: how we make love. And I was like, hi, and

671
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: you have something up your asshole that is, But baby,

672
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: I was lighthearted about it. But the thing is, like,

673
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, that song is the first time that you

674
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: that we hear really gay man singing about having sex

675
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: the way that everyone else has been able to. And

676
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: so that really is like a moment. And the fact

677
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: that that's like a mainstream hit song, that's fuck you

678
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: wed part that you created it. You created it. We

679
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: explained me, like, this is it's a pop song that's

680
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: doing very well. It's about anal sex. It's about gay

681
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: men having anal sex. He was speech from the bottom's perspective,

682
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: and it was like he truly like this comedy legend

683
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: superstar who feels and he thought, because he then it

684
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: felt to him like, oh maybe things could change. So

685
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys like did something so cool. I'm

686
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: so grateful to be a part of it too. And

687
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: yeah that I think Bloom the title itself with something

688
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: Troy had run in that day. From the title, that's

689
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: just such a great and it's a bop. It's a

690
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: fucking bob baby. And I love the lyrics. I was

691
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: when it first came out before before I really, I mean,

692
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: I was just kind of like listening to the lyrics

693
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is like a very very

694
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: sexy song, Like it's just real. He looks so stunning

695
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: in the music video. The video is h my gosh

696
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: from my my mind too. That's icon insane there. It's

697
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: very rare that as a writer you feel like the

698
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: video just because budgets are so hard to get approved

699
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: and also videos happened last minute most of the time,

700
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: so it's very rare that as a writer you look

701
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: at the song and you look at the video and

702
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: you're like, this video like does the song justice? Um.

703
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: But with every Troy video, especially My My My, especially

704
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: Bloom Dance to this Lucky Strike, the video that just

705
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: came out. I mean it. It is the perfect visual component.

706
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: It's no joke with my my My. I mean some

707
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: I'll shade her right now because I don't care. Taylor Swift.

708
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: The music video for Style is so wrong. I was like,

709
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: this is all wrong. And that's how you know she's

710
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: gotten like too big for anyone to tell her, like no,

711
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: or maybe she just trusted whatever director that was because

712
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: I hear the song. The song is unning and that's why.

713
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: But I see, like, honestly, like her in a fucking

714
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: like car with the top down in Miami, honey dressed

715
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 1: in all black having a night out and like maybe

716
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: going to see her dude instead of hanging out with

717
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: her girls, like I see the video in my head,

718
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: and then to see her like in THEO with a

719
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 1: blue sky. No, it's just projections on her like whatever.

720
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: It's it's like there's a concept. They're fine, Oh that's

721
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: out of the woods. I was thinking of, yeah, you're right,

722
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: but but it's so true. I watched My My My,

723
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is it's almost like syn aesthetic.

724
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: It's like this is what I saw in my mind

725
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: and it's what you picture when you're listening to a

726
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: song like that in your bedroom and the shower and

727
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: you're like you're feeling it. Yeah, and that kind the

728
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: dancing that he does, just and the shots the angles

729
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: him uh in the beginning of the second verse, uh

730
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: uh sparked up buzz between your teeth forget. He's upside down.

731
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: The red light is hitting him like, and he's just

732
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: like it's brand new. It's brand new. It's it's brand new,

733
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: and like it's crazy. We've seen so much so to

734
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: be able to say that something is brand new, that's

735
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: like fucking cool, like I haven't like honestly, it almost

736
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: threw me back to like, like I wonder what George

737
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: Michael would think of Troy, you know what I mean.

738
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: I think you'd be fucking proud as fuck. I think. Yeah,

739
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: Troy did an interview I think it was for Out

740
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: where Elton John interviewed him. Wow, and I mean I

741
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: cry at everything. It's because it can be it can

742
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: be like overwhelming in a really good way, especially when

743
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: I come from a very conservative Christian home in South Mississippi,

744
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: so to be a part of things like this is

745
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: incredibly overwhelming. And Uh, there was a moment where Elton

746
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: Troy brought up Elton's writing partner, and Elton was like, yes,

747
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: we've been writing for I think at this point like

748
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: forty years and uh and Troy brought me up and said, well,

749
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: I hope to be writing with my writing partner for

750
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: that one and that and that killed yea, it was

751
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: so special, and you know, I don't we're not writing anymore.

752
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: But now I'm getting in about two months. But I'll yeah,

753
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: like so this is It sounds like a stupid question,

754
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: but like what do you guy? Did you guys when

755
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,479
Speaker 1: you guys are like hanging out and not writing music,

756
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: do you what are you guys doing? I mean, I'm

757
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: just fascinated by Troy. We are we I think are

758
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: very similar in that and I'm grateful we connected his

759
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: friends first and his collaborators, but but we're very similar

760
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: that we don't typically go out. Um I'm having I

761
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: had that chapter in in l A like years ago,

762
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: but um yeah, yeah, yeah, we have seen. But that's

763
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: why my phone is cracked because Matt dropped it in Weho.

764
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: I just got black out drunk in who and read Damn,

765
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: I like fucking destroyed my phone. I have to fix

766
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I yes, I have a scar on

767
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: my wrist from Halloween and we have about a scar

768
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: front our title about scar. Uh. But no, we just

769
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: like hang out at my place or at his, or

770
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: go to get sushi or very low key just and

771
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: just talking. You know. I was actually reading an interview

772
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: with him where he said that he like working with

773
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: Ariana and like watching her be one person and then

774
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: become the pop star in a moment like you just

775
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: said with Taraji before, Like that is cool and he

776
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: must do that too. He's got you guys learned from Tara.

777
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: We did. We all did in that moment. We we

778
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: and we just did too. When he said that I

779
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: snapped my hand on my head. You didn't see it,

780
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: but did you did do that? I should ask the question. Well,

781
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: I just want I just before we move on, I

782
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: just want like, do you what what is your hope for? Like, um,

783
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: I guess I'm going to call it queer music, even

784
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: though it's not music for queer people necessarily, it's music

785
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: for everybody. But like, because you're part of this and

786
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: you you are putting yourself out there as a performer

787
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: and you're writing for other people, you're writing for yourself like,

788
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: what is your hope in the next let's say, just

789
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: ten years or just the general future, Like what do

790
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: you hope changes are stays the same? Or like my

791
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: hope is that just good music rises to the top

792
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: no matter where it's coming from. Um, no matter who

793
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: is singing it, as long as obviously, as long as

794
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: the person is not problematic and promoting hate or anything

795
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: like that. But I don't like, as long if someone

796
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: is making good music, good music, put it in the spotlight. Yes,

797
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: that that really is. Like, I know it's such a

798
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: general answer, but that is how I feel, because there's

799
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of work to be done. But in

800
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: my community of songwriters that I come from, I am

801
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: surrounded by talented LGBTQ people who are songwriting, who are

802
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: who are writing songs that I adore and are like

803
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: the soundtrack to my life, and I know other people's lives.

804
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: So I just think if people are writing good songs,

805
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: like hopefully it can have a moment. You know, one

806
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: of the most prolific country music songwriters his name Shane mcinally,

807
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: and he's gay, and he writes so many, so many

808
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: amazing songs. And he's gay and he writes country music.

809
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: Shane is wonderful. Yes, yeah, he's so talented. So if

810
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: you would love to have him, you should, and he

811
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: would love to be on I know that he so

812
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: if you don't follow him on Instagram, in immediately follow him.

813
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: His kids are hilarious, he is hilarious. His husband is precious. Yeah,

814
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: there are so much fun there you go. Number one

815
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: is Kelly Kelly. Yes, yes, yes, uh yes. So he's amazing.

816
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: And not only is he one of Nashville's arguably could

817
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: be the biggest songwriter in Nashville, but he owns his

818
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: own publishing company. He's a writer signed to him, so

819
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: there are hits that he may not have co written,

820
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: but he's still making money off of because the writers

821
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: are signed him. And I that's something that I respect,

822
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: is that he is building an empire. There. There's the

823
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: moment on in Nashville. There's Music Row, so there's two

824
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: one way streets um that run parallel, and all the

825
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: houses are publishing companies or record labels or whatever. So

826
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: you know you've made it as a company when you

827
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: buy your spot on Music Row. And Shane's company is

828
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: called Smack and he bought the most beautiful office renovated

829
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: at everything on music row, and that is such a

830
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: special moment. It signifies a lot, it signifies a shift.

831
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: There's a lot more evolving that needs to happen. But

832
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: of course, but it's it's just it's great, but it's cool.

833
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: It's it's cool to see in country. I mean, the

834
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: man writes for everyone everyone, men, women like and it's

835
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: just like it gives me hope for country music because

836
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: I always and you know what it's when will we

837
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: see a gay country music star? I don't know, but

838
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: like it gives me hope that at least you know,

839
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: we're hearing like where it comes from here and those yeah,

840
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: and those those country stars are at there, yeah, but

841
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: like you know, they're they're just it's a tough genre.

842
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: It's a tough genre. But um, I so what but

843
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: with your with what you're saying, which is like you

844
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: just hope for good music to rise to the top,

845
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: is it that you don't want it to be bogged

846
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: down by a million other things that have to do

847
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: with the marketing or just with the way that it's

848
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: presented or completely and and just exposure and what gets covered,

849
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: just like not a song getting so much exposure because

850
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: who the artist is, even if it's a bad song.

851
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: So it's just people, uh are just giving great songs

852
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: an opportunity. You know. I looked at do you know

853
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: how they do those like year end Spotify lists, like

854
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: it said my top female artists, I forget who actually

855
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: was probably Kim Petris, and then my top male artist.

856
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: It was a tie between Troy Savon and Bradley Cooper

857
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: because I listened to Shallows so many times and like

858
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: worn out the Stars Born soundtrack, but Troy was tied.

859
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: So it was and it was like your critics choice moment.

860
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: It was very that Troy is the guy. Ironically, Troy's

861
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: the Gaga and Bradley's the Glen right in that situation,

862
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: Yesaga is not the Bradley. No no, the no that's

863
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: Troy has written all over him. Oh my god. It's

864
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: gonna be kind of like you can go to these

865
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: awards shows and like if you are at this time,

866
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: we don't know if it's up for an Oscar. It

867
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: could be the song Revelations, but um, not to drinks.

868
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: But it's cool to kind of go to those things

869
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: and know that something like Shallow is in the race,

870
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: which is like winning everything. We went with such low pressure, right,

871
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: I mean that we were just there to have a

872
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: good time. Yeah, it was so and that's fun. But

873
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: think about this, like in the history of music and

874
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: in like queer songwriting. I keep calling it, you know,

875
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, You're gonna look back

876
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: on this. People are gonna look back on this and say,

877
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, wasn't it so cool that Shallow was nominated?

878
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: Like it was like the category sister of Shallow was

879
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: like Revelation by Troy by leland by Jones, like like

880
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: you are in that story. Like that is part of

881
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: the narrative for this year, which is such a I

882
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: think a landmark year for for representation for a film

883
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: for like you know, it's like you be Human, Rapsody,

884
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: green Book, I mean, for for whatever you think about

885
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: these movies ban Raapsody, green Book, Shall Shallow called it Shallow,

886
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: Stars Born, um Boy Raised. It's like these are all

887
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: queer movies and like and also you know, outside of

888
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: that representation across the board, I mean, Black Panther, Black Klansman,

889
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's overall, it's been an exciting year. That's why,

890
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: like once they started naming the best of the year.

891
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: It's like they picked that, you know what I mean.

892
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like come on people, sure, but we'll see

893
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: how it checks out anyway. But um, I do want

894
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: to ask one more thing. So with Boyer Race, had

895
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: you seen the movie and then you guys write the

896
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: song or was he like, this is what the song is?

897
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: We saw the specific scene, um and uh, and then

898
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: you know, we knew what it was about. And obviously

899
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: Troyes in the movie as well, so you had the

900
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: experience already of filming the movie. Being very familiar with

901
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: the script inspired yes, and we knew what the director

902
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: Joel wanted wanted from that moment that we looked at

903
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: the materials for the Conversion camp when we were looking

904
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: writing the song, and the last time I've seen those

905
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: materials was when I had been like sent them as

906
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: an option, and so that was that was very strange.

907
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: But also it was like, wow, I it's however ten

908
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: years later and I am a proud, like out and

909
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: proud gay man, and so it was a lot. Yeah,

910
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: like this is the thing is that you just have

911
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: to confront whatever the darkest things are. This is something

912
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: I keep saying, you just have to confront these things

913
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: or else they will just eat away at you. I'm

914
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: realizing that I have not even really had an honest

915
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: conversation with my parents about going to conversion therapy. Well,

916
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: I think both parties have to be ready to have

917
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: that conversation. I am pretty ready. It's it's it's I

918
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: think I think balls in their court now, and like,

919
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: but that's where I am too. Yeah, and so but

920
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: like that's like the power of like what you're doing,

921
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, It's like it's like it's like that's making

922
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: me think about that. But it's like bloom is this

923
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: landmark thing in the culture. Like like I know that

924
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: you say that you get overwhelmed at this probably sometimes,

925
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: but like that is incredible already what your career and

926
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: it starts conversations. I mean, like just you know, someone

927
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: like Nicole Kidman being in that movie, Oh my god,

928
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for that because you know, Nicole Kimon

929
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: can go on any talk show she wants, and she

930
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: can bring this film to the masses. And you know

931
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: it also has Russell Crowe, um it has a choice

932
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: of on in it. Lucas had just who is who

933
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: is becoming a big deal. And Jill Edgerton, the actor

934
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: who's not a small actor, who's also now this great director,

935
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: and so just this big name talent like giving everything

936
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: they have to this kind of film so that people

937
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: can hear the story and also to know that it

938
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: wasn't the only film about conversion therapy out this year

939
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: there Cameron Post and um, you know, just to know

940
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: that we're really tackling this, because I do think it's

941
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: a scientology esque situation where it's like, we must get

942
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: rid of this. I mean, it's people's lives. As of

943
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, it was the law pass

944
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: to New York banning conversion therapy, but that means now

945
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: because the phrase that I've been saying is it's still

946
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: legal in thirty six states but not thirty five, which

947
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: is incredible. But yeah, I mean, and you can if

948
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: you're you have to find out if you're living in

949
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: a state where conversion therapy still legal. And never forget

950
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: that our vice president at this moment, you know, he's

951
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: someone who thinks this works, and his evil life is

952
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but teaching like whatever fucking art class or

953
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: whatever at schools that do not allow LGBT people at

954
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: all to be involved all and never stopped talking about

955
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 1: this because it is not normal. I understand so many

956
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: things about this are not normal, but this is a

957
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: threat to our community in a big way. It's one

958
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: of the biggest I mean, and thankfully you have come

959
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: out on the other side. And like some people don't

960
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: some people do not, don't don't. And that's in the

961
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: film and in the book. Um also, imagine teaching an

962
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: art class with no queerheads. The worst you have bad pictures.

963
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: Imagine the art fair terrible. I wouldn't hang it up

964
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: by my wall or any I wouldn't hang it up

965
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: on my worst enemies wall. There you straight art? No

966
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: straight art. That's another maybe title. There should be no

967
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: straight art. And Leland's joining in. Okay, you must, we

968
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: must Okay. Now I think it's time to ask the question.

969
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: It's time to ask the question. Here we are. The

970
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: question is Leland, what was the culture that made you

971
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: say culturist? For me? Which is what is the formative?

972
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: And you can be multiple answers, formative pieces of media

973
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: or just your environment. It could just be like your upbringing,

974
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: um uh, in a in a religious setting where it's

975
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: like these things that moved you into the place that

976
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: you are now, your touchstones, touchstones. Um, it was very

977
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: much The Medley and Mrs doubt Fire where he is

978
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: being made a woman from the moment the door opens,

979
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: he knocks on the door Uncle Frank and at Jack

980
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: and he goes, can you make me a woman? She goes, Honey,

981
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm so happy, and then the Medley starts and that

982
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: was it. Oh my god. Then you know, so that

983
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: was It's so funny because I feel like you're either

984
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: like a Mrs Daffire person who had that movie, Are

985
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: You're not? I, for some reason, didn't watch that movie

986
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: until much later. Dave Mazzoni though, are you know he's

987
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: Mrs Daffaire bitch? We my best friend Stephen and I

988
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: were walking up and down Upper West Side a couple

989
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: of days ago and quoted the entire Yeah, people can

990
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: do that, but truly that that montage, that montage of

991
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: her becoming and doing all the transformations and Barbara, that

992
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: Barbara streisand moment and all of that, just that, and

993
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: what I love about it is, like I said, I

994
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: grew up in a very conservative home. That is drag

995
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: that is a dragon queen and for some reason that

996
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: snuck in the house was allowed on board with it.

997
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: Yeah it was Robin Williams. Yeah I think so. And

998
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: so it was that it was the Birdcage changed my

999
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: life a Robin completely. And then freshman year of college,

1000
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: I had my first boyfriend and I told my parents

1001
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: that I cannot come home for fall break. I have

1002
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: so much studying to do. And my first boyfriend and

1003
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: I snuck to and we drove to Chicago from Nashville

1004
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: and stayed with my friend for the weekend. And she

1005
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: sat us down and showed us the movie Hedwig and

1006
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: the Angry Inch, and I had never seen anything like it,

1007
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: and it blew my mind. Those songs stuck with me.

1008
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: And recently, which I cannot believe, I had dinner and

1009
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: have become good friends with Stephen Trask and uh and

1010
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: just like it's just insane, that's all, yes, and so

1011
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: it was all. It was all like a lot a

1012
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: lot of drag moments that like that, uh define or

1013
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: like that started that inspiration of um, I guess where

1014
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm at. The culture is just that, don't know. Stephen

1015
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: Trask was John Cara Mitchell's collaborator on music and also

1016
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: John caman Ritchell is like in it with he's he's

1017
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: like he's like he will he's coming back in this

1018
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: way that like sort of like he has his foot

1019
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: and like a comedy the contemporary comedic thing where it's

1020
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: like he'll come to like like he comes to like

1021
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: birthday parties and ship he's so funny, he's around and

1022
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: he's like the coolest person in the world. Um, that

1023
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: those are whatever I had. I didn't mean to name

1024
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: drop John Cameron Mitchell, but but but I didn't. Now, Um,

1025
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: and now I want to go to that birthday party

1026
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: and now you're crazy for you to talk about birthday

1027
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: Bay parties, birthday, birthdaythday parties, birthday exactly, she would succeed. Um,

1028
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: those are so great. There's such good examples. I have

1029
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: to admit. Yeah, I'm not to miss his doubtfire Gate,

1030
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: but like I understand it to be like I didn't

1031
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: watch until after my wind like the critical window had

1032
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: closed on. Yeah, I'll tell you what I think is

1033
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: iconic about it, Like yes, yes, yes, for me, Sally

1034
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: isn't my top five. My Sally to me is iconic.

1035
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: She's in my house. What's the moment, what's the moment

1036
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: the whole time, the whole time, the whole time. Genius.

1037
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: Imagine imagine imagine being the person that slowly that line

1038
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: reading that to that. Oh my god, she's unbelievable. And

1039
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: and you know, the thing about Sally is like, what

1040
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: I love about Sally is she never disappears. She's always

1041
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: Sally Field. But you are never mad. It's kind of

1042
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: like Meryl Streep too. I find that Meryl Streep doesn't disappear.

1043
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: She's kind of always Meryl and whatever. She's always Meryl.

1044
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 1: And I love that, Like, you don't need to totally

1045
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: disappear from me. Sure. What I also love about Mrs

1046
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: dolfire that is that it addressed divorce, yes, which I

1047
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: really haven't seen, you know. And and growing up in Mississippi,

1048
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: you you are told that divorce is not divorce is

1049
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: a sin. But then I'm like, no, Actually, if you

1050
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: don't like each other anymore, you should get a divorce.

1051
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: Still work out? Actually are often then they do nowadays.

1052
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: And also the only thing with that movie that I

1053
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: would criticize is that there's a possibility that they get

1054
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: back together at the end. I think it's fine that

1055
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: they're divorced, absolutely let them be divorced, because that is

1056
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: not the reality for lots of kids. So I can

1057
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: go back to a movie from Oh my God, I

1058
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: have notes there you go. I mean sure with the

1059
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: starting one of the best comedic actors, Manu and in

1060
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: two your formative movies, I mean, and Hook is one

1061
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: of my favorite. Yeah, I mean I would even say

1062
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even shout out the bitch in Jumanjie. I

1063
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: wore out that VHS from Yeah, I did too. I

1064
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: remember all the previews that were on at Flyaway Home,

1065
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: miss Anna Paquin. I love the music in that movie

1066
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: was amazing, yes, miss Anna Paquin and also Flying all

1067
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: the Geese. Who was the father in that movie? I

1068
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: think it was Jeff Daniels who gave an iconic speech

1069
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: at the Golden Globes. Yes, yes, yes, Jeff Bridges Wait

1070
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: wait wait, we're gonna sorry, sorry, sorry, Jeff Daniels was

1071
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: in fly Away Home. Jeffries as Chris Pine looked on. Look,

1072
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: there's so many Jeff's, so many Chris is too many,

1073
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: too many Chris. But I love all Christmas m as

1074
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: someone who people often point to and go Chris right,

1075
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: And I don't know, but yeah, no, but yeah, that's

1076
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: the right answer. But yeah, I might as love you, Chris.

1077
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: I think my favorite Robert Williams is honestly, and this

1078
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: is so pathetic. It's not like he's not fun in it.

1079
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: Don't say like Insomnia, no, like what I love that movie.

1080
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: How when when' the last time you saw it? Like

1081
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: like fairly, not fairly recently, but like five years ago

1082
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: because my parents had never seen it, and it was like,

1083
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: this is something that like the whole family can enjoy.

1084
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: He's certainly a fantastic very He's not funny, but he's

1085
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: not but the whole thing of like like his wife

1086
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: farting in bed, like oh yeah, he's what a what

1087
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: a beautiful moment of just comedic, like he's there grief

1088
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: mixed with comedy, mixed with all this stuff. I was

1089
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: just like that is like I mean, I watched I

1090
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: watch Hooky around you. Absolutely I have to have a

1091
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: movie in the background, and it's typically that hook Okay. Interesting,

1092
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: you have to have a movie in the background, not

1093
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: when you're working, not when I'm working, just like running

1094
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: around the house. I have The Housewives on always, and

1095
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: I need to do that more. I just my background

1096
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: ship is like cooking videos on YouTube, which is dumb.

1097
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: It needs to be actual culture. It needs to be

1098
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: cooking is culture. I know cook Uh No, I can

1099
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: make a couple of things, but that's it. I have

1100
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: like a cookie recipe by memory, but it shows my

1101
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: priority memory. But I think that's your Yes, yes, yes, Leland.

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00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: What would your book title be? Oh, life in the

1103
00:58:53,760 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: fast food Lane? Okay, let's get into fast food baby.

1104
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: I am fresh off Whole thirty. I the world is

1105
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: my oyster all the way I am. I wait, what

1106
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: you're already done? I was? I told studio. I was like,

1107
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give it. I'm gonna stop it. Okay, okay.

1108
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: I saw the cutest thing. I went to visit my

1109
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: friend Steven, who lives here at work, and he introduced

1110
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: me to some of his co workers. One of his

1111
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: co workers had flowers on her desk, and I was like,

1112
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what's the occasion. Congratulations? She said, my

1113
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: girlfriend sent them to me because I'm halfway through Whole thirty.

1114
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: That is so sweet and so sweet, so goddamn hard.

1115
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: I was immediately furious that I don't have that type

1116
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: of relationship. Yeah, I just thought it was really for

1117
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: half not even just half beautiful. You need encouragement in

1118
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: these do you need encouragement also? Like but I will say, like,

1119
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: have you ever done like do you you don't like diet?

1120
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: I had. I did the Keto diet and it was

1121
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 1: actually very successful. If I still go into a mode

1122
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: and I stick to it and it does it worked well.

1123
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: I heard it was a good one that that works.

1124
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: You know. You get to the thing about the Whole

1125
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: thirty is I went over to our friend Suti, who

1126
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: was also doing a Whole thirty at the time, and

1127
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: she made like a whole thirty beef stew that was

1128
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: like totally compliant with whole famously love a beef stew. Yeah,

1129
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: I mean my favorite beef stew. Beef constipated for days.

1130
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: But it's work, but it's good. And also this stew

1131
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: was good. I needed a little salt, as things often do.

1132
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: But you know, as acially rule of culture, things often

1133
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: needs salt. It's a really culture number fourteen. Oh my god, bitch,

1134
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: I always say for it, it's real culture number ninety six.

1135
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: Things need salt. But this whole thirty compliant beef stew,

1136
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: it's missing a lot to the beef. It's missing beef.

1137
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: The beef is there, but also it's just it's beef.

1138
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: That's beef. Is there beef, it's beef. Mushrooms and potatoes. Okay, fine,

1139
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: but for me, so I got the mushrooms. This is

1140
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: what I need to have. Maybe it's to be a wine,

1141
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: a wine based, a red wine, red wine, Yama, reduced

1142
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: red wine, um, be stock whatever, and then with with

1143
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: a fond and well not fond with mine. I have

1144
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: mine with a fond with no no noes. Needs to

1145
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: have beef of course, potatoes, carrot, there they are. I

1146
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: was waiting. I was peas cheez. You gotta have fucking

1147
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: peas in your beef, stupid bitch. And some rose a

1148
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 1: couple of spigs of rosemary maybe if you're feeling fine.

1149
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: Oh of course Celery. Oh my god, I live and

1150
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: die for Celery. Oh my god, you burned calories eating fibers.

1151
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: I know. That's what I know a few things fiber

1152
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: for those of us out here trying and trying and

1153
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: trying to have gay an there I mean I bloom

1154
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: maybe maybe not how much Celery? Have I A wow

1155
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: sequel that's actually a real cut number sixty four. I

1156
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: maybe maybe not have much salary. Have I eaten favorite? Okay,

1157
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: go to fast food place Leland, Taco Bell, Taco Bell, Yes,

1158
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: we have to start with this Taco Bell rasuer, Oh

1159
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: my Bell. So when Tyler and I first became friends,

1160
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: he was driving this like Ford focus. I also had

1161
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: a Ford focus that one chapter in my life and

1162
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: this is not this is not the place where you

1163
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: come to like I love this focuses. Yeah, he always

1164
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: sponsored American idols. Oh you're right. He had a jetta.

1165
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: He had a Jetta for him and I got in

1166
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: his car. He opened up the glove compartment or the

1167
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: middle of the middle secon and there were about four

1168
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: hundred Taco Bell gift cards. Shut up and I got

1169
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: I got chills from Taco Bell corporate. What And it

1170
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: was like yes, yeah, And he was like should we

1171
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: go to Taco Bell? Well, you don't bloom after talk

1172
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: mean at your own risk, right right right? And so

1173
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: there was a chapter in my life where we would

1174
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: just go get taco about, Oh my god, and it

1175
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: was so nice and never paid a time. I used

1176
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: to Holy shit, I used to go to talk about

1177
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: and my order was because you know that taco bells

1178
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: off joined with pizza hut, so I would get I

1179
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: would get to chicken case citias and a little personal pizza,

1180
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: and I would be able to just house that. Now

1181
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: at this day and age of my late twenties, honey,

1182
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: now never never, I can probably handle one chicken case

1183
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: citia or I can eat too, but I I can

1184
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: take a leave the pizza sauce in the chicken. Yeah.

1185
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: And also like when they're a little but they can't

1186
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: not sometimes with these taco bells, they don't cook it

1187
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: all the way something. It's not trigger. It's just like

1188
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: when I when I go to get a c I

1189
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: want and is my ship charred wange it needs to

1190
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: be charged. I like it like I like my marshmallows

1191
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: charge charred. I like it like I like my swiss

1192
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: um that is I like it how I like my Pokemon.

1193
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: I can I tell you something, you can just what

1194
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: I always get doesn't matter what, It doesn't matter what

1195
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:16,959
Speaker 1: else is in the order. Must get two plane bean

1196
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: burritos every time I go, Yes, you hate this. I

1197
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: just don't like a bean burrito because I know what's

1198
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna do to your fucking system. But what

1199
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: you don't know about is when he's had, when he's

1200
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: been eating things that are going to disagree with his stomach.

1201
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: The noises that come from Bow and Yang are similar

1202
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: to that of an angry Egyptian king. Now, I that

1203
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: comes out of hanging out with him at your own risk.

1204
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: Now after he's eaten, and just forward and some fire

1205
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: and some fire packets, fire sauce. I'm a mild, you're

1206
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: a mild mild. I like the taste. I love the

1207
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: taste of them. You know you don't want the pekans. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1208
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: you know. I like spicy. I'm a spicy queen. Chaotic.

1209
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm chaotic, good spicy, Okay, that's how I redentify, but

1210
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: not super spicy. Come on, come on, but I don't

1211
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: want to sweat. When I go to Chipotle, I always

1212
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: ask for mild and hot, and sometimes I get an

1213
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: awkward eye. No, it's fine, whatever I asked for mild

1214
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: and medium. Mild medium queen. Okay, we have to talk

1215
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: about the other two in your involvement with it. Um, Like,

1216
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: like the whole the show is predicated on, like this

1217
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: kid becoming this huge pop star and having these songs

1218
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: and like you ended up writing these like very good songs,

1219
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: Like what was that? What was that process like where

1220
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: you would just with it in the room with Chris

1221
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: and Sarah coming up with what these songs were supposed

1222
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: to be. They would send me lyrics. They sent me

1223
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: lyrics they worked on very almost completely flushed out, um

1224
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: and uh because as you said, like they come from

1225
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: an incredible background of writing songs and um and so

1226
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: then I would take the lyrics and make them hooky

1227
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: and put music underneath them, and then send them a

1228
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: couple of options of like here's how you here's like

1229
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: a verse option. It all like comes down to the chorus.

1230
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: So I would send you know too, three four or

1231
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: five versions of different choruses using the lyrics that they

1232
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: had sent over um and uh. And then we just

1233
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: went back and forth and they were so amazing to

1234
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: work with, and I would write the songs and then

1235
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: I brought them to my friend Gabe Lopez to produce

1236
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: who produces a lot for Brandy Carlyle. Oh my god, sorry, sorry,

1237
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, Belenda car Live, um and uh and yeah.

1238
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: So we would just try different things and it was

1239
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: so much fun and I wanted to there were a

1240
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: lot of complexities to it because Chase's career in the

1241
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: show had to evolve. Yes, so the songs had to

1242
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: get better. And that's very relative and strange. It's like,

1243
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: so have I write a better song now so that

1244
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: fits um? But then you know, it's like I want

1245
01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: to have a one Republic Americana moment for my Brother's

1246
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: Gay for that song, and then uh, and then later

1247
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: in this series the series, Uh, he has a like

1248
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: a big performance that we had to strip back one

1249
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: of the songs um and do like reinvent it. You

1250
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: know when people going on the Words show and they

1251
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: reinvent the song with like if it's like an up

1252
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: tempo song, but they do it with an orchestra, you know.

1253
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: So we had to have one of those moments, right, oh,

1254
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: yes at the and then we did a bunch of

1255
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: remixes for My Brother's Gay, So we did the Gay

1256
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: Club remix, all these remixes that was we did, Like

1257
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: that was my favorite episodes. But my Brother's Gay episode,

1258
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: as I think and hinges on the song, Yes, the

1259
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: song is doing all the work, is moving the plot forward.

1260
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: That's amazing. You like you were you you were writing

1261
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: songs that were like breaking the story that we're just

1262
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: like moving it along in this way that was like

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Speaker 1: so so fun, I can't believe it. Seriously they I mean,

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01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: we've talked, we talked about Molly, Shannon and Chris and

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01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: Sarah and all these people. But too, I had gone

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01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: to m Saturday Night Live last when last January Troy performed,

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01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: which was an iconic performance, so special and uh, and

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01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: I truly was the person that was like, this is

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01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: my like Mecca, this is the holy grail of comedy.

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01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: This is I recognizing and and a bucket list as

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01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: a songwriter. You you're like, I can't speak for everyone,

1272
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: but my dreams were like hopefully one day to have

1273
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: a song performed on the Grammys, but Saturday Night Live

1274
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: is is the place. And so to not have only one,

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01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: but like to have co written both songs that he

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01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: was performing was such a special moment. Alex and I

1277
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: sat in the audience on the balcony area and just

1278
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: cried and it was so special and um and so

1279
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: I remember being there and telling Troy and telling our

1280
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: friends we were with. I don't know how, I don't

1281
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: know like on what, but I need to work with

1282
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: these people somehow, And it was three weeks later that

1283
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: I was like, sitting in an office with Chris and

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01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: Sarah was so crazy. So yeah, I I love and

1285
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: I feel like my like, I feel like everything led

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01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: up to having the capability to work on this show

1287
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: because it's that type of writing is very specific. So

1288
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: working on drag Race for now four years and then

1289
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: writing pop songs, this felt like the culmination of both

1290
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: of those things. Well, it's just a perfect intersection of

1291
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: like your passions and your interests completely so special. So

1292
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: let's talk about drag Race because you've got to be

1293
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: on cam and the Helper. So can you give us

1294
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: a little bit? Who are you? Who are you working

1295
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: with that drag Race, Like do you have interactions with

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01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: rou Yes, I mean I I uh rue is just amazing.

1297
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: I feel so lucky to be in that family and

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01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 1: to be around um uh LGBTQ people that come from

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01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: a generation where I mean they are just comedic geniuses

1300
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,919
Speaker 1: and so anytime I can be around them and absorb

1301
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: that energy and those stories and that comedy and I

1302
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: love it. Um yeah, and I mean drags is. Working

1303
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: on drag Ras is truly I work with um My

1304
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 1: co composer Freddie Scott, who is amazing, and it is

1305
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: one of the hardest things I work on, because you'll

1306
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: work on an extravaganza, yes, which usually consists of twelve

1307
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,759
Speaker 1: mini songs of varying genres that have to be equally

1308
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: competitive for each queen, that have to have an opportunity

1309
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: for each each queen to have a moment if they

1310
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 1: take advantage of it or if they do it the

1311
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: right way. Um, and have to have different voices. So

1312
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: ali X has been has done some voices for me.

1313
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 1: I do a lot of the voices. On Kardashian the Musical,

1314
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: I was Courtney Kardashian and in the final cut and

1315
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: the final at it oh yeah, oh yeah, god um

1316
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: and uh and yeah. And then on Bad Girls of

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01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: Her Story, ali X was the voice of Princess Diana.

1318
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that Alix did all these. I'm very shy.

1319
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I cannot believe. You know. The world

1320
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: fell in love with my eyes. Pink, pink pink. My

1321
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: favorite favorite, favorite thing too, was was Alyssa Edwards as

1322
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: Bang Yeah, we were so great. She killed it Detox

1323
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: in TX as Marie Antoinette and that was my friend

1324
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: m Fitzpatrick who lives here, who I went to college with,

1325
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: So I just call all my friends to do all

1326
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: the voices, like insane, you get any part of the gag,

1327
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: do you feel like you enjoy it more or less

1328
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: watching it because you're involved? Is that like something you

1329
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: lose being involved? No? No, no no, no. Being on

1330
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: set and watching it go down, watching them perform, it's

1331
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: a rush that you can't describe it is. So it's, well,

1332
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: it's freezing first of all on sets you're like shaking. Yeah,

1333
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: I mean you don't want the queens to sweat or

1334
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: anyone to sweat. There in so much fabric, so much makeup,

1335
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: wigs and everything, so it's freeze ing. But um, but

1336
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:06,759
Speaker 1: also yeah, it's it is so special and it feels

1337
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: like it's just getting going and it's ten seasons end,

1338
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: which is insane. Yeah that's unheard of. Ye, that's unheard of.

1339
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: It's only growing and growing and growing, And I mean

1340
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: the conversations around it are so so important. So we're

1341
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: like when we're recording this, we're like in the middle

1342
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 1: of All Stars four right now? Do you end up

1343
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: knowing results? And I don't want to, you know, I

1344
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,560
Speaker 1: am a massive fan of Drag Race. I was a

1345
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: fan before I worked on the show, but they're people

1346
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: in my friend group are bigger fans, and it it

1347
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:45,719
Speaker 1: is so intense, um and so I don't typically talk

1348
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 1: about it. One because I've signed a million n D

1349
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: A and uh too, because I forget, Like, we we

1350
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: filmed my episode that I was on this this season.

1351
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: We filmed it last January, you know, so you forget

1352
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: the interactions that happened. I forgot that I had some

1353
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: fun moments with Chia and and uh fun moments with Farah,

1354
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: and so you forget all those things and then you

1355
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 1: watch it back and my friends, you know, will be like, so,

1356
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: what's going on? I'm like, I one for I'm not

1357
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: telling you, and to I forget, like I don't know. Yeah,

1358
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: that's so this the question I'm gonna ask is so insane.

1359
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: How big is that main stage? Are? Like, is a huge?

1360
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: It's a big? Yeah, it looks huge. It's not one

1361
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: of those spaces where you go in and you're like,

1362
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's so much smaller. Yes, yes, yes,

1363
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: that thing. Like when I went to the Prices, right,

1364
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 1: I was like, this is tiny. That's crazy. Um, but no,

1365
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's big, you know what's really small?

1366
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: Watch What Happens Live? Yes, it is intimate, intimate, Yeah,

1367
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 1: but no, it's a it's a great space. And like

1368
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: I get chills, like when I see the Snatch Game

1369
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 1: set coming out or anything like that. It's so cool. Yeah,

1370
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 1: what's your favorite one that you've worked on, like, like

1371
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: a favorite song like extravag As we Are? Um, I

1372
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 1: mean there, I loved writing um a classic? Is there

1373
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: an anal option from? Oh my God, my my friend

1374
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: Mia was the voice of that who we Are? I

1375
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: also went to college with And is there an anal option?

1376
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: Mayhem Miller? Right, that was Mayhem? That was Mayhem. Um,

1377
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 1: But I mean I do think I loved working on

1378
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: Bad Girls of History. Yeah, that was really that. All

1379
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 1: Stars to cast is iconic. I think All Stars four

1380
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,799
Speaker 1: comes close though. Really, I think it's been fucking amazing.

1381
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: So we're recording this right after him the Lala Peruse

1382
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: episode and that, like, because I was telling you mant,

1383
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't like it's a good season.

1384
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: I don't know about this roster. They're like, are are

1385
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: we liking like this group we've always had hesitation since

1386
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: the Annasis cast, I've been so then, like the Lalla

1387
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: Peruse episode just like crystallized everything. I was like, they

1388
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: picked all the right girls, and like it's this is

1389
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: such good television. It's so like it all comes together

1390
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 1: in this one episode and now like there's more of

1391
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: the season to be had, but like so fun, such

1392
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: a good watching it, and like seeing the runways this

1393
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: all this year and thinking about All Stars in general.

1394
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:15,959
Speaker 1: Do you know who I think is going to eventually

1395
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: fucking kill an All Star season? Asia Asia. I think

1396
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: Asia O'Hara is going to win All Stars. I think

1397
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: what will be really tough is if Asia O'Hara and

1398
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: Shape Cool are in the same season. It's gonna be hard,

1399
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: and I think they'll both do All Stars five. But

1400
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 1: Asia has a redemption arc that she is going in with.

1401
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: And Asia comes to the runway with gags already not

1402
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: on an All Stars season, So what is Asia? What

1403
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: is an elevated runway Asia gonna be? Yeah, that is

1404
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,560
Speaker 1: fucking crazy thing to have a lot of respect for

1405
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 1: the queens that come with no budget, you know, I yeah,

1406
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 1: it's a hard Yeah. Asia came in made her Daniel

1407
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 1: line look with an Ikea, but she made it work.

1408
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: And also like, that's the reason I say Asia and

1409
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: Shay is because I feel like those are the two

1410
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: because I don't think Kim she's ever doing it. I

1411
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: just don't get the sense that she's ever going to

1412
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: do All Stars. But I think Shay and Asia are

1413
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 1: both waiting for their moment. I think it's going to

1414
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: come at the same time, and that will be a

1415
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: gag because she is also so fucking she has also

1416
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: fun fact shape or Kim, she and Tyler went to

1417
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: high school together. I'm like, no way, you know, Jill,

1418
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: Kim Booster and Shakol went to high school together and

1419
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 1: they were in the same production of No No It

1420
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: was and and um Shay was Audrey too and Joel

1421
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: was um Seymour Seymour. Yeah, amazing. Can they please? Yes?

1422
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: I mean they're both fame people would people would pay

1423
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: money to see that. I was too. Gorgeous people doing

1424
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: gorgeous work, gorgeous work. Um is it time? I think

1425
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 1: it's time? Okay, I think be time. So we're doing

1426
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: I don't think Sony, did you come prepared? Bit she

1427
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: did come prepared as prepared as I can. I'm very nervous.

1428
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: I also might lose some friendships over this. You know

1429
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: it's gonna be good. Um, this is our one minute.

1430
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: This is our one minute segment where we each go

1431
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: off for one minute. As I've said about pop culture,

1432
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: something that's getting our go doesn't have to be pop

1433
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: culture related, something in the culture. Matt, do you have something?

1434
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: I need a second. Okay, you need a second, I

1435
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: think because I've designed two things that I want to

1436
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 1: hear yours. So I go to I land on a

1437
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: different flavor. Okay, well I'll wait. Mine was going to

1438
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 1: be topical, and we have to remember not to be topical. Okay, Um,

1439
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 1: here we go, here we go. All right, this is

1440
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, And as time starts now,

1441
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Poppers. Really, I've been using

1442
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: poppers and it's it's been rush. It's been rush, and

1443
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 1: I do the poppers and I'm trying to This is

1444
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: for my own private use. It's not with I haven't

1445
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,560
Speaker 1: been so lucky to be with another person, um in

1446
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: a sexual setting. So it's for my own popper's use.

1447
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 1: So that so I stick other things things up my butt.

1448
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's it's giving me too much of

1449
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: a little head rush. I'm like, wait a minute, I

1450
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: can't concentrate, and it's not the intended thing. I don't

1451
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: feel they so dilation. I don't I can't tell if

1452
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: it's making things easier for me down there, and like,

1453
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 1: bitch you got I can't believe I had to walk

1454
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: to Chelsea into some insane sex shop and spend forty

1455
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: to buy two little bottles poppers. The fact that there

1456
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: are top and bottom poppers is insane to me. There

1457
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,879
Speaker 1: should just be one for bottoms. Tops. They don't need anything,

1458
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 1: they're they're set. They should just take a masculinity pillums.

1459
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: So I don't think so many poppers. We need to

1460
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: rethink the way that we present these and how we

1461
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: advertise what the effects. And that's why I'm minute, you know,

1462
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 1: I think you might just be taken too much of

1463
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: a No, I'm just going and also if you need

1464
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 1: someone to take those off your hands and stuff. And

1465
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm a fan, but my group of friends who started

1466
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 1: doing it recreation the ways he'll bring it to the club,

1467
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: Joel's stunt when he's around straight people, as he'd be like, hey,

1468
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 1: you should try poppers just for absolutely, Yeah, we did it.

1469
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: We did it on stage before. I don't think so, honey,

1470
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 1: l A. Last night at the after party, we all

1471
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: cheers with our fried chicken sandwiches and special. That was

1472
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 1: a good fried chicken sandwich so good. Also, so when

1473
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: I uh did the Troy tour and we stopped in

1474
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: Atlanta and my whole group of friends Joe John down

1475
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 1: from Nashville, and then I went and sat with them

1476
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: and danced while Troy Troy was on stage. And this

1477
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 1: was new to me to see my entire group of friends, girls, guys,

1478
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: gay straights all doing poppers. I was like, what, it's

1479
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 1: a revolutionous going on. Yeah, the first revolution. Yeah, past

1480
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 1: the poppers hun one time but one and I walked

1481
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 1: into a room and a friend said, pop the poppers

1482
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: the gazer here and I was like, I love that.

1483
01:19:55,479 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 1: As our intro, who said Joanna Bradley remember queer, I

1484
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: mean she's queer herself and she so she was allowed

1485
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: to say that. I decided what I'm gonna do and

1486
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 1: it's on theme. Okay, it's on theme. Great, this is

1487
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers. I don't think so many a time starts now,

1488
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,560
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, that bottoming hurts. Can I

1489
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 1: say something? All I want to do is take a

1490
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: fucking cock seriously, like that I watched is like exclusively,

1491
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 1: like obviously it's clear to me that I want to

1492
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 1: get fucked. And then literally like I'll try, I'll be

1493
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: on my loans. I'm like, and I'm thinking in my

1494
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: private times, should I And I can't even stomach the

1495
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: fact of trying to do that with myself. I need

1496
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: to be able to take dicks because, let me tell

1497
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 1: you something, I feel that there's a side of my

1498
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 1: sexuality that is like just not being explored, and I

1499
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. I listened to Bloom and I'm

1500
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: like so proud to be part of this community. And

1501
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 1: then I can't even fucking hack it. And I wanted

1502
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: able to hack it so bad. I wanted be able

1503
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 1: to hack it so bad, honey. And honestly, here's the thing.

1504
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: No one has mentioned a trainer jildo and I am.

1505
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 1: I would like to get out there and try to

1506
01:20:57,800 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: try to get it, But the fact of the matter

1507
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 1: is is it going to be a wasteful purchase? Am

1508
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 1: I going to like actually enjoy this? I really hope

1509
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: so I don't think so money that it hurts. I

1510
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: just want to have fucking said and that's one minute. Okay,

1511
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: Trainer Delga will not hurt. It is like it is

1512
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 1: just so what you do is I want to be

1513
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: able to use my asshole for sex. Okay, here's here's

1514
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: here's start with this is And for anyone if this

1515
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: is tr graphic, we're so sorry. But also I came.

1516
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 1: I came to this episode for this, so yes, yes,

1517
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,719
Speaker 1: and we're also not apologizing for us. This is boom,

1518
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 1: but this is, this is, this is, this is the

1519
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 1: anal option. So you gotta get a great lube, gotta

1520
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: get your fingers in there in the loube. Start with

1521
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 1: one to three. After three, after you're after you're in

1522
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: with three, you go in with the trainer, take ahead

1523
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: of poppers, play your porn, whatever you want to do,

1524
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: and then you if you feel up for it, you can.

1525
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: You can work with the trainer for like a week

1526
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 1: or so, and then you move up to something right

1527
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: here and and then then and then and then and

1528
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 1: then you'll be ready. I would love to be able

1529
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 1: to fucking not be so skinnish about that. I I

1530
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: was very much in the same place as you are.

1531
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 1: And it's and it's this is just one of the

1532
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 1: things that we have to live with. It sucks, but

1533
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 1: it's but it's worth it once you get there. Sure,

1534
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: there you go being a stern verse stern what I

1535
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: really wanted us to be able to, like, be able

1536
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 1: to confidently say I'm verse. Okay, that's I have in

1537
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: the past been with someone that used a training builder

1538
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:40,600
Speaker 1: and it changed everything. All right, that's fine, Then I

1539
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: know what I have to do. Then I know what

1540
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: I must do. It sounded like you were singing one, two,

1541
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 1: three like the fingers I was dying three. I okay,

1542
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 1: and then can I ask you something? Sure? It changed

1543
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 1: everything for the better, because for me, it's like my

1544
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 1: my thing now is that like and I taking away

1545
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: something that is that gives me value as a sexual

1546
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 1: being where I I take pride in my I'm just

1547
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 1: gonna say, and my tightness and people comment on that,

1548
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: and then now now I'm worried that I'm like taking

1549
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 1: that away by like just getting worry about that. Great, Okay.

1550
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 1: I just feel like the kind of way I feel

1551
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: sexually lately is like I want to be like grabbed.

1552
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like the aggressor, you know

1553
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 1: what I mean. I don't feel like that right now,

1554
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: like in you want to be tossed around. Honestly, Like

1555
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 1: two years ago, I was like feeling very toppy, and

1556
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 1: now I'm like, you know, are no, And even with

1557
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,679
Speaker 1: my stash, I feel like I'm posturing as a top

1558
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 1: And meanwhile I'm like, I have this podcast, what do

1559
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: you mean? I feel like we're very bothered me our

1560
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: vocals whatever, that's um, there's no. When I was on

1561
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 1: Food for Thought, they were like shocked that I identified

1562
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: as a t o p oh whatever thought you were

1563
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:06,600
Speaker 1: a screaming musical fat fruit for thought. Boys, That is

1564
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: the type thought boys. That is not. That is politically

1565
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 1: uncouth of you to say, you guys, fran Dennis, I

1566
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: refuse your offer to replace Joe. Um, okay, this is it.

1567
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: This is I have been stressing from things that we

1568
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: could never ever, ever fucking do. Just you will. You

1569
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 1: will nail this. I promise. This is Leland's I don't

1570
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: think so, honey, And as time starts now, I don't

1571
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: think so, honey. Jazzy renditions of pop hits TikTok was

1572
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: not meant to be performed with a big band by

1573
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 1: a girl who's dressed like she's trying to seduce the

1574
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: dad from Mary popline of my favorite songs of all

1575
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: time is Toxic, And one time I accidentally clicked on

1576
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 1: a jazzy version on YouTube and it was like, oh,

1577
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 1: the taste of your lips im toxic, and I was like,

1578
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 1: absolutely not. I will tell you what's toxic. This version.

1579
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: Kathy Dennis, who famously wrote Toxic, is a songwriting icon.

1580
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 1: She's not dead, but if she were, she would roll

1581
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 1: over in her gray. The second of all, it's not jazz.

1582
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 1: Slowing down a song to have the speed and singing

1583
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: as high and as low as you can does not

1584
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 1: make it jazz. Singing and singing while dressed like you're

1585
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 1: in Chicago the musical is not jazz. And yeah, so

1586
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 1: also I want to say that if someone did a

1587
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 1: song that I wrote in a jazzy version, I would

1588
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: I would change my mind and love it. Also, Mario,

1589
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: I love you. I know, I know you've done some

1590
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: of these and I adore you and will always go

1591
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 1: to a show that you have that does this to

1592
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: cover your basis at the end, to be like, by

1593
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: the way, if someone were to cover one of my

1594
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 1: last seconds were a complete the last second, the last

1595
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: five seconds were just an insurance policy exactly, which also

1596
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:58,759
Speaker 1: I do genuinely, genuinely loath for me. It depends there's

1597
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: that there's that one YouTube like channel that does a

1598
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 1: bunch of them. It's like postmodern jukebox. I don't know.

1599
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say yeah, I was. I was

1600
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: so insecure about like doing this before. I was texting

1601
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: with Dave and he asked me if I had mine

1602
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: prepared and I and I sent, I said yes, and

1603
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: he said he agreed. I don't want to blast him,

1604
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 1: but he agreed, and he was like, yes, it's like

1605
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,719
Speaker 1: removing all of my favorite songs about things about about

1606
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: the song that top music now is like pretty much

1607
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 1: written to be like it is. I mean, but I

1608
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: do love when I hear a rendition of a song.

1609
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,719
Speaker 1: It can never be jazzy, but I love a ballad

1610
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: version of a song. Of course I love it on

1611
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:42,799
Speaker 1: a piano absolutely, Yes, I agree a ballad version I accept.

1612
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 1: I accept a sort of an unplugged situation where it's

1613
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 1: just guitar, like you know, but at what point that

1614
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 1: it becomes a slippery slip and the bottom of that

1615
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 1: hope is dr poppers. Is jazz okay? So slow down jazz? Honestly,

1616
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: would I could understand jazz? I yeah, I do love

1617
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: a big band. I love a big band night out,

1618
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,719
Speaker 1: but I don't but I don't want to hear toxic

1619
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 1: with a big band exactly. I want to hear like

1620
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 1: a big band classic that I've never heard of before.

1621
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 1: You know, I totally agree, and I would say that's culture.

1622
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: That's culture. This episode was culture. This episode I truly feel.

1623
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 1: I feel very lucky that we got to talk to

1624
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: you because we don't have a lot of like, um,

1625
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 1: we we should. We need to get more like songwriters.

1626
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: We need to get because that's culture. We have a

1627
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: lot of comedians on this show, and people think the

1628
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 1: show is funny. It's not funny, but this is not

1629
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: a comedy show. This is not comedy. This is We're serious. Yeah,

1630
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: we made we actually made a rule of culture before

1631
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 1: with christ and Sarah we said it's real culture number something.

1632
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: I am not funny, Yes, so we are. So we're

1633
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: just so lucky to have you with us. You're the best.

1634
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 1: Thank you, And what a quick friendship that's been struck

1635
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 1: up to in like seventy two hours. No, truly, I'm

1636
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: like I've seen him each day. I saw the weekend,

1637
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,599
Speaker 1: some Thursday, some Saturday song. You got him on Thursday,

1638
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: and I got him on Friday. I got a little

1639
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: photo booth moment. We did a handoff. We did a handoff.

1640
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 1: Oh wait, that photo booth picture was kind of iconic.

1641
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 1: That's going to be like a picture that. It was us, Darcy, Sarah, Sudy,

1642
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: so many fun people, and your friend Steve Stephen, who

1643
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 1: I love. He's wonderful. So it was like an art

1644
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 1: It was like a gift thing where we're just all moving.

1645
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: But Steven decides to do a R T P O

1646
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:35,600
Speaker 1: P the R pop and signs from Gaga. So I

1647
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: instantly was like, okay, you're you're Cannon, you get it.

1648
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 1: So canonically here with us, canonically here, Okay, we close

1649
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,560
Speaker 1: out every episode with a song. Yes we love, and

1650
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 1: we're going to close it out with a song. And

1651
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,600
Speaker 1: we know which one it is, do we it's you know,

1652
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: it's going to be one of two. And I'm feeling

1653
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: I love both, but I'm feeling one over the other

1654
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: right now in this moment here we go Here, We

1655
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: Go My Mom Night. Listen to bloom By try By.

1656
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: This has been a Forever Dog production executive produced by

1657
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:21,560
Speaker 1: Brett Bahum, Joe Silio, and Alex Ramsey. For more original podcasts,

1658
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 1: please visit Forever Dog Podcasts dot com and subscribe to

1659
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:29,680
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1660
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,800
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1661
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:37,320
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1662
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