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Speaker 5: the boy's very nasty to him in the chat this
Speaker 5: past week. It's okay, if anybody can do that, that's you.
Speaker 4: Shream.
Speaker 5: And then finally, one last thing on Housekeeping Wednesdays, the
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Speaker 4: we preview the weekend. The boy Taylor, he's been on
Speaker 4: the whiteboard the last couple of weeks. He will have
Speaker 4: been loving it. We've been seeing the comments. But yeah,
Speaker 4: come hang with the boys. We talk ball, talk a
Speaker 4: little ball, We talk a little ball.
Speaker 5: It's it's very nice. I hope you guys come and enjoy.
Speaker 5: Obviously to Landy Walker's there as well. Let's get into it, boys,
Speaker 5: what do we want to talk about first at the weekend?
Speaker 4: Is that all the housekeeping stuff we need to talk about?
Speaker 5: Well, what do you want to talk about?
Speaker 4: I'm just sitting I feel like I'm sitting in this
Speaker 4: busy surrounded by the enemy. Do you want to tell
Speaker 4: the people what you're talking about? Yeah? Volog dropped last
Speaker 4: Thursday on Halloween, of all the boys, all of BUS
Speaker 4: and TP in my house, TP and the boy Will
Speaker 4: how did that make you feel TP and A in
Speaker 4: the in the game of TP and in the game
Speaker 4: of Mischief Night. I respect it. I'm a fan of
Speaker 4: Mischief Night.
Speaker 5: Shoutout rocket power.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shout out rocket power. It was the in between
Speaker 4: that's got me, that's got me bothered, It's got me rattled.
Speaker 5: The in between being Wednesday was when we did TP.
Speaker 5: You're talking about Thursday before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I when I because I was in Chicago.
Speaker 4: I flew to Chicago Wednesday night, woke up Thursday morning
Speaker 4: the neighbor group chat. Hit the chat saying like, hey,
Speaker 4: do you guys have any extra toilet paper? We're out
Speaker 4: right now with a photo of our house being our
Speaker 4: tree and tree being t PEED. I saw that. So
Speaker 4: I'm going back and forth, back and forth a little
Speaker 4: bit in the neighbor group chat. I'm thinking in my head,
Speaker 4: my neighbors got me like, I'm thinking it's my neighbors
Speaker 4: like I'm ready to I'm ready to absolutely destroy their yard.
Speaker 4: JP reaches out. I'm thinking, we'll get the boys together,
Speaker 4: I'll get all the busing together, and we'll just we
Speaker 4: will absolutely dominate my neighbors. Because we were shooting the
Speaker 4: Pro Football Show early so I could get back for Halloween.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't until on the way to the to
Speaker 4: the airport in my uber to where I'm realizing, oh shit,
Speaker 4: maybe it wasn't my neighbors. Because my wife, Charles, She's like, hey,
Speaker 4: you've been you haven't really said a whole lot about
Speaker 4: the TV. And I'm like, what do you mean. I
Speaker 4: mean we kind of know who it is. It's our neighbors, right,
Speaker 4: And she's like, no, it wasn't them. They just saw
Speaker 4: it first. And then I'm like, oh shit, yeah, I
Speaker 4: guess you're right. I guess you're right. I guess all
Speaker 4: suspects are open here. I'm thinking to myself, obviously I've
Speaker 4: posted from my house before. It could be a fan
Speaker 4: that strove by because people have seen me out in
Speaker 4: the yard playing with the waffle, playing with the fam
Speaker 4: and shouted out the boy, the boy, and could them.
Speaker 4: Or it could be my own guys, Yeah, my own guys.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking enemy number one, parallel one, fair statement. I'm
Speaker 4: saying that's enemy number one. And from there, I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: all right, who else on the bus, who else on
Speaker 4: the squad helped him out? I'm sure he didn't do
Speaker 4: it solo dolo? So I come in, I land, I
Speaker 4: landed like one point thirty, come straight to the bus.
Speaker 4: We had to shoot the Nebraska high video, and I
Speaker 4: just start pressing everybody, I'm working with JP at first
Speaker 4: thought I was working with JP at.
Speaker 5: First, which is wild.
Speaker 4: He's using you know, I got got, I got got
Speaker 4: the end of the day. At the end of the day,
Speaker 4: I get over the TP part. I don't forget. I
Speaker 4: don't forget who lied to my face. I don't forget
Speaker 4: who lied to point all of them, everybody who didn't
Speaker 4: lie to you me. Yeah, but you were are you?
Speaker 4: He was like, Yo, I'm ready to go wherever you
Speaker 4: need me. I'm just like, I'm texting Tailor like I'm
Speaker 4: just disappointed because I'm thinking my head like it gotta
Speaker 4: be Taylor. I don't know how yet. There's a lot
Speaker 4: of lion that went on, and it was, uh, that's
Speaker 4: the hardest part. That's the hardest part.
Speaker 5: Right just knowing that you're essentially alone right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know that there's nobody. Trust I get
Speaker 4: my ass absolutely beat by the UCLA Bruins on Saturday,
Speaker 4: and you're just like, I got nobody right now, I
Speaker 4: got nothing to root for I'm just a whip dog.
Speaker 4: I'm a whip dog. I see South Carolina win. I
Speaker 4: want to say congratulations to JP, but I don't want
Speaker 4: to say no. I didn't text. He tried texting me
Speaker 4: about the brass. He's like, hey, you know this and that.
Speaker 4: I just look at it. I put my phone down. SUREM,
Speaker 4: I feel shuream. He's texting me every now and then.
Speaker 4: I can tell he's trying to feel out where my
Speaker 4: brain's at. But I just thumbs up and I say,
Speaker 4: sounds good. We can talk work. I can root for
Speaker 4: the boys, we can talk work. I can separate the two.
Speaker 4: But I I before I walked out of that building
Speaker 4: on Thursday, when I knew, I knew the entire team
Speaker 4: got me, I looked everybody in the face. I say,
Speaker 4: is there anything you guys want to tell you before
Speaker 4: I walk out of here? Because this will have implications
Speaker 4: we personally, personally, Will and I said no.
Speaker 5: Will and I went to a lunch on Wednesday, and
Speaker 5: then we obviously did.
Speaker 4: A lunch, a big lunch to where Taylor and I
Speaker 4: we sat in my truck and we had a great.
Speaker 5: Heart talk, a great heart to heart talk like one
Speaker 5: you look back and you're like, man top five probably.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah dead friendship seems strong.
Speaker 5: Wednesday night we did what we did and literally Thursday home, yeah,
Speaker 5: which we did. Unpack that in a second. Then Friday
Speaker 5: morning at what nine thirty, Yeah, we have a breakfast.
Speaker 5: We have a breakfast. We have to span on that
Speaker 5: Wednesday conversation, have.
Speaker 4: A big conversation, right, So we.
Speaker 5: Have a Friday breakfast and I have not spoke to
Speaker 5: Will about this. Literally, once the blog comes out, we
Speaker 5: don't even speak to her. I'm thinking of myself.
Speaker 4: He sends me a text, what's happy Halloween? We had
Speaker 4: the devil face, the smiley devil face. I just right back,
Speaker 4: Happy Halloween. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I don't even know. I think I'm out of
Speaker 5: showup to this breakfast by myself. Will and I we
Speaker 5: I walk into uh stay Golden.
Speaker 4: Late for the music, late for the breakfast.
Speaker 5: We see each other, we smile and then obviously business
Speaker 5: faces and we we spent sixty percent of that breakfast
Speaker 5: just talking about all the things that transpired Thursday afternoon
Speaker 5: when he was interrogating all of you, and what went
Speaker 5: through his head that he kind of basically explained a
Speaker 5: little bit. Now we'll gohd tirm.
Speaker 6: Hey, boss man, mister Compton, a quick question. We heard
Speaker 6: tell that there was possibly a rat amongst us, somebody
Speaker 6: that gave you a little intel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that happened. I mean again, when
Speaker 4: I left on Thursday, I knew that a vlog was
Speaker 4: coming out. I didn't know what time it was, and
Speaker 4: I knew that it was everybody in the building that
Speaker 4: got me. Who is the rat? I don't know. You
Speaker 4: was fucking ratting some people out in a way as well.
Speaker 4: You was ratting too, yea.
Speaker 1: That said it.
Speaker 4: Where we were talking, I was talking about the scope
Speaker 4: of the game and everything else, like you was even
Speaker 4: alluding to ship as well. You alluded to the ogs
Speaker 4: on the bus tour. In my brain then I saw,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm thinking, like, oh damn, JP's involved on this,
Speaker 4: because he's been trying to ally me the entire morning.
Speaker 5: It's going the way you wanted, shermtone this question.
Speaker 6: You let him split us up, do not let him
Speaker 6: slit us up there. But I was that there was
Speaker 6: one rat.
Speaker 4: But still you were bullshitting too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You were like, hey, who's not here right now? I
Speaker 4: was like, well, Taylor's not here? But he's never really here.
Speaker 5: Okay, hold on yeah.
Speaker 4: On Thursday, thay, yea on Thursday.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, I got he's never here. I
Speaker 4: got you. But I'm thinking Taylor, Taylor's involved in this.
Speaker 4: I already understand that. I'm thinking who else? And you're
Speaker 4: trying to get me to pay you when I've already
Speaker 4: given you, which is fucking crazy. When I've given you
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks, a couple of weeks ago, unexp
Speaker 4: offensive grill that'd have loaded into your truck, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: you want to give you more when I feel like
Speaker 4: I've given you enough. So he's like, you know, let
Speaker 4: me be your lead. He's like, let me be crazy.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'll just put you on the sind. I'll
Speaker 4: put you on the sind. And he's like, hey, I
Speaker 4: don't think Cooping and Jared would do it. He's like,
Speaker 4: I think you need to look at the OG's the
Speaker 4: back of the bus. Who would lead that? Who would
Speaker 4: lead that charge? So I go one by one on
Speaker 4: my Garrett. He's like, I don't know, you think Garret
Speaker 4: would lead? You think Garret would lead it? Like Jack?
Speaker 4: He's like, don't you think Jack out of that crew
Speaker 4: back there, you think he would lead it? And then
Speaker 4: I'm like, I think I have an idea who would
Speaker 4: lead it? But yeah, you was fucking.
Speaker 2: You said when you left Thursday you knew, so someone
Speaker 2: had to tell you.
Speaker 4: No one told me, No one told me who said it? Then?
Speaker 4: If I'm mine, who said it?
Speaker 6: I heard that demon snitch on the boys?
Speaker 4: Who'd you hear that?
Speaker 5: For those who don't know who demon is? Going say
Speaker 5: his full name, Jared.
Speaker 4: Jared's one who pulled the gun. If you watch the blog,
Speaker 4: he's the one who had a gun. What are you
Speaker 4: doing her?
Speaker 6: I heard guns slinging Beamon aka demon?
Speaker 4: Okay, well here here we are again. Who'd you hear
Speaker 4: it from?
Speaker 6: I have my sources. You a little bit of a
Speaker 6: little bit of scratch. I can put you in the
Speaker 6: right direction.
Speaker 5: Sure you can't blackmail your bosses?
Speaker 4: Is that black man? No, you're trying to get more
Speaker 4: reward from a brother's nothing to be rewarded from.
Speaker 5: That's not blackmail.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the inpos out there, that's a good point.
Speaker 7: That's a good point.
Speaker 4: So who said who said that? Jared rated demon?
Speaker 5: Demon? Demon told me? Demon ratting on himself. See what's
Speaker 5: happening here, boys, is we are slowly getting torn apart.
Speaker 5: This might be the thing that ends busting with the boys.
Speaker 4: Nobody told me.
Speaker 5: Yes, I knew, yeah, but bro, he texted me, I'm disappointing. Wait.
Speaker 4: Wait, that's when I called JP and I was like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck happened? He snitched without snitching? How did
Speaker 4: he do that? I can't tell you. Listen, I'm the
Speaker 4: one surrounded by all you guys. Why would I why
Speaker 4: would I say anything to help you out? Boys?
Speaker 5: We know what we have to do. We gotta get Beaman.
Speaker 5: We gotta end Beaman. We had to blow up his
Speaker 5: house or something. Oh, he's an apartment. We got to
Speaker 5: steal his cat, mister pupper Nicol? What's his dog? What's
Speaker 5: his cat's names? Biscuits? Just a man that lives by
Speaker 5: himself with a cat. We're taking that cat. We're taking
Speaker 5: that cat.
Speaker 4: Does he have a girlfriend? Is it his girlfriend's cat?
Speaker 7: He said that, He says they got it together, but
Speaker 7: it's at his place?
Speaker 1: What is no?
Speaker 5: No, you don't get a cat together with someone you
Speaker 5: don't live with. You get a cat, right?
Speaker 1: God damn.
Speaker 5: I did almost like a photo it the other day
Speaker 5: because I had to go to pet Smart. I was
Speaker 5: kind of banged up on a couple of cans, and
Speaker 5: I'm just standing in line with cat food in my hands,
Speaker 5: and this dude in front of me is a cart
Speaker 5: with like three bay ass bags of dog food. Looks
Speaker 5: back at me and kind of like smirked and then
Speaker 5: stayed back and liund like God damn it. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 5: I don't control my world. I'll tell you guys right now,
Speaker 5: I do not cold when I go home. I'm a minority.
Speaker 5: I got I get picked on, I get beat up.
Speaker 5: Low tea household, very low tea household. So that's what
Speaker 5: I'm fucking dealing with. We all got problems. Will, Yeah,
Speaker 5: you're dealing with a little bit of Tpee.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, well, you had, up until that point, you
Speaker 4: had an ally outside of your household. And I would
Speaker 4: think to myself, like I can count on Will. What
Speaker 4: a loyal Like what an incredible friend. And I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go in Tpe's house while he's gone.
Speaker 5: This is the same incredible friend. I can't wait for
Speaker 5: Michigan's downfall. Lie when I lie to you?
Speaker 4: I said it to your face, though.
Speaker 5: But when did I When did I lie to you?
Speaker 4: When did I lie to you? What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Are you want the T when you're saying, oh, is
Speaker 4: this the part where you blame me for TP in
Speaker 4: your house? Will?
Speaker 5: I didn't do it wherever you need me? And I
Speaker 5: thought I didn't say I didn't do.
Speaker 4: It well because part of me sits there. The damage
Speaker 4: has already done. And I don't want to have to
Speaker 4: ask the question because I don't want you to lie
Speaker 4: to me through text.
Speaker 5: Oh let's see.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: Will Compton just well he sends a gift, black guy
Speaker 5: doing this and what a gift?
Speaker 1: Will?
Speaker 5: What do you want? How can I help you? Text
Speaker 5: me back? Just disappointed?
Speaker 4: Lool? And what is this the part where you start
Speaker 4: blaming for the TP?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 5: We still get a stake gold tomorrow? And then no response.
Speaker 5: I didn't say nothing about I did it or didn't
Speaker 5: do it. You knew I fucking did it. My brain
Speaker 5: went to my neighbor did it? Is just crazy? You
Speaker 5: should have seen that photo immediately thought to yourself, Taylor.
Speaker 4: Well, because I woke up in the morning, Uh, my
Speaker 4: phone was there was already text suit, So I kind
Speaker 4: of look, you know, I'm kind of like I need
Speaker 4: to get in the shower. I need to go get
Speaker 4: over to HQ to do the Pro Football Football Show.
Speaker 4: And so I'm just thinking that, you know, my neighbors
Speaker 4: had fun and just got the solo tree because they're like, hey,
Speaker 4: is there any more you guys have any more TP
Speaker 4: We've ran out and they were the ones that sent
Speaker 4: the first picture. So I'm just thinking like, they must
Speaker 4: have just had fun life, right, So that's why I
Speaker 4: thought that. I wasn't thinking to myself like somebody you know,
Speaker 4: got me until I realized like, oh damn, maybe it
Speaker 4: goes beyond the neighbors, Like damn.
Speaker 5: I want you guys in the back of the bus
Speaker 5: to know that I've already hired security. I have security
Speaker 5: at my house at night every night from here on out.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna come out the house
Speaker 5: sometime find out.
Speaker 4: Mitch, whooah. Aren't you guys on the same team?
Speaker 5: You bro? You know this was this was nine individuals.
Speaker 5: This is nine individuals working as one for one night.
Speaker 5: Now we know, yeah, we think of what's next. Who's next?
Speaker 4: Said I couldn't be part of it, said I couldn't
Speaker 4: be part of it. Maybe that's maybe that's part of
Speaker 4: it as well. But I'm not gonna get revenge. You
Speaker 4: don't got to worry about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah whatever.
Speaker 4: You know what they say about revenge on the journey
Speaker 4: to revenge start by digging two graves, one for your
Speaker 4: enemy and another for yourself. I disagree with Marcus Aurelius.
Speaker 4: The best revenge is to be unlike the person who
Speaker 4: injured you.
Speaker 5: Frank Sinatra, the best revenge is mass success.
Speaker 4: M James Bond just saying, I just I just want
Speaker 4: guys to know disappointed. I'm hurt and I won't forget.
Speaker 5: Let's continue the hurt. What happened with UCLA and Nebraska
Speaker 5: this weekend?
Speaker 4: Dog, I don't know, man.
Speaker 5: It was an off day for Raola. Off day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just tough. You know, you take Ohio State into
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter and you'd think you're not gonna allow
Speaker 4: a two and five team to come in to Memorial
Speaker 4: and beat you right, handle you kind of like to
Speaker 4: handle this. We came on late. But again it's like
Speaker 4: even if we would have won that game, you know,
Speaker 4: the speech and locker room is like, guys, we gotta
Speaker 4: get we gotta get rolling sooner. We can't wait until
Speaker 4: the second half to get to get shit going.
Speaker 5: You got to start the fight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you gotta start because even coming out of
Speaker 4: the second half, you throw we throw a pick six. Yeah, man,
Speaker 4: it sucks. Man. I don't I don't know. I don't
Speaker 4: have I don't have words for the uh, for the
Speaker 4: fan base. I do know. We're sitting at five and
Speaker 4: four right now, with a bye week and three winnable games.
Speaker 4: UCLA was a winnable game for US. I think everybody
Speaker 4: before the year started, you chalk Ohio State up as
Speaker 4: a loss, whether or not we felt like we had
Speaker 4: a shot. Whatever it is when you're just trying to
Speaker 4: be as unbiasas possibles out. Okay, we could see us
Speaker 4: dropping this game in Columbus after a bye week or
Speaker 4: after them having a bye week, and uh, you look
Speaker 4: at these next you look at these next four. I
Speaker 4: think before that you would have thought USC would be
Speaker 4: a good team. They're not a very good team. You'd
Speaker 4: think Wisconsin would be a lot stronger than they are.
Speaker 4: I think they're a winnable game as well. And obviously
Speaker 4: I was a they can be tough, like that's a
Speaker 4: battle for the border. But you have three winnable games
Speaker 4: We're in the same spot where we won five. Last year.
Speaker 4: We were sitting there again at what five and four,
Speaker 4: five and three, and then we lose out. We ended
Speaker 4: up five and seven, and we're sitting here again five
Speaker 4: and four. You have three winnable games and you don't
Speaker 4: want to fucking end up five and seven.
Speaker 5: Don't even say it.
Speaker 4: I'm saying but, but that's like the reality. That's the reality,
Speaker 4: and that sucks. What the positive is? Yeah, the positive
Speaker 4: we can be eight and four. But I'm not inside
Speaker 4: the building. I'm not oneide the locker room. I'm not
Speaker 4: inside those kids' minds. Like, I know, you sit there
Speaker 4: and you can win out and you know, ended on
Speaker 4: a good note, go bowling again. We had the opportunity
Speaker 4: to go to to uh to be eligible for a
Speaker 4: Bowl game with a win over UCLA. We still do
Speaker 4: each game, but we got to figure it out on
Speaker 4: the shoulders catch we can win games. It's just you've
Speaker 4: got to fucking put the product out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I get it.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: I know the pain.
Speaker 5: I'm dealing with the team with the same record.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know the same record, Like we're obviously
Speaker 4: different programs. Right now, what do you mean, we've had
Speaker 4: a Come on, man, we have the same record, I know.
Speaker 4: But you guys, you guys won a national title last year,
Speaker 4: Like everybody knew this would be kind of a rebuild
Speaker 4: year for you guys.
Speaker 5: Do you think it was gonna be this.
Speaker 4: I don't think it was gonna be this.
Speaker 5: Vegas didn't think so Vegas has it nine and a
Speaker 5: half wins?
Speaker 4: Was it nine and a half? Yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think I imagined Michigan being in the spot
Speaker 4: that you guys are in right now. I knew that
Speaker 4: there'd be a rebuild like you guys could have probably
Speaker 4: been like a nine and three ten and two tie
Speaker 4: team as well. I was thinking before the year started
Speaker 4: with it coming down to probably the Ohio State game
Speaker 4: at the end of the year. Yeah. No, I absolutely
Speaker 4: did not, thank you guys would be in the spot
Speaker 4: that you're in now.
Speaker 5: To me, it's with Michigan. If we just had a
Speaker 5: more of a consistent play at quarterback, we're in a
Speaker 5: much much better position right now.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know who we have. We got
Speaker 5: Indiana an the end of this week. That's a tough
Speaker 5: ball club. That's a ridiculous ball club.
Speaker 4: Then after that you've.
Speaker 5: Got Northwestern winnable and then Ohio State at the end
Speaker 5: of the year. And I'm telling you, dude, you just
Speaker 5: throw records at the window when it comes to these
Speaker 5: kind of rivalries. You see Ohio State with Nebraska last.
Speaker 4: Week for sure, like Ohio States to be able to
Speaker 4: be in a close in close games that they shouldn't.
Speaker 5: Be and Michigan mentally has them right now, right mentally
Speaker 5: has them.
Speaker 4: So in the mentality plays because you look at the
Speaker 4: you look at this past weekend with Ohio State Penn State. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like Penn State's I mean, they got the roster
Speaker 4: to compete and the way that two.
Speaker 5: Yard line and they're in the same play three times
Speaker 5: in a row. That's just wild. People are already saying,
Speaker 5: James Franklin, we got to get rid of this guy.
Speaker 5: Team is consistently ranked in the top ten every single
Speaker 5: year and then people.
Speaker 4: Are called I want to say, a crazy stat that
Speaker 4: I saw is that Penn State is like one in
Speaker 4: twenty two since two thousand and yeah, since two thousand
Speaker 4: with James Franklin, he's now one in thirteen one.
Speaker 5: Been there top five teams, You're saying right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: verst a top five, which is it's a it's a
Speaker 5: horrible feeling to be in that sort of position. Penn
Speaker 5: State yet one and twenty two against top five teams
Speaker 5: is two thousand. That's just fucking tough. And that game
Speaker 5: was winnable, very winnable, which is crazy.
Speaker 4: I know, man.
Speaker 5: Through a pick six.
Speaker 4: Refs are always sussing the fucking big ten.
Speaker 5: Dude. Refs just need to fucking calm down a little bit.
Speaker 5: There is too much laundry on the field. Let the
Speaker 5: boys play, let them get a little chippy, let them
Speaker 5: get after little bit.
Speaker 4: That's fun.
Speaker 5: You want to enjoy that, Let's let's flip it over
Speaker 5: some positive. Well, actually, one more thing, Dan Lanning, you're
Speaker 5: a piece of ship for going for scoring with fifteen
Speaker 5: seconds left in the game.
Speaker 4: Covered, that's all I say. Late cover by landing.
Speaker 5: I like landing.
Speaker 4: I know that.
Speaker 5: Don't fucking pull the photo up.
Speaker 4: They're just playing ball. He has no clue.
Speaker 5: He could have took a kne and moved on.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you this. Head coaches have no clue what
Speaker 4: spreads are. That is such a fun.
Speaker 5: Take the photo off the screen, Take theode that was
Speaker 5: that was a few weeks ago. That was that was
Speaker 5: uh me celebrating in Ohio state loss.
Speaker 4: Was what that was.
Speaker 5: That was me celebrating Ohio State loss. We don't need
Speaker 5: to have that on the screen.
Speaker 4: You know what's great about that photo is it all
Speaker 4: played out in reality, like he's got you by the shirt,
Speaker 4: pulling you around. Relax. I'll just say he celebrated with
Speaker 4: you just knowing like I'm about the dummy. Yeah, literally
Speaker 4: just holding me by the dummy.
Speaker 5: That's like a movie scene from The Departed, like so
Speaker 5: many people just he just helped me with something, but
Speaker 5: knowing he's gonna get me in just a moment. Yeah, heartbreak,
Speaker 5: hotel dude.
Speaker 4: Heart. Yeah.
Speaker 5: That was a tough game and we were fucking in
Speaker 5: it too. We were in it. We'd go for a
Speaker 5: fourth down in the red zone to get it, don't
Speaker 5: get it.
Speaker 1: They end up scoring.
Speaker 4: It's just.
Speaker 5: And also back shoulder throw in Oregon's first drive, there's
Speaker 5: a back shoulder throw on ball. They kicked the pat
Speaker 5: Will Johnson on Will john Will Johnson didn't play. He
Speaker 5: didn't play that game.
Speaker 4: Is he number two?
Speaker 5: He's number two, but he didn't play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was on him.
Speaker 5: Bro I'm telling you he wasn't in the game. He
Speaker 5: had here's a lower legg injury. He did not play.
Speaker 5: I even googled it. Oh yeah, twelve yeah, the one
Speaker 5: snuck in there, but he drops this ball. They kicked
Speaker 5: the pat and then they show the replay. You guys
Speaker 5: are gonna tell me, we have all this technology in
Speaker 5: the rule now, all these camerangles, and no one's gonna
Speaker 5: say nothing until after it's over. That's pretty raw. Wild
Speaker 5: And on the same exact drive, blocking the back that
Speaker 5: would have taken them out of field goal wings that
Speaker 5: was not called very obvious blocking the back, Dan Michigan
Speaker 5: doesn't get the fourth down. Those three things happen, Michigan
Speaker 5: wins that ball game.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys are ever winning.
Speaker 5: But what are you talking about? Thirty yeah, thirty eight
Speaker 5: twenty one, Yeah it was Moonmoir was close. Yes, thirty
Speaker 5: eight seventeen lay cover.
Speaker 4: Thank god, I play an.
Speaker 5: I just crazy that Landing wants to do that to
Speaker 5: the raiding national champs. That's wild.
Speaker 4: Wait, the new Apex Predator, man Ducks, the Ultimate Apex
Speaker 4: Predator is now a done. One of the most fragile
Speaker 4: things out there is going to be in the Big
Speaker 4: Ten championship. Indiana and organ I think so too, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think so to.
Speaker 5: Indian is a strong ball club. Who is Spagnetti? What's
Speaker 5: it these days?
Speaker 4: Signetti?
Speaker 5: That guy with him hitting the press conference google me
Speaker 5: I win quote like dude, that is and then just
Speaker 5: continues to do what he does. You put on an
Speaker 5: Indiana ball game right now, the commenteers are saying, this
Speaker 5: guy from Olivar and that guy from FSU. This guy
Speaker 5: transfers out the ass. This dude said, fuck a rebuild.
Speaker 5: We're gonna go in to blooming was it Bloomfield? Bloomingdale?
Speaker 5: What the hell is is this Bloomington? And we're just
Speaker 5: gonna rewrite history with this ball club. That is nuts.
Speaker 4: It's gonna come down to that last game of the
Speaker 4: year Indiana at Hawaii at at Hawaii at That's gonna
Speaker 4: be the plane that game. Yeah, that'll be an awesome game. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean Indiana. Indiana's playing well, man, they're rolling ranked.
Speaker 5: You gotta watch Michigan. They gotta watch out from Michigan.
Speaker 5: I'm just telling you.
Speaker 4: For sure, they can't like overlook any of these games.
Speaker 4: Is he sorry? So here's our predictions. The first college
Speaker 4: football playoff. Like ranking comes out tonight as you're listening
Speaker 4: to this episode, and we had some rankings at the
Speaker 4: beginning of the year. Let's see how we've done. I
Speaker 4: have in there Georgia, Ohio State, Texas, Florida State, Oh
Speaker 4: my god, what a brutal pick the ACC now is
Speaker 4: gonna be SMU or yeah, yeah, SMU or Miami. Then
Speaker 4: I had Alabama. I don't think they get in Oregon, Utah, which, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's bad pick. Oh miss bad pick, Nebraska, bad pick.
Speaker 4: Notre Dame. Notre Dame can get in with the rest
Speaker 4: of their schedule. Tennessee isn't an interesting is in an
Speaker 4: interesting spot. They could still get in Oklahoma State bad pick.
Speaker 4: I think the big twelve Man's gonna come down to
Speaker 4: Kansas State. They just lost. Yeah, yeah, but they still
Speaker 4: had they can still they can still went out because
Speaker 4: they got I think believe they got Iowa State, which
Speaker 4: is gonna come down to Kansas State. Iowa State. I
Speaker 4: think Colorado. Oh yeah, my fault, my fault. No disrespect
Speaker 4: to BYU, No disrespected by U. Yeah, b Yu's in there. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: I completely forgot about BYU. That's on me. But yeah,
Speaker 4: even Colorado can still do it. Bro They're a two
Speaker 4: loss team right now and they have a schedule that
Speaker 4: they can win out on right good ball clubs, but
Speaker 4: they'll be they could be on the outside looking at it.
Speaker 4: Like let's say b YU bring up BYU the rest
Speaker 4: of their schedule, because yeah, BYU has Utah, Arizona State, Kansas,
Speaker 4: and Houston, they could win out. Say i would State
Speaker 4: takes care of business. It'd be b YU and Iowa State.
Speaker 4: And if Colorado's in there at like a you know,
Speaker 4: a two lost team on the outside looking in. If
Speaker 4: BYU Throttle's Iowa State, like Colorado could be looking at
Speaker 4: a spot, a late spot to get in there, that
Speaker 4: would be crazy. That'd be crazy. Man.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna skip over my first name that I have Michigan, yep,
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna go Texas, Georgia, Oregon, Notre Dame, Ole,
Speaker 5: Miss Ohio State, l s U, Tennessee, Alabama, MISSOO. That's
Speaker 5: a tough one. That's a tough one. And then I
Speaker 5: had Iowa in there as well. A couple of yikes
Speaker 5: right there.
Speaker 4: How many do you think it's in from the SEC?
Speaker 4: You guys have a better pulse on the SEC. Right now,
Speaker 4: SEC is wide open. It's wide open. All of college
Speaker 4: football is wide open.
Speaker 8: Probably three Georgia, Texas, Georgia Tennessee play next. Now this
Speaker 8: coming weekend with the next Tennessee, we have Missippi State,
Speaker 8: then Georgia, and then I feel like it'll probably be
Speaker 8: pretty cemented in who's going to be in. But then
Speaker 8: you have Tennessee closes with Vandy and they could they
Speaker 8: could shake ship Vanderbilt, so kind of scary. But yeah,
Speaker 8: I think probably Georgia, Texas, Ole, miss or Tennessee.
Speaker 5: Where is the Vandy Tennessee game?
Speaker 8: I believe it's at in Knoxville.
Speaker 5: It's in Knoxville, is it?
Speaker 2: You go?
Speaker 4: That's gonna be.
Speaker 8: Feah Yeah, I'll go tier for sure.
Speaker 4: How many South Carolina had a massive win bro over
Speaker 4: A and M you guys finish out being a three
Speaker 4: loss team, Like, there's gonna be a few three loss
Speaker 4: SEC teams that are going to be argued about to
Speaker 4: get in the collegetball playoffs.
Speaker 2: There's so many good three loss team Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 2: really the it's so funny just with Vanderbilt, Like this week,
Speaker 2: South Carolina versus Vanderbilt is massive.
Speaker 4: Big implications, huge implications.
Speaker 2: I know, I have to go to a freaking wedding
Speaker 2: in Franklin. So I'm gonna go Friday night to the hotel.
Speaker 2: See if I can see if I can't, talk to
Speaker 2: the team, talk to Beamer, make sure we stay on
Speaker 2: the right path.
Speaker 1: Bru No, I.
Speaker 5: Mean the fall. Isn't this your second one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, fall weddings.
Speaker 2: In the fact that it's here in town, I know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's painful.
Speaker 4: Brutal, but yeah, dude, it's gonna be.
Speaker 5: This is the best year possible to have a twelve
Speaker 5: team playoff.
Speaker 4: This is gonna be.
Speaker 5: It's yes, Like last year you saw kind of the
Speaker 5: top six, seven teams, it was, it was pretty much
Speaker 5: laid out where it was at.
Speaker 4: But this year it's like who.
Speaker 5: Knows and what everyone has shown blemishes Georgia this week
Speaker 5: against Florida and literally could have lost. That was rooting
Speaker 5: for Florida to win that game, just because I love chaos,
Speaker 5: like nothing against the dogs. You just kind of put
Speaker 5: it on. You're like, oh, ship, yeah, let's see this
Speaker 5: go down right now. Always rooting for Vandy for some
Speaker 5: gotta be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gotta be Oregon. Oregon has to be I
Speaker 2: feel like head and shoulders above everyone else, not head
Speaker 2: and shoulders.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like as of right now, the way their.
Speaker 2: Season has gone to they do get better every single year.
Speaker 5: Here's what I worry about, dude, is when we were
Speaker 5: in Oregon watching the Sohiono State, like you see Ohio
Speaker 5: State run out of tunnel, their boys are bigger, like
Speaker 5: just talking about like in the trenches. Their boys are bigger, stouter,
Speaker 5: like they had a look about them that Oregon. I
Speaker 5: don't really see. I don't see organ like having the
Speaker 5: durability or they're like the move when it comes down
Speaker 5: to true trench warfare at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: like the SEC you see them cats and we're in
Speaker 5: LSU last year or at watching Tennessee warm up versus Alabama, Right,
Speaker 5: you just kind of worry about some animals in those Yes, bro,
Speaker 5: they got some fucking studs.
Speaker 4: And because every week from here on out, it's gonna
Speaker 4: have implications, which makes the college for a playoff that
Speaker 4: much more fun. It's like even with the NFL, when
Speaker 4: teams are like on the Friends, you're kind of like
Speaker 4: you're trying to play ahead to be like, Okay, they
Speaker 4: need this to happen. To get in the playoffs. That's
Speaker 4: just gonna be happening with college football.
Speaker 5: But yeah, because dude, being in the locker room and
Speaker 5: being like, okay, all right, if the Colts dropped two
Speaker 5: out of three and this team and you're just like
Speaker 5: in that moment of like, oh we still have a
Speaker 5: path of the play offs, right, that is like the
Speaker 5: best feeling. Actually that's actually not the best feeling. The
Speaker 5: best things when you already locked it up, you got a.
Speaker 4: First sea scroll down on this top twenty five, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: the worst team right now is ranked twenty five. Louisville
Speaker 4: and Vanderbilt at twenty four and twenty five, both at
Speaker 4: three lost teams. Like every team in the top twenty
Speaker 4: five has a has a path. Like if you're in
Speaker 4: the Big twelve or the ACC, maybe not as much,
Speaker 4: but if you're in the SEC Big ten's got some cats.
Speaker 4: Like it's going to be nuts, bro. Every game is
Speaker 4: gonna have implications, which is gonna make it that much
Speaker 4: more fun every week to tune in on Saturday.
Speaker 6: One thing that people are bringing up is Army plays
Speaker 6: Notre Dame in two weeks. Army is still undefeated.
Speaker 4: If Army don't know don't know. But if Army.
Speaker 6: Beats a top ten Notre Dame team and then they
Speaker 6: win the American and Boise State wins out and wins
Speaker 6: the Mountain West. Under the current rules, there's only one
Speaker 6: group of five champion that would like you make it
Speaker 6: if you're the top ranked conference champion of a group
Speaker 6: of five? Right, But could Army or Boise still sneak
Speaker 6: into that top twelve just based solely on their record? Like,
Speaker 6: have both Boise and Army make it?
Speaker 4: I mean if Army is undefeated, man, if they especially
Speaker 4: if you're sitting.
Speaker 5: Here State Florida State was undefeated last year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that this is a yeah, there's a twelve
Speaker 4: team playoff. Now, I think if you're sitting there and
Speaker 4: I think there's all these good teams in the SEC.
Speaker 4: But if you're sitting there arguing over SEC three loss
Speaker 4: teams to get in and Army sitting there undefeated, it's
Speaker 4: like you have to go. You know, That's why the
Speaker 4: regular season matters, Right, regular season matters?
Speaker 6: Would you put him in over a one loss Bois
Speaker 6: and their only losses to Oregon the number one team?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't know. This is gonna be awesome, Yeah,
Speaker 4: because if Notre Dame Notre Dame team, I think there
Speaker 4: they'd be out of it.
Speaker 5: Scatable went off this week, dude, Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I thought with this nil thing that guys would more,
Speaker 5: teams would separate themselves, like the kind of the premiere
Speaker 5: programs would separate more and more. But it seems like
Speaker 5: it's getting more scattered than ever. Like the teams are
Speaker 5: just coming out of the woodwork, grabbing these other five
Speaker 5: star guys that just didn't want to wait in line
Speaker 5: at these like Alabamas, at these Georgia's, and they're just
Speaker 5: going to other places. They're really they're really doing.
Speaker 4: So it's gonna be sick. It's gonna be sick. Coaching
Speaker 4: is getting exposed, no doubt about it. And we want
Speaker 4: to hit some NFL Sure, we'll pop.
Speaker 5: Into it, dude, let's pop in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, that's a great call, mitge let's
Speaker 4: hit let's hit an AD, let's hit an ad. Read well,
Speaker 4: you hit out, I'm gonna pay okay, Yeah, go tinkle,
Speaker 4: go tinkle. Great one right here, because there's some ups
Speaker 4: and downs and the you know that I had in
Speaker 4: the sports book over the weekend the NFL season is
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Speaker 4: get right. I mean, Derrick Henry, Derrick Henry got two
Speaker 4: for us. The only council is one. We had Derek
Speaker 4: Kennon where we had a Swift from the Bears, and
Speaker 4: we had Dy have Montgomery from the Lions. Jamior Gibbs scores.
Speaker 4: I wanted to kill myself because it's like which one
Speaker 4: do you pick? There? They all have a lot of
Speaker 4: touchdowns on that team lines I know, and then a'm
Speaker 4: and Ross saying brown. It's like, why not bet on?
Speaker 4: That dude's doing the whole His selling in the end
Speaker 4: zone was incredible. Who else tried it?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 4: Drake London from Atlanta?
Speaker 1: Did you see where that started from? No incarnate word,
Speaker 1: which is like a D two is school.
Speaker 7: This wide receiver just randomly did it.
Speaker 4: I love that. It's awesome he got a flag. I
Speaker 4: love that. But we all were struggling into the touchdown world. Now,
Speaker 4: something we're hopeful about. Christian McCaffrey will be active this week.
Speaker 4: Forty nine ers. We'll have to put that one in obviously,
Speaker 4: You right, Derrick Henry office you right? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Are you talking about the boys parlay?
Speaker 4: That one was on me?
Speaker 5: That was on me.
Speaker 4: This week, I picked de Andre Swift. Bro. It's a team. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a team every Thursday. It's a team effort. I know.
Speaker 5: I thought I snuck one in though, because I saw
Speaker 5: him playing against the Commanders last week and I was like, this, Bro,
Speaker 5: this dude is really the offense, right and when the
Speaker 5: success comes with him, and I figured they get into
Speaker 5: the tight red zone and be able to put it in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's nothing. Bears in trouble. Bears are in trouble. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I see Big Ketty, he's having a tough time. He's
Speaker 4: they're ready to fire ibra flus, iberfluss, ibraflus something.
Speaker 5: It's that time of the year, man. People are just
Speaker 5: all over the place calling for people's heads, left, right
Speaker 5: and center.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a scary time. It's a scary time to
Speaker 4: be a head coach in the NFL with a losing
Speaker 4: re Who do you think comes out of the uh? Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's another thing that happened. NFC South shake up. The
Speaker 4: Saints fired head coach Dennis Allen. They started off owing two.
Speaker 4: They've lost seven straight. Dennis Allen two and oh they
Speaker 4: start off two? And oh? What did I say?
Speaker 5: They start off two?
Speaker 1: And oh?
Speaker 5: Outscoring their opponents, and like, I think they scored ninety
Speaker 5: points in their first two games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like we're just going off.
Speaker 5: Michael Thomas gets on Twitter, He's going to start bad
Speaker 5: mouth Derek Carr and stuff like that, throwing crazy shots.
Speaker 4: Crazy.
Speaker 5: You see Derek Carr's press.
Speaker 4: Conference that he handled it as well as he could.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I didn't see it. I'm not going to see it.
Speaker 5: I usually ignore the good and the bad by just
Speaker 5: trying to focus on my job. Derek Carr, true pro
Speaker 5: gotta love that.
Speaker 7: Derek car is also out there throwing hospital balls toys.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's what Michael Thomas said, So damn gonna That
Speaker 5: wasn't us, that was that was Mitch Carsley. The mit
Speaker 5: cars said that. Go and quote him.
Speaker 4: I didn't see the fantasy lineup too. Thought it was
Speaker 4: gonna be bombs over back dad.
Speaker 7: Getting close to that, to a territory of like should
Speaker 7: he play? Should he not play?
Speaker 4: Oh? Really? He get hurt again off the field, stretchered.
Speaker 7: That's the second there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sucks.
Speaker 4: The South right now is going to come down to
Speaker 4: the Falcons and Bucks.
Speaker 5: I think the Falcons.
Speaker 4: I think the Falcons too. Yeah, but it's gonna have.
Speaker 5: They lost a couple of guys, dude, but don't sleep
Speaker 5: on Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 4: I know, I know into it like the Bucks could
Speaker 4: still make the playoffs. That the NFC North is wide open.
Speaker 4: You got the Lions, Vikings, Packers. Now, the Lions are
Speaker 4: just a different fucking team.
Speaker 5: They handled business all day yesterday against the Packers.
Speaker 4: I think I think it was Orlowsky. He tweeted out
Speaker 4: this morning that in the last you know, however many games,
Speaker 4: they've put up ninety six points a plus north of
Speaker 4: one hundred you know, point differential. I mean, you got
Speaker 4: offensive lineman scoring touchdowns. They just absolutely destroyed teams. Man
Speaker 4: Randy game yesterday with the Packers came down to the wire.
Speaker 4: Packers are a tough team, well coached team, yeah, O'Connell.
Speaker 4: With the Vikings, they're well coach football team. The North
Speaker 4: is going to be crazy. That's gonna be a crazy
Speaker 4: finish this year. Do you think they sneak in three teams?
Speaker 4: You got the NFC wes is absolutely wide open everybody
Speaker 4: within a game. Cardinals sitting at the top five and
Speaker 4: four right now, Seattle's at the bottom four and five.
Speaker 4: Niners are four and four Rams are four and four.
Speaker 4: I mean what sucked with the Rams is Puka throws
Speaker 4: a shot, theres a punch and somebody gets kicked out
Speaker 4: of the game. I mean the Rams are gonna be
Speaker 4: a tough team. I don't know who comes out of
Speaker 4: the West because Murray's playing well.
Speaker 5: He's playing well, but he worries you about the consistency,
Speaker 5: like wins.
Speaker 4: On the history. Yeah, based on the history of the Cardinals.
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna come down to either.
Speaker 5: And then you see the commanders of the NFC East.
Speaker 4: I think the commander. I think the Commanders win the
Speaker 4: NFC East. Bro I think the Commanders win the NFC
Speaker 4: I think I think the Eagles have the roster. I
Speaker 4: think when it comes down to coaching, the Commander's got it. Man.
Speaker 4: Saquan's a beast. He's changed the game. Like you look
Speaker 4: at Derek.
Speaker 5: He's gonna change He's gonna change video games. Next year,
Speaker 5: they're gonna have the backwards hurdle. Is that not the
Speaker 5: most insane thing we've ever seen in our lives? And
Speaker 5: it wasn't even the backwards hurdle. It was the the
Speaker 5: juke followed by the spin, followed by the elongated lag
Speaker 5: to the turnaround. Yeah, he's off.
Speaker 4: I mean those he thinks that's teenage mutant ninja turtleship right, that.
Speaker 5: Is John Wick choreographed fight ship. Dude like that as
Speaker 5: if him and the dB.
Speaker 4: Plan that.
Speaker 5: Insane.
Speaker 4: Bro just had his rear view mina.
Speaker 5: If somebody's there, Bank just popped it on over. That
Speaker 5: is wild. That's football porn. You can go back and
Speaker 5: watch that video over and over again, just be like, Yo,
Speaker 5: this is unreal.
Speaker 4: But the Eagles got the roster. I just think it
Speaker 4: when you know, coming down to situation, coaching and everything else,
Speaker 4: I think the Commander's got the edge there.
Speaker 5: Dan Quinn's a stud he is, But dude, I just
Speaker 5: hype in the locker room.
Speaker 4: Bro Jane Dais was playing well, obviously hurts he's a
Speaker 4: stud about head coach here, DQ Siriani, I'm going dan.
Speaker 5: Quinn, listen, you get you get to the end of November,
Speaker 5: and that's when that rookie wall really starts to hit.
Speaker 5: Guys are so used to be putting to playing that
Speaker 5: third week, fourth week of November and college their first
Speaker 5: year in the league. More times than not, you see
Speaker 5: a drop off. And that's why I give the edge
Speaker 5: to the Eagles right now. I just think the Eagles
Speaker 5: they have the players, they have the talent. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 5: coaching is a little better, but when it comes to
Speaker 5: a guy who's really crushing it like Jaden Daniels and
Speaker 5: you get to that December, I think everyone does it
Speaker 5: to some extent and it's gonna the way the records
Speaker 5: are shaken out right now. It's close. It's close. Personally,
Speaker 5: I would like to see the commanders when the East
Speaker 5: because it's exciting. I want it for you, I want
Speaker 5: it for that team. I want it for Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 5: That's exciting to me. But you see the Eagles. Man,
Speaker 5: the Eagles have so much talent and they have you know,
Speaker 5: they got guys like Lane Johnson. It's upsetting that Jason Kelsey,
Speaker 5: he's over there spiking phones. He's not able to be
Speaker 5: in the locker room helping the boys out. But bro,
Speaker 5: you want to unpack that for a second.
Speaker 4: Yeah we can also a J Brown went down as well. Yeah,
Speaker 4: what do you have knee? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think like not like a little meniscus deal, like
Speaker 5: a small little minuses. That's always a real grade one
Speaker 5: m cl hopefully.
Speaker 9: Like he was walking off and like finished the rest
Speaker 9: of the first half and then they came out for
Speaker 9: the second happen.
Speaker 7: I think you tried to warm up and it was bothering.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, teasing peace to aj Brown front of
Speaker 5: the show, front of the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, also too, like just a receiver having the issues.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I'm sure you know they're taking the
Speaker 4: right precautions and everything else, but sure.
Speaker 5: Just popped it up.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: They Commanders and Negles haven't played yet. Theyself to play twice,
Speaker 5: so that that's gonna be some fun football to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's one to keep your eye on right there. I
Speaker 5: think you get December twenty second though, it's just.
Speaker 4: I don't know division throwback. Wouldn't that be something fifteen
Speaker 4: Commanders in Philly Christmas Christmas game? It might have been
Speaker 4: Christmas Eve, but you know it's when the boy hit
Speaker 4: the dab sax Sam Brad or we we cleanched the East,
Speaker 4: We clinched the East on that day.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what this dude has. Selective CT just
Speaker 5: you think of things you can't think of the most
Speaker 5: basic shit sometimes, but you remember all of your highlights.
Speaker 4: Selective. Oh but yeah, bro, the Jason Kelcey slamming the
Speaker 4: phone down, yeah, saying who's the yeah, dropping that F
Speaker 4: word hard? Now, who's the F word? Now? Dude did
Speaker 4: give him a little nuts. He kind of dropped him.
Speaker 5: For a second, bro, which is crazy, I know.
Speaker 4: But but Jason Shoulder, he's holding his beer, he's holding beer,
Speaker 4: he's on he.
Speaker 5: Bent down, but he does give him the thing. Some
Speaker 5: dude on Instagram was like, basically clip the part where
Speaker 5: Jason Kelsey just slams the phone down and calls him
Speaker 5: who's the F wort?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's like, Jason Kelsey should be in prison.
Speaker 5: Celebrities don't care about you. I don't even know who
Speaker 5: the no some dude on this it was like a
Speaker 5: sports thing on Instagram and I just I commented. I
Speaker 5: was like, this is the most bitch made clickbait clip effort.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. Look at the end of the day, dude
Speaker 4: was talking crazy noise about his brother, like right next
Speaker 4: to him, and I understand the whole you know, having
Speaker 4: composure and walking away and this.
Speaker 5: Person of status you should keep yourself above.
Speaker 4: He's talking about his brother. He's talking about his brother.
Speaker 4: He understand on something. He's doing it with the phone
Speaker 4: like running up trying to like have a clip. So
Speaker 4: he takes his phone and slams it down and just
Speaker 4: fucking stomps it. I loved it, Yeah, Like I loved it.
Speaker 4: And I'm and I'm dead ass serious, like you are
Speaker 4: a pussy and you are fuck all the legal bullshit
Speaker 4: that you can probably do whatever. It is like you
Speaker 4: are a loser at life if you're that type of
Speaker 4: person just running up on somebody because he probably sat
Speaker 4: with his friends. Bat man.
Speaker 5: If I see Jason Kelcey today, I'm gonna say X,
Speaker 5: Y and Z and he goes and does he thinks
Speaker 5: he's cool for a moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you see him kind of maybe clinch his fist,
Speaker 4: swing that no explode it. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And the thing is is like that's that's that's the
Speaker 5: problem too, is like you're you never would you run
Speaker 5: up on a dude like Jason Kelcey and say those
Speaker 5: types of words being built like that and think I'm
Speaker 5: just gonna get away with this.
Speaker 4: Because I saw somebody. They're like, oh, it's gonna take
Speaker 4: some average joe at some point in time to beat
Speaker 4: the shit out of an athlete and that cuvil stop.
Speaker 4: It's like I I get what you're saying, but I'm
Speaker 4: telling you right now, those alpha type average jows that
Speaker 4: are out there, they're not walking up and running up
Speaker 4: on you, trying to clip you with the phone, trying
Speaker 4: to say this malicious stuff to your face like they
Speaker 4: know who they are, Like they that that's not what
Speaker 4: I'm talking about, because yeah, that's true. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm sure that'll happen at some point in time, but
Speaker 4: just running up saying what you're saying about about Jason's brother,
Speaker 4: like you're a fucking loser. Yeah, you're a loser.
Speaker 5: And I thought it was a well orchestrated tweet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, at that point in time, you just you know,
Speaker 4: there's certain things you're staying on in Jason. Obviously the
Speaker 4: it touched them with him talking about his brother, and
Speaker 4: I'm with it. I do I get what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I do. I get what you're saying, because you would
Speaker 4: like to have the composure to just not hear it
Speaker 4: because you are you're going to a game, like just
Speaker 4: fucking forget about it. But he wanted to make that reaction.
Speaker 4: I'm pro Jason Kelsey, like I'm siding with the boy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think we're all on Jason Kelsey side.
Speaker 5: Anybody not on Jason Kelsey side.
Speaker 4: Mitch, Mitch, you know, Mitch, I don't know because you
Speaker 4: always talking about how can I get up on somebody
Speaker 4: and get a little lawsuit going and make some extra cash.
Speaker 4: You're always talking about that type of ship, those words. No,
Speaker 4: that that that was crazy. That was crazy. Yeah, dude's
Speaker 4: bitch for that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: That is a bitch made move.
Speaker 4: I had a couple other things. The East, the Bills.
Speaker 4: I was kind of running through divisions. Who he think
Speaker 4: is gonna win these divisions? Uh? The NFC West, we
Speaker 4: already talked about that. Ye, the AFC West. Obviously, you
Speaker 4: got the Chiefs. The only ones who can make it
Speaker 4: interesting is probably the Chargers. But there are a few
Speaker 4: games back right now. I do think the Chiefs are
Speaker 4: going to drop a couple Miles Garrett went crazy. See
Speaker 4: three sacks in the first half. Yeah, my god. That
Speaker 4: you got the East the Bills. I mean, the rest
Speaker 4: of the East is absolutely dead. Look at look at
Speaker 4: the East here. You got the Jets who are second
Speaker 4: division three and six. They have to win out. Bills
Speaker 4: are running away with that. You got the North Steelers,
Speaker 4: Ravens Steelers. Steelers could get the division man Russy, Russy's
Speaker 4: been spice. You got Arthur Smith calling the offense obviously,
Speaker 4: and you got just an absolutely dominating defense, which is
Speaker 4: where like the Ravens, as great of an offense as
Speaker 4: they have, they don't have the they don't have the
Speaker 4: same weapons on defense like the Steelers do. And then
Speaker 4: do the Bengals make it interesting? It'll be.
Speaker 5: Do we think the Colts are able to catch the
Speaker 5: Texans at all? I think they could, but they have
Speaker 5: I mean, Digg's Acl Collins, he's out too lott of
Speaker 5: weapons done. Yeah, Joe Mixon and Tank Dell essentially.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they got similar schedules on the back half.
Speaker 4: I'm drawing a blank. Click on the Colts, click on
Speaker 4: their schedule. Yeah. I want to say both the Colts
Speaker 4: and the Texans have the Lions still. I want to
Speaker 4: say that Texans might have the Chiefs as well. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it'll be, it'll be. It's gonna be fun man football season.
Speaker 4: This is where it all starts, the matter November December.
Speaker 5: Yes, this is where those team meetings are happening right now. Boys,
Speaker 5: we gotta get after it.
Speaker 4: It kind of does Oh, Mitch, I know you love ball,
Speaker 4: but this is the best part of the year.
Speaker 7: Oh, no doubt, but it's just like, fuck, a couple
Speaker 7: more months, we're not gonna have it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, buddy, Mike Sullivan will always say, Hey, you're
Speaker 5: gonna blank. It's gonna be Thanksgiving, and here we are.
Speaker 5: It's almost here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Titans, Titans, A nice win, nice nice win.
Speaker 5: The question everybody's asking right now is can they run
Speaker 5: the table?
Speaker 4: Are they?
Speaker 5: Can they get back on track?
Speaker 4: Then they get back on track.
Speaker 5: I will say I was leaving the Titans game yesterday,
Speaker 5: some guy came up to me and introduced himself. He
Speaker 5: was staying in line for the churro. So he goes,
Speaker 5: I want toroduce myself. I'm Will Levis's dad. It's all
Speaker 5: great to meet you. He goes, We're gonna have a
Speaker 5: great back half of the season. Yeah, said to my face.
Speaker 5: Feel good about it, love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm curious what's gonna happen when Levis gets back
Speaker 4: in the fold. Because Mason's he's done enough, He's done
Speaker 4: a lot what I mean, Yeah, Calvin Ridley's getting he's
Speaker 4: getting his touches a lot more.
Speaker 5: He had that one deep ball drop. You know I
Speaker 5: know you, Hey, you love that. You love that. Sometimes
Speaker 5: takes it takes win. It takes one, dude, did you
Speaker 5: get one?
Speaker 1: Win?
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, all that anger in the locker room,
Speaker 5: that cancerous cell that keeps growing, everyone keeps bitching about,
Speaker 5: Hey we got one. Just go just came back in
Speaker 5: days nuts.
Speaker 4: I know that tipped one. Yeah, then get a little high.
Speaker 4: He didn't want it necessarily. You knew he was about
Speaker 4: to get smacked. He kind of had the t rex arms.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, Paul was running nice yesterday.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 5: It was a good it was a good looking big.
Speaker 4: When we were there. We were there boys getting the
Speaker 4: boy went in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what happened to Cushion Bear?
Speaker 1: Is that his name?
Speaker 5: Cushion Bary? What what injury did he sustain for Corey
Speaker 5: to get in lower body? Okay, so they're saying he
Speaker 5: got hurt pretty bad. I'll have to look more into that.
Speaker 5: I will say this, all Titans fans listening the biscuit,
Speaker 5: Corey Levin under rated ballplayer, under rated ballplayer. Now, Corey,
Speaker 5: I will say this. You know what I'm not I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna I'm not gonna say that Corey is a
Speaker 5: strong he's a great run blocker. That boy knows ball,
Speaker 5: he knows where to put the offensive line. Now, they
Speaker 5: had a snap a snap fumble.
Speaker 4: He's a coach out there.
Speaker 5: That was that was not Corey's fault. And the replay
Speaker 5: that did a great job at a great angle. Hit
Speaker 5: Mason Rudolph right in the hands, hit him right in
Speaker 5: the hands. I I feel good about Levin. I feel
Speaker 5: good about Levin at center. Dude, I'm just telling you,
Speaker 5: am I bias. Yes, absolutely, I love this kid and
Speaker 5: I want him to do well. I did make him.
Speaker 5: That's what I was going to talk about it, how
Speaker 5: much I've made Corey Levin With out me, Corey Levin
Speaker 5: is not in the league anymore. I will say that, Dude,
Speaker 5: Gibbons to Jack Gibbons, doctor Gibbons at a fucking game.
Speaker 5: Just just a Will Compton out there, dude, just having
Speaker 5: a day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I watching him.
Speaker 5: You made him. Without you, guys like Jack Gibbons wouldn't
Speaker 5: have the confidence to keep pushing forward, undrafted cat at
Speaker 5: a Minnesota.
Speaker 4: Guys like us, we make ourselves guys like hell, yeah,
Speaker 4: I made all the Yeah. I love seeing Gibby play
Speaker 4: he plays his balls off. Man. You can tell you
Speaker 4: just he has command of the defense. He knows what's
Speaker 4: going on. He fucking plays with his hair on fire
Speaker 4: flies around brom swag to him. I love it.
Speaker 5: He's a more quiet Roberts playing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love football.
Speaker 5: Tians might do it, man, they might fucking turn it around.
Speaker 4: Jack.
Speaker 5: I heard you weren't at the Jack missed the second
Speaker 5: half of the football game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you or neither? You're right.
Speaker 5: I love to go see my family.
Speaker 8: I I had to go move my house. We had
Speaker 8: to get out by last night. It was nice to
Speaker 8: see the OT win on the phone, but.
Speaker 4: That was the reason I was so fired up about
Speaker 4: the OT win. Obviously, I love seeing the Titans win.
Speaker 4: But your boy had the under under thirty eight games
Speaker 4: had the other thirty eight. Seeing us, seeing us win
Speaker 4: twenty to seventeen, I was like, God, there we go.
Speaker 4: I love the field goal. Now let's just make a play,
Speaker 4: you know, Moni hooker two picks, huge, huge.
Speaker 5: And is it curse broken?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Tennessee one to Tennessee, Tennessee team's one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we can put that to bed. Now,
Speaker 4: I think we can put the Jets.
Speaker 5: Let's fucking go times.
Speaker 8: I feel like it's always November when both Tennessee teams
Speaker 8: catch a double dub. So yeah, yeah, there's always an
Speaker 8: exception once but maybe next week and two Titans got
Speaker 8: uh who is the Chargers and then Tennessee's got Missippi State.
Speaker 8: So if Titans go road win, you know.
Speaker 4: Shout out the Titans organization. They they hosted the boys.
Speaker 4: We were there this weekend.
Speaker 5: We had a lot of fun, a lot of love
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 4: Shut out Bane, Bill Puffer, Yes.
Speaker 5: Bill Puffer, is it Jared Puffer?
Speaker 4: Jared Puffer. Sorry, that's what he his brother's Bill. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking Bill Martin.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, all good from the ball good but yeah, Titans,
Speaker 5: Master puff, massive love. We gotta we gotta figure out
Speaker 5: a way to pack that stand. We gotta figure out
Speaker 5: a way to get more Titans fans in Nissan Stadium,
Speaker 5: because if you're looking at your phone at all during
Speaker 5: the game, you're gonna hear a cheer. You don't know
Speaker 5: what happened one way or the other. Because they had
Speaker 5: lots of Patriots fans in that a lot of Patriot fans,
Speaker 5: so we'll see.
Speaker 4: Man, that's kind of the theme though. But either way,
Speaker 4: you want to get to a game this weekend, next weekend,
Speaker 4: doesn't matter. Football season is here. We can't wait to
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Predators game tonight. You're gonna hit that Predators game tonight.
Speaker 5: Go watch and play the Kings. Baby, are you gonna
Speaker 5: chug the beer?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I kind of want to just keep it low, keep
Speaker 5: it low this time until they hand you well if
Speaker 5: they if they ask, I will do it.
Speaker 4: I will do it.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like what Burt said.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. If you don't want, you've got
Speaker 4: to set the expectation. Now.
Speaker 5: I know I should text me like, but they got that,
Speaker 5: we got the Lexus Lounge. Uh, Taylor's mother's there, Taalen's
Speaker 5: grandfather's going. Obviously they're Canadians, so they're obsessed with hockey.
Speaker 4: Just a good time.
Speaker 5: When we were we were walking around this weekend, a
Speaker 5: couple people said, oh, I remember you from the from
Speaker 5: the JumboTron, so they she's win's got herself a little reputation.
Speaker 5: When she walks in the Bridge do arena. We'll see, man,
Speaker 5: we will see.
Speaker 4: That means it's happening.
Speaker 5: That my most proud moment as a father right there. God,
Speaker 5: that was so amazing. The smile in that little girl's
Speaker 5: face was all fucking time. So yeah, we're gonna go today,
Speaker 5: first one of the season.
Speaker 4: Shall we jump into the episode, jump into the interview.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, enjoy it.
Speaker 4: Big hugs, Hey, big hugs, Tiny Case. So you're watching
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Speaker 4: We've had a hell of a run this year so far.
Speaker 4: Faull Tore is officially done.
Speaker 1: Done.
Speaker 4: We wrapped it up this weekend, last weekend at their or.
Speaker 4: The last college stop was Tennessee. We were at the
Speaker 4: Patriot Titans game this weekend. The boys are done. I
Speaker 4: will be in the trenches starting next week. Baby number
Speaker 4: two comes, Baby number two comes, little girl. Hope everything
Speaker 4: goes well, but that begins. But now you know fall
Speaker 4: towards done. We had a hell of a run and
Speaker 4: uh yeah, enjoy this episode. Boys. Yeah, shout out. Sean Merriman,
Speaker 4: pray for a fight, love you big outside of kids.
Speaker 1: Tase to Michael Vick, fresh out of jail, Fast out
Speaker 1: of jail. I was like, what field have they got
Speaker 1: as longer than forty yards? Why are you still fast?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Shout of jail motivated.
Speaker 5: Some cats come out of prison. Mike Tyson when he
Speaker 5: came out of prison. He was just meaner and bigger
Speaker 5: and buffer than he's ever been in Are we rolling?
Speaker 5: We are rolling. Hey, let's give a round. Flash Merriman
Speaker 5: joining us on the bus. Just landed in Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker 5: Just came to hang out with the boys. We appreciate
Speaker 5: you stopping by.
Speaker 1: Man, appreciate it. I appreciate you not.
Speaker 5: First off, want to give you a shout out for
Speaker 5: the coolest nickname of all time high school nickname lights Out.
Speaker 5: So when I was at Google and just doing a
Speaker 5: little bit of research on you, you put.
Speaker 4: More time out of time out before you get into
Speaker 4: that story. I got to ask, Okay, do you remember
Speaker 4: responding to me on a Vernon Davis Instagram post?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Is this by two thousand and fifteen?
Speaker 1: Is this when he got kicked off the field? Was singletary?
Speaker 4: No, this is when he was on Washington Okay, and
Speaker 4: he was doing like a like a sponsor post. Yeah,
Speaker 4: his shirt off and he was like dipping in some
Speaker 4: supplements and I was getting on just busting his ball,
Speaker 4: and Sean was like defending Vernon against me, like about
Speaker 4: to beat your ass. Yeah, I remember, I remember Veron
Speaker 4: like seaning.
Speaker 1: Know that you were just busting ball, having a good time,
Speaker 1: having time. So just backstort like Vernon runs like my
Speaker 1: little brother, like brother, yeah, and I know versus like
Speaker 1: fifteen years old. I didn't know the relationship then.
Speaker 5: You know, me see a mouthy white guy and you're
Speaker 5: like when I.
Speaker 4: Was trying to scroll and see but he had he
Speaker 4: doesn't have posts like beyond like two thousand in nineteen.
Speaker 4: But it was back when he was on the same team.
Speaker 4: And I remember when Sean had responded to me. I'm
Speaker 4: just thinking, I texted Vernon my you know, let know
Speaker 4: good what I can't Oh he was laughing. He's like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's a good dude. He's a good you know Vernon
Speaker 4: the nicest. Yes, yes, yes, but I had do you.
Speaker 5: Kidd me what you like? Sherman the back. You missed
Speaker 5: that official.
Speaker 1: Hair with the the uh little flavor landing trip down there.
Speaker 5: That thing is why I got a one.
Speaker 1: I got a fresh wine, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was your That was your ice brinker at
Speaker 5: the bar, that little thing hanging down off the lip.
Speaker 1: For sure. I got the LRG allergy was hot at
Speaker 1: that time too. Everybody had fun analogy.
Speaker 5: That is so funny. But yeah, we as I was
Speaker 5: saying before we went down memory lane with you for
Speaker 5: a second, high school, Yeah, put four players unconscious in
Speaker 5: the first half of a high school football game. Yeah,
Speaker 5: what's real, man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so so what happened. So what happened was
Speaker 1: it was it was a school that was like talking
Speaker 1: a lot. They were talking a lot of ship like
Speaker 1: leading up to the game. And my coaches when I
Speaker 1: was young, when I was then, they would egg me
Speaker 1: on by every clipping is to come out. Everything in
Speaker 1: the local newspaper. They would Washington Post, come out, they
Speaker 1: would send me everything, gassing me up. So I can't
Speaker 1: wait to get to this game now, And so I
Speaker 1: just started like striking people right. And I remember like
Speaker 1: a like parents were coming on the field, like standing
Speaker 1: in the end zone, grabbing the rest, grabbing a commissioner.
Speaker 1: Basically saying that the coaches were held me back for
Speaker 1: two years, like I was like two or three years older.
Speaker 4: Than well they thought you were like not, no, that was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, not knowing that that I was youngest,
Speaker 1: you know. So like even when I got drafted, I
Speaker 1: was twenty years old. When I got drafted, I.
Speaker 4: Was like a Bishop Sycamore situation. Yeah, right, that's a
Speaker 4: good poll.
Speaker 1: And so uh and so that happened after the game,
Speaker 1: about twenty twenty five suits coming run under me and
Speaker 1: they said, you knock those kids lights out. And I just,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of played it off cool. I didn't
Speaker 1: think it was gonna happen. I said, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: call me lights out. And I got to school on
Speaker 1: Monday and I got my back my backpack on and
Speaker 1: I got my books in my hand, and it was like, yo,
Speaker 1: good game, lights And I'm like, shit, you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of caught on already, and people, you know, heard
Speaker 1: about it. And so I went home. I rushed home
Speaker 1: to my to my mom. My mom smoked a ton
Speaker 1: of cigarettes. I got the room and I'm waving the smoke.
Speaker 1: I can't even see my mom and shit, she's doing
Speaker 1: the smoking cigarettes all day. Yeah, And I said, ma,
Speaker 1: look this. You know, people called me lights so I
Speaker 1: don't want to get this this lights out tattooed on
Speaker 1: my right forearm. And she looked at me and smoked
Speaker 1: a cigarette one more time and said, boy, get the
Speaker 1: hell out of the room. Right.
Speaker 5: How old are you?
Speaker 1: Sixteen?
Speaker 5: Sixteen years on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I came back every single day for two weeks,
Speaker 1: and finally she took me to go get this light
Speaker 1: switch with a hand, cutting the lights out on my
Speaker 1: right form and that became a thing. And so my
Speaker 1: freshman year at the University of Maryland, we were playing
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. Actually this hit is on YouTube, and it
Speaker 1: was my first time playing on ESPN. It was a
Speaker 1: night Friday or Friday night or Saturday night game on ESPN.
Speaker 1: I wasn't starting, but they put me in the game
Speaker 1: and I'm dry up and back in the flats. The
Speaker 1: wide receiver Walkings come running across the field, dragging across
Speaker 1: the field, and I just and then that was the
Speaker 1: first time I got up and pointed at it, like
Speaker 1: there it is there, it is right there. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the first time I bring that back. Wow. So
Speaker 1: you know, I'm seventeen. I think I think I'm seventeen
Speaker 1: at the time. I don't think I was eighteen yet.
Speaker 1: And they put me in a game, and so none
Speaker 1: of my teammates at the time they thought I came
Speaker 1: in with cocky all this lights out kid, and we
Speaker 1: not call these lights out.
Speaker 5: That's what I wanted to ask, how was the lights
Speaker 5: on first because that is the perfect yeah, like tattooed
Speaker 5: to chirp. As a freshman getting into college, all the
Speaker 5: seniors been like, hey, you.
Speaker 4: Like that dude?
Speaker 1: That was so I was so cocky too, Like I
Speaker 1: came in there like talking ship. I was like that
Speaker 1: that black sheep, Like, Yo, this dude, don't fucking believe
Speaker 1: you know, there's.
Speaker 5: A couple of seniors getting in the corner, like we
Speaker 5: got to humble this dude. First day of practice.
Speaker 4: Coaches like, hey, this guy's a psyches.
Speaker 1: We had a Henderson, remember, yeah, yeah, e J Henderson buckets,
Speaker 1: one of the best, to me, the best linebacker to
Speaker 1: come out of Maryland ever. And uh, he would always
Speaker 1: just call me freshmen or he would like call me
Speaker 1: something else, and they nobody would call me anything until
Speaker 1: that hit. And so I finally came on a sideline
Speaker 1: and I got ea J and those guys came up
Speaker 1: to me. Denarl Wilson the same you know, defense coordinator here,
Speaker 1: so he was my team. So none of them would
Speaker 1: call me lights out at all until that hit.
Speaker 5: And that was the first was the first game, now,
Speaker 5: the first time.
Speaker 1: I got in the game, like on that on the
Speaker 1: national level. That was it. Yeah, that was it.
Speaker 5: That is fucking wild man. So why Maryland?
Speaker 1: Uh? Because you know, for me, like I grew up
Speaker 1: in Prince George's County and at the time, like PG County,
Speaker 1: d C was bad, dude, like top five, top ten
Speaker 1: mertal capital of the country. Really yeah, And so so
Speaker 1: I wanted to you know, I had offers from everywhere,
Speaker 1: and I committed as a junior to h to Maryland.
Speaker 1: But from where we came from, nobody stayed home. Like
Speaker 1: everybody went to Penn State, you know, Florida State at
Speaker 1: the national Florida State was big, Ohio, They went to
Speaker 1: everywhere else all the time, players went everywhere else. Nobody
Speaker 1: stayed home. So I was like, man, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna stay home. And I was the
Speaker 1: first one that kind of could have went to a
Speaker 1: Florida State or could have went to a Florida or
Speaker 1: something like that and stay home. And then after me Vernon,
Speaker 1: we was talking about Vernon, you know, Vernon State, and
Speaker 1: a lot of guys like tour a lot of first
Speaker 1: we start having first round draft picks every year after that.
Speaker 1: But at the time, I think I was a I
Speaker 1: might have been the highest drafted player from Maryland, but dude,
Speaker 1: it was hard. I didn't take any visits, and Miami
Speaker 1: was coming to my you know, coming to the game,
Speaker 1: my basketball, you know games. I was playing it hooping
Speaker 1: in the off season with the with some of the
Speaker 1: Maryland basketball players. They would be walking around like off campus.
Speaker 1: They were trying to get me to to Miami. So
Speaker 1: if I would have took my visit, it would have
Speaker 1: been to Miami. I would have gone to And.
Speaker 5: If you showed up in Miami, you probably would have
Speaker 5: committed on the spot.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Yeah, dude, they took me to the
Speaker 1: strip club or some shit out there. I would have been.
Speaker 5: They do strip clubs like malls out there, the three stories.
Speaker 5: It's crazy, the whole time of convenience.
Speaker 4: You were good at basketball and track.
Speaker 1: Too, right, Yeah, basketball for sure. So I grew up
Speaker 1: uh on the AAU team. So in the same AAU team.
Speaker 1: It was like me, Michael Beasley, KD. Nolan Smith woud
Speaker 1: up going to Douke and he played I think for
Speaker 1: the playing the NBA for like six seven years. It
Speaker 1: was like ten of us. They went all through like
Speaker 1: the same AAU team and then The problem was I start,
Speaker 1: I started growing here, getting wider, and then everybody else,
Speaker 1: like Beasley and all these other guys, they just kept,
Speaker 1: you know, going that way. But yeah, Beasley, we practically
Speaker 1: grew up in the same neighborhood and the same house.
Speaker 1: Like Beasley at ten nineteen years old was at my house.
Speaker 1: We were growing up, Yeah, all of us.
Speaker 4: Was there anything like was it family ties? This stuff
Speaker 4: that kept you and kept you in Maryland?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Why you didn't want to visit any of these other
Speaker 4: prestigious D one programs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did because I think for me, my coaches
Speaker 1: took care of me in high school. So we lost
Speaker 1: we were homeless. We lost our house house to fires
Speaker 1: because my mom couldn't pay to pay the bills and
Speaker 1: we so she lit candles because we couldn't afford the lights,
Speaker 1: and lights got cut off and gas got cut off
Speaker 1: and one of the candles that burned through and we
Speaker 1: burned a whole house down. And so I ended up
Speaker 1: moving with uh. I ended up moving with my coaches,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, man, my coaches took me
Speaker 1: and they didn't have to do that, you know, they
Speaker 1: didn't have to take me in So I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say I felt obligated, but all of a sudden
Speaker 1: the same time, I'm like these everybody wanted to see
Speaker 1: me play and not have to fly out or go anywhere.
Speaker 1: So it was it was a lot of decisions, man.
Speaker 1: And then too, they just came off of a I
Speaker 1: think the Gator Ball they played at Florida and the
Speaker 1: Gator Bowls, like the two thousand and something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we played in the I played in two
Speaker 1: Gator and then peace bawl.
Speaker 5: When you so you talk about being homeless, you're losing
Speaker 5: your house all that, and then you know, having the
Speaker 5: success you did in the NFL and have this entrepreneurial
Speaker 5: spirit you had, Where did that come from? Because obviously,
Speaker 5: given the circumstances you just laid out for everybody, it
Speaker 5: would be easy to fold and go into this life
Speaker 5: that you know, you should probably see a lot of
Speaker 5: people around you going into what was different for you?
Speaker 1: It was it was different man, because you like when
Speaker 1: we when I was growing up, you started seeing like
Speaker 1: all the dealers and stuff drive up and they got benches,
Speaker 1: you know. But I'll say this though a lot of
Speaker 1: like the of the of the drug dealers and stuff
Speaker 1: where we grew up at They never let me stay around,
Speaker 1: so like if something was ever going down or something
Speaker 1: was around, they were telling me to leave the basketball court,
Speaker 1: get out of here, stay away. So it was it
Speaker 1: was actually the opposite of you know, everybody like, oh,
Speaker 1: come in here, do this, do this bad stuff. They
Speaker 1: like me, get out of here because they knew I
Speaker 1: had potential to go play on that level. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: that was a good kid and that was all. I
Speaker 1: was like really into sports and so believe it or not, man,
Speaker 1: it was just like take your little.
Speaker 5: As they tell you, Hey, something about to go down here.
Speaker 4: You out here?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no way.
Speaker 5: Leonard Fournette, I think he told a similar story growing
Speaker 5: up because he was so talented in high school and
Speaker 5: all that. There were like anytime any of that stuff
Speaker 5: was going to go down there like hey, you got
Speaker 5: to get out of here. That's kind of a nice
Speaker 5: little deal.
Speaker 4: When did you know you were going to be a
Speaker 4: guy in the NFL, Like while you're playing in college.
Speaker 5: Well, probably knocks for people unconscious and.
Speaker 1: So uh my after that game that I had my
Speaker 1: sophomore year was my first big interview with ESPN because
Speaker 1: I was like ranked in the country now coming out
Speaker 1: in high school? Do I got no media training? Like,
Speaker 1: we don't where I come from, We didn't never, no
Speaker 1: one ever put a camera in our face and tell
Speaker 1: us what to say. So at that point I'm speaking
Speaker 1: from the heart right, So the reporter come up this.
Speaker 1: Remember they had the old school tape recorders and the
Speaker 1: recorder and they let you talk. So we pres tate recorder,
Speaker 1: got us no pad. Right here in the ESPN guy said,
Speaker 1: do you play? You play the game hard? You know,
Speaker 1: you got a lot of passion out there, Like what
Speaker 1: what made you get in the Why do you play
Speaker 1: like this? What made you get into football? I said, sir,
Speaker 1: I can do anything I want anybody, and I go
Speaker 1: to jail.
Speaker 5: Sorry, could you hey, just being like a six foot
Speaker 5: two hundred pound offensive lineman reading that news article, Still
Speaker 5: you're playing him next week?
Speaker 1: He pressed it, He pressed it stop butting it. Just
Speaker 1: looked at me thirty second dude, you go to jail
Speaker 1: like you get in trouble. But I think I think,
Speaker 1: for me, honestly that the truth is. Now look back
Speaker 1: on it and understand what I Why I said that,
Speaker 1: and you know why I came up is because it
Speaker 1: literally those two hours of practice or games, it was
Speaker 1: my way of getting away to everything I was dealing with. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: so I get I get two hours to go out
Speaker 1: there and like unleash on anybody, right, And so that's
Speaker 1: what I meant. I didn't. I didn't. I could have
Speaker 1: framed that, you know, a lot better, but at the
Speaker 1: time I said that because that's that's what I believed in.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I get this chance to go
Speaker 1: out there and like do what I love to do
Speaker 1: and like not get in trouble for it. And so
Speaker 1: it just came across wrong with the truth is that's
Speaker 1: why I started playing.
Speaker 4: Like, when you're in college and obviously you're close to home,
Speaker 4: what are the things you're dealing with outside of having
Speaker 4: those two hours or having that escape for football.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the biggest thing for me, man, is
Speaker 1: that those two hours I forgot about everything. As soon
Speaker 1: as I walked off the field, I knew I was
Speaker 1: gonna come home to an eviction. Notice we'll come home,
Speaker 1: maybe the life were gonna be out, we didn't have food,
Speaker 1: But those two hours I didn't think about it at all.
Speaker 1: And then so one day my high school coach had
Speaker 1: noticed that I was. I was losing some weight and
Speaker 1: because we didn't we didn't have food, and so he,
Speaker 1: you know, then he started kind of stepping in, and
Speaker 1: you know, my dad wasn't Me and my dad got
Speaker 1: a pretty good relationship now, but he wasn't around at
Speaker 1: the time, and so he started to you know, take
Speaker 1: care of you things, make sure we had food, and
Speaker 1: got us got me a computer so I can start
Speaker 1: doing my homework and stuff like that. So at that time,
Speaker 1: I was my It was my first time talking about
Speaker 1: like how I was living. Matter of fact. So Mike
Speaker 1: Loxley was the head coach now in Maryland. He was
Speaker 1: a runner back coach at Maryland at the time. He
Speaker 1: recruited me, and so he's a head coach now Maryland.
Speaker 1: We were we were in such back con dishes. When
Speaker 1: I committed to Maryland, Ralph Frieding and Locksley was going
Speaker 1: to come to my place, but we stay. It was
Speaker 1: so bad that I didn't want them to see where
Speaker 1: where I live. So I committed to them and they
Speaker 1: never took a home visit or anything like that. I
Speaker 1: would always tell them that I'll come to the school
Speaker 1: because I didn't want them to see where and how
Speaker 1: I was living, and so he didn't even really know
Speaker 1: until later on that we were living in those conditions
Speaker 1: because I was just for me. I was embarrassed, you know.
Speaker 1: I was embarrassed to let people know that we were
Speaker 1: living like that, you know. And so looking back on
Speaker 1: it now, in a weird way, you like thankful, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean like thankful for a little bit because it
Speaker 1: gave me another layer of skin that most people don't have,
Speaker 1: you know. And when you talk about the stuff I
Speaker 1: got going now, like it was like a preparation for
Speaker 1: all the stuff that I'm doing now.
Speaker 5: And I'm sure you don't do this a whole lot,
Speaker 5: because anybody who has an entrepreneurship spirit usually just looks
Speaker 5: onto the next thing. Yeah, but if you ever do
Speaker 5: have an opportunity, you're sitting in your house, in your
Speaker 5: living room and it's nighttime, and you just think to
Speaker 5: your wow, look what I like. Look what I've made
Speaker 5: versus what I've come from. It just adds so much
Speaker 5: to your story and how cool of the story it.
Speaker 4: Is it is.
Speaker 1: I I used to because I always hated the rags
Speaker 1: to riches. I like, like, dude, So you're right, that's
Speaker 1: exactly how I looked at it because it was almost
Speaker 1: it was always like the next thing, and I get
Speaker 1: up the next days the next thing, next thing, next thing.
Speaker 1: And then you do get those subtle moments, especially when
Speaker 1: you come and somebody from your past, like an old friend,
Speaker 1: old somebody who knew you back then, and they see
Speaker 1: your house now, right, they see how you're living and
Speaker 1: see you know that you got all these amazing things
Speaker 1: going on from in the media, that you get that
Speaker 1: real quick reminder of what you have gone through.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how speaking of seeing old people, how did your
Speaker 5: relationships change as you started to find success in money
Speaker 5: with these guys like you, like you get drafted right
Speaker 5: first round. People want to come see you in San
Speaker 5: Diego at the time where the charges were playing, like
Speaker 5: how did you navigate those hands out and being hey,
Speaker 5: you gotta help us out? You know how we helped you. Yeah,
Speaker 5: maybe a couple of those guys that said hey, leave
Speaker 5: the basketball court. They want to put their hand out
Speaker 5: and say, hey, we helped you with all this.
Speaker 1: It's tough, especially when you come from where we came from,
Speaker 1: because there's a certain level of like you owe me
Speaker 1: right for being a friend, or somebody that that might
Speaker 1: have loaned your coat or something at that time. Now
Speaker 1: they want a car. You're like, hold on, man, you
Speaker 1: let me use a coat for two weeks. Right now
Speaker 1: you want a car. I mean, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: weird believe it or not. Mean, it happens more when
Speaker 1: you come from that area, those type of areas, it
Speaker 1: happens a lot. And so what I did do was
Speaker 1: I took care of my high school. You know, donated
Speaker 1: probably overall, probably three hundred and fifty thousand of my
Speaker 1: high school, built them a new gym, they got new
Speaker 1: fields and stuff like that. I did all that. So
Speaker 1: everybody that kind of took care of me, like my coaches,
Speaker 1: you know, help them get a new house. You know.
Speaker 1: So everybody who took care of me at that time,
Speaker 1: I took care of everybody else immediately. That was the
Speaker 1: first thing. I bought my house, bought my car, But
Speaker 1: the first thing I did was everybody who took care
Speaker 1: of me and helped me get there when I didn't
Speaker 1: have shit. I was like, I'm taking care of them first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what about the people trying to come back into
Speaker 4: the fold where it's like you obviously have certain boundaries
Speaker 4: with people, but people that are beyond that boundary, who
Speaker 4: are trying to get in the mix as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, you know who I felt was going
Speaker 1: to be the first one because I told you my
Speaker 1: dad wasn't around. I felt my dad was going to
Speaker 1: be the first one to pop up. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and he didn't.
Speaker 4: I was thinking about when you were like, I didn't
Speaker 4: necessarily have a good relationship with him. You have a
Speaker 4: good relationship with m Yeah. I'm curious at how that
Speaker 4: started to come about.
Speaker 1: So I talked to I talked to my dad one
Speaker 1: time on the phone. So I didn't see my dad
Speaker 1: from the ages of ten or eleven till the first
Speaker 1: time I talked to him on the phone when I
Speaker 1: was eighteen, and I didn't see him see him in
Speaker 1: person until I was twenty six or twenty seven. So
Speaker 1: I didn't see my dad in person from ages of
Speaker 1: ten to twenty seven. I reached out to him. I
Speaker 1: reached out to him my Freshmania a versity Maryland because
Speaker 1: I had questions. I just like, you know, like you
Speaker 1: got you wanted personality trades. Do you like this? And
Speaker 1: you know, one of the first things we talked about
Speaker 1: is like he's always slept with the TV on, and
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, I can't sleep the TV off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it was you know, little things like that, and
Speaker 1: so anyway, we talked. We talked for four hours on
Speaker 1: the lick, three or four hours on the phone, and
Speaker 1: he said, look, I'm not gonna be that way. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't around this my this is my address, this is
Speaker 1: my number. Reach out and call me whenever you want.
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna be that guy, you know. So
Speaker 1: I respected that, and so I didn't see him to
Speaker 1: my final game in Buffalo. This is one of the
Speaker 1: reasons I'm first I might even talking about this, one
Speaker 1: of the reason why I retired, and Buffalo actually offered
Speaker 1: me to come back for two years. Doug Whaley did
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm done. When I knew I
Speaker 1: was going to retire, my dad I called him and
Speaker 1: I said, hey, he never seen a game, He's never
Speaker 1: came a game before. So he drove from Atlanta to
Speaker 1: Buffalo and it was my first time seeing him. I
Speaker 1: was staying downtown Buffalo. He came, his wife came up
Speaker 1: the elevated walked around. I seen her first and my
Speaker 1: dad was walking like super slow around the corner and
Speaker 1: he was just like bawling because I for the last
Speaker 1: first last te I seen him when I was ten
Speaker 1: years old. And so anyway, you know, we came up
Speaker 1: and you know, we hugged and we talked and stuff
Speaker 1: a little bit, and uh, he took he had a
Speaker 1: jacket on. And so we had like three of the
Speaker 1: same tattoos in the same areas, just different like I, uh,
Speaker 1: I got a money thing here. He had the same one,
Speaker 1: but it was smaller. Yeah, it's the weirdest thing. We
Speaker 1: had three of the same tattoos in the same area, dude,
Speaker 1: And I've never seen him since I was ten years old. See,
Speaker 1: it was the freakiest thing. And then after we started
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit more. You you can never
Speaker 1: repair if fully right, you can't make it really make
Speaker 1: up that time. But now we got up. We got
Speaker 1: a pritty your relationship.
Speaker 5: And that was the last football game you ever played. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I retired right after really really, and so what
Speaker 5: was the reason why you didn't want to go two
Speaker 5: more years?
Speaker 1: Well, I told I told my achilles, and so I
Speaker 1: could still play. Dude, when you tell the achilles, you
Speaker 1: lose your exploit, Like you can't push off, like he
Speaker 1: wants to and no mobility starts hurting every It was
Speaker 1: all of it, and you know I just wasn't. I
Speaker 1: wasn't the same anymore. And I couldn't. For me, I
Speaker 1: was so damn competitive. I couldn't take being averaging, you know,
Speaker 1: going out there, even if even if Buffalo was gonna
Speaker 1: pay me, I just couldn't. I couldn't take because and
Speaker 1: they knew it, like Buddy nixt like, yo, you're not
Speaker 1: what you was, but we need you in the locker room.
Speaker 1: Like it's a locker room. God said, dude, I can't
Speaker 1: watch that shit on film.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't put that out there.
Speaker 5: Talk to me about that feeling though when you turn
Speaker 5: on the film and if you think to yourself, man,
Speaker 5: I that angle I used to take, I could get
Speaker 5: that guy or I could cover that thing like that.
Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden you're watching You're like, bro,
Speaker 5: it's just not there anymore. What did that? What is
Speaker 5: that feeling like? And when did you like notice it?
Speaker 1: I think I think for US athletes, we're the last
Speaker 1: ones that always always know we need to retire, like everybody,
Speaker 1: like everybody said, like dude, like come on, yeah, Mike Rabel.
Speaker 5: He when he had to retire, he literally came home
Speaker 5: and his wife was like, you see this, Like you
Speaker 5: gotta be done. Yeah, He's like, oh shit, are you serious?
Speaker 5: So you're right, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's how that's how it was. And we
Speaker 1: had a uh, we had a rookie that came in.
Speaker 1: We were in training camp and the rookie, I know,
Speaker 1: gave play linebacker. He was like, you know, three or
Speaker 1: four behind me, was trying to make the team as
Speaker 1: a special teams guy. And uh, he said in the
Speaker 1: middle of training camp, he said, man, I just I
Speaker 1: got to tell you man, you know, you're one of
Speaker 1: my favorite players in like high school. And I was thinking,
Speaker 1: I was like, shit, what two three? And I was doing,
Speaker 1: you know, doing the math, and I was thinking to myself, like, man,
Speaker 1: it's about that time. You know, it's about that time.
Speaker 1: And so I ended retiring after that year.
Speaker 4: Coming into the league being a first rounder, talk about
Speaker 4: talk about your time like when you first burst on
Speaker 4: the scene.
Speaker 1: I you know, what's what's crazy is that he was
Speaker 1: talking about Vernon like me and Vernon had some epic
Speaker 1: battles in practice, just stud and we had a fence
Speaker 1: outside and the students used to go up to the
Speaker 1: fence and like cut holes in the in the thing
Speaker 1: just to watch me and Vernon go and do one
Speaker 1: on ones. It was a line every day we did
Speaker 1: one on ones outside of practice to watch me and Vernon.
Speaker 4: Like go at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I felt like, you know, going against
Speaker 1: Vernon every day. And then Vernon was just Cox. It
Speaker 1: was strong dude, like just Vern's like the most physical
Speaker 1: Freakis player that I ever play him at Rama Antonio
Speaker 1: cramartin the two Freakings players I played with. And so
Speaker 1: when I got there, I think, like, okay, I've seen Vernon.
Speaker 1: Then you got Antonio Gates, you know, sitting right in
Speaker 1: front of your practice, and like god damn, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I walked in. I was late. I was
Speaker 1: late to camp because I had an injury clause. And
Speaker 1: so I'm seeing everybody talk Cluton, Philip, They're talking shit
Speaker 1: about me in the media, like he should be here.
Speaker 1: Who does he think he is? It was like just
Speaker 1: my rookie year, and I didn't go to any mini camp.
Speaker 1: I showed up two weeks before the first game. I
Speaker 1: did Old c Yeah, this old CBA, this was yeah
Speaker 1: before this whole CBA thing changed, and you know, they
Speaker 1: injury clause in my contract that I didn't want to
Speaker 1: go out there and do anything because if I got hurt,
Speaker 1: then they didn't have to pay technically because of the contract,
Speaker 1: and it was more of like a good faith thing.
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, that's not a bit yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I finally we got the contract situate. I
Speaker 1: got there and it was like a week and a half,
Speaker 1: two weeks before the first game, not recent game, but
Speaker 1: I remember everybody talking shit in the like Philip and
Speaker 1: everybody should usually should be here, And I said, dude,
Speaker 1: this first day I get up there, somebody getting their
Speaker 1: ass handed to him. First day, whoever it is. And
Speaker 1: so we got we got. The first day I got
Speaker 1: there was pad. We had a first padded practice. We
Speaker 1: had almost four or five thousand fans in practice, and
Speaker 1: everything I did crap. I was going over the bags
Speaker 1: just you'd have thought I scored. Every time I did
Speaker 1: something right. Fans just going crazy because that was the
Speaker 1: first time they saw me out there. We go to
Speaker 1: one on one pass rushing drills with the running backs
Speaker 1: and full backs, which is the most unfair drill for
Speaker 1: running all yeah, unless you got Lorenzo Neil, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I didn't. I didn't give a damn who was
Speaker 1: in front of me. Somebody was gonna somebody was gonna
Speaker 1: get it because I have this pent up anger because
Speaker 1: I'm sitting at home and back in Maryland and I'm
Speaker 1: seeing all these like he should be here and know
Speaker 1: all that ship. And so we go out there and
Speaker 1: my first one on one is against Lorenzo O'Neil, and
Speaker 1: I went and boom, blew him up, low nill he
Speaker 1: falls over. I stepping over him, you know, hyping it up,
Speaker 1: just throwing gas from the fire. And it was the
Speaker 1: worst mistake ever made ever. Why Lorenzo O'Neil, bro listen,
Speaker 1: you're going into that.
Speaker 4: Rep thing and there's no for a dode.
Speaker 1: I'm not making move on running straight through it was
Speaker 1: there was no half man nothing. I went straight down
Speaker 1: the middle, blew him up, and I mean, the crowd's
Speaker 1: going crazy. I go back around and I'm going against
Speaker 1: I'm in the front line about to go again. It's
Speaker 1: somebody else up there, but Nzo Neil grabbed him, picked
Speaker 1: him up, and then pushed him out the way so
Speaker 1: he can go again. And at that moment I said,
Speaker 1: oh ship, I said something, something.
Speaker 5: Doesn't feel right here, something something Maryland High School people
Speaker 5: would have been like, you go ahead and take him.
Speaker 1: So I went up again and I tried to pull
Speaker 1: the same mess I did the first time. No no shake,
Speaker 1: half man. I was right down the middle. And when
Speaker 1: I did that, low Nell stood me straight up in
Speaker 1: the air, and I felt like my blood rushed to
Speaker 1: my finger you know that tingled your arms that I
Speaker 1: had nothing my fingers. Both arms I never had, you know,
Speaker 1: typically would get a stinger in one shoulder, one armed.
Speaker 1: Both arms were just numb, and felt like my blood
Speaker 1: had left my back of my body went all the
Speaker 1: way to the front of my face. Dude, I my
Speaker 1: face was burning, itching, and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: And so after that, me and O'Neill came up with
Speaker 1: this thing that we had a brother in law. The
Speaker 1: brother in law yeah, yeah, because we realized that if
Speaker 1: we kept doing that, somebody wouldn't gonna make it to
Speaker 1: the game. We knew we had it like, so we
Speaker 1: had it out. That was the last time I ever
Speaker 1: tested Loneill. He's the worst mistake that I ever did
Speaker 1: in my life. Still to this day, dude, that's the worst, but.
Speaker 4: Maybe the sacrifice for the best kind of business move
Speaker 4: because now you're not having to Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was a vet move. And so I think
Speaker 1: that when we when we did that, every time that
Speaker 1: they ran a power or something like that, we just
Speaker 1: got within a few in each other and just let up.
Speaker 1: I got my spot. He got in this spot where
Speaker 1: good coaches said nothing to us after that at all,
Speaker 1: because they knew if we kept banging like we were,
Speaker 1: somebody wasn't gonna make it to the game. And Loneill
Speaker 1: is the realest you ever want to deal with. But
Speaker 1: I think it at that time, and then I didn't
Speaker 1: know this. Two years later, Antonio Gates said that the
Speaker 1: tight ends were watching that in the meeting. Roybody, shit,
Speaker 1: I ain't blocking his ass.
Speaker 5: As a rookie too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, damn bro.
Speaker 5: Did he say anything? Do you after that rep?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: But you know, I started to work out with O'Neil
Speaker 1: every day after practice. Lodill was twelve years in at
Speaker 1: this time. I'm a rookie dude, and I couldn't keep
Speaker 1: up like low Neil was just on a different planet.
Speaker 1: And so I just got with him and I started
Speaker 1: training with him ever, like three four days a week
Speaker 1: after practice we would go hit it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was the hardest work on that team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4: You guys had some fucking squads, bro. It was always
Speaker 4: surprising that you guys just didn't get over that hump man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you know what kind of because like
Speaker 1: we all put this these emphasis on championships, right, and
Speaker 1: but I will say this, and I know the Patriots
Speaker 1: you know, won rings and stuff during that time. I
Speaker 1: think in that mid two thousands we were the best
Speaker 1: team that never want to changemionship and within that you know,
Speaker 1: two thousand and five twenty ten range, we were so dominant.
Speaker 1: I mean, hell man, our practices some days were harder
Speaker 1: because we had Marty shot Hummer dude. And Marty was
Speaker 1: a type that you love him to death. But Marty
Speaker 1: was a hard ass. You know, he had his times
Speaker 1: where in training him, he'll just gonna tap you and
Speaker 1: just have you doing Oklahoma drills with with the lineman
Speaker 1: or running back like before practice. This is the this
Speaker 1: is the pro. Yeah, pre practice, pre practice fully warmed up,
Speaker 1: not even once you go through the warm ups, no drills. No,
Speaker 1: it was like soon as you warm up. We went
Speaker 1: over to the other field. That's Oklahoma.
Speaker 5: Dre call the boys up, call, Hey, here's what we
Speaker 5: got here, and these calls.
Speaker 4: Out two numbers, that's it.
Speaker 1: And you got a defensive lineman, an offensive lineman or linebacker,
Speaker 1: and a full back and it just smacked.
Speaker 5: It that dude, is that not the ultimate judgment? Like
Speaker 5: when they when the coach calls it up, it's like,
Speaker 5: all right, we got five to one and seven seven
Speaker 5: going out of here. In the Oklahoma drill, you're just
Speaker 5: like a hi. Either you're thinking yourself bro, like this
Speaker 5: dude's a beast, or you're thinking like, if I don't
Speaker 5: win this, I'm gonna catch hell forever. And it's basically
Speaker 5: just hey, you guys got to prove it to me
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 1: And you got everybody watching everybody, so you can if
Speaker 1: you got practice, somebody block you or something. It's covered
Speaker 1: up maybe on film maybe, but if you get blasted
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma drills and everybody's around you, everybody.
Speaker 5: They're jumping over you to get to the guy, and hey,
Speaker 5: hey hell yeah yeah, what were the meeting rooms?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 5: Was he exposing a lot of guys Like if you
Speaker 5: fucked up in practice, we are sitting there and you're like, please, God,
Speaker 5: don't go to this place.
Speaker 1: So he he was like the Marty can get you
Speaker 1: to run through a wall. Like he gave these speeches
Speaker 1: that you want you would get up. I don't care
Speaker 1: what your day was like, you were getting up and
Speaker 1: you were running through a damn wall. But he always
Speaker 1: had this thing where he would if he got too emotions,
Speaker 1: he would he would start tearing up and cry it
Speaker 1: a little bit. Right, So we had this, uh, we
Speaker 1: had this thing in the team meeting room. If we
Speaker 1: had a good game and we're watching the film, you're
Speaker 1: talking about the film and he's pointing out either good
Speaker 1: or black bad plays. But when he's pointing out the
Speaker 1: good is when he started to get like that. So
Speaker 1: we out we got this thing. We started to bet, right,
Speaker 1: So everybody's bringing twenties, got hundreds. It's thousands of dollars
Speaker 1: flowing around, so everybody got cash. In the team meat
Speaker 1: room and we were it was a clock right behind
Speaker 1: Marty and we would look at this clock and we
Speaker 1: say over another a minute and a half before he cries.
Speaker 5: Right, just a minute and a half.
Speaker 1: Ninety second, No, just ninety seconds. Because so after he
Speaker 1: looked at the film and he said, you know a
Speaker 1: guy a big hustle play or running through or jumping
Speaker 1: over a pile or touchdown something big where a guy
Speaker 1: like laid his body on the line. He would get
Speaker 1: emotion about these type of things. So we we had
Speaker 1: this thing. Oh dude, it was.
Speaker 8: It was.
Speaker 1: It was like clockwork, true football guy, no straight football guy,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. And so we all got hundreds and
Speaker 1: twenty sowe I'm I'm I'm coming in there about five
Speaker 1: hundred bucks because we're we're betting now. At this point,
Speaker 1: the clock is right behind him. So soon as he
Speaker 1: turn around from Washington play the time is it starts.
Speaker 1: And so we got got in there. And then before
Speaker 1: he started to tear up, his bottom lip would always
Speaker 1: start to tremble a little bit, right, so we know
Speaker 1: it's coming. So you hear us. And then we're looking
Speaker 1: at the clock because the clock is right behind them,
Speaker 1: and you're.
Speaker 4: Like, damn you.
Speaker 1: Everybody like because they either lost or they won, right,
Speaker 1: and so you hear the guys in they're upset, and
Speaker 1: so all you hear is this crinkled up money passing down.
Speaker 1: Let's fuck you, dude. So you know some time I
Speaker 1: walk out of there with a couple of grand Dude,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's a minute and twenty.
Speaker 5: When did he find out he had?
Speaker 1: He did?
Speaker 4: He did?
Speaker 1: He did? Uh, probably like the fourth or fifth time,
Speaker 1: and uh, we say right when he turned around, he's like,
Speaker 1: I know you mother's betting on it, and so we
Speaker 1: we burst out start laughing, dude, because we knew that
Speaker 1: he had found out that we're betting on him. Whether
Speaker 1: he was going to cry now, but I miss Marty Man.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 1: He was something else. He really he really, like you knew,
Speaker 1: like he was tough as nails, but he'll walk up
Speaker 1: to you in training camp sometime and just tap you.
Speaker 1: But hey, take you know, take the nine oh seven off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll take whatever drills off to rest your body and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So we had a tough part about him.
Speaker 1: But then he had, you know the other side.
Speaker 5: He would go to some guys that put in the work.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It says a lot too, like head coaches who can
Speaker 4: still motivate you through a speech, because you feel like
Speaker 4: when you go through college, you've heard all this stuff right,
Speaker 4: and then as you taste the business of the NFL,
Speaker 4: you know, it kind of gets outside the whole scope
Speaker 4: of the team all the time. So coach, it's able
Speaker 4: to like make you feel something in this speech. I
Speaker 4: remember the first time I heard John Gruden give a
Speaker 4: speech when I was out in Oakland. It was like
Speaker 4: my seventh year, I think, and I just remember being
Speaker 4: like motivated after a practicing back. Man, it's kind of
Speaker 4: been a while since I felt like, yeah, somebody made
Speaker 4: me feel something, like.
Speaker 5: I know, because usually I mean, especially with like Vrabel,
Speaker 5: who had for the longest time, he would always he
Speaker 5: wasn't like a motivator like tell a story, get you
Speaker 5: amped up, but he was a guy that like just
Speaker 5: always had the keys and everything. This is what we
Speaker 5: have to do to win, blah blah blah, and then
Speaker 5: we just send us out. Very rarely in the NFL
Speaker 5: do you feel that, like you know, Friday Night Lights
Speaker 5: have of motivation type ship. But in high school, bro
Speaker 5: high school coaches, I feel like if the best speeches.
Speaker 1: I think, I think now with the NFL, everything is
Speaker 1: so like technical you so you don't get like the emotional, passional,
Speaker 1: passionate speeches. You get like you know this many times
Speaker 1: you know this many percentages and breaking down numbers and
Speaker 1: shit like you got a handful of coaches still have
Speaker 1: that that passion gets you know, gets you up and
Speaker 1: run through a wall. But for the most part, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, culture, take the sheet out and like, hey,
Speaker 1: we were thirty seven percent of sudden says down. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying. So it's become a lot
Speaker 1: more technical, like, yeah, a lot more data driven.
Speaker 5: Guys are trying to figure stuff out because I feel
Speaker 5: like the game has become sober fine, like everyone is
Speaker 5: so much faster, stronger, bigger, and techniques have gotten a
Speaker 5: lot better too, So everyone's trying to find that small
Speaker 5: little thing. You see a couple of years ago with
Speaker 5: the Patriots doing the field goal bringing a guy from
Speaker 5: the sideline and running in. That was like a new
Speaker 5: little wrinkle they throwed, and so every once in a
Speaker 5: while there's a new change. But yeah, it's very much
Speaker 5: on the on the numbers. It's a very numbers game.
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Speaker 4: It is a game changer. Back to this episode, one
Speaker 4: thing that.
Speaker 5: Hasn't changed though is rookie hazing. Yeah, and it has
Speaker 5: changed a little bit, Like you're not as hard as
Speaker 5: it used to be. But back in your day, what
Speaker 5: was that rookie hazen like your rookie year, Because I
Speaker 5: feel like.
Speaker 4: What you talked about being cocky's probably one of those
Speaker 4: asshole rookies too, where it's like, come.
Speaker 5: On, bro, just be a part of it.
Speaker 4: Just at guys come in, they'll be like yo, I'm
Speaker 4: not doing this. Sh It's like, yeah, God showed the cycle,
Speaker 4: like okay, so.
Speaker 1: This so okay.
Speaker 4: So this is the thing.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 1: I was like if a guy asked me to carry
Speaker 1: hell man pick stuff up, no problem. But then you
Speaker 1: got some of the guys that like go over board,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I'm still a man, you know,
Speaker 1: for I'm not you know.
Speaker 5: Exactly what we thought.
Speaker 9: He was.
Speaker 4: Loos like good luck, yeah, and it was that.
Speaker 1: It was that, you know, I had big Jamal Way
Speaker 1: in to play detackle for us. We had we had
Speaker 1: Randall Godfrey and Donnie like Donnie Edwards. We had some
Speaker 1: real o gs and the locker room. So they told
Speaker 1: me to pick some stuff up off the field. That
Speaker 1: no problem. But then you have to put your foot
Speaker 1: down and say listen, bro, like enough's enough. I mean
Speaker 1: what I mean, like, what are you gonna do at
Speaker 1: this point? And then you ask him it's like okay, at.
Speaker 5: The end of that, no one really wants to fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what they did do to me though,
Speaker 1: They they got me with that rookie dinner. Dude, Oh
Speaker 1: how much thirty thirty two RECs no way, whole defense,
Speaker 1: whole team, so everybody, So yeah.
Speaker 4: Because now this guy, I feel like he's broken up
Speaker 4: off defense.
Speaker 1: No, it's so they I think they changed it after me.
Speaker 1: It was either me, it was either a dude it
Speaker 1: was it was it was a record that you don't
Speaker 1: want to have, you know, And so I think it
Speaker 1: was either me or Davis Bryant. But so they got there.
Speaker 1: And if you're four years in which you've vested after
Speaker 1: four years, right that wong two. After four years, you
Speaker 1: were invited to this rookie dinner and normally the first
Speaker 1: round draft pick he pays. And yeah, I told this story,
Speaker 1: you know a few different times. Man, But long story show.
Speaker 1: We go to this place in Delmark called Pop and
Speaker 1: Moose Grill and I have no idea. But I just
Speaker 1: turned twenty one that season, so I got no idea,
Speaker 1: like what all this stuff costs. And you know, like bottles,
Speaker 1: don't understand it. Ud Like Drew Brees got me with
Speaker 1: like two or three the bottles of wine. It were
Speaker 1: like a thousand apiece and I got, dude, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of wine, and so I'm saying wine in the liquor store.
Speaker 1: You think, like, okay, it's one hundred bucks to whatever, Max,
Speaker 1: you know, and you find out those are thousands, and
Speaker 1: he's sitting there with bout two bottles and then in
Speaker 1: his hand like that. But me, Jamal Williams and uh
Speaker 1: and Antonio Gates was drinking like this alcohol that I
Speaker 1: didn't know at the time called Louis de bro they ordered,
Speaker 1: so they ordered one. My dumb ass, I ordered two
Speaker 1: more than not knowing how much it was, you know.
Speaker 1: So anyway we go and everybody's eating good and all
Speaker 1: this other stuff. At the end of the night, the
Speaker 1: owner of the restaurant come and say, Sean, need to
Speaker 1: see you in the back. I was like, for what, like,
Speaker 1: bring around, ye, I'm at the chef.
Speaker 7: You know, the chef.
Speaker 1: He's a fan fan, all right, Yeah, No, that wasn't
Speaker 1: the case. He was like, man, I need to I
Speaker 1: need to see you in the back. And I'm getting
Speaker 1: frustrated at this points. I already told him twice. I
Speaker 1: said just bring the bill, man, I'm trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: get out there. So she said, please just do me
Speaker 1: a favor of calling me in the back. So I
Speaker 1: going back in the kitchen area and he gives me.
Speaker 1: He gives me this receipt. Dude, to drop down like
Speaker 1: a safeway or see es to my feet cartoon, Oh dude,
Speaker 1: to my feet. I couldn't believe. And I was like, man, y'all,
Speaker 1: you need a mistake or something like did you accidentally
Speaker 1: print it too many times? I didn't know what was
Speaker 1: going on, and so anyway, I looked at the bottom
Speaker 1: of this thing and I lifted up and I got
Speaker 1: finally got to the bottom and it was like thirty
Speaker 1: two grand, one hundred and something dollars or something. In
Speaker 1: my heart just I just dropped. My heart dropped to
Speaker 1: my socks. I mean, I literally my heart because I've
Speaker 1: never seen anything like this before in my life. So
Speaker 1: you know, when the bill bad and I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys ever did this or not, but if
Speaker 1: you're out with a group of people and somebody who's
Speaker 1: trying to divide the bill up and stuff, you start
Speaker 1: looking at him like, dude, I didn't order garlic mash potatoes,
Speaker 1: Like the bill's thirty two grand? What the hell is? Like?
Speaker 1: What does it matter at that point? Right? But I'm
Speaker 1: so I'm sick and I'm trying to get out of
Speaker 1: this bill, and uh so I got my I got
Speaker 1: my black card, I gave him my black cart and
Speaker 1: I'm hoping.
Speaker 5: Old on all right, Yeah, that's a nice little flex,
Speaker 5: but because one car, only one with a black car.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping. I'm praying to God to this sting
Speaker 1: the clines. I'm praying for the one time you know,
Speaker 1: you're somewhere, you're traveling and you like man that Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm literally in my head, I'm begging for
Speaker 1: this thing to the decline. Dude, I'm like, please, if
Speaker 1: they called me and then I give me enough time
Speaker 1: to go and work work a deal out or work
Speaker 1: the bill out, and they I gave it to him,
Speaker 1: and I'm and I'm hoping that when he comes back,
Speaker 1: he says, hey, you got to call him. And I
Speaker 1: was going to tell him, like, I'll just call him
Speaker 1: tomorrow or something. And just I worked the bill out separately.
Speaker 1: Something down the road. They had me and that ship
Speaker 1: went through. Nobody called me, No, no one from American
Speaker 1: Express called me at all. Bro.
Speaker 4: I was so sick.
Speaker 1: I was so sick. I couldn't believe it. And uh,
Speaker 1: I just I was so that whole day, but my
Speaker 1: stomach was just nots I couldn't believe that just happened was.
Speaker 5: Back then, were they added gratuity already already at yeah,
Speaker 5: because it would have been way worse.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think I had the stomach to
Speaker 1: put my pen in that paper and at a tip
Speaker 1: like at that time. I don't think I could have done.
Speaker 5: You know, dude, my rookie, my rookie dinner. I literally
Speaker 5: my credit was so bad, I had, you know whatever.
Speaker 5: I was a first round draft pick, but my credit
Speaker 5: was so bad that I had my credit card with
Speaker 5: one thousand dollars max on it for the month. So
Speaker 5: I'd like call my bank and be like, hey, I'm
Speaker 5: doing a rookie dinner to night. I need you to
Speaker 5: get that max. It was like two hours, two hour process.
Speaker 5: It's like five grand.
Speaker 4: I wish thirty two is nothing. I remember it's like
Speaker 4: twenty something when I was thirty two is a lot.
Speaker 4: Because it'd be like they'd have the draft picks and
Speaker 4: like that. I want to say it was like the
Speaker 4: top two or three rounds, like they'd split it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: be like twenty something grand, but they'd split it. I
Speaker 4: haven't seen like a thirty two. Yeah. I never even
Speaker 4: hurt like anything over sixteen, Like thirty two is coo.
Speaker 1: It was disgusting. I mean it was, it was.
Speaker 5: It was what we would do is we would get
Speaker 5: like towards the end, we would get the rookies, have
Speaker 5: them come in, we go to a nice place, and
Speaker 5: then we get Louise shots for everybody. But we would
Speaker 5: tell the restaurant like, hey, just do one Louis shot
Speaker 5: for whoever's paying for the dinner, and then just bring
Speaker 5: the rest of us like you know, plastic. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: had something ridiculous fuck with And then like we were
Speaker 5: telling them, hey, am that bill up? So the bill
Speaker 5: would be like you know, at the end, like we
Speaker 5: would do like thirteen hundred fourteen hudred bucks. It won't
Speaker 5: be that much, but would make it look like ten thousand,
Speaker 5: fifteen thousand dollars. So they'd be sweating and hurt and
Speaker 5: you get to see the pain in their face and
Speaker 5: then you'd be hey, man, it's all good. Take a
Speaker 5: zero off that year.
Speaker 1: If my bill was ten thousand, I would have been
Speaker 1: happy as hell. Really, oh man, I would have been excited.
Speaker 1: I would have been so happy if that bill was
Speaker 1: ten k. God, because thirty two, man, it was like
Speaker 1: a you know, at that time. The most expensive thing
Speaker 1: I would have bought was a house. Yeah, and I didn't. Well,
Speaker 1: I bought a car, but outside of that, I had
Speaker 1: nothing that expensive.
Speaker 5: And what was that first car you were driving in, Rookie.
Speaker 1: G Wagon and I bought it. I bought the g
Speaker 1: Wagon one hundred and fifty right there, Yeah about that,
Speaker 1: And I said that the West Coast customs, you know
Speaker 1: when I got when I got out there decked out
Speaker 1: g wagon. But I got that car. I got that
Speaker 1: truck because of LeVar Arrington, who was who was my mentor,
Speaker 1: my bigger brother, my older brother, and I remember he
Speaker 1: at the time, he was and Serena and they were
Speaker 1: coming to my games, so Vaarn Serena Williams. They were
Speaker 1: coming my football games. And so he would drive up
Speaker 1: on the field, bro and that thing. And I just
Speaker 1: look over and I was like, man, when I get
Speaker 1: some money, man, I'm I'm gonna get one.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Is that your first big purchase?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a ride off too, treo or five thousand
Speaker 4: pounds businessman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll let them. I'll left it. At that time,
Speaker 1: but I was blown. I was blowing it up. So
Speaker 1: I ain't good ship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you were definitely the rookie showing up day one
Speaker 5: with the Louis bag, Gucci.
Speaker 4: Gucci new chain, the whole thing, no doubt, the most
Speaker 4: expensive piece of jewelry you bought.
Speaker 1: I had one hundred thousand dollars chain, like one hundred.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was definitely wearing a lot of jewels.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: You know he spent a lot of money with that
Speaker 5: first photo they popped up with their little landing strip
Speaker 5: right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah about that fashion that went on right there, I
Speaker 1: had about that was about seventy right there, sixty or seventy,
Speaker 1: but I had one it was one hundred. No ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you ever hazing the rookies? Not?
Speaker 1: You know what I used to do to guys. I
Speaker 1: would I would have to break my There's the only
Speaker 1: thing I really did. I would n't break my cleats.
Speaker 1: And because I had it wearing new shoes, so I
Speaker 1: would let them get the blisters and ship, you know,
Speaker 1: like you have them wear them, yeah, for a practice
Speaker 1: for practice, and they've given them me no ship. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be so mad.
Speaker 5: If someone's like, you need to wear these cleats, I'm like, bro,
Speaker 5: I have to breaking my own.
Speaker 4: What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That was, but that was that was as far
Speaker 1: as I got. I didn't do anything more than that.
Speaker 5: Dude, talk to me about So you're you're out in
Speaker 5: the Northeast, you're in Maryland, and then you get drafted
Speaker 5: about the Chargers.
Speaker 4: Were you just like so hyped up? Have you been
Speaker 4: to California before this time?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 1: Never? The only time? Well, I take that back, I
Speaker 1: did on my visit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so do I never even see the top thirties. Yeah, okay, gotcha.
Speaker 1: And so we got there when they when they brought
Speaker 1: me out, I never seen like palm trees and stuff
Speaker 1: like that in person. That was my first time like
Speaker 1: actually seeing right, you know, So going over and you
Speaker 1: see you know that peb area and you see all
Speaker 1: the water, and I said, dude, this is like a dream. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I wish I could get drafted here, this is
Speaker 1: like paradise.
Speaker 4: You didn't care to go all the way across the country.
Speaker 1: No, No, In fact, I wanted to because you know,
Speaker 1: high school in Maryland, college in Maryland, so I actually
Speaker 1: wanted to go, you know, got them on the West coast.
Speaker 1: So I took the trip to Dallas, I took to
Speaker 1: the trip to Detroit, the Charges and then then Redskins
Speaker 1: at the time because they were home.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I met with them three four and they
Speaker 1: told me, they said, look, if we don't think you'll
Speaker 1: be around the twelfth pick, we think we'll go somewhere
Speaker 1: in the top five, top seven, definitely top ten. Anything
Speaker 1: I would get outside that top ten. But I said,
Speaker 1: if you do, we're gonna We're gonna draft you. This
Speaker 1: is coming from A. J. Smith, that's the time the
Speaker 1: general manager.
Speaker 4: Where'd you think you were going when you were coming
Speaker 4: in the draft?
Speaker 1: Either one of San fran or three to Cleveland. I
Speaker 1: thought I was going to either one of those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I didn't go there with so many options because
Speaker 1: I came out and I was like two seventy all
Speaker 1: the scouts initially thought I was like around two forty five,
Speaker 1: and I waited in a two seventy two. So now
Speaker 1: you had they didn't know if I was gonna play
Speaker 1: outs on linebacker defensive end. They couldn't believe I was
Speaker 1: moving around like that at that size, you know, so
Speaker 1: they just you know, So so now it went from
Speaker 1: like possibly going top fifteen to like now that top
Speaker 1: five to seven, and so yeah, man, I thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna go one of San Francy got Alex Smith
Speaker 1: went and then three to Cleveland. They chose Braylor Needwards.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then the then Redskins that year got who they got.
Speaker 1: They got Calos Rogers right the cornerback from like Auburn,
Speaker 1: Auburn right. And then I went to go meet with Dallas.
Speaker 1: And the thing is with Dallas, I met with Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones and Bill Bill Parcells. So they told me that
Speaker 1: they want to draft me.
Speaker 4: You're thinking Bill Parcells yet you're thinking you're about to
Speaker 4: have the star on your on the side of your house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. The room that the office that me and me,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells, and it was probably about
Speaker 1: the size of this bus, like this just how tight
Speaker 1: it felt really, And you got like Jerry Jones sitting
Speaker 1: right there. You got Bill Parcells sitting there, dude. And
Speaker 1: I'm a twenty I don't even think I was twenty
Speaker 1: one yet. I think I was twenty and I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there and do you could like I felt, it was
Speaker 1: two pop big powerhouses in the room. And you got
Speaker 1: Bill Parcells was just tough as nails, and you got
Speaker 1: Jerry Jerry Jones sitting right there, and so Jerry's like
Speaker 1: sitting with sitting up on the desk with his leg
Speaker 1: up on the desk and say, you know, Sean, if
Speaker 1: you you know, if you if you're there an eleven pick,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna draft you. And then Bill Parcells
Speaker 1: tells me said, yeah, we're gonna draft you. We want
Speaker 1: you here. As soon as you get here, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: work your ass to death. This when he told me
Speaker 1: Bill Parcells. Bill Parcells said, as soon as you get here,
Speaker 1: we're gonna work your ass to death. And in my head,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, man, I'm not trying to fuck. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to come here.
Speaker 5: You know, real, no, no, just a little coaching, we're
Speaker 5: gonna work.
Speaker 4: That's good enough for me.
Speaker 5: Were you surprised going from like, well, this is a
Speaker 5: big spress for me. Is like being in college and
Speaker 5: seeing the facilities and then going to places I haven't
Speaker 5: been in the Charges facility in San Diego but notoriously
Speaker 5: a very cheap franchise, and so you kind of see
Speaker 5: all these other ones. Were you surprised at how maybe
Speaker 5: the Charges were or washed was compared to Dallas.
Speaker 1: Well, you you know. I mean, you always got this
Speaker 1: this thing with like America's team anyway, Like you got
Speaker 1: this a Dallas Cowboys, and people just knew they were
Speaker 1: like the team, the team. Yeah, and then you know
Speaker 1: it's Texas football in general is just a whole different beast.
Speaker 1: But then you got Dallas Cowboys. And for me, when
Speaker 1: I got to San Diego, it was more like, dude,
Speaker 1: I stepped I got off the plane. It was seventy
Speaker 1: five degrees and the best weather you can have asked.
Speaker 1: It was almost not real, Like it just didn't it
Speaker 1: didn't feel rich. Taxes Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: but you make enough money, you're not thinking about that
Speaker 1: at the time. Now as much as I know now,
Speaker 1: I'm like.
Speaker 5: You know, right, goddamn, just going like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: That Bill Parcel, like please work, my please work.
Speaker 5: Right in the state of Texas, I could have say
Speaker 5: so much money, Yeah, no doubt, dude. And it is
Speaker 5: crazy too because like I don't know, let's just say this,
Speaker 5: taxes were the same in Texas As or California was
Speaker 5: the same as tex Bro It beat the most overflooded
Speaker 5: state of all time. It is so beautiful, it is
Speaker 5: such a beautiful place, especially southern California.
Speaker 1: I still argue with people, I think the San Diego
Speaker 1: is the best places in the country.
Speaker 4: It might be like you know, I just a lot
Speaker 4: of people feel that way, especially when they've had like
Speaker 4: a month or two there. Ye yeah, yeah, I was
Speaker 4: just there two months ago for four or five days. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 4: you go.
Speaker 5: That's where I would train in the off season. I
Speaker 5: would go to Encinitas, Oh yeah, and I would be
Speaker 5: in Carlsbad at the Excess over there, And I was
Speaker 5: just like, dude, this is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It just seems like, you know, constant vacation on a
Speaker 1: permanent vacation living out there.
Speaker 5: So when you're so you're following in the draft, you think, one,
Speaker 5: how dope, wu it'd be to be the first overall
Speaker 5: pick in a draft, Like what a milestone? What an
Speaker 5: opportunity that comes and goes? Yeah, three comes, It's like,
Speaker 5: all right, it is Cleveland, but still top three would
Speaker 5: be insane. That goes where's your mind?
Speaker 4: Where your mind at?
Speaker 5: As you start essentially falling in this draft.
Speaker 1: Uh well, it moved to like six or seven because
Speaker 1: I think the Vikings had six or seven. Yes, they
Speaker 1: had seven that year, and so Mike type he played
Speaker 1: football at University of Maryland. So I thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna be Minnesota after that. Once once in Minnesota passed,
Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna be Dallas for or the
Speaker 1: charges like.
Speaker 4: You feel any type of way when they grabbed the
Speaker 4: Marcus ware, Not.
Speaker 1: Not really because you fall one pick and then all
Speaker 1: it wasn't you know, and there was also a team
Speaker 1: you wouldn't you wanted to go to? You get what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So wasn't that. Now I'm mad because they
Speaker 1: told me what they told me. I went home and
Speaker 1: telling my family, right, you know that that part I
Speaker 1: was pissed off about because what happened was half my
Speaker 1: family was divided up between bit coming from the d
Speaker 1: m V area, between then Redskins fans and you know Dallas.
Speaker 1: It is rivalry, you know, bath my family half and half.
Speaker 1: So half my family was excited, other half my family
Speaker 1: was pissed off, you know. So what they did was
Speaker 1: is that my family was Dallas Cowboy fans. They went
Speaker 1: out got custom made fifty six merriment jerseys, and so
Speaker 1: my other men, the Redskins fans, spend the time, went
Speaker 1: out and got fifty six Ridskins jerseys. And so when
Speaker 1: the Radskins were the clock, which I think they were
Speaker 1: like the ninth pick or something like that, or ninth
Speaker 1: or tenth pick, ninth pick, they were on the clock,
Speaker 1: and uh, when they passed me, you just heard the
Speaker 1: win let let it out the oh shit, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of wasted a bunch of on custom jersey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: rip ripped the jerseys out the bag, threw them in
Speaker 1: the back. So you heard that part. And so the
Speaker 1: rest of my family was excited because they knew I
Speaker 1: was going just knew I was going to the Cowboys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so they guy, I hear the bags. So but
Speaker 1: because they're all taking the jerseys out of the out
Speaker 1: of out of the bags. And so the Cowboys passed
Speaker 1: me up, you heard the same thing, ship just slamming
Speaker 1: the you know, slamming the jerseys or whatever. And then
Speaker 1: and then I got a call from from Marty. And
Speaker 1: at this time, you know, like if you felt like
Speaker 1: people passed it, you got a chip point, you got
Speaker 1: a chip point you show. Not just the Cowboys, it
Speaker 1: was like everybody who passed up. So I felt like
Speaker 1: that out of chip my shoulder for that reason, and
Speaker 1: so Marty called me. He was like, hey, just Sean Raymon.
Speaker 1: I say, yes, this is Sean. Hey, this coach Schattenhammer.
Speaker 1: You ready to be a charger? And I was like,
Speaker 1: hell yeah, you guys ready to call me? Call my
Speaker 1: name so I can get out there and get to work.
Speaker 1: And after that it was it was kind of history.
Speaker 4: I was reading where what was the learning curve like
Speaker 4: for you when you did finally arrive at training camp?
Speaker 4: Obviously you was talking about Lorenzo and Neil and everything else,
Speaker 4: but I want to say I read or heard you
Speaker 4: talking about how basically there were structure in the game
Speaker 4: playing around you because you weren't necessarily privy to what
Speaker 4: was even going on on the field.
Speaker 1: Dude, I knew nothing, which is crazy. Dude, I knew nothing,
Speaker 1: and because I got there so late, and mind you,
Speaker 1: you know the playbooks, and I try to tell everybody like,
Speaker 1: the playbooks are this big, and when you play a
Speaker 1: stronger weekside linebacker, it changes depending on what side of
Speaker 1: the strength, so your whole responsibility may change. And then
Speaker 1: the game is so fast, you got guys motioning, shifting,
Speaker 1: and then Hutt, your mind is just I couldn't catch up,
Speaker 1: you know. And so finally I great MANASKI as up
Speaker 1: my linebacker coach.
Speaker 4: He was my DC in Washington.
Speaker 1: Yeah, coach due with the best, the best, the best
Speaker 1: dude and the character beyond believe.
Speaker 4: On the board he was. He's like one of the
Speaker 4: most fun coaches I've ever had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the best and uh. And then John Pagano was
Speaker 1: also an assistant linebacker coach. Okay, and Waye Phillips was
Speaker 1: the court. I had a great I had a great,
Speaker 1: great coach that three different you know, one one of
Speaker 1: them obviously ended up being a head coach was a
Speaker 1: head coach. And Waye Phillips and you had Monusky, who
Speaker 1: has been around as a player, as a coach decordinator,
Speaker 1: and then John Pagano also as a coach defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: as well. So I really had like three really like
Speaker 1: great coaches. So they finally they knew I can play,
Speaker 1: They knew I can run and with fast and all
Speaker 1: this ship or whatever. They brought me after practice one
Speaker 1: day in a lineback of meeting room and Waye Phillips
Speaker 1: and Monusky sitting right here, and Pegana's sitting here, and
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips right here is like listen, seball gobo, And
Speaker 1: I'm confused. I'm thinking like they're playing, like they're testing me, right,
Speaker 1: because I don't know what that means. They said, we
Speaker 1: want you to see ball, go ball. I said, coach,
Speaker 1: what does that? What does that mean? They said, well,
Speaker 1: when you see the ball, go to it. We'll line
Speaker 1: you up. And that was it. So when they called
Speaker 1: the strength that they called a strong side, the weak side,
Speaker 1: blitch whatever I knew I had to go to the strength.
Speaker 1: And they say, your name is called, you go. And
Speaker 1: when your name is not called, you drop. That was
Speaker 1: my playbook for the first life four to six weeks.
Speaker 4: And when do you say when your name is called,
Speaker 4: is it baked into the call? Like is the Mike
Speaker 4: Backer saying.
Speaker 1: Yep a Sam Mike a Sam Mike blast right, So
Speaker 1: saying I'm strong side Sam, I'm blitching. If they said
Speaker 1: we'll cover three or whatever it is, my name not called,
Speaker 1: I got the drop a girl, drop a cirl flat.
Speaker 4: Even then it's just him answer that shakey. You want
Speaker 4: to make sure Sean's blitzing everything else? Am I going
Speaker 4: back to a hook.
Speaker 1: And look in his own dog. They shifted, you know,
Speaker 1: one of those things because it's the work is it's
Speaker 1: literally the worst feeling, like you don't know what the
Speaker 1: hell's going on, And so they made it so it
Speaker 1: was seaball go ball due for the first four to
Speaker 1: six week and that helped. Yeah, And then by like
Speaker 1: week six, I was able to be in a changeable,
Speaker 1: unchangeable on side. I didn't have to switch size anymore.
Speaker 1: I knew that if a shift was or the strength shift,
Speaker 1: then I can pick up on what the whale was
Speaker 1: supposed to do. Right, So by by week six, I
Speaker 1: was clicking.
Speaker 4: That's when you're feeling good.
Speaker 1: I was good.
Speaker 5: There is not a worst feeling in the world when
Speaker 5: a call is made and you're like trying to ask
Speaker 5: somebody what the hell you're supposed.
Speaker 1: To be doing. I was gonna blitz that like nomter failed,
Speaker 1: they failed, just get the sacked up. Oh yeah, good play,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah. How many sacks did you get when you weren't
Speaker 4: even supposed to rush?
Speaker 1: Oh shit, probably at least ten?
Speaker 5: Probably, Yeah, like you have like thirty nine the first
Speaker 5: three years, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like thirty nine forty and then and that was when
Speaker 1: I was suspended, No six, you know, eight seventeen teen
Speaker 1: Sacks and No.
Speaker 4: Six h bro talk about the suspension, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: the lure, the mystery, Yeah, the sewn Merryman p the
Speaker 4: steroids getting injured afterwards, like the entire career of Sean Merryman.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: People always ask and talk about ped situation.
Speaker 1: I think I think it was so big at that time.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the biggest thing because all that stuff
Speaker 1: was going with Balco. That's why it was so. It
Speaker 1: was so big. It was like when Valco was going
Speaker 1: after every like it was so big. The track Star,
Speaker 1: the track and Field remind me stuff that was the
Speaker 1: Victor CONTI like the track stars, Like who was actually
Speaker 1: going to see doctors in like clinics.
Speaker 4: Probably doctor in ohiot.
Speaker 1: This was this was massive. This was like the whole
Speaker 1: things where they were trying to tie Berry bonds. So
Speaker 1: this was like the big Yeah, this is Sosa. This
Speaker 1: was that era when all that happened. And so when
Speaker 1: I got suspended, I was like I got thrown right
Speaker 1: in the mix with all of them, and I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I've never seen a doctor for ship, you know I
Speaker 1: got I got suspended for something that was over the counter,
Speaker 1: like like you can go to any vitamin shop or whatever.
Speaker 1: And what happened was that they put it on the
Speaker 1: list from the previous year. Wasn't there right, And so
Speaker 1: me being me, I didn't. I didn't look at anything.
Speaker 1: So when the PA sends out this new thing before
Speaker 1: and it was on there, there wasn't to shoot you
Speaker 1: the email all the bands, right, or they bring it
Speaker 1: into and they do that that talk before the year
Speaker 1: to come in. But I just I just balled it
Speaker 1: up and put it in my locker because I was like,
Speaker 1: it's been am not taking anything different. And so I
Speaker 1: actually got suspended during the off season. I got tested
Speaker 1: during the off season and at the time I was
Speaker 1: tested twenty times. This was my twentieth tests that I felt.
Speaker 4: And twentieth tests that you faded.
Speaker 1: I mean sorry, twenty test that I took, twentieth one
Speaker 1: that I felt the twentieth tests because they were testing
Speaker 1: ship on my like all the time, dude. They was like,
Speaker 1: hold on this rookie out here, like you know and
Speaker 1: so and so I got tested and two months before
Speaker 1: the season started, or a month and a half before
Speaker 1: season started, so it takes like six eight weeks before
Speaker 1: some time you get your results back. But I actually popped.
Speaker 1: I got suspended during the off season. I took my
Speaker 1: suspension during the season, at no point in time to
Speaker 1: ever test positive after that. It was that particular time
Speaker 1: during the off season of the supplements I was taken
Speaker 1: and I wasn't. It was on the band list, and
Speaker 1: I just didn't know. And and so when I sent
Speaker 1: everything in, I forgot the guy's name in Ohio who
Speaker 1: was who's the head of the he was the one
Speaker 1: to do the testing, and you talk to I forgot
Speaker 1: his name probably yeah, And so through the NFL and
Speaker 1: they said, Sean, look we understand, but whatever you put
Speaker 1: in your body is on you regardless. And I said, hey,
Speaker 1: could I mean cause you got just find me the
Speaker 1: four games and no suspect. I was trying to figure
Speaker 1: out a way because I sent him the supplement and
Speaker 1: he's like, yep, this is it, but it's it's on
Speaker 1: the it's on the list. I said, well, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to beat the system here it is. I sent
Speaker 1: it to him.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: I even hired how the attorney, and I hired some
Speaker 1: some doctors and scientists from U C.
Speaker 7: L A.
Speaker 1: I spent a ton of money to show them like
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to beat the system and what was
Speaker 1: this was cool? And I know Roger Goodell gets a
Speaker 1: lot of slack, but he did something he didn't have
Speaker 1: to do because he felt that that I was being
Speaker 1: unfairly treated because of this thing. You know, Roger Goodell
Speaker 1: actually came out and said he told the public that
Speaker 1: I had tested twenty twenty times, nineteen of them clean
Speaker 1: without a problem, and this is the twentieth time that
Speaker 1: I got it. And and I called him, I said, hey,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, man. You didn't have to You didn't
Speaker 1: have to do that, because he also felt like, hey,
Speaker 1: look these are the rules, but how I was being
Speaker 1: treated at that time for that wasn't fair.
Speaker 5: Right, can you on like how you're being treated? You're
Speaker 5: just in you're just guilty and well.
Speaker 4: You know, so like people because you're not the only
Speaker 4: one with the PD suspensioned on the bus right. I did,
Speaker 4: I did, I had, I had a little Austrian incident.
Speaker 4: It was I went through the whole thing.
Speaker 5: I got tested in may Or, I tested in March,
Speaker 5: got tested again in April May March, was cleaned in April.
Speaker 5: I had like trace amounts for a thing called Austrian right,
Speaker 5: And I went through this whole. I did a lot
Speaker 5: of tector tests, like just trying to prove that I'm innocent, right,
Speaker 5: and you have to spend it anyway, right, to spend
Speaker 5: it four games?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so that's that's the thing. It's you know,
Speaker 1: they make it clear that they don't give it. Damn
Speaker 1: what you put like, it's you. Whatever you take, it's
Speaker 1: on you. And so I was like, you know, I
Speaker 1: get it, but at least you guys see what I
Speaker 1: was taking. I'm not trying to hide it. And they said,
Speaker 1: we get it, we understand, but you still put it
Speaker 1: in your body. It's on you. So and I don't
Speaker 1: know how long it took for you to get your
Speaker 1: your test back, but it took me like six to
Speaker 1: eight weeks about that, right. And so when I do
Speaker 1: this was happening. This is the craziest ship. So when
Speaker 1: I tested positive for for the PDS, I didn't get
Speaker 1: a letter from the NFL until after week one. We
Speaker 1: played the Raiders and this didn't help. We played the
Speaker 1: Raiders Monday night and I opened up with like three
Speaker 1: four sacks the first game of the year, right, going.
Speaker 4: Crazy, going you know that offensive line was like I
Speaker 4: knew it.
Speaker 1: Everybody like it's because you know, like you know, I was.
Speaker 1: I was big at the you know, like put together.
Speaker 1: So they look they're looking at it, like.
Speaker 4: Look at you. You don't say, bro.
Speaker 5: I was kind of jacked.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you don't top of a brick wall.
Speaker 1: He said, what's up?
Speaker 5: Like god, damn, all right?
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was one of those things where I got to
Speaker 1: four sacks and I came back. It was a Monday
Speaker 1: night game. We got back from Oakland Tuesday and I
Speaker 1: go on my locker and there's a fed X in
Speaker 1: my locker. So the only thing for that at the
Speaker 1: time that I knew. They said I was fine and
Speaker 1: a fed X, and I said, oh, should we just
Speaker 1: played yesterday so they can't find why they find me already?
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, they're starting this year again, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to come after me. And I opened up that
Speaker 1: letter and it showed exactly like what the you know,
Speaker 1: You've been suspended for this, this, this, this, And I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it like it's some kind of joke, because
Speaker 1: we do we play some sick jokes on each each
Speaker 1: other in the locker room. Do we play so many
Speaker 1: like just cruel, messed up jokes to each other. So
Speaker 1: I'm thinking like one of one of the linebackers or
Speaker 1: one of the DB's that like typed up some letter
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm really thinking they're playing around with me,
Speaker 1: you know. And I took it to the train of
Speaker 1: James Collins and I said, James, I said, this is
Speaker 1: not funny. Man, who's doing the ship? I said, what
Speaker 1: is this from? And he read? He said, yeah, it
Speaker 1: looks like you know, the NFL suspending you for I
Speaker 1: said that it's real. He said, yeah, shruck go. And
Speaker 1: I called my I call my agent. At the time,
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out. I don't know what the hell is
Speaker 1: going on. Gotta be a mistake. I'm thinking like it
Speaker 1: has to be a mistake.
Speaker 4: That rage is coming out. You know, we wrote this goddamn.
Speaker 1: Uh And so you know, I'm like, this thiss gotta
Speaker 1: be a joke. It's got to be something like, you know,
Speaker 1: because what I thought, like steroids needles, that's what you know.
Speaker 1: I'm like, from where I from, where where I come from.
Speaker 1: We don't know about that type of ship, you know.
Speaker 1: We bare looking afford food like, we ain't buy no
Speaker 1: extra steroids if we're buying something that was gonna be food. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I didn't know that life. So I always
Speaker 1: started like, well, this got to be wrong because I didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm not shooting nothing in my ass. And so later
Speaker 1: on I ended up finding out that there can't. There's
Speaker 1: stuff stimulants and all kind of shit and other stuff tainted.
Speaker 4: It's a whole different world.
Speaker 1: It's a whole different world.
Speaker 4: Any like nutrition of any supplement store you walk into.
Speaker 1: Yeah something yeah, yeah, and it's that one little dyna
Speaker 1: like the's a long name, right, And I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: not a signist. How am I supposed to know that
Speaker 1: this means steroids? You know? You just don't know. So anyway,
Speaker 1: you just knew it was helpful. I just knew it
Speaker 1: got got me extra workout.
Speaker 4: In season, work out. Hey, Kathy's crazy, and this one
Speaker 4: I go all day.
Speaker 5: I was like, my bench is gone up fifty pounds.
Speaker 1: Like I said, they're curling two hundred.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 5: You're running around the facility confused. People are like, come on, man,
Speaker 5: what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: No, no, for real, And so I got I was suspended.
Speaker 1: They gave me an option, which was which was really dope,
Speaker 1: and so I peeled it because we wanted to figure
Speaker 1: out like what was what was wrong. We had to
Speaker 1: pill it so we wouldn't just take it right away.
Speaker 1: But what I did was I looked at the schedule
Speaker 1: and saw who we had there, and we had a
Speaker 1: four game stretch and at the time, they wasn't that good.
Speaker 1: We had at the Bengals, the Browns, we had four teams.
Speaker 1: It wasn't good. So the team was basically like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't need you these weeks. So I took my
Speaker 1: I dropped the appeal, and I took my suspension. So
Speaker 1: I didn't even fight it anymore because it was like, again,
Speaker 1: you're gonna take a lot of teche. You can do
Speaker 1: whatever you want, right They're gonna suspend you even now,
Speaker 1: like it's.
Speaker 4: The NSF certified, but they even say even if an
Speaker 4: NSF certified, it's still on you, no doubt about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a whole bunch of batches. I could go
Speaker 5: on for thirty minutes. I'm gone through the whole entire process.
Speaker 1: So like you you know that first of all, people
Speaker 1: look at us anyway, they think we all on some shit.
Speaker 1: I mean, the regular person, you know, look at this way,
Speaker 1: and he got to be on whatever, right because they
Speaker 1: can't understand like some of us is is just were
Speaker 1: just built differently. We're working out six seven days a
Speaker 1: week where our bodies are trained to do. So the
Speaker 1: regular person, I was already like and then me on
Speaker 1: top of that, out there playing and acting the way
Speaker 1: I was, it was like, yeah, him for sure, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I was like, God, damn, you almost get
Speaker 1: you get tagged with that no matter what. And I
Speaker 1: came back and I had more sacks when like so,
Speaker 1: I didn't test even during the season. I didn't test positive.
Speaker 1: This is during the off season. And what I can
Speaker 1: what I found out it stays in your system for
Speaker 1: like a few weeks up to thirty days. It stays
Speaker 1: in your system. So never tested it for anything during
Speaker 1: the season. But when I came back, I was so
Speaker 1: pissed off, like I had a chip on my shoulder
Speaker 1: at that point. I was because I read all this
Speaker 1: stuff and dude, I was it was on CNN, like
Speaker 1: Al Jazeera, like it was everywhere. It was. Dude, it
Speaker 1: was so big at the time, I didn't know who
Speaker 1: the hell how Jazeera was I'm like, wow, is he
Speaker 1: talking about Like I don't even know what it was
Speaker 1: like international news and it was so big. So when
Speaker 1: I came back, I was like, really really pissed off.
Speaker 1: I was really mad. So I ended up having more
Speaker 1: sacks when I came back than to when I when
Speaker 1: I left you and that really just pissed people off more.
Speaker 1: And the fact that I made the Pro Bowl and
Speaker 1: then it was up like to like top three Fenisy
Speaker 1: defensive play of the Year. They made that rule where
Speaker 1: you can't go to the postseason if you get suspended
Speaker 1: or have anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't do Yeah, he still was a Pro Bowler.
Speaker 5: Yeah, which I want to thank you for that, because
Speaker 5: twenty nineteen I got suspended and it was my best
Speaker 5: year of football I ever played.
Speaker 1: And literally they did yes, so they put that uh
Speaker 1: that merriment rule up. And again this is when you know,
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell came out and was like, this is not
Speaker 1: you know, this is not fair.
Speaker 5: This what prompted Godell to do that for you?
Speaker 4: Why do you think that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that because I met with
Speaker 1: him before and I was around him a lot.
Speaker 4: So in the heat was high, like you're saying at
Speaker 4: the time with baseball, track and everything else. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: you were like at the I mean you were a star,
Speaker 4: like you were on commercials.
Speaker 1: Like you yeah, yeah, and that that's all of that
Speaker 1: really amplified all of it. And so when you're already
Speaker 1: out there and you're visible and people see you and
Speaker 1: then something like that happens, it's like magnified, you know,
Speaker 1: beyond belief. And so I was really pissed off when
Speaker 1: I came back. I had to you know, finished up
Speaker 1: the season, and then they had they made that made
Speaker 1: that rule. And then that's when Jason Taylor on these
Speaker 1: guys were Jason Taylor won that year, and Jason Taylor
Speaker 1: was like talking ship. He was like, you know, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't win and like it to the media, and so
Speaker 1: they were at the playoffs. We're still we went to
Speaker 1: the playoffs that year. So I sent him a lights
Speaker 1: Out T shirt a bag of popcorn and told him
Speaker 1: senters asking the count. I sent it to the locker room.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So I made I made sure that he
Speaker 1: got it. The team player personnel they took it to
Speaker 1: him and made sure he got it. Because I had
Speaker 1: a friend that knew and I said, make sure you
Speaker 1: get this. So I sent him a lights Out T
Speaker 1: shirt in the bag of popcorn. They said, make sure
Speaker 1: you watch us in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: What do he saying?
Speaker 4: How do you respond? Nothing?
Speaker 1: That he came back, he was pissed. He was pissed.
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you something that that happened though, And
Speaker 1: again I was much different than we end up going
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl, and this was when it was
Speaker 1: in Hawaii. Me. I'm the type of if you're gonna
Speaker 1: say some things like that when I see you a person,
Speaker 1: keep that same energy with me, right, I.
Speaker 5: Get I just I've played with you before, I played
Speaker 5: with you. I know exactly who you are in the
Speaker 5: locker room. It's like that, I'd like you to dude,
Speaker 5: and we can joke around, have fun. But you know,
Speaker 5: there's a couple of buttons. It's like, YO, stay the
Speaker 5: funk away from those ones.
Speaker 1: So okay, So what happened was, so we got down
Speaker 1: there and I brought my family, my grandmother down there.
Speaker 1: I brought my whole entire family down there. I flew
Speaker 1: like ten people out to that Pro Bowl that year.
Speaker 1: And so I've checked in and I put my bag
Speaker 1: at the Bell's desk. I didn't eve checked in the room.
Speaker 1: I put it by the Bell's desk, and I went
Speaker 1: to go look for Jason Taylor. And so because I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to, if you're going, and
Speaker 1: he was. He was going. He wasn't even like he
Speaker 1: was painting for himself. He was like talking ship to
Speaker 1: me about me. And I'm like, okay, you know it's fine,
Speaker 1: but you got to see me at some point, right.
Speaker 1: And so I didn't even check in my room, and
Speaker 1: were staying at the elani Elani and Waue Key. I
Speaker 1: pulled my bag in the Bill's desk. So I go
Speaker 1: off and look for Jason Taylor.
Speaker 4: You have ten people with you, as anybody.
Speaker 1: Said here during the other hotel other hotel, did you tell.
Speaker 4: Them about your players to go find Jason.
Speaker 1: No, So I had them to booked me a room
Speaker 1: because I was ready to get sent home, right, and
Speaker 1: so I had I had a room at the other hotel,
Speaker 1: and so and this is this is like in l
Speaker 1: t and then so I walked past the Lts and
Speaker 1: and uh, the Lorenzo Nils with me and I didn't
Speaker 1: even talk to him. I was like, I'll be right
Speaker 1: back and I walked right by them, and so they
Speaker 1: was like, where are you going, and so they started
Speaker 1: to follow me, and because they knew something was up,
Speaker 1: and so Gene Upshaw at this, you know, Gene Upshaw.
Speaker 1: They they got Gene up until Gene Upshaws wanted to
Speaker 1: stop me. And I was on the way. I seen
Speaker 1: I end up seeing Jason Taylor and I was b
Speaker 1: lining to warts so Lt Lorenzo O'Neil and Gene Upshaw
Speaker 1: stopped me because I was going to go see him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they they thank god, you know, just me being
Speaker 1: young and hot headed, they stopped.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: He sat me down and said, hey, Sean, you can't
Speaker 1: you know, you can't do this. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: if he I just want him to say the same
Speaker 1: shit he said to the newspaper to me, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but what happens if he says the same shit
Speaker 5: to use lights out, It's gonna be bad. You know.
Speaker 1: It's because I had already planned to go home. I
Speaker 1: was going to plan against at home anyway, and I
Speaker 1: was just have my family booking ext hotel. They flew
Speaker 1: out there. I'm just enjoyed it my family for the week.
Speaker 1: I'm fine. Right, And so they sat down. They all
Speaker 1: sat me down, Gene Upshaw, Lorenzo Nil and l T
Speaker 1: set me down. They said, you know, we couldn't do this,
Speaker 1: maybe you should go talk to him. Let us go
Speaker 1: talk to him. So Gene Upshaw, I believe, ended up
Speaker 1: going to talking to Jason tail will let him know
Speaker 1: like what really happened, right, that this wasn't intentional, Like
Speaker 1: I wasn't like just some steroid head that's out here
Speaker 1: taking shit to beat the system. Uh, and so everything diffused.
Speaker 1: But I look back on it now, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: the hell were you? Like? Why would you have you?
Speaker 4: Did you talk to Jason?
Speaker 1: No a couple of times, but I didn't. We never
Speaker 1: really we never really talked about that, you know, we
Speaker 1: never really talked about that. But yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm glad.
Speaker 5: You guys got a practice like there is practice and
Speaker 5: they're both in the NFC, so obviously you're on the
Speaker 5: same field together.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So during the week, is it like I'll stand on
Speaker 5: this side? You said, yes, I.
Speaker 1: Think I think after Gene Shaw talked to him, and
Speaker 1: I think when you knew like this they had it
Speaker 1: was it was kind of water on the bridge. We
Speaker 1: never became best friends or anything, but I think it
Speaker 1: was a it was a better understanding of what of
Speaker 1: what happened, you know. So I never really got a
Speaker 1: chance to an opportunity to talk to him about that, because.
Speaker 5: You imagine if you get suspended for steroids and then
Speaker 5: you go to the Pro Bowl and you beat the
Speaker 5: ship out Jason Taylor or you find him, you would
Speaker 5: essentially prove everybody right.
Speaker 1: Like you would never know that not only a Steroay
Speaker 1: you thu, It's crazy, it was, you know, dude, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm glad, Like I said, I had some some older
Speaker 1: guys that were, you know, kind of leaving the right dire,
Speaker 1: like LT and Lorenzo, Like I can thank them so
Speaker 1: much for everything they've done, but mainly stuff like that. Right,
Speaker 1: they didn't have to, but they knew me well enough
Speaker 1: to know when I be lined past them and something
Speaker 1: was going to happen, something's going down, they followed me
Speaker 1: and then they I think lo' nil might have backed
Speaker 1: And by the way, lod Nil's a championship champion wrestler
Speaker 1: right for real? Oh yeah, like load nails like Top,
Speaker 1: but Top and wrestler, and so he grabbed me and
Speaker 1: was like you can't physically, It's like you can't, you
Speaker 1: can't do this. So it's really him l T and
Speaker 1: then Gene Nupshaw.
Speaker 5: Was there ever a time in practice because listen, fighting
Speaker 5: in practice is just like it happens all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they obviously they had to know when you be
Speaker 5: line past that you're going to do something. What made
Speaker 5: them know that if you walk past them, you're doing
Speaker 5: you're up to something?
Speaker 1: I was good for a fighter to every training camp
Speaker 1: to book it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, prison rules essentially someone to try you. It's
Speaker 5: like it was.
Speaker 1: It was one of those things like and then you
Speaker 1: know how this is. Do you just see this? You
Speaker 1: see the same guy every day, So don't take much
Speaker 1: at that point, like an extra shove right after the
Speaker 1: plate and grabbing the jerseys.
Speaker 5: You try to walk away and they're still holding on. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we would have, but but.
Speaker 4: It happens all the time. I'm thinking, yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: maybe with one or two guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was always yeah, but I'll say this, I
Speaker 5: see your neck and I realized I would have been
Speaker 5: I would have been in a bit of a situation,
Speaker 5: but I would have swung. I want you to know
Speaker 5: that I would have a respect if you did, I
Speaker 5: would have swung first myself.
Speaker 4: God damn.
Speaker 1: But you know I played with some dogs like Chris
Speaker 1: Dillman and and those guys dude running Nick Hardwick, Like
Speaker 1: I played with some guys.
Speaker 5: Hardwick center right, yeah, center, done up?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I had to tell ye all of all of
Speaker 1: those guys were badasses. Just we bat all the time.
Speaker 1: But man, I so much respect from guys for real.
Speaker 5: What about when you get off the field. Let's say
Speaker 5: you're get in a bay Fest fight. How are you
Speaker 5: handling yourself after that? You need to calm down?
Speaker 1: Or is it?
Speaker 5: Hey, what's on the field stays on the field.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't really fight much off the field.
Speaker 5: Yeah it's good, but on the.
Speaker 4: Right side of defense with him? Just got him. You
Speaker 4: want more of this ship?
Speaker 1: Just talk.
Speaker 4: Know we got the jump.
Speaker 5: You talking about fighting fighting people. You've swung at me
Speaker 5: in a game and in practice.
Speaker 4: I didn't. I've never swung at you in practice. That
Speaker 4: walked through practice we had, Yeah, we're gonna walk through
Speaker 4: practice and he's just running me to the sideline. And
Speaker 4: a walk through practice as a jog through. But I
Speaker 4: had to let Will they know sometimes you get on
Speaker 4: the edge, it's gonna happen to.
Speaker 8: You just.
Speaker 1: Drove him out the screen, you just draw it was
Speaker 1: it was a job.
Speaker 5: It was a jog three times situation.
Speaker 4: The preseason game. We're all out, we're not playing, we're
Speaker 4: just going a walk through.
Speaker 5: They just a shift where the mic comes down.
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 5: No, No, we're the same team.
Speaker 1: And I'm just saying, like, were you playing around with him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just trying to put me let me know, like, Okay,
Speaker 4: you don't belong on the edge.
Speaker 5: You're not nice for anybody. And I was like I
Speaker 5: want to show Will, like when do you play down here?
Speaker 5: This is what happens. And we you were kind of
Speaker 5: mad for a couple of days. I know I wasn't
Speaker 5: bro man, you were kind of actually a bitch.
Speaker 1: Remember that.
Speaker 4: Dude?
Speaker 5: Who Okay, you buy a lot of teamates. Who's you
Speaker 5: favorite teamate of all times?
Speaker 1: Man? We had, Man, we had such a closed group,
Speaker 1: you know, like like me and d SP like a
Speaker 1: lot of it. We still talk almost every day.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I was just talking with these.
Speaker 4: Pros as I was walking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, below Neil L. T. Tones, probably my boy Antonio Gates.
Speaker 1: Phil Dude, like I look like I love Phil today,
Speaker 1: I do. I love everything about Field. The thing is,
Speaker 1: I hated him when he was at NC State because
Speaker 1: I was at Maryland and dude, I hated his guts,
Speaker 1: bro like I every time I saw it. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I want to do something to him every time I
Speaker 1: saw him, because you see him in the film and
Speaker 1: just at the time where you're watching the film, we
Speaker 1: watch there's no sound, right, you don't hear the commentary.
Speaker 1: It's got the two the angle and the two wide angle,
Speaker 1: and you just see him doing that and he's chirping.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I'm a I'm gonna kick his ass,
Speaker 1: right and every time he never beat us when he
Speaker 1: was at INCA State. Maryland never beat us, not one time.
Speaker 1: And it was his last play his senior year. My uh,
Speaker 1: it was my sophomore year and I hit Fill in
Speaker 1: the back of the end zone. It's a n C
Speaker 1: State and we beat them that game. And I hit
Speaker 1: him in the back of the end zone and I
Speaker 1: kind of push up off of him right as I'm
Speaker 1: walking away, he ankle locks me grass my ankle and
Speaker 1: stars Philip Philip grabs my ankle and start to twist
Speaker 1: it a full on ankle lock. Bro Like my ankle
Speaker 1: was I'm just like and I couldn't believe it that
Speaker 1: he was somebody, a quarterback was doing this. There's a
Speaker 1: picture of him somewhere, me and him standing up in
Speaker 1: the back of the endzone about to square off and fight.
Speaker 1: And he walked right up on me and he was
Speaker 1: about to We're about to fight in the back of
Speaker 1: the end zone. And at that moment, man, he got
Speaker 1: my respecse, like, man, this dude is tough.
Speaker 5: No ship, this is what you are. You all in college,
Speaker 5: just in college?
Speaker 1: There is yeah, there it is.
Speaker 5: Philip Rivers is like a notorious ship talker that never curses.
Speaker 4: Ever.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable because at that time and his team, his
Speaker 1: teammates an NC State, loved him and I didn't know how,
Speaker 1: like he's an asshole, you know, like he's always talking.
Speaker 1: And when I got there my rookie year, and you
Speaker 1: got a chance to be around him, and you saw
Speaker 1: that competitive spirit and it was NonStop. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: even on the field anymore. It was dominoes, it was cards,
Speaker 1: it was He'll walk by you in the gym and
Speaker 1: you know we're playing let's call it the Seattle Seahawks
Speaker 1: or whatever, and uh, Walter Jones, you know wall pro
Speaker 1: Walter Jones is there and I got the you know,
Speaker 1: just during the season, I got the one twenties on
Speaker 1: the dumbbells. I'm cranking them out for ten. He'll walk
Speaker 1: by me like, you know, you got Walter Jones. It
Speaker 1: was one twenties. Not gonna do nothing right. This is
Speaker 1: him just NonStop, constantly talk, just bro this non stop.
Speaker 1: And I go and I grabbed the one thirties. Now
Speaker 1: I'm pissed off, you know. And so it was with him,
Speaker 1: uh I. And I'm glad that everybody's getting an opportunity
Speaker 1: to see him because it's got the audio. Now now
Speaker 1: he's like praised for. But if there was a time
Speaker 1: where Philip was seriously hated, he was like the Jake,
Speaker 1: Like he was really looped in with Jay Cutler a lot,
Speaker 1: and this dude's asshole and he talks trash. They had
Speaker 1: pictures and videos of him talking trash. We were playing
Speaker 1: the Colts and the Champion in playoffs, so he he
Speaker 1: had this thing about on people just like oh this
Speaker 1: dude's a jerk and he wasn't at all. And I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I wish you just I wish you
Speaker 1: got a chance to know him, because he's not being
Speaker 1: serious at all. It's not like he's the type man
Speaker 1: you hit him, he'll tap you on the head. But hey,
Speaker 1: you almost got me. Next time you got it, and
Speaker 1: you like, why are you why are you talking? Why
Speaker 1: are you talking so much? But you start to over time,
Speaker 1: you just started to appreciate his his competitiveness, for sure,
Speaker 1: the most competitive player I ever played with.
Speaker 5: Something about these old school quarterbacks just seem like they're
Speaker 5: like great, like shit talkers, pranking like we had Peyton
Speaker 5: Manning on he was talking about the pranks he would do.
Speaker 5: Tom Brady, I've hed done a lot of pranks. Was
Speaker 5: he a big prank guy at all?
Speaker 1: Oh? Dude, he never stopped playing. He was the biggest kid.
Speaker 1: Did you can ever imagine he? So I used to
Speaker 1: break down the huddle before the game, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of let's get it, let's get and so Phillips will
Speaker 1: start imitate me everything that I do, and he can
Speaker 1: he can walk and he can walk like me. It's
Speaker 1: the craziest thing ever. B he's a he's a big kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so he's uh, he's like, uh, he's like the kid.
Speaker 1: You gotta watch what you stay around because they repeat.
Speaker 1: So he's had had a mock you, right, and so
Speaker 1: he had these things, uh the freestyle Fridays, you know
Speaker 1: longer freestyle Fridays. And so we would have whatever whatever
Speaker 1: the the hottest song at that time on the radio
Speaker 1: will play. We will play it all the time in
Speaker 1: the locker room. And again, you can't you gotta watch
Speaker 1: Philip because he he would listen. He's he watches and
Speaker 1: listens to everything, even if he's not saying that he's
Speaker 1: watching you. It's like a comedian's waiting to bust jokes
Speaker 1: on you that he's just waiting and he watches everything
Speaker 1: you do. And so whatever the hottest radio show was on,
Speaker 1: we were in the team meeting room and the defense
Speaker 1: team room and we're sitting there watching the film and
Speaker 1: we hear somebody coming down the hallway but they're rapping.
Speaker 1: Who's that they're loud? We got up. It was like
Speaker 1: walk by of doing this Philip rapping to whatever the
Speaker 1: hottest track was on the radio, just straight bars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was almost like one of these things where
Speaker 1: he just picked up on everything you did and he
Speaker 1: he would rap whatever the whatever the latest song was,
Speaker 1: Well he d no dude, Dre Drew. That Drew Drew
Speaker 1: was like always locked in, bro, you know, like just
Speaker 1: really focused, going straight to whatever he's doing. Like he
Speaker 1: didn't really joke around a whole lot, but it was
Speaker 1: It was cool to see that because I walked in
Speaker 1: the locker room. You got Drew Brees as a starter,
Speaker 1: he got Philip Rivers, the backup crazy which is.
Speaker 4: Nuts nuts bro. And then you also in Buffalo, who
Speaker 4: is it a fitzmagic yep, the quarterback.
Speaker 5: Just three very unique personalities. Yeah, what did fits Uh?
Speaker 5: I heard this rumor of rep Fits that he would
Speaker 5: get Yeti coolers for his offensive linement every single year
Speaker 5: with his face on it. Did that hold true in Buffalo?
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 5: So he was in the Titans, I think the year
Speaker 5: before I got there, and everybody had a Yetti cooler,
Speaker 5: like the big one with his little like a silhouette
Speaker 5: of his face and beard all on that thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so I would you know. At the time,
Speaker 1: I was, I was single, so I was like looking
Speaker 1: at girls and stuff on social media, you know, And
Speaker 1: so sometime I would be, you know, looking at stuff
Speaker 1: on the on social media, and I have my phone down.
Speaker 1: He will come to my locker every day. He just
Speaker 1: looks like, who do you got?
Speaker 4: Who do we got today?
Speaker 5: Who we got out there today? That is so funny.
Speaker 1: He was the I played with some I played with
Speaker 1: some great dudes, man, and he's definitely one of me's
Speaker 1: up there for sure.
Speaker 4: Why was the transition going from l A Oh you know,
Speaker 4: go ahead, Sorry, I thought you was transition out of NFL,
Speaker 4: but go ahead, No, yeah, transitioning going from where you
Speaker 4: were at the impact you made in LA and then
Speaker 4: going out to Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so I got I got waved by the Chargers.
Speaker 7: I was.
Speaker 1: I had so many interest to back to back. You
Speaker 1: were talking about the compensation thing, Like my achilles were
Speaker 1: partially torn and kept tearing a little bit more and
Speaker 1: a little bit more to time until it eventually popped.
Speaker 1: But at the time I was compensated. So I had
Speaker 1: a calf, a hip, a knee. It was just constant
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't stay healthy. So finally they just
Speaker 1: they had to stop the bleeding and they and they
Speaker 1: waved me and then when you get waved at the time,
Speaker 1: the team with the worst record gets for zibs and
Speaker 1: at the time like Buffalo's own six, I think own
Speaker 1: six or seven.
Speaker 4: Where's your mental at when you get waved like all
Speaker 4: that you can't see obviously you get in the tank.
Speaker 4: It's an up and down ride, like where were you at? Mentally?
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: I was shocked and it didn't really hit me until
Speaker 1: I left the building. And so I remember going to
Speaker 1: mean coach coaches were crying, I mean bags Pegana, I mean, Monunsky.
Speaker 1: Everybody was just like like it was it was like
Speaker 1: a dark cloud that day because I don't think anybody's
Speaker 1: anybody saw me ever leaving the charges, but I just
Speaker 1: had I had so many injuries at that time. They
Speaker 1: had it just I couldn't say healthy. And so I mean,
Speaker 1: even when I was talking to the dean and owner,
Speaker 1: it was just it was a sad It was a
Speaker 1: very sad day in that building. And you know, yeah
Speaker 1: it was ignored if it was bad. It was like
Speaker 1: it was a really bad day. And so I left
Speaker 1: and then when I walked out the building, that's when
Speaker 1: it hit me, because right there you got somebody to
Speaker 1: come up and tell you got to go see their owner,
Speaker 1: you go see the coaches. So you're talking to everybody,
Speaker 1: but you're not getting the opportunity to take all of
Speaker 1: that in yet. And it didn't hit me until I
Speaker 1: walked out the building. I got in the car and
Speaker 1: it was like I didn't cry, man, but I sat
Speaker 1: there and was like, man, is this it's this real?
Speaker 1: Like that just get cut because you know, I never
Speaker 1: been cut for anything in my life, and so I
Speaker 1: think for me, you know, I hate what people say
Speaker 1: it's humbling, right because you it wasn't like I wasn't humble.
Speaker 1: You just didn't see that happening to you, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like you know that people pass away
Speaker 1: and that's part of life, but you don't feel that
Speaker 1: until there's somebody really really close to you. You know.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I was like, you've
Speaker 1: seen people get caught all the time, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that I think the year before or out run
Speaker 1: at time like lt uh darren Spros like it was
Speaker 1: it was guys Michael Turner who loved what he so
Speaker 1: you knew it was guys first round draft picks, and
Speaker 1: so I was leaving, so I knew it was as
Speaker 1: one point is gonna happen, It was just how and
Speaker 1: when it happened was I was shocked. And so I
Speaker 1: got home and I would say, like not even a
Speaker 1: day or two. Well, a couple of days went by.
Speaker 1: And I think that year, me and Randy Moss because
Speaker 1: he was waved too, Me and Randy Moss had the
Speaker 1: most teams that ever claim claim us awful wave waivers
Speaker 1: because that normally you go through the waiver wire and
Speaker 1: then you can pick and choose with TV then then
Speaker 1: you're a real free agent. And I think that year
Speaker 1: me and Randy Moss had tied for like four to
Speaker 1: six teams that picked us up on the waivers. But
Speaker 1: Buffalo had the worst record, and so Buddy Nicks, who
Speaker 1: was behind A. J. Smith as general manager in San Diego,
Speaker 1: he was now the general manager in Buffalo. So I
Speaker 1: remember Buddy Nicks called to me and he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, Sean, we can really use you out here
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. And you know, he talked for like five minutes.
Speaker 1: I said, look, Buddy, I love you to death, man,
Speaker 1: but I'm not coming out there. I'm not going. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't because of the city of Buffalo. They were
Speaker 1: owing six, they had no they were basically knocked out
Speaker 1: of the playoffs in the middle of the season. Right
Speaker 1: before the middle of the season, they were pretty much done.
Speaker 1: And I said, Buddy, look, you know I love you
Speaker 1: to death, man, but let me go into a team
Speaker 1: that may go to the playoffs, right and then after
Speaker 1: the season. Now, you got my word, I'll come. You'll
Speaker 1: be the first visit I'll take after the season. And
Speaker 1: he said, no, we want you out of here now.
Speaker 1: And you know, we think you help us out in
Speaker 1: the locker room, and I know you can bring. I said, Buddy,
Speaker 1: I hear you, but I'm not coming. I hung up.
Speaker 1: I hung up the phone on a GM. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: on the gym.
Speaker 4: How quick does he call back?
Speaker 1: Fifteen minutes, fifteen to twenty minutes? And so he called
Speaker 1: back fifteen twenty minutes. He said, Sean, I just want
Speaker 1: to let you know we put in your contract in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I said, buddy, I don't care what y'all doing.
Speaker 1: I'm not coming. So here it is. I hung up again.
Speaker 1: Call back right back and said, well, if you don't come,
Speaker 1: it's twenty five thousand dollars a day. Fine, I said, well,
Speaker 1: when y'all sending that plane.
Speaker 5: No fucking doubt got to get on it right away, dude.
Speaker 1: So this is like a Monday tues I've got it
Speaker 1: was a Monday Tuesday. But they were literally literally sitting
Speaker 1: the plane the next day. And I said, hey, Buddy,
Speaker 1: and then Russell Russell Brandon was there too. Who's the
Speaker 1: president I believe at the time, And I said, OK, guys,
Speaker 1: just give me your Thursday. Can you send a plane
Speaker 1: on third? I'm leaving San Diego to come to Buffalo.
Speaker 1: I need some time to pack and all this other stuff. Uh.
Speaker 1: So I got on the plane and you know, I
Speaker 1: looked at the weather in New York. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: didn't look at the weather in Buffalo, which is totally
Speaker 1: different weather. So I got on the sweatshirt, some basketball
Speaker 1: shorts and flip flops on the plane, I got my
Speaker 1: suitcase and all that. And so I got there and
Speaker 1: I'm landing. Do this a full on blizzard?
Speaker 5: This is a full on blich was frozen when you
Speaker 5: get off that plane.
Speaker 1: I mean full on blizard outside. And I remember stepping
Speaker 1: off the plane and then Buddy and then Russell brand
Speaker 1: and he's got there they were at the end of
Speaker 1: the runway. I couldn't see him. That's how bad the
Speaker 1: weather was. I hadn't I couldn't see them, And I
Speaker 1: remember I looked up into the sky. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I go to church sometimes and like I go do
Speaker 1: a lot of charity. Yeah, I start think. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: what did I What did I do? You know, what
Speaker 1: did I do?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 1: And I was dreading that, man, not because it's really
Speaker 1: the it wasn't just like the city and the weather,
Speaker 1: like they just didn't have it. So you're you're playing
Speaker 1: for what right They're not going to the playoffs? Right?
Speaker 1: But dude, it was Honestly, I'll say that it was
Speaker 1: the best thing that ever happened to me in my
Speaker 1: career because I got out there. Man, you got a
Speaker 1: chance to see that fan base and like those people.
Speaker 1: And I was just out there this past Sunday with them. Dude.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you I played, you know, you
Speaker 1: feel like you were playing for like family, you know,
Speaker 1: second cousin or you know, extended like you do. I
Speaker 1: got my mom watching the game or you know, you
Speaker 1: got family at the games. You can't disappoint them. So
Speaker 1: I had that feeling with them, like I couldn't disappoint
Speaker 1: these people because of the love that they had for
Speaker 1: their team. Dude, you could be the second or third
Speaker 1: string kicker, you were the man.
Speaker 4: Really you get what I'm saying, Like, yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, and that's Tailgates.
Speaker 1: Ever, it's it's something unlike anything. And I know we
Speaker 1: like a lot of people see the table jumping and
Speaker 1: all that other stuff, which is how they got on
Speaker 1: the map, like in a big way because of social
Speaker 1: media and everything else. But dude, it honestly, I remember
Speaker 1: I would down eating. I was in a restaurant chipwid
Speaker 1: downtown and people just walking by me were like, yo,
Speaker 1: what's up? Lights? They kept walking, no pictures, know nothing,
Speaker 1: and it was just like, dude, like there was a
Speaker 1: cousin I've seen it in a while. Cool you know,
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's it's something I like, man, this
Speaker 1: is it's a it's a very very special place. I
Speaker 1: wish like all these guys that get to play in
Speaker 1: front of not so great fan bases or the ones
Speaker 1: that are not really home grown like those, I wish
Speaker 1: they get his hands to experienced something like that. It's
Speaker 1: it's different.
Speaker 5: I had myself a little entanglement with the Bill's Mafia.
Speaker 5: One time was right after my suspension. We played the Bills.
Speaker 5: It was like thirteen to ten and Shaq Lawson, who
Speaker 5: was like a backup, was a talk shit and so
Speaker 5: I tweeted at him put my phone down like an
Speaker 5: hour later, like two in her responses, just Bill's people
Speaker 5: murdering me. Just even the WiFi up there. They fucking
Speaker 5: got after me. I will never get an entanglement with
Speaker 5: them ever.
Speaker 1: Again, dude, it's so passionate, it's unreal, man, And I
Speaker 1: think that for them, there's a lot of pride in
Speaker 1: in like that group. You feel like you're at a
Speaker 1: college game, like when I was there Sunday. Do you
Speaker 1: don't feel like all the glitz and glamor of the
Speaker 1: pro games, like you feel like you're at some school
Speaker 1: in the South, right, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: tailgating and all this other Like.
Speaker 4: It's just different, like a college.
Speaker 5: How big of a difference was it between Buffalo and
Speaker 5: San Diego as far as the fans went.
Speaker 1: I think it was so much to do in San Diego, right,
Speaker 1: Like for you to take your three hours of your
Speaker 1: day or four hours to go to a game, it
Speaker 1: was a lot because you got the nice weather, you
Speaker 1: got food, beaches and everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you do whatever you want, You do what you want.
Speaker 1: I think the difference is with us is that we
Speaker 1: were so good. We have so many stars on a
Speaker 1: team from al team and phill Up and Gates and
Speaker 1: all these guys that people came because of the winning,
Speaker 1: right you know, and like this the year yeah, and
Speaker 1: so people came there and that and the Q was rocking, dude,
Speaker 1: I mean we had that place ridiculously, like just crazy.
Speaker 1: And I still even looking at a nail, I get
Speaker 1: chilled because I was always the last one to come
Speaker 1: out the tunnel every game. And I did that because
Speaker 1: of ray Lewis. So my sophomore year in high school,
Speaker 1: my coach, my high school coaches, remember I was living
Speaker 1: with them at the time. They say, hey, you want
Speaker 1: to see a linebacker play? And I'm not. I'm watching football,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't watching just yet.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: It wasn't like, yeah, you were digestive.
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, yeah. And so they scraped up
Speaker 1: some money and they took me to a Ravens game.
Speaker 1: This is two thousand, two thousand. Yeah. We sat all
Speaker 1: the way up there near the light bulb. So we
Speaker 1: had no We had no money too, so we were
Speaker 1: like six seats up. I could turn around you and
Speaker 1: like start changing light ball and ship. It was like
Speaker 1: we were It was the one you're so high up
Speaker 1: there when you look over your stomach dropping heights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were up there. And so they introduced everybody. They
Speaker 1: had all these guys Sharper and and Goose and Sam
Speaker 1: Adams and ball where like they had ed you know
Speaker 1: they I mean they were stacked, Chris. They had that
Speaker 1: team that will only allowed with eleven points a game
Speaker 1: or ten points something crazy. Right, everybody comes out and
Speaker 1: the you know, the people allowed, and then it just
Speaker 1: gets silent, a big pause and all in the music drop.
Speaker 1: It was a Nelly. It's getting so ray came out
Speaker 1: the fireworks and smoke. And so when I was growing up, man,
Speaker 1: I used to laugh at people used to pass out
Speaker 1: of concerts, you know, at Prince or Michael Jackson concert.
Speaker 1: I'm like, look at this dumb at, Like dumb at,
Speaker 1: but he's just a person. You know, You're just you're
Speaker 1: a human being, Like why are you acting like that
Speaker 1: towards another human being?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I always thought it was dumb do until I saw
Speaker 1: Ray Lewis, And so it came out there and it
Speaker 1: was quiet and they introduced everybody. It was already loud,
Speaker 1: but it just got this pause and then it just
Speaker 1: a place when crazy and I didn't know what was happening. Fireworks, smoke,
Speaker 1: and then they was playing up Nelly is getting hot
Speaker 1: in here, and he came out and was doing it,
Speaker 1: and I thought I was going to pass out. Bro
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to pass out.
Speaker 5: Just seeing this small little speck on the floor.
Speaker 1: It was so hot. If it wasn't for that jumbo tron,
Speaker 1: I would have thought like answered down there, like I
Speaker 1: would have no clue. But I saw it and I
Speaker 1: was I looked at my coaches and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make people feel like how I just felt.
Speaker 1: And so when I got to the charges we had,
Speaker 1: there was a guy there who was six or seven
Speaker 1: years in Quincy, Scott, I think his name was or
Speaker 1: something like that, and he was the last one that
Speaker 1: was coming out, and I looked at him and said,
Speaker 1: I'm coming out last from now on.
Speaker 5: That's a rookie.
Speaker 1: That's a rookie.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's a rookie.
Speaker 1: So so you got it and and that's where the
Speaker 1: whole thing started. But yeah, I you know, for me,
Speaker 1: I just I was like, man, that ship. It did
Speaker 1: something to me that day, and I never you know,
Speaker 1: when stuff happened to you as a kid, whether it's
Speaker 1: good trauma or bad trauma, you remember that, yes, And
Speaker 1: I remember remember that at that time, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm I looked at my coaches, I said, I'm going
Speaker 1: to make people feel like this one day.
Speaker 4: And that was it.
Speaker 1: That's wh I started. I actually come out last.
Speaker 4: That is how sick is that?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 4: To like look back on your career and know you
Speaker 4: got to accomplish things that, yeah, a rare group of
Speaker 4: people get to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the cool the cool thing about it too.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: It's like even now, like when I go back to
Speaker 1: Buffalo and I've I've been retired almost I've retired in
Speaker 1: thirteen is you know year, and the game has changed,
Speaker 1: has evolved and all this other stuff. And when I
Speaker 1: came came out, like social media was just starting to
Speaker 1: come around, right, So you see all these guys now
Speaker 1: they got like big social media followings. You think now
Speaker 1: that Joll had twenty million back then at that time,
Speaker 1: which is that big? Yeah, because it was. It was huge. Man,
Speaker 1: It was like it was a lot of it was
Speaker 1: a lot of shit.
Speaker 4: You know, how hard was it to face kind of
Speaker 4: your mortality in the NFL, Like when you started to
Speaker 4: just not be able to put it together anymore in Buffalo,
Speaker 4: you know, the injuries, whatever, it is. How hard was
Speaker 4: it to kind of like wrap your arms around hey,
Speaker 4: this could be coming to an end?
Speaker 1: For me? It was difficult because I played the game
Speaker 1: to be the best at what I do, and once
Speaker 1: I realized I couldn't be the best anymore, it was
Speaker 1: hard that part, but also to my my career was
Speaker 1: cut short that I wasn't gonna be named one of
Speaker 1: the best that ever did it in my position, right,
Speaker 1: No hall of fame, no, none of that stuff, because
Speaker 1: I was I got hurt, you know, I was injured. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and everything was just kind of derailed. So you had
Speaker 1: like I don't know if you called it like resentment
Speaker 1: or what's the right word, Like.
Speaker 4: You just kinda feel jaded, jaded?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel you feel De's good. Yeah, So you
Speaker 1: feel jaded because you knew it on the trajectory where
Speaker 1: you were going, even the suspension stuff like people talk
Speaker 1: about the suspended like always fell off, Well, you're forgetting it,
Speaker 1: Like I also was All Pro the following year, All
Speaker 1: Pro the following year. I was also up there, I
Speaker 1: think top five of top seven finish defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year again, you know, so I think that when
Speaker 1: people see it like the longevity. But seven is when
Speaker 1: I got hurt. I told my PCL l CL and
Speaker 1: then everything and Achilles went like a year or so
Speaker 1: after that from the compensation. But yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: felt like, man, I was like, damn, I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: get a chance to get the jack get a jacket,
Speaker 1: and I'm never going to get a chance to be
Speaker 1: known as the best, because that's all I wanted. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be known as the best of what I did,
Speaker 1: you know, and you want the championships, it's all those
Speaker 1: are team things that you can't control. But when you
Speaker 1: walk away from the game, you want to be known
Speaker 1: as one of the best that ever did. I knew
Speaker 1: that I wasn't going to be able to do that anymore.
Speaker 1: So that was that was the hardest thing to accept,
Speaker 1: knowing that I was going to walk away and I
Speaker 1: was not gonna have another opportunity to go back out
Speaker 1: there and finish that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's tough, man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always it's always hard when you figure out
Speaker 5: the dreams over. You've been playing it your whole life,
Speaker 5: and you're like, man, this is really the part that
Speaker 5: everybody talks about, Like eventually you can't.
Speaker 4: Do it anymore.
Speaker 5: It just is a shitty feeling when you realize the
Speaker 5: end is near or you know you're going to retire.
Speaker 5: How quickly were you jump in the m m are
Speaker 5: entrepreneurial things?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So yeah, when did that start?
Speaker 1: So in the mid two thousands. I grew up well,
Speaker 1: I grew up in Maryland and d C. So I
Speaker 1: have my family members that were professional boxes. My uncle's
Speaker 1: called professional boxers. So I kind of grew up boxing anyway.
Speaker 1: And if I didn't play football, I was one hundred
Speaker 1: percent gonna fight. That was like the thing that I
Speaker 1: was gonna do. You couldn't tell me anything different or
Speaker 1: that of w W. It was gonna be probably picked
Speaker 1: that up along the Yeah they were they were probably yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and so so you know it was going I was
Speaker 1: going to box or or going to w W, which
Speaker 1: I ended up doing and working with a w W.
Speaker 1: But I ended up, you know, picking football. So one
Speaker 1: day I was in the gym and Jay Glazier's gym
Speaker 1: okay from Fox, Yeah, And I was hitting the midst
Speaker 1: and he said, like, damn you can you can box? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know my uncle's boxers not box a little bit
Speaker 1: or whatever. Have you ever tried in the may And
Speaker 1: I think no. He said, well, I think it can
Speaker 1: help you in football with your hands and you know, coordination,
Speaker 1: being able to open your hips to get around the tackles.
Speaker 1: And you know, I said, shit, if it helped me
Speaker 1: in football, sign he up. I'm in right. So he
Speaker 1: sent me an address off of Librea in LA and
Speaker 1: the next day I show up and so I walked
Speaker 1: in the gym and uh, Jake Glaize is here, and
Speaker 1: Randy Goatur's right here. So Randy was still compete fighting
Speaker 1: at the time, and so in my head I'm looking
Speaker 1: at Jay Glaizer like I'm not fighting Randy Gator to day.
Speaker 1: I just want you to know that's not where I
Speaker 1: why I came. You know, you're looking at it like
Speaker 1: one of the most badass in the two thousands into
Speaker 1: two thousands, dude, like you like Randy was was a
Speaker 1: real deal. I think he actually had forty or forty
Speaker 1: one and just won a championship. He was like the
Speaker 1: oldest champion ever at the time or something like that.
Speaker 1: And so I went and I worked with him doing
Speaker 1: We were pumbling and working on hands and just kind
Speaker 1: of doing movement. But I was gassed, like I was
Speaker 1: just we didn't start to work out yet and I
Speaker 1: was completely gassed. And when this happened, I realized it
Speaker 1: was something. He just totally kicked my ass at. He
Speaker 1: was like not purposely, but he was throwing me around
Speaker 1: because he used my leverage and body and I couldn't
Speaker 1: understand like how he was able to do this. So
Speaker 1: I was at that point I became intrigued and like,
Speaker 1: how does somebody at you know, fifty pounds less than
Speaker 1: I am, able to just kind of move my body
Speaker 1: and toss me around like this. I was just intrigued.
Speaker 1: Or he'll get me in a certain spot and I
Speaker 1: just couldn't get up. He just keep taking me, taking
Speaker 1: me down. I just couldn't get it. So I text him.
Speaker 1: I got his number. I text him, dude, are you
Speaker 1: in tomorrow with time? So I'll get down my football
Speaker 1: workouts and I'll drive up to LA. You know, I'll
Speaker 1: go because we had that workout bonus, get the workout
Speaker 1: to get that one. Gotta get it right. And worked
Speaker 1: out in San Diego and I would drive back to
Speaker 1: LA to go and work work out with Randy. So
Speaker 1: I was I was going like three to two three
Speaker 1: days a week at this time. And so finally I
Speaker 1: just started every off season, started working with him, and
Speaker 1: started working with Chuck Lerdale and started being around to
Speaker 1: do or T's and all these guys in the mid
Speaker 1: two thousands. Yeah, even like when Tyrone Woodley was coming
Speaker 1: in and he just really was getting his career going UFC.
Speaker 1: He was in the gym with us, and there was
Speaker 1: a couple other guys do people was bad ass, like
Speaker 1: Clay Matthews, really really good. I think it might have
Speaker 1: seen Brian Cushing. Cushing, you know, Cushing was was doing
Speaker 1: stuff at that time.
Speaker 4: He's into the Brazilian Yes, I think.
Speaker 1: He's like a brown bell or something like that. You know,
Speaker 1: I was trying to get I was trying to get
Speaker 1: Cush the Fight League, so.
Speaker 4: And so, yeah, yeah, I love it. I love Jersey.
Speaker 5: The video of him with his helmet off going right
Speaker 5: to the offensive line for the Browns face and splitting
Speaker 5: his nose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a cycle man. I love I love Psycho,
Speaker 1: and so I just traded every all season. So I
Speaker 1: already kind of knew. When I retired, I already knew
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do, and plus my rookie year,
Speaker 1: when I first got my check, I wanted to go
Speaker 1: buy all the trademarks and rights that lights Out first.
Speaker 1: My first thing I did. So when you say big
Speaker 1: purchase is the cars, but the other purchase I did
Speaker 1: is big brain purchase. Was it was a company called PJ. Salvage,
Speaker 1: the big pajama company in Irvine, California. I reached out
Speaker 1: to them my friend of mine, who was an IP attorney,
Speaker 1: and I said, dude, I want to I want to
Speaker 1: go and get lights Out. And so I ended up
Speaker 1: buying lights Out I think for like one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty grand, some one hundred and forty grand at that time.
Speaker 1: And I still didn't know what I wanted to do yet,
Speaker 1: but I knew I wanted to own it and then
Speaker 1: figure it out, so I bought it at that time.
Speaker 1: And then so when I retired, I knew exactly what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, and I started to even train
Speaker 1: more with MMA guys, and I was also in talk
Speaker 1: with Bellator. I was to talk to Bellatore. This is
Speaker 1: like around two thousand and fourteen, fifteen something like that,
Speaker 1: somewhere around that area, is like three or four years
Speaker 1: after I retired that I was going to fight. But
Speaker 1: at that time, I was like ahead of my time
Speaker 1: because of what I was asking for money wise, they
Speaker 1: looked at me like I was crazy. And now they're
Speaker 1: kind of seeing with the Jake Pauls of the world
Speaker 1: and former athletes like Le'Veon Bells fighting now Frank Gore,
Speaker 1: like all these guys getting into it. But I was
Speaker 1: just ahead of my time for the money I was
Speaker 1: asking Now it was if sean former linebacker. For the
Speaker 1: charges and bills here, there was no brainer. I just
Speaker 1: think at that time they just wasn't ready to pay
Speaker 1: what I was asking for. And then I started to
Speaker 1: work a lot with the WWE. You know, so I
Speaker 1: was at the network ww network when at launch, I
Speaker 1: was broadcasting in the WrestleMania's Monday night raws and smackdowns
Speaker 1: working with them, and then I was at NFL Network
Speaker 1: or something like that. At the time, I was doing
Speaker 1: broadcasting there. But the goal what was going to happen
Speaker 1: was I was going to train at the Performance Center
Speaker 1: with WWE down in Orlando. So I was spending half
Speaker 1: the time with NFL Network and I would go train
Speaker 1: with the guys in n XT because that was gonna
Speaker 1: be my first show and they were trying to fast
Speaker 1: track me to get me there. And the thing was,
Speaker 1: it came up why I never really signed one of
Speaker 1: the biggest reasons that they wanted to own part of
Speaker 1: Lights Out because what people didn't know is like a
Speaker 1: lot of the WW they make their you know, their
Speaker 1: talent right, they own right, and.
Speaker 5: And they wanted a piece of years. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 5: why it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was part. That was probably the main breason. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: they had a bunch of company stuff going on. They
Speaker 1: launched a WW network at the time and it wasn't
Speaker 1: doing well and so they end up going to Peacock,
Speaker 1: but they cut like ten percent of their entire staff
Speaker 1: across the company. So give me a big contract. Wasn't
Speaker 1: at the at the top anymore at that time.
Speaker 4: And so but I were you looking to be like
Speaker 4: a WW superstar?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like that would be I mean, it's
Speaker 5: the perfect character.
Speaker 1: I So what I did was what kind of kicked
Speaker 1: it off. They had a show in San Diego, I
Speaker 1: think it was One night Stand on pay per view,
Speaker 1: and I was talking to Paul Triple H and he
Speaker 1: was like, man, we're coming to San Diego, and they
Speaker 1: kind of were throwing some ideas back and forth, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, shut I'm down, let's
Speaker 1: do it. And they brought me out to a TNA.
Speaker 1: They brought me out the stands and seeing punk it
Speaker 1: actually handed me like a bamboo stick and I hit
Speaker 1: Chavez or Travo one of the times or whatever. So
Speaker 1: that kicked it off because it was a crazy reaction
Speaker 1: from the crowd. And so at the time, like Paul
Speaker 1: and Triple Ahs and everybody from ww's like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: got we got something. You know, we got something. And
Speaker 1: so we started to just talk and try to figure
Speaker 1: it out, and it just didn't happen because of the time.
Speaker 1: I think they were going through a lot of company
Speaker 1: stuff too, And I wasn't about to give lights out
Speaker 1: to nobody because I built that already.
Speaker 4: What were you looking at? Obviously you're doing a couple
Speaker 4: of things with lights Out now. Yeah, like I see
Speaker 4: the Lights Out TV streaming service. Yeah, I know you're
Speaker 4: in kind of with the bills too, right, you're streaming
Speaker 4: the East West Shrine game. Yeah, that's I mean, that's massive. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what happened was when I got because I got
Speaker 1: straight to TV out, the NFL network broadcast a couple
Speaker 1: of years, ESPN, Fox Sports, and those those panels are
Speaker 1: hard because it was like four people. Yes, you got
Speaker 1: to think, dude, like take a guy like JJ Watt
Speaker 1: who is no everybody you know, no love, big following,
Speaker 1: and now he's you know, Hall of Fame got Now
Speaker 1: he's retiring. It's like as a player, right, you that
Speaker 1: next guy up, they're looking to draft somebody and then
Speaker 1: get you off out of there. Right. And so I
Speaker 1: was fortunate because I was at the launch of all
Speaker 1: these networks and shows and stuff like that, so I've
Speaker 1: seen it created. So I didn't launch my MMA league
Speaker 1: Lights Out Extreme Fighting in twenty nineteen. So ESPN US
Speaker 1: just left Fox Sports and went over to ESPN. And
Speaker 1: so at the time, I was shooting at Fox Sports.
Speaker 1: And so I got up one day and I created
Speaker 1: a marketing deck. I had a somebody on the team
Speaker 1: put a four page marketing deck together, and I think
Speaker 1: I was talking Eric Shanks, the president of Fox Sports.
Speaker 1: It was somebody there, Jamie Herowinz. It was one of
Speaker 1: the guys I started a conversation with and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys looking to get back in the MMA because
Speaker 1: you just lost the UFC. And it was like, Sewan,
Speaker 1: in fact, we are, We're looking at a couple opportunities.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, I'm launching my MMA organization. They said really.
Speaker 1: I said yeah, And I put down the marketing deck
Speaker 1: on the desk and I left out and I just
Speaker 1: got off. They called it. I was on Herd show
Speaker 1: that deck go down in the garage. Before I open
Speaker 1: my car door, my phone rings and they said you're
Speaker 1: still here and I said yeah, I say, could you
Speaker 1: come back up?
Speaker 5: So gotta be a great feeling it was.
Speaker 1: It was unreal because when you you know, you're talking
Speaker 1: to like Shane sort of president of Fox Sports, any
Speaker 1: any one of the execs, you're not expecting them to
Speaker 1: get back to you no time soon. And I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was like, just let you know, I'm launching MIAM
Speaker 1: and Main League here. It is called Lights Out Extreme
Speaker 1: Fighting here it is. So I go downstairs. My phone
Speaker 1: rings and I know that Fox the Fox lot number,
Speaker 1: so I know I'm like, oh damn, somebody's called me
Speaker 1: for Fox. So I went back upstairs. They sent me
Speaker 1: to FS one first, and I pitched him the idea,
Speaker 1: told them what I wanted to do. At FS one,
Speaker 1: they said, we love it, and then they sent me
Speaker 1: to the regionals. So we had originally started out on
Speaker 1: Fox Sports West in prime ticket. That was my first
Speaker 1: deal that I negotiated TV rights. They didn't pay us.
Speaker 1: They gave us a two hour time slot, and I
Speaker 1: negotiated commercial time, so I sold sponsorship and commercials, so
Speaker 1: every hour you get about sixty minutes worth of commercials,
Speaker 1: and so negotiated gave Fox. The Fox got their eight minutes,
Speaker 1: We got our eight minutes every hour, so I got
Speaker 1: sixteen minutes worth of commercials plus all those sponsors. So
Speaker 1: I literally launched this company when with sponsors and Fox Sports,
Speaker 1: and we went to like ten other reagions in the
Speaker 1: country and then the rest was kind of history.
Speaker 4: No ship and there's your brain child the whole entime time.
Speaker 4: So what's the thought what's the thought process of Like
Speaker 4: I guess explain the market of like getting in a
Speaker 4: world where it feels like the UFC is the is
Speaker 4: the premier league for fighting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you I think that every major league needs
Speaker 1: a minor league anyway. Everyone, you know, it's I think
Speaker 1: everyone and you'll see that got you know, tons of
Speaker 1: leagues they pour a talent from. But what you hope
Speaker 1: to have the best talent in the Yorks or the
Speaker 1: talent from you keep going there because it's gonna make
Speaker 1: more and more guys go. And so when we first launched,
Speaker 1: I think the idea to everybody else like, oh, you
Speaker 1: can't be big because the UFC's there. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: that's the opposite you. First of all, if you're if
Speaker 1: you were a real feeder, if UFC is looking at
Speaker 1: you and they're saying, oh, they got like some some
Speaker 1: killers down there, they got some dogs. We can go
Speaker 1: pull our talent. We know they're going to be able
Speaker 1: to compete against the guys we have when the guys
Speaker 1: we match them up against, yeah, because they already been
Speaker 1: through the ringer when they come to lights out of
Speaker 1: extreme fighting. So what happened was I started looking around, man,
Speaker 1: and uh, looking at all all sports streaming platforms. Right,
Speaker 1: I've been at Fox, been at WW network, be it
Speaker 1: at been at ESP and all these places, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I know, I know this broadcasting TV and streaming.
Speaker 1: And I had a lot of relationships in the TV business,
Speaker 1: including streaming because a lot of them, like CBS was
Speaker 1: starting to CBS Sports Networks streaming and it was kind
Speaker 1: of pivoting. So I knew a lot of Paramountain, Fox
Speaker 1: and everyone else. So my production actually, when I first
Speaker 1: started out, it was all like former Fox sports producers, directors,
Speaker 1: camera guys. So I had a group like a nice
Speaker 1: So my production we looked like we were we've been
Speaker 1: around for a decade because we had the we had
Speaker 1: the eyeballs of because I unders TV in production, so
Speaker 1: I started looking around like, shit, nobody out here is
Speaker 1: really doing all sports like free ad supported streaming service.
Speaker 1: And so a couple good friends of mine had launched Pluto.
Speaker 1: They found it and launched Pluto the streaming service. So
Speaker 1: I actually was around them a lot, and so I
Speaker 1: was picking up on things and watched the growth to
Speaker 1: them and then watched to sell to Paramount. You know,
Speaker 1: so I was like, nobody really focused it on sports
Speaker 1: and didn't make it free ad support it, so I
Speaker 1: knew all the players in the business. So I started
Speaker 1: calling people. I said, hey, how long you got there?
Speaker 1: You know you ready to leave? Hey, I got too
Speaker 1: much of my contract. I call me when you're done.
Speaker 1: And so I started putting everything in place, and so
Speaker 1: right now lights our sports TV. We're on every major
Speaker 1: smart TV in the world, iOS, Android. We got thirty
Speaker 1: different fash channels there like motocross, motorsports, TNA wrestling you
Speaker 1: saw was on there too that I didn't start with them, Chess, poker,
Speaker 1: poker or poker go to World Poker Tours on there.
Speaker 1: And then we got three hundred different sports movies and documentaries.
Speaker 1: But it's all sports, no shit. Yeah, sixteen different live sports.
Speaker 1: And then the big one that I just got was
Speaker 1: East West Shrine Bowl practices. So NFL Network still has
Speaker 1: the game for right now. They have thinks the last
Speaker 1: year on the contract, so I don't know what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen after that, but I've made up the practice weeks.
Speaker 1: They never really focused in on the practices, so just like.
Speaker 4: The Senior Bowl, the recent Senior Bowl, like when you
Speaker 4: can watch practice unfold throughout the week that week leading
Speaker 4: up to the game is going to be on lights
Speaker 4: out sports.
Speaker 1: Yep. Nice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's like the most important part of the week.
Speaker 1: The game is kind of just this is the this
Speaker 1: is why I really did this. Man. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: know sports right, Like, I'm not gonna sit up there
Speaker 1: and try to get in the big picture movies or
Speaker 1: shoot a lot of original content stuff outside of sports.
Speaker 1: Like when it comes to sports, as you just said,
Speaker 1: you started thinking like why, why the hell nobody ever
Speaker 1: done this? Right, All these guys are competing to improved
Speaker 1: a draft draft stock or to get drafted, and you
Speaker 1: got every you got GMS there during the week, you
Speaker 1: got NFL scouts, coaches, owners sometime will pop into these things.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the show. And so my
Speaker 1: I'm producing the whole week, my production company. We're going
Speaker 1: in there and I'm having a damn camera right behind
Speaker 1: the wide receivers and DB's on one on ones, the
Speaker 1: one on one defensive line against offensive line. I'm having
Speaker 1: the cameras in that like right there so everybody can
Speaker 1: see it. But because we played it and you have
Speaker 1: for me personally, it's like an authentic voice behind this
Speaker 1: to actually like want to do this shit and love it.
Speaker 1: And so I think eventually even even by the way,
Speaker 1: that week of the practice gonna be something real. We
Speaker 1: got cameras and drones like all kinds of crazy shits,
Speaker 1: a lot of shot side programming shows and talking to coaches,
Speaker 1: GMS players. It's really really gonna be an interactive week.
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm happy. Like the East West this is
Speaker 1: their one hundredth year, like this is a big year
Speaker 1: for them, and so they actually I brought it up
Speaker 1: and they called right back and said, yeah, we Sean,
Speaker 1: we see what you're doing and we want to be
Speaker 1: a part of it. And I was like, that's that
Speaker 1: was big for me, you know, for them to choose that.
Speaker 1: And then after that I get calls from the Indoor
Speaker 1: Football League is coming over the gout I f A
Speaker 1: is uh is there too? Another another emerging football league
Speaker 1: is coming at the Women's Football League number one women's
Speaker 1: football league will possibly have And then this one that
Speaker 1: they're showing now, this was the Mega Mansa that we
Speaker 1: uh that we launched a couple about a month and
Speaker 1: a half ago, called the fans on. And so again,
Speaker 1: as as being former players, we know like the parts
Speaker 1: of the game that people love to see. And sometimes
Speaker 1: it's not the game, it's the things around it. The yeah,
Speaker 1: the meet up, the fomo that you create, Like you
Speaker 1: can watch the game from anywhere in the world. You can.
Speaker 1: You can find the game somehow, you can't find a tailgame.
Speaker 1: And I started thinking. I was like, man, who is
Speaker 1: really doing this? No one again, you would think somebody
Speaker 1: would have the weaker practice for these West front both
Speaker 1: the more important week because some of these guys won't
Speaker 1: get a lot of playing time anyway. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: why not make a week out of it? So you
Speaker 1: make a whole show out of it, which would also
Speaker 1: be shown in ninety airports.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they do it for the I mean they do
Speaker 5: it for the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 5: Why not the East West Line?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 5: So what's if you could get the rights to one thing?
Speaker 1: What would it be for for.
Speaker 5: Your production company? Oh?
Speaker 4: Nice question? NFL preseason games? No, you don't want a game,
Speaker 4: you want the preseason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the preseason game, because I think you can get
Speaker 1: more creative.
Speaker 5: I see your mindset, I see your mindset.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, Why fight over what everybody's fighting over when
Speaker 5: there's money to be made in these other spots.
Speaker 1: And you make it to what people want to watch.
Speaker 1: And you know, preseason for us, especially when you're a VET,
Speaker 1: you're like, you like want just shit, hurry.
Speaker 4: Up, right, You want to get your ten players out
Speaker 4: of the way.
Speaker 1: You want to get the series or two and be done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so but I think for the fans to get
Speaker 1: excited about to see that, there's so many creative things
Speaker 1: that I would do for a preseason game to make
Speaker 1: you watch.
Speaker 5: And it's loose. The players are loose. They feel you
Speaker 5: something about seeing a player with their shoulder pads unbuckled,
Speaker 5: the jersey up, seeds in their mouth.
Speaker 4: Yes, there's go bro. He's kind of like us. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the only real thing out there that does it
Speaker 4: is like what Hard Knocks. Yeah, that's it doesn't great
Speaker 4: to be the only thing. And it's only on one team,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Because you kind of see
Speaker 4: the backstory within preseason and like you said, no one
Speaker 4: really cares about you know, you get your series or two,
Speaker 4: but outside of that, it's like you you liked and
Speaker 4: the Hard Knights because you're seeing the actual reality.
Speaker 5: But if you're able to take one of the top
Speaker 5: players wearing a bucket hat, hanging out and you put
Speaker 5: a microphone on them in the middle of a game.
Speaker 5: People want to know that you even.
Speaker 1: Get so creative because the thing is the reason why
Speaker 1: I created the fans on because it's number one fan
Speaker 1: engagement mechanism. You can get to like the number one.
Speaker 1: You can't get closer to the fans in that right.
Speaker 1: You could be in the stadium, you can watch the games,
Speaker 1: you can put them on a jumbo Trump. But you
Speaker 1: look these guys, these all three former players, my former teammates,
Speaker 1: Legoty Craig came real and cause Sims got all guys
Speaker 1: I played with, and they just get like this is
Speaker 1: the ultimate, like fam hangout, try food, drink a little
Speaker 1: bit corn hole music. It's like, you don't get any
Speaker 1: better than this. And uh, the Buffalo bills won't dropped tomorrow, dude.
Speaker 1: When I walked in, I just sold it up a
Speaker 1: little bit. I ain't gonna like it was like one
Speaker 1: of those things, dude, it was. It was unreal because
Speaker 1: they just they do it different and it's a different setup, right,
Speaker 1: and so you got ketchup and mustard. You know, guys
Speaker 1: are there walking to speedo it's coldest hell outside, by
Speaker 1: the way, And you said we got one shot during
Speaker 1: the show where you see a see of people. Gotta
Speaker 1: be every bit of three thousand or close to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just back, this is a tailgate, dude. It's not like
Speaker 1: it looks like a concert. So when we dropped that
Speaker 1: tomorrow Light Size Sports, it's gonna be massive. And you know,
Speaker 1: and talks now to get to work with Snoops youth
Speaker 1: league football team too, so we My thing is I
Speaker 1: would like to get all thirty two teams for tailgates.
Speaker 5: For sure, rank them them what they do good, they
Speaker 5: don't rate them the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I got so many, so many games that Tailgate should
Speaker 1: play against other teams. It's a whole game within a game. Yes,
Speaker 1: And there's so many things I want to do hopefully,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, talking to enough teams now that
Speaker 1: I think we we shot three shows and the Chargers
Speaker 1: just did one with the Bills. I think I got
Speaker 1: a couple more with the Bills, but mainly, man, just
Speaker 1: bring it. Do you know what I think too? Because
Speaker 1: I played in San Diego, was just a lot of military,
Speaker 1: right and you know these guys get or women they
Speaker 1: get deployed, so they can't come to the tailgate, so
Speaker 1: all they get is that two minutes. Yo, I wish
Speaker 1: you were here, you know that. And I'm like, now
Speaker 1: you can watch your friends and family on the tailgate.
Speaker 1: You're there.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 5: Also, I don't know about this, but why not go
Speaker 5: overseas where they're at and have a tailgate for them
Speaker 5: for their teams.
Speaker 1: So there's a thing that I just implemented for our
Speaker 1: fights where you can simulcast. So I'm working on that.
Speaker 1: So a lot of these of these troops that are overseas,
Speaker 1: I want something simo cast where we have them separate
Speaker 1: where they could feel like they're there at that tailgate
Speaker 1: even though they're overseas working them.
Speaker 5: Just that's fucking awesome, man. That It sounds like a
Speaker 5: really cool project that's got legs right now rolling.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, it's massive. And this one, this one was shown
Speaker 1: in ninety airports. It was live in shaps twenty four
Speaker 1: undred plus.
Speaker 4: Cool man. And in the fight game, like, what are
Speaker 4: like the competitive edges you look to kind of you know,
Speaker 4: magnify there, Well you do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the biggest the biggest thing is uh,
Speaker 1: like I got we we built a platform for ourselves, right,
Speaker 1: playing in the NFL, Right, And like there's no bigger
Speaker 1: fan base than NFL football fans always always will be king,
Speaker 1: at least in this country.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: And so you kind of exposing these guys he's up
Speaker 1: and coming like superstars who trying to make a name
Speaker 1: for themselves. Like dude, the mass of having a young
Speaker 1: Con McGregor, right, or young Ronda Rousey, right or something.
Speaker 1: You can you get them up there, you kind of
Speaker 1: build them up and then USC get them a called
Speaker 1: and they become some mega superstars. But they started with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I think for us, we're trying to create superstars
Speaker 1: and give these guys it's a platform because we just
Speaker 1: in the last two months. I think you actually signed
Speaker 1: two of our guys in the last two months.
Speaker 4: Awesome. That's awesome. You also do a lot in the
Speaker 4: charitable world as well, like yeah, pooling and everything else. Yep,
Speaker 4: speak on that, especially coming from the place that you
Speaker 4: did come from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I think I hate bullies. I hate personal bullies,
Speaker 1: I hate corporate bullies, I hate any any bully out there, man,
Speaker 1: Because to me, it was like, uh, we had this
Speaker 1: sting growing up like I was always was, I bullied
Speaker 1: the bully. Yeah, you know, it's like it was like
Speaker 1: a nice guy who was always nice. Everybody can kick
Speaker 1: your ass like relaxed bro, like you're going too far,
Speaker 1: Like we'll pick up somebody of your own size type
Speaker 1: of deal. It's I always hated bullies. And then obviously
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit like how I grew up
Speaker 1: and we were homeless a couple of different times.
Speaker 4: We're not.
Speaker 1: I started this winter cod drive at the University of Maryland.
Speaker 1: Then I got my twenty third annual coming up on
Speaker 1: the sixteenth, which is in two weeks, and so this
Speaker 1: thing has been going. You know. Now I got a
Speaker 1: fourteen year old son, like he's in jery, so they
Speaker 1: all drive. Now he's there at the cold drives and stuff,
Speaker 1: and hopefully after my ass has gone one of these
Speaker 1: days that you know, he'll continue it on. Because you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't like we were a homeless dude. And I
Speaker 1: remember those winners. We were cold as hell. We couldn't
Speaker 1: afford colts. We actually put like socks on hand, We
Speaker 1: put on three sweatshirts because we couldn't afford a nice colt.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and so I got this
Speaker 1: cold drive in two weeks it's my twenty yeah, twenty
Speaker 1: third a We've colected over thirty thousand coats over twenty
Speaker 1: two years.
Speaker 4: That's amazing. Noose shit, Yes, annual one coming up here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in two weeks at the University of Maryland.
Speaker 4: Know what's your biggest piece of advice to kids that
Speaker 4: you do will like identify with that to kind of
Speaker 4: see that could potentially be on a similar path that
Speaker 4: you were on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think one of the biggest things I try
Speaker 1: to tell them is is there's always light at the
Speaker 1: end of the tunnel like when I was. When I
Speaker 1: was we're going through as much stuff as I was
Speaker 1: with my sun. Right, he's doing my son's ranking them
Speaker 1: a fourteenth in the country quarterback. Oh no shit, I
Speaker 1: think it's not one of the Jersey I think he
Speaker 1: did that ship despite me. To be honest, you make
Speaker 1: him a Husker. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to call him
Speaker 1: from Maryland. He was just at the Syracuse game last
Speaker 1: week and the Syracuse love them. But I think for me,
Speaker 1: like going through what I went through now because I
Speaker 1: was I was always constantly asking myself like, shit, why why?
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't do anything wrong, Like I'm
Speaker 1: a good kid. I go to school. You know, I
Speaker 1: fight a little bit, you know, like, but that's the
Speaker 1: most you got out of me. And I was like, man,
Speaker 1: why is this shit happened to me? Like why do
Speaker 1: I got to come home and there's no food? So
Speaker 1: you question yourself a lot, and you know, good times
Speaker 1: don't don't always last neither that's bad. And so you know,
Speaker 1: any any these young kids are just going through something
Speaker 1: or feel down because suicide rates are up and like
Speaker 1: a lot of depression and anxiety and all that shit,
Speaker 1: just remember that there's always light no matter what. There's
Speaker 1: always light no matter what you're going through. It might
Speaker 1: be another week, might be a month. You might even
Speaker 1: have a bad year or some shit. Just know that
Speaker 1: you'll get through it and you'll be fine. And so
Speaker 1: I think that especially the younger kids and there going
Speaker 1: through and they got no outlet. And I was so
Speaker 1: fortunate that football was an outlet for me because I
Speaker 1: feel bad. You know, people ask all the time, or
Speaker 1: would you let yourself play football? Like yes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean because there's so many things I learned from the
Speaker 1: game that if I didn't play, I would have never
Speaker 1: been of the surviving life. One hundred percent. Believe. If
Speaker 1: I didn't play football, I would have never I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be sitting there right now because it was an outlet
Speaker 1: for me. And it also taught me a lot of things,
Speaker 1: like overcoming Like dude, I mean some of those some
Speaker 1: of those summers you're in training camp, you're running those
Speaker 1: half gases and shit, do like you got to be
Speaker 1: a different individual sometime.
Speaker 5: To the work ethic, oh man, discipline, everything, yeah, comes
Speaker 5: involved with being a football players.
Speaker 4: Selfless nature. You kind of have to create one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: You know, dog tired and his fourth fourth down and
Speaker 1: you know, fourth quarter, you're trying to get through it.
Speaker 1: You can't just go out there quick because people are relying.
Speaker 5: On you, unless you're a quarterback for the Colts. Whatever
Speaker 5: you want, just take up plays off whatever you why not?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 5: It's just part of the deal.
Speaker 4: Man. That's good advice. It's a good advice because football
Speaker 4: does teach you so much more than next is.
Speaker 1: And it's yeah, it's I mean, there's very few people
Speaker 1: in the world's gonna put their shoulder, the finger or
Speaker 1: something back in place and get back in the game, right,
Speaker 1: throw some tape on that ship, like just you look
Speaker 1: back on it now like some sick ship, you know,
Speaker 1: like how just our mindset and how like we looked
Speaker 1: at everything like you know, pain was weakness.
Speaker 5: It's interesting looking out the world now and you see
Speaker 5: like a couple of people get hurt, like you might
Speaker 5: be out with somebody and they roll their ankle and
Speaker 5: they make it a big deal out of it, and
Speaker 5: you're like, bro, come on right, just like we know
Speaker 5: it's low and involved.
Speaker 4: Now you get removed from the game long enough and
Speaker 4: you just start to have just a different perspective and
Speaker 4: you see the fish bowl and the bubble that players
Speaker 4: get in mentally, and you just know, like you have
Speaker 4: no clue until you get out of it, what you're
Speaker 4: what you're sweating right now. Yeah, it's just and it's
Speaker 4: a weird. It's a weird psychology.
Speaker 5: You shouldn't get out of it either, because a minute
Speaker 5: you you zoom out a little bit and realize, like,
Speaker 5: if you're not one hundred percent focused on this thing,
Speaker 5: you're fucked. Yeah, absolutely fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you but the crazy thing is you don't
Speaker 1: see that stuff to you to you walk get away
Speaker 1: from the game a little bit, you start looking at
Speaker 1: everything like even now do you guys? You know act
Speaker 1: my favorite teamates like shit, man, I played on the
Speaker 1: team with LT Yeah you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: I remember walking in as a rookie looking alt like
Speaker 1: he was Jordan.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: It's like this is a day just people being like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I can't know if you play with this person that
Speaker 5: was your actual friend, right, somebody who hung out with Yep,
Speaker 5: that's awesome, man.
Speaker 4: Should we get it?
Speaker 1: Twist a question?
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's get this twist This is a question because
Speaker 4: I'm excited about this one.
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Speaker 5: This twisted question is brought to us by Sherman or.
Speaker 4: Mitch or some enthusiasm.
Speaker 9: All right, twisted question this week kind of basic goes
Speaker 9: off of your lights out network and your lights lights
Speaker 9: out of Extreme fighting to save the world. Would you
Speaker 9: rather have one hundred tries to beat Rock Lesnar in
Speaker 9: his prime or one thousand tries to hit a hole
Speaker 9: in one.
Speaker 1: Rock?
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, that is a very prime. You understand that
Speaker 5: national championship at the University of Minnesota Wrestling was a
Speaker 5: superstar at the w W Heavyweight Champion of the world,
Speaker 5: the Ufcah, that's who you're taking a hundred times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't need a hundred though, to be honest.
Speaker 4: That's the exactly you think it would take. Oh God,
Speaker 4: because listen, if you were if you were in the car,
Speaker 4: if you were in the driver's seat to save the world,
Speaker 4: out of these two options. Elated to hear you say,
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, I do think that's our best shot? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I yeah, probably not not very many, to
Speaker 1: be honest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, was that? Where do you see the flaws in
Speaker 5: his game? Do you want what's he couldn't stand up
Speaker 5: with me?
Speaker 1: He's a great wrestler. Great, if you're saying that he wrestler,
Speaker 1: take me down, I got I would not argue with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if he gets close enough where he's standing up
Speaker 1: with me, he doesn't. He doesn't have a shot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is the way you said it. Maybe believe you.
Speaker 4: But also I heard he talked ship on your your
Speaker 4: p D and getting pro bowl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I wouldn't.
Speaker 7: Corner.
Speaker 4: He was talking some crazy.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you this, dude, I have played nine holes
Speaker 5: of golf in my entire life. I don't I don't
Speaker 5: care for golf one bit. I'm doing the thousand shots shots.
Speaker 5: I'm just not you know, once upon a time, I
Speaker 5: think we talked about getting further removed. It seems like
Speaker 5: you've kept your edge for me. I see people warming up.
Speaker 5: I'm like, god, damn, I did that.
Speaker 4: That is crazy.
Speaker 1: No, I definitely had to look back from like getting
Speaker 1: cut blocking shit. I'm like, you know, sometime I'll grabbed
Speaker 1: my legs and.
Speaker 4: Sometime these cats playing on You're just like, I can't
Speaker 4: believe I was out there like doing that.
Speaker 5: Work, yes yesterday, doing the things he did, Like, oh
Speaker 5: my gosh, he did that ship.
Speaker 1: I grabbed both of my I would have came down
Speaker 1: my patella and my monist which just fell right out.
Speaker 5: Of the side of my done no doubt, but hey,
Speaker 5: good luck with bruck Lesner Will.
Speaker 4: On the twist of question, yeah, maybe I mean, are
Speaker 4: we talking part three here? Yeah, of course I would say.
Speaker 4: I would say the thousand tries of golf, like, no
Speaker 4: matter what, Like you get a hundred try, it's like
Speaker 4: you gotta think that one can land and maybe all
Speaker 4: he needs one. Maybe maybe I'm crazy, right, but I
Speaker 4: would say your best bet is a thousand tries.
Speaker 5: Just think about when you're on like a ten to
Speaker 5: fifty seven and fucking he knocks you out and then
Speaker 5: you guys just both reset to being the first.
Speaker 4: So what happened? We might be fucked everybody. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: not built. I'm not built like it'd be like after tomorrow.
Speaker 1: You know nothing. Why I didn't pick the golf is
Speaker 1: because I know people that play golf almost every day
Speaker 1: it still suck. You get what I'm saying, Like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I don't feel I don't feel confident that
Speaker 1: I will go out there because I'm watching people who
Speaker 1: do this for eleven and who still come out some
Speaker 1: days and just look terrible. That's why I don't like golf. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, dude, whenever if I do something like repetitive,
Speaker 1: because we're told as athletes, you do something ten thousand times,
Speaker 1: you're gonna do what you'll be great. Yes, master, you
Speaker 1: cannot be great doing that ten thousand times. You can
Speaker 1: come out look great one day and they come out
Speaker 1: there the next day and leg guse.
Speaker 4: Yeah needs that one. You just need that one. You
Speaker 4: see yourself? Are you gonna be fighting at some point?
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not against it. This is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm not against it, but I do respect
Speaker 1: these guys. I've jumped in, I've jumped in training camps,
Speaker 1: I've sparred. I still I still spar I spared a
Speaker 1: couple weeks agoed Randy Contoris jym up in in Vegas.
Speaker 1: So I like to be around the guys. That's more
Speaker 1: import than I like to be around the guys the
Speaker 1: spar stay stay with it because I feel better discipline wise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like I think we get done d it's
Speaker 1: like we feel like bumps a little bit, like we
Speaker 1: don't we can't compete anymore. So I think I walk
Speaker 1: in some days I'm like, oh shit, I can still go,
Speaker 1: Like I can still do it. But the difference is
Speaker 1: is that like us, it's like the pros versus Jos.
Speaker 1: When people start talking, She's like, dude, listen, I will
Speaker 1: knock your head off. Right you put on a pair
Speaker 1: of pads and the help and I will literally knock
Speaker 1: your head off. And so these fighters, like they do
Speaker 1: this for a living, Like these guys train six days,
Speaker 1: seven days a week, sometime twice a day. And so
Speaker 1: I don't want to go down that path unless I
Speaker 1: was fully committed, because right now do like with lightsile sports,
Speaker 1: and like I'm want to plane every five days, you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm not meeting with a vineye old casino or
Speaker 1: some kind of arena, it's a sponsor. It's like a
Speaker 1: NonStop distribution deal. Like we got some stuff possibly in
Speaker 1: the works, come up to UFC Fight Pass. Yeah that
Speaker 1: we're gonna announce it soon too. And so these are
Speaker 1: this I'm doing these deals, you know. And so I'll
Speaker 1: get in the gym now and I'll spa and train
Speaker 1: when i can, right as opposed to that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: What about like a celebrity, Yeah, yeah, yeah, j Paul's
Speaker 1: asked for He's small, He's I think I think Jake
Speaker 1: is really I think Jake is really good. I've been
Speaker 1: saying this for like five years. I thought that Jake
Speaker 1: when I first seen him train and Shane Mosley had
Speaker 1: called me one day and I watched this in twoenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: and Shane said, Hey, come up to my place in
Speaker 1: Big Beer and watch this kid, Jake Paul train like
Speaker 1: he can actually go. Uh, And so I did. I
Speaker 1: drove up to Shane Mostley's place, and I stayed that
Speaker 1: week and I trained with him, and I watched Jake
Speaker 1: Paul work and I was like, dude, this dude is
Speaker 1: he's gonna be really good, like really good. He was
Speaker 1: running up We've been around athletes our whole life. This
Speaker 1: we know athlete. When we see one running up the hills, digging,
Speaker 1: like pushing himself, like doing stuff that the normal person.
Speaker 5: Does, just know you just has that drive.
Speaker 1: He has that drive.
Speaker 5: What's your stance on the Mike Tyson fight? Him and
Speaker 5: Mike Tyson?
Speaker 1: I think I think if it gets outside of the
Speaker 1: third round, it's all Jake. I think Jake will hurt
Speaker 1: him bad. Really yeah, because Mike the power never really
Speaker 1: you don't lose the power as much. One of those
Speaker 1: inside shots will clip you. You can he can knock
Speaker 1: Jake out still at almost sixty years old. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: inside punches, body punches, head movement, all that stuff. Mike
Speaker 1: still has one of those land It's gonna hurt Jake bad.
Speaker 1: After the third round. Mike is just gonna get tired.
Speaker 1: He can't go. I mean, his power and his stamina
Speaker 1: of his movement after the third round is just gonna
Speaker 1: tank because your body just can't at that age. It's
Speaker 1: the stamina of the goals. Like somebody asks me now,
Speaker 1: because I played, I go a lineup right now, play
Speaker 1: give you twelve plays. I'm not saying they'll be great,
Speaker 1: but I can do it. But if you ask me
Speaker 1: want to play twenty twenty five, I just I can't
Speaker 1: gonna go.
Speaker 4: Up.
Speaker 5: You can't, you know, but I was on that neck pain.
Speaker 5: You forgot about it for sure, you know.
Speaker 1: So he I think Mike is gonna look great for
Speaker 1: three rounds and he got a chance to clip Jake
Speaker 1: Paul and knock him out or at least hurt him
Speaker 1: enough where he's not as uh dominating on them last round.
Speaker 5: As a person who's boxed before. There's a bunch of
Speaker 5: rumors obviously that Jake Pulse fights are rigged.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is there any truth.
Speaker 5: Of that in your mind?
Speaker 1: This is why I don't believe that those things true,
Speaker 1: because if if you're caught, you're done, you hope like
Speaker 1: all the millions. So if you if you're caught doing
Speaker 1: this stuff, you're just you're done, and nobody's gonna come
Speaker 1: to a fight anymore. You're not gonna get pay per views,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get paid, so that one risk that
Speaker 1: you don't know that if it does get out that
Speaker 1: you're rigging fights. This is why I say that. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it doesn't happen. I'm just saying, with this
Speaker 1: amount of money and situation on the line, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be hard to rig because it's take one person from
Speaker 1: some his camp. They say, hey, I was paid such
Speaker 1: and such to take a dive. Right, once you do
Speaker 1: that and somebody find proof of that, you're done, just
Speaker 1: get out the sport. So it's too He's making too
Speaker 1: much money, has too much opportunities, including his other businesses
Speaker 1: and everything he promotes, to be tied to rigging fights.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that it doesn't happen. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying for him, it's too risky to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel you, I get it. I like that response.
Speaker 5: I think Jake Paul's gonna see that clip. He is
Speaker 5: gonna really appreciate it. Yeah, you don't like that, should
Speaker 5: hit the tier talk.
Speaker 4: I'm down. I'm down to hit tier talk. You want
Speaker 4: to explain tear talk? Yeah, So tiar talk is we're
Speaker 4: gonna do best personal celebrations. You got Tier three, start
Speaker 4: a tier three, work your way up Tier two, tier one.
Speaker 4: It's basically your top three all time. You're gonna say
Speaker 4: what your celebration is, so it might be the lights
Speaker 4: out celebration. You give a little sizzle, you give a
Speaker 4: little feedback on why you think it belongs in that tier,
Speaker 4: and then that's ultimately that is tier talk. That is
Speaker 4: tier talk. You think, do you have to go to
Speaker 4: the restroom? No, I'm good, I'm going to look up.
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Speaker 5: this episode. I think I'm way outgunned in this one.
Speaker 5: I think my opinion, yeah, but I think my opinion is.
Speaker 4: Not gonna you want to start. I started off.
Speaker 5: I want to see his dad first.
Speaker 4: Oh, that was the one with a little sugar on it.
Speaker 4: That was Dallas whoa, yeah, whoa. I sat the second half.
Speaker 4: We were we were going into the playoffs. Coach, you
Speaker 4: need to rest my legs.
Speaker 1: So you exerted a little bit more energy because yeah,
Speaker 1: the gentleman's dad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, I'm.
Speaker 5: Gonna I just want to go up. I said, you
Speaker 5: know what, fuck it, dude, I'm not gonna tell you
Speaker 5: gus what I feel.
Speaker 1: I think. I think the.
Speaker 5: Simplicity of a celebration goes a long way with me.
Speaker 5: The elaborates all that I feel like gets I feel
Speaker 5: like gets old after a while. My Tier three is
Speaker 5: gonna go to the og feed me coined and started
Speaker 5: by the Denard Robinson Shoelace Robinson. He was actually the
Speaker 5: individual that started that celebration. Did it against our house state?
Speaker 5: Who picked it up at your leader?
Speaker 1: Is he?
Speaker 5: Hehiel Elliott, you'd be the judge my tier two.
Speaker 1: So just it's one every tier.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, so tier three is like the bottom. Okay,
Speaker 5: tier two, then tier one is your favorite my tier two.
Speaker 5: This is gonna sound crazy, but a touchdown being scored,
Speaker 5: a home run being hit, you meet the other individual,
Speaker 5: not a whole lot of celebration, just a handshake. I
Speaker 5: think the handshake is it goes a long fucking way. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and my tier one and this might be my old
Speaker 5: man or everybody's old man saying, act like you've been
Speaker 5: there before. But when somebody rockets off a crazy play
Speaker 5: and they don't even act like nothing fucking happen and
Speaker 5: they just the walk off, that to me is the
Speaker 5: best celebration out there. Derrick Henry is probably the number
Speaker 5: one person doing that right now. I think the walk up,
Speaker 5: no celebration, the no selling like this dude's just been
Speaker 5: doing this forever.
Speaker 4: You're like the you like the You're like the dad
Speaker 4: talking about the Walter Payton's and Barry Sanders.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you see that now. I am a celebrator. I
Speaker 5: am if I was the one scoring touchdowns. You see
Speaker 5: me come up with something new every single week. However,
Speaker 5: to me, when I watch it from a distance, I
Speaker 5: see somebody just store a touchdown, have an insane play,
Speaker 5: and then the walk up, no c You're like, Yo,
Speaker 5: this dude just must know something that we don't know.
Speaker 5: And that is my tiar talk. Now, what Will didn't
Speaker 5: tell you is we're gonna go around the room and
Speaker 5: everyone's gonna give one word to say how they feel
Speaker 5: about your tear talk.
Speaker 4: We will basic, okay, basic.
Speaker 6: Short and sweet, hyphenated wame.
Speaker 5: Jack Michigan.
Speaker 1: That was nasty. That was nasty, was kind of boring,
Speaker 1: a little bit boring, born, a little bit hyphenating.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeahh okay, boring, a little bit hyphenated born.
Speaker 4: That should be a quote graphic for Coop.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: My Tier three is going to go to Chris Johnson's
Speaker 4: touchdown celebration. I felt like I remember being in Nebraskan
Speaker 4: guys or trying to mimic his celebration. What does he
Speaker 4: call it? Chop City? Yeah? Bro, when when Chris Johnson
Speaker 4: was scoring touchdowns, everybody was glued to the TV. People
Speaker 4: are trying to mimic it. My Tier two is going
Speaker 4: to be He had talked about it earlier the Ray
Speaker 4: Lewis pregame ritual coming out of the Tunnel. I mean,
Speaker 4: just iconic, especially if you're a linebacker, like watching him
Speaker 4: do that captivate an entire stadium to the point where
Speaker 4: the man can still go out and do it in
Speaker 4: the stadium goes crazy. That's legacy. That's what Ray Lewis
Speaker 4: is about. My Tier one is gonna go. I'm going
Speaker 4: to enter in the the Wrestling World w W, f
Speaker 4: w W, the D Generation X the Sucket sign like
Speaker 4: that was taking the world by storm bro and that
Speaker 4: that is my tier one where it changed culture and
Speaker 4: that is D Generation X.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 4: That that was.
Speaker 1: That was like an era like that that was at era. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was the attitude era. Dude, Like I
Speaker 1: don't get I don't give you who you were. I
Speaker 1: saw like Grandma's Grandma's are doing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my tier talk good. You hated that, hated
Speaker 4: it because you literally you're just playing. I was like,
Speaker 4: what am I doing? They said, no. Celebration was the
Speaker 4: tier one.
Speaker 1: That that was. That was pretty bad about groundbreaking, youthful
Speaker 1: attitude hyped.
Speaker 4: Let's get from when you go, man, So yeah, you
Speaker 4: have the floor.
Speaker 1: Twer three, I'm gonna go. Uh, I'm gonna go to
Speaker 1: the Kimbay, Okay, yeah, I got I had time to think,
Speaker 1: so I'll come up strong. Yeah, I'm gonna go to
Speaker 1: Kimbay with the wagon. I'm gonna go. Ray lewis what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick somebody because I would pick he got
Speaker 1: ray Let's go. Uh this is a sleeper. But who
Speaker 1: I like a lot is Jared Allen the rope.
Speaker 4: Yeah, bro right, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: Okay, you gotta be all football, any sport. I went,
Speaker 1: w W, I'm gonna go Ronaldo?
Speaker 4: What is Ronaldo? Dude? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm not
Speaker 4: a jumping down Yeah all right, cultured, yeah, solid, elite.
Speaker 7: Unrealal tear.
Speaker 4: Hey but yours? I mean, come on.
Speaker 1: Now, you know, so the first time I when I
Speaker 1: did that, when that hit against Georgia Tech, my coach
Speaker 1: yanked me out the game. He pulled me out, and
Speaker 1: so I got the light switched from you know, I'm
Speaker 1: pretending to do turning the light switch on and off.
Speaker 1: But at the time I just pointed at it, and
Speaker 1: the crowd got louder, and I just, out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: I started jumping.
Speaker 4: I didn't plan it, yeah, just the body taking on.
Speaker 4: It's just this isn't that first game or.
Speaker 1: This this is the first game.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This was like when I came off, when I came
Speaker 1: off in the video to the show. When it came off,
Speaker 1: I was jumping up and down and doing it. My
Speaker 1: coach yanked me out the game. Roth Frigia did, and
Speaker 1: he said, if you ever do that, ship again. You'll
Speaker 1: never play here again this week told me. So I
Speaker 1: go from up here because I had a big ass
Speaker 1: hit on ESPN, like everybody's watching crowds. So I went
Speaker 1: from here to like here in two seconds, and I
Speaker 1: got on the sideline and my defensive coordinator coach Blackney,
Speaker 1: and everybody's like, what was that?
Speaker 4: What was that dance?
Speaker 1: You know? So just how people switch, It's called us
Speaker 1: the lights out dance. I just threw that ship out there.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was gonna stick, and it stuck.
Speaker 1: And that's how I just kept what made you do it?
Speaker 4: Again? Like was it your de corner?
Speaker 1: I just pointed at it after that because I got
Speaker 1: a piling Yeah, you know, I got the game. But
Speaker 1: when I got into the league, it was like all
Speaker 1: bets are off, like you are ship man, I went, dude,
Speaker 1: it was even now, Dude. I'll go like in the
Speaker 1: country and I'll see people doing shit across the street.
Speaker 1: It's the craziest thing ever. I was in Miami probably
Speaker 1: about six months ago, and I was going to what's
Speaker 1: the Stag Joint down in the Prime Prime. It was
Speaker 1: a group of people like six, like five or six
Speaker 1: people in the car like pulled up on a curve
Speaker 1: almost so I'm thinking, I'm like about to get robbed
Speaker 1: or some ship. I'm like, what is going on? They
Speaker 1: like literally drove up in the curve and they one
Speaker 1: guy jumped out and the other guy stuck their arm
Speaker 1: out the windows doing this.
Speaker 5: Let's fucking go.
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, that was so not just I
Speaker 1: was bending over broke because I couldn't even stand up,
Speaker 1: and I was laughing my ass off, and I was
Speaker 1: like pouring down tears. But it's cool man to suit
Speaker 1: people people still doing that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you probably had a run. It probably still happens
Speaker 4: where you got. Halloween just happened where the mohawk was going.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fucking awesome.
Speaker 4: Man, got more questions, dude, this has been all time,
Speaker 4: Like when you were when you were doing it, I
Speaker 4: was in high school, I was in college, like you
Speaker 4: were the fucking man bro, and it was fun to
Speaker 4: watch you then. And it's crazy to think now at
Speaker 4: thirty five years old, I have a podcast and you
Speaker 4: were sitting on the bus.
Speaker 1: No, that's all, thank you. I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: That's you know, keep dude, I tell anybody. And obviously
Speaker 1: launching the streaming platform. People don't know the difficulty of
Speaker 1: launching your own ship, you know. So it's a lot
Speaker 1: of work behind the scenes and people see it, you know,
Speaker 1: but they don't know what all goes into it. And
Speaker 1: it's those those days you're trying to figure shit out
Speaker 1: is this working? Is that not working? And you kind
Speaker 1: of on your own in a way, and it's a
Speaker 1: big risk. You know, I launched, I launched my damn
Speaker 1: streaming service. I was at full bo getting six figure checks,
Speaker 1: sex a fight, you know, and so I finally was
Speaker 1: just like fuck it, you know, I can do this
Speaker 1: shit on my own. Just jump out there and do it.
Speaker 1: And so people don't understand the work that's you know,
Speaker 1: kind of required into doing this, the sleepless nights, like
Speaker 1: we're doing it right, or we got to put some
Speaker 1: more money here with like there's a lot of figuring
Speaker 1: out to do. And you know, I always say this, man,
Speaker 1: people are jealous or envious of the results, but they're
Speaker 1: never jealous of the work. They're never you know, jealous
Speaker 1: of the bar, you know what I'm saying. And people
Speaker 1: are just jealous or they hating them, Like, man, you
Speaker 1: you're hating But if you knew what I had to
Speaker 1: do to do this shit. You know, you guys, go
Speaker 1: and get your own facility, your on you know everything.
Speaker 1: If you you're jealous of or or hating or whatever
Speaker 1: the case is, that you want that, but you don't
Speaker 1: want that, you don't want that work, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So yeah, kudos, y'allo man, and congrats. And
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the show. If you look
Speaker 1: back at like the twenty the last twenty shows, y'all,
Speaker 1: I've liked everything, you know.
Speaker 4: Let's fucking we can put the old Instagram comment to
Speaker 4: bed with Vernon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, full circle, no doubt, man, Thanks man.
Speaker 4: Like subscribe, big hugs, tiny kisses. Let's get a photo. Yeah, hey,
Speaker 4: that was awesome.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Appreciate