1 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: What is happening my people? John middlecop three and out 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: podcast coming to you live Slash recording because it's a 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: podcast Thursday afternoon. Hopefully if you're listening to this, you're 4 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: having a good Friday, having a good weekend, and uh 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: looking forward to the draft, which is as I'm recording this, 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: officially two weeks from today. Literally two weeks exactly from 7 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: what I'm recording this. It's almost five o'clock. I think 8 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: the draft kicks off at five, so you do the math. 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: Fourteen days it is here, and it's someone who lives 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: in the Berry and talks a lot about the Niners. 11 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: Thank you Jesus, you cannot get here fast enough. I 12 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: am ready. It is time to end this entire thing 13 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: and just have these guys start coming off the boards 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: so we can start figuring out who's going where, because 15 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: it's let's just do it. And Trevor Lawrence gonna have 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: some thoughts. He made some comments. We know he's going one. 17 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: I thought a lot about Edelman. Have a couple of 18 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: things on Edelman. There was an article about the Eagles 19 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: and just the drama there. I have a take on that, 20 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: and then the NFL p A and the NFL butting 21 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: heads a little bit, and I think the NFL is 22 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: not happy right now with the O T A s 23 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: and some of the boycott's going on with the off 24 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: season activities. I have a couple of thoughts there as 25 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: of course, subscribe to the Three and Out podcasts separate 26 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: from Collins Feed. If you listen on Collins Feed, I 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: greatly appreciate that. 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TikTok 37 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: Instagram dramatically better than Twitter. Sad to say, I deleted 38 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: Twitter off my phone because I found it impacting my 39 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: mood and I was like, God, this pisces me off. 40 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: All these people I follow I just want their sports 41 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: takes and they give me their life takes, and it's 42 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: just I don't I don't care, and it makes me angry, 43 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: and just politics but not even talking. Just you just 44 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: get inundated with everything. I deleted it from my phone 45 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: last week. I can't tell you how much more happy 46 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 1: I've been. I just go on it when I'm sitting 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: at my desk if i want to load, you know, 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 1: tweet out a link or whatever, retweet something. But other 49 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: than that, I have spent way less time on my phone. 50 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: So it's basically trying to give myself some credit for 51 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: something that is pretty embarrassing. But it worked, you know, 52 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: so you gotta change if you don't want to keep 53 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: feeling the same way. Let's start with Trevor Lawrence and 54 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: we had some comments that came out. I think it 55 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: was an s I story that basically just alluded to 56 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: football not being everything. And this is a this is 57 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: a trigger for the sports media that they are obsessed 58 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: with balance. They love people that have balanced lives, even 59 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: though the history of sports, all the best players have 60 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: not been guys with balance, right, I mean, we're in 61 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: the midst of having a front row seat to the 62 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: greatest quarterback in the history of the sport, and he 63 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: is the most imbalanced person that's ever played football. He's 64 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: changed his entire life to keep playing football. He eats 65 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: avocado ice cream. His TV twelve methods are just I 66 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: think most people think are kind of wacko, But to him, 67 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: he has dedicated all this stuff off the field to 68 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: continue to play at the highest level we've ever seen. 69 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, these guys were maniacal. Cal Ripken didn't miss 70 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: a game for however long I I said the other day, 71 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: maybe I said it on another pod, but I ran 72 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: into Bill Romanowski, who you know, I consider him a buddy, 73 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: but you know I haven't seen him in a while. 74 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: Ran into him at the gym. The guy didn't miss 75 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: a game for sixteen straight seasons. Do you know how 76 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: much you playing middle linebacker back when they were physical? 77 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: Do you know how much you have to be obsessed 78 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: with football to not miss a game? You get injured 79 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: like every other play when you play linebacker. Now my 80 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: take on balance in general, I've always loved the quote 81 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: from my favorite book that I've ever read was Loan 82 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: Survivor Marcus Lutrell. Obviously, Mark Wahlberg remade the movie. The 83 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: movie was really good, but the book was really powerful. 84 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: But there was a scene in the movie where they're 85 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: kind of going through before they go out on their mission, 86 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: and they have this young guy in front of kind 87 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: of the of the Navy seals like kind of recite 88 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: some creed back to them, like some Navy seal type motto, 89 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: and one of the lions in there was anything worth 90 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: doing is worth overdoing. And I think a lot of 91 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: times when the media here was like, Oh, this guy's 92 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: not that means his his life is all out of 93 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: whack and he's a bad family guy. Well, the way 94 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: that I've always thought about it, and the people that 95 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: I've always admired, when they're working, they're all in. They're 96 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,559 Speaker 1: giving you everything they have, whether that's the five hours 97 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: they're working, whether that's the twenty hours they're working, whatever 98 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: they're working is they're all in, like Brady, like Manning, 99 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: like any good businessman. And then when their home with 100 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: their family, they're all in on their kids. If they 101 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: gotta go right to a to a game of their child, 102 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: if they got to go somewhere with their wife there, 103 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: you you can be an elite family man an elite businessman. 104 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: Now it's hard. Like when you're with the other sometimes 105 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: you have to tune it out or turn it off. 106 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: And if you work in football, obviously you have a 107 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: bad game, you come home. You can't carry the game over. 108 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: If you have a bad day at work, you can't 109 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: bring it home. But you can be unbalanced in both 110 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: elements of your life and be great at it. I believe. 111 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: And the media loves here, and you know he just 112 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: he only will work four hours then we'll go all 113 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: and that. They're obsessed with balance, even though in this 114 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: world that we talk about, the sporting world, the best 115 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: athletes by a mile, have been people that weren't balanced historically. 116 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: Now there are some examples, right, Julio, Because one thing, 117 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence said he does not watch football on Sunday. 118 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: Julio Jones doesn't watch football on Sunday either. No one cares. 119 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: He plays wide receiver. You know who watched football and 120 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: Sundays when they were in college. I'm sure Peyton Manning, 121 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Andrew Luckton now Andrew luck And I think 122 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: that's part of his quotes because one of the things 123 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: his dad says is he's not obsessed with winning a 124 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl at all costs. His high school coach said 125 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: he could walk away from football and be fine. And 126 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: those comments to me, we're like whoa. Andrew Luck said 127 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: very similar things. This does not define Trevor Lawrence because 128 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: I think it Clemson. They would say he was all in. 129 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: He gave us everything he had. It was all about football. 130 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: When he was in our building, he was great. They're 131 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: singing his praises. They love the guy. Right now, when 132 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: he goes home, he might not be thinking about football, 133 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: and that's probably where with the Peyton Mannings, the tom Brady's, 134 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: they are thinking about football, and ultimately they are Patrick Mahomes. 135 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: I say this a lot, but when I talk to 136 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: my buddies with the Chiefs, they go like, it's may 137 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: Man just ran into Patrick Mahomes just in here, working 138 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: out in here, watching some tape. He's a junkie. That's 139 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: the best player in the league, a junkie. Josh Allen. 140 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: If you follow Jordan Palmer on Instagram, he's constantly working 141 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: out with Josh Allen in the off season, when Josh 142 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: Allen could just be chilling. Pretty clear from my vantage point, 143 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: Josh Allen and no one. Sean McDermott is a football junkie. 144 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson what he does and puts himself through to 145 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: be a good football player football junkie. Now, that doesn't 146 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: mean that Trevor Lawrence isn't gonna do these things Andrew 147 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: Luck did. The reason Andrew Luck walked away wasn't because 148 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: he didn't love foot ball. It was because his body 149 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: took a ship on him. It's because the offensive line 150 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: that Ryan Grigson built would have got the incredible Hulk injured. 151 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: It got Andrew Luck killed and he couldn't go through 152 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: the rehab process for like the third straight year. I 153 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: guess they weren't all back to back years, but he 154 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: had missed the season he was rehabbing again. It just 155 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: mentally broke him. Now, ultimately, I think we're the football 156 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: love of Andrew Luck having other interests. He never came back, right, 157 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: I would have assumed a couple of years out, like, 158 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: I bet Andrew will come back. That to me where 159 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: it came in. Now here's the thing. Andrew Luck in 160 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: college had a ton of success. He was part of 161 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: one of the greatest runs in Stanford football history. I 162 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: think he took him their first BCS game in school history. 163 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: He was used to winning, and then he got to 164 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: the Colts, who really people forget like they weren't your 165 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: normal two and fourteen team. They were just a two 166 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: and fourteen team because Peyton Manny was missing. So when 167 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: he came back, they had Reggie Wayne, they had Robert 168 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: mat at this they had Dwight Freeney, like they had 169 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: some players. And then Andrew Luck was awesome and boom 170 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: they made the playoffs three straight years. And then he 171 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: started getting injured and then it kind of got derailed. 172 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: So he from Stanford to really his first three years 173 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: in the Pros, all Andrew Luck knew was success. Trevor 174 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: Lawrence has not, you know, had any adversity in his career. 175 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Losing in the National Championship or losing in 176 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: the Final four is not adversity. He never lost in 177 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: the regular season in the pros. He's going to the Jags. 178 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: Look at the last decade where the Jags draft, They 179 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: draft in the top five basically every year. The Urban 180 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: Meyers never coached in the NFL. Now, you could call 181 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: me an Urban Meyer hater, and I would say, yeah, 182 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: there's probably some validity to that. I will not dispute 183 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: him being a great coach, elite college coach. He's won 184 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: everywhere he's been. There is gonna be a learning curve 185 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: in the NFL. I don't think it would be out 186 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: of the realm of possibility that they went five or 187 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: six games this year. Trevor Lawrence was used to winning 188 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: five games in fucking September. More than likely they're gonna 189 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: be like five and you gotta do the new math 190 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: he used to be. You know what, would you be 191 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: five and eleven this year? You'd be five and twelve? 192 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: Five and twelve, I mean that's that's twelve losses. So 193 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: if if it doesn't go well for a couple of years, 194 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: that to me is where the not the love of football? 195 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: Because if you watch Trevor Lawrence, I think he plays 196 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: like he loves the game. To me, there's a difference 197 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: between love, Like Julio Jones does not watch football, but 198 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: when you watch Julio Jones, you go, yeah, he loves 199 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: playing the game. Is Julio Jones obsessed with the game. 200 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: I think he's got on record saying he's not. To me, 201 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: where you have to be obsessive is as the quarterback 202 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: and as a guy that I'm gonna invest my entire 203 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: franchise in. What about when times go wrong? Because when 204 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: times went wrong for Andrew and his body went out 205 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: on him, he just couldn't handle it anymore. I don't 206 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: necessarily blame. I don't know what type pain he was feeling. 207 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: It had to be a lot. But where it really 208 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: showed through, like I said, was two years later, where 209 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: he probably felt a lot of Andrew luck probably feels 210 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: fantastic today. Clearly doesn't cross his mind to come back. 211 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: He's over it now. Listen. I'm someone I love sports. 212 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: I dedicated my life to them. I happened to get 213 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: on the path to work in football. I made it 214 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: to the NFL, worked in scouting, right, it was cool. 215 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: Then I got derailed and started doing other things, and 216 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: I was like, God, I kind of like doing these 217 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: other things. Now I do this. So clearly a lot 218 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: of my friends that still work in the NFL, they 219 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: were obsessed with the NFL. I saw it firsthand. I 220 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: remember working around people, whether it was Lewis Riddick, Howie Roseman, 221 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: Andy Reid, Brett Veach, other guys that you wouldn't know 222 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: that still work in the NFL, and like they liked 223 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: the ship more than me, and I like it, I 224 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: like it more than of people, but I didn't like 225 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: it more than that one. Right, they were obsessed and 226 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: that's why several of them have Super Bowl rings and 227 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: or making several hundred thousand dollars work in the league, 228 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: major positions. Awesome for them. They're good. They're great at 229 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: their job. Like to me, it wasn't my end all 230 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: be all. There's nothing wrong with that. The difference is 231 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: I made no money. This guy is gonna make the 232 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: moment he gets drafted, he's gonna make thirty seven million 233 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed, and then I'm sure he's gonna be pretty good. 234 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: Let's say assume he gets his fifth year option gets extended. 235 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: That's a long way to go. But it's like you 236 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: go all in once Andrew Luck. They went all in 237 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden things don't go right? 238 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: Does he go away? So it's just it's not to me, 239 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: I don't red flag it as like you know, he's 240 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: not gonna he's not gonna live up to his potential 241 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: because he doesn't eat, breathe, and sleep. It to me, 242 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: it's more like when you go through a little adversity 243 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: doesn't make you think. Like when I went through adversity, 244 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I can do something else. I want 245 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: to do something else. I aspire to do other things, 246 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: and I did it. Andrew Luck, who's way smarter than 247 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: I am, the same thought. He's like, you know, I'm 248 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna walk away. I'm sure. Once he walked away, 249 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: he's like, you know, I've always aspire to do other things. 250 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: And then he did him and he liked him. The 251 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: crazy part about Andrew is Andrew was, you know, a 252 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: top five six quarterback in the NFL. And I was like, yeah, 253 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm just over it. Whatever he's doing now, I promise 254 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: he was not paying thirty million dollars like he was 255 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: making the league. He did not care. Because when you 256 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: truly aren't obsessed with something and you are really smart, 257 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: I don't know, I would assume Trevor Lawrence probably not 258 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: as smart as Andrew Luck. Money doesn't mean that much 259 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: to you, because if you're Andrew, like, I can make 260 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: money doing other things and I've already made a lot. 261 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: So I like my people to you know, the guys 262 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: I draft, the guys that I root for to be obsessed. 263 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: Like my favorite athletes are Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan's. 264 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: Like I liked watching Clay Thompson Steph Curry because I 265 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: know they're all in, you know. I like Madison Bumgarner 266 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: route when when the Giants were winning big, Like, I 267 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: like my guys to be all in. If I was 268 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: a coach, if I were a GM I mean, I 269 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: would still have to pick this guy, but I'd be 270 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: a little nervous. I think there this is not ideal. 271 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: I think they would love to be. Like you know, 272 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: if if football was a drug, I'd be an addict. 273 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: I need to go to rehab because that's that's Tom Brady, 274 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: that's Peyton Manning, that's Patrick Mahomes, it's Russell Wilson, even 275 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Like I think he gets this knocker. Yeah, 276 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: he just kind of a free spirit. Like I watched 277 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: him with with Pat McAfee this year. He knows his ship. 278 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Rogers pretty locked in and you 279 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: don't play at that level for that long without being 280 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: a football junkie. I think he plays kind of this 281 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: like kind of hippie, you know, hipster vibe while being 282 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: just a football junkie because I just you can't convince 283 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: me otherwise. Now he's doing the Jeopardy thing right now, 284 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: messing with some people. But his resume says obsessed with football, 285 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: elite at football football means a lot. He's all in. 286 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 287 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports 288 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app 289 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: search f s R to listen live. I want to 290 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: talk about Julian Edelman and he's been a polar rising 291 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: discussion and in the quote unquote sports debate even I 292 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: mean sports debate. Honestly, sometimes they drive me nuts. Maybe 293 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: it's just the all the skip Bayliss stephen A shows 294 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: that I just I'd rather rip my ears off than watch. 295 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: And because I used to love against sports debate, right, 296 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's what we all grow up on. It's 297 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: what why we like it. We watched the sports that 298 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: we debated with our friends. It's become nauseating, I think 299 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: the way it's been, uh, just the way that the 300 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: industry is gone and we can I can only take 301 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: so much. I don't know about you, maybe some of 302 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: you can. But is Julie Edelman a Hall of Famer, 303 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: and I want to take a couple of steps back 304 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: before we even get there, because, let's face it, he's 305 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: probably he's not gonna go to the Hall of Fame. 306 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: Who cares. Here's a reality with juliettem And I've been 307 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: thinking a lot about him this week because he retired 308 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: incredible career, basically his body she shot. He left it 309 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: all on the field. And like in society, right, I'm 310 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: not a parent, but several of my friends now in 311 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: there you know my age or having babies. I'm a 312 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: little behind, but you listen, this can't society can't put 313 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, numbers and dates on me. I'll have kids 314 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: when I'm ready, and uh, I think the number one 315 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: thing any human being can be called, right, I know 316 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: the demo of people that listen to this podcast, like man, 317 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: so anyone listening that has children. I know a lot 318 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: of you do because I get d ms like middle cough. 319 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: I love you, Ron Real, I love you swearing, but 320 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard to listen to you in the car 321 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: with my children. It's like, well, you know, I'm a 322 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: rated our movie. You know, if if your kids are eight, 323 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: like you wouldn't take them to a Ratarar movie. If 324 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: they're fifteen, that's let them listen, like you would take 325 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: them to a Ratar movie. I'm a rady, I'm not 326 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: PG thirteen, I'm not PGM or This is a rated 327 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: our show, right, this this is for grown up. This 328 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: is a show for grown ups. And I think young 329 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: kids like I would have liked my show. I think 330 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: if I was fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, but I was swearing 331 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: at that age, not around my parents. But most of 332 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: your kids are swearing around you, I promise if they're yeah, 333 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: probably now, especially with social media. But if you're called 334 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: a good parent, if you are a good dad, is 335 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: there anything better than you could be called? You are 336 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: a good dad if that's what people consider you, your friends, 337 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: your family in in your town, Like you know, Bill, 338 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: he's a great dad, Like I don't know what else, 339 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: Like what else you want in life? That's that's as 340 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: good as a guess, right, And then you would say 341 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: outside of your home, the best thing you could be 342 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: called is a good businessman. This guy is this guy 343 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: is a pillar of the community. And I grew up 344 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: in a smaller town I grew up. I didn't grow 345 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: up in San Francisco. Or Los Angeles or Chicago, or 346 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: you know Dallas, Texas. Like I grew up in Davis, California. 347 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: It is a college town. You know. At the time 348 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: when I was growing up, sixty people most people even successful. 349 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: We're running small businesses at most, right, A lot of 350 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: people ran really kind of small businesses, medium sized businesses 351 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: at the biggest And those were the people, the pillars 352 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: of the community that funded our little league teams, that 353 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: paid for their daughter softball teams to go play travel 354 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: softball in different states, that funded and helped the community go. 355 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: They paid for everything. And the people that were viewed 356 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: in those communities in the business world as high character 357 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: doing the right things, like they were highly thought of 358 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: in the community as they should have been. It was 359 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: a issue I had with Corona in California. They got 360 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: shut down, especially all the restaurantiers over the winner during 361 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: the holiday seasons. You know, just they got treated like 362 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: yo yos. And as a businessman myself, I thought it 363 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: was disgusting. Uh and just the people didn't make the 364 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: communities go right. They had a rough winner, they really did, 365 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: and it was it was tough to watch. I know, 366 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: different states had different rules, but around here. They got 367 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: shut down. There were no options. It was tough to 368 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: watch the treatment of them, right, just like it was 369 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: hard for all these good parents that had to keep 370 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: going to work and trying to raise their children. I 371 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: can't even imagine how difficult the last year has been 372 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: for people with younger children. I have some family friends 373 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: with kids in their teams, like, well, it was much easier, right, 374 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: The kids could do they were much more self sufficient. 375 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: I know people I've six, seven, eight year olds, like 376 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: it was very, very stressful. I had a buddy tell 377 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: me a while back. He's a guy at one point 378 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: in time, and like he said, late in the year 379 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: October November, I was like, I think I'm gonna get 380 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: a divorce. You know, a lot of stress let's put 381 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: on a lot of people. They had no control over it. 382 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: It's been a long year, right, and I think I 383 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: know this. I take a lot of pride when people go, 384 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: you know what, John, You know what I like about 385 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: your show is you are relatable. That means that That 386 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: means a lot to me. Right, I'm not a parent. 387 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: No one called me a good dad. Uh. You guys 388 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 1: don't get to see you know, the financials here, so 389 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: you're not gonna call me like a great businessman or whatever. 390 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: But when people DM me and go, you know what, 391 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: it's middlecoff cat. He's a relatable dude. I take pride 392 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: in that. Why because I'm also like you, I'm a 393 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: consumer of sports media, and let's call a spade a spade. 394 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: Most of the media the last thing you would call 395 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: any of them would be relatable. They actually couldn't be 396 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: any less relatable. They found They're like, God, do you 397 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: not know us? Normal people? Do not speak for us 398 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: normal people? And the answer is they don't. They get 399 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: on this high horse. It's like, I don't feel like 400 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: you're one of us. And that's luckily like I'm just 401 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: being myself. But it's just like those people don't really exist. 402 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: It's what I always I've been around Colin a couple 403 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: of times in a business setting, around all the people 404 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: that work for him, and I've always been blown away 405 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: by just how well he treated everyone else. Let me 406 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: see some of these stories about like Ellen treating all 407 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: of our workers like ship, You're like, God, what a fraud? Right? 408 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: And to me, Colin is the and I'm always like God, 409 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: Collins the opposite. The way he treated all of his workers, 410 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: the Gulays. It was just like God is, if I 411 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: was doing their job, I'd want to work for Colin Coward. 412 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: You don't want to work for the Ellen's. And you 413 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: never know, right, You never know. And when you're an athlete, 414 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: like obviously, when you play professional sports, you make a 415 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: lot of money, you become famous like those if if 416 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: you just end up having a career this longer than 417 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: two or three years, right, You're gonna make some cash 418 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: and people are gonna know who you are. It's just 419 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: kind of the price of admission if you make it 420 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: the pros. But what do you really want to be 421 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: remembered as? Right? And I think the NBA culture has 422 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: really become you know they say it's a ring culture. No, 423 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: not really, it's really how about me culture? It's how 424 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: much money I'm making? Culture? It's what are my stats? Culture? 425 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: I think the one thing football still has is like 426 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: who are the winners and who are the losers? And 427 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: when I think Julian Edelman, the first thing I think about, like, 428 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: is it gonna be a Hall of Famer? No, who 429 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: gives a ship? I can name several Hall of famers, 430 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: Tim Brown, Andre Reid, that would give their left nut 431 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: to have the career. Julian Edelman did three Super Bowls 432 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: and a Super Bowl m v P. When I say 433 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: Julian Edelman, some words that come into my mind, winner, champion. 434 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: Do you know what the majority of players that are 435 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame did never want a Super 436 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: Bowl would give for people to call them a champion. 437 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: Julian Edelman is an absolute legend. He made one of 438 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: the ratest catches in the history of the sport. He 439 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl MVP and was a core member 440 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: of one of the greatest, greatest dynasties in the history 441 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: of the league. He's a winner. Isn't that the point 442 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: of sports? We when we get into it. Like when 443 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: Edelman got into playing football when he was ten twelve 444 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: years old, just on the schoolyard at recess. You're just 445 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: trying to win, trying to beat your buddies. Then you 446 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: start playing high school football, the goal is to win. 447 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: You know, when when you're at the lower levels, you're 448 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: not worried like how many catches I have, how many 449 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: touchdowns I have. It's like did we win the game 450 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: or do we lose the game? When I think sometimes 451 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: that gets lost as you get older, because like, oh, 452 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: this guy's all these touchdowns or Odell Beckham's got the 453 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: sweet one handed catch he's never won ship. Odell Beckham 454 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: is probably infinitely more famous than Julian Edelman had a 455 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: better career, But just look at rook around the NFL, Like, 456 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: there are way better players than Julian Edelman in the 457 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: NFL right now, right Davant Adams and Davante I. He 458 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: is a winning player. He does everything want to be 459 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: He wants to be great, He works his ass off. 460 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: He is just a great player. He's everything you wanted 461 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: to wide receiver. More likely, Davanta Adams might never win 462 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Hell, he might never get to a 463 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Keenan Allen, Julio Jones got to win and 464 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: he lost. It wasn't necessarily his fault, but it is 465 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: so hard to be a champion in sports and then 466 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: also to be like a key contributor on a championship team. 467 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: Those guys. The amount of money Edelman is going to 468 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: be able to make in the Boston area the rest 469 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: of his life is stupid. I saw it when I 470 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 1: grew up. Brent Jones Forever, Brent Jones you know, never 471 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: gonna make it the Hall of Fame. Now, he went 472 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: to some Pro Bowls, but every time he walks around 473 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: and the baby. He actually moved to Texas. He made 474 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: so much money in business it didn't make any sense 475 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: to stay, so he took off the Texas jealous, saved 476 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: a lot of money in taxas and but the the 477 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: reverence in which he was held around here right now 478 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: obviously like any lot Joe Montana, Steve Young, these guys 479 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: still live around here in their Hall of Famers. But 480 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: even if you're on the next here that level when 481 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: everyone sees you like that guy's a champion. When a 482 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: dad and is taking his son his sins, Tenny, he 483 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: doesn't know who Julian Edelman is. In fifteen twenty years, 484 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: he goes, that's Julian Edelman. He was one of the 485 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: main players on the Great Patriot Teams Champion Winner, Like, 486 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: what is there anything better than being called a winner? 487 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: Isn't that what we all aspire to do is to win? 488 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: Like that I got in the podcast, but is ultimately 489 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: I would like my podcast to be bigger than any 490 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: other podcast. If you're starting a company right now, whether 491 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: it's a Delhi or whether it's a software company, your 492 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: ultimate goal is to win. Now, the thing in business 493 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: it's harder to quantify, Right, you made a million dollars, 494 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: you make two million dollars. Like what There's not necessarily 495 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: a winner and a loser unless you go out of business. 496 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: In pro sports is black and white, like at the 497 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: end of the game, like either one of your lost 498 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: and Tom Brady and someone sent me this and Edelman 499 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: we're nine and two in the play offs in their 500 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: time together, Like, it doesn't get that much better than that, right, 501 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean when they played, they won three Super Bowls, 502 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: they went to another one and I mean almost one 503 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: against the Eagles. Incredible run. So whether it makes the 504 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, who gives a ship? I bet if 505 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: you started going through the hall, you know how many 506 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: people in the Hall of Fame who did not win 507 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: Super Bowls with trade careers with Julian Edelman. I know 508 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: Colin used Calvin Johnson as an example. I think he's 509 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: just the tip of the iceberg. There are there are 510 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: a ton of Calvin Johnson's in the in the Hall 511 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: of Fame, and maybe some of them are selfish guys. 512 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't about winning and losing. But June Edelman 513 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: wouldn't trade his career with any of those guys that 514 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: aren't champions. I'll promise you that. What is up? I'm 515 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: John Middlecoff. There is the Three and Out podcast a 516 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: segment from it. You can find it below in the description. 517 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: You can also subscribe to this page like the video. 518 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: Leave your comments below in the description. I appreciate it. Okay, 519 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: let's get to the Eagles. And Uh. I used to 520 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: do a little work for the athule etch on the side. 521 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: UH like their business model, even though I'm more of 522 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: an audio guy than a than a reader. But I 523 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: actually still, in all seriousness, I find myself reading three 524 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: or four articles from the Athletic every week. I still 525 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: like a good old school sports article from a legit journalist, 526 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: right and and that's what the Athletic has. And they 527 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: wrote a pretty salacious explosive you can use all the 528 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 1: crazy adjectives you want on the Eagles and their culture. 529 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: And something really stood out for me because a lot 530 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: of people were dming me, a lot of people tweeting 531 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: me like middle Coff, you were there? How is your guy? 532 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: You know these people? What's true? What's not? What the 533 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: fuss going on, And my response was, honestly, I haven't 534 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: worked there since two but I do know this that 535 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: when Andy got fired and Chip Kelly got hired, Chip 536 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: got everything he could have ever possibly wanted. Why, he 537 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: had a ton of leverage. The only get the only 538 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: way to get Chip Kelly to take the job was 539 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: to basically throw the kitchen syncatam and Jeffrey. I remember 540 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: there was this print out one time that a buddy 541 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: of mine on the staff, there was a scout saw 542 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: how much all the guys on Chip staff was making. 543 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: It's one thing of the assistant coaches, he had dudes 544 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: calling Twitter. He had like his own little scouting staff. 545 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: He had guys on his own little scouting staff making 546 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: over like a hundred thousand dollars us young guys on 547 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: the scouting staff. We're not stiffing that type money. We're like, 548 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: what the fuss going on here? Now? It's just the 549 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: reality of the way things work. Chip got whatever he wanted. 550 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: In the first couple of years he went ten and six. 551 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: They changed all this stuff in the building, all the smoothies, 552 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: I mean, just a lot of different stuff. He was 553 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: doing things that no one else in the league were doing. 554 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: When I mean that, I'm talking resources, the amount of 555 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: money it costs the owner. And Jeffrey was cool with 556 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: doing it. What do you need, Chip? What do you need? Chip? 557 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: What do you need? Chip? And then by his third 558 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: year what happened? Chip demanded full authority. They kicked Howarity 559 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: the other side of the building. Jeffrey doubled down on 560 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly let him hire his own guy. Turned out 561 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: to be ed Manowitz, who was in the building, who 562 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: I like it a lot. I've never asked that this. 563 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: I would imagine he regrets taking that job, because you 564 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: remember a lot of people were turning Chip Kelly down. 565 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: They wouldn't touch him. It was kind of toxic. And 566 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: then by the end of that season, Chip Kelly dom 567 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: the team security guy escorted Chip out of the building 568 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: by week seventeen because it was such a disaster. There 569 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: was like a player mutiny. They all hated him. It 570 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: was just he was a laughing stock in the league. 571 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: People had figured him out. And Jeffrey lariate, like all 572 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: of us human beings, when you do something and you 573 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: go all in, whether it's a relationship, whether it's a 574 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: business partnership, if you go all in in a relationship 575 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: and you trust the person unequivocally, you give them your 576 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: whole heart and soul, and then they break it, they 577 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 1: cheat on you, they leave you. It scars you if 578 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: you get into a business partnership. Ironically, Bernie Madoff died 579 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: this year. Imagine no one Bernie made off and being 580 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: a guy, even if you weren't that rich, it's like 581 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: having a company and giving them the access to your 582 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: pension fund or whatever. Just because you met Bernie, you 583 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: trusted him. You're like you spent a lot of time 584 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: with Bernie over the years. You're like Bernie, Assault of 585 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: the Earth, love doing business with Bernie. Then all of 586 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: a sudden everything happens. How could you ever ever trust 587 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: a financial advisor? Again? When I read some of these 588 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: articles about like Kevin Garnett, happens a lot in the 589 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: NBA because their money is just like monopoly money and 590 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: they get fucked by their financial advisor like it would, 591 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: it would be impossible for me to ever trust anyone 592 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: with money. I've never been cheated on by anyone that 593 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: I know. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, But if 594 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: I was not only been deeply probably quote unquote in 595 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: love a couple of times. If I wasn't love with someone. 596 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure people listening imagine if you're deeply in love 597 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: with your wife, your girlfriend right now, and you found 598 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: out she'd been sleeping with someone like it would if 599 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: you were all in and chatter you it would break you. 600 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 1: I and we've all seen it with friends or family 601 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: like it. It derails people's lives. I think that moment 602 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: with Chip Kelly, the way it all ended, really rattled 603 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: Lurry because he gave so many resources to Chip and 604 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: he trusted him, he believed in them, and and Chip 605 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: would have tanked the franchise. I mean it was headed 606 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: I saw at a front of see the next year 607 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: he came to the Niners. It was the biggest joke 608 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: yere the Niners that have have ever had, and they were 609 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: just getting off Jim tom Seula. So then Jeffrey goes, listen, 610 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: I had had Andy, I let him do everything, and 611 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: then I went to Chip and I gave him everything 612 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: and it didn't work. So now I'm gonna go with 613 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: the coach with Doug Peterson, who I'm gonna kind of 614 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: dictate everything. And if you read the article, Jeffrey and 615 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily know this when I was there, because 616 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: again my experience with the owner when I was there, 617 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: I've always told people this is like Jeffrey Learry was 618 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: really hands off. I didn't you saw Jeffrey Leary once 619 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: a week He'd walked by and said, how are you doing? 620 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: How you doing? Good to see Mr Larry, and he 621 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,959 Speaker 1: just it was no big deal. That's because he had 622 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: coach read clearly after Chip that changed and he has 623 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: much more hands on. I've said this on this podcast 624 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: for a while. I think Howie and I'm not trying 625 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: to be some Howie Roseman defender, but I've been around 626 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: a few people now in my time around professional football. 627 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: I think how he's really high level of a guy. 628 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: He once upon a time fired me. I like, I 629 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: consider him a friend, but I do think he takes 630 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: a lot of I'm not like I know this for 631 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: a fact, but I can It's pretty clear Jeffrey Lury 632 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: is like very very He's a hands on owner. I 633 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: think you could consider him a meddler, right, He's a 634 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: meddlesome owner. He has his hands in everything that's going 635 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: on now. And part of that article was him doing 636 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: all these every week, every Tuesday, he did a sit 637 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: down with Doug Peterson because why he had just experienced 638 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: Chif Kelly. His entire franchise that before Chip got there 639 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: was viewed as one of the model franchise in the league. 640 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: His players are about to have a mutiny, they were 641 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: all gonna quit, they hated the coach. He didn't want 642 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: to have that happen again, which I understand. And that 643 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: first year they go seven and how with Carson Wentz. 644 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: You know, there were some rumblings like was Doug doing 645 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: a good enough job whatever. The second year they win 646 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So if you do get your heart broken, well, eventually, 647 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: if you start dating someone else, you eventually got a 648 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: kind of give your heart to that person again. Right, 649 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: You eventually need to trust someone else in business. The 650 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: next deal you do, you gotta get over the hump 651 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: of not trusting, because if you never trust, it's hard 652 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: to function in a relationship, in a business partnership, Like 653 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: it's not really possible. So what's Doug Peterson wins the 654 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: Super Bowl? Kicks? Mike Zimmers asked in the NFC Championship game, 655 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: takes Belichick to the wood shed. To me, this is 656 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: where I'm putting it on Jeffrey Learry, like Doug deserved 657 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: a little bit more than benefit of doubt. He didn't 658 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: need a Tuesday sit down all the time, Like I'm sorry, 659 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: I don't. I'd never like to be micromanaged. And if 660 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: I ever get into a position, obviously I'll never own 661 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: an NFL team, But have people working under you, like 662 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: you gotta be cognizant of that once the person proves 663 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: their worth. I understand the first year sit down after 664 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: every game, even the Super Bowl year, but as they 665 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: wrote in the article, they won like ten of eleven games. 666 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: How the year after Super Bowl, Doug Peterson saw us 667 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: to sit down and justify why he passed or why 668 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: he ran, why he used the time out. Hey, I 669 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: just won a super Bowl for the first time time. 670 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: I don't know in the history of the franchise. That's 671 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: on the owner, Like that's his fault, Like he created 672 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: a I would say, an environment of distrust. If I'm Doug, 673 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: I'm going like, listen and Doug will tell you. Doug's 674 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: not like Belichick. You know, he's not some genius, but 675 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: he was a really good coach. He was a really 676 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: good play caller and then he goes won the Super 677 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: Bowl with their backup quarterback. To me, once you do that, 678 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: don't you deserve a little leeway. So the situation that 679 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: got out of control. And listen, it's always hard. One 680 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: person in there, Alc Callabi, who had just we got 681 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: hired at the same time. I mean, he might have 682 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: been there a little bit before me, but his first 683 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: year was my first year. And listen, I will say 684 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: this about Alec. I used to look back at his 685 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: computer and he's a Harvard guy. He had things on 686 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: that computer like different queries and running you know, uh, 687 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: different tests. It was like a mad scientist. He is 688 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: really really smart. But I do think, and you talk 689 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: to people in Major League Baseball. I've been lucky enough 690 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: to meet some people over my years doing this. Uh 691 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: it's it's difficult. The line of that guy speaking to 692 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: the coaches. I have buddy in the NBA. I said, 693 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, does your front office whenever they get mad 694 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: about certain analytical things ever forced you go to your player, 695 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: go to your starting small forward, go to your point guard, 696 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: and tell them we want you to do this. He laughed. 697 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: He said, of course not. They tell the coaches and 698 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: then the coaches tell the players, so there can be 699 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: some natural uh dysfunctions the wrong word, but people not 700 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: seeing eyed eye. And sometimes the super smart guy isn't 701 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: the most social guy, right, there's a reason I don't 702 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: If I had the Harvard brains, I wouldn't have to 703 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: be some big personality, right, But I have to have 704 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: a personality or else I fucking wouldn't bring much to 705 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: the table. And Alex is just really smart, like I 706 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: think a lot of just stat guys are. They're very 707 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: very Alex has really really do brilliant But I think 708 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: sometimes when you force that onto a coaching staff, which 709 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: is a natural, it's difficult. But to me, once you win, 710 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: I understand when you started ground zero, Doug didn't have 711 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: many options. Doug couldn't complain. It's like, bro, you wouldn't 712 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: have been a head coach anywhere. So if you gotta 713 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: deal with these meetings, you gotta deal with halliby. It 714 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 1: is what it is. But to me, once you get 715 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: over the hump and win the championship like that, that 716 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 1: deserves a little bit of runway. That deserves a little bit. Okay, 717 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: we don't need to meet with him all the time 718 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: and question everything he's doing, and to me, it starts 719 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: with the owner. And I've been someone historically that gave 720 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Learily a lot of credit because in my experience, 721 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: he was very hands off. He let Andy and how 722 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: he do everything, and the coaching staff and the scouting staff. 723 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I didn't realize he was a lot more 724 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: active back then too. It didn't from my vantage point 725 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: as someone that went to Novacare every day for two 726 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: straight years, and then even when I worked on the road, 727 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: I knew everyone that worked in the building, so I 728 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: was getting updates every day. That's not what it felt like. 729 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: Clearly things have changed. And I talked to someone in 730 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,720 Speaker 1: the end Fell They thought that Chip probably influenced Lurie's 731 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: just the way he looks at it. And I get that, 732 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: and like I'm saying, I understand being scarred by Chip 733 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: if you're Lurie. It was devastating. Like the Eagles have 734 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: always had a good culture with players under Andy Reid, 735 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: he had a great culture for fourteen years, then all 736 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden, by the third year, players like dude, 737 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm out. Mr Lurry like that, I can't stand this guy. 738 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: That would rattle you. But what's the next coach, regardless 739 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: of what his you know how big the hype was 740 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: coming in and if you remember, there was this famous 741 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: like ESPN dot com article the year Doug was hired 742 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: like Macadoo, I think Hugh Jackson. They're all these coaches 743 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: hired like I think Hugh Jackson wasn't a McAdoo was 744 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: like a B. Plus Doug was an F. Doug was 745 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: an All of them got fired within like two or 746 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: three years. Doug has a ring, the only one in 747 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: Eagles franchise history, so that that would be my pushback 748 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 1: is that, Listen, I don't know, I don't I don't 749 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: even beside Howie, I don't know that. I didn't know 750 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: that many coaches on the staff or whatever. It's just 751 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 1: anytime you lose, you know, I understand it. But I 752 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: do think Doug got a rod deal with the owner 753 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: by not being treated like a champion after you won 754 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. They have to maintain that and be 755 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: questioned to me as a little ludicrous. Okay, let's dive 756 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: into a growing story. And right now I don't even 757 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: know what the numbers up to, but a handful of teams, 758 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: I think five or six the Broncos, the Browns, Seattle, 759 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: maybe the Giants. They are they all are going to 760 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: boycott offseason activities O t A s Like last year. 761 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: They want to mandate it all be virtual. They want, 762 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: moving forward it all to be virtual. And let's face it, 763 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,720 Speaker 1: in life, one in big business is one big negotiation. 764 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: It's never about feelings. It's never even last year with Corona, 765 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: it wasn't truly about Corona. As you saw with baseball, 766 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,760 Speaker 1: it's always about the money, and it's always about doing 767 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 1: things to try to win, to try to gain more 768 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,919 Speaker 1: of the piece of the pie, whatever that may be, 769 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: whether it be working hours, whether it be money, whatever. 770 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: And the union has one goal and that's to protect 771 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: the players. The NFL has one goal to protect the 772 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 1: owners slash the business. And last year the Players Association 773 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 1: clearly realized, Yeah, we don't really have to do this anymore, 774 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: and the players don't want to do it anymore. And 775 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: it made sense when I saw this week, or maybe 776 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: it was last week, I think it was early this 777 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: week the NFL said it is making the top two 778 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: tiers meaning coaches, general managers, scouts, trainers, strength staff have 779 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: to be vaccinated if they want to come into work. 780 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: Because the players right now are claiming that they don't 781 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: feel safe coming into work, Well, I'm gonna call complete 782 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: bullshit on that. That is a raudulent argument because when 783 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: they were getting paid in the fall, the vaccine did 784 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: not exist. The NFL completely controlled the environment. They tested 785 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: every single person that went into the building, so there 786 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: was no corona individual in the building. In the moment 787 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: they found out someone test negative, they ran them out 788 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: of the building. They controlled the environment. Nothing would change 789 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: right now. You would have if you weren't vaccinated, you 790 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: would have to get tested every day. They would control 791 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: the environment. But the NFL p A saw an opening 792 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: because last year they did not have any offseason and 793 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: it was great. Guys like Aaron Rodgers applauded it. They 794 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: loved it. The owners, though, want them back in the building. 795 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: Why because their coaches and general managers want practices O 796 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: t a S. Mini camps to happen. Why. Well, for 797 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: several reasons. One, if you're a coach, I saw Bruce 798 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: arians goes listen, the veteran players don't need O t 799 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: a S. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Donald, Trent Williams, 800 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: Jamal Adams, Jalen Ramsey, let me go around the league, 801 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, Mike Evans, Fletcher Cox, we can we can 802 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: list a hand. O tas are irrelevant for them. They 803 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: are star players. They are ready to roll. Being fresh 804 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: actually is probably better than practicing. You know what, It's 805 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: not great for fifth, six, seventh round picks, undrafted free agents, 806 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: the older players on the roster who are fighting for 807 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: a position, those people that I just listed or veteran 808 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: players that are fighting for a position are the majority 809 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: of the NFL. Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Trent Williams are 810 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: not that they are the outliers. The other thing that 811 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 1: O t a s are good for are the business 812 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: of football, because right now, the NFL is exponentially bigger 813 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: than every other sport. If you combine baseball and basketball 814 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,439 Speaker 1: right now, they would not equal the NFL's power. Part 815 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: of having O t a s means there's practices, there's 816 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 1: media's there, there's videos that come out. Keeps the NFL 817 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: in this conversation. It keeps them dominating in you know, 818 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: being the lead doc, which they already are, but it 819 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: just maintains them in the forefront of everyone's mind. Fans 820 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: stay locked in. Well, as we all know, fans generate 821 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: every penny for the league. Now, does do the off 822 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: seasons truly matter for improvement? You could argue that's up 823 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: for question. I'm not sure it does. Like I said, 824 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,760 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers would say it doesn't. But it definitely helps 825 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: the younger guys. It definitely helps a six seventh round player, 826 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent make the team. Now, ultimately, is 827 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: it gonna if you're an un drafted free agent who 828 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: has the skills because there's no offseason? Is that going 829 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: to ruin your career? Of course not. You'll find a 830 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: way on a practice squad. You'll get cut a bunch now, 831 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: the guys that have the ability and the grit and 832 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 1: the wherewithal to stick it out, you know, some guys 833 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: will just get lost in the shuffles. There will be 834 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on general managers that are gonna 835 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: have to find these g MS dudes on other practice squads. 836 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: Scouting is already a little jacked up this year because 837 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,280 Speaker 1: there were no preseason games. Last year, the college season 838 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: was all jacked up. It's it's tough. There there is 839 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: no simple answer. Here's the problem. Though. I read an 840 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: article on the Athletic that said a source and I 841 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: forget who wrote it, but a source had said up 842 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: to twenty two players in Denver's another team that is 843 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: gonna boycott the union. And here's a problem with the 844 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,760 Speaker 1: union that And I've never been a part of a union, 845 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: but I can't imagine a union that represents the amount 846 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: of players that the NFL does. Not everyone's on the 847 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:08,280 Speaker 1: same page because twenty two players have been consistently working 848 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:13,439 Speaker 1: out at the Denver Broncos facility, yet a day like 849 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: this week, they came out with a you know, the 850 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: NFL p A released the entire Denver Broncos team is 851 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: gonna boycott the practice. So is that von Miller saying that? 852 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: Or is that the twenty two players that we're working 853 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: out all the time with the Denver Broncos saying that. 854 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 1: Is everyone on the same page here? Because I read 855 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: that Davante Adams has a five hundred thousand dollar workout 856 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: bonus if he attends the voluntary schedule in the off 857 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: season with the Green Bay Packers. Now, DeVante is a millionaire, 858 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 1: but I don't care how much you're worth unless you're 859 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: worth hundreds of millions of dollars, five thousand dollars a 860 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: lot of money if I was Davante Adams, because one 861 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: of the things I read is that the union is 862 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: recommending they can't force anyone not to show up, but 863 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: they are recommending that if your team boycott's that you 864 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 1: also boycott. So if I'm Davante, do I go to 865 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: d Smith or whoever my union rep is? Well, do 866 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: I get made hold for my five thousand dollars? Because 867 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm cool with being a company guy and doing what's 868 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: best for the players, But I have five hundred thousand 869 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,959 Speaker 1: dollars on the line here. Does the union pay me back? 870 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: Because if they do, then I'll work out on my own. 871 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: But they literally pay me to just go lift weights 872 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 1: and run a couple of outs, which I gladly do 873 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: every year. So it'd be one thing. If hey, man, 874 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: you're ten K bonus, you make fifteen million dollars a year, 875 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: no big deal. We're talking half a million dollars and 876 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: there are players littered all over the NFL with these 877 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: four or five, six, seven hundred thousand dollar bone workout bonuses. 878 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: That's a lot of money. And I'll tell you the 879 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: union is not going to make those guys, hold, that's 880 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: not the way this works. So like when they have 881 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: the CBA negotiations, who do you think is dictating the 882 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: terms the most famous and rich players. Aaron Rodgers wants 883 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: no part of ot as. Like Bruce Arian said, We're 884 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: we're cool. Not making the veterans show up, Aaron Rodgers, 885 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, even though Tom would they don't have to 886 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: show up to O T A S do whatever do 887 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,320 Speaker 1: you but to not allow the fifth, sixth, seventh, and 888 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: undrafted free agents and the second and third year guys 889 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: who haven't played in games to develop with the coaches 890 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 1: is doing them a disservice for their own money. But 891 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,240 Speaker 1: you know who doesn't give a shit about those guys 892 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: are the rich players. It's why the way society works, right, 893 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of messed up. The rich people get to 894 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: dictate everything. It's where the people on the bottom they 895 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: get no saying anything. It's no different in the NFL. 896 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: The dude making seven d thousand dollars, there's an undrafted 897 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,879 Speaker 1: free agent that was on a practice squad last year. 898 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 1: He probably would like ot S because he might be thinking, hell, man, 899 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: i'm a I'm a backup right tackle or I'm a 900 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,760 Speaker 1: practice squad right tackle. I think I'm better than our backup, 901 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 1: but I never get any live reps because we have 902 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,359 Speaker 1: any time. Let me get some live reps, you know, 903 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 1: in the off season. Let me kind of flash for 904 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 1: these guys. Then I'll be able to get in the 905 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 1: mix once training camp starts. So I get it, Like 906 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 1: I understand both sides. If I was the owner, if 907 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: I was the coach, I would want O T A s. 908 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,319 Speaker 1: If I was the employee, it depends who I was. 909 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,479 Speaker 1: If I was a guy trying to make the team, 910 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 1: if I was a guy trying to earn my stripes, 911 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,320 Speaker 1: if I was a guy trying to make some noise 912 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: and kind of like make a name for myself, I'd 913 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 1: be like, I don't know if I'm cool with this, 914 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 1: because again, I'm gonna be working out anyway. One thing, 915 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 1: when you see like people, you know, I hate going 916 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,880 Speaker 1: on Saturdays. Part of the reason they hate going on 917 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: Saturdays because like, do I really have to go in 918 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: on Saturdays? But like you don't say, like you know, 919 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: I hate going on Wednesday's, Like no, it's just a 920 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: work day, like during the during Monday through Friday, and 921 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: really O T S or like three days a week. 922 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: These players are working out independently in their own little areas, 923 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,920 Speaker 1: and the only way to practice football. It's not like 924 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,799 Speaker 1: basketball where you can just play pick up five on 925 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: five or do a simulated back batting practice. To practice 926 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 1: your scheme. You need the entire team there to run 927 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 1: it and to impress the coaches. Like once you're on 928 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 1: the team, you have to do it in practice. Well, 929 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 1: if practice don't exist and make it really difficult. I 930 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: get the high end players not wanting to do it. 931 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 1: If I was them, I would not want to do 932 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: it either. But these universal boycotts. One, I don't think 933 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: it's good for like half the league. Two, it's not 934 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,319 Speaker 1: great for the business of the league because like part 935 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 1: of keeping the buzz going in May and June is like, Damn, 936 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: do you see how good Justin Herbert looks. Damn you 937 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,399 Speaker 1: see twa he looks way better this year. Damn. Let's 938 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: see Joe Burrow how he's progressing in his injury. Oh man, 939 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 1: look at Justin fields with Kyle Shanahan. Damn. Let's go 940 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: into Jimmy Garoppolo who has been traded to the Patriots 941 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: and watch them practice. That helps all the money that 942 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 1: flows in the fall, that keeps the whole kind of 943 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, the treadmill of cash flowing and the buzz 944 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 1: and the conversation. So I don't know. I think the 945 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,360 Speaker 1: NFL and the owners are kind of screwed, and clearly 946 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 1: the p A has the upper hand. They're using they 947 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 1: don't feel safe, which is complete bullshit because they had 948 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 1: the season no issues and the vaccine did not exist. 949 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: Now the vaccine exists, and they're like, oh, we're not 950 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 1: cool with it. Well, it's like, well, they still control 951 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 1: the environment. Literally, nothing has changed. Let's just let's just 952 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: be honest, be candid. Not everything has to be theater 953 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 1: for social media. You guys don't want to do this, 954 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,359 Speaker 1: which as employees, the overwhelming majority in society don't want 955 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,280 Speaker 1: to do extra stuff. We get it. Just be truthful, 956 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 1: don't don't try to fake it that you're you're worried 957 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: about health and safety, because that's not true. We just 958 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 1: saw the season happened pretty seamlessly, given the vaccine now 959 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,719 Speaker 1: is in full distribution. So this is gonna be an 960 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:57,760 Speaker 1: interesting story to follow. Okay, let's dive into uh little 961 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: thing we call the middle cough mail bag at John 962 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,720 Speaker 1: Middlecoff is the Instagram handle, and let's get to Nate John. 963 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: I went back to a podcast of years from August 964 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, and you were high on Jimmy G. 965 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,719 Speaker 1: You had him being a top twelve quarterback at the time. 966 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 1: How times have changed. Well, I would say Jimmy G 967 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: was probably a top twelve. He was a top twelve 968 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 1: quarterback in two thousand nineteen. My issue with Jimmy G 969 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,719 Speaker 1: is like, when he's played, he's been fine, But in 970 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,400 Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen and two thousand of the games there 971 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,399 Speaker 1: there is not a good quarterback in the league who 972 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 1: is less reliable than Jimmy. If Jimmy had just played 973 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,359 Speaker 1: all of two thousand eighteen and all of two thousand twenty, 974 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,479 Speaker 1: the Niners would not be in this position. They would 975 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 1: have made the playoffs last year, even though they wouldn't 976 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,880 Speaker 1: have been as good. They went six and ten with 977 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: Jimmy missing ten games. If Jimmy just played those extra 978 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: ten games, what's their record seven? He's just not a 979 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 1: rely player now. When he did play this year, he 980 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 1: wasn't very good, but I guess he was banged up. 981 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 1: I love the pod was watching, UH was wanting to 982 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,239 Speaker 1: start my own sports podcast, but I don't know where 983 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,799 Speaker 1: to start. Any tips that you can give me your 984 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: things to avoid like when you first started. Also, I'm 985 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 1: a Bears fan and really want us to trade up 986 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,239 Speaker 1: for either Lance or Fields. Who do you like better 987 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 1: for Matt Naggie's offense. PS. My fantasy football team's name 988 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: is turn your Head and MIDDLECOF. I fucking love it. 989 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 1: That's that's a good one. I like that. I'm gonna 990 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,520 Speaker 1: send that to somebody right now. Uh. To me, the 991 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,719 Speaker 1: key with a podcast is your audio content. When I 992 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,480 Speaker 1: listened to a podcast, now, even if it's famous people 993 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,759 Speaker 1: and their audio is terrible, I turn it off. The 994 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 1: standard for good audio is set. Now. I have just 995 00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,319 Speaker 1: record this into an Apple Mac. Is that what they 996 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 1: called Apple Max? I mean it's a Mac, it's an 997 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,440 Speaker 1: Apple computer. I use a Zoom, which is like something 998 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,759 Speaker 1: a reporter would hold up to someone's mouth, and I 999 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,640 Speaker 1: plug in a mike that you would use in a studio. 1000 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: So I I just to me, the audio quality is huge, 1001 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,279 Speaker 1: and you also got to have a plan, Like I've 1002 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,480 Speaker 1: never done a podcast where I just I'll just see 1003 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,480 Speaker 1: where this goes. Let's just let's just see where my 1004 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,520 Speaker 1: head goes like I don't read the podcast, but I 1005 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 1: do right down what I'm gonna talk about, and then 1006 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,280 Speaker 1: I just go through different segments, so I I approach 1007 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 1: it kind of like a radio show basically, Bears fan, 1008 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna be able to get those guys. 1009 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Justin Fields is going number three, 1010 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: and I think Trey Lance is gonna probably end up 1011 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 1: going number four. When talking about Donald's time with the Jets, 1012 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,160 Speaker 1: why does anyone mention Why doesn't anyone mention the lack 1013 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,799 Speaker 1: of weapons? You've mentioned Frank Gore is a running back, 1014 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,319 Speaker 1: it's not worth work at worth to work with. But 1015 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,640 Speaker 1: what about the evers? Who did you have to throw 1016 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,279 Speaker 1: to Robbie Anderson two years ago? Not much else? I 1017 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,440 Speaker 1: agree the Jets were a complete disaster for like, I mean, 1018 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:14,359 Speaker 1: an absolute train wreck. How many how many quarterbacks would 1019 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,439 Speaker 1: have succeeded there? Adam Gaze was a disaster human being 1020 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 1: and a coach. Their roster was awful, Their offensive line 1021 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 1: most of the time was terrible. I don't know what 1022 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,600 Speaker 1: he could have done. Do you think the Raiders should 1023 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,879 Speaker 1: consider trading up for Draft night to take a top 1024 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: talent on defense like Parsons or Key Witty Pay. I 1025 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:35,960 Speaker 1: don't even know who that is, to be honest with you. 1026 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,520 Speaker 1: Their defensive needs a playmaker, and being in the division 1027 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert, it would help tremendously 1028 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,719 Speaker 1: on that side of the ball. I would think it 1029 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 1: would make take some draft capital get to seventeen to ten, 1030 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 1: then addressed the offensive line in the next couple of rounds. 1031 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,360 Speaker 1: They could really use a Micah Parsons. I don't know 1032 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,239 Speaker 1: who the best middle linebacker is in this draft. I 1033 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,680 Speaker 1: think there's a dude from Toledo. There's a guy from 1034 00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,600 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. But I had a buddy in the NFL 1035 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 1: that said the Notre Dame guys probably more of a 1036 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,280 Speaker 1: early second round pick than pick seventeen. They need speed. 1037 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: They need a guy in the middle of that defense 1038 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,839 Speaker 1: they can run around and tackle. You know, Kenneth Murray. 1039 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:16,120 Speaker 1: I think Patrick Queen Uh, the dude from Michigan that 1040 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 1: uh the Steelers took a couple of years ago. He 1041 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,319 Speaker 1: towards a c L last year. I can't I'm not 1042 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm not thinking straight right now, but you guys know 1043 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,960 Speaker 1: who I'm talking about. He's a really good player, Roquan Smith, 1044 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,399 Speaker 1: Fred Warner. They need to get a middle linebacker who 1045 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,640 Speaker 1: can run and who can tackle like that, to me 1046 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,520 Speaker 1: is their number one need. Obviously their pass rushing they 1047 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,919 Speaker 1: just got Yanaka Dockway. They need to get a middle 1048 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: linebacker they can tackle. And you can tell me all 1049 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,680 Speaker 1: middle linebackers aren't that important. Bullshit. Get a middle linebacker 1050 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,120 Speaker 1: that can tackle. That, to me is what I would 1051 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,560 Speaker 1: be doing everything humanly possible to do if I was 1052 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,800 Speaker 1: Mayok Gruden and Gus Bradley. Can we get a linebacker 1053 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,399 Speaker 1: who can tackle? Because if we if we don't, we're 1054 00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,560 Speaker 1: just our defense is gonna look slow. The Ray's defense 1055 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,400 Speaker 1: always looks so slow. Even when Khalil Mack one Defensive 1056 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,799 Speaker 1: Player of the Year, their linebackers were terrible. He had 1057 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,279 Speaker 1: to make every play. There can't be a team in 1058 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,399 Speaker 1: the league the last decade that has worst linebacker played 1059 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,799 Speaker 1: in the Raiders, and listen, I've I've watched a lot 1060 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 1: of Raider football over that time period. Their linebacker play sticks. 1061 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's terrible. The Niners just falling the linebackers 1062 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,840 Speaker 1: like they have Bowman. They get Willis, then all of 1063 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,640 Speaker 1: a sudden they get uh, the little dude from Wisconsin 1064 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,640 Speaker 1: who end up retiring earlier. And then they fall into 1065 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,319 Speaker 1: Fred Warner in the third round. The Raiders can't find 1066 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,200 Speaker 1: a linebacker to save their life. The one time they 1067 00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,160 Speaker 1: could have taken Devin White. I'm pounding the table and like, 1068 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,320 Speaker 1: just take Devon White. At four, they take Cleveland Farrell. 1069 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,880 Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? You'll never convince me. I 1070 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,719 Speaker 1: don't care what he says publicly that Mike Mayock had 1071 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,040 Speaker 1: Cleveland Farrell as the top five player. Because if Mike 1072 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,920 Speaker 1: Mayock was in the still working at NFL Network and 1073 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,680 Speaker 1: he had Cleveland Farrell as a top five player, that 1074 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,160 Speaker 1: would have been one of the biggest stories of the 1075 00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,000 Speaker 1: draft right that that month leading up to the draft. 1076 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: That would have been a really big deal because no 1077 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,719 Speaker 1: one else would have agreed. Passing on Devin White to 1078 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,000 Speaker 1: me is a and I hate playing that game because 1079 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,280 Speaker 1: you could play with any team, but that was no brainer. 1080 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,440 Speaker 1: It's like, you guys don't have linebackers. Devin White's a 1081 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,239 Speaker 1: star fucking guy. Can bear back a horse. You ever 1082 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,920 Speaker 1: seen Devin White ride a horse. He doesn't even need 1083 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,640 Speaker 1: a saddle. He just hops on that thing and goes 1084 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,800 Speaker 1: on top of him being a sweet player, you almost 1085 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: could have won the Super Bowl. MVP would have won 1086 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:29,080 Speaker 1: me like devastating move. Appreciate everyone listening. Tell your friends 1087 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:34,560 Speaker 1: have a great weekend. Stay up, stay happy, stay healthy. Godspeed,