WEBVTT - Yuck, Digital.  No Thanks! 

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<v Speaker 1>Yuck digital, No thanks, It's one more thing I'm strong.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, before we get to yuck digital no thanks. I

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<v Speaker 2>get way too many phishing texts. Drives me crazy. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why it makes me angry when I go to a

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant and how many two insider outside doesn't matter to me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>can I have your phone number?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Why do you need my phone number for.

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<v Speaker 2>Me to eat at this restaurant? Because if I give

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<v Speaker 2>it to you, I'm gonna get all these damn texts

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<v Speaker 2>because you're selling it to people I know you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Drives me nuts. Anyway, I got one of these texts

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<v Speaker 2>the other day.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing it's probably reached critical mass went now, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>so many freaking companies and Russian mobsters who have my

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<v Speaker 1>phone number, I might as well just give it out

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<v Speaker 1>to everybody. I to post it on my roof, so

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<v Speaker 1>so airplanes going over ahead and can see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I got this one yesterday. Though usually it's pretty obviously

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<v Speaker 2>a scam of some part, but this one was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>If I had to choose my friend all over again,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd still choose you every single time from a random

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<v Speaker 2>phone number, and they're just hoping that I'm a lonely

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<v Speaker 2>person that thinks, wow, is there any link attached one

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<v Speaker 2>of my very Well, it's a phone number. I could

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<v Speaker 2>text back, but I assume something do it. Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>assume that alerts them that this is a live number,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I just get endless.

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<v Speaker 1>Katie, Katie too soon. He's still bouncing back from the

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<v Speaker 1>affair with the Ukrainian. That's right, yeah, scammer that relationship ending.

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<v Speaker 2>You think I should have pursued this?

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<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah, every time I get one to sell all

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<v Speaker 3>the time, I'll get these texts that say, hey, Ashley,

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<v Speaker 3>are we still on for lunch later? And I always go,

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<v Speaker 3>you have the wrong number. Sorry, oh I do. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>so sorry to have bothered you. And then I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I know what this is. You didn't bother me. It's

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<v Speaker 3>all good. So now that we're talking, what do you

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<v Speaker 3>like to do for fun? And oh, I just I

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<v Speaker 3>broke these people in for if I have time, for

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<v Speaker 3>as long as I can, because that means they're not

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<v Speaker 3>doing it to somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, have you ever seen feel Von stuff on that

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<v Speaker 2>they podcast or comedian? He's got a whole website of it.

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<v Speaker 2>He is so good at it. It is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, help out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here at the hospital. Thanks for getting a hold

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<v Speaker 2>of me. I just had my legs removed and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really needing someone to talk to.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, And they'll keep going until you use the word.

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<v Speaker 2>Scammer and then they stop. Yeah. Oh it's so fun. Wow. Yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll text this person back and then tomorrow we'll check

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<v Speaker 2>in and see how this person who said if I

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<v Speaker 2>had to choose my friend all over again, I still

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<v Speaker 2>choose you every single time. How should I respond to

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<v Speaker 2>that person?

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<v Speaker 3>I feel the same way about you.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was going to go, if you betray those

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<v Speaker 2>of the words of a you betrayed me, and you

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<v Speaker 2>are now my mortal end to me? Where do you live?

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<v Speaker 1>I like you? Oh, I like that even better. See,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm probably technically digitally naive. I always I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to respond in any way, so they don't know it's

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<v Speaker 1>a live film number and it landed, but they can

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<v Speaker 1>tell that anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I send red receipts, so if I open it,

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<v Speaker 3>it shows both now Android and Apple that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I want to be I want plausible deniability

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<v Speaker 2>to say.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always ability and everything you do kids. Here's a

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<v Speaker 1>tip from your old uncle's Joe and Jack.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you don't send the red receipt what it.

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<v Speaker 1>Says delivered, so the scammers would know, Okay, that is

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<v Speaker 1>a phone you think. Okay, Joe, I might as well

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<v Speaker 1>engage them and mess with them because that would delight me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, as long as you don't click any links, you're fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I was made for that, tooted. So my my introduction

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<v Speaker 1>digital yuck. Essentially, it's about this piece we referenced very

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<v Speaker 1>briefly during the show the radio show Slash podcast earlier

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<v Speaker 1>by Ted Joya. Being human as cool as in is

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<v Speaker 1>Ai saturates everyday life. People are seeking refuge in flesh

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<v Speaker 1>and blood alternatives from bookstore signings to vinyl record sales.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are a bunch of different examples about this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't care examples of this. I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>if this has reached any sort of critical mass. I

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<v Speaker 1>have given up on quote unquote humanity. But if individuals

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<v Speaker 1>or small groups of people, or my friends or my

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<v Speaker 1>family can do the right, healthy thing, that's good enough

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<v Speaker 1>for me.

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<v Speaker 2>You've given up on humanity. That's an interesting ever has

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<v Speaker 2>to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I never had any particular hope from humanity

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<v Speaker 1>before humanity. That's one of the reasons I'm in conservative.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you have to have incentives and disincentives to

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<v Speaker 1>have in orderly society, because you're not going to reform

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<v Speaker 1>humanity and all of a sudden human nature is going

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<v Speaker 1>to change after a million years. It'll never ever happen anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's this bookstore in Alabama. It's gotten a fair

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<v Speaker 1>amount of coverage in the national news. It's a small,

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<v Speaker 1>almost windowless business on a day in Birmingham, Alabama, and

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't look like much either. But their thing is uh.

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<v Speaker 1>When many indie bookstores barely survive this book, the Alabama

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<v Speaker 1>booksmith is flourishing. But it has a crazy strategy that

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<v Speaker 1>draws customers who bypass stores in their own cities to

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<v Speaker 1>purchase from distant retailer. Here's the secret. Every book in

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<v Speaker 1>the store is signed by the author. This store owner

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<v Speaker 1>wants the author to travel to Alabama to sign copies

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<v Speaker 1>in the store. He likes to see the human author

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<v Speaker 1>in the flesh. In an age of ai slop and

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<v Speaker 1>books on Amazon, this is the ultimate verification of authorship.

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<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah. The Alabama bookstore can guarantee sales of

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<v Speaker 1>several hundred copies of a new book and maybe more.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's enough to convince authors to fit in Alabama

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<v Speaker 1>on their book tours. And here's something for you, the

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama booksmith. It rarely charges a premium for the signed copies.

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<v Speaker 1>Our books don't cost more, the owner told the New Yorker,

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<v Speaker 1>But they're worth more interesting customers repay them with their loyalties.

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<v Speaker 1>Store does not solicit business. It now has approximately five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand customers on its email list, and so many people

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<v Speaker 1>travel from out of town to visit the store that

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<v Speaker 1>it is negotiated at a discount and rate with a

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<v Speaker 1>local hotel. Isn't it crazy? Then Ted writes about the

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<v Speaker 1>same dynamics fueling the vinyl revival in music. Musicians sell

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<v Speaker 1>these gigs. Many do it themselves. They man the merch table.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually seen this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I bought some CDs, but I liked the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>vinyl even well. I had a lovely, lovely conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>a songwriter. I thought it was terrific. Anyway you transact

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<v Speaker 1>directly with fans here too, A real human does something

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<v Speaker 1>no AI bot can replace. Everybody enjoys it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Ted writes, I speak with authority as someone who's been

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<v Speaker 1>on both sides of the transaction. I bought directly for

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<v Speaker 1>musicians relishing the opportunity to chat for a few seconds

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<v Speaker 1>with a person behind the album. And I've peddled my

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<v Speaker 1>own works at public events. Welcoming my chance to do

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<v Speaker 1>the three s is sell, sign, and schmooze. Let's see

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<v Speaker 1>you see the same thing? Oh go ahead, yeah and

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<v Speaker 1>jump in anytime. I'm sorry, there's a lot here and

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<v Speaker 1>I tend to go kind of quickly. But there's a

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<v Speaker 1>new secret strategy in the arts, and it's built on

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<v Speaker 1>the simplest thing you can imagine, namely existing as a

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<v Speaker 1>human being. Here's ad Week, which I used to read

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. You see the same thing in media

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<v Speaker 1>right now where live streaming is taking off. For viewers,

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<v Speaker 1>live streaming offers a refuge from the glowing, growing glut

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<v Speaker 1>of AI generated content on their feeds, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>also suggest to suggest it's a contrast with like the

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<v Speaker 1>super edited, insanely high paced, fast paced stuff they write

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<v Speaker 1>in a social media landscape where the difference between real

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<v Speaker 1>and artificial has grown nearly imperceptible, the unmistakable humanity of

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<v Speaker 1>real life video, real time videos or refreshing draw And

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<v Speaker 1>then they get into the They think Amazon shut down,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fresh and goat, it's fresh stores, fresh and ghost

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<v Speaker 1>stores whatever it's called, that you could buy groceries without

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with any checkout clerks, and that people didn't want this.

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<v Speaker 1>I know there's a divide on the show over this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I fully think maybe I'm in a minority. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>rather do the self checkout, but I know you don't

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<v Speaker 1>like it.

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<v Speaker 2>No love self checkout. I just don't like hassling with

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<v Speaker 2>the computer thing because I don't know how to handle

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<v Speaker 2>three bananas.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, So your your inner misanthrope is in conflict

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<v Speaker 1>with your inner luttite.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, that must be terrible, and the and the

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<v Speaker 2>inner Why am I doing your job?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>But then you know grapes, I don't know. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a bar code on it. The frig see.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's fun to figure it out. That's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm weird. I know I'm weird. Uh as

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<v Speaker 1>Ai customer service becomes more pervasive. Oh my god, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god. Judy and I were trying to rebalance what

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<v Speaker 1>we have in our four oh one k. You got

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<v Speaker 1>a little of this fund, a little that fun, a

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<v Speaker 1>little less fun. And we talked to our angel Guru

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, yeah, you're super heavily weighted in this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd sell some of this Bubba And we thought, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>no problem, I think I'll do it on the website.

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<v Speaker 1>How hard can it be harder than getting a camel

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<v Speaker 1>through the eye of a needle to paraphrase the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>as it turns out? And then I tried the effing

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<v Speaker 1>chat bot that was going to help me. I might

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<v Speaker 1>as well have asked my dog, Hey, Baxter, Baxter, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you figure I sell some of this and buy

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<v Speaker 1>some of the other thing? Baxter, Listen to me. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a complete waste of time. So we get this, used

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<v Speaker 1>the phone to call a human being and he helped

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<v Speaker 1>us brilliantly in about five minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, congratulations on getting a hold of a human being.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I was trying to do a thing

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<v Speaker 2>with a bank yesterday and could not figure out how

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<v Speaker 2>to get to a human just couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Okay, so I interrupted myself, but I like this

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of sentences as AI customer service becomes more pervasive,

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<v Speaker 1>the luxury brands will survive by offering this human touch.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm now encountering this term. Concierge service is a marketing

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<v Speaker 1>angle in the digital age, and it's a fancy way

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<v Speaker 1>to say I can speak to a human.

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<v Speaker 2>If customer service makes a comeback, I'll be so happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, it might cost you. It's like, you know, I,

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<v Speaker 1>at this point in my career own a pretty nice car,

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<v Speaker 1>and where I go for service is different than if

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<v Speaker 1>you own a pretty cheap car. They take care of you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's humans at every step and they want you to

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<v Speaker 1>be happy. I'd love to see that penetrate, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>down in the market more like it always used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I get efficiencies, I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to see it go down to the peasants.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like that for you peasants.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how I heard it too. Hey, I bought some

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<v Speaker 2>jeens the other day, Brandon Jeans, and they sent me

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<v Speaker 2>an email saying, we want to make sure you get

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<v Speaker 2>the right size so you don't have to return them.

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<v Speaker 2>And so they measured them and they said, they explain

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<v Speaker 2>to me, take your favorite pair of genes and measure

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<v Speaker 2>them this way and see if they're the right size.

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<v Speaker 2>And I did, and so they sent them to me

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<v Speaker 2>and they fit perfectly, as opposed to like half the

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<v Speaker 2>time when I order stuff online it doesn't fit, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you're supposed to send it back, but I never

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<v Speaker 2>get around to it. So I have stacks and staxiclothes

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<v Speaker 2>that don't fit.

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<v Speaker 1>How your local thrift stores. Oh yeah, yeah, so this

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<v Speaker 1>is interesting. Even tech companies are figuring this out. Spotify

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<v Speaker 1>now boasts that it has human curators, not just cold algorithms.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Apple Music says human curation is more important than ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. I think in that world that maybe the AI

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<v Speaker 2>would be better than a human, but maybe not.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh. I know, I haven't paid attention lately. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>early on thinking they sucked. The algorithms. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to it off into musical explorations, but

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<v Speaker 1>just they're terrible. I'd like listen to something like really

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<v Speaker 1>quirky and esoteric from a certain era, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>give me the big smash hits from that era, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, I'm a hipster. How do you not

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<v Speaker 1>get that I'm a hipster.

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<v Speaker 3>Spotify has gotten really good with that. If you listen

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<v Speaker 3>to something, it's more exploring things that are kind of

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<v Speaker 3>in that realm rather than just throwing the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the hits at you.

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<v Speaker 1>What I want to.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I hate about Spotify is not having to

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<v Speaker 2>search for the hot hits. So if I type in

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<v Speaker 2>Fleetwood Mac and you have your albums listed, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have rumors. I've got to type that in by title

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<v Speaker 2>to get that. If I'm listening to Fleetwood Mac, you

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<v Speaker 2>got all these other live albums and recent albums nobody wants,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't give me the biggest hit they ever had,

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<v Speaker 2>And that happens over and over and over again. Drives

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<v Speaker 2>me nuts. I almost don't use Spotify because of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, Yeah, I'm not familiar with it. I mostly listen

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<v Speaker 1>to Apple Music. Interestingly, band camps. Band Camp is organizing

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<v Speaker 1>band camp clubs where members get special music selections, listening parties,

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<v Speaker 1>and other perks from human curators. Then they like talk

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<v Speaker 1>to each other about whether they liked the song and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine that. Let's see. Recently, streamer Quo Buzz Somebody Anybody,

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<v Speaker 1>qobu z Yeah launched a announced launcher of a proprietary

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<v Speaker 1>AI detection tool. The companies published a set of principles

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<v Speaker 1>that include this paragraph quote our conviction AI can be

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<v Speaker 1>a valuable amplifier and ever substitute for human judgments of

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<v Speaker 1>their human curation.

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<v Speaker 2>That sort of thing Quobaz or whatever you said that

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<v Speaker 2>could be nobody or could have eighty million followers on

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<v Speaker 2>some platform and I don't know them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a music streaming service that's considered better than Spotify

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<v Speaker 3>for sound quality.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I like that too, I like that got my attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I got to send this to my son, who,

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<v Speaker 1>as I've said several times, would be an editor Rolling

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<v Speaker 1>Stone if he had been born thirty years sooner. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much content everywhere you can't make any money

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<v Speaker 1>from it. So I thought this was interesting. Final note

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<v Speaker 1>from this bahbah the paradox of living in a digital age.

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<v Speaker 1>Human beings have more prestige than ever they just and

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<v Speaker 1>they get it just by showing up. Just being a

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<v Speaker 1>human is so attractive in the digital world. This won't change.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the Silicon Valley elites forcing tech down our

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<v Speaker 1>throats will only make us hate cold, sterile tech more

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<v Speaker 1>than ever they have me, and they won't fix that

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<v Speaker 1>problem by training AI to pretend to be human. That

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<v Speaker 1>just adds insult to injury. Oh so true. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>might even be the hot new career path, ready made

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<v Speaker 1>for curators, concierges, caregivers, conversationalists, and other people who loved

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<v Speaker 1>being around people. As the old pop song anticipated, they

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<v Speaker 1>might just end up being the happiest people of them all.

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<v Speaker 1>So welcome to the lovely new economy where humans actually matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, try it out, be cool, be a human.

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<v Speaker 1>All the bot and boctom will never be able to

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<v Speaker 1>take that away from you. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't particularly like humans, but uh, since the all

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<v Speaker 2>the AI customer service stuff sucks, I prefer a human

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<v Speaker 2>to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's just horrible. I like some humans. Just

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<v Speaker 1>a question of how many and how much.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like five unplanet Earth the rest of y'all can

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<v Speaker 2>Poundsand what if they're friendly?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they annoy you or.

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<v Speaker 2>Good looks?

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<v Speaker 1>Scerely friendly or like clearly friendly for a purpose?

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<v Speaker 2>I just again with we were talking about this earlier

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<v Speaker 2>in the show, the idea that AI is going to

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<v Speaker 2>take all our jobs. Okay, I'll believe it. You're a genius,

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<v Speaker 2>but sure ain't close yet. I mean, you'd think customer

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<v Speaker 2>service would be better than it is. You can call

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<v Speaker 2>a multi billion dollar bank and there and their AI

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<v Speaker 2>customer service thing is shit. I mean, it's just shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever question you have, I'm sorry. Did you say accounts? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't say accounts. It's just I can't believe it's

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<v Speaker 2>not better than it is. How how's it going to

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<v Speaker 2>replace every white color job in America if they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>gotten better than this so far?

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<v Speaker 1>And you speak more distinctly than the average human being, right,

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<v Speaker 1>what about your average marble.

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<v Speaker 2>Mouthed half with boom Hower calls in needs to do

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<v Speaker 2>something to checking.

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<v Speaker 1>Cat coucheck around a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little interest rates.

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<v Speaker 1>I like In and Out for their customer service. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually think they're customer service.

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<v Speaker 2>High school kids standing out in the parking lot in

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<v Speaker 2>the long line taking your order.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing I love better than the old in and Out

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<v Speaker 1>Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, Well, I guess that's it with pickles