Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, we're bad. We're black, We're black epision.
Speaker 2: Hey, mandra Hey we definitely didn't oversleep.
Speaker 1: Now, I know, I know what happened today. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie walke up this morning and I said, I
Speaker 1: don't want I don't those days right it was. I
Speaker 1: was honestly like, I I don't want to wake up
Speaker 1: right now. I would love to, like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe because it's draining. I definitely was feeling very like, well,
Speaker 1: it's me and I'm not gonna lie. Halfway through the day,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, really, Tiffany, what is you You
Speaker 1: get to work from him and sit your own schedule.
Speaker 1: Me me, me, you get to take a nap in
Speaker 1: the middle of the day while everybody else is at work.
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, you put it that way,
Speaker 2: it's not something that you want to brag about, you
Speaker 2: over I overslept from my little late, late morning nap.
Speaker 2: I try not to tell my husband that I now
Speaker 2: during the day because he's.
Speaker 1: Like, I call my nap second sleep. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's not a second sleep, but.
Speaker 2: It looks like I missed. Like the world is falling apart.
Speaker 1: It's falling apart. Let what's going on?
Speaker 2: Catch me up?
Speaker 1: So as far as I know, so no, honestly. So.
Speaker 1: Earlier today I was on Twitter, aka the place where
Speaker 1: we all get our news from, and the Twitters had
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckenberger as Little Boosie calls him, which, if I
Speaker 1: think it, is hilarious because apparently Little Boozy was a
Speaker 1: band from Instagram, and so he's been using all of
Speaker 1: his friend's accounts like Little of all all those places,
Speaker 1: and he's been bagging for his Instagram back. He can't
Speaker 1: even get Mark Zuckerberg's name right, He's like, mister Zuckerberger, please,
Speaker 1: so we I referred to him as so Mark Zuckenberger.
Speaker 1: Apparently there was this sixty minute expos on Facebook last night.
Speaker 1: I don't want sixty minutes, but I do read Twitter,
Speaker 1: and that's why they were like trending and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh wow. So she blew the whistle saying then basically
Speaker 1: that Facebook Mark all of them knew that Facebook is
Speaker 1: harmful and toxic to people in specific ways, and they
Speaker 1: knew that they could actually fix it, but they determined
Speaker 1: that in so fixing it, it would mean that people
Speaker 1: would spend spending less time on the site. And as
Speaker 1: a result, if when you spend less time on the site,
Speaker 1: you're less likely to see ads. If you're less likely
Speaker 1: to see ads, you're less likely to click. If you're
Speaker 1: less likely to click, you're less likely to buy less
Speaker 1: money for Facebook. So they decided that it was worth
Speaker 1: it to put you in emotional, mental, psychological distress so
Speaker 1: they can make more money, which quite honestly sounds like
Speaker 1: every big organization that we know. I mean, let's be real,
Speaker 1: that's not unique to the sucking bug. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: But so I saw that, and then literally earlier I
Speaker 1: was talking to you know, our production team shout out,
Speaker 1: said dad sah, and I was like, oh, I wonder
Speaker 1: if Mandy's okay. Let me check her instant because that's
Speaker 1: what we do now. Like I figured, oh, maybe she's
Speaker 1: I figured, like you might be riding your bike in
Speaker 1: the park and forgot. I was like, let me see no,
Speaker 1: because I was gonna look at me like mmm. And
Speaker 1: I looked and I was like, wait a minute, Instagram
Speaker 1: is down, and then we all checked it was down,
Speaker 1: and then we went to Facebook. I said, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: Facebook is down, And then I tried to WhatsApp you
Speaker 1: to say, hey man, drug because I had text you.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, what'sapp, you know, because maybe WhatsApp
Speaker 1: will ping. So I tried to to to text you
Speaker 1: and I was like via what'sapp and WhatsApp was down.
Speaker 1: Then I was like, wait, what how did these three
Speaker 1: How are these threings? The three things related? Facebook, Instagram,
Speaker 1: whatsappen all owned?
Speaker 2: Yes, sucker Puka.
Speaker 1: So here's here's my theory.
Speaker 2: You tell me, okay me the spy Malu, where's your monicle?
Speaker 1: My theory is the hardy boys, right, the hardy Blacks.
Speaker 1: So my theory is instead of Nancy Drew, we got it,
Speaker 1: Nakeisha Nakisha Drew right. So my theory is then because
Speaker 1: there was also a hashtag going that said the leade
Speaker 1: Facebook that somebody with some hacking skills said, crack my knuckles,
Speaker 1: say less and Facebook down. So yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: Oh how the Mighty have fallen?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I heard that on the radio this morning. I'm like
Speaker 2: a sixty five year old lady. I guess you get
Speaker 2: your news from Twitter. I get my news from the radio. Yes,
Speaker 2: I heard about the like the and I guess I
Speaker 2: had known, you know, just kind of in the background.
Speaker 2: Facebook's been going through it ever since the twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: election and all that. You know, I'm all for whistleblowers,
Speaker 2: but I it just reminds you how powerful they are,
Speaker 2: because as much as you kind of want to resist Facebook,
Speaker 2: they are everywhere, and even through their Instagram and through WhatsApp,
Speaker 2: they are just taking on every new app out there.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're trying to make every other social media
Speaker 2: platform obsolete. They've already yeah, So I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: like it's hard to just go cold turkey away from
Speaker 2: these tools and these systems that are just so much
Speaker 2: a part of our even more so than the phone,
Speaker 2: you know, Like they're just such a huge part of
Speaker 2: how we connect to one another and get in touch
Speaker 2: with each other. So it's it's like a toxic relationship
Speaker 2: I feel like we have in Facebook and their whole
Speaker 2: portfolio of companies.
Speaker 1: I mean, Twitter's like the last holdout you know that
Speaker 1: doesn't belong to Like, yeah, remember the Snapchat. They try
Speaker 1: to buy Snapchat. Snapchat said no, so they're like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll make our own Snapchat, and sure enough they I mean,
Speaker 1: although kids still use no Chat, not as I don't
Speaker 1: hear about it as much as I used.
Speaker 2: To yeah, and TikTok, like now they have the reels
Speaker 2: and all that they are. It's I don't even know
Speaker 2: what to say. I just hope it's like I don't care.
Speaker 2: But I'm also like, can I get my ig back though,
Speaker 2: because we had some content, like our social media manager
Speaker 2: Amber had some plans today. I'm earlier, you.
Speaker 1: Know, so funny. First of all, Twitter is undefeated. Let's
Speaker 1: be real. Twitter is the shadies of all the platforms,
Speaker 1: and I love it. People are going in they're like
Speaker 1: someone was like I was in the middle of an
Speaker 1: argument and now on Instagram and now it's down, so
Speaker 1: they don't think they won. Danks Like literally, they're using
Speaker 1: SpongeBob like crazy. This is one with SpongeBob, Like you
Speaker 1: could tell he like kicked the door open and he's
Speaker 1: leaning one hand against the door and he's breathing, saying
Speaker 1: me running over to Twitter. I have to noticing that
Speaker 1: Facebook and Instagram is down, y'all?
Speaker 2: All right, oh lord, you know what also is down?
Speaker 2: And this is a company that maybe you guys haven't
Speaker 2: heard of. But I was just kind of like eating
Speaker 2: my virtual popcorn and getting caught up on all this
Speaker 2: drama around Ozzy have you heard of Ozzy.
Speaker 1: Yes, they wanted me to be on that show.
Speaker 2: Carlos what's his face, Carlos Watson, Yes, yes, So you decline, okay,
Speaker 2: good because they were apparently a hot mess. And I
Speaker 2: bring that up because it's another big brand that's kind
Speaker 2: of having a hard time. Well they've they've shut down,
Speaker 2: But you had talked about Elizabeth Holmes and Therahose last
Speaker 2: week and how you wanted to like talk about this,
Speaker 2: you know what's happening with Thearrahos and her trial is
Speaker 2: going on, and people were so obsessed with her downfall,
Speaker 2: almost to the point where it just reminded me like
Speaker 2: when you're beautiful, blonde and you're in power in Silicon
Speaker 2: Valley or in any big company. I just feel like
Speaker 2: American media and Americans we just like have this fascination
Speaker 2: with watching women fail. But Carlos Watson being a black man,
Speaker 2: black man you know his mom or his dad. He's
Speaker 2: part Jamaican and part something else I forget now, but
Speaker 2: it's just is like, damn it, when there's so few
Speaker 2: of us out there, you hate to see a black
Speaker 2: owned business like not even just shut down, but like
Speaker 2: gets so embarrassingly called out like they were on a
Speaker 2: call with Golden Sacks and they used did you read
Speaker 2: this like in the New York Times, he apparently his partner,
Speaker 2: his his his co CEO or CEO or something. They
Speaker 2: caught him using a digital like voice altering system service
Speaker 2: to change his voice and impersonate someone at a higher
Speaker 2: up at YouTube to try on a call with Golden
Speaker 2: Sacks to get more investing dollars. Like the level of
Speaker 2: foolishness that was going on at this company, and like
Speaker 2: apparently they've never really been transparent about their audience and
Speaker 2: how big they are. And like he had a show
Speaker 2: that he apparently you can just upload anything to Amazon
Speaker 2: Video if you want to, kind of like YouTube, and
Speaker 2: he was and he posted a billboard saying it was
Speaker 2: Amazon's Amazon Primes first talk show, first news focused talk show.
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember that that was the show they invited
Speaker 1: me on. And when my publicist shout out to you,
Speaker 1: Tracy l j a p R. Farmer Londons, well instance
Speaker 1: now but no, honestly, because she she does all the bedding,
Speaker 1: and she was like, I'm confused, because he had he
Speaker 1: has like pictures and like clips with people like you know,
Speaker 1: President Barack Obama and all those other people, she said,
Speaker 1: but then looking at the site, she said, something feels
Speaker 1: a little and some of y'all, you know, you could
Speaker 1: tell if you're forty and above food gayzy you might
Speaker 1: not know that word, Mandy.
Speaker 2: I know for gazy?
Speaker 1: Okay? Is that in theties as well? Y fake?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yes? So she just was like, it just it didn't
Speaker 1: sit right, and she was like, hey, I don't want
Speaker 1: to think it's a fit tivity because although it does
Speaker 1: seem like he's had interviews reputable folks with these like
Speaker 1: little clips, it doesn't it's not jiving with what's happening
Speaker 1: on the site. And so we declined. But to your point,
Speaker 1: it is such a shame because it's not easy to
Speaker 1: get to a certain level of success and then for
Speaker 1: you to do so, and not to say you should
Speaker 1: carry the whole race or the whole gender on your back,
Speaker 1: because that's not fair.
Speaker 2: But and yet.
Speaker 1: And yet here we are, because let's be real, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be like, it's gonna be much harder for the
Speaker 1: next black man in media to be taken seriously because
Speaker 1: they're literally going to be like, you know, like they're
Speaker 1: already saying you trying to pull a their nose, you know, like,
Speaker 1: so what are they going to say another assie? You know,
Speaker 1: and everybody's delighting in it, but unfortunately, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's bigger than just you when you have.
Speaker 2: A spotlight on you, absolutely, I mean there's headlines about
Speaker 2: like there was another article. It was like an opinion column.
Speaker 2: But it's like what Elizabeth Holmes rise and fall means
Speaker 2: for ambitious women?
Speaker 1: So great?
Speaker 2: We had one high powered woman, you know, billionaire on
Speaker 2: the on the front page of all these business magazines,
Speaker 2: and she ended up to be a fraud. And now
Speaker 2: it's like, well, that's just you know, gonna make it
Speaker 2: harder for ambitious women as like a as a cohort
Speaker 2: to get taken seriously. And Carlos, yeah, I mean him
Speaker 2: being a black man, a media it just it. I know,
Speaker 2: it's not fair, and yet that is the way that
Speaker 2: it is. That is the way that it is, and
Speaker 2: I feel like it just sets us back so far.
Speaker 2: It sets us back so far. I mean, what is
Speaker 2: it about Elizabeth Holmes's case that you feel like has
Speaker 2: captured I don't know, I don't even want to say imagination.
Speaker 1: It's so ludicrous, Like how does someone like no one said,
Speaker 1: let me actually see if this thing works. Not let
Speaker 1: me just take her word for it, but let me
Speaker 1: actually see if this thing works, because I mean she
Speaker 1: had secretaries of states generals. I mean, one super super
Speaker 1: prestigious Stanford teacher that was beloved quit his job to
Speaker 1: join her. And I'm just like, what she that cute?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I'm not really to be a
Speaker 1: like a gauge of like, you know, what's super attractive,
Speaker 1: but she's not giving Pamela Anderson nineteen ninety nine, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm just trying to understand, like,
Speaker 1: what was so engaging about her. I'm just saying she's
Speaker 1: to me, she looked like a regular, regular like woman,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean. She was not unattractive,
Speaker 1: but she's not somebody who would be like, oh my god, stunning.
Speaker 2: H you know, I think she had just enough of
Speaker 2: the you know, when you're glancing over someone's LinkedIn page
Speaker 2: or their resume or something.
Speaker 1: There are certain.
Speaker 2: Ways that, especially in the media, we describe people that
Speaker 2: it's almost like a way of giving them credibility. So
Speaker 2: a Stanford dropout somehow that became really sexy, and it
Speaker 2: became something that was appealing. And yes, like you said,
Speaker 2: once you have I mean she had, you know, recognizable names.
Speaker 2: Kissinger James Maddis supporting Theraphnos and it's like every additional
Speaker 2: person who gave her credibility, it made it easier for
Speaker 2: other people to do less work, to actually look at
Speaker 2: what she was doing. And it's this crazy line. And
Speaker 2: same with Ozzy. It's a line between because they were
Speaker 2: sort of overinflating their audience size and you know they
Speaker 2: had a because of Carlos and his his connection. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was an anchor on MSNBC was it before, so
Speaker 2: he had he had this like celebrity kind of talk
Speaker 2: show host you know, aura about him, and he would
Speaker 2: get big names like the Clinton Clinton's I think, or
Speaker 2: at least Hillary Obama. He had interviewed these really big names.
Speaker 2: And I think it's like it just shows the importance
Speaker 2: and the what's scary about how brands can borrow credibility
Speaker 2: from influential people that they are aligned with and then
Speaker 2: use it to dupe dupe so many people, And in
Speaker 2: Theraposi's case, it was people's lives, you know, people's health.
Speaker 2: I mean, Ozzy, you could argue people weren't, you know,
Speaker 2: thinking that they were going to get life altering information
Speaker 2: with their service. Is the same way that Therahnos was,
Speaker 2: you know, going to tell you everything you need to
Speaker 2: know about with the with the tiny pin prick blood sample.
Speaker 2: But they both went way over the line when it
Speaker 2: comes to selling their vision and faking it till you
Speaker 2: make it. But then you have other companies in Silicon
Speaker 2: Valley startups who that's kind of how you get investor funding.
Speaker 2: You got to kind of like sell them on a
Speaker 2: vision that does not exist yet, So like where is
Speaker 2: that Where is that line? When does it become fraud
Speaker 2: versus Oh, we're just really ambitious.
Speaker 1: Honestly, you're right, because I'm sure there are Like I remember,
Speaker 1: was it? I think I was reading someplace where Steve
Speaker 1: Jobs like the first time he debuted the I. What's
Speaker 1: the big one with the big back, big back, the
Speaker 1: back I the computer that member had, like the big
Speaker 1: is the iMac. It was that something was supposed to
Speaker 1: say hello, you know or what ever, and it didn't
Speaker 1: it wasn't working, so they fake, did you know? And
Speaker 1: then of course they got it working later, So it's like,
Speaker 1: what's the difference between that and her. I think the
Speaker 1: difference is it seems that, I mean, there's delusion and
Speaker 1: there's delusions of grandeur because although maybe you know those Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't know, to be fair, I don't know, she
Speaker 1: might truly have believed that they were on the cusp
Speaker 1: of getting it to work. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: so maybe she wasn't you know, she was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: we and she just like kind of oversold herself. So
Speaker 1: to be fair, you know, what is really the difference
Speaker 1: between Steve Jobs pretending that his first major you know,
Speaker 1: thing that he that he shared is working, versus his
Speaker 1: you know, her lying and saying things are working when
Speaker 1: they did it. Yeah, but also too, I think that
Speaker 1: for her it wasn't just it's not just the technology.
Speaker 1: It was the fact that these are people's lives. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw. I watched Bad Blood, like
Speaker 1: they had a documentary and yes, there's so many, yes
Speaker 1: that woman is too many, right, But I watched honestly
Speaker 1: most of them because I was fascinated. So one of
Speaker 1: them was this woman who was in remission from cancer
Speaker 1: and took one of the tests that was supposed to
Speaker 1: be done by the fair noose machine and it looked
Speaker 1: like the cancer had come back. So of course she
Speaker 1: is terrified. Her doctor sends her to another lab and
Speaker 1: it's not true. I mean, that's that's that's really bad,
Speaker 1: that someone you know, giving something a false positive or
Speaker 1: false negative. And then you know, I was reading that
Speaker 1: how she's not even on trial for those things because
Speaker 1: that those records mysteriously disappeared. Can you imagine, so all
Speaker 1: of those people that you gave those falsified records to,
Speaker 1: you know, they disappeared. So I'll say this, She's not
Speaker 1: unique to the big business environment, but it's still wrong.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it is still wrong. I just I hope that
Speaker 2: we treat others. I hope that we treat other CEOs
Speaker 2: and company leaders and company boards with the same amount
Speaker 2: of fervor. And I don't know when everyone just sort
Speaker 2: of when everyone finally agreed that she was bad and
Speaker 2: that she was a liar. And the same thing with
Speaker 2: with Ozzy and his co founder. I mean, there's been
Speaker 2: I feel like half a dozen articles in the Times
Speaker 2: just overnight about the downfall of Ozzy, like it's they're
Speaker 2: a novelty, right, it's a black owned, it's a black
Speaker 2: man owning a brand and it's a white well, it's
Speaker 2: a woman in Silicon Valley owning this multi billion dollar company,
Speaker 2: and there is this I don't know, this sick, this
Speaker 2: kind of sick, twisted fascination with watching them fall. And
Speaker 2: I think with women owned brands in particular, you know,
Speaker 2: you look at there was this uh well, first there
Speaker 2: was this whole idea of the girl boss and the
Speaker 2: woman who created that whole and then she.
Speaker 1: Arms.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like every badass woman that is on
Speaker 2: the cover of a magazine one month, give it a year,
Speaker 2: give it a year, and there will be an article
Speaker 2: in the Cut or in the Times or wherever talking
Speaker 2: about how employees accused them of a toxic work culture.
Speaker 1: Ah, not here and not here. I was on the
Speaker 1: cover of Money magazine and Unicorn Squad, But I get
Speaker 1: those NDAs kidding, No, I honestly, those are the things
Speaker 1: I think about. I think about that all the time,
Speaker 1: like in my creating a welcoming work environment and my
Speaker 1: making sure that my employees. I was so proud of
Speaker 1: one of my employees yesterday she she she sent me,
Speaker 1: she said, Tiffany, you know I've taken on additional responsibilities
Speaker 1: and I want to send you my my what do
Speaker 1: you call it? Her not her employment proposal, her salary
Speaker 1: proposal of what she felt like she deserved. And she
Speaker 1: was just like, I was so nervous to send this
Speaker 1: to you, but I saw you in your live where
Speaker 1: you said that you know, people should assert themselves if
Speaker 1: you bring a lot to the table. I was like, honestly, girl,
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of you. Yeah, because I didn't because
Speaker 1: I'm not. I look at salaries typically the year before,
Speaker 1: we kind of like look to make sure we're inn alignment.
Speaker 1: But if you pick up new like projects and things
Speaker 1: during the year, I might not make that connection. Or
Speaker 1: maybe your lead did not make that connection, like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're asking her to do more. Have we adjusted her pay?
Speaker 1: And we had not. So she was absolutely right, looks ting.
Speaker 1: I didn't even tell her, a girl, you're getting it.
Speaker 1: Actually surprised. I was gonna say, like no, because she was.
Speaker 1: Because when I looked, I was like, wait, girl, I'm
Speaker 1: so it's important. Now someone else might listen. You know,
Speaker 1: you might be a Unicorn squad member. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: me too. Now here's the thing. Literally, what I told
Speaker 1: my I had a meeting with my CFO George today
Speaker 1: and I said, Georgia, can I get a list of
Speaker 1: like what everyone's making annually, you know, our full time
Speaker 1: and then like what part time is making and contractors,
Speaker 1: because I want to see is anybody out of alignment?
Speaker 1: So we used to do that every six months, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what fell through the cracks. Like myself
Speaker 1: and my CF, my COO, my CFO, we would literally
Speaker 1: look and say, is anyone el out of alignment? You know,
Speaker 1: has anyone picked up something new? And we forgot to
Speaker 1: adjust their pay because oftentimes people won't say they'll just
Speaker 1: do the work, and we don't want that. You know.
Speaker 1: I always used to tease them when we were before,
Speaker 1: when I didn't have money to pay annually and they
Speaker 1: would just be working hourly. So people would never punch
Speaker 1: in when we had our team meeting, and I would
Speaker 1: always see them and say, like, Harry Tubman did not
Speaker 1: she did not do what she did for y'all to
Speaker 1: be on this meeting and not have punched in. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: but I ran out of hours and like because we
Speaker 1: would have like a set number of this very early budgetesta.
Speaker 1: So but I just say all that to say that,
Speaker 1: like I mean, I don't know what it looks like
Speaker 1: to run some billion dollar business, so for sure, obviously
Speaker 1: it's easier to run a smaller business. But I just
Speaker 1: hope that I never forget to check in and make
Speaker 1: sure that people that work for me, you know, are
Speaker 1: are happy.
Speaker 2: But let's say you do, like I want to be
Speaker 2: sure that there is space for people like you, for
Speaker 2: people like me women in a place that's necessarily not
Speaker 2: as you know, it hasn't always been the place where
Speaker 2: we can thrive and run a successful business. I just
Speaker 2: wish that we had the space to fail, the space
Speaker 2: to mess up once in a while. So like, let's say,
Speaker 2: you know, you do have someone who's underpaid for a
Speaker 2: few months, And believe me, I've been in that position too,
Speaker 2: where people on my team have had big gaps and
Speaker 2: it just it. It's not like you do it maliciously,
Speaker 2: but sometimes those things can happen someone and it happens quickly,
Speaker 2: and things kind of move slowly. Sometimes. I have a
Speaker 2: lot of empathy for companies when it comes to well,
Speaker 2: to a certain extent, empathy about pay in equity and
Speaker 2: how complicated it can be to fixos. But anyway, I
Speaker 2: just want there to be room for us to mess
Speaker 2: up once in a while. And I feel like if somebody,
Speaker 2: I feel like, if someone went to you know, a
Speaker 2: major corporation, was like, you know, Tiffany wasn't paying me
Speaker 2: what she said she's the budget Hoiston. She wasn't paying
Speaker 2: me when I wanted to get paid, and they were
Speaker 2: like vindictive. I can see a reporter seeing you and
Speaker 2: being like, oh wow, you know, she's all about empowering
Speaker 2: women to get what they're earning, and then look at
Speaker 2: her and they I could just see that that obsession
Speaker 2: in the media with that to tear it down, to
Speaker 2: tear you down because you are a novelty, and that
Speaker 2: is what frustrates me so much.
Speaker 1: I say, it's a lot of spirit because that happened
Speaker 1: earlier this year. Like I'm trying to decide I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell the story I am. You know what. Bumpet,
Speaker 1: so one of my mentees had made a mistake. Remember
Speaker 1: we talked about her making this mistake online and I
Speaker 1: told her, girl, you have to take your lumps because
Speaker 1: it was a mistake and you were wrong, you know,
Speaker 1: but we live and we learned. Because it has not
Speaker 1: it won't be your last but you know you will
Speaker 1: live to see another day. You continue on, but you
Speaker 1: apologize for it, and you and you try your best
Speaker 1: to make amends for it, and some people will forgive you,
Speaker 1: and some people will won't, and it's their prerogative not to.
Speaker 1: So there were a couple of other young women who
Speaker 1: was in personal finance involved, and they reached out to
Speaker 1: me to say, hey, you know, she made this mistake
Speaker 1: and she's tagging you. And I was like, what I
Speaker 1: had not known because I wasn't on social as much.
Speaker 1: And so when I found out, so the other young women,
Speaker 1: you know, they they sent me articles about why what
Speaker 1: she posted was offensive. I read and we were having
Speaker 1: a dialogue and I thought, okay. And then one of them,
Speaker 1: I think she like wanted to like jump on a call,
Speaker 1: and I said sure. And then the other one I
Speaker 1: reached out, was like, you know, if you'd like to talk,
Speaker 1: I'm open to learn. I said, no, one is too
Speaker 1: big for correction, you know, and I'm open to learn.
Speaker 1: I'd love to jump on the call. She said sure.
Speaker 1: So then I I like, my my mentee had posted
Speaker 1: an apology and I had wroteen underneath it. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm proud of you for postings apology. So
Speaker 1: one of the girls was mad at me for telling
Speaker 1: my mentee I'm proud of you for posting an apology,
Speaker 1: and she wrote, this is why I'm so glad that
Speaker 1: we have new faces and personal finance, you know, basically
Speaker 1: like you know, like, oh, we're already in the guard Yeah,
Speaker 1: new people are here to push you out and not
Speaker 1: quite Honestly, I hope so sis I'm tired. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: was like, girl, I'll threatning with a good time. So
Speaker 1: when she said that, I was like, so that I
Speaker 1: reached by her and behind the scenes and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and then she posted a tweed
Speaker 1: and said people like the budgetnist to imagine it was
Speaker 1: so weird because she thought I was supporting my mentee
Speaker 1: because there was some sort of financial benefit, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what would that be. There's no there was no financial benefit,
Speaker 1: you know. It wasn't like there's no brand, there's no
Speaker 1: I just thought that was strange anyway, that was her
Speaker 1: interpretation anyway, So she posted she tweeted, I hope I
Speaker 1: never become like the budgetista that she added me where
Speaker 1: you know, I do things that are not right for
Speaker 1: the financial benefit or something to that. She was basically
Speaker 1: trying to get the cancel train going. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't even because I knew that I could amplify
Speaker 1: that voice and I wasn't gonna do that. I was like, sis,
Speaker 1: I see you added me. You think I'm gonna like
Speaker 1: say sentencing back.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I hit her behind the scenes and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: if you think that I've done something thing wrong, I'm
Speaker 1: open to hearing about it because maybe I have. This
Speaker 1: is what I wrote her. So this is how I
Speaker 1: knew that the desire to for change was not really genuine. Sorry, girl,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. Because later she was like, actually, for my
Speaker 1: own mental health, I prefer not to talk to you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, but you can. You could tweet poison gotcha,
Speaker 1: because oh, we're really here to make things different and change.
Speaker 1: But the moment that I'm like, girl, I am wide open,
Speaker 1: you know, like, let me know, because honestly, I really
Speaker 1: do want to do and be better. And I said that,
Speaker 1: but no, no, no, But you can tweet about and
Speaker 1: you can instagram and say all these things, you know,
Speaker 1: but when it comes time to actually have an adult
Speaker 1: conversation to say hey, Tiffany, this is where I think
Speaker 1: that you were wrong whatever, and not that it's her
Speaker 1: job to teach me anything, but that was offered. And
Speaker 1: then two, you know that if you're going to, you know,
Speaker 1: like I guess, try to publicly drag me for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I just thought that that was really unfortunate,
Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, well, what if that had work,
Speaker 1: you know, like what if she would have posted that?
Speaker 1: And then there was this tumbling effect of like, well,
Speaker 1: you hate budget Theese stuff, you hate Buese. I don't
Speaker 1: you know it's possible. You never know, you know, And
Speaker 1: I thought like that just would have been so unfortunate.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing though, with y'all, don't be knowing see
Speaker 1: some of y'all, all your money is made on the
Speaker 1: front end.
Speaker 2: It's foolish.
Speaker 1: I've been peep game. If you only knew like maybe
Speaker 1: ten percent of the money I make. If Budget Eesta
Speaker 1: were to disappear today, I would still be a very
Speaker 1: wealthy woman. It's too late. It's too light. Literally it's
Speaker 1: too late. So even if I were to disappear, I'll
Speaker 1: be still good, good, good good, and have so many
Speaker 1: services of product I've got equity in, I've got ownership in.
Speaker 1: I advise on all them stuff, sweetheart that you be
Speaker 1: on that's me too, like so, but I put those
Speaker 1: things in place on purpose to make sure that if ever,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be do budgetiesta anymore. But it
Speaker 1: was a really eye opening experience about what it's like
Speaker 1: when people really are not really looking out for whatever
Speaker 1: the greater good benefit is. They're just looking to express
Speaker 1: their frustration, which is their right. But you know what
Speaker 1: that could be like to like, you know, like be
Speaker 1: canceled or whatever one day, and so a hope before that,
Speaker 1: you know, I sent my own self down. I'm like,
Speaker 1: don't sit me down. I want to set my whole
Speaker 1: self down. But it was just honestly, I wasn't afraid
Speaker 1: during that time, you know, because I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, I just didn't really I didn't think much
Speaker 1: of it. But at the same time I was thinking
Speaker 1: I was disappointed. And because here's also the disappointment Mandy
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. I don't think people understand how much
Speaker 1: that the quote unquote old guard puts y'all on. Like
Speaker 1: I might not say, but I have a list of
Speaker 1: financial people of color and a day does not go
Speaker 1: by that. I'm a request is not made of me.
Speaker 1: Some and many of them are not within my price range.
Speaker 1: Ayd dollars twenty five hundred dollars five thousand, No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: But I never ever ever let something cross my path
Speaker 1: that I can't you that I do not share with
Speaker 1: another financial educator of color. Never, you know, Patrice put
Speaker 1: me onto that of You know, we all love Patrice
Speaker 1: of Patresa's.
Speaker 2: King Wisdom, Yes, seek wisdom, wealth sor ry yes watching
Speaker 2: him one of our first guests ever.
Speaker 1: Yes, she was one of our first guests. She's got
Speaker 1: her own podcasts too, which is awesome. So she reminds
Speaker 1: because I remember asking with Patrice, like, well, if you
Speaker 1: can't do something, what do you do? Patrecea is like, girl,
Speaker 1: I always try to pass it on. I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: that's good. So we're in this black money group called Elevate,
Speaker 1: and so almost every week someone sends me something I
Speaker 1: can't do it. I posted and Elevate and said, does
Speaker 1: anybody want to do it? It's twenty five hundred dollars. They
Speaker 1: told me that I could share. I always ask if
Speaker 1: I could share, but not only just that. Sometimes brands
Speaker 1: literally come to me. There's a huge brand, one of
Speaker 1: the biggest financial brands in the world that ask me
Speaker 1: for a list of young, up and coming black and
Speaker 1: brown financial educators that they can start to invest in.
Speaker 1: And so what I look for obviously that you know
Speaker 1: your stuff, but I also look for how do you
Speaker 1: navigate in this space? Are you a tear downer or
Speaker 1: you're a builder upper? You know what I mean? Like, literally,
Speaker 1: there was a I just was tired. There was a
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand dollars contract now that is within range,
Speaker 1: but I said no to it, but not before passing
Speaker 1: it on. Twenty five thousand dollars is transformative money for
Speaker 1: a brand new financial educator, or a.
Speaker 2: Few email just to see if I got anything.
Speaker 1: You know, they were looking for it. They were looking
Speaker 1: for a dude. Fine, It's just like wait, I could
Speaker 1: be But I just say all that to say, be
Speaker 1: careful that the person that you're trying to tear down
Speaker 1: and attack it's not on the same team as you. Mama,
Speaker 1: like I put, I might not tell you, but like literally,
Speaker 1: I have my list and I'm always asking Sandy for
Speaker 1: people I'm oh. I like literally, I have like a
Speaker 1: running list of like dope educators that I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: let me put her on, and let me put him on,
Speaker 1: and let me get and let me make that phone
Speaker 1: call or you know what. I see they're doing this,
Speaker 1: and I'll slide into people's DMS. But oftentimes that I'm
Speaker 1: putting people on with because I don't want them to
Speaker 1: get excited that maybe it doesn't go through. But oftentimes,
Speaker 1: if I cannot do a thing, I'm passing it on
Speaker 1: and sometimes the company will connect with that person and
Speaker 1: they won't you know, that person will never know and
Speaker 1: I'll see that they got it. I'm like, yes, but
Speaker 1: I'm not like Hagar, I got it. Like I just
Speaker 1: helped my friend Sondra. This organization wanted me to build
Speaker 1: out this coaching program and they were like, we have
Speaker 1: a grant for fifty to one hundred thousand dollars. I
Speaker 1: did not have the capacity, but I knew Sondra and
Speaker 1: she's amazing. That's what she does. She's got a nonprofit
Speaker 1: and that's what she does. She builds out coaching programs
Speaker 1: for large financial organizations. She got one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: She said, Tiffany, you just got me a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: I was like, I did, I couldn't even remember. She
Speaker 1: was like, girl, remember, I'm like no. But then I
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, yeah, months ago one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars for her organization. So I just say all that
Speaker 1: to say like, it was just such a disappointment because
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, one day I will sit down.
Speaker 1: Not today, bobo, but one day, one day, I will
Speaker 1: sit down. And what I loved to do is I
Speaker 1: love mentoring and I want to be a con do
Speaker 1: it to make sure that you know that we continue
Speaker 1: to be seen, heard and paid in this space. And
Speaker 1: you want to be mindful of how you navigate. Not
Speaker 1: that you should kissing anybody's butt, you know, but you
Speaker 1: want to be mindful how you navigate because brands and
Speaker 1: people are watching. I had one brand said that they
Speaker 1: looked at all my social media back two years before
Speaker 1: hiring me two years because they wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: I wasn't with the shits. And so, like, people are
Speaker 1: watching and they're wanting to put you on give them,
Speaker 1: give them the space and the grace to do so.
Speaker 1: You know, it's okay to be angry and be mad
Speaker 1: and check someone, but make sure you're doing it for
Speaker 1: the greater good and not just on some pettiness.
Speaker 2: Amen. Absolutely, And I hope that we continue to support
Speaker 2: each other. I mean I'm not saying that just because
Speaker 2: you're a woman of color, Like we all have to
Speaker 2: support you. Think the work has to speak for itself.
Speaker 2: But let's not relish each other's downfalls and let's not
Speaker 2: contribute to Like there's already enough forces work against us, right,
Speaker 2: why add Why add to that and try to bring
Speaker 2: someone down just to give yourself some perceived edge, to
Speaker 2: give yourself some per like for a good tweet, you know,
Speaker 2: to get a couple of It's just not it's really
Speaker 2: not worth that. I mean, as we can see from
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Holmes and Carlos Watson, like the world will sit
Speaker 2: us on our asses if we deserve it eventually, and
Speaker 2: people will dance on those virtual graves. It looks like,
Speaker 2: especially if you're a woman or a person of color,
Speaker 2: because it's such a novelty, which is super depressing to me.
Speaker 2: But I think that that's why it's important Tiffany to to.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's almost like the extra burden of being
Speaker 2: black in business. It is watching every p and every
Speaker 2: queue you know, because it can be so easy to
Speaker 2: step out of to step a little bit outside the line,
Speaker 2: and to not be forgiven and not be let back
Speaker 2: into the you know, the club, the circle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to give especially, we want to give
Speaker 1: us a little extra grace space. I mean, it just
Speaker 1: even had me thinking about like, remember you know, the
Speaker 1: confience that he who shall not be named, you know, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wish you well from Afar, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's you know, ultimately, I don't want anybody, you know,
Speaker 1: like like livelihood to be taken from them. That's not
Speaker 1: the intention. Jesus, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, this is kind of reminding me
Speaker 2: of Delianne Barros and what she just went through.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my.
Speaker 2: Delianne the money Coach. She was actually a guest on
Speaker 2: BA a couple of episodes. Agoes to go back and listen,
Speaker 2: and this was a very delicate situation and she I
Speaker 2: think handled it as well as she could have. But
Speaker 2: she I just saw an ig live one evening. She
Speaker 2: had gone live and it was like, you know, this
Speaker 2: person is stealing my work and they are passing it
Speaker 2: off as their own, and I mean the evidence and
Speaker 2: first of all, Delianne is an entire attorney, Like she
Speaker 2: has a whole law degree. She only quit her job
Speaker 2: just a few months ago, y'all. Like she is still fresh.
Speaker 2: She's still fresh. I don't know why in particular, someone
Speaker 2: would want to steal her work, but she had for
Speaker 2: months been trying collecting evidence against this this other influencer,
Speaker 2: and she named them in her post. Yeah, she named
Speaker 2: them in her post. And I think my first inclination
Speaker 2: was like, whoa, let me really listen to this, because
Speaker 2: you know, you don't want it. And the other person
Speaker 2: is as a black woman, a woman of color, and
Speaker 2: it sucks to see someone that you know, when you're
Speaker 2: familiar with, get dragged in that way. But Delianne had
Speaker 2: all the receipts and I and she also had for
Speaker 2: months been trying to handle things outside of the public eye,
Speaker 2: you know, privately, to get this person to acknowledge and
Speaker 2: take down the work that they had, you know, passed
Speaker 2: off as their own that was actually Delianne's. And then
Speaker 2: it just was like way too far. It was like
Speaker 2: an entire course that had been ripped off. And I
Speaker 2: I don't either, and what I and you know, one
Speaker 2: of the many reasons I love Delianne Is. You could
Speaker 2: see how it pained her to talk about it because
Speaker 2: you know, she said it on her live and I
Speaker 2: couldn't agree more like, there is plenty of there is
Speaker 2: plenty of room for everybody. Yeah, like there's plenty of
Speaker 2: people to help. We all have our unique voices and
Speaker 2: there is room for everyone to succeed, I think. And
Speaker 2: and the fact that there's more women of color coming
Speaker 2: up in the personal finance. You know, the influencer space
Speaker 2: is not something to be threatened by, and it's not
Speaker 2: something to think that there's only so much work out there.
Speaker 2: And Delian's like, I I didn't want it to be
Speaker 2: this way, but there comes a certain point when you
Speaker 2: have to stand up for yourself and get those get
Speaker 2: those attorneys out there.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was, really, I was. That's what really paid
Speaker 1: me that it was like, oh, I was another woman
Speaker 1: of color you know, that did that to her and
Speaker 1: then blocked her and like, you know, and then I
Speaker 1: saw that because I'd gone to the woman's page and
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't say anything, but I just
Speaker 1: was looking in my mind. And then now she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, she's she became private, that this woman's page,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, since that's not you know, like
Speaker 1: that's not gonna say you like, yeah, like the receipts,
Speaker 1: Like for since she was on your web, there's no
Speaker 1: way that you can keep someone like an attorney. Kid,
Speaker 1: just watch the webinar and be like hmm, could take
Speaker 1: your course and be like, here it is. How are
Speaker 1: you going to know who's who? It could be anyone
Speaker 1: that they send in so if you continue to sell it.
Speaker 1: It just was because that's happened to me before. Literally
Speaker 1: word for word, someone copied me so bad. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're cool. Now someone copying me so bad they forgot
Speaker 1: to take my name out o girl. Literally, I remember
Speaker 1: when my sister told me this is one of my
Speaker 1: literature challenges. My sister said, I think this lady another
Speaker 1: sister and a sister who was my friend, like I
Speaker 1: had spoken at her conferences like we was cool, we
Speaker 1: was financial friends. And my sister was like, hey, Tiffany,
Speaker 1: I think this is your literature challenge. And I was like, girl,
Speaker 1: I did not invent financial challenges. She's like no, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure. I was like, how can you know for sure?
Speaker 1: She's like, your name is in it. I was like
Speaker 1: my name. So I went to take the challenge and
Speaker 1: it was like there was one line that said something something,
Speaker 1: and that's why they called me the budget nistas. They
Speaker 1: had forgotten. I was like, when I say copy paste,
Speaker 1: she wasn't the first part. She's the second woman that
Speaker 1: another black woman had stolen, like almost word for word,
Speaker 1: like she had done an investment version, but she had
Speaker 1: took my whole template. And I wrote her and I
Speaker 1: was like, and she basically was like, you didn't invent challenges.
Speaker 1: I said, I know, but I invented this one, and
Speaker 1: you have taken almost every word and just switched out
Speaker 1: investing investing. I'm like, that's cool. So she ended up
Speaker 1: taking it down. The other woman ended up taking it down,
Speaker 1: and then I saw her some years ago and she said,
Speaker 1: you know, she really apologized to me. Both of them did,
Speaker 1: and so she just was like, you know, Tiffany, I
Speaker 1: was in a really bad state at that point. I'd
Speaker 1: hired like a you know, a young intern. I told
Speaker 1: her to find some challenges online that we can use
Speaker 1: as a template, and I guess she copied and pasted
Speaker 1: and I was so embarrassed, which I can understand, and
Speaker 1: I know she said I was so embarrassed. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to, you know, I didn't want to face you.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, honestly, you know, I mean honestly,
Speaker 1: for here's this thing, I give extra space and grace assistance.
Speaker 1: So both of them, I said, that's fine, and when
Speaker 1: I see them, it's all good. You know, it's it
Speaker 1: was unfortunate, but it didn't, you know, it didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: didn't stop the train.
Speaker 2: There's at the top of your list. I imagine for
Speaker 2: people to refer business too, maybe they're towards the bot,
Speaker 2: but they're.
Speaker 1: Like because I use it. One of them in particular,
Speaker 1: we used to partner and I used it's had a
Speaker 1: lot of business her way. Then I was like, so
Speaker 1: about that. We won't be doing that anymore.
Speaker 2: It's not the pressure to get to you to where
Speaker 2: you are lying and passing off work as your own.
Speaker 2: I mean, that is a real like we just have
Speaker 2: to be real with ourselves. It can feel lonely out here,
Speaker 2: and it can feel like everyone's everyone has the best ideas,
Speaker 2: everything's already been done. How do I have something new
Speaker 2: and fresh? But sometimes it's okay to just sit down
Speaker 2: and take time to develop your own point of view
Speaker 2: and differentiate yourself like any other business out there.
Speaker 1: I hate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really painful to watch Delianne be in
Speaker 2: pain talking about a woman of color. But she didn't
Speaker 2: do any more than she needed to to. Yeah, she
Speaker 2: didn't do anything else that she needed to do. I
Speaker 2: thought she handled it really gracefully. And I my heart
Speaker 2: goes out to even the other woman because you know,
Speaker 2: I imagine it can't feel good to be a fraud.
Speaker 2: It cannot feel good like it's hard to sleep, I imagine,
Speaker 2: and that there is no future in front.
Speaker 1: No, well that's the that's the name of the episode.
Speaker 1: There's your future in front. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well it's a very short one. We all know where
Speaker 2: it in.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, now it's time to switch on over, I
Speaker 1: think right, Yeah, maybe a word more sponsors. We have work,
Speaker 1: more sponsors.
Speaker 2: Let's hear from our sponsors. Tipping Yes today, Brand Ambition
Speaker 2: is sponsored by all Right, should we do a boost
Speaker 2: and break?
Speaker 1: Yes? We should. So I just got two little like boosts.
Speaker 1: One my husband went food chopping yesterday and he randomly
Speaker 1: bought a bag of pistachios. And we're not kidding.
Speaker 2: You've never had pistachios. No, here this is delicious.
Speaker 1: They're so good.
Speaker 2: Wait did you get the pre shelled ones or.
Speaker 1: I did not for it? No, no, I'm working for
Speaker 1: It's better when you work for it. They sure do.
Speaker 1: When I tell you, first of all, look I've got
Speaker 1: this is my full cup, and this is my I mean,
Speaker 1: I am living my best life. I said, who knew?
Speaker 1: I mean I always seen the pistatio commercials, you know,
Speaker 1: and I thought that were hil harrious. But yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm into pistatios now whatever. You know.
Speaker 2: Ice cream so good.
Speaker 1: I loved chocolate chip, but I've never had pistasio ice cream.
Speaker 1: I have to try that.
Speaker 2: I cannot. I mint chocolate chip. I just have a
Speaker 2: physical version, Like I don't really have toothpaste flavored chocolate.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I love the chocolate chip. And my
Speaker 1: second boost is Oh. I was like, okay, Tiffany, I
Speaker 1: want to get serious about taking care of myself. So
Speaker 1: I went on ahead and hired a personal trainer. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that comes to the house. I feel really fancy. And
Speaker 1: you know what here So this is like a bigger,
Speaker 1: broader financial kind of like lesson or word if you will.
Speaker 1: My sister is over and Juliana, she is my housekeeper.
Speaker 1: I don't even know because I mean, she's not here
Speaker 1: all the time. Anyway, she comes every two weeks and
Speaker 1: she cleans and she's amazing. She's from Brazil and she's awesome.
Speaker 1: We always have a chit chat, but she's she's amazing.
Speaker 1: So Juliana came to clean that she comes every other Friday.
Speaker 1: Then Nisha. Nisha is the cook I told you guys
Speaker 1: about that cooks for me, like every every other day.
Speaker 1: She brings like two meals from my family. Nisha is
Speaker 1: West Indian. Her food is banging, okay, banging. She's making
Speaker 1: lasagna tonight. I'm like, so, but I won't be eating
Speaker 1: much of it because like I'm trying to do better.
Speaker 1: But either way, Nisha came over that day, and then
Speaker 1: my new personal trainer, Nissa, who's also a sister, young sister.
Speaker 1: So Nissa came over and my sister Tracey was like,
Speaker 1: now this is what I call black luxury. She was like, yeah, God,
Speaker 1: Juliana helped you clean the house. Nissa's dropping off food
Speaker 1: for the family and you're getting exercised by Nissa, And
Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, I'm proud of Tiffany of Today,
Speaker 1: because y'all know, if you just listen to some old episodes,
Speaker 1: you know I was still buying pack panties until Mandy
Speaker 1: was like, you know, you could just go to Marshall's.
Speaker 2: Oh lord no, but I instantly thought of that time
Speaker 2: when you were trying to find someone to help you
Speaker 2: do your laundry. Yeah, and he felt guilty about doing
Speaker 2: like a laundry service, and I was like, let's just
Speaker 2: take your damn laundry ild, just drop it off.
Speaker 1: Because I guess, well, well, because it wasn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: actually grow up with money hang ups because my parents
Speaker 1: were really good about that. It wasn't until the recession happened,
Speaker 1: and when I lost everything, it made me so afraid
Speaker 1: to spend because during the like four years when I
Speaker 1: was really struggling, I used to literally think to myself,
Speaker 1: I would add up how many times I had sushi
Speaker 1: prior to losing everything. I would add up how many
Speaker 1: times I spent money on something, thinking I could show
Speaker 1: you sad two hundred dollars. Now I could show you step,
Speaker 1: you know. So then moving forward, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: let me not spend because I never know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen, but it got really toxic and I was oversaving.
Speaker 1: I was too afraid, and it took a long time
Speaker 1: for me to be like Tiffany. It's gonna take a
Speaker 1: lot for you to be broke. You can do things
Speaker 1: to take care of yourself. So I always have this
Speaker 1: thing in my head, what is the money for? You've
Speaker 1: taken care of your parents, You've paid off their house.
Speaker 1: You've paid off all your debt. You've paid off your
Speaker 1: house so you don't have even a mortgage. You paid
Speaker 1: off your student loans, you paid off your car. Tiffy,
Speaker 1: you and your husband are debt free, like toddlers. You
Speaker 1: make sure you look. You have a college fund for Supergirl,
Speaker 1: my stepdaughter. You have a college fun for my nieces
Speaker 1: and my nephew. You're good. You donate back to charity.
Speaker 1: You're good, like, what is the money for? You know,
Speaker 1: you're set aside for retirement. You're good like, I think
Speaker 1: you can get your laundry done, you know, so to
Speaker 1: have niece to come. And what I thought is that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say price is because sometimes things are not
Speaker 1: as expensive as you think. My friend Cabro used to
Speaker 1: push me to say, have you even priced it because
Speaker 1: he's my fancy friend. He's like, let's go. As I
Speaker 1: told him, I was like, I want to range Rover
Speaker 1: one day. He's like, well, why don't we go test
Speaker 1: drive it today. I'm like, I don't have range over money.
Speaker 1: He's like, how would you know? Have you priced it?
Speaker 1: We went, we tested over a range Rover and I
Speaker 1: hated it. I didn't like the drive. He was like, see,
Speaker 1: you would have spent the next five years hoping, wishing,
Speaker 1: dreaming about a range Rover, not knowing that you didn't
Speaker 1: even like it, you know, and so so price is right.
Speaker 1: So Nisha is eighty dollars a meal, and a meal
Speaker 1: feeds about eight people, six to eight people, so it's
Speaker 1: like ten bucks of person. I'm like girl Juliana to
Speaker 1: clean the house, and she came every week. It'd be
Speaker 1: one thirty a week, but she comes every other week,
Speaker 1: so it's one fifty. You know, I always give everybody tips,
Speaker 1: but that's like the bear bones what they ask for.
Speaker 1: So one fifty to clean my house is three floors,
Speaker 1: I said, five bedrooms, three bathrooms. Yeah that's what she
Speaker 1: charged it. But I always give her, like a really
Speaker 1: good twenty five percent tip.
Speaker 2: I know, everybody's a little house, just the main floor.
Speaker 2: My good old neighbor Paulette comes over every other week.
Speaker 1: I love sick and then and then Nissa herself is
Speaker 1: for her to come every session is like if I
Speaker 1: were to come to her, I think the session would
Speaker 1: have been forty, but it's because she comes to me,
Speaker 1: the session is an extra ten bucks, so it's fifty.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, that's really fair, right, I was like these,
Speaker 1: I mean now, ten years ago, when I was broke,
Speaker 1: this would have been way too much money. But for
Speaker 1: me now, that's not an exorbitant amount of money. Fifty
Speaker 1: bucks for a training session, one fifty to get the
Speaker 1: house clean, you know, ten bucks a meal to have
Speaker 1: like a home cooked meal cooked for us at home,
Speaker 1: so much so that now I have her do my
Speaker 1: parents on the weekend. She cooks like two meals for
Speaker 1: them every Sunday, so they have like, you know, two
Speaker 1: meals for the week, so my mom doesn't have to
Speaker 1: cook as much. But I just say all that to
Speaker 1: say that, like my boost is you know, allowing myself
Speaker 1: and I'm giving you permission as well to spend the money.
Speaker 1: You know, like of course you want to be responsible,
Speaker 1: but you also want to live well now and I
Speaker 1: still struggle past that, but like, it feels good to
Speaker 1: know that I have put things in place to make
Speaker 1: my life more comfortable, that I've worked hard, and even
Speaker 1: if I had it didn't work hard. If I have
Speaker 1: the money to do so in a way that's responsible,
Speaker 1: why not? And so I'm just trying to learn that
Speaker 1: lesson for myself. So hopefully that'll be a little opener
Speaker 1: for someone who's listening, Like, Okay, I can do it.
Speaker 1: I can spend it ten to ten bucks.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like once you move on to
Speaker 2: fancy nuts like pistachios, you are well on your way
Speaker 2: because them nuts are not cheap.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know Superman bought those. He's fancy, well but lit, bougie.
Speaker 2: Well treat yourself. I think that's amazing. I'm glad that
Speaker 2: you've come a long way from pack panties.
Speaker 1: When you get your underwear.
Speaker 2: Now, Tiffany, what have we moved up to?
Speaker 1: What if we moved up to? I just left a hubband?
Speaker 2: Bye? Oh okay, I would never I want to be comfortable. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do a quick I have so many okay,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to do a quick one because I
Speaker 2: don't think I've shouted out this tool yet, but as
Speaker 2: a new solopreneur who's getting who has like seventeen different
Speaker 2: work personalities and income streams and stuff, I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm One of the first tools I invested in was
Speaker 2: a service called Calendly like calendar with the l Y
Speaker 2: at the end, and this has been the most I mean,
Speaker 2: I just can breathe a sigh of relief whenever I
Speaker 2: use calend Lee because they help you schedule appointments and
Speaker 2: you can literally send someone a link and they have
Speaker 2: access to your calendar. Now, my admin rocks. She knows
Speaker 2: that my calendar was a little jankie jink, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't it was my fault that I hadn't set it
Speaker 2: up right. But once we got that all squared away,
Speaker 2: Calendlee has been a dream and I'm able to schedule
Speaker 2: everything from like podcasts recordings or podcast meetings to you know,
Speaker 2: the free coaching sessions that I've been doing, and people
Speaker 2: can add to my calendar and I don't have to
Speaker 2: do the whole email back and forth with like here
Speaker 2: are the dates and times, and it's like nine twenty
Speaker 2: nine between one and two and two and three and
Speaker 2: three and you know all that is gone. So and
Speaker 2: I think calend Lee was a couple hundred bucks for
Speaker 2: the year, and I think that was a couple hundred
Speaker 2: bucks well spent. So if you are out there struggling
Speaker 2: and you aren't using a calendar system like Calendar, there's
Speaker 2: also schedule Once. I think that was also one that
Speaker 2: I looked at, but I highly highly recommend it. It
Speaker 2: really has taken a lot of stress off my shoulders
Speaker 2: in terms of like keeping my calendars. Great.
Speaker 1: Yes, honestly I love those tools by them yet, right,
Speaker 1: so what are the tools you use? I use? I
Speaker 1: use calendarly, we do sometimes, but we also use Slack,
Speaker 1: you know, for like interols. Right, so that's a tool.
Speaker 1: What's another tool that you're like, Oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: Canva Yeah, oh yes, Canvra and we are sponsored by Canva.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I love Camera Canva Pro. I mean, get it.
Speaker 2: It's worth every penny. It is worth every penny.
Speaker 1: You see camera. You got a freebee with us because
Speaker 1: we wasn't even and also too, I love you know,
Speaker 1: I love help Scout. I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 1: heard of it, but help Scout. So we started to
Speaker 1: use help scout to do customer support for the Literature Academy.
Speaker 1: So it's really a customer support tool, which is which
Speaker 1: is an amazing customer support tool because you can have
Speaker 1: like automatic responses. You can have like you know, people
Speaker 1: can write when they write certain emails like I'm locked out,
Speaker 1: you know, you can just click a button and it
Speaker 1: answers like you know, responses that you've already created. But
Speaker 1: I love the help scout so much. I actually use
Speaker 1: help scout for like my admin and I use help
Speaker 1: scout because it helps us to organize our emails in
Speaker 1: such a way. M h it so you can like,
Speaker 1: literally we have help Scout really helps is if you
Speaker 1: have like different teams. So we've got like our customer
Speaker 1: support team, We've got our finance team, our our organization team,
Speaker 1: and then me and so we're all so think about it,
Speaker 1: like we're all at the post office and there's this
Speaker 1: different mailboxes. So something can land in my mailbox and
Speaker 1: I could just click move and it'll move it to
Speaker 1: the mailbox's supposed to be. And just because sometimes people
Speaker 1: will say, Hey, Tiffany, I'm locked out of the Literature Academy,
Speaker 1: and before it I have to be like, oh, I
Speaker 1: have to ce see the customer support team. No no, no,
Speaker 1: Now I can literally just move you on over to
Speaker 1: the Yeah. So it's really great. And then let's just
Speaker 1: say someone like sometimes people will DM me on ig
Speaker 1: and say, hey, Tiffany up with the academy, but I
Speaker 1: forgot my password. So what I can do is if
Speaker 1: they give me their name and email. You know, sometimes
Speaker 1: I can just I can type into the search bar
Speaker 1: and it'll search all for email boxes and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh girl, it's right here, So help Scout to me.
Speaker 1: It might not make sense if you just have just
Speaker 1: you yourself, but if you've got multiple teams, honestly, especially
Speaker 1: if you like need customer support, oh my gosh. Help
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Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: I love it, and that reminds me. We are putting
Speaker 2: together like a little list of BA faves for the
Speaker 2: for our new when we get our brand new website.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have ba phaves because it's there's just so
Speaker 1: many things that we use that, you know, like just
Speaker 1: evening like Riverside. You know where we put our where
Speaker 1: we do our podcast.
Speaker 2: On Riversides in the penalty box as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2: But let's not go there.
Speaker 1: Okay, never mind.
Speaker 2: I wanted to do that big live event and they
Speaker 2: were just so it was just a little complex, Okay,
Speaker 2: a little complex.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I like, honestly, I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 1: like stream Yard. If we're trying to do stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Streamyard is the jam because Streamyard, you can if I
Speaker 1: go live on stream Yard, I can go live on Twitter,
Speaker 1: I can go live on Facebook, I can go live
Speaker 1: on YouTube and then also Streamyard the stream Yard platform
Speaker 1: all at the same time simultaneously. And it looks really clean.
Speaker 1: And I can literally have like things pop up, like
Speaker 1: and the link, the link can pop up. You could
Speaker 1: do like a scrolling link. You could put people in
Speaker 1: the green room and have them come up. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: stream Yard is pretty amazing.
Speaker 2: I feel like you need to do like an annual
Speaker 2: as a business owner, an annual tools check or be
Speaker 2: using the latest and the greatest what if you're struggling. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 2: I love what I hang around for our or wait out,
Speaker 2: wait wait a little bit for our ba fhaves list.
Speaker 2: But definitely I think that there are some amazing tools
Speaker 2: out there. And Calendly is bay. Yeah, I will just
Speaker 2: leave it there.
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Speaker 1: it together. Thanks for dragging me out of my cave,
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, nice checked that once in a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just checked. I was looking up something else.
Speaker 1: I was looking, you know, that if someone had posted
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Speaker 1: I know that hair. It's Mandy's so like you were
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, dope talk one hundred not shabby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're even, like, you know, close to
Speaker 1: like top fifty. So we're doing awesome, all right.
Speaker 2: Y'all gys on Friday for b a Q and a bye.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm