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Speaker 1: Play of the Day We already had that many plays

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Speaker 1: of the Day over the weekend. No Plays of the

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Speaker 1: Day for James Harden in Game seven, once again a

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Speaker 1: no show and then literally a no show after the game,

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Speaker 1: didn't show up to talk to the media. All for

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Speaker 1: their losses. Now I get it, you don't want to

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Speaker 1: go in there. It's the end of the season and

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Speaker 1: have everybody bring up all the ugly numbers from all

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Speaker 1: of your elimination games. You're getting paid forty six million dollars.

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Speaker 1: It's part of the job. May not like it. Do

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Speaker 1: ten minutes and you're done, and maybe you give us

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Speaker 1: insights into something else. Maybe somebody can ask you a

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Speaker 1: question where we find out more about who you are,

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Speaker 1: what you're thinking, why it's happened, What are you thinking

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Speaker 1: in the moment? This you know, this is why you

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Speaker 1: are the ones spending all this money, they would like

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Speaker 1: to have some answers. What happened? Why do you only

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Speaker 1: get eight shots? Why is it that you somehow don't

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Speaker 1: take as many shots as you should? Maybe you could

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Speaker 1: ask Maybe you would talk about Kwhi Leonard, who had

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Speaker 1: a wonderful postseason and maybe the future here, but he

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Speaker 1: disappeared in the game and after the game as well.

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Speaker 1: I had the NBA title odds and it's a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of thunder And then the Celtics third on the list.

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Speaker 1: A distant third is Cleveland, then a really distant fourth

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Speaker 1: is Minnesota. The Nuggets and Golden State Warriors aren't in

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Speaker 1: there and you get the Thunder against Denver, and yes,

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Speaker 1: do you want to see SGA against Joker? You do?

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Speaker 1: But I'm just curious, like, this is a quick turnaround

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Speaker 1: for Denver and I'm guessing Oklahoma City. There's a reason

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Speaker 1: why they're favored by nine and a half because it's

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Speaker 1: a quick turnaround here. Surprise, surprise. The Cavaliers ended up

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Speaker 1: losing to the Pacers yesterday. The Knicks are getting nine

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Speaker 1: seven to seven to three. DP show operator Tyler's sitting by.

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Speaker 1: He'll get to your phone calls coming up. But Golden

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Speaker 1: State dominated Houston and the Warriors of the third seventh

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Speaker 1: seed in the last twenty years to advance beyond the

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Speaker 1: first round. I'm joining the Lakers of twenty twenty three

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Speaker 1: in the Spurs of twenty ten. But this is a

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Speaker 1: different Golden State team, not a true seventh seed. And

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Speaker 1: usually you know, these teams aren't true seven seeds. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is a three seed, a two seed, and maybe

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Speaker 1: you over achieved a little bit. You know, Houston was

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Speaker 1: a wonderful story, but were they the second best team

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Speaker 1: postseason that's when things change. You're graded on a curve,

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Speaker 1: and we saw with Golden State when they need to

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Speaker 1: they do it. Steph was great in the second half,

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Speaker 1: certainly in the fourth quarter. Buddy Healed was awesome. Here

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Speaker 1: is Steve Kerr talking about Steph Curry's performance.

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Speaker 2: I thought Steph was brilliant tonight. I know he got

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Speaker 2: off to a slow start shooting the ball, but whole

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Speaker 2: and he managed the game beautifully, and you know it's

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Speaker 1: But the reason we had.

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Speaker 2: The eleven point lead at half or whatever it was

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Speaker 1: Just having experience, and you could see where Houston didn't

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Speaker 1: they continue to build just like OKAC has done, just

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Speaker 1: You know, the Celtics, they've drafted. Well. Now you bring

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Speaker 1: and I thought this past offseason, you got to load up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You've got to make sure that you have some depth

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Speaker 1: give you our best and worst through the weekend drama

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Speaker 1: with the Winnipeg over the Blues in two overtimes Game seven.

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Speaker 1: A whole lot of fun watching that. But Nick Celtics Tonight,

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Speaker 1: Nuggets at the Thunder Game one. I never know what

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Speaker 1: how they're going to play, but this all always feels like,

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Speaker 1: And maybe it's not fair to them because I think

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Speaker 1: But I think Boston is just so much better and

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Speaker 1: going to see Okasee and you're going to see just

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Speaker 1: how deep that team is and it's not just SGA.

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Speaker 1: A couple other things here. Let's see I played, I

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Speaker 1: played Russell. I'm gonna play this again just because it's

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Speaker 1: it's so refreshing, and you want something that sums up

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Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook. Who better than Russell Westbrook to sum up

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Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook. You know, my.

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Speaker 3: Ability to be able to be a force of nature

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Speaker 3: maybe a dunk, maybe a mystery, maybe a may three.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be all of that. It's gonna be everything.

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Speaker 1: So you just take it, take it. But how it

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Speaker 1: Whose career would you rather have, Russell Westbrook or James

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Speaker 1: Harden Russ?

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Speaker 4: Oh okayrus Russ doesn't have glaring Game seven failures.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but he's been kind of kicked to the

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Speaker 1: curb and James Harden has to Well, Harden is still

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Speaker 1: like the focal point. And you know, Russ got benched,

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Speaker 1: already got sent to the bench. He doesn't even start anymore.

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Speaker 4: The thing about Russ to me is you'll never have

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Speaker 4: to question whether he cares or not. Okay, his effort

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Speaker 4: will always be there. Okay, all right, He's coming out.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. Okay, that's fair, PAULI.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with Marvin Westbrook. Seems like an effort guy

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Speaker 5: who's got flaws, but they're not intentional. And Harden at

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Speaker 5: times his career felt like he wasn't all in, whether

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Speaker 1: Make it's close, though, Todd.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna give the edge to Harden, just because he's

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Speaker 6: got that cool nickname, the Beard. Russ doesn't really have

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Speaker 6: her nickname, and he got all the triple doubles and everything.

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Speaker 6: But if nothing else, if it's fairly even, I'm gonna go, oh,

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Speaker 6: that's the Beard in the history of the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Seaton went about you, Russell Westbrook Junior the

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Speaker 1: third or James Harden.

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Speaker 7: Probably give a slight edge to Harden. I think ultimately

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Speaker 7: he maybe has had a better career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Russ wins the MVP, but there was a time

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Speaker 1: when Harden he was unstoppable. That but three years in

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Speaker 1: a row led the league in scoring that damn postseason.

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Speaker 1: You know, if it was just based on if we

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Speaker 1: only had regular seasons, everything would be great. You know,

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Speaker 1: you'd look at Harden, you go, man, he's great. It's

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Speaker 1: that postseason and those you know damn game sevens. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they each have an MVP, right, I think they each

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Speaker 1: have one. Yeah, so they're kind of tied there scoring wise, mmm,

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Speaker 1: I mean averaging a triple double? How many times his

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Speaker 1: career Russell Westbrook, that's pretty cool? Yeah? Four times? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you forget Harden is a great passer. And how

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Speaker 1: many times does Harden had double digit assist seasons? Now,

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Speaker 1: all the time, but you know Westbrook had the ball

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Speaker 1: all the time too in his triple double seasons, Yes.

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Speaker 5: Harden had ten or more assists eight different times, and.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty impressive, Like how many guys have had that

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Speaker 1: in their career? Yes, it feels like Harden at least

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Speaker 1: his style of play has aged a little better. Maybe

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Speaker 1: he seems to still be pretty effective. Well, what is

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Speaker 1: Russ's style to play? All out? It's just like frenetic

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Speaker 1: up and down. Yes, Todd, it didn't work out, bouncing

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Speaker 6: But also if perception is reality, when you think of

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Speaker 6: like putting a Big three together, you know Harden's name

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Speaker 6: comes up with like Big two or three's Russell Westbrook

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Speaker 6: would never be named as part of the big two

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Speaker 6: or three of a team.

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Speaker 1: That could possibly be he was. He was not as much.

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Speaker 6: There was hardened every team hard.

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Speaker 1: Because Westbrook and Durant where the big two, Harden was

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing. You know, America's got talent with

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Speaker 1: your name on Facebook so we can look you up? Oh,

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Speaker 1: come on, But you still didn't answer the question. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: this is a hell of an era to find Facebook.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you.

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Speaker 1: No, there's a hell of a time place in the

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Speaker 7: You're watching between two Ferns videos on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Yes some reason. Yes, yes, I'm not on any other

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Speaker 1: I don't have to share poems to my wife or anything. Yes, time, and.

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Speaker 6: Nobody even calls anybody anymore. Everybody's texting each other and abbreviations,

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well you're on Facebook just in time for Mother's Day,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to my rock. This is harder in crime. Seaton

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Speaker 7: Not only would I be meeting my best friend, but

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Speaker 1: Oh yes.

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Speaker 5: It's to the point now where if my phone rings

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Speaker 6: I don't like when someone puts a ten paragraph thing

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Speaker 1: Were sure that they've done a pet turtle.

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Speaker 6: I've seen guinea pigs and the various, like a golden example.

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Speaker 6: I do tend to exaggerated times, but I have seen

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Speaker 1: I have not wired a wire.

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Speaker 6: You never had a pet.

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Speaker 7: You've never had a single pet. You've never had a goldfish?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm asking you, I don't care about your friend. No.

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Speaker 6: In my apartment building, in Brooklyn. You know, I don't

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Speaker 1: Well, what about now? I mean, you're got a house.

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Speaker 6: My daughter wants to get a dog, but she's in

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Speaker 6: I got bit by a dog, by my uncle's dog

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Speaker 1: There's something evil to me. It's not going to steal

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Speaker 1: talk some more hoops coming up. Yeah, I want to

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Speaker 1: find out this scenario where Luca would not stay with

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Speaker 1: that series, few other topics. Whose career would you rather have?

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Speaker 8: Howdy Dan uh kind of look at the career earnings,

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Speaker 8: They're both way up there.

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Speaker 8: I feel like Harden lands higher on that list, but

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Speaker 8: has more scrutiny, and you know, for the reasons you

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Speaker 8: it feels like most of Russ's playoff failures, you you

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Speaker 8: Now Harden's still doing it at a high price point

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Speaker 8: That's kind of you know, and and seriously, like with Russ,

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Speaker 8: better game seven, And right now, that's all that really matters.

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Speaker 1: Whose future mediate future do you like better? The Clippers

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Speaker 8: that out. Obviously, depth was a major problem for the Lakers.

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Speaker 8: I mean, they played five guys for an entire half

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Speaker 8: of a playoff game, you know something that we've never

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Speaker 8: seen before, but one the Lakers traditionally have not had

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Speaker 8: a whole lot of problems convincing guys. Hey, you know,

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Speaker 8: do you like the sunshine, do you like the glitz

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Speaker 8: and glamour, do you like the spotlight?

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Speaker 1: You might want to come here.

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Speaker 8: And you know, Luca is not somebody who everybody maybe

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Speaker 8: will want to play with, But they've got the other

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Speaker 8: guys who are gonna have the ball in their hands.

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Speaker 8: They need to fill out with the role players like

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Speaker 8: the Mavericks. Did you know the year before they went

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Speaker 8: to the finals, And you know the primary thing they

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Speaker 8: need is that lobcatch and rim protect and big man

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Speaker 8: and those type of guys will absolutely be lining up

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Speaker 8: to try to play with Luca in La.

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Speaker 1: I did wonder when JJ Reddick said we got to

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Speaker 1: get in championship shape, and I did think of you

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Speaker 1: because you wrote the book on Luca. How do you

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Speaker 1: think this was received by him where it's not being

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Speaker 1: called out by name, but everybody knows he's saying you

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Speaker 1: need to get in championship shape.

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Speaker 8: Probably about the same as when Jason Kidd would do

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Speaker 8: it at end of seasons and even Rick Carlisle at

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Speaker 8: end of seasons. I mean, this has been something that

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Speaker 8: has been an issue for Luca throughout his entire career,

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Speaker 8: even going back to the pre draft process. It was

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Speaker 8: one of the knocks.

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Speaker 1: But does his backup what the Mavericks did. Nico Harrison,

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Speaker 1: His knock on him partly was well he went in

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Speaker 1: shape and he knew he couldn't play defense.

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Speaker 8: Well, what I have consistently said is the condition concerns

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Speaker 8: are absolutely legitimate and still an insane reason to trade

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Speaker 8: a generational talent munths removed from him leading your franchise

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Speaker 8: to the NBA Finals when he fully intended to stay

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Speaker 8: in Dallas for his entire career. So the Lakers' first

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Speaker 8: shound exit does not justify the trade that was made

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Speaker 8: or the condition concerns legitimate. Of course they are, and

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Speaker 8: like you don't need you didn't need this to know that?

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Speaker 8: Did people like has there been some kind of like

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Speaker 8: optometrius revolution suddenly? Like did you not have eyeballs? Were

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Speaker 8: they not working? Of course, conditioning has been a concern

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Speaker 8: with him throughout his career. He's still been a five

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Speaker 8: time first team NBA player the defense. And here's the

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Speaker 8: thing where those two things are directly related. Right, Lucas

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Speaker 8: obviously at his worst defensively when he's gassed, and well,

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Speaker 8: you know, when you play him the entire second half,

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Speaker 8: that doesn't help matters. But you can build a good

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Speaker 8: defense that protects Luca, that includes Luca. And I'm not

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Speaker 8: saying like hypothetically, I'm saying it's happened on multiple occasions.

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Speaker 8: The Mavericks did it. The year they went to the

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Speaker 8: conference finals, they ranked seventh in the league in defense.

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Speaker 8: They did it last year when they went to the finals.

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Speaker 8: They were the number one defense for the final quarter

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Speaker 8: of the season, and then that continued into the playoffs.

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Speaker 8: Even the Celtics series. Luke had some terrible defensive moments.

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Speaker 8: They lost that series because they couldn't score because the

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Speaker 8: guys around them couldn't hit shots, and you know, and

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Speaker 8: his defensive issues didn't help. But I'm saying, so, yeah,

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Speaker 8: the flaws are the flaws, but no, it doesn't justify

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Speaker 8: the trade. And I absolutely, you know, like the Lakers

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Speaker 8: are ecstatic to be able to have the opportunity to

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Speaker 8: try to build around this dude for the next decade.

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Speaker 8: But they've got a lot of work to do in

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Speaker 8: that regard.

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Speaker 1: Can you see a scenario where Luca doesn't stay in La.

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Speaker 8: You know, I mean sure, I could come up with scenarios.

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Speaker 8: I would be shocked if there's not some sort of

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Speaker 8: extension this summer, ok you know, and what that looks like.

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Speaker 8: There's a lot of factors. I don't want to bog

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Speaker 8: you down with CPA Minutia and all that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 8: but I with what I know of Luca, and I

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Speaker 8: haven't talked to him directly about this, but you know,

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Speaker 8: talking to people who know Luca, well, I think he

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Speaker 8: absolutely wants to give the Lakers, like he's fully committed La. Now.

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Speaker 8: His heart was broken, but he's fully committed to the Lakers,

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Speaker 8: and you know his goal now is to win championships

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Speaker 8: with that franchise.

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Speaker 1: Jim McMahon the spn NBA Reporter, Band of McMahon podcast

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Speaker 1: on the Hoo Collective and of course the new book

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Speaker 1: The Wonder Boy, Luka, Doncic and The Curse of Greatness.

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Speaker 1: Who has a better chance of going further? The Warriors

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Speaker 1: or the Nuggets?

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Speaker 8: Well, I would say the Warriors because they don't have

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Speaker 8: to play Oklahoma City this round. You know, listen, man, Okay,

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Speaker 8: see The one doubt about okay See is well, they

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Speaker 8: haven't done it before.

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Speaker 1: That's really the one flow.

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Speaker 8: This is a team that set the NBA record for

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Speaker 8: point differential in the season. I mean, they've been absolutely dominant.

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Speaker 1: So now, if the Nuggets.

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Speaker 8: Were playing the Wolves, well, actually I'm sorry, if Snuggets

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Speaker 8: playing the Warriors, I probably would pick the Nuggets in

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Speaker 8: that series, but that's not the way the brackets broke.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so I think the.

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Speaker 8: Warriors have a better chance to beat the Wolves than

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Speaker 8: the Nuggets do beating the Thunder. I'm not sure the

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Speaker 8: Warriors have a great chance of beating the Wolves.

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if and I'm just looking at the playoff rosters.

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Speaker 1: So it's recency biased that.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 1: It used to be you were trying to get three

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Speaker 1: big names, three stars. Now it feels like two is great,

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Speaker 1: but you really need to have depth. Cleveland, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Indiana,

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Speaker 1: ok See, Boston like they have, you know, two really

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Speaker 1: good players or one great player and then you have depth.

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Speaker 1: There is that kind of the model now moving forward

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Speaker 1: that Okac is put in front of.

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Speaker 8: Us, well, and I just think that to have a

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Speaker 8: big three, especially if they're three max guys. It's gonna

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Speaker 8: be tough to build your roster out from there with

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Speaker 8: all the handcuffs that are in the new CBA. And

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Speaker 8: you know, the Suns are kind of an extreme example

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Speaker 8: of well, they had their big three and you know,

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Speaker 8: there wasn't a whole lot around that. Plus those three

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Speaker 8: guys didn't necessarily they fit very well together, and really

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Speaker 8: it was a big two and then a huge third salary.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, depth matters and role players matter. There's only

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Speaker 8: one basketball, right, so you're not gonna have three guys

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Speaker 8: scoring thirty a game, you know, but you do. It's

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Speaker 8: still a superstars league. Just be clear, Like the Houston

553
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Speaker 8: Rockets are deep, they're athletic, they're tough, they're relentless. They

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Speaker 8: don't have a superstar. If they get a superstar, which

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Speaker 8: you know will be an interesting summer, the Houston Rockets

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Speaker 8: have a chance to be right in the thicke of

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Speaker 8: things as soon as next season. But if you don't

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Speaker 8: have and like the Thunder, the Thunder have one superstar,

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Speaker 8: two all star caliber guys, I would say, and by

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Speaker 8: the way, we could argue if that Shay Jaylen Williams,

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Speaker 8: chet Holme win three, Chet Holme win thing will be

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Speaker 8: a big three soon. But then they played ten guys

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Speaker 8: by the first second of the and quarter every game,

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Speaker 8: and it's like a tough decision, Well, which good player

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Speaker 8: is not going to get in there? You know, we

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Speaker 8: got like twelve or thirteen guys with rotation calber dudes

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Speaker 8: that matters.

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Speaker 1: Can the next beat the Celtics?

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Speaker 8: I mean can? I guess it's hard for me to

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Speaker 8: kind of figure out the pathway. The Celtics have a

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Speaker 8: clean injury report now, which is huge obviously with Drew

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Speaker 8: Holiday missing time last series and Jaylen Brown's been banged up. Porzingis,

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Speaker 8: you know, the next need Jalen Brunston to be an

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Speaker 8: absolute superhero and he's dealing with Drew Holliday and Derek

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Speaker 8: White and a little bit of Jaylen Brown and then

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Speaker 8: you know Porzingis and Horford and the paint.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: Maybe call Anthony Towns has a series of his life,

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Speaker 8: but this would be a massive upset.

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Speaker 1: Karl Anthony Toones, you mean the greatest shooting big men

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Speaker 1: of all time?

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Speaker 8: Spigs promote self proclaimed greatest shooting a big man of

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Speaker 8: all time?

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Speaker 1: Who is the greatest shooting big man of all time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm based in Dallas. There's a

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Speaker 1: German seven foot fellow by the name of Dirt Novitski

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Speaker 1: who probably would stay claim of that title. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess you could tell me, well, he was a

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Speaker 1: power forward, not a big man.

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Speaker 8: But that's the guy who revolutionized the league as a

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Speaker 8: seven footer who was bombing away. And that's the dude

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Speaker 8: who's six all time on the scoring list. Gave him

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Speaker 8: the nod.

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Speaker 1: Best shooting center of all time. Now Cat has a

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Speaker 1: claim there. He has a real claim there. Now you

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Speaker 1: know the knock there would be.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but he's had his most playoff success when they

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Speaker 8: had to pair him with another big man because he's

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Speaker 8: not a defensive anchor. Nobody ever accused Dirk could be

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Speaker 8: a defensive anchor.

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Speaker 1: Either. He was an anchor. He was being weighed down.

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Speaker 1: He had an anchor on his back there. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about this when you talk about players

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Speaker 1: who had a signature move that changed the game or

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Speaker 1: a style like Dirk changed the game for all big men.

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Speaker 1: Steph with his ability to shoot threes, Harden to a

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Speaker 1: certain degree with his.

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Speaker 8: To one hundred percent degree. Okay, well, now that step back,

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Speaker 8: step back changed the game for sure, and what Luca

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Speaker 8: has done with that that started with Harden one hundred percent.

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Speaker 8: Like Harden was launching more step back threes than like

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Speaker 8: the rest of the league combined. Early on during that

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Speaker 8: that Houston run and the step back three became a

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Speaker 8: common weapon because of Harden, just like that one legged

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Speaker 8: fadeaway became a common weapon because of Dirk. So Harden

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Speaker 8: absolutely gets credit for the step back revolution.

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Speaker 1: Now does Sharunus Marshall onas or who gets credit for

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Speaker 1: the euro step?

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Speaker 8: I would say is most commonly associated with Genobili. Genobla

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Speaker 8: is the guy who took it to the next level,

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Speaker 8: which is always fun to me. I know he played

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Speaker 8: in Europe, but he's not European, so but no, Genobli

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Speaker 8: is the one who that became a move that's in

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Speaker 8: everybody's bag because Genobili had so much success with it.

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Speaker 1: But it's okay, out of all those moves, what move

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Speaker 1: is used more by more players more often? Is it

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Speaker 1: the eurostep?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's probably got to beat the eurostep. I think

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Speaker 8: every every ballhandler has the eurostep, and you know, it's

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Speaker 8: become a thing where there's so many different variations of

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Speaker 8: it now and now there's the deceleration where these guys,

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's really some of the balance is amazing,

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Speaker 8: where these guys are like balancing on one foot and

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Speaker 8: just letting traffic pass by or you know. I mean,

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Speaker 8: so it just it gets added on more and more

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Speaker 8: and more and more every year. But yeah, the euro step,

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Speaker 8: I will go eurostep probably the one later after that,

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Speaker 8: because it's not just the big man, like I mean,

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Speaker 8: Durant has it, Lebron has it. You know, a bunch

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Speaker 8: of these, you know, bigger wings and guards had that

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Speaker 8: as well as the big man. And then you know

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Speaker 8: the step back three And I would say you could

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Speaker 8: argue the step back three is maybe the most abused

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Speaker 8: move of those because there are definitely people who are

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Speaker 8: taking step back threees.

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Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, maybe maybe maybe we should just move

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Speaker 1: the ball there. Have fun. We appreciate you joining us, Tim,

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Speaker 1: Thank you all right, appreciate you having me. Jim McMahon

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Speaker 1: he is a reporter for The Mothership Ben McMahon podcast

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Speaker 1: on the Hoop Collective and his book on Luca the

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Speaker 1: Wonder Boy. It's available wherever you get your books. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, we will give you our best and

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Speaker 1: worst of the weekend. Be sure to catch the live

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Speaker 1: edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am

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Speaker 1: Eastern six am Pacific on Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.

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Speaker 1: Time for our best and worst of the weekend, we'll

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Speaker 1: get to more phone calls coming up. Former NBA player

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Speaker 1: Jim Jackson will join his final hour at the program tonight,

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Speaker 1: Nick Celtics and Nuggets in the thunder around the same

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Speaker 1: point spread around nine to nine and a half for

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Speaker 1: both of those visiting teams. Todd, I'll start with you.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we were revisiting some food stories that

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Speaker 1: we have here and one Seaton got pizza, a small

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Speaker 1: pizza after the show, and Todd thinks everything is you know, community,

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Speaker 1: and just walk by and goes, now, that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about and put his hand in there and grabbed

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Speaker 1: a slice of pizza from Seaton.

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Speaker 6: Whatever reason, I thought there was a pizza party going on,

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Speaker 6: and I should have at least asked us.

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Speaker 1: So if there was, it was a small, small pizza.

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Speaker 6: I would Dan order like several small pizzas. It doesn't

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Speaker 6: make sense anyway, I guess that's.

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Speaker 8: What I did.

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Speaker 1: It's turned into several small pizza. Yeah, there was one

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Speaker 1: small pizza, Todd. It was seatons and you walked No.

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Speaker 6: I assume that maybe there's some others that are in

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Speaker 6: the back that haven't been brought out to the frontiers.

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Speaker 6: One small pizza falls, but there's a pizza party going on.

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Speaker 4: I guess the.

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Speaker 1: Grevis slides, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, most cars

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Speaker 1: better get make coach actually birthed one of my most

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Speaker 1: favorite T shirts we ever made here. It was like

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Speaker 1: a picture of Todd looking like you ever see like

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Speaker 1: almost like chef boyardy or so other word. He's like

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Speaker 1: spinning the pizza on top of his seg and it

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Speaker 1: was for like Fritzy's Pizza or something like that. And

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Speaker 1: the big catchphrase was that's what I'm talking about. Didn't

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Speaker 1: sell much, but man, was at a great shirt.

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Speaker 8: Boy.

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Speaker 1: You were so excited. I was great you locked in

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Speaker 1: on that pizza. I really was.

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Speaker 6: And then when scene got so upset with me, I

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Speaker 6: went from joy to like, oh my god, what did

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Speaker 6: I do all right?

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Speaker 1: Best and worst of the weekend Todd to help his

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Speaker 1: team win four.

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Speaker 6: To three at Fenway on Saturday, twins second base when

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Speaker 6: Cody Clemens hit a sixth inning home run to right

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Speaker 6: field while the family was in attendance, including his famous dad,

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Speaker 6: the Rocket Roger Clemens. A fan through the ball back

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Speaker 6: from the stand, so Cody was able to get his

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Speaker 6: home run ball. So that was kind of cool that yeah,

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Speaker 6: Rogers Soason hit a home run at Fenway.

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Speaker 1: Worst.

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Speaker 6: After blowing a two to zero lead to the Dallas

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Speaker 6: Stars Saturday night, the Avalanche become the first team to

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Speaker 6: lose seven consecutive game sevens in the NHL playoffs dating

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Speaker 6: back to two They now hold the dubious record of

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Speaker 6: being the first team ever in Major League Baseball, NBA

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Speaker 6: or NHL history to lose seven straight game sevens.

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Speaker 1: Okay, see O'Connor. Best and worst.

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Speaker 7: My best of the weekend Miko Rantonen of the Dallas Stars. Phenomenal,

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Speaker 7: My guy, not only a hat trick to knock out

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Speaker 7: your former team, but to do that in the in

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Speaker 7: the playoffs is phenomenal. My worst of the weekend is

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Speaker 7: being the Avalanche realizing the guy that just knocked you out,

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Speaker 7: left the team because of five hundred thousand dollars. So

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Speaker 7: that was the contract dispute was over five hundred thousand dollars,

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Speaker 7: and that you let him go over that.

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Speaker 1: That's tough. Marvin Best and worst of the weekend.

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Speaker 4: My best of the weekend the dever Nuggets as a

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Speaker 4: whole balance scoring attack, six players scoring at least fifteen points,

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Speaker 4: So good for the Nuggets. Worst of the weekend the

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Speaker 4: Rockets in the paint. They missed thirty two shots in

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Speaker 4: the paint. No buena, Paul Besson. Worst of the week

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Speaker 4: Best of the weekend. Buddy Healed of the Warriors thirty

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Speaker 4: three points yesterday to carry them for the first three quarters.

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Speaker 4: I did see headlines Steph Curry's late magic wins it

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Speaker 4: for the Warriors.

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Speaker 5: Buddy Hale did not make the headlines. Another best of

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Speaker 5: the weekend. I don't know what the names of the

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Speaker 5: guys are the people are who help get the horses

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Speaker 5: into the starting gate, But man, those guys have a

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Speaker 5: tough job. You're trying to get these horses in. You're

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Speaker 5: at a time crunch and you are physically pushing a horse,

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Speaker 5: and the horses are kicking and you're not wearing like

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Speaker 5: a suit of armor.

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Speaker 1: That's a tough gig. Tyrese Haliburton had twenty two and

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Speaker 1: thirteen as the Pacers beat the Calves, and Donovan Mitchell

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Speaker 1: had thirty three in the laws. So he scored thirty

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Speaker 1: or more points in game one of eight consecutive playoffs here.

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Speaker 1: That breaks the record of seven straight set by Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 1: who did it twice. Ooh a day, Stan Day, Stata day,

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Speaker 1: Stannata day. This is the style of the day I

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Speaker 1: brought you by Pennini America. I was telling seton I

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Speaker 1: was locked in on Facebook over the weekend watching videos

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Speaker 1: and I stumbled across some led Zeppelin concert videos and uh,

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Speaker 1: it was just footage from led Zeppelin in concert. And

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Speaker 1: I remember going to a concert led Zepplin in nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy five, and I didn't remember how there's nothing going

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Speaker 1: on now. When you go to a show now, it's

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Speaker 1: not like you know a Phish concert or but there's

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Speaker 1: things going on. The stage is lit up, there's background stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's wild. And there was nothing going

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Speaker 1: on with led Zeppelin. It was Robert Plant and Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Page and then you'd have John Bonham, maybe John Paul Jones,

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Speaker 1: you know, they'd have him on just a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but you'd have spotlights on them. That was it. The

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Speaker 1: audience isn't you know? Lights aren't on in the audience

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Speaker 1: behind the band. There's there's nothing up there. There's no

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Speaker 1: images or nothing, nothing. And I was wondering Seton and

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Speaker 1: I were talking about who started stage presence, and my

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Speaker 1: first thought was Pink Floyd when they did animals. I

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Speaker 1: saw them in concert and they had, you know, floating

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Speaker 1: balloons that were animals, and it felt like it was

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Speaker 1: more of a stage feeling or present. And then Seeting goes,

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Speaker 1: well what about kiss and I go, yep, that was it.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm trying to think of anybody else was

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Speaker 1: had a big stage performance in in arenas stadiums. Yeah, Seton,

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Speaker 1: maybe I get you have to correct my timeline on

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Speaker 1: all this, but I think the who would be in

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Speaker 1: there too? They well, there's with Tommy. I mean I

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Speaker 1: felt Tommy was a big, big production, wasn't it. Yes? Yes,

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Speaker 1: but their performance was usually Townsend smashing his guitar and

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Speaker 1: Keith Moon falling into his drum kit.

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Speaker 7: But that whole like sort of like it's just a

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Speaker 7: stage with musicians. Yeah, I feel like maybe they helped.

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Speaker 7: You know, somebody will correct me on this, but like Quadraphia,

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Speaker 7: stay in your lane. Well, at least I saw these bands,

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Speaker 7: so I can say I did see them. Stay in

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Speaker 7: your lane, all right. Two hours in the books on

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Speaker 7: this Monday. More of your phone calls, best and worst

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Speaker 7: of the weekend, Final Hour Right ahead,