WEBVTT - How GPS Works

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's here too. Jerry's at Cabin in the

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<v Speaker 2>from the future.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, And we are going to take a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of minutes here at the head of the show to

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<v Speaker 1>pay tribute to HowStuffWorks dot com founder Marshall Brain, who

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<v Speaker 1>passed away last November at the age of sixty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he is the guy who started at all and

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<v Speaker 2>it's really hard to understate the impact that that guy

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<v Speaker 2>had on our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just about Marshall. He was an electrical engineer, had

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<v Speaker 1>a Bachelor of Science. He was a longtime professor he State,

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<v Speaker 1>and in nineteen ninety eight he founded as a hobby

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<v Speaker 1>HowStuffWorks dot Com because he wanted to. He had a

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<v Speaker 1>very pure goal, which was to make complex things understandable

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<v Speaker 1>and relatable to everyday people. And that is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we still do. We were hired as writers there.

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<v Speaker 1>I never met Marshall personally. I think I saw him

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<v Speaker 1>come through the office a couple of times early on,

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<v Speaker 1>but I never had the pleasure of actually sitting down

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<v Speaker 1>with the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I met him a couple of times. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>good guy. He I think some of his first articles.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the first one might have.

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<v Speaker 3>Been like how air conditioning works?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, remember Scooby Doo. We did an episode on Scooby

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<v Speaker 2>Doo based on one of his articles.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that Marshall?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah totally Oh interesting, But yeah, he was a very

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<v Speaker 3>good guy.

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<v Speaker 2>And without him, I can tell you I would not

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<v Speaker 2>be podcasting, And if I were, it probably wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>a very good podcast because you and I would have

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<v Speaker 2>never met, and I would have never met. Like the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that Marshall came along and founded How Stuff Works

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<v Speaker 2>set my destiny in a lot of ways. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really grateful to him for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for both of us. He was also an author.

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<v Speaker 1>One of his books is called The Doomsday Book, colon

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<v Speaker 1>the science behind Humanity's Greatest Threats, something that Josh has

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<v Speaker 1>particular interest in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a transhumanist, down with Nick Bostrom and all

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<v Speaker 2>those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Marshall was also a TV host. He eventually

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<v Speaker 1>was the director of NC State's Engineering Opportunities Program, which

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<v Speaker 1>helped mentor aspiring inventors, and Marshall was survived by his wife, Leanne,

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<v Speaker 1>his four kids, David, Arena, Johnny, and Ian, and their

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<v Speaker 1>dog Summer. And it was just really sad to hear

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<v Speaker 1>the news because, like you said, Marshall wouldn't for him,

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<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't be here now. And we'd like to think

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<v Speaker 1>we're still carrying on his tradition of making complex things accessible.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to think that too. Yeah, So here's to you, Marshall,

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<v Speaker 2>rest in peace. And as tribute, we chose an article,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the few ones that we hadn't recorded, that

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<v Speaker 2>that Marshall wrote originally on GPS. And this is like

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<v Speaker 2>bread and butter Marshal brain stuff. There's engineering, there's science.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some more engineering, uh huh, there's figuring things out

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<v Speaker 2>with circles and diameters and stuff like that, like straight

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<v Speaker 2>up Marshal stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, classic Marshal, classic house stuff works. And even though

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<v Speaker 1>our show is kind of grown and more, if it's

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<v Speaker 1>fun to go back and do these every now and then.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure. So let's get started, shall we.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, GPS tells you where you are the end,

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<v Speaker 1>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's word for word Marshall's article.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's actually sounds intimidating, but it's really not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pretty simple process, believe it or not.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, surprisingly, But what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Overall, GPS is a as Marshall wrote, a space based

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<v Speaker 1>radio navigation system that technically GPS is the one that

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<v Speaker 1>the US government owns. If you had lived in another country,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not called GPS, it's called a GNSS.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Global Navigation Satellite system is the generic term. And

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<v Speaker 2>GPS has become like the Kleenex of global navigation satellite systems,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's the proprietary eponym.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. But you know, that's what the system is

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<v Speaker 1>that tells you where you are when you take out

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<v Speaker 1>your little smartphone and say where in the world am

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<v Speaker 1>I or how in the world do I get somewhere?

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to get somewhere, they got to know

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<v Speaker 1>where you are at that moment, and that's why you

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<v Speaker 1>can do that twenty four seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And GPS is owned and operated by the American government,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's paid for by the American taxpayers. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>used worldwide. I think out of eight points something billion

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<v Speaker 2>people on the planet today, six billion of them use

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<v Speaker 2>GPS every day. So it's America's gift, I think, is

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm trying to say, because if anything, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>America is known for. It's like creating things and giving

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<v Speaker 2>it away to the rest of the.

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<v Speaker 3>World for free.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we'll see what happens with that. You never know,

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<v Speaker 1>but right now, that's the current situation. They do this

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<v Speaker 1>with satellites at least twenty four. Usually there's more than thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>And if wherever you are on Earth, if you had

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<v Speaker 1>you know, super super long vision, you could look up

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<v Speaker 1>and see four of these bad boys with your eyeballs

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<v Speaker 1>because you got to have those four to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>where you are for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Technically you just need three, but let's not get into

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<v Speaker 2>that right now. Okay, So those satellites are up a

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<v Speaker 2>medium Earth orbit about eleven thousand miles above Earth. They

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<v Speaker 2>circle it constantly. They're not geostationary, so they circle the

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<v Speaker 2>Earth and they rise and set I guess every twelve hours,

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<v Speaker 2>so twice a day. They're like the tides basically, and

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<v Speaker 2>the GPS satellites are just one component. There's three components.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a satellite component, there's the control component, which is

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground, the Space Force runs GPS, so they're

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<v Speaker 2>constantly tracking, monitoring, telling satellites what to do, like really

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<v Speaker 2>bossing them around. And then the third component is you,

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<v Speaker 2>the person using GPS, or more technically your receiver that

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<v Speaker 2>is telling you where you are in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the important part, because I've tried. I've gone

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<v Speaker 1>out there without a phone and just shouted up where

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<v Speaker 1>am I nothing?

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, get a phone.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the cool things about GPS is this was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of roughly figured out a long time before we

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<v Speaker 1>even had satellites. There was a doctor, doctor Ivan Getting,

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<v Speaker 1>who is a physicist and American, who basically said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, you could find out someone's three D

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<v Speaker 1>coordinates if you use radio signals and just calculated the

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<v Speaker 1>time it takes for those signals from different sources to

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<v Speaker 1>reach a single point on Earth and that's GPS basically.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And the people around Getting, especially his greatest critics, were like, oh, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you going to do that? There's nothing up

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<v Speaker 2>in space, you jerk, How are you going.

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<v Speaker 3>To do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, just wait, And they sat around and

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<v Speaker 2>they waited, I don't know how long. They waited for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, and they finally went home, and then a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years after that, the Soviets came to the

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<v Speaker 2>rescue in a certain weird way. They launched Sputnik, and

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<v Speaker 2>in America, in the United States, it was not a

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<v Speaker 2>happy time. They called it the Sputnik crisis because basically

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, we thought the Soviets were just like

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<v Speaker 2>some backwater backwards country, and all of a sudden they

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<v Speaker 2>were the first ones to launch a satellite into space,

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<v Speaker 2>and it took us by surprise. But doctor Getting's theory

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<v Speaker 2>was able to be put into use because American scientists

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<v Speaker 2>figured out that you could track Sputnik because it's radio signals.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know quite how to put it. Let's say

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<v Speaker 2>they engaged in the Doppler effect. They dabbled in Doppler

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<v Speaker 2>so that when the satellite was moving away from you,

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<v Speaker 2>the frequency that reached you here on Earth was different

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<v Speaker 2>than the frequency when the satellite was moving towards you,

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<v Speaker 2>or when the satellite was just stationed above you. So

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<v Speaker 2>they figured out that you can track satellites based on

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<v Speaker 2>these radio signals, and that gave the initial rise to GPS,

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<v Speaker 2>which is you need to track the satellites to know

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<v Speaker 2>where they are because that is an essential piece of

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<v Speaker 2>information for GPS, and that kind of led to people saying, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get getting's idea off the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally, yeah, literally, off the ground and into space. Sputnik

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<v Speaker 1>was October fifty seven, and a couple of years later

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<v Speaker 1>we said, oh, yeah, we'll see your Sputnik and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>raise it five satellites or I guess raise it four

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<v Speaker 1>for a total of five satellites.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, all aces, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was nineteen sixty I'm sorry. In nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>seven they had really precise clocks on board these satellites.

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<v Speaker 1>And then just five years, six years after that, in

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three, Navstar was formed and that is the system,

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<v Speaker 1>the program that is GPS basically. And then we said,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, now, it's just gonna take this about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years to figure all this out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nineteen ninety five, the whole thing was finally operational.

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<v Speaker 2>They just kept shooting up satellites and tinkering with it

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<v Speaker 2>and get it going. And I wish we would have

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<v Speaker 2>kept the name Navstar. I think it's a little cooler

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<v Speaker 2>than GPS, but I don't know, maybe it sounds a

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<v Speaker 2>little more hostile or assertive. So GPS is probably okay.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to talk about assertive. What about space.

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<v Speaker 3>Force Space forces? I don't know, it's space Forces. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the name.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like a movie. It does, like a mel Brooks movie.

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<v Speaker 3>It us.

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<v Speaker 2>But so we called the GPS and there were two

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<v Speaker 2>versions that they released at the same time. One was

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<v Speaker 2>L one. That bandwidth was used for civilian purposes, everything

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<v Speaker 2>from well, if you weren't in the military, let's say

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<v Speaker 2>you used L one, If you were in the military

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<v Speaker 2>used L two.

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<v Speaker 3>It's much more.

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<v Speaker 2>Precise out of the gate. But the entire reason that

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<v Speaker 2>this went from what I think was originally a military

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<v Speaker 2>project intended just for use by the military, to one

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<v Speaker 2>where everybody who had a GPS receiver could use it

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<v Speaker 2>for free, was actually based on a tragedy that occurred

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen I think eighty three with Korean Airlines Flight

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<v Speaker 2>zero zero seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a flight intended to go from New

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<v Speaker 1>York to Seoul. To get there, they were flying over

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<v Speaker 1>Alaska and still today we don't really know why, but

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<v Speaker 1>it veered off course about two hundred miles into Soviet airspace.

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<v Speaker 1>This was not a great area of Soviet airspace to

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<v Speaker 1>be near because it was near some secret military installations,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they scrambled a couple of fighter jets, Soviets

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<v Speaker 1>did miggs I reckon, and they tried to contact the plane,

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<v Speaker 1>could not get in touch, and then down the plane

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<v Speaker 1>with a missile and killed everybody, two hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 1>nine people. I remember this. I was twelve. Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, of course I didn't understand something

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<v Speaker 1>like that fully at twelve, but I remember it being,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all across the news.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, having been raised in the United States and being twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen eighty three during the Cold War.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you were so mad at the Rusky Comis

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<v Speaker 2>for doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, oh man. There was probably a song on

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<v Speaker 1>FM radio that you know, encapsulated this. Oh I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>like that a DJ made, you know, not a real song,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, There were so many It used to be

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<v Speaker 1>such a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. Weirdly, it was a thing. But I'll

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<v Speaker 2>bet it was the survivor that sang the song.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Probably. What I don't fully get now. What I

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<v Speaker 1>do get is that, you know, airplanes and air airlines

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<v Speaker 1>have GPS on their airplanes, so they don't do this now.

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<v Speaker 1>But why did that like broaden it to the public

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<v Speaker 1>at large, Like, couldn't they have just said, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's for the military and for the FAA.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they just thought that there were other potential tragedies

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<v Speaker 2>that they couldn't foresee that could be gotcha.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's one thing that I'm not it's in Ronald

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan's head, right, I just don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. So, we have one GPS system, which is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a problem. We don't have a backup yet, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we'll talk a little bit about that more later.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is more than one GPS because it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like China and Russia are like, hey, we'll just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>use your GPS when we want to bomb something.

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<v Speaker 3>We want to shoot a missile at you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. So China and Russia and the EU all

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<v Speaker 1>have their own GPS, and I think they all have

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<v Speaker 1>backups even and we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it just takes too many floppies to back up

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<v Speaker 2>our GPS.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're just.

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<v Speaker 2>Going without right now. Yeah, you want to take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's take a break. I think it's a fantastic setup.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and when we come back, we're gonna really wing

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<v Speaker 2>it by trying to explain how GPS works.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So if you want to geo locate something

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<v Speaker 1>or somebody you're gonna need and you're on Earth, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can just use longitude and latitude and that'll do

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good job.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>GPS is like, hey, what if you want to find

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<v Speaker 1>out where you are relative to C level, we can

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<v Speaker 1>do that and you can't longitude and latitude. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>GPS does that with microwaves. They decided not to use

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves for reasons we'll talk about, but they use

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<v Speaker 1>microwaves sent down to Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>They do.

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<v Speaker 2>And so these microwaves I've seen both, Chuck, I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>that they're constantly beaming transmissions like basically uninterrupted from the satellites,

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<v Speaker 2>or that they do it like on a repeating pattern.

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<v Speaker 2>Regardless however this information arrives, it contains a few really

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<v Speaker 2>important pieces of information. And one thing we should point

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<v Speaker 2>out apparently there's a misunderstanding that a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>think when you open up like your location services or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever on your phone, your GPS antenna ping satellites, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not the case. It passively listens for GPS, the four

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<v Speaker 2>GPS satellites broadcasting constantly or intermittently, and it picks them

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<v Speaker 2>up right, and so the information it gets is the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a really important component. And we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>before about atomic clocks and just how ridiculously precise they are,

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<v Speaker 2>and on a GPS satellite there's multiple atomic clocks that

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<v Speaker 2>are keeping time together and to make sure that they

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<v Speaker 2>stay synchronized. And then the satellite sends its own location.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently they figure out their location using celestial landmarks like quasars,

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<v Speaker 2>so the satellite knows where it is at all times,

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<v Speaker 2>so it can tell you or your GPS receiver. And

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<v Speaker 2>then there's a satellite ID that says I'm me and

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<v Speaker 2>that is good.

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<v Speaker 1>Enough, that's right, And that is in the form of

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<v Speaker 1>a pseudorandom code. And one of the cool parts about

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<v Speaker 1>that is it it's going to tell you like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming from this satellite. Here's my pseudorandom code. But

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<v Speaker 1>it also uses us a slightly differently all frequency, so

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<v Speaker 1>the frequencies don't jam one another. So all these satellites,

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<v Speaker 1>because the frequencies are just slightly varied, can all talk

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<v Speaker 1>to each other because you don't want satellites up there

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<v Speaker 1>jamming each other.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but they can also talk to you too, virtually

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, if not at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>because don't forget, you're getting information from four different satellites

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out where you are. So you don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to get one from one wait a couple of minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>get one from the other. You want them all to

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<v Speaker 2>be coming in basically at the same time, and by

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<v Speaker 2>slightly altering their frequencies, they can all arrive.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. And this is one final bit of key key

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<v Speaker 1>information here. All these satellites, great, they're beaming microwaves down. Fine,

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<v Speaker 1>If we didn't know how fast those microwaves traveled, then

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<v Speaker 1>none of that would do us any good. We have

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<v Speaker 1>to know exactly how fast that stuff travels in order

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<v Speaker 1>to measure a distance, and in this case, we know

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<v Speaker 1>that electromatic wave microwaves travel at speed of light one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighty six two hundred and eighty two miles

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<v Speaker 1>per second.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So now they have all the basic information. I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is why you were saying at the outset.

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<v Speaker 2>This is actually kind of a simple.

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<v Speaker 3>Setup. GPS is if you take it.

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<v Speaker 2>So if that satellite sends you an information piece of

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<v Speaker 2>like a signal, and it says I sent this exactly

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<v Speaker 2>at one forty five pm and it arrives at one

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<v Speaker 2>forty five pm and one second. And you know that

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<v Speaker 2>microwaves travel at the speed of light, you can use

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<v Speaker 2>that information to calculate the distance between you and the satellite. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>when you know that the satellite is located here in space,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you figure out your distance from the satellite,

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<v Speaker 2>you start to have your first piece of information about

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<v Speaker 2>where you are. Because now you know where you are

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<v Speaker 2>relative to one satellite. That's not enough information to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you where you are on Earth, but it's a real

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<v Speaker 2>good start.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And you might be thinking like, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>what about stuff getting in the way, Like if this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is supposed to be exact, then you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>about a tall building or what about you know, weather

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<v Speaker 1>in space like that can throw all this off, right, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's true. But they have a very pretty brilliant

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<v Speaker 1>workaround for that. One method is called differential GPS, And

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<v Speaker 1>they have these antenna on Earth that are that are

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<v Speaker 1>locked in. They're stationary, They're not going anywhere. We know

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<v Speaker 1>exactly where they are. They're called known points for that reason,

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<v Speaker 1>and since we know exactly where those are, they're receiving

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<v Speaker 1>these transmissions from GPS, and so they can calculate whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not the location is off and that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if this thing is locked in place, but the calculation

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the GPS is off by a little bit, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it must have gone through some thick shrubbery or bounced

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<v Speaker 1>off a building or something. But either way, we're locked

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<v Speaker 1>in place. So we know exactly what that should be,

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<v Speaker 1>and thus we'll know what that discrepancy is and we

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<v Speaker 1>can account for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, once that that nome point has that discrepancy, it

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<v Speaker 2>sends that out, that information out to all the GPS

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<v Speaker 2>receivers in the area, so they can use it to

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<v Speaker 2>adjust their own GPS readings that they're getting from those

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<v Speaker 2>satellites that were slightly off. But they didn't have any

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<v Speaker 2>way to remedy it. Now they do because the nome

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<v Speaker 2>point is like, hey, so like be as off? I like, right,

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<v Speaker 2>nano seconds, don't tell it, but yeah, I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to let you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and hey, listen, I won't tell everybody. I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>adjust it on my end and they'll never know that.

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<v Speaker 2>You screwed up, right, And also there's something in your teeth, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Gross cale is so gross.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't like gail.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't. I have to choke it down. And gross

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<v Speaker 3>is the wrong word. It's just too harsh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, too much kale, like a salad with only kale,

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<v Speaker 1>or like God forbid you eat a bag of kale

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<v Speaker 1>chips like this, you would die.

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<v Speaker 3>You wouldn't be able to breathe any longer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's too much at once. Yes, oh boy, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>so now we get to try lateration. Take it away, friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, you're the trilateration expert between us. Let's tell

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<v Speaker 2>everybody what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first of all, let me explain that try lateration

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<v Speaker 1>is not the same as triangulation, because we're not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about ankles. We're talking about distance. And somewhere in there

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<v Speaker 1>is the key of where I was screwing up. Because

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<v Speaker 1>you had sent me this and very elegant, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>simple to explain.

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<v Speaker 3>Way, Hey, this is lot, this is Marshall.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll have Marshall brain. It was explained about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like a Venn diagram, three circles overlapping and then the

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<v Speaker 1>point where they overlap is where you are. We'll explain

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<v Speaker 1>that more thoroughly. But I was just drawing three random circles,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, three random circles don't always intersect it

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<v Speaker 1>a point, right, Like they might overlap in an area,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the center of that area maybe is what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. But then I realize you can't just

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<v Speaker 1>draw three random circles and expect them to have a

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<v Speaker 1>tangent point because they don't always. Right in the case

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<v Speaker 1>of GPS, I guess it's just a very exact measurement

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<v Speaker 1>from one place to another, and in that case they

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<v Speaker 1>will intersect.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, Okay, So I think you should also tell

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<v Speaker 2>everybody that when you sent me a picture of your

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<v Speaker 2>three circles with.

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<v Speaker 3>The like the part where they overlap, they all overlap.

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<v Speaker 2>You would put a point in there re morote bingo

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<v Speaker 2>with an exclamation point.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, case, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Thought I really figured out something here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you may have discovered something else that we're

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<v Speaker 2>not aware of yet, So I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone will tell us just put it to this.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think like you might have just intended like

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<v Speaker 2>a new way of calculating things.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm sure there's a name for it, and some

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.320
<v Speaker 1>science person's gonna say, oh, chuck, that's just blank.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish they would because I don't know either. But

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<v Speaker 2>I like, it's off to you because man, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how many circles. I guess you probably drew

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to get this to work. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>blame you. I was smart and was like, there's madness there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to try to understand this as best

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<v Speaker 2>I can. I'm not going to try it myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a freaking compass at one point because you

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<v Speaker 1>were like, it's because the circles are willy nilly, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, I'll draw them perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So well, let's talk about trilateration because in theory,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's very simple. And the way that Marshall

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<v Speaker 2>described it was, let's say you're lost. You're in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, and you ask somebody where you are, and

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<v Speaker 2>that person says you are six hundred and twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>miles from Boise, Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>And you say, thanks a lot. That doesn't tell me much, right.

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<v Speaker 3>You actually push them down as they're walking away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 2>After you get away, you're chased by the police, but

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<v Speaker 2>you make it down an alley and hide behind some

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<v Speaker 2>garbage cans as they pass by. You have a good idea,

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<v Speaker 2>you go buy a man and you spread out your map.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you buy a compass as well, I'll a chuck,

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<v Speaker 2>and you draw a circle around Boise, Idaho, using Boise

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<v Speaker 2>as the center point that is six hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five miles in diameter, or at least represents that by scale, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And you're like, Okay, I am somewhere on this circle

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<v Speaker 2>that has a diameter of six hundred and twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>miles around Boise. Kind of helpful, it's a little bit

0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.399
<v Speaker 2>narrowed it down, but I need more information. So you

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<v Speaker 2>go find somebody else and you say, hey, do you

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<v Speaker 2>know where I am?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this where I could come in?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, well I'm not going to tell you that, but

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<v Speaker 1>how about this. You're six hundred and ninety miles from Minneapolis.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>At least they didn't repeat the Boise thing, right, because

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<v Speaker 2>if they said that, you'd just be like, man, that

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<v Speaker 2>didn't help it all. But now you know where you

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<v Speaker 2>are from Minneapolis, and you can do the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>with Minneapolis using that as the center point of a circle.

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<v Speaker 2>You draw one a circle with a radius of six

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 2>hundred ninety miles around Minneapolis. Now you're really close because

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:09.639
<v Speaker 2>what you'll find is the circle around Boise and the

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<v Speaker 2>circle around Minneapolis.

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<v Speaker 1>They overlap, right, Yeah, you get little football in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like a ven diagram. And if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at a ven diagram where those two circles overlap, there's

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<v Speaker 2>two points where they intersect, right where they cross each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Those lines cross each other. And because you are six

0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty five miles from Boise and six hundred

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:39.240
<v Speaker 2>and ninety miles from Minneapolis, you are somewhere where those

0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:42.440
<v Speaker 2>two circles overlap. With those two points, one of those

0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:44.880
<v Speaker 2>is right, the other is off by hundreds of miles,

0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 2>So you still need to narrow.

0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:47.200
<v Speaker 3>It down right.

0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:51.159
<v Speaker 1>So you're like, is there one more wiseacre in this

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.600
<v Speaker 1>town who will tell me? By not telling me where

0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:56.919
<v Speaker 1>I am where I am right? And so you go

0:24:56.960 --> 0:25:00.520
<v Speaker 1>into this final the only other gas station in town. Guys,

0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Someone told me how six to twenty five from Boise

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:05.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't help much. Someone else said six' ninety from Minneapolis.

0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:07.439
<v Speaker 1>Please just tell me where I am. They said, oh, oh,

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:10.440
<v Speaker 1>you're six hundred and fifty miles from Tucson val.

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.359
<v Speaker 2>Do you just trash the place at this point.

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just lay waste. You find the nearest broom,

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:17.240
<v Speaker 1>and you just start knocking everything.

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:22.879
<v Speaker 3>Off the shelves. My collector beer steins. All right.

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 1>So now you got three circles though, And this is

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:27.920
<v Speaker 1>where I got super tripped up because I was like,

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 1>oh cool, let me draw this out. And I drew

0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 1>it out, and I was like, these don't intersect it

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:34.919
<v Speaker 1>at a common point, right, But if you're using exact

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:39.480
<v Speaker 1>GPS calculations distance from a satellite or in this case,

0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:44.200
<v Speaker 1>points on a map, then that's that's you know exactly

0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 1>where you are because it's going to intersect it at

0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:48.679
<v Speaker 1>only one place. At three points.

0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all three circles will overlap with one another, so

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:56.399
<v Speaker 2>they intersected two different points. Each circle intersects with the

0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:58.879
<v Speaker 2>other at two points, but all three of them will

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 2>only intersect it one single point. And you have just

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 2>trilater related your position. Now you know where you are.

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:08.840
<v Speaker 2>And Marshall said, this is Denver, by the way, that's

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.239
<v Speaker 2>where you are is Denver. Because I think if we

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:13.880
<v Speaker 2>hadn't have included that, some people would have been really upset.

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you knew you're in Denver because you can't

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:18.120
<v Speaker 1>catch your breath and it smells like weed everywhere.

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:20.679
<v Speaker 3>That's right, And now you have to figure out what

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 3>to do even though you're dead.

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and liberals and conservatives are smashed together and everyone's like,

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:27.440
<v Speaker 1>what kind of state is this?

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 3>It is? It's crazy like that, isn't it?

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I love Colorado. I think it's interesting that way.

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 2>It's like all of these shows we've done in Denver.

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 2>It's like a wedding, like split.

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:38.919
<v Speaker 3>Down the middle.

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:41.879
<v Speaker 2>The people on one half of the room all have

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:45.920
<v Speaker 2>guns out. The other half are all playing Hackey Sack. Right,

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:48.399
<v Speaker 2>it's an interesting place.

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.399
<v Speaker 1>And one guy goes, hey, you ever try to shoot

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 1>a Hackey sack? Admit air watch this kind of fun.

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So let's trilater elation. That's two D trilater relation,

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:01.479
<v Speaker 2>because what you've done has found your If you were

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 2>a flat point and the Earth was flat, which it's not,

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:06.600
<v Speaker 2>that's all we would need to do. But the Earth

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 2>is a sphere. It's round, and so what GPS uses

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 2>is three D trilateralation, which rather than flat circles, it

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:18.880
<v Speaker 2>uses spheres. And when the three or four usually could

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 2>use four satellites where those spheares all intersect the one

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 2>point that's where you are, because now you not only

0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 2>know where you are longitudinal latitudinally, you also know where

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 2>you are at altitudinally.

0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:35.919
<v Speaker 1>My friend, I hate to break it to you, but

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:40.119
<v Speaker 1>you did the old Josh Clark insert an extra consonant.

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 3>Thing, trilateralizational.

0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:44.719
<v Speaker 1>It's trilateration, I know.

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 2>And I've been wanting to say trilateralization for so long.

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Well you aren't even taking it out. You were saying trilateralation.

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, So.

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Now that's three ways.

0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:59.160
<v Speaker 3>So trilateration, trilateration.

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:03.440
<v Speaker 2>That sounds made up like space force, I know, all right,

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 2>trilateration isation, yeah, elie station.

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 3>So that's it.

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:12.679
<v Speaker 2>That's how you figure out well, I should say, that's

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 2>how your GPS receiver figures that out. It has it

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:18.200
<v Speaker 2>knows where those three or four satellites are because they

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 2>tell it where they are. It figures out the distance

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 2>between you the in your receiver for each of those four,

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:28.440
<v Speaker 2>and it tells it, oh, here's where I am, because

0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 2>here's where all those that information intersects.

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Right, And I think you mentioned the spheres while I

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>was obsessing about the extra l right, Yes.

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I did, Okay, And there's a really pretty image out there.

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember what website I found it on, but

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 2>if you search like how GPS trilateration works, it will

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 2>come up, I'm sure. But it shows like the four

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 2>spheres created by the satellites and they're all in four

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 2>different primary colors and it's so pretty.

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 3>I saw it.

0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I understand that there are three primary colors, but

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 2>whatever the fourth one is, it's basically a primary color

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 2>as far as I'm concerned.

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, should we take our second break?

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>I think so, Chuck. We earned it with that trilater

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 2>relation trilateration explanation exploration.

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 3>We'll be right back, okay, Chuck.

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 2>So there's one other thing, kind of like a little sidebar.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.560
<v Speaker 2>I felt what we should talk about. If you've ever

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 2>tried to figure out where you are and your phone's like,

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 2>turn on Wi Fi and we'll get a better reading.

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I've never understood that until you explained it.

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 2>So what it's trying to do is it's prompting you

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 2>to turn on your Wi Fi based positioning system. And

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 2>that is based essentially on the same thing that doctor

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 2>getting was getting at, which is you can use information

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 2>from different sources in comparing those sources to figuring out

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 2>where you are, and so rather than using satellite information

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 2>this it bases it on the known strengths of different

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Wi Fi network towers, antenna and so, depending on how

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 2>strong one signal is compared to where you are, in

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:42.960
<v Speaker 2>addition to comparing it to another signal, and another signal

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 2>and another signal. It's like, oh, you're you're in Denver, right.

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>You don't know how dumb I am.

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you're dumb, and I know you're not dumb,

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 2>but let's hear what.

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 3>You have to say.

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I say this out loud at the risk of losing

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>listeners that might be new listeners are like, I can't

0:30:58.040 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 1>listen to this guy.

0:30:58.800 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh this is really dumb.

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Up until said yesterday, whenever my phone or my car

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:06.719
<v Speaker 1>or something said that, you know, turn on your Wi

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Fi to improve accuracy of your location. It's like, I'm

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 1>not near my house. What is this thing asking me

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 1>to do. I'm not near my WiFi.

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 3>You weren't like, you're not the boss of me.

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 1>No, I was just that's pretty dumb.

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>It's not everywhere. It doesn't have to be your house

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Wi Fi.

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 2>So yes, that's one way it does it, and it

0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 2>does it in your house too, but that's because your

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 2>router is a big blabbermouth and tells everybody where you are.

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 2>So I not get it.

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 1>It's like they don't know I'm not near my house.

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Why is it asking me to turn on my wife?

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 3>So stupid?

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy? All right, So, speaking of the opposite of stupid,

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 1>your smartphone? How accurate are those things? When GPS first

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 1>started they said, and this was again like ninety five ish,

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 1>they said it's gonna be accurate to within one hundred

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 1>meters ninety five percent of the time, which at the

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>time was like, hey, that's not bad at all, Like

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 1>that gets me in the in the neighborhood of where

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to be. They've gotten much much better now

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:14.320
<v Speaker 1>they say two meters within two meters of six point

0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>six feet, but it's really closer than that. They did

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 1>some measuring in twenty twenty one and the global average

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>across all users was about just a little more than

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 1>two feet. And you know again that that depends on

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things. If it's got tall buildings in

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the way, space, weather, atmospheric conditions, Apparently, like a really

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 1>dense like jungle canopy or a thick shrubbery can actually

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>degrade the accuracy of that signal.

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got a hickory tree. Well ts for you

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 2>because GPS isn't gonna work.

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Is that a thick tree, thick canopy?

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 3>I would, Yeah, I think so. I mean it's a

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 3>known shade tree.

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:53.959
<v Speaker 1>No a, oh, it's a uh, it's a it's a KST.

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Put it on the If it could broadcast information, it

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 2>would also be a known point.

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 2>So there's a there's a couple of other things that

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 2>can mess with your GPS signal coming from the satellite

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 2>because remember I said that they navigate celestially. Well, if

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the Earth's position itself relative to the satellite, satellite can

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 2>know where it is. But if the Earth shifts a

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 2>little bit, like the magnetic core slashes around just enough

0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 2>that the Earth kind of wobbles a little bit, or

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 2>if the c currents are particularly strong, it can like

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 2>slow the rotation of the Earth. Those things, I mean,

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 2>just the tiniest, tiniest changes can alter the accuracy of

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the signal that it gets. But that's just the signal

0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>that they're like, we're going to get you within six feet.

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 3>They don't guarantee.

0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Your receiver, and your receiver typically adds a little bit

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 2>of inaccuracy. I think five meters is usually what you

0:33:56.520 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 2>what you're going to get from like your average dumb gpsceiver.

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I get. I mean, it's amazing we're here

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.320
<v Speaker 1>because if you're like GPS to just say this is good.

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>If you're five feet away from the restaurant or your

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 1>friend and you don't see them, that's on you.

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:15.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just look up.

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 3>So we're getting better though, you know.

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Now, No, it's getting I mean I imagine they're going

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 1>to have it. I think March twenty four. If you're

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 1>an ideal, if it's clear skies, you're out in the

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:29.839
<v Speaker 1>middle of the desert or something, they can they can

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 1>be as accurate as thirty centimeters.

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Which is five double A batteries end to end. We're

0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 2>going to get even better than that, though, chuck, because

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 2>right now there's some really good GPS antenna that are

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 2>starting to pop up in smartphones, and those those are

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:51.879
<v Speaker 2>dual band, dual band, dual frequency receivers. One of those

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 2>two and that uses the L one, the standard civilian

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 2>GPS band that has been around since the beginning but

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 2>has gotten better over time. And it also uses the

0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 2>new wiz Bang L five and this is like the

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:09.919
<v Speaker 2>next generation of GPS. It's not widespread enough yet. There's

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 2>not enough satellites out there that are L five for

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 2>an intended to just rely on that. But when you

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 2>put L one and L five together, it gets pretty good.

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 2>The thing is is you might ask yourself, like, why

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:27.520
<v Speaker 2>would you need to get like within centimeters of the

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 2>restaurant that you're going to. It doesn't make sense. Well,

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:34.440
<v Speaker 2>some people use GPS for more than just finding the

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 2>restaurant that they're going to.

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. And your parents and grandparents might be

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 1>using their garments still, so just have patients with them.

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 2>I think that garment was actually one of the original

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 2>GPS devices.

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's still being used in certain cars in

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 1>certain people's families.

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Are those things even supported any longer?

0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Man. It's pretty funny though. It's like

0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 1>looking at at a MySpace web page or something when

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.359
<v Speaker 1>you look at it. Oh, Ben, it is, But yes,

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 1>I took us off task. You were talking about other

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 1>things that this is used for a lot we talked

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 1>about landing airplanes. That's pretty important. Accuracy is pretty important,

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe not down to the centimeter, but if you want

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 1>to track soil moisture, you can do that via GPS.

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 1>If you want to measure the size of a glacier

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 1>and whether it's shrinking or moving, you can do that

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:30.320
<v Speaker 1>very very accurately, and not just sort of ballpark things anymore.

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Migration patterns. If you want to see where that school

0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:39.359
<v Speaker 1>of whales is headed and how they know when they

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>get there, and how far there are from where they started,

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 1>you can do that with great accuracy.

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:44.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Also things use it to basically stay in position, like

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:52.160
<v Speaker 2>modern agricultural equipment like harvesters, they go in a straight

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:56.239
<v Speaker 2>line by themselves thanks to really precise GPS. Same as

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<v Speaker 2>self driving cars. Oh sure, yeah. Like apparently it's just

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 2>grown so ubiquitous and so reliable that contractors use it,

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:11.799
<v Speaker 2>like like digital blueprints will have GPS coordinates for like

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 2>a nail or an electrical outlet or something like that,

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 2>so you can know exactly where that thing's gonna go,

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Which I mean that's got to cut down on construction

0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 2>costs and time dramatically.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought the thing on tunneling was kind of cool.

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I never really thought about that. But if you're tunneling

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<v Speaker 1>through two sides of a mountain to ideally meet in

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 1>the middle and have a one long tunnel, that's not

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 1>one tunnel with a little zigzag in the middle because

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:40.920
<v Speaker 1>they were off by a little bit. You can do

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 1>that down to the centimeter, you know, or thirty centimeters rather.

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a tunnel that goes through a mountain with like

0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:47.240
<v Speaker 2>a hairpin turn.

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 3>In the middle area.

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 1>That sounds great.

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 2>And if you put all this stuff together, all these

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 2>different uses for GPS, which again the American taxpayers give

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:59.360
<v Speaker 2>to the world for free, it generated I think in

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty ninety four billion dollars worth of stuff, right,

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:07.720
<v Speaker 2>all of that receivers that were sold, all the tunnels

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.400
<v Speaker 2>that were drilled correctly, Like, all that stuff came to

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 2>generate ninety four billion dollars and in the next five

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 2>years it's expected to hit almost three hundred billion. So

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a big deal. Like, we rely on GPS a lot,

0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:25.839
<v Speaker 2>and so because we rely on something this much, and

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 2>because like you said, we don't have a backup of

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 2>GPS in particular.

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 3>It can be pretty delicate.

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 2>I guess you could say to put it delicately, because

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.440
<v Speaker 2>it can get screwed up pretty bad, pretty easily, and

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 2>in fact, on a very local level, you or I

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 2>could go screw up somebody's GPS for fun anytime we wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a little disconcerting to learn. I thought like, oh, well,

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:58.760
<v Speaker 1>surely this thing has just some weird, robust government shield

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 1>that can be hacked, right, And that's not true. In

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 1>fact the military, I mean it's part of military, just

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 1>regular operations to jam GPS for another country, they're planes

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and drones, or to spoof it is when you send it,

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:18.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, jam it and make it nonoperable. But you're like, oh,

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:21.800
<v Speaker 1>here's some fake coordinates that you're going to think are real, right, Yeah,

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 1>like they do that all the time. Countries do that

0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>to us all the time. But like you said, any

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 1>schmow that's got three hundred bucks can get a software

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 1>defined radio and figure out how to use it and

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 1>jam somebody's GPS. And so your neighbor's walking around wondering

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 1>where that restaurant is.

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I know, they're like a Friday's, right, I want to

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:46.280
<v Speaker 2>go to Bennigan's. Yeah, so you were talking about spoofing. Apparently,

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Iran in twenty nineteen, just for kicks, spoofed British cargo

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 2>ships GPS and told that it was in international waters

0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 2>when really they had drifted into Iranian waters. So Ron

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:02.920
<v Speaker 2>was like, Oh, you're our ship now, and you're our

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 2>crew now. And they held the whole thing for ten

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:06.800
<v Speaker 2>weeks just by being jerks.

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:07.320
<v Speaker 3>Apparently.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't figure out what the point would have been

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 2>for that, other than to flex.

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is a little odd. I'm sure somebody knows,

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:17.600
<v Speaker 1>or maybe it was a flex.

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:20.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the kids still say that, right, they flex.

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh you're asking the wrong guy.

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:23.799
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well let's say they do.

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Ruby says things I don't understand, and I

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:26.919
<v Speaker 1>just don't even ask.

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:32.279
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know my niece Mila was schooling a

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 2>son slang and I'm like, there's no context for that.

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I'm trying to think

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 2>of one example. I know I'm gonna get wrong.

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:47.760
<v Speaker 1>No cap no, something like skibbity Oh uh, Skibbity's toilet.

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:48.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and I.

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Understand, yes it's a web video or whatever, but the

0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 2>videos itself make no sense whatsoever too.

0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Hey, you know all we did in the eighties

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:01.880
<v Speaker 1>was short and awesome, to OUs and unass.

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:03.719
<v Speaker 3>That our big contribution that was.

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:06.120
<v Speaker 1>As sophisticated as we got. I don't know about the

0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:06.880
<v Speaker 1>skippity stuff.

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I don't mean to complain. I mean the

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:11.520
<v Speaker 2>generation like builds on the mask, comes up with its

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 2>own stuff. I'm happy about that. I just don't understand it.

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the point I think.

0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, I think you're right, actually, and I'm kind

0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:21.239
<v Speaker 2>of hurt by that.

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's you know, kids and teens come up

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:25.719
<v Speaker 1>with their own language, so adults don't know what the

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 1>heck we're talking about, and they can laugh behind our backs. Yeah,

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:29.799
<v Speaker 1>we did the same thing.

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 3>I didn't.

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 1>We said that's very unaus and our parents were like,

0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:34.440
<v Speaker 1>what are they saying?

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:36.759
<v Speaker 3>I can't make heads or tails of it.

0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Airlines can get jammed. There was a study that found

0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 1>intentional jamming of airlines was a problem in three regions

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:51.240
<v Speaker 1>only three. More than seventy thousand flights were jammed between

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:56.799
<v Speaker 1>February and August of twenty twenty two. And that you know,

0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 1>once you jam it up, you can't reset it. Like

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:01.960
<v Speaker 1>that plain Lands and then the unjamming happens.

0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:03.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to turn the whole thing off and

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:07.240
<v Speaker 2>reset everything. You can't just reset the GPS antenna.

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:09.799
<v Speaker 1>And they need to work out all that stuff, don't

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:10.240
<v Speaker 1>you think.

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:13.960
<v Speaker 2>They definitely do. But something about those flights being jammed,

0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:17.279
<v Speaker 2>Those are civilian flights being jammed by bad actors and

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 2>sometimes governments and militaries. So what you're trying to do,

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.200
<v Speaker 2>essentially is to crash a plane full of people.

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:25.840
<v Speaker 3>Like that's your shot. It's not like a really.

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Dedicated shot at it, but that's pretty much the goal

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:32.879
<v Speaker 2>of doing that to an airliner.

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you have no idea how much I put

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:38.360
<v Speaker 1>my hand over my mouth when you said bad actors,

0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:40.720
<v Speaker 1>and I almost shouted out a few names of actors.

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 3>Who are you gonna name?

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 1>No, I can't because you know, you never know people

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:48.440
<v Speaker 1>might listen to this. Where I'm sensitive to hurting people's

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:49.680
<v Speaker 1>feelings now here in my fifties.

0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:51.799
<v Speaker 3>I think that's great, man, Well text me some names

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:53.879
<v Speaker 3>then I will. Okay.

0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 2>There's another thing that spoofing, I believe I think they

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:04.320
<v Speaker 2>spoofing for it is to cheat at games like Pokemon Go. Yeah,

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 2>where you can fake where your own GPS coordinates are

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 2>to say like, oh, I'm at the I don't know

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Pikachu's layer or something like that. So give me the

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 2>egg that Pikachu's guarding, which I can turn into like

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:21.279
<v Speaker 2>some ski ball tickets and get a comb.

0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Or skibbity toilet. I hope that doesn't mean something dirty, right.

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:30.720
<v Speaker 2>It means nothing from what Mela's told me, Like, it's

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 2>just basically a thing you say. Okay, I hope I'm

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 2>not outing Mela is uncool though.

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm just glad that you have someone in your

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 1>life that's a down with that kind of stuff, because

0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:44.880
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty vital these days.

0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's vital that I know that

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 2>skibbity toilet exists.

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:52.319
<v Speaker 1>But maybe not that. But Skibbity toilet has its own

0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:53.279
<v Speaker 1>Wikipedia entry.

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I believe it. Have you seen the videos though

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 3>that it's based on.

0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:59.880
<v Speaker 1>No, But I see a screenshot now and their MESMERI

0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:02.680
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't pull me in.

0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 2>You should watch a second or two of it. You

0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 2>don't need to watch much. You get the gist of

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.160
<v Speaker 2>it really quick. But it's like like you'll find that

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:12.280
<v Speaker 2>your mouth is open, not in awe, but just because

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:16.839
<v Speaker 2>you're like you're glazed over right. So, like you said,

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:21.759
<v Speaker 2>the United States is not unaware of the vulnerability. That

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:25.240
<v Speaker 2>was what I was saying. It was in a delicate position.

0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 2>It's vulnerable. It's a very vulnerable system, and you know,

0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:33.920
<v Speaker 2>like globally and also locally. So they are taking steps

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 2>to update it and that is going to come in

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:41.680
<v Speaker 2>the form of adding more and more L five satellites.

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:45.280
<v Speaker 2>But for now, if you want to be a little shocked,

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:50.120
<v Speaker 2>taking into consideration how dependent we are a GPS, the

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:53.759
<v Speaker 2>average age of a GPS, specifically the United States is

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Global Positioning System satellites is thirteen years.

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:01.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is real the old for a satellite.

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 2>But Chuck tell him how old the oldest satellite in

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 2>the constellation of GPS satellites is.

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Uh, that would be twenty seven years old, is that right?

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yes, that thing has circopania. Oh I guess that's

0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 3>it for GPS. Huh.

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:26.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. This was more fun than I thought. And you

0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:28.239
<v Speaker 1>know what, I'm glad we had some fun and had

0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:32.879
<v Speaker 1>some laughs because it feels like a lighter tribute for Marshall. Yeah,

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:34.120
<v Speaker 1>something else for sure.

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully we made you proud, Marshall, and thanks again for everything.

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:42.719
<v Speaker 2>And since we said thanks to Marshall Brain and I

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:44.279
<v Speaker 2>think it's time for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call this forget Rice. How about some peace

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:53.280
<v Speaker 1>and love? Hey, guys, A big fan of the show.

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 1>I love listening when training for marathons and loved the

0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:59.279
<v Speaker 1>recent marathon episodes. While listening to the history of refrigeration,

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the Rice method for managing a musculo skeletal injury was mentioned.

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Did you know guys that in twenty twenty the medical

0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 1>world throughout the Rice method and transitioned it to Peace

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 1>and Love.

0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:16.759
<v Speaker 3>I don't even remember mentioning that, let alone knowing that

0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:17.319
<v Speaker 3>did bit.

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I think I probably did so for peace and love.

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<v Speaker 1>We have protection avoid activities at cospain for two to

0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 1>three days elevation. The A is avoid anti inflammatories because

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:33.239
<v Speaker 1>apparently that reduces healing, and you should avoid ice too.

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:37.120
<v Speaker 2>I have heard that that anti inflammatories are actually not

0:46:37.360 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 2>very good for you.

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:41.799
<v Speaker 1>I just I never take those anyway, because I don't

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 1>really need to.

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:45.840
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, lucky, some people really need them.

0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I know. I'm sure where I was a so down

0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 1>to c compression e education, which is avoid a necessary

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.880
<v Speaker 1>passive treatments. Your body will heal, so I guess educate yourself.

0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 3>They were like, you really need an e here.

0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah basically, and then we and is not spelled out,

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:09.680
<v Speaker 1>but love is load. Let your pain be your guide, optimism,

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:17.000
<v Speaker 1>condition your brain, vascularization, pain free cardio and exercise, restore

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:21.640
<v Speaker 1>mobility through active approach. And Sarah says this is a lot.

0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 1>I hope people can learn to avoid ice and anti

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:27.920
<v Speaker 1>inflammatories for optimal recovery. But it's having a hard time

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:28.319
<v Speaker 1>catching on.

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<v Speaker 3>And I imagine why.

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<v Speaker 1>That is from Sarah pt bird Nerd Hollingsworth and she's

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<v Speaker 1>a bird nerd and loves our bird episodes.

0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:39.840
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. Thanks Sarah, way to spread the good word.

0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:42.360
<v Speaker 2>I know there's a lot of good advice and information

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:44.880
<v Speaker 2>in there, but it's just going to take months of

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:49.880
<v Speaker 2>digesting that information to try to figure out those acronyms. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to be like Sarah and put something

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.160
<v Speaker 2>on our radar that we weren't aware of before, we

0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:56.880
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0:47:57.000 --> 0:48:00.359
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