1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge, presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan mink 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: joined by Garrett Downing, and we are gonna break down 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: the biggest questions for the Ravens heading into this year's draft, 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: which is now Garrett, we're two days away. 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: It's hard to believe. It's one of those things you 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: talk about you feel like it's never actually gonna get here. 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: But and you know, forty eight hours, Eric's Cossa is 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: gonna be on the clock and it's gonna be exciting 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: to see how this weekend plays out. 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: The best part is that it means the end of 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: my minkering. I can't wait till the draft gets here 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: so I could just finally sleep and stop falling around 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: with my seven round Ravens mock draft. I know you 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: locked yours. 15 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: In today, well mostly locked mostly who I mean, here's 16 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: the truth. Here's the truth. You're saying it's the end 17 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: of your making, but like this is really when you're 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: making reaches new heights. Like you're saying it's the end, 19 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 2: but like you, we are in the middle of it, 20 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: like you were. This might be the eye of the 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: hurricane because these next like we have not recorded our 22 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 2: seven round mock draft episode for those of you listening, 23 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: that is going to drop tomorrow. Okay, so that is 24 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: going to come out tomorrow. That's where we do all 25 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: all the Ravens picks through all seven rounds and give 26 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: you our prediction for how this thing is going to 27 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: play out and make his famous if you're wondering what 28 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: the term mankering is, make his famous for tinkering with 29 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: his mock draft up until the eleventh hour, sometimes past that, so. 30 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes past that. It's true, he's not wrong. He tells 31 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: now lies. All right, So let's take on the biggest 32 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: draft questions. And I think the conversation for the Ravens 33 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: has really centered on offensive tackles. We've talked a lot 34 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: about them, right, And the big question to me going 35 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: into this are are one of the top eight guys 36 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: there for the Ravens, Which and who it could be? 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: Which offensive tackles are left on the board at number thirty, Garrett, 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: you feel pretty confident that one those top guys is 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: going to be there. 40 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, And when you say eight, why do you say eight? 41 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: Like? 42 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: Why is that the number in your head? 43 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: That's just that's where I generally see kind of the shelf, 44 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: the continental shelf, right is like the eight guys, and 45 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: if they that all gets picked clean, then you know, 46 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: it's a question of whether the Ravens see it differently. 47 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: Do they see it as nine deep in first round tackles? 48 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: Maybe they see it as seven I don't know or 49 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: And I think the question for me becomes, after you 50 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: get past that first kind of tier, then are the 51 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: next is the next tier? Those guys are gonna be 52 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: ready week one to step into a starting role at 53 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: right tackle, for example, or might they need a little 54 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: bit of time? And you have Daniel Folla, a friend 55 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: of the lounge, and he SIPs in. So those are 56 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: kind of the primary questions to me. 57 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that all makes sense when I look 58 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: at it. When you say I think one of those 59 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: a guys is going to be there, I think that 60 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: the two guys who have kind of been clumped together, 61 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: who have been mocked to the Ravens plenty of times. 62 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: It's Amarius Mems out of Georgia and Tyler Geydon out 63 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: of Oklahoma. On paper, they're similar. They're both big guys. 64 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: They are tall six foot eight. Mims is bigger. Geiten has 65 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: almost more of a basketball build to a certain extent. 66 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: But those two guys, like they both have similar scouting 67 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 2: reports and that the experience is limited based on different factors, 68 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: and but they've got these intangibles, this great size, this 69 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: athleticism that NFL teams can fall in love with. I 70 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 2: think that one of those two will be there. I do. 71 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: I think that one of those two will be there, 72 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: and I think that the Ravens. I think of the two, 73 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: it's probably more likely that Guiden's there, But if a 74 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: team really likes his ability and feels like he could 75 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: be a plug and play guy, and you know, I 76 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: think that maybe he goes first. But I do think 77 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: that one of those two players will be there when 78 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 2: the Ravens around the clock. That's my guest. The other 79 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: one who I'm also going to throw in the mix 80 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: there is Jordan Morgan at Arizona. And now he's not 81 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: necessarily when you read the scouting reports and you read 82 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: the big boards from draft analysts, he's typically below those 83 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: guys in the rankings. But what he does, he doesn't 84 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: have the same size. He's six foot five, three hundred 85 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: and you know, twenty pounds, so he's not six foot eight. 86 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 2: But he was a really good player throughout college, has 87 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 2: been a left tackle in his career, throughout his career, 88 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: a three year starter. So I think that like he 89 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: is a plug and play guy as well. And so 90 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: when you talk about that that shelf there, I think 91 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 2: he's he is in that category where he could come 92 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: in and potentially be a day one starter for you. 93 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is kind of two parts. So hey, 94 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: let's just go through the list here. Joe walt Fashanu, 95 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: jac Latham, Talis Fuaga, Troy Faltanu, those guys are probably 96 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: all long gone, right, And then you get into a 97 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: couple guys who they're good players, probably not at the 98 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: biziz position that the Ravens are necessarily looking for. You 99 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: get into a Graham Barton and a Jackson Powers Johnson. Right, 100 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: and this is where I'm talking about my seven eight 101 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: you know nine, Right, Like Graham Barton played left tackle 102 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: at Duke, but a lot of people will see him 103 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: as as really kind of maybe even possibly a center 104 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: as his best position or guard. Right, this is a guy, 105 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: super athletic, just test it off the charts. But you 106 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: know six ' five, you know, three thirteen, three twenty 107 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: do you see you know, is that guy left tackle, 108 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, that might not be his best fit 109 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: in the NFL. And then Jackson powers Johnson another center, right, So, like, 110 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: if you're the Ravens, you want to see those guys 111 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: get picked. Probably right now, if if Graham Barton was 112 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: sitting there at thirty, maybe they say he's just too good, 113 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: Like we'll take this guy the position flexibility. He can 114 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: play guard, he can play tackle. He's not going to 115 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: play center, I'll tell you that much. But like, you know, 116 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: he's just too good to pass up. So but I 117 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: think in an ideal circumstance, those two guys go to 118 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: teams that are looking for all offensive line, and like 119 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: let's say the Packers, let's say the Cowboys. Some of 120 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: those teams who could draft the center. Eagles, right, they 121 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: could draft the center. You want to see those guys 122 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: get picked ahead of the tackles, in my opinion, if 123 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: you're the Ravens. 124 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that makes sense. And then 125 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: that's you know, like looking at Graham Barton as an example, 126 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: and honestly, I do wonder if the success of Tyler Linderbaum, 127 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 2: the immediate success that he's had, will have any impact 128 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: on other guys other teams saying, you know what, like 129 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: Tyler Lindenbaum, he had some he had some questions about size, 130 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: and you wondered about making that transition because he's, you know, 131 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: an undersized guy and can he play at the NFL 132 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: level and all that stuff that we heard about when 133 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: the Ravens drafted him two years ago and they then 134 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: he's been a plug and play starter at center and 135 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: a pro bowler. So he answered those questions loud and clear. 136 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 2: And so I actually do wonder if there's any element 137 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,679 Speaker 2: of like Graham Barton, what positions is he gonna play? Whatever, size, 138 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: that stuff, and then the team's like, you know what, 139 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: let's just take him. He's a great player, and and 140 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 2: then he ends up going before the Ravens on the clock. 141 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: I feel like big center, he wouldn't be a his 142 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: size for center, but yeah, he the questions hit. The 143 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: questions on his size are as him as a tackle. 144 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: Right right, That's that's more like are like, look at 145 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: how valuable Tyler Linnenbaum became for the Ravens in their offense. Like, yeah, 146 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: I'll invest the first round picking that elate mid to 147 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: late first round pick in the center Tyler Linnenbaum was 148 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: twenty five. The pick is paid off. That's been that's 149 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: been a hit, that's been a home run, and so 150 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: like you kind of want to get those guys picked 151 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: because now, all right, you know, Steelers are another team 152 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: that could certainly pick a tackle, right, Like, the more 153 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: those guys that get picked, the better the chances are 154 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: of the Ravens having one of those two tackles. And 155 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: let's just say Tyler Guitton and Marius Mims fall to them. 156 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: I I I don't have as much faith as you 157 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: do that one of those two guys is going to 158 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: be there. I put it in at like twenty five percent, honestly, 159 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: And so then if that's the case, right, then to 160 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: kind of to your point, it's like, all right, Jordan Morgan, 161 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: you know an interesting tweet this morning that I saw 162 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: Patrick Paul, you know, said, yeah, expect me to go 163 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: late first round like a lot of these mock drafts. 164 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: He's a tackle from Houston, left tackle, Like a lot 165 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: of these mock drafts don't have the board ranked the 166 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: way that teams do. Expect me to go late first round, right, 167 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: And I'm like, all right, Like there seems to be 168 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: some of this last minute chatter seems to be like, oh, 169 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: like there's not a consensus on the tackles some teams 170 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: have some guys. Daniel Jeremiah tweeted about He's like some 171 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: of these tackles that I'm hearing about people putting them 172 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: up in like the first half of the second round 173 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: and there, you know, in top fifty, Like I just 174 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: can't get down with that, you know, like. 175 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: Are you allowing me? It's interesting You're You're a guy's 176 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: hyping up his own draft socket You're like, well, maybe 177 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: that might happen. 178 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: Right, I mean, I mean maybe like he might just 179 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: draft he to he might just be popping himself, right, 180 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: But like I'm not rolling it out, Like there's a 181 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of tackles that are really toolsy in 182 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: this draft, right you look at a Swamatia Patrick Paul 183 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: like checks every box from size, you know, mobility, all 184 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: that stuff. Like you know, Jordan Morgan's another one experienced 185 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: guy like he he can play tackle. He might be 186 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: a better guard, but he can definitely play tackle. Like there, 187 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: I think there could be a range of opinions about 188 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: some of these guys. So it's it's gonna be interesting 189 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: to see how it all kind of shakes down. And 190 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: some people think that Marius Mims might be the last 191 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: of that group taken and if so, yippie for the Ravens. 192 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think if he's there at thirty, 193 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: I think he can make He would make a ton 194 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: of sense. And that could just be a don't overthink it, 195 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: take that pick up and run it in and you 196 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: have a guy who could be a be a plug 197 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: and play starter a tackle. 198 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: I think if some people think some people think like 199 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: he's only a right tackle like that, other guys have 200 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: way more position flexibility than Marius Mims and that so 201 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: that might on top of the lack of experience. 202 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 2: Right, well, then he would come in. He would compete 203 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: with our guy fall A, you know who. By the way, 204 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: if you haven't done yeah, yeah, if you haven't done, 205 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: so go back and check out the podcast we did 206 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: with with Daniel that drop last week. And you know, 207 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 2: if they were to draft to Mims and he's competing 208 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: with uh fo A for that that right tackle job, 209 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: talk about two big boys there competing for a starting job, 210 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 2: you know at the tackle position. You know, I think 211 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: that if what you are predicting comes to fruition, which 212 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: is that these tackles are off the board, well, then 213 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: the Ravens will find themselves in a situation where somebody falls. 214 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 2: Like if it's not a tackle who falls all of 215 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: a sudden, it's like, there's there's eight tackles off the 216 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: board before the Ravens pick. There's gonna be five six, 217 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: maybe quarterbacks who were taken before the Ravens are on 218 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: the board. Of course, some defensive players, Like if if 219 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: all those tackles are gone, then you could find them 220 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: find yourself in a and of just all right, fine, 221 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: really good defensive player has now fallen to us at 222 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: that spot. So like, who would be that guy in 223 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 2: your mind? Like, all the tackles are gone, there's the 224 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: quarterbacks of course are gone. Who is the who are 225 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: the players who you think would be a really good 226 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 2: options then for the Ravens at thirty Yeah. 227 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's tough to figure out, but 228 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: I would a guy that I would hope that would 229 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: mean that could fall would be Cooper de Gene, the 230 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 1: corner safety out of Iowa. And I know what you're 231 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: gonna say, You're you're not kind of as down with 232 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: this pick as I am Garrett, but they're different sizes. 233 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: But in terms of like skill set versatility, sign me 234 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: up for Kyle Hamilton two point zero. I mean, I 235 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: think this guy could be really good and you know, 236 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: physically he did really well with his pro day. He's 237 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: got pick production in college. I think the way the 238 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: Ravens play their secondary with moving pieces around, he's a 239 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: really good fit for that. And so you can still 240 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: play Kyle Hamilton Lion scrimmage, you can play Cooper dejen back, 241 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: you play Cooper Dejine outside. You can look at Brian 242 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: Branch and how good he was for the Detroit Lions 243 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: playing like in the slot, Like that was, you know, 244 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: another kind of safety hybrid coming out of Alabama. Like, 245 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: really good pick for them. Cooper degen if he were 246 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: to slide down to thirty, because all these tackles are going, 247 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: I think that would be a home run pick for 248 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: the Ravens. 249 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you actually on the position. I 250 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 2: think that if the tackles are gone, then I think 251 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: the Ravens are probably going to be staring at a 252 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: corner in the face and that could be Cooper de Gene. 253 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: Who oh, I like, I just you know, the Ravens 254 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: have their jack of all trades Swiss army knife in 255 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 2: the back end, and that's Kyle Hamilton. And I do 256 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: think that like the counters like, well do you have 257 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: too many of him? Well? No, but I think we're 258 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: like I pumped the brakes a little bit by saying, like, 259 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: you just got another Kyle Hamilton. Like KEYL. Hamilton is rare. 260 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 2: He was a fourteenth overall pick, should have gone higher, obviously, 261 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: and like he is, he's a like an incredibly rare 262 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: blend of athleticism and ability, and he can play on 263 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: the line, screams, he can play back all that stuff. 264 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: So I feel like comparing anybody to him is like 265 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 2: I get the cops, but I think that like it's 266 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: a bit a bit unfair. But going back to my 267 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 2: original point on corner is like I do think there 268 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 2: will be a good corner staring them in the face 269 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: if the tackles are gone. And that could be Kuba 270 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: de Gene, It could be kol A, but Kintry out 271 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: of Alabama, it could be Nate Wiggins out of Clemson. 272 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: I think that it's probably one of those three guys 273 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: who you're looking at in that situation. 274 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Kool A would probably be the most 275 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: likely of the ones that you mentioned. I think Nate 276 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: Wiggins is probably is gonna get taken just that speed, 277 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna get scooped up. But Kool 278 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: Aid it wouldn't surprise me. I mean not a he's 279 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: dealing with a foot issue, you know, But here's a 280 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: this is kind of he's kind of been the guy 281 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: that made too much sense that nobody was talking about 282 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: this whole preject process us around Baltimore. It's like, all right, 283 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: this is a really confident, like plays with swagger Alabama 284 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: corner right, who's like just really smooth, just has a 285 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: knack for playing the position. He just he knows what 286 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: he's doing out there, like really good at anticipation all 287 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Like he makes a lot of sense. 288 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, that could certainly be the pick for the 289 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: Ravens that I agree with you. I think if you're 290 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: looking at most likely if it's not a tackle, I 291 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: probably do think it's corner and maybe wide receiver, but 292 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: I would put corner above that. 293 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if it's if it's receiver, the players that 294 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: you're looking at there you're talking about Lati McConkey. You're 295 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: talking about a Donnie Mitchell. 296 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: Maybe Donni Mitchell would be the one that I would 297 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: look at. 298 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, may save you're worthy, you know, depending on how 299 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: you feel about him. Those are the guys that are 300 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: probably in that mix, right, Yeah. 301 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: I mean Donnie Mitchell might be like if he were 302 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: to fall to the Ravens, I mean, he could be 303 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: a top twenty player on their board, you know what 304 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: I mean. Like Eric Takasa said, basically, their strategy when 305 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: you're picking at thirty is you hope and pray that 306 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: somebody from your top twenty gets down there. Could a 307 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: donning bitch'll be that he could you know, he could 308 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: be a top twenty talent in their view. 309 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, let's hang on the receiver conversation here for 310 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: a bit, Like I guess why if he's receivers, it 311 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: goes both ways here where receivers can fly up the board. 312 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: You can see the run the run happened last year. 313 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: The Ravens were right in the middle of the run 314 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: where four straight guys went, and so receivers also starts 315 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 2: to fly off the board. Because it's such a premium position. 316 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: I think teams have seen like the Ravens want to 317 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: restock the receiver position through the draft because receivers are expensive, 318 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: and the Ravens aren't the only team that has that approach. 319 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: A lot of teams want to restock the receiver position 320 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: through the draft, and there's a lot of good ones 321 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: coming out of college. At the same time, teams also 322 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: know you can get some really good receivers throughout the draft, 323 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: and so you could wait, you know, And that's part 324 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: of the conversation as well. Do you wait because you 325 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: think you can get a good one in the second round, 326 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: And so that's all part of the balancing act. But 327 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: if receivers typically go early and looking at a Donnie Mitchell, 328 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: maybe he's a top twenty prospect, I'm having a hard 329 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: time seeing how he would get there to number thirty. 330 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know that 331 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: he's necessarily on a lot of teams board a top 332 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: twenty guy. I'm just saying he could he could be, 333 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, like, I think he certainly could get there 334 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: to thirty. That wouldn't shock me, And I don't I 335 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: agree that the wide receiver depth is there, but it's 336 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: been there for the past two three four years. Like 337 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: every year we're saying this now is the same thing. Yeah, 338 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of good wide receivers coming out, and 339 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: guess what, teams don't wait on them. You know, a 340 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: bunch of them still get first picked in the first round. So, like, 341 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that just because the depth is there. 342 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: The interesting here's the interesting thing that concerning wide receiver depth, 343 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: I think that there's more. I think teams are gonna 344 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: be in a rush to get their first round tackle 345 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: and say, there's a lot of good second round wide receivers. Like, 346 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: if your needs are tackle and receiver, my inclination is 347 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: that teams are gonna run and get that tackle first round, 348 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: and they're gonna wait to get the second round receiver. 349 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: That's every thing's gonna happen. 350 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: If what you're saying comes to fruition, then that doesn't 351 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: really bode well for the rate now because they're drafting 352 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: at the end of both rounds. It does not say, well, 353 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: they probably have to like they probably have to say 354 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: on everybody because if everyone's going tackle, then they may say, 355 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: all right, doll, let's take our first round receiver or 356 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: our first round corner and then in the second round, 357 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: they're all if the receivers are all getting taken, that's 358 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: when you take your. 359 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: Tackle, right. I think it could play out that way 360 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: for Baltimore. That's that's how I think it could. And 361 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: so that's like why I wouldn't be shocked, you know. 362 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: I know we've been saying, oh, Eric Taicassa taking a 363 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: first round wide receiver three times in the past five years. 364 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: You know, would he do it again? I think I 365 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: think he could. Yeah, I think he could, you know, 366 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: Like so yeah, I mean I have I have a 367 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: feeling that those tackles and there's gonna be even teams 368 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: trading up to get tackles. I think Washington's a team 369 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: to watch. They're gonna be trying to move up to 370 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: get a tackle, Like could the Ravens move even trade 371 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: up and try to grab a tackle. I think there's 372 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: gonna be a real run on those tackles. 373 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you could be right. I just I 374 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: think with I think with both Mams and geiten like 375 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 2: neither of them. And this is probably the case every 376 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: year when you're talking about like the sixth, seventh ace 377 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 2: best tackle on the board, but like a lot of talent, 378 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 2: but neither is like a perfect prospect and so, and 379 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: that's why they would be available at the end of 380 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 2: the first round. But I I just don't know that 381 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 2: I see that tackle board. I don't know. I don't 382 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: see it the same way that I see the tackle 383 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: board being pick cling before the Ravens are on the clock. 384 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: I just don't I don't see it playing out that way. 385 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not, maybe not. So what player or position 386 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: do you think like would be the shocker for you? 387 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: I guess I would probably go back to wide receiver, 388 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: Like that would be the most surprising, barring, like you know, 389 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: the true like a shock, like okay, a quarterback that 390 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: would shock me, that would be very shocking. So like 391 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: within within the realm of possibility here, I don't think 392 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 2: that pass rusher like would be a shock at all. 393 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: Chop Robinson if he's there, like, he could certainly be 394 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 2: the pick, and I don't think that would be that surprising. 395 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: Darius Robinson would be another guy I would say that 396 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: that would not shock me. It would be a guy 397 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: that not a lot of people have talked about, but 398 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: like feels like a Ravens type player. Yeah, so like rugged. 399 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 2: Change mm hmmm. So they if they draft an outside linebacker, 400 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 2: pass rusher, like wouldn't wouldn't shock me, corner, would not 401 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 2: shock me. Offensive tackle, we just covered that. It probably 402 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: would be receiver, just because there's more pressing needs on 403 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: the on the team right now. They've taken all these 404 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 2: first three first round receivers and five of er Dacosta's draft, 405 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 2: so they're really gonna go back to that and try 406 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 2: that again this year. So for those reasons, that would 407 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 2: that would surprise me, right, And and then like I 408 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 2: just don't even see if it's not one of those 409 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: four positions, Like I don't see it, Like I don't 410 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 2: unless you're counting Cooper's gen as a safety. But I'm like, 411 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: I don't know what would the other position be. 412 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: I mean, the other one would be like one of 413 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: those defensive tackles, you know, Jison Newton, Johnny Newton or whatever. 414 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that would really surprise. 415 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: Maybe that would be a big surprise. I think that 416 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: to me if we're like, holy cow, it's that like 417 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: the Ravens have moved up to go get one of 418 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: those guys I mean, like a Byron Murphy if I 419 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: mean just speaking about defensive tackles, like if he were 420 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: to somehow slip again, that would be a surprise. But 421 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: like to me, the biggest surprise would be a big trade, 422 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: either up back or trading a player. 423 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I agree. I mean I think the 424 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 2: draft day trades are like the things that make your 425 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 2: like your jaw drop on draft weekend. Also, when you 426 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 2: make a trade, whatever it is, honestly, if it's a 427 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 2: if it's moving up, if it's moving back, if it's 428 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: a player, like when those Draft day trade happens, When 429 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: those trades happen, like it's it's exciting and it's shocking. 430 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: So if the Ravens move up to get a player, 431 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: I think it would be surprising just because that's typically 432 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: not their mo. 433 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: I take a lot of times more likely to go back. 434 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: Like and I guess I should. I should refine my 435 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: statement a little back because if they trade back from thirty, 436 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 2: then would not shock. That would not be a shock, 437 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: and I don't think it would be kind of a 438 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: go of course, yeah they Yeah, if they if they 439 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 2: move back into the second round, it wouldn't be a shock. 440 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: It would just be for a newbody that's stayed up 441 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: late Thursday night. It would just be a disappointment, that's correct, 442 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 2: but it would make it would make for a very 443 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 2: exciting Friday. It would make for a very exciting Friday. 444 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: But it already is an exciting Friday. You know, this 445 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 2: is just me speaking selfishly here, but it already is 446 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: the exciting Friday. So you know, having that pick that 447 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: that Thursday is you know you want that, you want that. 448 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: It's a big womp womp. If you finished Thursday without 449 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: a player, it's a. 450 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 2: Wild So that's why. Actually, the next the next big 451 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: question here is the trade, which we've kind of arrived 452 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: here naturally, Like, how likely do you think it is 453 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 2: that the Ravens trade that thirtieth pick. 454 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: I think that I would probably put it at about 455 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: forty percent. 456 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, now, now break down that percentage more 457 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 2: Which direction are you going with that? 458 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: I would put it more likely back, but I would 459 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: I am certainly not ruling out a move up. You 460 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: know what, you know what, I'm gonna Manker, I'm gonna 461 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: maker this. I'm actually gonna go sixty percent. I'm going 462 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: sixty percent. It's more likely than it's not that they. 463 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: Trade they trade that, and then and then and then 464 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 2: it's more likely that they trade back right up. 465 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, like I just wrote, in fifty words or less, 466 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: I think I think people are not talking enough about 467 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: the possibility that they move up. And the reason that. 468 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: I say that is because Pickwick sides you're on here, buddy. 469 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: Well no, no, I'm just saying, like, I think it's 470 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: more likely back. But like nobody's talking about moving up, 471 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: and I think they should be because if one of 472 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: those if they really want covet one of those top 473 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: offensive tackles, let's say a Mimes, Let's let's uh, you know, 474 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: say a Geiten or a Fashan, who one of those guys, 475 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: let's just say, like they get within striking range. Ericdcosta 476 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: already said that, or Faltanu not for Shana. Eric Tacosta 477 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: already said that, Like, the depth in this year's draft 478 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: is not great, so it would depend on how much 479 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: you have to give up. I don't think he really 480 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: wants to give up like third picks and all that stuff, like, 481 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: but fourth rounders. If you're talking move up a few 482 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: spot and you're giving up an extra fourth rounder, okay, right, 483 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm fine with it, because they have they have an 484 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: obvious need. 485 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean, no, I agree, and I just 486 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: think all that makes sense. You know, having nine picks 487 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 2: in a draft that that Eric said is not that 488 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 2: deep in comparison, there's fewer draftable players compared to other years. 489 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: It seems like a lot of picks. It just seems 490 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 2: like you would want less than that. You know, maybe 491 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 2: you trade picks aim at a pick in the future year, 492 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: maybe you put a package together, or maybe he was 493 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: lying and he actually thinks it's the deepest draft of 494 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: all time, and he's just saying that to throw everybody 495 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: off a sand don't know, really. 496 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: What he's saying is, you know, there's just not as 497 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: many draftable players, and the reason is because there's just 498 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: fewer juniors in this year's draft. Yeah, fewer underclassmen declared. 499 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: Now that's that's really speaking to like six seventh round 500 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: or whatever, that's Day three, late Day three, Like you're 501 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: just not going to have the quality that you would otherwise. 502 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: So it's not like I'm not trying to say, oh, 503 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: a third round pick, fourth round pick is less meaningful 504 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: this year, you know what I mean? Like, that's more 505 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: you're willing to part with Day three picks so I 506 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: don't think that the Ravens are really going to be 507 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: a team that's willing to part with big time ammunition 508 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: to make a big jump up. But if one of 509 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: those tackles is getting into the mid twenties, like, okay, 510 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: what's it take, I'm picking up the phone. 511 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, I think that they at of course, there's 512 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: a lot of factors that go into it. I don't 513 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: really see them moving up. I feel like if all 514 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: of a sudden, I feel like they can just be patient. 515 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: I really just feel like they can be patient. And 516 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: if all of a sudden the tackles do get picked clean, 517 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: then I go back to what we said earlier. Okay, 518 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: now you take a corner who you feel like is 519 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,719 Speaker 2: a is a great player there, and then you're like, man, 520 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 2: and then it's we've seen this tape. You know. It's 521 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah and Melkiper saying on the podcast, how did 522 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 2: this guy get to the Ravens at the end of 523 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: the first round. This is unbelievable. I can't believe the 524 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 2: league that this happened. And so I feel like they 525 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 2: can be patient. I actually only in terms of a trade. 526 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: I'm putting it at twenty percent. I say eighty percent 527 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 2: that the Ravens end up picking at number thirty. I 528 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: think they stick and pick. I just laid out not 529 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: trading up, and in terms of trading back, I've been 530 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: saying this for a few weeks now. I know you 531 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: don't really see it the same way. But I just 532 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: think that that fifth year option that comes with the 533 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 2: rookie contract comes at a value. And so you know, 534 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: when I asked Eric that question at the pre draft 535 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 2: fresh conference, he made the point, if we're giving that up, 536 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,959 Speaker 2: it better come at a premium. So of course he's 537 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 2: you know, he's he's not going to just say, yeah, 538 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: we'll let that pick go for cheap. He's letting everybody 539 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: know that it's going to cost a pretty penny. I 540 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: think that it would, of course, depend on the players 541 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 2: who are there, and if someone's trading up, it would 542 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 2: probably be if the Ravens are going to get what 543 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 2: they want there, It probably, I think would be somebody 544 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 2: coming up to get a quarterback. But I just don't 545 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: really see unless those quarterbacks are there and a team 546 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: wants to trade up, just like the Ravens did five 547 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 2: years ago with Lamar Jackson. I don't know that there's 548 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: gonna be a situation that makes sense, and I don't 549 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 2: know that. I think that the Ravens will value that 550 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 2: rookie contract and I don't see them moving back, and 551 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 2: they have holes to phil. So I think that eighty 552 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 2: percent they stick and pick at number. 553 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: Thirty eighty percent. That's high. 554 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 2: It is high. That is very high. 555 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: Okay, strong, take strong. I think this is more selfishness. 556 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: I think you just want to pick so bad, like 557 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: you were talking about earlier. 558 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's I'm trying to speak it into existence. 559 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: It's exactly right, that's exactly right. Well, you bring up 560 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: the quarterback situation that is always every year a big 561 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: player in this. 562 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, and before we dive into the quarterback, let's take 563 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 2: a quick break and then we'll come down and break 564 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: down that whole quarterback dynamic and how they could impact 565 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 2: the Ravens. You're listening to the last podcast We're coming 566 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: to you from the Sea Geek Studio. We also want 567 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: to give a shout out to our friends at Draft 568 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: Kings Sportsbook. They are an official sports betting partner of 569 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 2: the Ravens. 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All right, 577 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: so the quarterback situation, so just real quick, the first 578 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: four picks are going to be gone well before the 579 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: Ravens are on the clock. And those four first four guys, 580 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 2: that's Caleb Williams, Jake May, Jane Daniels, and JJ McCarthy, 581 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: they're going to be gone. I mean they might be 582 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: the first four picks in the draft. Then the wild 583 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: cards there you have Michael Pannix Junior out of Washington, 584 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: and you have Bo Nix and out of Oregon, and 585 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 2: so you know, do all six of those guys get 586 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: picked before the Ravens are on the clock. Do you 587 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: just see one through four all quarterbacks go off the 588 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: board and then everyone's waiting around. How do you see 589 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: the quarterback situation playing out. 590 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's that's the big question. And I 591 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: think the it's really Nicks and Pennix. Are they gonna 592 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: be already taken before the Ravens are on thirty which 593 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: would be great because that would push two other players 594 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: at positions of potential need down to the Ravens. That 595 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: would be a great scenario. And if they're not taken already, 596 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: then could a team take them trade up with the 597 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: Ravens to take them at number thirty Like the Ravens, 598 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: you know when they got Lamar Jackson, they traded to 599 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: thirty two with the Philadelphia Eagles and got Lamar. Could 600 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: somebody do that, Somebody make a move up like let's 601 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: say the Raiders, let's say the Saints. Those are two 602 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: teams that are in the quarterback market. The if for 603 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: some reason the Patriots didn't take a quarterback at number three, 604 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: they could be a team that would move up. So 605 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: those two players are gonna be, as always, the fascinating 606 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: two fast pieces to watch. The Denver Broncos to me, 607 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: are a real wild card because they need a quarterback 608 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: first of all, and I just saw they just traded 609 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: for Zach Wilson. That does not preclude them from taking 610 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: a quarterback in the first round, let's make that clear. So, 611 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: but they don't have a second round pick, So like 612 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: they're a trade back team, right If they're gonna take 613 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: bow Nicks, most likely they could stick and pick, but 614 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: they're probably gonna trade back. And I think that's a 615 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: big question of whether, like they trade back far enough 616 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: where do they still pick him before the ravensh do 617 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: they trade with another team? My whole trade up scenario 618 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: is kind of based on bo Nicks. I think the 619 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: Chargers might trade him their pick, and then the Ravens 620 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: traded the Chargers to move up, and that's all around 621 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: bow Knicks, And so I think the quarterbacks are just 622 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: a fascinating group to watch. 623 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because I don't know what's better. Is 624 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: it better that Bonnix and Pennix are gone, yes, or 625 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: that one or both is sitting there? And now the 626 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: Ravens have teams that are in the second round. They 627 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: are getting really hungry to come up and get them. 628 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of teams, Like they could go 629 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: up with any number of teams, right, Like, they don't 630 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: have to the Ravens because it's not like the forty 631 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: nine Ers are going to draft a quarterback. No, no, 632 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: they could, but like the Chiefs an't going to draft 633 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: a quarterback at thirty two. No, but all the top 634 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: teams in the second round all already drafted their quarterbacks. 635 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: They don't have to move up there. So like, I 636 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: don't know that those teams, the Raiders, the Saints, those 637 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: teams that might draft a quarterback in the second round 638 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: or consider trading up to the first round, Like if 639 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: there's a ton of incentive to move up. 640 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: There isn't. But all those same teams could be having 641 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 2: the same conversations, the forty nine Ers and the Chiefs 642 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: could be having the same conversations with the same teams. Basically, 643 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 2: they could try to manufacture a bidding war out there 644 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 2: at the end of the first round. If those quarterbacks 645 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: are still on the board, and Eric Tacosta is such 646 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 2: a master at working the board and guessing how this 647 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: thing's going to play out, I do feel like there's potential. 648 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 2: And this would be where edc is, you know, like 649 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 2: kind of in his wheelhouse, where he could go to work, 650 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: and there could be a bit of a bidding war 651 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 2: there if a team wants to move up and well 652 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 2: I'm talking to this other team they're going to trade up, 653 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 2: and they call the forty nine ers and all that 654 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 2: stuff is happening. I feel like that would be a 655 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: very interesting dialogue if those quarterbacks are on the board. 656 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: Generally speaking, it's just simpler, get those guys gone, have 657 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 2: a good player. Faull to you, that's great, that's just 658 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: the best case scenario. And like, but I do feel 659 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: like if these teams are getting quarterback hungry, they're getting 660 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: real nervous thinking about someone else jumping them, and they 661 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 2: don't want to go to sleep Thursday night without getting 662 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: their quarterback, then like you could have a scenario where 663 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: you can have a mini bidding war and then maybe 664 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: get higher value. As we know, you know, Tacasta loves value, 665 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 2: and if he feels like you're gonna he's gonna get 666 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 2: blown away by a pick to move back into that 667 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 2: second round. For a team coming up to get a quarterback, 668 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 2: then like, if you're coming up to get a quarterback, 669 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: you're generally willing to pray pay a premium already, and 670 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 2: so like the Ravens could stand to benefit in that scenario. 671 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's definitely a possible scenario. I think that. 672 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: I think what's gonna be more interesting for the Ravens 673 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: to look out for are teams coming up to either 674 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: trade ahead of them or with them to take a tackle. Now, 675 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: teams are gonna know the Ravens if they have a 676 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: tackle sitting there, the Ravens are probably gonna take them. 677 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: But like again back to my original point, I just 678 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: don't know how the Ravens have these tackles all ranked right, 679 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: like they might think Kingsley's Swamatia is every bit as 680 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: good as Jordan Morgan, who might be as good a 681 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: guard or a better guard as a tackle, right, and 682 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: so like if a team or like whatever they might think, 683 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: Tyler Goyton, like some of these guys are just have 684 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: just as high upside as as Tyler Guyiton, do they 685 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: trade back? I mean, I'm just ESPN's latest mock drafts 686 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: that they released this morning from Jason Reid's has the 687 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 1: Ravens trading back from thirty with the Commanders to take 688 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: Tyler Goyton. The commanders say, Tyler. 689 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 2: See Jason Reid my guy over there, predicting that the 690 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 2: tackles not only on the board of thirty, but then 691 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: he lasts to the second round. 692 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, Jordan Reid bad your guy, Jordan Reid. 693 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan Reid, yes, thank you. 694 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: So Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I just think 695 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 1: that there's the lack of consensus on the tackles. Like yeah, 696 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 1: in the media sense, there's been kind of that continental 697 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: shelf that I talked about, but I'm not so sure 698 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: that that same shelf exists the way we see it 699 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: necessarily on teams boards. 700 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 701 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: The other thing, teams could trade up for a wide receiver, 702 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: like teams want wide receivers. You know, if Donnie sitting there, 703 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: could some team come up and get them, Xavier Worthy, 704 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: Kean Coleman, some team could look move up to get 705 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: one of those guys. 706 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: They could. But when you look at the teams who 707 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 2: are drafting there at the end of the first particularly 708 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 2: the Ravens and the Chiefs, they could also be in 709 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 2: the receiver market, so they may not. 710 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: Be looking to have one if the Chiefs don't have to. 711 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: If the Chiefs are sitting there next and sometime once 712 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: a wide receiver before the before the Chiefs are on 713 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: the board. You know, we got the forty nine ers 714 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: who could take a wide receiver considering the whole brand 715 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: AYUK situation, and we have the Chiefs who could take 716 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: a wide receiver considering the Rashieve Rice and just the 717 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: lack of receivers. 718 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it did. Somebody wants to get. 719 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: A receiver before those teams are on the clock. They 720 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: could certainly call up the Ravens if one of those 721 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 1: guys is still there. 722 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 2: All this trade talk, should I should I amend my 723 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 2: eighty percent prediction? 724 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm making a good case. 725 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 2: All right, so the the you know an interesting factor 726 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 2: that that you pointed out the possibility of doing it 727 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 2: trade with the Chargers. At some point we got this email. 728 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 2: As always you can email us at the lounge at 729 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 2: Ravens dot NFL dot net. This email comes to us 730 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 2: from Barth, who says, could you address this point because 731 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 2: it always bothers me. It's about how it's about teams 732 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 2: hiring our scouts and how it impacts the strategy going 733 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 2: into the draft. Let's take for example, ge Ortiz. He 734 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 2: went to be the GM of the Chargers. He was 735 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 2: very involved in the scouting and draft strategy with the 736 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 2: with the Ravens before leaving, so he has a good 737 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 2: idea of how the players that the Ravens like and 738 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 2: they will be targeting. That's his concern. So how does 739 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 2: that impact the Ravens draft strategy when you have a 740 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 2: situation like this year where Joe Ortiz leaves. Obviously he 741 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 2: was scouting these guys, he has been for years. You know, 742 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 2: he leaves during the off season. Now it becomes the 743 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 2: GM of the Chargers. What impact does that have on 744 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 2: draft strategy? 745 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,760 Speaker 1: Well, you know, Joe Ortis isn't around by the time 746 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: that teams that the Ravens set their board, right, he 747 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: doesn't know the ranking, so you know, he knows which 748 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: players scouts are looking at. And I'm sure there are 749 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: some conversations about some guys, so he might know some 750 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: of the players that the Ravens kind of Oh there's 751 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: a little buzz, like my scout came back and he 752 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: liked that guy, you know what I mean. But he 753 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: doesn't know what Eric DeCosta is thinking exactly. And I'm 754 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: sure Eric Acosta also knew of the possibility that Joe 755 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: Ortiz could get a job, and so like there's some 756 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: strategery there. 757 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 2: You know, they were they were having they were having 758 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 2: meetings back in November. Draft meetings George is coming by, 759 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 2: like na, na, Joe's coming by. No, you gotta sit 760 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 2: this one out. 761 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that, but you know, like 762 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 1: once the season ends, a it starts to move pretty quickly, right, Yeah, 763 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: so it really And Eric DeCosta is not in like 764 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: heavy draft meetings during the season. Yeah, right, so that 765 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: stuff is all kind of being done within the scouting department. 766 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: And and Joe Ortiz is of course a part of that. 767 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: So he's like hearing probably who scouts like and who 768 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: stood out, but he doesn't know the board. And it's 769 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: easy to like players right, Like, but until you hear 770 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: from Eric Takosta what the board, how the board is set, 771 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: you don't have a ton of information. 772 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you're limited, and you're you're dealing with you're 773 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 2: really dealing with partial information, which to some extent means 774 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 2: like you're dealing with no information. But but I do 775 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 2: think like where it could come into play is, you know, 776 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 2: using the we talked about this earlier, like the Adnnie 777 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 2: Mitchell example. If he's there for the Ravens at that 778 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 2: spot at thirty and it's like, oh, the Joe's like, 779 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 2: I know that the Ravens love this guy. I know it, 780 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 2: no doubt, like he was their guy, and so like 781 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 2: that's where it could come into come into play or 782 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 2: one of the tackles. I know that they love Guiden 783 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 2: or they love Mems. Like you may have that knowledge, 784 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 2: but you also to your point, like you don't know 785 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 2: what calls DaCosta is getting to trade up or to 786 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,919 Speaker 2: trade all of that stuff is like you're you're dealing 787 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 2: with the incomplete information. I do think like for one 788 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 2: year it has probably some level of impact. I don't 789 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 2: think it's like totally draft strategy changing, but I think 790 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 2: that there's naturally some impact and knowledge that exists. And 791 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 2: then like moving forward from there, then you just from 792 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 2: from a strategy and a philosophy standpoint, like you have 793 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 2: an understanding of the types of players that they like. 794 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 2: On the same token, the Ravens have that same information 795 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 2: in theory about Joe and the Chargers, Like you know, 796 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 2: if there's a player on the board like and and 797 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 2: the Ravens are looking at how things are playing out, 798 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,720 Speaker 2: they could certainly say, I know that Joe loves whoever 799 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 2: and that they're gonna take this guy because Joe was 800 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 2: all about this guy. So I think it probably cuts 801 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 2: both ways. It's you know, it's similar to when coaches leave. 802 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 2: The difference is that, like it's a much tighter turnaround. 803 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 2: It's the off season, you know, a few month gap 804 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 2: rather than an entire year in some situations for the 805 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 2: coaches before you have to play a team again. But 806 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 2: so yeah, I think it's a good question though, Barth, 807 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 2: really really good. 808 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: We had another question come in here real quick, Garrett. 809 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 1: This one's from Jordan Fitchett. This one came in while 810 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,439 Speaker 1: we're recording here, so. 811 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,720 Speaker 2: Nice, good time and timing is everything. 812 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: Yes, he says for the positions of need for depth 813 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: in the future that no one is talking about linebacker, safety, 814 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: and running back, who would you guys stand on the 815 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: table for going back to George Conkin's interview here, or 816 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 1: be happy that the Ravens got them at any point 817 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: in the drafts. So do you have any guys, Garrett? 818 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: Have you done your your deep dive into those positions. 819 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 2: I honestly, I don't have a guy at any of 820 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 2: those positions that I'm like, that is the the safety 821 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,439 Speaker 2: in the sixth round. Who I would stand on the table. 822 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: I got my guys, I got my guys you're. 823 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 2: Gonna change, Do you worry? 824 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: Don't you worry? 825 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 2: Nah My, I have them when I finalized my seven 826 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 2: round mock to okay tomorrow. 827 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah all right, all right, we'll see here. But now 828 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,240 Speaker 1: I'm putting my flagging, so don't take my guys. Okay. 829 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: So I the safety is Malik Mustafa from Wake Forest. 830 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,240 Speaker 1: This dude's the best tackling defensive back in the draft. 831 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: He's a tank. Not just like I'm not talking like 832 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: highlight like just blowing people up, but this dude is 833 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: just a really good tackler. And I think, I think 834 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: if you're looking for kind of that box, you know, 835 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 1: guy that can come down and hit hard, good and 836 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: run defense all that stuff, like, yeah, that's that's my guy. Now, 837 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: Gino was more of a free safety, you know, he 838 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: was interceptions ballhawking kind of guy. But I like, I 839 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: like Malik Mustafa. I think he's got something, all right, 840 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,320 Speaker 1: And then I'll give my my running back here. Uh 841 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: So my running back that I like is Trey Benson 842 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: from Florida State. And he might he might go a 843 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: little earlier than you want. He probably would, but the 844 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: speed on this dude in the frame that he has 845 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 1: he's kind of a bigger guy six one, three and 846 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: and he he can move. I think Trey Bens is 847 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: gonna be pretty good. 848 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 2: They just they just run it back with like the 849 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 2: big running back, Gus Bus of course, Derrick Henry just 850 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 2: the big running back. 851 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: He's not quite Gus Territory. 852 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 2: He's not that six, you know, he's not quite Gus 853 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 2: Territory or Derek Henry. But that's that's a big back. 854 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but that's a big back. 855 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 2: So, as I mentioned, tomorrow, we're gonna drop our full 856 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 2: seven round mocks, so we're gonna dive into some more 857 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 2: of these these conversations and the details around that. And 858 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 2: then also coming up on Thursday, we're gonna do a 859 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 2: live episode of the podcast, which is going to air 860 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 2: at seven thirty pm coming up Thursday night. You'll be 861 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 2: able to watch that on our app, our website, uh, 862 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 2: and our YouTube channel. We're doing that at ah at 863 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 2: a draft party that we're having for PSL owners, a 864 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 2: select number of PSL owners who got tickets to that. Uh. 865 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 2: You know, we've got all that construction going on at 866 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 2: the stadium this year as we're as we're getting that 867 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 2: in place for the season so we couldn't do a 868 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 2: big draft party at the stadium like we've done in 869 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 2: past years. That'll be back in the future, but so 870 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,720 Speaker 2: it's a smaller draft party for some select PSL owners, 871 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 2: but anybody can watch the podcast, so we're gonna do 872 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 2: kind of set the table for everybody. Tune into us 873 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 2: seven point thirty Thursday night again. You can watch that 874 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 2: on our app, our website, our YouTube channel, and we're 875 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 2: gonna get you just set the table for what's about 876 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 2: to unfold Thursday night. So it's a fun week. We 877 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 2: can't wait for everything that's in store over the next 878 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 2: couple of days. But thank you for listening and we 879 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 2: will talk with you again soon