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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. It

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Speaker 2: is Debate Day in Milwaukee. I am here in Milwaukee

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Speaker 2: with all of you. Simultaneously, Donald Trump is doing an

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Speaker 2: interview with Tucker Carlson which will appear at the same time.

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Speaker 2: It is going to be a wild day. Indeed, right

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Speaker 2: off the top, thank you to everybody who came out

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Speaker 2: to the Paps Theater last night in Milwaukee. Our WISN

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Speaker 2: It was a spectacular night eighteen ninety five that theater

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Speaker 2: We had an amazing time. Dan O'donald's going to jump

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Speaker 2: I cannot tell you how fabulous everything has been, how

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Speaker 2: Thanks for making American Playbook the number one book best

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Speaker 2: we have got a show for you as we get

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Speaker 2: ready for the debate tonight. I already went over to

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Speaker 2: the location in Milwaukee. Fox News is set up there.

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Speaker 2: I did the show Fox and Friends with Brian Kilmead

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Speaker 2: this morning, Martha McCollum, Brett Bahar. Ready, there are eight

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Speaker 2: Republican candidates going to be on the stage, but the

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Speaker 2: shadow of Donald Trump looms large. Trump is going to

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Speaker 2: turn himself in in Atlanta tomorrow, and I would submit

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Speaker 2: that that means there is a relatively small window where

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Speaker 2: people are going to be reacting to what happens on

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Speaker 2: the debate stage. And also we'll see what happens between

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Speaker 2: Trump and Tucker and how that impacts the viewership for

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Speaker 2: this debate. A couple of little details that are out there.

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Speaker 2: Doug Berghum, the governor of North Dakota, went to the

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Speaker 2: er after being injured playing pickup basketball and said he's

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Speaker 1: I think playing pickup basketball.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you. I've played pickup basketball my

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Speaker 2: my kids. But they're uncertain if he is going to

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Speaker 2: be able to stand on the stage. And if you

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Speaker 2: wanted to know what is the worst possible scenario you

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Speaker 2: could find yourself, it's to spend tens of millions of

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Speaker 2: when a lot of people don't know you, and then

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Speaker 2: on the stage. So we'll see what ends up happening there.

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Speaker 2: But I think the big picture story here is can

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Speaker 2: It was interesting last night we were talking to Milwaukee audience.

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Speaker 2: I just had the audience cheer, and I would say

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Speaker 2: about sixty percent of the audience last night in Milwaukee

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Speaker 2: was going to be supporting someone other than Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: forty percent for Trump, which is a big number. Sixty

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Speaker 2: Well that's a pretty decent sized audience. Several hundred of you,

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Speaker 2: submit to you that DeSantis will not be on this ticket.

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Speaker 1: He won't do it. I think he would sit out.

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Speaker 2: I would submit to you that Chris Christy has zero

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Speaker 2: Now I am flying to New York City this afternoon

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Speaker 2: a theory I don't Usually when I did sports, I

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Speaker 2: Same thing I think is going to be true of

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Speaker 2: And so I think DeSantis is going to get assailed

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Speaker 2: How normal is he going to sing? You win oftentimes

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Speaker 2: that's why I think Vivey Gramaswami's perspective is interesting. You

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Speaker 2: This is an opportunity for all of these Republican candidates

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Speaker 2: doing an interview with Tucker Carlson. Remember, Tucker Carlson is

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Speaker 2: got a lot to discuss. Ron Johnson, Senator from Wisconsin,

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Speaker 2: And hey, I would just put this out there. There's

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Speaker 2: by twenty six thousand votes. I don't think you can

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Speaker 2: He has won in Wisconsin. That's what Republicans have to

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Speaker 2: weighing in about a variety of perspectives. We're going to

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Speaker 1: I had so much fun.

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Speaker 1: Just for the record. Donald Trump's counter programming is horrible.

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Speaker 5: I don't think anybody's going to be watching Tucker Calson

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Trump turning himself in for his fourth indictment

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Speaker 6: To answer your question? One hundred percent, I will be

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Speaker 2: Do you hear anybody else, Vivian, that you're friends with

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Speaker 6: Absolutely? Absolutely, Because see, I know what Donald Trump is

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Speaker 2: they're not going to show up. And really, I would

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Speaker 2: say the most antagonistic aspect of the primary right now

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Speaker 2: is the Trump versus DeSantis battle, because DeSantis is still

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Speaker 2: in second place and it's been in many ways a

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Speaker 2: one sided battle so far, because DeSantis has been losing

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Speaker 2: ground against Trump. Does that start to change tonight? I

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Speaker 2: think it's a very intriguing question. But I think the

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Speaker 2: people who are trying to get the attention by saying

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be willing to vote for the Republican

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Speaker 2: candidate unless it's my guy. The more face to face

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Speaker 2: conversations I have, the more I think those people are

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Speaker 2: just trying to get attention. I think they are screaming loudly,

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Speaker 2: and most of them would get in line and end

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Speaker 2: up voting for whomever the Republican nominee is. And we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have by the way, Ron Johnson, Senator from Wisconsin,

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Speaker 2: at the start of the next hour, I'll ask him

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Speaker 2: about that and whether he sees that when he's out

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Speaker 2: and about talking to everyone regarding this primary season. Howard

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Speaker 2: in San Clemente, California. Beautiful place of the country, San Clemente, California.

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Speaker 1: What you got for.

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Speaker 7: Us, Hey, Craig, thanks for taking the call, and first

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Speaker 7: off every day. You and Buck make Rush very very proud.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, well, I appreciate that that means a lot

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Speaker 2: a lot of people saying that in Milwaukee. Let me

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Speaker 2: remind you as well if I haven't said it so far,

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Speaker 2: in this first hour, Buck is in Scotland with his

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Speaker 2: lovely wife Carrie. He will be back on Monday, but

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Speaker 2: that is where he is. If you are wondering why

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Speaker 2: you are only hearing my voice today and this week,

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Speaker 2: but thanks Howard Clay.

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Speaker 7: Let me try to sum up my thoughts with coach

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Speaker 7: herm Edwoods football. Coach, you're a sports fan. A lot

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Speaker 7: of the viewers and listeners are. You play to win

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Speaker 7: the game, and that's the most important thing. We have

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Speaker 7: to win. And the candidate that has the most passion

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Speaker 7: support is Donald Trump. So let the next two weeks

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Speaker 7: play out. I don't know that any candidate is going

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Speaker 7: to surface that is going to separate himself from the

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Speaker 7: rest per se, but I think we have to coalect

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Speaker 7: around Trump. We've got to get everybody signed up to

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Speaker 7: say this is our candidate. Because the Dems want to

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Speaker 7: get him all about his legal problems. Well, guess who's

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Speaker 7: got more legal problems that are more accurate than Joe Biden.

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Speaker 7: So we've got to get McCarthy's going to do his role,

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Speaker 7: and he's going to go ahead with that impeachment inquiry,

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Speaker 7: and that's going to get front page headlines. The walls

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Speaker 7: are closing on him. So we, like you said yesterday,

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Speaker 7: you're going to work your tail off for the next

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Speaker 7: sixteen months, Okay, going around the country doing everything you can. Well,

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Speaker 7: we need all the surrogates doing the same thing. We

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Speaker 7: need to have one message, one mission, and that's to

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Speaker 7: get our in the White House. We as independents, Republicans, conservatives,

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Speaker 7: everybody has got to realize the option is not viable.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the call, Howard, and I agree with

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Speaker 2: you and the pledge that I will make, and I

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Speaker 2: feel very comfortable saying this for Buck two. I don't

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Speaker 2: know that anyone is going to work harder on the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four election in media than myself and Buck.

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Speaker 2: I will have nothing left when you hear me talking

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Speaker 2: on this radio program on election Day twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: and really we got election month, which is why it's

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Speaker 2: going to be such an incredible challenge. You will hear

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Speaker 2: in my voice, my goodness, Clay's barely sleeping. He's traveling

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Speaker 2: all over the country. This book tour has been a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a preview of what I am going

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Speaker 2: to be doing to get ready for the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four election, because I think it matters so much, And

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Speaker 2: I was talking about this last night. We're going to

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Speaker 2: talk with Dan O'Donnell in a little bit. I am

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Speaker 2: not going to have any energy left, and that to

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Speaker 2: me is a sign that you have done everything by

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Speaker 2: the time all of the votes start to come in.

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Speaker 2: And I really do feel whomever the nominee ends up being,

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Speaker 2: that we're gonna beat Joe Biden if he's the nominee.

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Speaker 2: And I think they're still going to move on from

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, and we're going to play in this next

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Speaker 2: hour some audio for you of them trying to cover

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Speaker 2: up how awful Joe Biden was in Hawaii. But every

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Speaker 2: single time Joe Biden is out in public, there is

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Speaker 2: some sort of snaffo, some sort of error that further

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Speaker 2: demonstrates that he doesn't have the mental or physical capacity

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Speaker 2: to be president of the United States. And in many ways,

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Speaker 2: I feel sorry for Joe Biden because can you imagine

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Speaker 2: if you had wanted a job your whole life, and

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Speaker 2: you had worked for it for fifty years, and then

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Speaker 2: you got it long after you were capable of doing it.

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Speaker 2: Imagine if you wanted to win a super Bowl and

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Speaker 2: you never got to play in the super Bowl and

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Speaker 2: suddenly you got to play in it when you were

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Speaker 2: sixty five years old, you would get absolutely obliterated. You

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have the physical, probably the mental ability to do

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Speaker 2: that job anymore. And that, I feel like is what

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Speaker 2: he should have been in this position. I don't think

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Speaker 2: Get to know the guys outside the issues. Sunday hang

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Speaker 2: with Clay and Vodka. You podcast fight it on the

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Speaker 2: iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcomeack In, Clay,

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Speaker 2: Travis bucksexon show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

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Speaker 2: We are joined now by the man who did a

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Speaker 2: fabulous event. I thought last night. I think the reaction

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Speaker 2: has been great in Milwaukee at the Paps Theater, Dan O'Donnell,

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Speaker 2: he is killing it in Milwaukee on eleven thirty AM

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Speaker 2: WII in just total dominance in the ratings, the market here,

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Speaker 2: everything else. Congratulations to you your family was there. What

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Speaker 2: was your biggest takeaway from the audience and their reaction

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Speaker 2: to our conversation about the battleground that is Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, the optimism.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're I think a lot more optimistic than

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Speaker 4: I am about twenty two and then.

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Speaker 1: Buck is to be fair, I tend to be an optimist.

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Speaker 4: We're sort of cynics and pessimists by nature. But I

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Speaker 4: think a lot of people here in what is almost

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Speaker 4: certainly going to be, along with Georgia and Arizona, the

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Speaker 4: critical swing state, I think we believe that. Honestly, President

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Speaker 4: Trump only lost by twenty thousand votes three years ago,

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Speaker 4: and he won by about twenty thousand votes in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 4: It is that close in a state of five point

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Speaker 4: eight million people. There's a lot of work to be done, sure,

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Speaker 4: but it's not the heavy lift of say, convincing one

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand people to change their votes, are getting one

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand new voters out to the polls, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Wisconsin. Well, you just mentioned how close it was

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Speaker 2: in sixteen. Trump wins by a small margin, loses by

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Speaker 2: a small margin in twenty How would you set the

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Speaker 2: odds right now with Trump were the nominee and if

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Speaker 2: it weren't Trump, Is there anybody that you see that

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Speaker 2: could be on that stage tonight and you say, man,

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Speaker 2: that guy or that girl would kill. I think on

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Speaker 2: Wisconsin with the with appealing to Republican voters.

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Speaker 4: I know Ron DeSantis is very strong here in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: What do you attribute that to.

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Speaker 4: Well, we've got a lot of Wisconsin nights here when

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Speaker 4: it's five below zero mid in mid January, they snowbird

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Speaker 4: down to Florida a great point, and a lot of

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Speaker 4: people because Florida has no state income tax and Wisconsin

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Speaker 4: has a relatively high state income tax, they've actually become

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Speaker 4: Florida residents.

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Speaker 2: My mom among them, who I met last night in

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Speaker 2: is fabulous. She lives in the Naples area where we're

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Speaker 2: big down right now. I appreciate everybody listening there.

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Speaker 4: And you know what, people love what he has done

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Speaker 4: with the state of Florida. If the nominate is President Trump,

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Speaker 4: I think it's going to be perhaps more difficult because

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Speaker 4: we just had a state Supreme Court election in which

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Speaker 4: the candidate for the Conservatives was tied very deeply to Trump.

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Speaker 4: He lost by ten percentage points. In fact, Wisconsin in

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Speaker 4: the twenty sixteen primary was the last state that President

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Speaker 4: Trump lost. There is a substantial I'm not going to

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Speaker 4: call it never Trump movement, but still there are suburbanites

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Speaker 4: who kind of bristle at President Trump, and therefore I

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Speaker 4: think there's an opening for someone else here. Whether that's

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Speaker 4: going to matter because our primary isn't until next April,

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Speaker 4: remains to be seen quickly here.

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Speaker 2: And it's a tough question. How much do you think

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Speaker 2: abortion matters in Wisconsin? Oh, I think it's huge.

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Speaker 4: I think the state Supreme Court race turned on two issues.

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Speaker 4: It was President Trump and it was abortion is going

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Speaker 4: to be a big, big issue moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Here he is Dan O'Donnell.

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Speaker 2: We had so much fun the station, WISN and Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: Keep killing it, my man. Tell your family, we appreciate them.

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Speaker 2: Come out to and thank you to all who came

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Speaker 2: out last night. We are going to be joined next

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Speaker 2: by the Senator who won by twenty six thousand votes

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Speaker 2: in Wisconsin. What does he think needs to happen for

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Speaker 2: Wisconsin to go back red in twenty twenty four and

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Speaker 2: what does he believe We're going to see on the

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Speaker 2: stage tonight in Milwaukee. Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin in

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Speaker 2: studio with us here in Milwaukee next