WEBVTT - The Cray of Ye

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<v Speaker 1>You are now listening and waiting on reparations A production

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<v Speaker 1>of I Heart Radio. Yeah it's waiting. Uh, it's way now,

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<v Speaker 1>yell yo, Knife is the illness. Don't matter any state

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in. I'm wrought like an uncut gym. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the way I win. Wrappers acting FRONTI for money, So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't play with them. Your favorite rappers out here

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<v Speaker 1>making America great again. But I just played a winning

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<v Speaker 1>focus on the state I'm in. Staying Tim still told

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<v Speaker 1>Boots time to break him in hearing through the wire.

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<v Speaker 1>I was steering through the fire. I was focused on myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm appear that you admire Dope Knife Lingua Franca. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be preaching of the choirs, waiting on reparations. Now the

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<v Speaker 1>booth can retire. Nigger take chords, swing swords like a showgun.

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all fair, Now, all hail to the dope one ye yea.

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<v Speaker 1>Waiting on reprobations, yea, wait in reprobations. Hey, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's good. I'm dope knife Franca and we are

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<v Speaker 1>waiting on reparation. Well, what good? What's good with you? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I started to ask you first. I ask you first.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good. I'm good, Like I I you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>studio thing I've been talking about like the last month,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm finally finally like done, you know, fully getting

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<v Speaker 1>that it's been It's been really it's been rough. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why it's been so slow, but it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one day I'll move a desk in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I won't go back there for like another

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<v Speaker 1>like week, and then you know, but finally I've got

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<v Speaker 1>like all the stuff in there, so it's good to go.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good to start using it and finally start recording

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<v Speaker 1>at my prolific MC pace that I I once had

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<v Speaker 1>going what about you? How was your week? Oh? Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting prepared for that Afroman show that August eleventh

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<v Speaker 1>at Victory North and Savannah, Georgia. So yeah, that's like

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much preoccupying like every aspect of stuff right now.

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<v Speaker 1>What about you? Yeah, I mean important thing, I hope. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm back on my commission grind. We had

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<v Speaker 1>our first in person meeting at City Hall last Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>first in person meeting in a year and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what, actually felt good to be back.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I would be like resentful that I can't

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<v Speaker 1>hang out with like no pants on on camp, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on the camera, eating snacks, taking you know, turning my

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<v Speaker 1>camera off so and go pee mid meeting. But actually

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<v Speaker 1>it was really nice being back there with my colleagues.

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<v Speaker 1>Um sinse of like more of a human element. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really easy to just hate these bitches sometimes when even

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<v Speaker 1>here it's just like, yeah, they're like cameras aren't even

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<v Speaker 1>all you don't even know if they're in the meeting

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<v Speaker 1>and ship, but it's like, oh, they're there, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you, oh, I like your raincoat and you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Just banned this basic banter to bring people together to

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<v Speaker 1>remember that we made different. Yeah, we may different ideologically

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<v Speaker 1>or like in how we move through this political um sphere,

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<v Speaker 1>but like we're people. You know, It's it's kind of nice.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of nice. It's not gonna lie, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all that's going on on this end. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all people with our with our flaws and our quirks.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of people with flaws and quirks, Oh boy, Sir,

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<v Speaker 1>Kanye West is back in the news again, and this

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<v Speaker 1>week we're gonna talk about Kanye West again, talk about

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<v Speaker 1>ye we unpacking some of his his headline making political

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<v Speaker 1>stances old because some of his old controversies, and then

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<v Speaker 1>during a Delbo's well into his discography which has interesting

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<v Speaker 1>um implications for politics as well. So just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>before we dive into the episode and stuff, just what

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<v Speaker 1>are your general I don't even want to say thoughts,

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<v Speaker 1>what was your general reaction to like this new resurgence

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<v Speaker 1>and Kanye's popularity during this album cycle for this album

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<v Speaker 1>Donda He's got coming out. I mean, well, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even call it a resurgence because as I as I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of looked into his recent musical history, his musical

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<v Speaker 1>output has really ramped up over the last decade. Where

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<v Speaker 1>it went from you know, a couple of years between albums,

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<v Speaker 1>so like we're consistently getting one every two years every year,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know back in fum with that too, when

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<v Speaker 1>did you do NASA's album? Shoot on the subject, so

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<v Speaker 1>back to you know, like producing four or five albums

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<v Speaker 1>in a single year. Yeah, he didn't push ther tease

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<v Speaker 1>album and then NASA's album. Yeah, him and Kid Cutty

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<v Speaker 1>did a project, didn't there. I think that ghosts in

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<v Speaker 1>that period, I think yeah, And so I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder to a degree it does impact the quality. As

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<v Speaker 1>an old Kanye, a lover of ole Kanye, as many

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<v Speaker 1>of us are, you know, I just don't feel as

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<v Speaker 1>inspired by some of the newer material. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>some of that's like influenced by some of how your

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<v Speaker 1>reaction to his personal antics and stuff like that that

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<v Speaker 1>is affecting how you're taking in the music, or do

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<v Speaker 1>you think the music itself has dropped in quality at

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<v Speaker 1>least become different. I'm far more inclined to give someone's

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<v Speaker 1>music a chance if I think they're a cool and

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<v Speaker 1>good person for sure. Um, and so uh hardst like

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<v Speaker 1>you said some black ship, bra, I don't really. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>on the flip side, I have not canceled Connie entirely

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<v Speaker 1>from my discography and from my like you know, playlist rotations. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think on account of the things he said either.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just that I obviously got his music just because

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<v Speaker 1>it's on a different tip than it used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I don't want to really encourage this ship. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I totally agree with you. I don't think Kanye's,

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<v Speaker 1>at least not to this point, has done anything that

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<v Speaker 1>like makes what you thought of his older stuff or

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<v Speaker 1>how you even just interpreted it any different. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. To me there as somebody who's never necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>been like a Kanye fan, I have noticed like a

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<v Speaker 1>change stylistically or like an approach to music making that

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<v Speaker 1>that seems like it's gotten different over the years. That first,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you hope? You know if you if an

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<v Speaker 1>artist stays making the same sounding music for twenty years,

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<v Speaker 1>like are they really growing as an artists? Are they

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<v Speaker 1>really like pushing themselves? Are they really like like hitting

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<v Speaker 1>their creative like peak? And if you don't enjoy the

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<v Speaker 1>new music that's coming out that is changing at all

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<v Speaker 1>of growth? Yea agree, it's just who is that growth for?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you know what I mean? Like I have

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<v Speaker 1>a feeling that if I if I were like an

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<v Speaker 1>NBA player, or if I like hit it big and

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<v Speaker 1>like the Bitcoin stock, if I was like a young

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<v Speaker 1>rich person, Yeah, I feel like I would really really

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoy likes to say it is music, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean? But um, we're gonna we're gonna jump

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<v Speaker 1>into that and more because I mean, we both got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to say on this, and we also got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to cover. So we're gonna get into all

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<v Speaker 1>this Kanye madness after the job, after the job. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>returned to Atlanta last week, the place of his birth

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<v Speaker 1>and how the listening party last Thursday for US new

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<v Speaker 1>but partially unfinished forthcoming album Donda at the Mercedes beIN Stadium. U.

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<v Speaker 1>There's about forty thousand fans in attendance, which I with

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<v Speaker 1>the Delta, Barian and everything the people all got the

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<v Speaker 1>Delta makes me kind of held nervous. But an addition

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, they crammed for UK people in there

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<v Speaker 1>to experience the album five. The event was also streamed

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<v Speaker 1>exclusively on Apple Music and is said to have broken

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<v Speaker 1>the record for Apple Music live stream with three point

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<v Speaker 1>three million people across the world tuned in to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the new album. Um, that's before Yeah, It's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>That same evening, the Atlanta City Council issued a proclamation

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<v Speaker 1>honoring Kanye West with the citywide holiday in his name,

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<v Speaker 1>Kanye West Day. They call it. That's right. July is

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<v Speaker 1>now officially Kanye West Day in Atlanta. I want that

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<v Speaker 1>to I want that to sink in. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>sink in and marinate just for a second now, This

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<v Speaker 1>was presented by the city councilor for the District five,

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<v Speaker 1>Nataline Archibong, Nataline Archibald, who is currently running for a

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<v Speaker 1>city council president. And she probably thought this was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be like a doll all know, we're proclaimed a lot

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two Kanye West day. I'll get a great photo

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<v Speaker 1>op with Kanye. Put it on my campaign you know

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<v Speaker 1>card or whatever, and uh, you know, and boost my

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<v Speaker 1>and boost my you know, my standing in the district.

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<v Speaker 1>Little did she know at a time that Kanye would

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<v Speaker 1>be wearing pantyhose over his head and face for the

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<v Speaker 1>events duration. And so the photos of them together, of him,

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<v Speaker 1>of her, of delivering the proclamation to Kanye, he looks

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<v Speaker 1>like he just either has some kids in the back

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<v Speaker 1>of his vand or sold some gold bars from a

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<v Speaker 1>Swiss bank, So it's bad. He was recently at something

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<v Speaker 1>in um in Paris with a little baby and the

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<v Speaker 1>basketball player James Harden and there was a picture take

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<v Speaker 1>of of them all like all sitting together and He's

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<v Speaker 1>got the mask on over his head and little baby

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<v Speaker 1>and James Hardener just looking at him like, Yo, what

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<v Speaker 1>the fund is even going on right now? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like this whole thing, and that's I

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<v Speaker 1>guess why I was saying, like resurgence and popularity. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that was a wrong way to phrase it, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like he's ever lost the popularity, not necessarily,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just like, you know, if you if a

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<v Speaker 1>hip hop artist can't at least see any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a hit after like Kanye's run the last like three years,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, then I think we're at

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<v Speaker 1>the point where, like if an artist like establishes enough

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<v Speaker 1>of a of a fan base that they're pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>bulletproof to any everything. And I'm not I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about like canceling, you know what I mean. But it

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<v Speaker 1>just seems like even people who were like, oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like the Kanye did that, or I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like the Kanye said that, like right now, we're like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, I can't wait for this album, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. So it's almost like his career is bulletproof,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. At this point, I guess I really don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what he can do. I really know what you

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<v Speaker 1>could possibly do, and we're obviously going to get into

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<v Speaker 1>what he's done, but yeah, I can't at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't think of it really like, yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>these people are all in the tank. So Dr Kevin James,

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<v Speaker 1>the president of Morris Brown College, private Methodist, historically black

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<v Speaker 1>liberal arts college in Atlanta, Georgia, also presented West with

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<v Speaker 1>the Merritt how do you say that? Marrit? He also

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<v Speaker 1>awarded Kanye West with a Meritorious Service Award for his mother,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Donda West. His mother, so he said, doctor Donda

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<v Speaker 1>West started her career at Morris Brown College as a

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<v Speaker 1>professor and eventual and eventual department Chair of English. We

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to convey the utmost respect that we have for

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<v Speaker 1>his mother's legacy. So in addition to I didn't know,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, I didn't know that Kanye was born

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<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta. I also didn't know that his mother was

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<v Speaker 1>the department of the chair of English at like an HBCUM.

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<v Speaker 1>Which makes sense because I mean, something that was so

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<v Speaker 1>iconic about Kandye when he made his breakthrough was his

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<v Speaker 1>like aesthetic that he broke away from, like the gangs,

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<v Speaker 1>that the life kind of thing, and like learning more

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<v Speaker 1>and more about his history, it's like, well that's just

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<v Speaker 1>like authentically, wasn't him like he was kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>a middle class ass dude, and like was just like

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<v Speaker 1>that's a I guess like normalized like that as a

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<v Speaker 1>way to be black. That is fine to be you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. I guess that's what makes me

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<v Speaker 1>wonder about like Kanya is because like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>his early a lot of his early stuff, like his

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<v Speaker 1>early aesthetic very much was like steeped in that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like no nonsense, unapologetically black, Like I don't funk

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<v Speaker 1>with you know, I don't funk with the bullshit type

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<v Speaker 1>of ship. And it's just like I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like if I were like a Kanye West fan

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<v Speaker 1>like that, because like like I said, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>like his whole discography, I don't I don't know like

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<v Speaker 1>all of the classic lines from all of the Kanye

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<v Speaker 1>songs and stuff like that. Like, but it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>everything about him is kind of has to be called

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<v Speaker 1>into question now, doesn't it, Like did you mean? Like

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of have to reassess like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>like past statements. It's like did he really mean that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like did like what was really behind him saying George W.

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<v Speaker 1>Bush doesn't care about black people and snl if like

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<v Speaker 1>we see what he's doing. Now, I see what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I see what you're saying. And it's so funny because

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<v Speaker 1>like you're like, oh, like you're posting the question and

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<v Speaker 1>also saying like if I had at that level of investment,

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<v Speaker 1>I would like want to that like in trogate that

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<v Speaker 1>and then my end as like a somewhat Kanye fan,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, maybe I can answer this one. Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>no one can. No one can't because I actually don't

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<v Speaker 1>care that much. Yeah, I don't care as much as

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<v Speaker 1>I surprisingly as I thought I might try. Yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really. I'm not really gonna read into it's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole great deal. You gonna be real with him.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, so you know, he was awarded and accolades

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<v Speaker 1>both from the academic community in Atlanta as well as

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<v Speaker 1>the UM City Council, which I find hilarious. Um, in

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming weeks or I guess when I go away for

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<v Speaker 1>for a little bit later, uh, you know, like September. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I got some episodes stockpile for you. Also, I had

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<v Speaker 1>an interview with someone who's in Atlanta politics that uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to share and so just like always, it's

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<v Speaker 1>always like a spectator of Atlanta politics. It's just hilarious

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<v Speaker 1>to see the city council just do some weird random

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<v Speaker 1>like silly ship like this, like call it naming it.

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<v Speaker 1>Kanye West is pandering to super rich people. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>very very on brand for them. So addition all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know happening around his um his listening party last Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>Kanye West is now a part of living in Mercedes

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<v Speaker 1>Benz Stadium. Um Vans took to social media on Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>with photos of a man at the Atlanted United game

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<v Speaker 1>who were who was dressed in the same outfit that

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<v Speaker 1>West dawned at his Thursday listening party, face camouflaged and

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<v Speaker 1>panty pose and in videos from the game of this individual,

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<v Speaker 1>the man who should escorted around the stadium with a

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<v Speaker 1>large security detail and seemingly responds, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like waves and looks up when fans called out like Kanye,

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<v Speaker 1>Kanye Kanye. So it could be a weird hoax, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm inclined to believe it was really him, And increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>reports are confirming that Kanye and his team have created

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<v Speaker 1>a studio space, a living quarters, and even have a

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<v Speaker 1>chef um on call to prepare his meals inside the Mercedes.

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<v Speaker 1>Benz is definitely not a hoax. It's real. At first,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, maybe some guy just dressed up like

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<v Speaker 1>him and went to the Atlanta United game to be funny,

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<v Speaker 1>But like it's increasingly seeming like, no, this is actually

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<v Speaker 1>this is the man. I saw a video on YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>of Kanye West and Jay Z recording the Watch the

0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Thrones album in a fucking castle in Australia with Russell

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<v Speaker 1>Crowe sitting in the background. Watch it, Like, trust me,

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<v Speaker 1>this Nick is living in the best state. He's all

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<v Speaker 1>the way up in there. Yeah, just to recap Sims,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you've got some of these city officials kind

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<v Speaker 1>of attaching themselves to Kanye West with all the accolades

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. Let's just do a little quick stroll down

0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.760
<v Speaker 1>memory lane, so like, you know, like seven months ago

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<v Speaker 1>and ship about like what Kanye's political involvement has been

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<v Speaker 1>as of late months, removed from Kanye having a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of kind of presidential campaign that was filled to the

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<v Speaker 1>brim with GOP operatives who were making albeit stupid and

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<v Speaker 1>misguided or whatever, but on their front, a genuine earnest

0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.680
<v Speaker 1>attempt to shave the margins of election in favor of

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump. We all remember the at this point infamous

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<v Speaker 1>Oval Office visit that. I mean, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>shocking and driving going on. This is all I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say in that Oval Office visit. What else We've got

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<v Speaker 1>him championing Candice Owison's Blexit strategy or in other words,

0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:25.520
<v Speaker 1>her imaginary plan for African Americans to make a large

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<v Speaker 1>exodus not just from the Democrat Party but into the

0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Republican Party and voting for Trump. In his advocating for

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<v Speaker 1>this whole Blexic thing earned him the praise of Alex Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to read that Alex Jones quote. Oh God,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing would make me more happy. I just assumed he

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<v Speaker 1>was a Democrat and a globalist, says Alex. Said Alex Jones,

0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.080
<v Speaker 1>He's has a lot of courage, and he's a maverick.

0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Connie West has got talent, you name it. I apologized

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<v Speaker 1>to him for being ignorant myself. See Alex Jones also

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<v Speaker 1>later on. But they would have like Alex Jones and

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya West in the club. I would I would pay

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<v Speaker 1>I would pay money to be near that, not too

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<v Speaker 1>near like just kind of like close enough to like

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<v Speaker 1>binocular distance. Kanye West, Kandy host with shirtless Alex Jones

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<v Speaker 1>next to them in the club. Hell yeah, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I would pay to be like just an close enough

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<v Speaker 1>to just see but not physically you know, be at

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<v Speaker 1>risk of physical harm. This is the same Alex Jones

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<v Speaker 1>who just recently said that there's genetic differences between the

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence of on racial groups and obviously he believes that

0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:41.119
<v Speaker 1>on average, white people are genetically smarter. That that's the

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<v Speaker 1>same Alex Jones that you know. Kanye West is getting

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<v Speaker 1>praise from great transformer campaign manager and editor right wing

0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.600
<v Speaker 1>and news site Breitbart, even express wanting to bring West

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<v Speaker 1>on as a columnist after his slavery comments that we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to get into a little bit later. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's Kanye's people for you. You got owns bright Bart

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<v Speaker 1>news editors, former campaign staff or Trump sort of freaks

0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:12.200
<v Speaker 1>and goblins, Canda Zens fucking freaky ass yo. Nothing that

0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.800
<v Speaker 1>made me sadder though. Let's okay, quick detour on Candace Owens.

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<v Speaker 1>I was seeing on Twitter. It was this was a

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<v Speaker 1>while ago, but she like posted pictures of her baby right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know, and her fan base like who she

0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:32.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, she thrives off of like feeding invalidating people's racism.

0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Like in the comments, so many people were like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's unfortunate that you have like a you know, on

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<v Speaker 1>unpure blood or like whatever sort of like because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a mixed race child. It's like, oh, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it sucks the way that like MUDs turn out and

0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:53.080
<v Speaker 1>like saying like people who like, you know, follow her

0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.119
<v Speaker 1>because they like love her work because she is a

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<v Speaker 1>racist being racist about her baby in the comments on

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<v Speaker 1>her so because they're racist. And I was just like wow,

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<v Speaker 1>to be that in the sunken place that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how she even psychologically just manages to live through

0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:14.440
<v Speaker 1>what she has done. But that's the thing for like

0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.399
<v Speaker 1>those uh, token right wingers and stuff like that. If

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<v Speaker 1>you look through if you look through their comments sections,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all like that. Like Candice Osen's comments section is

0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.080
<v Speaker 1>like that where it's like, oh, like, yeah, you know,

0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.080
<v Speaker 1>your fans are all racist and don't really like you,

0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.359
<v Speaker 1>you're just spreading propaganda. You look on Blair White's comments section,

0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.840
<v Speaker 1>there's bad transpobs in there. Ben Shapiro always has like

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis that hate him because He's Jewish and his comment

0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.680
<v Speaker 1>section it's like reaping with you so type of ship.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're grifters at the end of the day, so

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<v Speaker 1>they don't care, you know what I mean, to sell

0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:46.040
<v Speaker 1>yourself to that degree, I mean, I understand to do

0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.639
<v Speaker 1>it for the money or whatever, but to subject yourself

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<v Speaker 1>to that like level of not from people that disagree

0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:56.280
<v Speaker 1>with you, but for the people that support you like shit, bro.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so Owen's rare breed of black person dollar

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<v Speaker 1>dollar bills. So we're gonna get into some of Kanye

0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:10.320
<v Speaker 1>West's most ridiculous statements in and antics and the political

0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:19.440
<v Speaker 1>spectrum right after the joke. So we're back, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know where we should start, but I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we could start. He's been just doing wild ship for years,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's been coming. I feel like it's becoming increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>poltical in recent years. I mean, perhaps everything has become

0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.800
<v Speaker 1>more politicized, um in the Trump and post trump eras.

0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he did you know he did the basics

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<v Speaker 1>share with like the Taylor Swift thing that other controversies.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was like regular celebrity bullshit before, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, And now it's like, yeah, now

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<v Speaker 1>he's up. So okay, let's start with the time that

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<v Speaker 1>Kanye said that slavery was a choice and his interview

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<v Speaker 1>with Charlotte Mae and the God so Um. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>when you hear about slavery for four years, for four

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<v Speaker 1>new years, that's look a choice. He said, Um, you

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<v Speaker 1>were there for four years and it's all of y'all.

0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:11.440
<v Speaker 1>It's like we're mentally imprisoned. He later unclarified, of course,

0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I know that slaves did not get shackled and put

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<v Speaker 1>on a boat by free will. My point is that

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<v Speaker 1>my point is for us to have stayed in that position,

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<v Speaker 1>even though the numbers were on our side, means that

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<v Speaker 1>we are mentally enslaved. Would you know what, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>even gonna like, okay, hear me out. I feel like

0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Conny has a point in that we are previously on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Listen here, just hear me. On previous almost

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<v Speaker 1>I've discussed like the Haitian revolution um and things like that,

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<v Speaker 1>where the numbers were on the side of the slaves

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<v Speaker 1>and they rose up and like ended slavery. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's not a historically unprecedented act. I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna go so far as to blame slaves

0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:56.920
<v Speaker 1>for slavery, like, oh, you know, they're mentally enslaved. It's

0:22:56.920 --> 0:23:01.040
<v Speaker 1>their fault that has happened, you know. But like the point,

0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:03.199
<v Speaker 1>the point that he's making that like the numbers were

0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:07.159
<v Speaker 1>on our side and like slaves, like I mean, there

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.560
<v Speaker 1>was like Nat Turner's rebellion, there were various you know,

0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:13.280
<v Speaker 1>smaller slave rebellions that got squashed. But like it is

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:18.479
<v Speaker 1>kind of surprising that like it we never never managed

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<v Speaker 1>to pop off here the way it did in place.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Ja make our Haiti, where people were just like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not having it and they just kind of ended

0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the institution of slavery by force. Well, I mean, I

0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:31.600
<v Speaker 1>think it probably would have had to have been just

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<v Speaker 1>on a larger scale than it ever was able to

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:36.520
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, than was ever able to

0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:40.119
<v Speaker 1>happen for it to really pop off. But regardless of

0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:42.680
<v Speaker 1>the point, because I I hear the point that you're making,

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<v Speaker 1>my issue is just Kanye West is like a multi

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million dollar Cuban being. So he's got handlers and

0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.240
<v Speaker 1>people and he himself, I don't even want to not

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:59.200
<v Speaker 1>give him credit. He himself is a savvy, you know,

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:05.160
<v Speaker 1>media navigator and stuff like that. Kanye West knows full

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:08.760
<v Speaker 1>and damn well that the amount of people who heard

0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:14.639
<v Speaker 1>that clarification and that nuanced explanations pales in comparison to

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the amount of people that heard him say for hundred

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 1>years slavery. That sounds like a choice. He didn't say

0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:23.400
<v Speaker 1>the second one first. Yeah, you know, so like I hear,

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I hear it. I get the point. But if that's

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:27.760
<v Speaker 1>what we were talking about, then I would be able

0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:29.680
<v Speaker 1>to be here, to be here and say, man, I

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:32.200
<v Speaker 1>think people are being kind of unfair to Kanye because

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<v Speaker 1>if you listen to what he was saying, he was

0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.359
<v Speaker 1>really saying. That's not what he said though, And like

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:38.600
<v Speaker 1>I saw the interview, he could have said all of

0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:41.440
<v Speaker 1>that ship and yeah, yeah, I mean I wanted to

0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:43.879
<v Speaker 1>a degree. It was that he continued to think about

0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 1>it and think about how he could make it sounded better,

0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.880
<v Speaker 1>better because the backlash, because the backlash and came back

0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 1>with something that was like halfway imaginable. I was like, Okay, yeah,

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 1>the numbers were on our side. It's shocking there wasn't

0:24:57.080 --> 0:25:01.600
<v Speaker 1>a slave uprising broad enough to end the institution of

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 1>slavery the United States at any point, um, but these

0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 1>things they have to work in like, you know, it

0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 1>can't be like taken in a vacuum. Kanye West making

0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:19.680
<v Speaker 1>these statements on their own is one thing. Kanye West

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:24.560
<v Speaker 1>making these statements on is like, and then also fucking

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:28.160
<v Speaker 1>with Candice Owens and then also like two years later

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:30.680
<v Speaker 1>doing the ship with the GOP Like, all of it

0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:34.200
<v Speaker 1>together just paints like are really kind of like fucked

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:36.920
<v Speaker 1>up picture to me, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>And ultimately, I mean with some of the other things

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.240
<v Speaker 1>that we're gonna discuss today as we move on to

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, look at some of what he said during

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:46.160
<v Speaker 1>its presidential campaign, Like if you take it, I guess

0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:49.159
<v Speaker 1>out of the political context in which we know Kanye

0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:52.160
<v Speaker 1>to be operating, He's fucking what Trump people is hanging

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 1>out with candacel Ones and Ox Jones. If you just

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:56.720
<v Speaker 1>like look at face value at some of the things

0:25:56.840 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 1>he said, it's not as crazy as it it could seem.

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<v Speaker 1>But once you like look at it through the lens

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:09.400
<v Speaker 1>of oh you are you like we're a maga hat

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:13.320
<v Speaker 1>and white supremacist and ship like they're it's it's it's uh,

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:18.680
<v Speaker 1>it's impossible to divorce it from that ideology like you

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 1>have you know. But so like you heard about you

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:24.679
<v Speaker 1>heard about the ship that they're trying to pass in Texas, right,

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:29.280
<v Speaker 1>which what and what now the anti critical race theory

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.440
<v Speaker 1>ship where it's like, oh, you can't teach the I

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>have a dream speech, and you can't talk about Native

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:38.399
<v Speaker 1>American genocide. You can't like slavery, can say the KKK

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:41.040
<v Speaker 1>was bad exactly. You can't more like make a moral

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:44.359
<v Speaker 1>judgment on like white supremacy and stuff like that. We

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:46.600
<v Speaker 1>might not know this now, we might not know it

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:50.000
<v Speaker 1>ten years from now. Somebody way smarter than me will

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:53.200
<v Speaker 1>have to analyze it and find out how incrementally these

0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 1>things affected it. But there's a ton of right wingers

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:03.680
<v Speaker 1>who like, oh word a famous rich black eye reinforce

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.920
<v Speaker 1>some some like things that I wanted to believe and

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 1>said that slavery was a choice. Yeah, that ship trickles

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:13.359
<v Speaker 1>down over time. You know what I'm saying, Like people

0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>believe like people hear that ship. I mean, look, I

0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 1>know we want to all believe that. It's like we're

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 1>all like filled with a bunch of like smart people.

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 1>But it's actually a bunch of stupid people with like smartphones,

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, And like people are susceptible

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 1>to believing ship that they want to hear. It's just

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 1>the fact we know this. And when you've got the

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Internet and social media just pumping the whole concept of

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 1>disinformation and propaganda and like just giving it like a

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:42.440
<v Speaker 1>boost of meth. You know what I'm saying. You've you've

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>got like that that in turns it's it's two thousand eighteen.

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:48.680
<v Speaker 1>You've got right wingers being like, oh, that black celebrity

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:51.640
<v Speaker 1>said slavery was a choice, and then you just fast

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 1>forward three years later and it's like, I think we

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:57.879
<v Speaker 1>should make that I have a dream speech band. It

0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make that law now, you know all I'm saying.

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 1>It's not it's not insignificant. It does definitely like rebound

0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 1>redound in the discourse and get picked up in other

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 1>places where it does serious harm for sure. Um, So

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>there's that. And then I was thinking about the anti

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:24.160
<v Speaker 1>abortion comments he made during his first presidential South Carolina.

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:27.639
<v Speaker 1>You don't know about in South Carolinas him Okay, so

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 1>he would got out there and he cried and revealed

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 1>that he said my mom saved my life. My dad

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>wanted to abort me. My mom saved my life. There

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 1>would be no There would have been no Connie West

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 1>because my dad was too busy. So like talking about

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 1>how he was almost not he he was almost apported,

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 1>and then he continued sobbing, thinking I almost killed my daughter.

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 1>And he goes into extremely personal detail about his intimate

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 1>conversations with Kim Kardashian about whether or not they were

0:28:56.400 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 1>going to pursue parenthood and like have North, Um, did

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 1>you know he was going to do this? No? He

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>even said he even said I don't like, I don't

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>care if she divorces me. After this speech, like yeah,

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 1>what really that He later apologized to her for saying

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 1>like very very intimate stuff that no one, I think

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 1>they're divorced now, Like right, is that? Okay? I didn't

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 1>hear about this one. What he was like she had

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the abortion pills in her hand and like got real,

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 1>like very deeply personal about their conversations about having North,

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:40.239
<v Speaker 1>and so he then went on to propose that she's

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 1>not cool though, right, I'm sorry, Oh that's not all

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 1>right at all? All right? Word like no, no, no, no, no,

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 1>no no, no no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah,

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, I would think that in this climate,

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 1>some sh like that should have made it only like

0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty people in that stadium. Well yeah, so definitely. So

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 1>this is this is this is again an instantiation of

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>like the thing I was discussing previously, where it's like, okay,

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 1>so like the media friends, these is like anti abortion comments, which, like,

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 1>I think, as a person, you're totally allowed to like

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>feel this way if you want to on an individual level,

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 1>like you know, feeling regret about almost you know, having

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>abortion and then you you're glad you didn't or like

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>whatever about your own circumstances. You're glad to be alive

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 1>because your parents didn't make that choice, Like you're it's

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 1>you're like, on an individual level, you're absolutely allowed to

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 1>um to feel that way. I wouldn't I wouldn't classify

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 1>these as anti abortion comments in like a policy sense,

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 1>as much as the personal stance of like this is

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:50.200
<v Speaker 1>something that he does not agree with. Granted, again, it's

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 1>within the context of the hanging out with Trump hang

0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 1>O Canada's owens. It's a press supposedly a presidential campaign rally,

0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 1>and so it's extrapolated to be like, oh, this is

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>a policy nts of yours consider Lauren Hill has that

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>same stance, right, Lauren Hill, because Lauren Hills not sucking

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>what Steve Bannon and ship you know what I mean

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>exactly exactly exactly, So we can take it as a

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 1>personal stance and not as like some fucking plausibly deniable

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 1>political you know. Yeah, and so, especially when you put

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 1>in the context of so West. So he tells these

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 1>really personal stories about his own debates around parenthood, and

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 1>then he proposed that there should be no more Plan B,

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>which sounds really scary, um, but then he's then he

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>proposes a Plan A, which is fifty tho dollars per

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 1>year to help women take care of their child. And uh.

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>He said that it takes a village, no matter how

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 1>much money you have, and that society has to be

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 1>set up for single mothers to never society has been

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:52.960
<v Speaker 1>set up for single mothers to never have a village,

0:31:53.680 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 1>which like, is it pretty you know, progressive like release

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>of policy. He later went on to say he did

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>not support making abortion illegal. He just wanted to offer

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>people another option in the form of financial support for

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:12.959
<v Speaker 1>raising their kids and so like I've heard this, I've

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>heard an argument very often on the left like if

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>you're pro life, then like be pro life after the

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>child is born, like make sure they have you know,

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 1>universal pre K and good schools and make sure the

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.239
<v Speaker 1>parents are adequately supported and you know, make sure they

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>have healthcare. Dada, da da, and like conservatives generally don't

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:31.239
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about that parts like we'll have your

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 1>child and then and then you're a welfare queen and

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 1>we hate you and we wish you death and like

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, all this crazy shit. Um, but like actually

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 1>saying like if this existed, if like you can get

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 1>fifty dollars a year if you were uh like a

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 1>like a new mother, Like imagine how the abortionery would

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>actually drop when people are like, oh, you know what,

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I can maybe handle this, so I'm not gonna be

0:32:57.240 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 1>like a control and just like oh everything. And he

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>says it's bad because I didn't like this and that,

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, that sounds good. What I will say to that, though.

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 1>You know what I will add to that, though, is

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 1>I want to see him say that to Steve Bannon.

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I want to see Kanye West say that exact position

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>to Canada's Owens and see what their reaction is going

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 1>to be, and to see if Kanye holds that same position,

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, to see if it stays consistent,

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 1>because like I can definitely picture a Republican politician saying

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>that therefore that and getting booed out of the building

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 1>into in today's current Republican climate. So yeah, well, zero

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Republicans voted for the child tax credit that started pinning

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 1>people's bank accounts. JU that is like pretty much like

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 1>a scale down version of what Kanye was talking about

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 1>of like give families a month to you know, by diapers,

0:33:56.080 --> 0:34:02.440
<v Speaker 1>pay for childcare five animal cracker is whatever for kids,

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>so that you know, I mean not so that fewer people.

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean obviously the kids are already alive, so that

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:12.399
<v Speaker 1>it's not like it's factoring in the choice, but it's

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 1>this idea of providing financial supports for families so that

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:19.879
<v Speaker 1>it's like less, so like the hardship is no longer

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>factored in for people that are in that situation that

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>he was, you know, or his mom was in. You know.

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that if we had stuff like universal pre K,

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:34.400
<v Speaker 1>if we d had stuff like uh for or like

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:37.800
<v Speaker 1>oh my God like like Medicare for all, like dealing

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.919
<v Speaker 1>right now, like, um, I am losing I'm gonna lose

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 1>my current insurance at the end of the month, and

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm having a baby on August and so like that

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:51.240
<v Speaker 1>whole thing. I can completely understand why somebody would be like, nope,

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>not having kids, not dealing with that ship. Like imagine

0:34:55.719 --> 0:35:00.040
<v Speaker 1>how expanding all these like oh socialist support to it,

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 1>like would actually get people to like maybe have child

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:08.320
<v Speaker 1>more children. You know Republicans and Republicans run from that

0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:11.759
<v Speaker 1>ship and they hate that ship. So I mean, like

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:15.279
<v Speaker 1>I said, I agree with that. I mean I even

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:17.839
<v Speaker 1>like agree with literally what Kanye was saying, Like if

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>there was just I agree with you that, Like yeah,

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 1>if you if you put him in a room with

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:24.759
<v Speaker 1>Canada's owns and have him say this, they might get

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:26.840
<v Speaker 1>into a fight. On the flip side, I feel like

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 1>if you put them in a room with Steve Bannon

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and say that, like a lot of these people like

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 1>because you know, the whole like Kanye going to see

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Trump and hanging out in the office and stuff like,

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 1>That's what I mean. That was just Oh, let's manipulate him,

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Let's get the photos and let's like and so they'd

0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 1>be like, and so you put them in a room

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>with Steve Bannon however and see Ben and be like

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 1>uh huh uh huh, fascinating great, And then they snapped

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 1>the pictures and then they be like, Okay, how are

0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 1>we going to manipulate Kanye into actually like because I

0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know, doing some fun for bringing back up that Trump?

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 1>That Trump thing? Is this when you think, can you

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 1>imagine what that moment could have been? Like one of

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:16.840
<v Speaker 1>the most like, what's the what's the word I'm looking for?

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 1>One of the most outspoken hip hop artists is in

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 1>the Oval office with a current sitting President of the

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:33.720
<v Speaker 1>United States. All of the world's cameras are, they're watching,

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 1>and you can end you're also you also you're politically

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 1>savvy and media trained, and you've been a celebrity for

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 1>a decade at this point, over a decade. Can you

0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 1>imagine what that mode? Can you imagine if that was

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Lingua Franca? What what? What? What would what would Mariah Parker,

0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 1>the human behind the artist Lingua Franca, have used to

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 1>to make that moment regardless of whatever you had to

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:04.399
<v Speaker 1>do to get in there. You know, it's like, you're

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:06.799
<v Speaker 1>in there, what would you have made that moment as

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:09.799
<v Speaker 1>opposed to the shucking and jiv in that we saw. Well,

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:14.320
<v Speaker 1>I can imagine because I've spoken frequently on the preparedness

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:19.840
<v Speaker 1>for political life that comes with having been a member

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.360
<v Speaker 1>of the hip hop community, particularly with regards to like

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:25.400
<v Speaker 1>freestyle and like battle it and stuff like that. Like

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 1>sometimes you get into mode where you're like, I'm not

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 1>exactly sure what I'm gonna do what I get in there,

0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 1>but I trust myself because you have because you you know,

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:35.320
<v Speaker 1>you stepped on stage and started ranting or are you

0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>forgot your lyrics and you free seldom or whatever, and

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:42.439
<v Speaker 1>so I I while like, okay, Kanye's like media train,

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah absolutely when in there, which just like I'm not

0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:48.359
<v Speaker 1>sure what I'm about to do, but I got this. Yeah,

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:52.319
<v Speaker 1>It's only that's the only explanation. It's the only explanation

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>for what happened. He wasn't like, oh, let's oh so

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 1>on my agenda at eleven fifteen, we will pivot the

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 1>topic to uh um lithium mining and like he's not

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:09.400
<v Speaker 1>He's just don't even think I got this, And he

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:11.560
<v Speaker 1>just wouldn't. I don't even think it has to have

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:15.800
<v Speaker 1>been that thought out. I just think that like he

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 1>probably could have gotten I don't even know, you know what,

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not even smart enough to articulate it, but I

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.560
<v Speaker 1>just can't imagine that I would have been in that

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:32.759
<v Speaker 1>situation and that under any circumstances that Donald Trump would

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 1>come out of this smileing just and that and you

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:39.880
<v Speaker 1>know what, And I'm not even gonna put that on

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 1>like some Trump ship. I don't see myself being in

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 1>a room like that with any sitting American president and

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>them coming out of it like thank you guys for

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:53.920
<v Speaker 1>for putting for for putting me in a meeting with

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:58.719
<v Speaker 1>that person, like thank thank you guys, like yeah, zip

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>tied with a gag in my mouth, like yeah. So

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:07.239
<v Speaker 1>that that ship is, That's that's the real funny style

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:11.920
<v Speaker 1>ship right there. That yeah, frankly, alright, So what else,

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Let's get back a little bit more into some of

0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:16.960
<v Speaker 1>his pro life comments. This is the last summer as well?

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, so he said that um uh, he

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 1>would ask how to fun plan as per like single mother.

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:30.759
<v Speaker 1>He suggested that Israel and Africa would the concept and

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 1>build the wall two point I don't know, Yeah, which

0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 1>sounds hilarious if you thinking about the United States provides

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Israel with about three point eight billion dollars million military

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:43.879
<v Speaker 1>aid at least they did in two is probably more now. Um,

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and is also benefits from around eight billion dollars in

0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:51.720
<v Speaker 1>American loan gard he's annually. So it's like, okay, once again,

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:54.520
<v Speaker 1>like he's saying some ship that's kind of off the wall,

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 1>but what if it's real? Pain is back. I can

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:01.399
<v Speaker 1>absolutely give every expected mother fift so not not missing

0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the mark terribly, but again it's like, you know, just

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's more into the theme of it's like,

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 1>it's not like the dude is like a rambling lunatic

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:13.840
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. That's not making any sense on

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 1>anything that he says. You know, it's just taking into

0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 1>account all the different pieces and everything. Yeah, but let's

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:30.279
<v Speaker 1>get into discussion of his discography after the jump. Where

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 1>do we start. We are going to start where we're

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:35.880
<v Speaker 1>all happened. You know, I think that definitely he was

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:38.600
<v Speaker 1>making beats for a long time. We all know about

0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:43.359
<v Speaker 1>the well, you know about making sixty beats or six

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.439
<v Speaker 1>summers or some ship. Yeah, it was oh yeah, heah

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:51.759
<v Speaker 1>that line. Um, oh I want to um, oh, it's

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:55.839
<v Speaker 1>on Spaceships. Yeah, lock yourself in the room doing five

0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:58.400
<v Speaker 1>because the day for three summers different world like three

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:03.759
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah, yeah, I said sixty beats alright, there's no

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 1>one that had the kids that made that deserved that

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 1>made back. Yeah. Oh man, I remember the first time

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:14.360
<v Speaker 1>I heard that. I was just like, so, we know

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:16.240
<v Speaker 1>he was making music for a long time, but Kanye

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>West pretty much jumped into the national spotlight with two

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:25.040
<v Speaker 1>thousand four albums, College Dropout, Dessert, Somebody Going to Paint

0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:28.840
<v Speaker 1>deserve that break there. I mean he was sort of

0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 1>like the in house beat maker for Rockefella for a while,

0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 1>working on other people's projects and jay Z Memphis Bleek Crew.

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Apparently it was like, hey, guys, like put me in coach,

0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Like can you sign me to be a rapper? And

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 1>they were like whatever, bitch, get back in the dungeon

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 1>and keep making beats. They like, we're not for like years,

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 1>we're not interested in signing him to do his own

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 1>like folding studio album, um, which is I find hilarious

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 1>And I think I think when ultimately like saying that

0:41:56.640 --> 0:42:00.560
<v Speaker 1>about Kanye, his legacy, I mean musically a lot of

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 1>other stuff we will remember about him now as we

0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 1>have discussed. But like he like he's a prolific and

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:10.840
<v Speaker 1>ingenious producer, Like he's not actually that's special of a rapper,

0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, but like but like, uh, his ingenuitou with beats,

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.279
<v Speaker 1>both in the way that he broke the mold with

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:23.480
<v Speaker 1>his production around the college dropout era and even still

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 1>how he's like progressing whether you like it or not, um,

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:31.239
<v Speaker 1>whether you appreciate the way his style has changed over

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the years that it has evolved so much, Like you know,

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 1>he's just been you know, he's just produced up shit.

0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm usually always like a sucker for rapper producers, and um,

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:45.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, there was even though I was you know,

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 1>never like super into stuff, there was like a are

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 1>of that that I really dug. That was like, oh man,

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:53.799
<v Speaker 1>he's like rapping on all the songs and he's making

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 1>the beats and that's that's like really cool and ship.

0:42:56.239 --> 0:43:00.400
<v Speaker 1>But later on Kanye like he embraces is like the

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:05.320
<v Speaker 1>whole you know, the collaborative music making, like you know,

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:09.080
<v Speaker 1>that pop music sort of thing. So I kind of

0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:10.880
<v Speaker 1>have to question you know, some of the some of

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:12.919
<v Speaker 1>the moments that I've heard when you said that he's

0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:16.879
<v Speaker 1>really kind of a socio rapper. Like, there's definitely been

0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:20.320
<v Speaker 1>moments that I know, I've heard Kanye as a rapper

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 1>that I felt like, oh man, that was that was

0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:26.400
<v Speaker 1>really fresh. But I also know for a fact that

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:29.120
<v Speaker 1>I had the prince rights some of this stuff, you

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:30.880
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, And that he's had writers throughout

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 1>the year. So it's like, I don't know what what

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.719
<v Speaker 1>what of it, Not that it makes it bad, it

0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 1>just means no, I don't really funk with it on

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 1>that this came from Kanye sort of vibe. And I'm

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:45.360
<v Speaker 1>also very skeptical of like people who are already in

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:49.920
<v Speaker 1>the industry or have ties and like capital back like

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the backing of like music industry capital, like how that

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:57.600
<v Speaker 1>then allows them to get good at a craft. Like

0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:00.480
<v Speaker 1>there's no doubt in my mind that in the years since,

0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:03.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like Beyonce was probably a great singer in

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:06.800
<v Speaker 1>the Destiny's Child era, but because she's got millions of

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:11.720
<v Speaker 1>dollars from Columbia Universal whoever behind her, she can afford

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 1>the best She has been able to afford the best

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.440
<v Speaker 1>vocal coaching in the world to get to the pinnacle

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:20.680
<v Speaker 1>that she is now at same with choreography, like, oh,

0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:22.880
<v Speaker 1>she's an amazing answer. It's like, yeah, if you have

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.920
<v Speaker 1>people paying for the best choreographers in the world and

0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 1>the best personal trainers imaginable to ensure that you are

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:31.600
<v Speaker 1>a great answer, you're gonna become that. And so like

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:34.440
<v Speaker 1>the fact that Kanye was already in the world of

0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 1>music there being a producer and yeah, and afford it afforded,

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the afforded the opportunity to to grow. There's like this

0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 1>quote about Einstein, uh, but thinking about like how many

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Einstein's exist, But then like they're they're they're brilliance. It's

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 1>just like you know, they work in that they work

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 1>in a cornfield or they work in a shoe factory

0:44:57.239 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 1>their whole lives and their brilliance is never allowed to

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:03.680
<v Speaker 1>If you grow up playing sports and you know, a

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:06.759
<v Speaker 1>rich country, then it's like you have more opportunity to

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:09.759
<v Speaker 1>get the best nutrition and the best trading from when

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.840
<v Speaker 1>you're a little kid, as opposed to if you're athletically

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:15.200
<v Speaker 1>inclined and you're in a village somewhere, then you don't

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:18.880
<v Speaker 1>get that same coaching and nutrition and you never get

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:21.560
<v Speaker 1>to develop into the athlete. That you could possibly because

0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 1>your circumstances not same exactly. So that's why I don't

0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:28.880
<v Speaker 1>like while like Kanye is to me a so so

0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:31.440
<v Speaker 1>rapper who has moments of brilliance where it's like, oh,

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 1>that was really cool. But I hope so, I hope

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.640
<v Speaker 1>you're at least occasionally able to do some cool ship

0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 1>because you're surrounded by all of the like all of this,

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 1>uh you know, creative stimuli and like access to resources

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 1>that you would need to become a good word smith.

0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:53.719
<v Speaker 1>It's not necessarily a Racks to Riches story. Yeah, I

0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:55.279
<v Speaker 1>don't feel the same way I sent about him as

0:45:55.280 --> 0:45:57.440
<v Speaker 1>they do as someone like Kendrick or you can't be

0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 1>like you dropped your first album after like like the

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:05.240
<v Speaker 1>way the way it's it's presented is almost he dropped

0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 1>his first album after years of grinding as the in

0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:16.280
<v Speaker 1>house Rockefella producer, Oh my god, how yeah, slaving away

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:22.239
<v Speaker 1>in the basement of rock before anyone knew who So yeah,

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:25.640
<v Speaker 1>are you okay after all of those Grammy nominations that

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:29.239
<v Speaker 1>you received in the dungeons of the Rockefeller studios. But

0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>we digressed from the album because college dropout was and

0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:35.680
<v Speaker 1>is a classic hip hop album in my opinion, the

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:39.400
<v Speaker 1>whole aesthetic, the whole like college kids aesthetic. I'm not

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:41.440
<v Speaker 1>like a gangster like the rest of these guys. I mean,

0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:44.920
<v Speaker 1>you gotta remember this is two years removed from fifty

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:49.800
<v Speaker 1>cent Taken Over the World. So g Unit gang Rape

0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:53.239
<v Speaker 1>on a little early two thousand's resurgence of gangster rap,

0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:55.960
<v Speaker 1>dip set, all that ship d Block, which I love,

0:46:56.040 --> 0:47:00.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, And then on his personal blog, Kanye said

0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:02.719
<v Speaker 1>that he was most inspired by the myth educational Lauren

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Hill in the production of The College Dropout and listen

0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:07.800
<v Speaker 1>to the album every day while working on the project,

0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:09.760
<v Speaker 1>which I think you can hear. You can like totally

0:47:09.800 --> 0:47:11.880
<v Speaker 1>hear when you when you once you know that, you're like,

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:14.040
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, that makes sense. It definitely sounds like it's

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:17.360
<v Speaker 1>coming out of that that vein of like you know,

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:19.919
<v Speaker 1>you remember like when a bunch of rappers had sort

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.480
<v Speaker 1>of a tie into like the neo soul sort of

0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:26.759
<v Speaker 1>like thing. I know, this was several years after that,

0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:28.719
<v Speaker 1>but it had that sort of vibe to it where

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:30.760
<v Speaker 1>he was like hanging out with Erka Badoo and Andrea

0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 1>three thousand and the Roots, and they all kind of

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>seemed like they were part of the same sort of

0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 1>click you know what I mean, And so up next

0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:42.479
<v Speaker 1>you had late Registration, which I learned recently. His first

0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:49.080
<v Speaker 1>four albums were meant to be a a tetrology about

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:52.719
<v Speaker 1>higher education to this college dropout, the registrations graduation. There's

0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be a fourth one UM, also on the

0:47:56.200 --> 0:48:00.719
<v Speaker 1>theme of you know, college of graduating, of of making

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:04.239
<v Speaker 1>it in the world of higher ed UM. But unfortunately

0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:08.760
<v Speaker 1>two thousand seven West mother Donda West, who we mentioned earlier,

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:14.640
<v Speaker 1>passed away the age um from complications from life possession

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:19.440
<v Speaker 1>to mammo plastic surgery, which actually then inspired UM a

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:23.800
<v Speaker 1>law named after her UM signed by then California Governor

0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Arnold Schwarzenegger. UM the Donda West Law, which made made

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:32.000
<v Speaker 1>it mandatory for patients to receive medical clearance through physical

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:37.279
<v Speaker 1>examination before undergoing elective cosmetic surgery. Your thoughts on late Registration,

0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I I do see, I do see like

0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:43.360
<v Speaker 1>these first three albums as like uh like a like

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:48.320
<v Speaker 1>a phase, like a wave, you know, very similarly styled Graduation.

0:48:48.360 --> 0:48:52.399
<v Speaker 1>He kind of starts to peel away from the neo

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:56.759
<v Speaker 1>soul kind of feel of the first two. Did Graduation

0:48:56.840 --> 0:49:00.799
<v Speaker 1>did late registration have gold Digger, Yes it did. Okay, Yeah,

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 1>so so he starts to feeling the start feeling himself

0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:04.920
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. You know, I don't think I was.

0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:06.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I was jumping off of the train.

0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Then whichever album, whichever whichever album had the daft punk

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 1>won the bicker Stronger Oh you mean like Stronger Stronger

0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:19.040
<v Speaker 1>was on a graduation Okay, Yeah, see that's when I

0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:23.440
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh so, yeah, so let's actually let's actually

0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:26.399
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to get into that because um, with graduation.

0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:29.440
<v Speaker 1>After spending the previous your year touring the world with

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:35.320
<v Speaker 1>YouTube on their Vertico tour, West became inspired watching Bono

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:39.880
<v Speaker 1>open the stadium tours every night with like incredible standing

0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:44.839
<v Speaker 1>ovations and started to seek out composing like anthem rap

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:48.400
<v Speaker 1>songs that could operate more efficiently in large stadium than arenas.

0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 1>So like that sound like on Stronger and like some

0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:55.719
<v Speaker 1>songs like that, Like he was he had like had

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:58.560
<v Speaker 1>a taste of like world fame and was like, I

0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:01.880
<v Speaker 1>need to start making music for this performing in this

0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:10.280
<v Speaker 1>particular context and making that audience like what he was doing, yes, exactly,

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:14.200
<v Speaker 1>just putting it out there. Yeah. Um. You also mentioned

0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Um earlier. If it's funny about Graduation. Um they had

0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:23.640
<v Speaker 1>cosiding release dates between Graduation and Curtis. I remember, yeah,

0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and I remember they had the publicity over the ideas

0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:31.960
<v Speaker 1>of the sales competition. They had a little pr stunt

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 1>where they were competing to see who would have the

0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:38.839
<v Speaker 1>biggest opening weekend. Fifty was dominating and Kanye was kind

0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:41.399
<v Speaker 1>of the like from a sales perspective, like fifty cent

0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:44.000
<v Speaker 1>was number one, then Kanye West was number two, so

0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.759
<v Speaker 1>they kind of I don't know whether they coordinated it

0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:49.560
<v Speaker 1>to drop on the same week, but because their albums

0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:52.320
<v Speaker 1>were dropping on the same week, they played up that

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:55.959
<v Speaker 1>competition in the public eye. So they were talking about

0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.360
<v Speaker 1>it on talk shows, websites, interviews and stuff like that, like,

0:50:59.440 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, you guys, watch Curtis is gonna smash Graduation in. Eventually,

0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:09.759
<v Speaker 1>Kanye won that. Eventually, Danny do when that, Yeah, Well,

0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:12.560
<v Speaker 1>they had record breaking sales for both albums. I think

0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:16.480
<v Speaker 1>as a result of the you know, the fabricated feud,

0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:19.879
<v Speaker 1>but Kanye did end up winning the winning the fight

0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:22.560
<v Speaker 1>between UM those two. So it was like the battle

0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:28.360
<v Speaker 1>between you know, the prevailing the prevailing UH stereotype I

0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:31.960
<v Speaker 1>guess of like gangs to gangster rap versus this new

0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:39.080
<v Speaker 1>pink polo wearing like uh like suburban tinged like flavor

0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:42.719
<v Speaker 1>that Kanye was bringing like which one, which one? And

0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:45.080
<v Speaker 1>it really he really broke them old and like show

0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:50.040
<v Speaker 1>that all right, even that is only in reputation because

0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:53.360
<v Speaker 1>this is like two thousand eight or nine, and we

0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:57.120
<v Speaker 1>gotta remember the fifties set that that he's competing with

0:51:57.360 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 1>is pretty much making the same type of music Kanye

0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:01.520
<v Speaker 1>West is baking at this point. I mean, we're talking

0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:03.840
<v Speaker 1>about the album that had AEO technology with Justin to

0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:05.920
<v Speaker 1>like that was that was what was Fifty was pushing

0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:07.840
<v Speaker 1>that that that was that was That's what they were

0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:09.720
<v Speaker 1>going up against each other. So it's not like fifty

0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:14.320
<v Speaker 1>was pushing the hardcore gainst the street ship against Kanye,

0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:18.799
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying us. But on a side note,

0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:24.280
<v Speaker 1>somebody who was like a fifty fan back then, Fifty

0:52:24.400 --> 0:52:29.279
<v Speaker 1>losing that little competition with Kanye did cause him to

0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:35.080
<v Speaker 1>make a underground album called war Angel that is his Yeah,

0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:38.560
<v Speaker 1>it's his best album. Like he completely just abandoned all

0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:43.400
<v Speaker 1>like commercial ambition for his next project and just like

0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:46.880
<v Speaker 1>a straight up released like an underground like hip hop album,

0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:49.960
<v Speaker 1>hip hop album independently that is like his best work.

0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I recommend fifty cents war Angel if you like Damn,

0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:57.560
<v Speaker 1>just learn something new today. Hey, I'm full of useless trivia.

0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:00.640
<v Speaker 1>So this Bring This brings us to his X project

0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:03.759
<v Speaker 1>eight to eight and Heartbreak. Yeah, so he broke off

0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:06.480
<v Speaker 1>from he was gonna do another album in the theme

0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:10.719
<v Speaker 1>of higher ed, but grappling with the death of his mother,

0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:12.680
<v Speaker 1>he decided to take it. You know, it was working

0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:15.399
<v Speaker 1>a more in a dark direction. This was the part

0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:18.879
<v Speaker 1>I think this coincided with when the whole Taylor Swift

0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:21.520
<v Speaker 1>thing happened. Yeah, I did, and so like that come

0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:23.719
<v Speaker 1>out with this album. I was like, I'm done with

0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Kanye and like the same for me. For even though

0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:28.759
<v Speaker 1>I kind of like data weights in Heartbreak, it just

0:53:28.840 --> 0:53:30.879
<v Speaker 1>like was so different that I was like, man, you're

0:53:30.880 --> 0:53:35.279
<v Speaker 1>slipping for the people who were already off board the

0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Kanye trained by the time all the weird Republican Nazi

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:43.240
<v Speaker 1>stuff started happening. This was probably the point where they jumped,

0:53:44.480 --> 0:53:48.719
<v Speaker 1>was that, and it was purely musically. I mean, as well,

0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:51.759
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about beautiful, dark twisted brought brought some heads

0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:54.680
<v Speaker 1>back in, but a lot of people at you know,

0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:56.680
<v Speaker 1>whether you can say they're closed minded or you know,

0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:58.160
<v Speaker 1>people just like what they like. But a lot of

0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 1>people were taken aback by the sharp departure and style

0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:04.720
<v Speaker 1>that he went with. There was a lot of auto tune.

0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:07.360
<v Speaker 1>There was very little rapping on eight to eight and

0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Heartbreaks and it was it was a lot more about

0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:14.680
<v Speaker 1>melody and you know, and feelings and song song structure

0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:19.080
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. And then we had my beautiful, dark, Twisted Fantasy,

0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:21.399
<v Speaker 1>which I guess is ten years old now, maybe even

0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:25.520
<v Speaker 1>eleven years old. It's messed up. I remember last year

0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, we're gonna do like a ten

0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:29.840
<v Speaker 1>year retrospective on the album, and then then then in

0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:32.879
<v Speaker 1>the coronavirus and so I forgot so eleven years ago

0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:36.160
<v Speaker 1>if darctorst and Fantasy came out, I did I think

0:54:36.239 --> 0:54:38.320
<v Speaker 1>this is the best album personally? Oh yeah, no, I

0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:42.319
<v Speaker 1>think universally claimed as like his probably his best work. Um.

0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I think because it's sort of mixes to a degree

0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:52.480
<v Speaker 1>some of his like later experimentation with the soul that

0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:55.000
<v Speaker 1>drew people to Kanye in his early work as well.

0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I thought beautiful dark twist of Fantasy was like the

0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:02.239
<v Speaker 1>point that you just that you made earlier about how

0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to start making stuff that would work more

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:08.680
<v Speaker 1>effectively with stadium stuff after he saw Bono and YouTube. Like,

0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:13.560
<v Speaker 1>to me, I feel like beautiful, dark, twisted Fantasy accomplishes

0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:18.759
<v Speaker 1>that by still being like hip hop as fun. Yeah,

0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. Like it's still it's still

0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:25.000
<v Speaker 1>boom bab, it's still like sampling, it's still bars, you

0:55:25.080 --> 0:55:27.319
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. It's not like it's not like yeo,

0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:31.040
<v Speaker 1>we gotta have like the massive trumpet horse section, you

0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:32.879
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean to like pump up, pump up,

0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 1>like the crowd of sucking. I don't know, I really

0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:38.960
<v Speaker 1>like that album. No, the album is great. I mean

0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:41.879
<v Speaker 1>in the closer with the Gil Scott Heron sample from

0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:45.800
<v Speaker 1>his common number one UM, which was a piece of

0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:49.360
<v Speaker 1>spoken words to us the realist about the African American

0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:54.640
<v Speaker 1>experience UM and the idealism of American dream UM like

0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:56.640
<v Speaker 1>where else. Like, as I was going back to the album,

0:55:56.640 --> 0:55:58.520
<v Speaker 1>I was like, there'sn't really political here to discuss. I

0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:01.319
<v Speaker 1>don't think. I mean, there's consumer is UM. There's all

0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:07.120
<v Speaker 1>sorts of things that vaguely touch upon um, just suddenly

0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:11.000
<v Speaker 1>American life and which is touched upon by politics. But

0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I thought it's really interesting that you know, this regular

0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:16.520
<v Speaker 1>piece that closed down the album UM. You know, it's

0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:20.240
<v Speaker 1>criticized in the nineteen sixteen Revolutionary Youth Movement for failing

0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:23.600
<v Speaker 1>to recognize the more basic needs of the African American community.

0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:27.719
<v Speaker 1>And even though it's edited and reduced down on the

0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:30.440
<v Speaker 1>track which who will Survive in America, just like the

0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:35.480
<v Speaker 1>last track on My Beautiful Dark Twists Fantasy, UM, it's

0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:39.600
<v Speaker 1>still kind of captures this idea of this this persona,

0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:42.080
<v Speaker 1>this African American man who feels caught off from his

0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:45.120
<v Speaker 1>country and his culture UM, which I think is a

0:56:45.200 --> 0:56:49.920
<v Speaker 1>really interesting like knowing what we know today about Kanye UM,

0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:53.320
<v Speaker 1>it's like kind of like weirdly poignant, Like it's like

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.520
<v Speaker 1>it's like an opposite direction of what Guil's got here

0:56:55.520 --> 0:56:57.640
<v Speaker 1>and is talking about, Like Gils got here and is

0:56:57.680 --> 0:57:02.080
<v Speaker 1>talking about like, oh the revel lutionaries. Well, no, I

0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:03.320
<v Speaker 1>mean the more I think about it, the more I

0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:06.719
<v Speaker 1>feel like they're both kind of saying similar things in

0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:11.920
<v Speaker 1>different epics and different ways about it. Yeah, So like yeah,

0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:14.280
<v Speaker 1>girls got here, and I'm saying like oh, these revolutionary

0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:17.520
<v Speaker 1>people who look up to say Guavara and you know

0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:21.920
<v Speaker 1>who the people like the the Young Lords or whoever

0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:25.960
<v Speaker 1>who are out here like agitating for revolution, like don't

0:57:26.000 --> 0:57:28.240
<v Speaker 1>give a shit about what Africa like black people are

0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:31.240
<v Speaker 1>actually going through during this time. And I mean to

0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:34.040
<v Speaker 1>a lesser degree. I mean, Kanye is fighting you know,

0:57:34.120 --> 0:57:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the neoliberal Democratic Party, but some what we're saying, like

0:57:37.080 --> 0:57:39.680
<v Speaker 1>y'all over there, y'all on the left are like missing

0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:43.680
<v Speaker 1>out on like what we really need um and like

0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 1>aren't paying attention to the issues that are actually like

0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:50.400
<v Speaker 1>important in our community and so much it was like

0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:52.800
<v Speaker 1>weirdly poignant on an album that otherwise it's just like

0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:56.040
<v Speaker 1>a banger but pure like pretty purely aesthetic and just

0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:58.920
<v Speaker 1>like fun to listen to. UM, like a really interesting

0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:01.280
<v Speaker 1>way to close it off. It's on brand because it's like,

0:58:01.360 --> 0:58:04.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, Kanye was like a kind of poignant dude,

0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:06.200
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. Like not that anyone should

0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:08.439
<v Speaker 1>have been looking to him to like shake their world

0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:11.640
<v Speaker 1>view or anything like that, but it's like up until

0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:14.280
<v Speaker 1>like recent years and always had the are of like,

0:58:14.400 --> 0:58:16.920
<v Speaker 1>all right, that's like a celebrity guy who's doing celebrity stuff.

0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:18.320
<v Speaker 1>But every now and then you hear him saying some ship,

0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:22.840
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh the funk with that? You know? Yeah? Damn.

0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:31.680
<v Speaker 1>So this uh brings us to his twenty thirteen album Yesus,

0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:35.400
<v Speaker 1>which I mean at this point I'm fully fully off

0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:37.800
<v Speaker 1>the train, but I mean it very much is still

0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:41.160
<v Speaker 1>for the same musical reasons. It's not quite as out

0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:44.200
<v Speaker 1>there musically as A to eight in Heartbreaks, but it

0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:47.520
<v Speaker 1>definitely still kind of felt like a departure from the

0:58:47.680 --> 0:58:51.400
<v Speaker 1>more um boom bap style that he was going on

0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:53.840
<v Speaker 1>in Dark Twisted Fantasy, And at this point, for me,

0:58:53.960 --> 0:58:57.480
<v Speaker 1>I just liked it. I was no longer appreciating the gimmicks. So,

0:58:57.880 --> 0:58:59.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, he had a run of merged during the

0:59:00.040 --> 0:59:03.960
<v Speaker 1>the cycle that featured the Confederate flag prominently, and you know,

0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:06.160
<v Speaker 1>speaking out on the issue, he said, react, how you

0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:09.160
<v Speaker 1>want an energy, you got get energy. You know. The

0:59:09.400 --> 0:59:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Confederate flag represented slavery in a way. That's my abstract

0:59:12.960 --> 0:59:15.200
<v Speaker 1>take on what I know about it. So I made

0:59:15.240 --> 0:59:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the song New Slaves. I took the Confederate flag and

0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:21.000
<v Speaker 1>made it my flag. It's my flag. Now, now what

0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:26.440
<v Speaker 1>are you going to do that? I like wonder what

0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:30.120
<v Speaker 1>like you can you Confederates would feel about that Kanye

0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:32.720
<v Speaker 1>was coming to being like yeah, bits my flag. Now

0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I really can't imagine, but I don't think that they

0:59:38.560 --> 0:59:42.720
<v Speaker 1>would look at it with whether he actually really intends

0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:45.480
<v Speaker 1>any nuance to it at all. But it's like for them,

0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:47.680
<v Speaker 1>it's just the co side, you know what I'm saying.

0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:50.680
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, I guess that for them when they

0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:54.760
<v Speaker 1>see something going down and it's like, oh, they want

0:59:54.800 --> 0:59:59.000
<v Speaker 1>to take down the statue of General Lee from some

0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:03.520
<v Speaker 1>government been building. Man, where are these s jws? I mean,

1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:06.280
<v Speaker 1>even Kanye says it's not that big deal. It's that

1:00:06.440 --> 1:00:08.760
<v Speaker 1>big of a deal, and like he likes the Confederate flag,

1:00:08.920 --> 1:00:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Like they're not they're not reading into this, you know

1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:14.040
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. They're not that digging into those quotes

1:00:14.120 --> 1:00:17.360
<v Speaker 1>any further than what it is. And in this day

1:00:17.400 --> 1:00:20.240
<v Speaker 1>and age when everybody's like worried about their platform or

1:00:20.320 --> 1:00:22.960
<v Speaker 1>is everybody's like talking about concernative platform and stuff like that,

1:00:23.720 --> 1:00:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I just gotta feel like somebody with the platform, like Kanye,

1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:30.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, you can't always be the Mr Magoo of

1:00:30.440 --> 1:00:32.440
<v Speaker 1>like the sort of stuff where it's like I had

1:00:32.520 --> 1:00:34.360
<v Speaker 1>no idea what was going on. It's like that man

1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Kanye has a big boy it means a smart person,

1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:41.040
<v Speaker 1>so he knows what he's doing. Yeah, so let's actually

1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:43.560
<v Speaker 1>get into the song New Slaves, um, which I think

1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:46.360
<v Speaker 1>has echoes of some of what he was trying to

1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:51.640
<v Speaker 1>get at in that quote about slavery being a choice.

1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Four hundred years of slavery. That sounds like a choice

1:00:53.920 --> 1:00:56.400
<v Speaker 1>to me. Um, let's play a little bit of that

1:00:56.480 --> 1:01:01.520
<v Speaker 1>real quick, come in please by ally coat, diamond chain.

1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:05.760
<v Speaker 1>But in the lyrics, you know, he's talking about how

1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:10.520
<v Speaker 1>um he's he's harkening back to an era where like

1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:14.960
<v Speaker 1>it's post slavery, but black people were still kind of

1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:20.960
<v Speaker 1>framed as um or positioned forced into servitude to various

1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:24.080
<v Speaker 1>kinds you know, picking you know, not just not necessarily

1:01:24.080 --> 1:01:27.720
<v Speaker 1>packing cotton. Um. He does talk about that, but like,

1:01:27.800 --> 1:01:30.760
<v Speaker 1>oh you have to be the help um da da

1:01:30.840 --> 1:01:36.320
<v Speaker 1>da da da doing clothes for other people. Um. And

1:01:36.400 --> 1:01:40.520
<v Speaker 1>then he gets into like I guess, being controlled by

1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:44.760
<v Speaker 1>material things like oh, you know you want to Bentley

1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:47.080
<v Speaker 1>if for a coat or diamond chain, all your blacks

1:01:47.160 --> 1:01:49.840
<v Speaker 1>want the same things. So saying like, you know, once

1:01:49.880 --> 1:01:53.440
<v Speaker 1>we escaped Jim Crow once we escaped Chattow slavery like

1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:58.920
<v Speaker 1>still having this being this enslavement to materialism. I think

1:01:59.000 --> 1:02:01.760
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of like that found that came up with

1:02:02.040 --> 1:02:08.000
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, But the thing is, at that time he

1:02:08.320 --> 1:02:12.760
<v Speaker 1>was pushing the materialism exactly. He was like depending on

1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:16.360
<v Speaker 1>people to buy the Confederate flag, teacher, this whole thing,

1:02:16.800 --> 1:02:20.560
<v Speaker 1>this is on the this is this is all during

1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:23.360
<v Speaker 1>the phase where he was going at it with who

1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:26.120
<v Speaker 1>was it, like Gucci or something with with with vers

1:02:26.480 --> 1:02:30.360
<v Speaker 1>with some fashion company because he didn't get like his

1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:33.320
<v Speaker 1>own line of something. And it was like, man, the

1:02:33.360 --> 1:02:35.959
<v Speaker 1>fashion industry is racist because they won't let Kanye West

1:02:36.040 --> 1:02:39.400
<v Speaker 1>have like his own line of something something. And he

1:02:39.560 --> 1:02:41.959
<v Speaker 1>was just making like I would invented the leather jogging pants.

1:02:42.040 --> 1:02:44.400
<v Speaker 1>You don't remember all of that stuff. Like he was

1:02:44.520 --> 1:02:49.480
<v Speaker 1>like pushing like blatant, like vapid materialism at the same

1:02:49.560 --> 1:02:51.400
<v Speaker 1>time that these are the points that he was making

1:02:51.560 --> 1:02:54.160
<v Speaker 1>and songs like the Slaves like literally at the same

1:02:54.200 --> 1:02:58.880
<v Speaker 1>time the same point in time, I'm sorry, that's all good. Now,

1:02:58.880 --> 1:03:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm waiting to the rest of the later recks. And

1:03:00.360 --> 1:03:02.640
<v Speaker 1>it's just like he later goes on, it's like fuck

1:03:02.680 --> 1:03:05.480
<v Speaker 1>you in your corporation. Yan niggas can't control me. But

1:03:05.560 --> 1:03:10.800
<v Speaker 1>it's like you work for Nike, they don't work I'm

1:03:10.840 --> 1:03:13.120
<v Speaker 1>sure in his head he's like, oh they work for me,

1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Like no, NATD like they they they're shareholders. They signed

1:03:17.640 --> 1:03:22.280
<v Speaker 1>your check. Yeah, they're shareholders around the company. Um and

1:03:23.560 --> 1:03:25.640
<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, I mean there's a lot there's a lot

1:03:25.680 --> 1:03:28.040
<v Speaker 1>of interesting stuff in here. He talks about the d

1:03:28.240 --> 1:03:31.000
<v Speaker 1>A teaming up with the c c A. Did you

1:03:31.080 --> 1:03:33.840
<v Speaker 1>think of the album just in general? I did in general,

1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's like I kind of honestly dug this somewhae

1:03:36.680 --> 1:03:39.320
<v Speaker 1>industrial vibe. I didn't give it too much of a

1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:41.720
<v Speaker 1>chance of like repeat listens for it to really like

1:03:41.880 --> 1:03:48.120
<v Speaker 1>thinking for me, Um, but it won't bad. I just

1:03:48.280 --> 1:03:52.640
<v Speaker 1>like didn't appreciate the gimmicks. I didn't appreciate the Confederate flagship.

1:03:52.720 --> 1:03:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I did not appreciate the song that. I mean, it

1:03:55.080 --> 1:03:57.000
<v Speaker 1>was catchy as fun, but I didn't appreciate a song

1:03:57.040 --> 1:03:59.080
<v Speaker 1>called black skinhead on here, Like none of that ship

1:03:59.160 --> 1:04:02.360
<v Speaker 1>was cool to me. Um. So I'm like, you know,

1:04:02.960 --> 1:04:07.440
<v Speaker 1>resist a little bit wow because my morals, I guess

1:04:07.600 --> 1:04:10.439
<v Speaker 1>I was like, this is Cashy's fun, but I don't

1:04:10.480 --> 1:04:13.040
<v Speaker 1>can't funk with it. The next project would be a

1:04:13.120 --> 1:04:15.440
<v Speaker 1>little bit of a spectacle. And I don't even think

1:04:15.480 --> 1:04:18.840
<v Speaker 1>for any political reasons, but just it was just like

1:04:19.040 --> 1:04:22.640
<v Speaker 1>a mess of a rollout. His album The Life of Pablo,

1:04:23.400 --> 1:04:28.680
<v Speaker 1>it was famously like released, and then after it's released,

1:04:28.840 --> 1:04:32.840
<v Speaker 1>he just kept making changes to it, which I guess

1:04:32.880 --> 1:04:36.720
<v Speaker 1>strikes a you know, more interesting question for the music

1:04:36.800 --> 1:04:41.280
<v Speaker 1>industry as a whole. But still the fact remains. You know,

1:04:41.320 --> 1:04:43.560
<v Speaker 1>album came out and then like two days later you

1:04:43.640 --> 1:04:45.600
<v Speaker 1>go on iTunes and it has like two more songs

1:04:45.640 --> 1:04:47.640
<v Speaker 1>added onto it, And then two days later you go

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<v Speaker 1>by and it was mixed a difference so that it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds completely you know what I mean. But that was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much the story of this one. But it just

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<v Speaker 1>like his current album Donda, it also had like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of high surrounding it with like listening parties and

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<v Speaker 1>things of that nature. It's the little thing I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of mixed feelings, but like I appreciate and enjoy about

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<v Speaker 1>his later discography is the sort of gospel influence. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up around gospel of music. I think gospel

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<v Speaker 1>music is kind of tight. Frankly, I just think like

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<v Speaker 1>the core of the chorus, the choral sounding like the

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<v Speaker 1>like harmonies and things like that. It's like really dope.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, I mean, I, to be honest, did not

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<v Speaker 1>really I didn't listen to Jesus Is King just because

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<v Speaker 1>like at this point I had sort of like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I probably heard it, but like it doesn't pay attention

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<v Speaker 1>to this point. I was just like yo, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>like I said so. On the US charts, the album

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<v Speaker 1>became the first ever to top the Billboard two hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>top R and B and Hip Hop Albums, Top Rap Albums,

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<v Speaker 1>Top Christian Albums, and Top Gospel Albums categories all the

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<v Speaker 1>same time. So yeah, it was a straight up it

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<v Speaker 1>was a straight up like gospel album. It's just like

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<v Speaker 1>gospel singing. I mean it's a little it's a little silly,

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<v Speaker 1>like He's got this one almost like um, I'm closed,

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<v Speaker 1>like oh you my chick fil A we closed on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday like stuff like that, where it's kind of goofy

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<v Speaker 1>and like funny and like a tongue in cheek um

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<v Speaker 1>hip hop way the way that you know, we just

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<v Speaker 1>make jokes, make metaphors that are a little you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess a little a little less it's strictly uh

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<v Speaker 1>reverend in like a gospel kind of way. But no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just praising to just Prason Jesus the whole time. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I I never really got into it because

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's more so for me what I appreciated

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<v Speaker 1>about like some of uh, like I guess the life

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<v Speaker 1>of Pablo. Um, what's that? Um? It combined the sound

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<v Speaker 1>of gospel with like hip hop content when it gets

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<v Speaker 1>really stract, like as a as like a non religious person,

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<v Speaker 1>and it gets real straight and to like the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Halleujah praised the Lord. Chance the rapper kind of started

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<v Speaker 1>it with that Color and Book album where he was

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<v Speaker 1>like doing the gospel rap ship and then okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know again, you know, admittedly, maybe I should have

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<v Speaker 1>done this for preparation for this episode, so bad on

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<v Speaker 1>me in my journalism skills, but I have not taken

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<v Speaker 1>the time to listen to Jesus King or really or

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<v Speaker 1>really you know, I can't say that I'm like eager

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<v Speaker 1>to hear Donda at all. So yeah, apparently Donda I

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to come out last Friday. Now it's supposedly

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<v Speaker 1>dropping August six. He's still working on it. Um. So

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<v Speaker 1>we shall see how it goes. I didn't And that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's sounding like it's going to be like a gospel

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<v Speaker 1>and let's see real quick, let's see what people are

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<v Speaker 1>to say. It's gonna be mad funny when the Small

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<v Speaker 1>Princess all proceeds for this album go to the stop

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<v Speaker 1>the steel really, so it sounds like he's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with themes about you know, his a recent divorce. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna have some continued religious influence akin to Jesus's

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<v Speaker 1>King and things like that. Um. But yeah, so it

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<v Speaker 1>may have some of that gospel e sound. One of

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<v Speaker 1>my friends, uh know, somebody who was at that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, they have COVID now, I probably, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were just it's the sort of person that you would

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<v Speaker 1>expect to say, oh man, it was a life changing experience.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so great. This is good. This album is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna change in the world. And YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA YadA.

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<v Speaker 1>So fans are definitely amped over. Yeah, yeah, let them

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<v Speaker 1>have their fun. It's cool. But yeah, that's it for us.

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<v Speaker 1>This week will be I guess checking out Donda when

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<v Speaker 1>it drops August six, just to see or not. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>probably for guess I'll probably forget augustly so will come

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<v Speaker 1>and go and I'll be like, oh ship I forgot.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's told me when that ship comes on

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<v Speaker 1>regular TV check it out. But what do you say

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<v Speaker 1>you are? You feel like rapping? Yeah, of course, a Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>can you drop a beat? Ha ha? Here we go,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go, ha ha ha, lady rapper. Right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but panty Hole was gonna tad yelling a fashionist life

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<v Speaker 1>lately as was lashing only half the lights half the light.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he'll drop the album to night maybe golf on

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<v Speaker 1>the grammatically catluss like who knows what kind of state

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<v Speaker 1>they gave me him for all? Like fucking note you

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<v Speaker 1>could you be hanging out with Canadians staying in the

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<v Speaker 1>A again hosted them? But say he's been staying him?

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<v Speaker 1>What the way to live through? What? You would never

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<v Speaker 1>explain this ship? You gotta hand it to him that

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<v Speaker 1>whatever he's got on his mind. And I appreciate a

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<v Speaker 1>canny human, but when you getting played by Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>Candy songs, you should probably ask yourself, Man, I should

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<v Speaker 1>plan on going Franca and we are waiting on reparation.

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<v Speaker 1>Hurry up, Kanye, got millions, bro to help me next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me out I'm losing my insurance. Okay, alright, alright,

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