1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Cal's weekend review, presented by Steel. Steel products are available 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: only at authorized dealers. For more, go to Steel Dealers 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal callahan. Deer 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: seasons are winding down in many US states, but if 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: you're a member of the Griffith Island Club in Ontario, Canada, 7 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: you still have a few more weeks to bag a deer. 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: Thanks to Graham Green for sending this one. In and 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: most of Ontario's wildlife management units, the white tail season 10 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: only lasts about thirteen days and ends on November, but 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: the members of an exclusive hunting club on Griffith Island 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: in the Georgian Bay enjoy a much much longer season. 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: Rather than beginning on November seven, their season starts on 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: October one and extends for thirteen weeks. That's the longest 15 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: season in the entire prov including in northern units that 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: also have multi week seasons. Now, it's not unusual for 17 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: a state or a province to shorten or lengthen a 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: hunting season to better manage a particular species. That's exactly 19 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: what the province said when it proposed extending the Griffith 20 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: Island deer season from eleven weeks to thirteen weeks last year. 21 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: But that wasn't the only rationale. Provincial officials also proposed 22 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: extending the season to quote increase opportunity for clients and 23 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: club members, which is a clear tip of the hat 24 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: to managing wildlife in order to appease special interests. These 25 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: club members could be defined as businessmen and politicians, which 26 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: sets the stage for class warfare in the Ontarian hunter population. 27 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: One local hunter told the online newspaper The Narwhale, which 28 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: could be the coolest name for a newspaper ever, that 29 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: there was a quote absolute absence of information during the 30 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: rulemaking process. Mark Rickman of the Ontario Federation of Hunters 31 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: and Anglers said their members are concerned that landowners are 32 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: getting preferential hunting opportunities. Quote. Ultimately, these are public wildlife 33 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: resources managed on behalf of all Ontarians by the provincial government, 34 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: so we don't want to see hunting become a pastime 35 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: that only the wealthy can afford. It sounds like we 36 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: have a lot in common on this side of the border. 37 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: You might assume that an island ecosystem requires a higher 38 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: degree of management to keep the deer population healthy. That 39 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: could be the case, but the Narwhale also points out 40 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: that a neighboring island called white Cloud Island has only 41 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: a six day general white tail season. On the provinces 42 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: online proposal to add two weeks to the season on Griffith. 43 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: One comment is a complaint that the extended season doesn't 44 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: apply on White Cloud, where landowners are not quote huge corporations, 45 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: but private people who own land on a private island 46 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: are wealthy and connected. Griffith Island members getting special treatment 47 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: from the government or is there a sound scientific reason 48 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: the Griffin the island deer season is six times longer 49 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: than the units surrounding it. If you live in Ontario, 50 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: that's a question you may have for your Member of 51 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: Parliament or your Minister of Natural Resources. This week we've 52 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: got bears, bucks and access and so much more. But 53 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: first I'm gonna tell you about my week, and it 54 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: was wild. A couple of buddies of mine, one of 55 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: which is Brad Brooks, who is the owner of Our Golly, 56 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: the company that makes knives, tans, game bags, tracking polls, 57 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Only bring that up so you can 58 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: check out his buck it's a beautiful buck. He also 59 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: took a very nice picture of the beautiful buck on 60 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: the our golly Instagram page if you're curious about that. 61 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: All three of us on this adventure did get nice deer. 62 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: We covered a lot of miles straight backpacking hunt found 63 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: a lot of deer, but only a few bucks that 64 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: looked old, which is what we were after. I ended 65 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: up with one hundred and three pounds of boned out 66 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: meat on the scale when I got home. That's no 67 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: rib meat because the rib meat so full of fat 68 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: that I just couldn't figure out how to get the 69 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: meat out without having to pack out pounds and pounds 70 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: of fat. So leaving all that fat in there made 71 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: the Mountain Jazz Magpies and Ravens very happy. There was 72 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: a partial loss of neck meat from the driver's side 73 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: due to trauma, and no tender loins or heart due 74 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: to hungry guys at camp. That's a pretty serious yield. 75 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: Hundred and three pounds. She's so now, if you're into 76 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: measuring deer the other way, the Boone and Crockett way, 77 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: I think we averaged about between the three of us. 78 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: My buck was the smallest brad buck the biggest Charlie's 79 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: buck right in the middle. But those numbers are not 80 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: the highlights of the trip. I would say these numbers are. 81 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: Brad's buck was shot at fifty yards, my buck was 82 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: out at seventy five yards, and Charlie's at a whopping 83 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: one and thirty yards. It's not because we can't shoot. 84 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: I made a beautiful shot on a rock before leaving 85 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: the trailhead at three hundred and sixty eight yards, just 86 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: to make sure my scope was still on from antelope season. 87 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: It was. Other memorable things include a windstorm that put 88 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: a ninety degree bend in our titanium stovepipe. That storm 89 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: also knocked down a conservative of all standing dead timber 90 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: and a split zipper and a lost tent steak. During 91 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: that same storm filled the tent with sugary snow. I 92 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: finally stuck my head out of my sleeping bag to 93 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: see just barely the tops of my boots being visible 94 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: in the snow drift that once was my gear pile. 95 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: We forfeited some hunting time in order to use a 96 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: leatherman tool to cut out the critically weekend section of stovepipe, 97 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: then use that section as a clamp over the now 98 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: two sections of stovepipe that were left in order for 99 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: us to stay on the mountain. Spent a lot of 100 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: time drying out gear that we dug out of that 101 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: sugar snow, frozen water bottles, melted nalgene bottles, and just 102 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: a solid reminder of how cathartic a hot camp fire 103 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: can be on a cold night. We cooked tenderloins on 104 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: the fire, hired on the fire, frightened buck fat, and 105 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: we also found just how awesome it is to have 106 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: a little bit of seasoning, a little bit of alpine touch, 107 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: packed into the back country for just such an occasion. 108 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: It was a heck of a hunt, tremendous physical effort, 109 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: tremendous mental effort. We got remote and got comfortable in 110 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: uncomfortable conditions, and we know we can do it again 111 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: next year. Moving on to the corrections desk. Back in 112 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: episode I discussed a bill in California that's been having 113 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: unintended consequences for the youth hunting and shooting sports. The 114 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: bill prohibited any firearm industry member from marketing guns or 115 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: gun accessories to miners and not you know, the dudes 116 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: who were digging coal out of the hillside it ain't 117 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: no rich dig dig with a shovel or up, and 118 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: a group of outdoor organizations file the lawsuit challenging the legislation. 119 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: The lawsuit is still ongoing and the bill is still 120 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: presenting some problems, but a listener from California road in 121 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: with important context. In response to the outcry from sportsmen 122 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: and youth shooting leagues, the state legislature passed another bill 123 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: last year that reversed certain portions of the original bill. 124 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: This new bill exempted marketing that promotes firearms safety programs, 125 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: hunting safety programs, and shooting sports events. It also explicitly 126 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: exempts promotions of lawful hunting activities, youth hunter programs, and 127 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: outdoor camps. That's obviously good news, and California Waterfowl reports 128 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: that it clears the way for hunting and shooting competitions 129 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: to be advertised to youth. However, that doesn't mean the 130 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: bill is perfect. The California Rifle and Pistol Association points 131 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: out that while promoting youth hunting events is now legal, 132 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: advertising firearms or related products at those events could still 133 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: result in a twenty five thou dollar fine. So a 134 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: trap club or youth hunting program and californ rarnion might 135 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: not be able to hang a sponsors banner if that 136 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: sponsor sells firearm related products that quote reasonably appear attractive 137 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: to miners. Coaches, trainers, and hunting mentors might also run 138 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: a foul the law if they do anything that promotes 139 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: similar products to those under eight teen. And since the 140 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: bill does not define what kind of speech is reasonably 141 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: attractive to miners, California hunters and sports shooters are still 142 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: understandably scratching their heads. Moving on to the crime desk, 143 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: a canine agent that's a dog for the Kansas Department 144 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: of Wildlife and Parks bus today poacher this month by 145 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: tracking down the rifle the poacher had stashed in the woods. 146 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: Canaine agent Apollo and his game warden were notified of 147 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: a suspicious truck parked in front of a field entrance. 148 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: The owner of the truck appeared to be hunting in 149 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: the field without permission, but when Apollo arrived, the truck 150 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: owner claimed to be scouting for waterfowl. However, it wasn't 151 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: long before Apolo sniffed out a hunting rifle that had 152 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: been placed in the woods away from the path. The 153 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: truck owner is facing a variety of potential charges, including 154 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: hunting without a license, criminal hunting, and interference with law enforcement. Now, 155 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: the stashing of rifles in the woods is not a 156 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: unique tactic for the poaching public. I've had several game 157 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: wardens tell me that habitual poachers will pick up a 158 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: series of very inexpensive firearms at local pawn shops. They'll 159 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: stash their nice hunting rifle with nice optics and everything 160 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: in the woods and only carry this used and beat 161 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: up bargain store weapon in and out of the woods 162 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: in case they do get caught, because the game warden 163 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: is gonna seize that inexpensive rifle instead of the good rifle. 164 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: But I can't get past Apollo and that nose, good 165 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: dog Apollo up. In Oregon, the state police are asking 166 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: for the public's help identifying the persons or person responsible 167 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: for killing two bears and leaving them to rot in 168 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: the tops of trees. A dead bear with an arrow 169 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: sticking out of it was found high in a tree 170 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: in southwest Oregon earlier this month. When Jackson County firefighters 171 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: got the animal down, investigators also discovered that the bear 172 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: had been shot by at least two bullets. Another bear 173 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: was found a few days later in another tree in 174 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: the same area. That bear was too decomposed to identify 175 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: a specific cause of death, but both bears are believed 176 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,599 Speaker 1: to have been killed by humans. It is illegal in 177 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: Oregon to waste any edible portion of any big game 178 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: animal or the pelt of any furbearing mammal. Oregonians who 179 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: might have information about these animals should send an email 180 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: to tip at osp dot Oregon dot g o V 181 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: if your tip leads to the conclusion of the investigation. 182 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: Oregan's Turn in Poacher Program Tip offers a reward of 183 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: four preference points for each bear. Cash rewards are also available. 184 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: Speaking of waste, a father and two of his sons 185 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: have been accused of taking only the trophy parts of 186 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,359 Speaker 1: an elk and a bear they killed. Back in September, 187 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: Robert Schlitz and his two sons, Richard and David, were 188 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: hunting near Eleven Miles State Park when they killed a 189 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: bull elk in the vicinity of another group of hunters. 190 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: Those hunters found the elk and noticed that the Schlitz 191 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: had only taken the head and left the rest of 192 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: the meat to rock. Later the schlitz mentioned to this 193 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: other group that they had also killed a bear in 194 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: the area. The other group of hunters called Operation Game 195 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: Thief to report the elk, and investigators later discovered that 196 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: the schlitze Is had only harvested the head, hide and 197 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: pause from the bear. Robert Schlitt told local media that 198 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: the story is all hearsay and that he and his 199 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: boys are quote ethical hunters. I'm sure you're thinking there's 200 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: more to the story. Relax will get you the exciting 201 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: conclusion to this one in the next episode titled Want 202 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: and Waste All Hearsay or All Horse schlit In Pennsylvania, 203 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: a man and has been charged with homicide after an 204 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: altercation over a hunting spot turned deadly. David Heathcoat of Emlnton, Pennsylvania, 205 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: was hunting doves on a nearby farm when he heard 206 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: someone yell out there are no turkeys here. He ignored 207 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: the advice he was hunting doves after all, and fired 208 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: five or six more shots before heading home. As he 209 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: was walking up his driveway, another man named Robert wind 210 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: Guard drove past and yelled, you screwed up my archery hunt. 211 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: Heathcoat yelled something back, I'm not able to repeat on air, 212 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: and win Guard turned his truck around and drove into 213 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: Heathcoats driveway. Here's where things really start to get squirrely. 214 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: Heathcote claims that the argument grew so heated that wind 215 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: Guard threatened to kill Heathcote's daughter and his dog. Then, 216 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: he says wind Guard made an abrupt movement with his 217 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: right hand inside the cab of the truck. Heathcote believed 218 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: wind Guard had a gun, so he raised his shotgun 219 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: and shot wind Guard in the head. Win Guard was 220 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: dead by the time police arrived. Heathcote has been charged 221 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: with criminal hama side and is being held without bail. 222 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: This probably won't come as a surprise, but this isn't 223 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: the first time these two have interacted. Meat Eater spoke 224 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: with wind Guard's ex wife and she says they've been 225 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: fighting over this same hunting spot for the last decade. 226 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: In his statement to police, Heathcote also mentioned that he's 227 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: had trouble with wind Guard quote for years. This is 228 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: a sad conclusion to a hunting spot feud. There's a 229 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: lot to learn here as we all get frustrated when 230 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: we see that other truck at a trailhead or pull out. 231 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: But is an altercation like this worth a couple of 232 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: doves or a limit of doves or a big old buck. 233 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: Something tells me that both of these boys would have 234 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: wished they would have found some other hunting spots. Finally, 235 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: I have an update for you on a case we 236 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: covered all the way back an episode one. The Ohio 237 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: Department of Natural Resources launched a big investigation last year 238 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: into a butcher called A and E Processing. The facility 239 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: was accused of selling venison from poach deer and stealing 240 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: venison from hunters. Fourteen people connected to the poaching ring 241 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: were charged with one and twenty two crimes ranging from 242 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: illegal sale of wild animal parts to money laundering, to 243 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: tell a communications fraud, to hunting with illegal equipment. The 244 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: individuals charged included people who worked at the facility and 245 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: poachers who supplied the facility with meat. Those people were 246 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: sentenced this week to pay a combined seventy thousand dollars 247 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: in fines and restitution, and they've had their hunting licenses 248 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: suspended for combined sixty three years. That honestly seems a 249 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: little light to me. This outfit stole over two thousand 250 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: pounds of venison from two hundred and eighty customers, not 251 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: to mention all the deer the poachers stole from the 252 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: general public. I'm no lawyer, but it seems like theft 253 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: on that scale usually lands people in jail. Moving on 254 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: to the public lands desk. The corner crossing debate is 255 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: getting all the attention these days, But did you know 256 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: there's another controversial, but should be legal way to access 257 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: a landlocked piece of public land. Section lines are sixty 258 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: six ft wide strips of land that divides states into 259 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: a checkerboard of square mile sections. These lines were drawn 260 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: by surveyors and settlement days, and some states consider them 261 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: public roads. In North Dakota, for example, the relevant law 262 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: reads quote in all townships in this state, the congressional 263 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: section lines are considered public roads open for public travel. 264 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: That seems clear enough when you write it on a 265 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: piece of paper, but it gets a little more complicated 266 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: where you know the rubber hits the dirt. Some section 267 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: lines have actual dirt roads, splitting two fence lines, one 268 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: on the right and one on the left. However, other 269 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: lines have not been made into roads, and sometimes the 270 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: terrain is too rough for roads. Or fences. As you 271 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: can imagine, this has caused its fair share of controversy 272 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: in South Dakota. For example, Jacob Higher at South Dakota 273 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: Searchlight reports that some hunters have been bullied and her 274 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: asked by landowners who don't want them accessing public land 275 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: via those section lines. It's illegal to construct fences or 276 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: barriers along these lines, but that's exactly what some public 277 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: land hunters have found. However, the law also allows local 278 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: township supervisors or county commissioners to vacate section lines. This 279 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: gives the landowner permission to control those roadways and block 280 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: access if they so choose. In South Dakota, the state 281 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: is suing Elms Springs Township for vacating all the section 282 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: lines on an eleven thousand acre ranch. There's landlocked public 283 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: property on that ranch, and the state argues that the 284 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: township had no right to close all the section lines 285 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: to public travel, and the state may have a point. 286 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: Section lines are usually closed one at a time for 287 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: very specific reasons. What's more, state law prohibits local governments 288 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: from vacating a section line if it provides access to 289 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: public lands greater than forty acres. The public property in 290 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: question is greater than forty acres, and that case is 291 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: currently being litigated in South Dakota courts. Some South Dakota 292 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: hunters would like to see the state step in and 293 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: formalize the section lines with signage and markers. This would 294 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: help prevent landowners from illegally blocking those roadways, but it 295 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: would also ensure public land users don't wander off onto 296 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: private property. When landowners explain why they want to limit access, 297 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: they usually cite fears of the general public trespassing and 298 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: destroying property. Sometimes that's just an excuse, as when a 299 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: landowner is enjoying exclusive access to public hunting ground. But 300 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: other times those folks have had legitimately bad experiences with 301 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: public land users and they don't want to deal with 302 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: those conflicts. I don't blame them. Marking section lines with 303 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: clear signage would keep both sides accountable while also giving 304 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: the public access to the land that's rightfully there's But 305 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: then again, if you hunt roadsides and South Dakota, I 306 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: bet you have a few unmarked stretches that you would 307 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: prefer to remain incognito. Moving on to the conservation desk, 308 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: A legendary high school football coach in South Carolina has 309 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: sold his seven hundred and seventy four acre quail preserved 310 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: to a conservation group called Quail Forever. The move ensures 311 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: that the public will have an opportunity to hunt what 312 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: has been one of the best private game preserves in 313 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: the state. In nine, Hurricane Hugo took down a bunch 314 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: of trees on Mooney Players property. The aptly named football 315 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: coach decided to turn the estate into a quail paradise. 316 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: He and his friends have hunted the property in Sumter 317 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: County for the last thirty years, but now he's sold 318 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: it to Quail Forever for a reported one point five 319 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: million dollars. That's less than two thousand dollars per acre, 320 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: which for the area is a pretty darn good deal. 321 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: The preserve will be known as the Bob White Hills 322 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: Wildlife Area and will be managed by the South Carolina 323 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: Department of now Atual Resources to protect and grow the 324 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: Bob White quail population. Public hunting is expected to start 325 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: in the two thousand twenty three through two season. Another 326 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: popular game bird got a big boost recently when the 327 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: National Wild Turkey Federation signed an agreement with the U. 328 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: S d a's Forest Service for a first of its kind, 329 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: fifty million dollar stewardship program. The money is an initial 330 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: investment from the recent infrastructure Bill, and we'll be used 331 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: to address the wildfire crisis in the West and promote 332 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: healthy forests across the US. Over the next twenty years, 333 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: the National Wild Turkey Federation or n w t F 334 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 1: will develop and implement regional projects to protect communities, reduced 335 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: wildfire risk, and improve forest health, wildlife habitat, and water 336 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: quality on national forests and grasslands. This is the largest 337 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: agreement in the Wild Turkey Federation's fifty year history, and 338 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: one of the largest ever between the Forest Service and 339 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: a conservation organization co. Nwt F C Kurt dire Off 340 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: set about the agreement. Wild Turkeys, as well as other wildlife, 341 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: rely on healthy habitats and healthy forests for their long 342 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: term sustainability. Likewise, hunters rely on the same for equality 343 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: and successful hunting experience. This partnership enables us to make 344 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: greater investments at a greater scale to keep forests healthy, 345 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: water clean, and stop critical habitat loss. N WTF is 346 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,239 Speaker 1: primarily focused on turkeys, but the habitat work they'll do 347 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: will benefit a host of other species. For example, good 348 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: turkey grassland habitat is also good habitat for pollinators. Monarch 349 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: butterflies love milkweed, but so do a bunch of other 350 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: insects that feed off its nectar. Turkey polts or baby 351 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: turkeys eat insects almost exclusively for the first two months 352 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: of their lives. A grassland habitat with lots of milkweed 353 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: and other herbaceous plants will support pollinators as well as turkeys. 354 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: So when the Turkey Federation embarks on a grasslands management project, 355 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: as they're doing in Pennsylvania right now, they're creating spaces 356 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: for all kinds of native plants and animal species to thrive. 357 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: Moving on to the energy desk, you may have noticed 358 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: in my interview with BLM director Tracy stone Manning in 359 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: episode that I had lots of questions about energy. There's 360 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: a reason for that. Generating electricity is crucial to our society, 361 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: and the ways we generate that energy often intersect with 362 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: how we use public land. Thanks to listener Casey Martin 363 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: for bringing this story to my attention. An energy company 364 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: has received a permit from the federal government to study 365 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: the possibility of installing a pumped storage hydropower plant in 366 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: Colorado's Uni Weep Canyon. The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission recently 367 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: granted the permit to Excel Energy, and the company now 368 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: has exclusive rights to study the site without competition from 369 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: other energy developers. The proposed project would include building a 370 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: ninety six foot dam on the mesa above the canyon 371 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: to create a five thousand, nine twelve acre foot reservoir. 372 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: According to the Colorado Sun, a foot pipeline with a 373 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: twenty two foot diameter would drop water to an identically 374 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: sized reservoir on the canyon floor created by a seventy 375 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: three ft dam. The tumbling water would pass through turbines 376 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: that would generate eight hundred megawatts of energy. I know 377 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: what you're thinking, great Scott, that's a lot of energy. 378 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: That's a power. That might sound simple enough, but there's 379 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: a problem. The plant has to pump water back to 380 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: the top of the reservoir, which uses more energy than 381 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: the plant generates. Excel Energy says the plant is still 382 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: useful because it can generate clean energy at night, when 383 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: wind turbines and solar panels don't produce as much. But 384 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: Uniweep Canyon residents aren't so sure this is a good idea. 385 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: Some would be forced to leave their homes and properties 386 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: if the project is allowed to move forward, and others 387 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: just don't like the idea of putting a power plant 388 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: on one of the coolest geologic feature is in the west. 389 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: Uniweep Canyon is the only canyon in the world that 390 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: has creeks flowing out of opposite ends. The East Creek 391 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: and the West Creek are separated by the Uniweep Divide, 392 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: and scientists still aren't quite sure how the divide formed. Hiking, 393 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 1: mountain biking, and some of the best granite climbing outside 394 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: Yosemite can be found in Uniweep Canyon. According to the 395 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: Grand Junction tourist website, Excel Energy says Uni Weep Canyon 396 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: is the only location in the state suitable for this 397 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: kind of hydroelectric power plant, but it would destroy this 398 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: unique geological phenomenon along with the homes and properties in 399 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: the area, which brings up the classic question is it 400 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: worth it? Moving on to the bear desk, the New 401 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: Jersey Fish and Game Council voted last week to approve 402 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: an emergency request from Governor Phil Murphy to reinstate a 403 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: black bear hunt later this year. The state had banned 404 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: bear hunting on state property in two thousand eighteen and 405 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: banned all bear hunting in However, the black population has 406 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: grown so large that human bear conflicts increased two hundred 407 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: and thirty seven percent between two thousand twenty one and 408 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: two thousand twenty two, and wildlife managers believe a bear 409 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: hunt can help control the population. Governor Murphy said that 410 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: while he is still quote committed to ending the bear hunt, 411 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: the data demands that we act now to prevent tragic 412 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: bear human interactions. Bear hunting will resume in the state 413 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: between December five and the tenth of this year, and 414 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: the Fishing Game Council voted to offer eleven thousand bear 415 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: permits to properly licensed hunters. Hunters may only use shotguns 416 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: and muzzleloaders, and only Zones one through five will be 417 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: open to bear hunting. In addition, there is now a 418 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: strict prohibition on the taking of cubs under seventy five pounds, 419 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: as well as the taking of adults traveling with cubs 420 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: below seventy five pounds. Hunters also may not attempt to 421 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: take a bear or have a loaded weapon within three 422 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: hundred feet of abated area. Now, I will say trying 423 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: to mitigate bear conflict with a hunting season is somewhat controversial. 424 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: The question will be if this tag were to be 425 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: wildly successful, this hunt to be wildly successful with the 426 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: maximum allowable removal of bears of eleven thousand, will that 427 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 1: drop in population reduce the bear conflict. I also think 428 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: it's very interesting here that the governor says he's still 429 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: committed to ending the bear hunt, but the data demands 430 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: that we act now to prevent tragic bear human interactions, 431 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: which raises the question does the governor know how bears operate? 432 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: Does the governor think that we can just fight bears 433 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: right now and later come to some sort of a 434 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: bear armistice down the road when we prove that, you know, 435 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 1: we're dominant beings out there in the woods. I don't know, 436 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: New Jersey. Good luck. That's all I've got for you 437 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: this week. Thank you so much for listening. As per usual, 438 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: Please right in to a s K C. A L. 439 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: That's ask Cal at the Meat Eater dot Com and 440 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: let me know what's going on in your neck of 441 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: the woods. You know, I appreciate it. And also it 442 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 1: may be that you're experiencing extreme cold, just as I 443 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: am here in Bozeman, Montana. There's something you can do 444 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: about that. You can grab a chainsaw, cut up a 445 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: bunch of firewood, get yourself all warm and toasting for 446 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: the holiday season. Go to www dot steel dealers dot 447 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: com and find a local, knowledgeable steel dealer near you. 448 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: You can get someone a great gift that actually has 449 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: a purpose. They'll get you set up with what you need, 450 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: and they won't try to send you home with what 451 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: you don't. Thanks again, and I'll talk to you next week.