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Speaker 1: School of Humans. Oh my god, Hello everyone, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another episode of Cadaver Gals, the show where we talk

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Speaker 1: about the many ways people have died throughout history to

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Speaker 1: cope with our own mortality. It's true crime, it's history,

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Speaker 1: it's gross. Who. I'm Gabby, and we also have Taylor

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Speaker 1: Hey and Nika Hi. And on today's show, we're going

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Speaker 1: to hear about the twenty six Martyrs of Japan, who

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Speaker 1: were in fact twenty six people in fifteen ninety seven

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Speaker 1: hear about a more recent death and murder involving a

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Speaker 1: just to name a few things. With Who What Fun

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Speaker 1: And as always, we have some content warnings. Don't worry

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Speaker 1: this week we're not going to talk about anything involving horses,

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Speaker 1: as we've gotten feedback from a few people saying how

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Speaker 1: gross that episode was. So I'm so sorry for that,

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Speaker 1: but I don't apologize. I think that was very informant.

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Speaker 1: I apologize. Nika doesn't gab you. Somewhere in the middle,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand my ground. It's like, I'm sorry, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sorry. I wish I could be sorry, but I'm

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Speaker 1: mostly sorry to Taylor about that episode. But today we

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Speaker 1: do have some other content warnings. We're gonna be talking

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Speaker 1: about Christianity, crucifixion, and all the bullshit that goes along

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Speaker 1: with that. Murder, murder, murder, genital mutilation, other body mutilation,

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Speaker 1: chopping up bodies, and just some rape, cannibalism, some cannibalism. Um,

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Speaker 1: So this fucking show, it's gonna be a whirlwind of grossness.

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Speaker 1: So strap in secure your gag reflex and let's have

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Speaker 1: a terrible time together. This is cadavergaus. We're actually this

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Speaker 1: is Curb your enthusiasm. Welcome to our show. Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: back from our clown theme song. Nika, how did you

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Speaker 1: describe it? It was like a clown being eaten by

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Speaker 1: an alligator. Yeah. I described it as it's like a

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Speaker 1: come to visit him, that's what's playing. That's a real

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Speaker 1: specific Yeah. Actually, a guy in a shack made it,

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Speaker 1: not me, A guy who lives in a shack. In this,

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Speaker 1: So we're going to start out with Taylor telling us

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Speaker 1: about these martyrs in Japan. And it is a fun

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Speaker 1: and flirty story from what I can surmise so far.

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Speaker 1: So Taylor take it away, yes, okay, So as I

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Speaker 1: like to do, we're going back to my favorite time

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Speaker 1: this is exactly what these Portuguese travelers did. So basically

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Speaker 1: they were these three dudes and they land on a

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Speaker 1: their goal was to trade goods and introduce Christianity. Yeah

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Speaker 1: there are some like sexy jesuits. We love that. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: the trading was actually pretty successful. They brought textiles and silk, woolcotton,

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Speaker 1: Did they bring disease, I'm sure, but they brought they

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Speaker 1: It's musket that's our new hashtag, hashtag musket moments. And

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Speaker 1: love some drama. We do love some drama. So I

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Speaker 1: was reading about this woman, stop bragging about So I

422
00:24:47,725 --> 00:24:52,445
Speaker 1: was reading Taylor took an art history course. You were reading.

423
00:24:53,525 --> 00:24:59,165
Speaker 1: I got two into archaeology with you. That's true. Actually,

424
00:24:59,205 --> 00:25:01,685
Speaker 1: Gabby plays more instruments than like the both of us combined.

425
00:25:01,765 --> 00:25:03,525
Speaker 1: So I don't want to hear it. I'm very talented.

426
00:25:03,605 --> 00:25:07,125
Speaker 1: You're right, Okay, moving on exactly. No negative self talk here,

427
00:25:07,445 --> 00:25:11,445
Speaker 1: so we only talk about murder. So, um, this woman,

428
00:25:11,525 --> 00:25:15,445
Speaker 1: she was this Egyptian woman called Amima Nelson, and she

429
00:25:16,045 --> 00:25:20,325
Speaker 1: grew up in Kaido, in the slums of Egypt, kind

430
00:25:20,325 --> 00:25:23,325
Speaker 1: of like outskirts of Kaido in the sixties. And she

431
00:25:23,405 --> 00:25:27,525
Speaker 1: eventually ended up killing her husband obviously, and that's I'm

432
00:25:27,565 --> 00:25:30,805
Speaker 1: not spoiling anything because we've been knowing that, but the

433
00:25:31,005 --> 00:25:33,925
Speaker 1: way that she did it, Slash, where she comes from

434
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Speaker 1: is kind of the most interesting part. So I kind

435
00:25:36,165 --> 00:25:38,405
Speaker 1: of want to just take y'all through it. If you're

436
00:25:38,405 --> 00:25:41,765
Speaker 1: okay with that, tah ready for it? Oh good, I'd

437
00:25:41,805 --> 00:25:45,085
Speaker 1: always love getting like positive reinforcement. Whatever. We were just like, no,

438
00:25:46,325 --> 00:25:49,885
Speaker 1: and thanks for listening to the show today. No more story,

439
00:25:51,045 --> 00:25:54,485
Speaker 1: so okay, okay. So she grew up in the slums

440
00:25:54,565 --> 00:25:58,085
Speaker 1: in the sixties in Egypt, and her family was pretty poor.

441
00:25:58,485 --> 00:26:01,525
Speaker 1: She was abused by her stepfather and by her uncles,

442
00:26:01,725 --> 00:26:03,925
Speaker 1: and so she just like did not have a good

443
00:26:03,965 --> 00:26:08,165
Speaker 1: time growing up. She went through this process called genital mutilation,

444
00:26:08,685 --> 00:26:11,285
Speaker 1: which is an illegal procedure but basically what it is,

445
00:26:11,325 --> 00:26:14,045
Speaker 1: there's like four different types and they all range from

446
00:26:14,085 --> 00:26:16,365
Speaker 1: this is going to oh this it really hurts to

447
00:26:16,445 --> 00:26:19,285
Speaker 1: like read this, but um growing from crucifixion to this.

448
00:26:19,445 --> 00:26:23,005
Speaker 1: But I'm sure people are loving this right now. Yeah, yeah,

449
00:26:23,045 --> 00:26:26,845
Speaker 1: I'm horrified by this. I really couldn't stomach reading about

450
00:26:26,885 --> 00:26:29,325
Speaker 1: general mutilation more than like a couple of minutes at

451
00:26:29,325 --> 00:26:33,205
Speaker 1: a time because it's just so horrifying, but it can

452
00:26:33,725 --> 00:26:36,645
Speaker 1: do it be anywhere from like removal of the clitterus

453
00:26:36,685 --> 00:26:42,085
Speaker 1: to incisions, sealing the labia and other kind of damage

454
00:26:42,325 --> 00:26:47,045
Speaker 1: to the woman's genitals essentially, and it's it's I mean, yeah,

455
00:26:47,045 --> 00:26:49,965
Speaker 1: it's a total human rights violation. And it's actually was

456
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Speaker 1: made illegal in twenty in two dozen and eight in

457
00:26:52,725 --> 00:26:55,445
Speaker 1: Cairo or in yeah, in Egypt, but there was a

458
00:26:55,525 --> 00:26:58,245
Speaker 1: survey in twenty fourteen that showed the ninety two percent

459
00:26:58,285 --> 00:27:00,765
Speaker 1: of women in Egypt still like have gone through some

460
00:27:00,845 --> 00:27:04,205
Speaker 1: form of it, which is just absolutely insane. Obviously, it

461
00:27:04,245 --> 00:27:08,085
Speaker 1: causes a lot of physical and mental trauma. It makes

462
00:27:08,085 --> 00:27:11,125
Speaker 1: sex or even going to the bathroom or things like

463
00:27:11,165 --> 00:27:14,645
Speaker 1: that extremely painful, and it's just like something that's I'm

464
00:27:14,685 --> 00:27:18,205
Speaker 1: sure excruciating and really hard to live with and to

465
00:27:18,285 --> 00:27:22,085
Speaker 1: live through. So she went through that, as many women

466
00:27:22,205 --> 00:27:26,645
Speaker 1: back then in Egypt did. She grew up. She turned eighteen,

467
00:27:26,685 --> 00:27:29,245
Speaker 1: and when she was eighteen, she met this guy who

468
00:27:29,325 --> 00:27:32,045
Speaker 1: was like an oil businessman and he was in Egypt

469
00:27:32,125 --> 00:27:34,645
Speaker 1: for work and they ended up getting married. He was

470
00:27:34,685 --> 00:27:37,285
Speaker 1: an older man, but her mom kind of told her, listen,

471
00:27:37,285 --> 00:27:39,765
Speaker 1: you need to get out of here and so essentially

472
00:27:39,885 --> 00:27:43,125
Speaker 1: she married this older man, went back to live with

473
00:27:43,205 --> 00:27:46,605
Speaker 1: him in nineteen eighty six in Texas, and then got

474
00:27:46,605 --> 00:27:48,925
Speaker 1: divorced a couple of months later. So she was alone.

475
00:27:49,005 --> 00:27:51,005
Speaker 1: She was in the US. She did in New English.

476
00:27:51,125 --> 00:27:55,925
Speaker 1: She had no prospects essentially, and was just totally isolated

477
00:27:55,965 --> 00:27:59,365
Speaker 1: from family or her ex husband or anything. And she

478
00:27:59,405 --> 00:28:01,965
Speaker 1: was there in Texas. So she started kind of taking

479
00:28:01,965 --> 00:28:05,085
Speaker 1: odd jobs. She was really beautiful and at this point,

480
00:28:05,765 --> 00:28:08,645
Speaker 1: this is like the eighties, she was very model lesque

481
00:28:08,685 --> 00:28:11,685
Speaker 1: and she was very quote unquote exotic looking, and so

482
00:28:11,725 --> 00:28:16,845
Speaker 1: she started doing like amateur modeling, slash nannying, slash cleaning houses,

483
00:28:17,005 --> 00:28:20,045
Speaker 1: just odd jobs. But kind of the main thing that

484
00:28:20,245 --> 00:28:22,485
Speaker 1: she did is that she would go from town to town,

485
00:28:23,245 --> 00:28:26,725
Speaker 1: find rich men at like bars, usually date them and

486
00:28:26,805 --> 00:28:30,125
Speaker 1: move in with them very quickly, and then many times

487
00:28:30,525 --> 00:28:35,925
Speaker 1: rob them is essentially what she would do. And yeah,

488
00:28:36,085 --> 00:28:39,285
Speaker 1: it sounded so normal until that, you know, modeling part

489
00:28:39,405 --> 00:28:43,685
Speaker 1: time meeting even like targeting rich guys at a bar

490
00:28:43,925 --> 00:28:48,125
Speaker 1: seems normal and then robbing them. Okay, yeah, yeah, there

491
00:28:48,205 --> 00:28:51,245
Speaker 1: was this one report from her exes that she tied

492
00:28:51,365 --> 00:28:55,365
Speaker 1: him up and robbed him while threatenaing him with a shotgun.

493
00:28:55,565 --> 00:29:00,125
Speaker 1: So she kind of like live this really insane lifestyle

494
00:29:00,165 --> 00:29:02,445
Speaker 1: for a while. And I mean part of me is

495
00:29:02,445 --> 00:29:07,725
Speaker 1: like I get it survival, so like people have to survive.

496
00:29:07,805 --> 00:29:10,085
Speaker 1: And she had no prospects, like I understand. I'm not

497
00:29:10,085 --> 00:29:12,405
Speaker 1: saying it's okay. I'm just like that was her headspace.

498
00:29:12,885 --> 00:29:15,605
Speaker 1: So a few years passed like this, and then in

499
00:29:15,725 --> 00:29:18,845
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one she met this guy called Bill Nelson,

500
00:29:19,205 --> 00:29:24,525
Speaker 1: and he was this character. He was huge, like very tall,

501
00:29:24,645 --> 00:29:27,125
Speaker 1: pretty big. He drove this red Corvette and he had

502
00:29:27,405 --> 00:29:31,325
Speaker 1: cowboy boots and he had a lot of money. Corvette, Corvette, Corvette.

503
00:29:31,325 --> 00:29:33,605
Speaker 1: What's the dance. I don't know. I feel like I

504
00:29:33,645 --> 00:29:36,605
Speaker 1: know this man, like he I've seen this man, you

505
00:29:36,685 --> 00:29:39,565
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, oh no, no, yes, men

506
00:29:39,645 --> 00:29:41,805
Speaker 1: are out there like that. They just love to flaunt

507
00:29:41,805 --> 00:29:48,285
Speaker 1: their money. He movie, I don't know. He used to fly,

508
00:29:48,965 --> 00:29:50,925
Speaker 1: he was like a pilot, and then he started using

509
00:29:51,325 --> 00:29:55,005
Speaker 1: his pilot license to smuggle marijuana, so he got that revoked.

510
00:29:55,085 --> 00:29:57,245
Speaker 1: I think he spent some time in jail actually, and

511
00:29:57,285 --> 00:30:00,285
Speaker 1: then um got out and got this really lucrative job

512
00:30:00,645 --> 00:30:04,645
Speaker 1: working at a mortgage insurance company. Yeah out a mortgage company. Yeah,

513
00:30:04,685 --> 00:30:08,205
Speaker 1: that's the drug pipeline. You start drug dealing when you're

514
00:30:08,245 --> 00:30:13,085
Speaker 1: waiting insurance. You know, it just happened, absolutely, the white

515
00:30:13,165 --> 00:30:17,365
Speaker 1: drug dealers story. Yes, the American dream, if you will.

516
00:30:17,725 --> 00:30:20,285
Speaker 1: So they met in Orange County, California, in a bar.

517
00:30:20,685 --> 00:30:23,645
Speaker 1: They immediately hit it off because she's this beautiful twenty

518
00:30:23,685 --> 00:30:27,445
Speaker 1: three year old, you know, amateur model who like barely

519
00:30:27,445 --> 00:30:31,485
Speaker 1: speaks English but clearly knows how to get what she

520
00:30:31,525 --> 00:30:33,925
Speaker 1: wants out of men essentially. And then he's this you know,

521
00:30:33,965 --> 00:30:36,165
Speaker 1: fifty six year old guy who just loves to flaunt

522
00:30:36,525 --> 00:30:41,285
Speaker 1: money and women and just live large. Okay, it's like

523
00:30:41,405 --> 00:30:44,605
Speaker 1: he's living his life. Sounds like a toxic relationship in

524
00:30:44,645 --> 00:30:49,525
Speaker 1: the making wells to personalities. I know it gets worse.

525
00:30:50,045 --> 00:30:52,885
Speaker 1: So they quote unquote fall in love and then get

526
00:30:52,925 --> 00:30:55,765
Speaker 1: married within a few weeks. So she is like, I

527
00:30:55,805 --> 00:30:58,645
Speaker 1: have made it. She's like, this is this is my plan.

528
00:30:58,725 --> 00:31:01,365
Speaker 1: I've gotten married. I'm happy about this. So up until

529
00:31:01,405 --> 00:31:05,045
Speaker 1: this point she had only been dating these men, but

530
00:31:05,285 --> 00:31:09,765
Speaker 1: this time she decided, let's let's figure out, let's move in,

531
00:31:09,925 --> 00:31:16,045
Speaker 1: let's get married, let's and so yeah, she met her

532
00:31:16,165 --> 00:31:19,325
Speaker 1: husband's family. They did not really like her. They like

533
00:31:19,405 --> 00:31:22,525
Speaker 1: went to his ranch in Texas. Like this man was

534
00:31:22,525 --> 00:31:25,685
Speaker 1: was making good money. So after a month honeymooning and

535
00:31:25,765 --> 00:31:29,085
Speaker 1: his ranch, they go back to Costa Mesa, California and

536
00:31:29,125 --> 00:31:31,685
Speaker 1: settle in in their apartment, which also I find that funny,

537
00:31:31,685 --> 00:31:33,245
Speaker 1: which is like, bro, you have a ranch, but you

538
00:31:33,285 --> 00:31:35,525
Speaker 1: have to be in an apartment. Then again, California is

539
00:31:35,525 --> 00:31:41,125
Speaker 1: real expensive. Um, I don't judge. So they settle into

540
00:31:41,205 --> 00:31:46,285
Speaker 1: his apartment. It is Thanksgiving week and things get a

541
00:31:46,325 --> 00:31:52,285
Speaker 1: little messy, a little dicey, what you say, Yes, dicey

542
00:31:52,845 --> 00:31:56,485
Speaker 1: is the word. So it's Thanksgiving day. Bill calls his

543
00:31:56,685 --> 00:31:59,725
Speaker 1: daughter to invent her over for Thanksgiving dinner. She was

544
00:31:59,765 --> 00:32:02,285
Speaker 1: her name is Margaret, she's still today and she was

545
00:32:02,325 --> 00:32:05,165
Speaker 1: fifteen at the time. She says no, She's said, it's

546
00:32:05,245 --> 00:32:07,925
Speaker 1: very much like the fuck you dad, like you you know,

547
00:32:08,245 --> 00:32:12,205
Speaker 1: she could be my sister kind of thing. So she

548
00:32:12,285 --> 00:32:14,605
Speaker 1: said no. That was the last time that she ever

549
00:32:14,685 --> 00:32:18,565
Speaker 1: heard from her dad again. Now, according to the medical examiner,

550
00:32:19,285 --> 00:32:22,405
Speaker 1: so Bill died obviously. So Bill's cause of death was

551
00:32:22,445 --> 00:32:26,525
Speaker 1: actually multiple blunt force injuries to his skull and it

552
00:32:26,565 --> 00:32:29,885
Speaker 1: seems like omma beat him with a lamp and an

553
00:32:29,885 --> 00:32:34,085
Speaker 1: iron and he was also found with ligature marks consistent

554
00:32:34,125 --> 00:32:37,765
Speaker 1: with being tied to bedposts. But what happened to his

555
00:32:37,845 --> 00:32:41,245
Speaker 1: actual body and the way that she tried to dispose

556
00:32:41,285 --> 00:32:46,285
Speaker 1: of it? Y'all? Literally Bill's body was found in pieces. Yeah, oh,

557
00:32:46,325 --> 00:32:50,405
Speaker 1: we love this detail. So before we get into exactly

558
00:32:50,445 --> 00:32:53,725
Speaker 1: what happened, we're going to take another quick break, you know,

559
00:32:53,845 --> 00:32:56,365
Speaker 1: take a breather. There's a lot of gross stuff happening,

560
00:32:56,405 --> 00:32:58,485
Speaker 1: a lot of gross stuff that's coming up, So we'll

561
00:32:58,525 --> 00:33:04,205
Speaker 1: be right back. Okay, we're back cadaver gals, and Nico

562
00:33:04,365 --> 00:33:07,845
Speaker 1: was just saying that Bill was literally found in pieces.

563
00:33:07,965 --> 00:33:12,645
Speaker 1: So Nika, what actually seemed to happen? Like what like,

564
00:33:12,725 --> 00:33:17,685
Speaker 1: how did he die? And then what happened afterwards? Yeah,

565
00:33:17,805 --> 00:33:21,565
Speaker 1: so I'm going to describe his body and how the

566
00:33:21,605 --> 00:33:24,525
Speaker 1: body was found first, and then we can backtrack into

567
00:33:25,125 --> 00:33:28,685
Speaker 1: what police thing happened. Slash what a mimas said happened.

568
00:33:29,365 --> 00:33:32,805
Speaker 1: Ultimately we will never know, but here we go. He

569
00:33:32,925 --> 00:33:36,165
Speaker 1: was dismembered, and according to the medical examiner, it was

570
00:33:36,205 --> 00:33:38,165
Speaker 1: as if someone had done this before because it was

571
00:33:38,205 --> 00:33:41,845
Speaker 1: cut with such precision. His hands were found inside of

572
00:33:41,885 --> 00:33:45,645
Speaker 1: a deep friar in with pieces of turkey deep friar

573
00:33:46,045 --> 00:33:50,645
Speaker 1: with the turkey. M oh yeah, happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, gobble

574
00:33:50,685 --> 00:33:56,485
Speaker 1: gobblew his torso. His torso was skinned and it was

575
00:33:56,525 --> 00:34:02,525
Speaker 1: on a clothing hanger, bleeding out in the bathroom. Yeah, yeah,

576
00:34:02,685 --> 00:34:09,125
Speaker 1: like a swimsuit like you're you Gabby. Yes. There were

577
00:34:09,325 --> 00:34:13,285
Speaker 1: trash bags all around the apartment and they were full

578
00:34:13,325 --> 00:34:16,685
Speaker 1: of pieces of him and his head which looks like

579
00:34:16,725 --> 00:34:18,445
Speaker 1: it might have been burned as well, so like put

580
00:34:18,445 --> 00:34:21,325
Speaker 1: in the deep friar as well, was in the freezer

581
00:34:21,605 --> 00:34:24,805
Speaker 1: next to frozen vegetables, which I just for me, the

582
00:34:24,845 --> 00:34:29,205
Speaker 1: combination of dead body and food everywhere is just that's

583
00:34:29,285 --> 00:34:31,365
Speaker 1: kind of what's getting me right now. Well, like cooking

584
00:34:31,365 --> 00:34:34,205
Speaker 1: it with the food is what's killing me. And also

585
00:34:34,845 --> 00:34:37,045
Speaker 1: they're saying this seem like because of the cuts, it

586
00:34:37,045 --> 00:34:39,485
Speaker 1: seemed like she had previous experience with this, but it

587
00:34:39,525 --> 00:34:44,525
Speaker 1: seems pretty disorganized. Yeah, piece Like I don't know, this

588
00:34:44,685 --> 00:34:47,245
Speaker 1: is like an amateur alb I mean, it's all over

589
00:34:47,325 --> 00:34:49,925
Speaker 1: the place. Well, but you still have to be precise

590
00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:52,285
Speaker 1: and to like cut those pieces off what she did

591
00:34:52,285 --> 00:34:55,285
Speaker 1: with them is very chaotic. Yeah, I think she was

592
00:34:55,285 --> 00:34:57,445
Speaker 1: just frantically trying to get rid of the body and

593
00:34:57,525 --> 00:35:00,605
Speaker 1: so like for example, there was a lot of human

594
00:35:00,685 --> 00:35:04,325
Speaker 1: flesh and human parts in the garbage disposal, and it

595
00:35:04,365 --> 00:35:07,005
Speaker 1: turns out that the neighbor had heard it running for

596
00:35:07,045 --> 00:35:10,245
Speaker 1: two days. Bill was found three days after Thanksgiving Day,

597
00:35:10,285 --> 00:35:13,965
Speaker 1: right because he had an apartment so exactly here and yeah,

598
00:35:13,965 --> 00:35:16,365
Speaker 1: and the neighbors just heard it running and churning and

599
00:35:16,485 --> 00:35:19,605
Speaker 1: churning and churning. Oh, they didn't know what it was.

600
00:35:19,725 --> 00:35:22,445
Speaker 1: I know, Oh no, And they found out that it

601
00:35:22,525 --> 00:35:28,245
Speaker 1: was her chopping yap, and oh m, yep, yep. He

602
00:35:28,325 --> 00:35:32,565
Speaker 1: was also castrated, which I just find really intense and

603
00:35:33,085 --> 00:35:35,925
Speaker 1: the most horrifying or one of the most horrifying details

604
00:35:36,085 --> 00:35:38,525
Speaker 1: from this case, in my opinion, is that one hundred

605
00:35:38,565 --> 00:35:41,685
Speaker 1: pounds of his body still have not been found, like

606
00:35:41,725 --> 00:35:44,565
Speaker 1: to this day. Like they weighed out all of the

607
00:35:44,565 --> 00:35:47,685
Speaker 1: parts that they found in multiple places, and one hundred

608
00:35:47,685 --> 00:35:50,205
Speaker 1: pounds was still missing. That could have gone down in

609
00:35:50,245 --> 00:35:52,685
Speaker 1: the garbage disposal. That could have I don't know, maybe

610
00:35:52,685 --> 00:35:55,085
Speaker 1: she threw something out the toilet, like we do not know.

611
00:35:55,685 --> 00:35:58,525
Speaker 1: But that's just insane to me. How do you lose

612
00:35:58,565 --> 00:36:02,285
Speaker 1: one hundred pounds of human flesh? I do not know. Oh, well,

613
00:36:02,325 --> 00:36:07,485
Speaker 1: you could eat it. People surmise, which is what people survives.

614
00:36:08,325 --> 00:36:13,005
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to how she was found because

615
00:36:13,165 --> 00:36:16,405
Speaker 1: there were also parts of him in that situation. She

616
00:36:16,525 --> 00:36:21,325
Speaker 1: was driving her red Corvette to her ex's apartment. Was

617
00:36:21,365 --> 00:36:24,365
Speaker 1: it her corvette or his? Or was it was it

618
00:36:24,445 --> 00:36:27,925
Speaker 1: was his corvette. So she drove her ex husband's red

619
00:36:27,965 --> 00:36:31,925
Speaker 1: corvette with his remains and trash bags in the car

620
00:36:32,525 --> 00:36:35,725
Speaker 1: to her ex boyfriend's apartment and she knocked on his

621
00:36:35,765 --> 00:36:38,805
Speaker 1: door and she said, I need your help. I have

622
00:36:38,885 --> 00:36:41,925
Speaker 1: accidentally killed my husband. I will give you seventy five

623
00:36:41,925 --> 00:36:45,285
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and two motorcycles if you help me to

624
00:36:45,405 --> 00:36:49,285
Speaker 1: dispose of the body. Two motorcycles. Yeah, exactly, And so

625
00:36:49,325 --> 00:36:51,645
Speaker 1: he was like, okay, let me think about it, thought

626
00:36:51,645 --> 00:36:53,845
Speaker 1: about it, said okay, I'm gonna go get a truck

627
00:36:53,845 --> 00:36:56,045
Speaker 1: and I'll meet you in the parking lot and we'll

628
00:36:56,085 --> 00:36:58,205
Speaker 1: figure this out together. She was like, oh, my hero.

629
00:36:59,485 --> 00:37:02,805
Speaker 1: Turns out he called the cops while she was waiting,

630
00:37:03,285 --> 00:37:05,325
Speaker 1: and the cops come up to the parking lot and

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Speaker 1: obviously catch her red handed, literally with the body part,

632
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Speaker 1: trash bags, blood on her, like the whole shebang. She

633
00:37:13,645 --> 00:37:17,245
Speaker 1: was arrested and yeah, the guy never made his seventy

634
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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. But that's okay. I you know, I

635
00:37:21,285 --> 00:37:23,765
Speaker 1: don't think I've want seventy five thousand dollars. If I

636
00:37:23,805 --> 00:37:27,925
Speaker 1: have to do that personally, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would

637
00:37:27,925 --> 00:37:32,365
Speaker 1: probably do it for a couple million. Oh I would not,

638
00:37:32,485 --> 00:37:35,085
Speaker 1: because then you'd have that on your conscious the whole time,

639
00:37:35,205 --> 00:37:37,245
Speaker 1: like the rest of your life. And also someone's going

640
00:37:37,285 --> 00:37:40,005
Speaker 1: to probably catch you. You know, we've all exactly, we've

641
00:37:40,005 --> 00:37:42,045
Speaker 1: all seen TV. You wouldn't be able to join me

642
00:37:42,045 --> 00:37:45,285
Speaker 1: and Nika in heaven since that's where we're going, exactly.

643
00:37:45,845 --> 00:37:49,685
Speaker 1: So that is how she was caught, and she just

644
00:37:50,565 --> 00:37:53,645
Speaker 1: like lost it the moment she was arrested. She said

645
00:37:53,685 --> 00:37:57,125
Speaker 1: that her husband was on a business trip, that the

646
00:37:57,405 --> 00:38:02,165
Speaker 1: human organs were not his, and then eventually she was like, well,

647
00:38:02,645 --> 00:38:05,285
Speaker 1: he raped me and he like kept me in a

648
00:38:05,525 --> 00:38:08,965
Speaker 1: bed for days, and like everything was in self defense.

649
00:38:09,045 --> 00:38:13,045
Speaker 1: And her version of how everything played out is that

650
00:38:13,285 --> 00:38:16,205
Speaker 1: basically he had tied her up to the bed and

651
00:38:16,445 --> 00:38:20,405
Speaker 1: raped her, and then she finally got like a hand

652
00:38:20,445 --> 00:38:23,565
Speaker 1: loose and grabbed the lamp and hit him with it,

653
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Speaker 1: and then she said that she doesn't remember dismembering him

654
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Speaker 1: or gutting his stomach or taking out his organs or

655
00:38:31,805 --> 00:38:34,725
Speaker 1: stuffing them in freezer or frying his hands, like she

656
00:38:34,765 --> 00:38:37,765
Speaker 1: doesn't remember any of that. She basically blacked out. Later,

657
00:38:37,925 --> 00:38:41,725
Speaker 1: she was interviewed by this court appointed psychologist, and she

658
00:38:41,845 --> 00:38:44,485
Speaker 1: told the psychologist that she had cooked his ribs and

659
00:38:44,565 --> 00:38:47,405
Speaker 1: barbecue sauce and that they were this is a quote

660
00:38:47,885 --> 00:38:55,365
Speaker 1: so sweet. The psychologist diagnosed her as experiencing PTSD and psychosis. Basically,

661
00:38:55,725 --> 00:38:58,765
Speaker 1: She obviously later recanted this, and she says again she

662
00:38:58,805 --> 00:39:02,805
Speaker 1: doesn't remember dismembering him. But then throughout, like the process

663
00:39:02,845 --> 00:39:06,205
Speaker 1: of finding her guilt, she said at time times that

664
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Speaker 1: Egyptian spirits told her to dismember him and were like

665
00:39:10,925 --> 00:39:16,325
Speaker 1: controlling her basically because according to Egyptian mythology, if you

666
00:39:16,525 --> 00:39:20,125
Speaker 1: dismember or like kind of spread parts of someone, they

667
00:39:20,165 --> 00:39:23,685
Speaker 1: can't go into the afterlife. Is kind of also something

668
00:39:23,685 --> 00:39:26,565
Speaker 1: that she was saying. She basically tried to blame PTSD

669
00:39:27,045 --> 00:39:31,045
Speaker 1: and abuse and self defense, but it's really hard because

670
00:39:31,365 --> 00:39:36,325
Speaker 1: a lot of her personal injuries were not being beaten injuries,

671
00:39:36,325 --> 00:39:39,085
Speaker 1: and they were not injuries consistent with rape. They were

672
00:39:39,165 --> 00:39:43,405
Speaker 1: injuries consistent of like someone trying to chop someone off

673
00:39:43,445 --> 00:39:47,165
Speaker 1: and maybe accidentally like getting like cuts or bruises or whatever,

674
00:39:47,325 --> 00:39:49,805
Speaker 1: but they just and there was no evidence of sexual

675
00:39:49,805 --> 00:39:52,845
Speaker 1: assault either on her body. Well, also because like the

676
00:39:52,885 --> 00:39:56,045
Speaker 1: psychiatrist had said that, she said that she had put

677
00:39:56,085 --> 00:39:59,205
Speaker 1: on like an outfit too for all this, that she

678
00:39:59,245 --> 00:40:01,885
Speaker 1: had put on red shoes, red hat, and red lipstick

679
00:40:02,445 --> 00:40:06,125
Speaker 1: before she chopped up and cooked the body, dressed up

680
00:40:06,125 --> 00:40:10,965
Speaker 1: for the occasion, according to the psychiatrist. Yeah, she said that.

681
00:40:11,205 --> 00:40:14,765
Speaker 1: She told the psychiatrist that, or like, how long after

682
00:40:15,245 --> 00:40:19,165
Speaker 1: did she go to her ex husband to say, hey,

683
00:40:19,205 --> 00:40:21,685
Speaker 1: can you help me? Or her ex boyfriend or her

684
00:40:21,725 --> 00:40:24,685
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend? Yeah, her ex boyfriend. Yeah, the third day

685
00:40:24,725 --> 00:40:28,085
Speaker 1: of her husband being dead, like and that's when she

686
00:40:28,165 --> 00:40:30,365
Speaker 1: was found. That could have been my birthday. My birthday

687
00:40:30,405 --> 00:40:33,285
Speaker 1: is around Thanksgiving, that's all you're thinking of, Taylor. Oh

688
00:40:33,325 --> 00:40:39,125
Speaker 1: my god, Well it's just her. No, it's just like

689
00:40:39,245 --> 00:40:42,445
Speaker 1: to think about, like, oh, I'm celebrating another year of life.

690
00:40:42,445 --> 00:40:46,885
Speaker 1: But meanwhile there's this woman that is like hiding body parts.

691
00:40:46,925 --> 00:40:52,045
Speaker 1: It's just like weird and disturbing. Were you alive back then? Yes?

692
00:40:52,965 --> 00:41:01,485
Speaker 1: Oh well yes, one, this was in nineteen ninety one. Sorry, okay, okay,

693
00:41:02,005 --> 00:41:04,925
Speaker 1: I'm just here to make everyone feel old. A reminder, listener,

694
00:41:05,005 --> 00:41:11,645
Speaker 1: Taylor is five hundred years old. Yeah, so she basically

695
00:41:11,645 --> 00:41:14,085
Speaker 1: tried to do like an insanity plea, but it didn't

696
00:41:14,125 --> 00:41:17,005
Speaker 1: work and she ended up being guilty. She's been up

697
00:41:17,005 --> 00:41:19,125
Speaker 1: for parole a couple of times and she's still she's

698
00:41:19,165 --> 00:41:22,365
Speaker 1: still here, but has been denied parole each time, essentially,

699
00:41:22,365 --> 00:41:24,725
Speaker 1: and she'll be up for parole again in twenty twenty five.

700
00:41:24,765 --> 00:41:27,085
Speaker 1: I think I don't love the idea of her coming

701
00:41:27,125 --> 00:41:29,885
Speaker 1: back out into the world. Yeah, while she was in jail,

702
00:41:30,125 --> 00:41:33,965
Speaker 1: she started a relationship with this seventy year old and

703
00:41:34,045 --> 00:41:37,805
Speaker 1: I think they got married. Yeah, they got married through

704
00:41:37,885 --> 00:41:41,565
Speaker 1: letters and I think he was pretty well off and

705
00:41:41,725 --> 00:41:44,485
Speaker 1: he died and I think she inherited a good amount

706
00:41:44,485 --> 00:41:48,645
Speaker 1: of money. Wow. Yeah, because it was like, well, it's

707
00:41:48,725 --> 00:41:54,125
Speaker 1: interesting because oftentimes during trials, like the defendants don't have

708
00:41:54,325 --> 00:41:57,365
Speaker 1: to go up as witnesses, but she actually went up

709
00:41:57,405 --> 00:42:00,565
Speaker 1: as a witness during her case. And when she was

710
00:42:00,645 --> 00:42:03,725
Speaker 1: on the stand, she was like sobbing, and she was

711
00:42:03,765 --> 00:42:06,445
Speaker 1: talking about all these moments of abuse, and she was

712
00:42:06,445 --> 00:42:09,325
Speaker 1: talking about how her husband like threw her kitten outside

713
00:42:09,645 --> 00:42:11,845
Speaker 1: of the car while they were driving and all this

714
00:42:11,925 --> 00:42:15,365
Speaker 1: like sexual assault and all of this. But then obviously

715
00:42:16,125 --> 00:42:18,725
Speaker 1: her testimony didn't help in her favor, and she was

716
00:42:18,805 --> 00:42:21,605
Speaker 1: sentenced a second degree murder. She was also on trial

717
00:42:21,765 --> 00:42:24,845
Speaker 1: for the thing that Nika had brought up about the

718
00:42:24,885 --> 00:42:27,885
Speaker 1: boyfriend being tied up and held at gunpoint. She was

719
00:42:27,925 --> 00:42:29,605
Speaker 1: also on trial for that at the same time, and

720
00:42:29,645 --> 00:42:32,565
Speaker 1: she was convicted guilty of that as well. And there

721
00:42:32,605 --> 00:42:34,725
Speaker 1: was this really great quote from one of the police

722
00:42:34,725 --> 00:42:37,845
Speaker 1: officers who was in the courtroom during her trial. Can't

723
00:42:37,845 --> 00:42:41,005
Speaker 1: wait to hear this said, Omima Nelson is the most

724
00:42:41,045 --> 00:42:43,605
Speaker 1: bizarre and sick individual I've had the occasion to meet.

725
00:42:43,725 --> 00:42:46,325
Speaker 1: No one needs to look at the Dahmers of Milwaukee

726
00:42:46,365 --> 00:42:48,725
Speaker 1: or the Hannibal Lecters of the screen. A new predator

727
00:42:48,805 --> 00:42:53,885
Speaker 1: has emerged named Omima. I mean, that's so dramatic. It's

728
00:42:53,885 --> 00:42:57,245
Speaker 1: so dramatic, but I mean worthy of the drama. I

729
00:42:57,285 --> 00:43:00,365
Speaker 1: would say, I watched Silence of the Lambs last night,

730
00:43:00,365 --> 00:43:03,045
Speaker 1: so this is just all very fitting. Well, how does

731
00:43:03,085 --> 00:43:05,805
Speaker 1: everyone doing after this episode? I think we had There's

732
00:43:05,845 --> 00:43:10,765
Speaker 1: a lot of gruesome gore shit that went on today. Ship.

733
00:43:10,925 --> 00:43:12,885
Speaker 1: I feel like I need to take a bath, Like

734
00:43:12,925 --> 00:43:15,405
Speaker 1: I just need to take a moment. I need to

735
00:43:15,725 --> 00:43:20,125
Speaker 1: miss my face with rosewater. I need to be okay

736
00:43:20,165 --> 00:43:24,245
Speaker 1: again right now. I need I need a kiss on

737
00:43:24,285 --> 00:43:27,485
Speaker 1: the forehead. Yes, I would just like to express gratitude

738
00:43:27,565 --> 00:43:31,325
Speaker 1: for living in a time where crucifixion, you know, isn't

739
00:43:31,325 --> 00:43:33,605
Speaker 1: a I mean, I don't want to live under a

740
00:43:33,645 --> 00:43:37,525
Speaker 1: capital punishment system, but I'm happy crucifixion isn't one of

741
00:43:37,565 --> 00:43:40,685
Speaker 1: the options. You know, it seemed like a bad way

742
00:43:40,765 --> 00:43:44,005
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, I feel like this show really just

743
00:43:44,045 --> 00:43:48,565
Speaker 1: helps us be grateful for living in this day and age,

744
00:43:48,685 --> 00:43:51,405
Speaker 1: even though this day and age isn't exactly the peachiest.

745
00:43:51,925 --> 00:43:53,805
Speaker 1: But I guess no day and age really is. You

746
00:43:53,925 --> 00:44:01,645
Speaker 1: just gotta life swatch you make it. It's Nanna. I

747
00:44:01,685 --> 00:44:03,845
Speaker 1: didn't know if this was like from your passion City

748
00:44:03,925 --> 00:44:07,685
Speaker 1: church days or something we are doing some Christian I

749
00:44:07,725 --> 00:44:10,205
Speaker 1: would also like, for the record, just for everyone, for

750
00:44:10,325 --> 00:44:13,005
Speaker 1: all the jokes aside, I'm an atheist, Okay, I'm just

751
00:44:13,125 --> 00:44:15,925
Speaker 1: gonna say it for the record, well an agnostic. You know.

752
00:44:16,005 --> 00:44:19,925
Speaker 1: I'm just like, maybe there's there could be there's something,

753
00:44:20,085 --> 00:44:23,045
Speaker 1: you know, there's a little something something Sometimes there's a

754
00:44:23,045 --> 00:44:27,205
Speaker 1: little some some we've all encountered something some of you're

755
00:44:27,325 --> 00:44:31,205
Speaker 1: calling a higher deity. What like I call some zestina salad.

756
00:44:31,285 --> 00:44:35,005
Speaker 1: That's a little something something good zestin a salad the

757
00:44:35,245 --> 00:44:39,045
Speaker 1: higher power? What is the difference, Nika, It's all something greater?

758
00:44:39,485 --> 00:44:41,645
Speaker 1: You know that. There's a kick to that. There's some

759
00:44:41,765 --> 00:44:46,405
Speaker 1: something something Is that chickpea spice chickpeas? I don't know. Sorry,

760
00:44:46,565 --> 00:44:50,645
Speaker 1: Let's have a salad. God is the zesty salad of life?

761
00:44:50,845 --> 00:44:55,125
Speaker 1: You know? Actually, you know, I do want to leave

762
00:44:55,125 --> 00:44:58,205
Speaker 1: our listeners with a tip. I've been adding cranberries to

763
00:44:58,285 --> 00:45:01,685
Speaker 1: make kale salads and they're really really yummy and good

764
00:45:01,725 --> 00:45:04,805
Speaker 1: for you. Good at preventing UTIs. That's not like a

765
00:45:04,925 --> 00:45:10,525
Speaker 1: new thing. Sorry, I'm so sorry. I forgot your five

766
00:45:10,605 --> 00:45:15,285
Speaker 1: hundred years old Right well, listeners, we are about to

767
00:45:15,405 --> 00:45:18,325
Speaker 1: descend into a full out brawl, So we're going to

768
00:45:18,405 --> 00:45:22,765
Speaker 1: conclude this episode before you have to listen to that,

769
00:45:23,765 --> 00:45:25,805
Speaker 1: or if you do want to listen to that, tune

770
00:45:25,845 --> 00:45:28,405
Speaker 1: in next week as we just brawl for an hour.

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00:45:28,565 --> 00:45:32,005
Speaker 1: All right, this has been cadaver Gaus. Thanks for listening.

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00:45:46,725 --> 00:45:49,965
Speaker 1: Cadaver Gals is a production of School of Humans and iHeartRadio.

773
00:45:50,045 --> 00:45:54,525
Speaker 1: It is hosted produce, mixed, researched, chatted, blob Blodge, blode

774
00:45:54,605 --> 00:45:58,165
Speaker 1: by Gabby Watts, Nika Duarte, and Taylor Church. You can

775
00:45:58,245 --> 00:46:02,245
Speaker 1: follow us on Instagram and Twitter at Cadaver Gals and

776
00:46:02,445 --> 00:46:04,925
Speaker 1: yes to those people on Instagram. I know I have

777
00:46:05,085 --> 00:46:07,885
Speaker 1: a mon a tone. I know I'm gonna work on it,

778
00:46:08,005 --> 00:46:10,925
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna make any promises. Okay, goodbye,