Speaker 1: Yeah, get get no boys, it's back and reloaded all
Speaker 1: in your mind. Yeah, not deep throating. This is for
Speaker 1: the streets, the reel, the railroaded, the distant franchise, the truth,
Speaker 1: the scapegoating, and they ain't knowing we speak the truth,
Speaker 1: so they ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North
Speaker 1: South East Coat g b my keeping your head bobbing,
Speaker 1: it ain't no stopping and wants to be trips head
Speaker 1: by then. The system is so corrupt they throw the
Speaker 1: rock out their heads and then blame it on us.
Speaker 1: Don't get it twisted on code and we danceing for
Speaker 1: no buttament biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scar faces in
Speaker 1: the building Collective Louis are the ghetto boys. Reloaded, reloaded
Speaker 1: with another episode of inflammation. That and instructions to help
Speaker 1: you navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world in the
Speaker 1: studio tow down and Mike frost Man, y'all been in
Speaker 1: the game like your frost y'all been in the game
Speaker 1: for a long time. In twenty years twenty no, no
Speaker 1: more than twenty years. How many years? Seven years total?
Speaker 1: Twenty seven years for you and the same. Yeah, I was,
Speaker 1: I was doing punk rock and like rave ship now
Speaker 1: we're doing rave parties back in and then I started yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, so so tow down when Ecstacy was begging
Speaker 1: back then, you know what I'm saying. You know, come on, man,
Speaker 1: you came in on the rest, Mrs lant I what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. You came in on the rep side
Speaker 1: in entertainment industry, and Mike, you came in on the
Speaker 1: photographer designer side. And wow, man, it's been a it's
Speaker 1: a lot has changed since you know, history. We've lost
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people since then. Good people, Yeah,
Speaker 1: good people. Right. You know, I think I met you
Speaker 1: through black Cat, right, met you through black Cats. Black
Speaker 1: Cat man, rest in peace, black Cat, you know, not
Speaker 1: the same thing. Um. For years, I can never use
Speaker 1: Mike because I was with black Cat, so I never
Speaker 1: got an opportunity to really um work on projects with Mike.
Speaker 1: Even though we work on the same projects, we never
Speaker 1: were in the same building. We're never communicating, right, And
Speaker 1: I recognized this talent. Even back then. You could put
Speaker 1: album covers up on a display rack and you knew
Speaker 1: which one was pinning pixel, You knew which one was
Speaker 1: Mike Frost you knew which one was Black Cat and Pixel.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that name in years. Bro. Whatever happened
Speaker 1: to Pixel, Well, you see the only person standing right,
Speaker 1: So I mean, but you know, rest in peace. Black
Speaker 1: Cat he had some throat stuff. But I mean, really,
Speaker 1: I've you know, there's times where I wanted to use
Speaker 1: Mike Frost front album cover and because we office with
Speaker 1: Black Cat and we did things with black Oh lord,
Speaker 1: she was with Black Cat. Mike Frost, you actually designed
Speaker 1: the first Ghetto Boys reloaded idea, right, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: who designed it. It was the pint that y'all couldn't
Speaker 1: use it because it has a gun on it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did that one. Just keeping a gangster. I went
Speaker 1: to Mikey Frost. I call him Mikey Frost man my
Speaker 1: dog a yeah, man, we are. The funny thing about
Speaker 1: that stories. I actually went to Pennepic soel we get
Speaker 1: a job and got turned down and then uh you
Speaker 1: started Bush years. I just wanted to be in the
Speaker 1: music business and I always drew pictures to like music,
Speaker 1: so I didn't care what type of music it was.
Speaker 1: The and uh, you know, they didn't get that job.
Speaker 1: I went out in the world, did a couple of
Speaker 1: album covers for like Orbit Um and the Kama Kazis,
Speaker 1: and you know, back then, I just you know, I
Speaker 1: was charged with fifty bucks Hunter bucks. I'd raised it
Speaker 1: every time, but I just paid attention to, like, who
Speaker 1: are the cats that were working hard? Do? Man? And
Speaker 1: that ship blew up? And you know it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: I like to call it the Frost effect. The Frost effect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've you've done work for legendary labels, Rap a lot,
Speaker 1: swish the house, dope House. Who else have you worked with? Man?
Speaker 1: I'm useding through and through so everybody in used to
Speaker 1: just about dope house, wish your house, trade zero, you know, chamillionaires, click,
Speaker 1: slim thugs clicks. I was like I did. I was
Speaker 1: doing everybody stuff at the same time. Now, when did
Speaker 1: you get your starts for us? Like that cover that
Speaker 1: you did, And everybody started saying, like, we need Mike Frost,
Speaker 1: I want some of that. Man. It really started from
Speaker 1: the first one because it was it was the Koma
Speaker 1: Kazis for Orbit on the North Side, they had a
Speaker 1: band called Kamakazis. Pooney wasn't that band Orbit? Did it?
Speaker 1: The video director like Homie that came up designing with
Speaker 1: they were all on this group. I did a cover
Speaker 1: for them, and then Russ at Big Time saw it
Speaker 1: and he had me do some stuff for his his label,
Speaker 1: and then some some kickdoor bandits It's from the North
Speaker 1: Side came to me, just some span bandits, and then
Speaker 1: Jesus I saw that poster and he was just looking
Speaker 1: for something different. But you know I just had I
Speaker 1: had the right price and the right look, I guess
Speaker 1: because I wasn't, you know, with you men didn't have
Speaker 1: like nine skulls on fire with big old chains of
Speaker 1: dogs coming out of and then actually got THEMN front.
Speaker 1: Do you know? My only option was to go just
Speaker 1: go with what I knew. I had to go raw
Speaker 1: as funk and I had to outwork everybody else, and
Speaker 1: that was the only thing on my mind. Like even now,
Speaker 1: like I'm finally back in that mental state that I
Speaker 1: was in back then, I always wanted to shoot my pictures.
Speaker 1: I always wanted to shoot my pictures to be realistic
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I wanted to bush it to be realistic.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to have a fucking house withood car
Speaker 1: sitting on top of it. You know how one amus
Speaker 1: it to look like it really looks in real life. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a question. I got good question for you.
Speaker 1: So what made you want to get off into the
Speaker 1: rap part of it? I know it was a stepping stone,
Speaker 1: but what made you want to get into wrapping it?
Speaker 1: And did you take the ship serious or was it
Speaker 1: a joke? Were you making you were you making fun
Speaker 1: of motherfucker's who thought they could flow? I'm serious about it.
Speaker 1: You know. It all came from I had a really
Speaker 1: good supplier of some hydro this and listen, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: speaking facts like I already fucking no, we ain't got
Speaker 1: to the good point. We're just talking right now, coming up.
Speaker 1: And so back then there wasn't a hydro around. Either
Speaker 1: you had Northern Lights number five or super Skunk. I'm
Speaker 1: bringing back names super Skunk, right, So when you have
Speaker 1: that as your business card, doors tend to open fairly quickly.
Speaker 1: And so at the time I had saw my friends
Speaker 1: get these record deals like pokey, gotta offer like wait
Speaker 1: a minute, gotta offer like screw, gotta offer like these
Speaker 1: my dudes, and hold on, what ship? Let me do
Speaker 1: something right? And so at first I knew I wasn't
Speaker 1: the best rapper. I knew my skills were ship, you know,
Speaker 1: but I was determined to figure it out, and so
Speaker 1: I got me a mentor. The first one was gris
Speaker 1: Um producer. The next mentor that The next mentor that
Speaker 1: really impacted my life and my production was Pimp C.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the you know, the country rap tune
Speaker 1: was originally supposed to have Pimp C and bun By,
Speaker 1: but they just came off big Pimp And then we're
Speaker 1: asking twenty five stacks apiece yea, And we just paid
Speaker 1: twenty grand for our entire studio, by the way, which
Speaker 1: we gotta sell to get the promotional budget to promote
Speaker 1: our album. So did you sell the studio? Fuck? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did. We did not that studio the one before that,
Speaker 1: to get the budget for the by Prescription only album,
Speaker 1: the very first, that's right. So by prescription only, we
Speaker 1: did the pill bottles. We stuck the one sheets inside
Speaker 1: the pill bottles, and then we did everything die cut
Speaker 1: pill bottles and h Bernard, my brother, and then Black Hat.
Speaker 1: You know, Black Hat and Bernard would get together and
Speaker 1: they have these sessions and their minds would go wild
Speaker 1: about marketing. Like my next record was chicken fried steak.
Speaker 1: So we did chicken fried steak boxes, stuck the TV
Speaker 1: you know, stuck the T shirt inside the TV dinner box,
Speaker 1: send it out. A and RS didn't enough. They needed
Speaker 1: to put it in the refrigerator. Program directors didn't know
Speaker 1: if they need to open it and cook it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just mass. It was just mass crazy pandom
Speaker 1: on him when we did a record because people wanted
Speaker 1: to see the marketing. They didn't give a about They
Speaker 1: didn't give a shit about the music. Oh the music
Speaker 1: has every Houston legend on it. We'll funk, I might
Speaker 1: as well pick it up too. Who's this white dude
Speaker 1: todown by the way, And that's kind of what it was.
Speaker 1: I was always that that guy in the background where
Speaker 1: you see on the video for two point five seconds
Speaker 1: where I'm draped up for like two point five seconds.
Speaker 1: Wait wait there you know there you go? Yeah, toe down? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. That's always how it kind of a fan base,
Speaker 1: don't I do? I do well? It comes from that
Speaker 1: grind Are you hid right now? Sucking a rud? I
Speaker 1: am with the name to doown. You're not gonna walk around,
Speaker 1: come on, like walking around? And I expecting you a
Speaker 1: gangster motherfucker. I'm not. I'm cool man. So so talk
Speaker 1: so talk to us about how uh you got the
Speaker 1: deal with Silvia wrong? And and then and and tell
Speaker 1: me how you get his homework. He does. So my
Speaker 1: brother at the time was not only my babysitter, but
Speaker 1: my manager. He was, you know, the the executive producer,
Speaker 1: you know, applying for all credit cards to get us
Speaker 1: a budget, you know type ship. So he would go
Speaker 1: to the bookstore back when the word bookstores, and he
Speaker 1: would read about the music business, and he saw contracts
Speaker 1: and what music contracts were. And then he talked to
Speaker 1: everybody who had a fucked up deal. He talked to
Speaker 1: d m D, not saying DMD had a fun up deal,
Speaker 1: but he talked to everybody who had a fund up deal.
Speaker 1: And he talked to people who had deals at that time.
Speaker 1: And he figured out that hey, listen, if I ride
Speaker 1: into the contract that every nine months you have to
Speaker 1: pay me in advance. Plus I won't be shelved. We
Speaker 1: have nine months to move on this record. Let's get
Speaker 1: it out as fast as possible. Drop two singles if
Speaker 1: you're not confident in us, and drop us from the label.
Speaker 1: And let us move on. So my brother had written
Speaker 1: that into the contract before we even signed with Sylvia Rown.
Speaker 1: But to back up to tell how we got to
Speaker 1: deal with Sylvia Rooms a whole another story. Back when
Speaker 1: we first started doing music, we didn't understand the whole
Speaker 1: thing with the program directors and the consultants. So when
Speaker 1: we finally understood what the deal was with the programmers
Speaker 1: and the consultants, we would make sure that everybody was consulted.
Speaker 1: And so if you were a DJ at the box
Speaker 1: and you needed a brand new pair of shoes, you
Speaker 1: got consulted. If you needed the new PlayStation, you got consulted.
Speaker 1: And so we were out there hustling taking that weed money.
Speaker 1: Hey hi over here constantly, right, So we were able
Speaker 1: to promote endlessly independent like that. And then what happened
Speaker 1: is somebody heard the country rap tune over at Digital
Speaker 1: Services and then from them here in the country rap
Speaker 1: Tune it immediately went to Walter D. Walter D got
Speaker 1: it on one of the rotations. The rotation starts, you know,
Speaker 1: the mix, uh, the DJ mixed meeting and ship like that.
Speaker 1: So we got picked up putting rotation. We got Houston
Speaker 1: on lock. Then we got Dallas Online to top ten
Speaker 1: markets equal a record deal. And that's how we got
Speaker 1: to do with Sylvia room ore In Lump who was
Speaker 1: a promoter at the time. He was the one that
Speaker 1: came in and said, Yo, toe down, I can take
Speaker 1: you here all the deals that you need to possibly
Speaker 1: be looking into. You make the decision where you want
Speaker 1: to go. And we talked to everybody. We would talk
Speaker 1: to Atlantic, we talked to UH Capital, we talked to everybody.
Speaker 1: It was like you were on the draft and you
Speaker 1: could pick the team. But they don't want brings. They
Speaker 1: want platinum plaques. And so you know, me knowing that,
Speaker 1: I took full advantage. You know you're gonna take me
Speaker 1: the strip club. You're gonna you're gonna, you know, bust
Speaker 1: me out of state. I need some scrimps, I need
Speaker 1: all that, right, So they would fly us in and
Speaker 1: out of New York and but are already knew who
Speaker 1: we were going with. He already picked the most amount
Speaker 1: of money. They give us five hundred thousand dollars as
Speaker 1: an advance and a five hundred thousand dollar video budget,
Speaker 1: and every nine months they had to give us our
Speaker 1: advance plus nine month comes. We finished shooting the Country
Speaker 1: Rap Tune video. Spent five hundred grand on the Country
Speaker 1: Rap Tune video, the most expensive video before Beyonce. They
Speaker 1: had h town look it up and it is what
Speaker 1: it is. So we had cars flipping on the original
Speaker 1: dukes of Hazard said, Poke out there chilling, he want
Speaker 1: to take all the girls home. Hawks out there in
Speaker 1: the barn rapping. We're doing car chase scenes. I come home,
Speaker 1: I have a tour bus in my driveway that's wrapped
Speaker 1: up to this towdown Country Rap Tune. Electra didn't press
Speaker 1: up one CD, then press up one poster, then press
Speaker 1: up anything. They said, your contract, it's an envoid. Now
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. We're good. They were dropping us.
Speaker 1: So y'all gave all the money, saying, I'm saying you
Speaker 1: gave it back in the sense of spending it on
Speaker 1: the video. Well, no, no, no no, the video of No,
Speaker 1: we got five thousand in our pocket. You know, we
Speaker 1: got five from them though they had to spend the
Speaker 1: money on the video. So Sylvia Rohm said, wait, we're
Speaker 1: in a month number nine. We owe this white boy
Speaker 1: another one point two million, and we gave him a million.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be two point two in the in the dirt.
Speaker 1: Let me just cut ties and get out of here quick.
Speaker 1: Bernard and her would have these conversations. We would be
Speaker 1: in Louisiana, Alexandra doing our own store displays. She's trying
Speaker 1: to get the record replayed at the same fucking stations
Speaker 1: that we've already had it playing for the last six months.
Speaker 1: She's trying to get an old record new life, like
Speaker 1: drop the next single with a little flip. Everybody wants
Speaker 1: to hear flip right now, drop the next single, a
Speaker 1: little flip. She didn't listen to Bernard, not one fucking time,
Speaker 1: and then she would call him back the next day
Speaker 1: and oh, baby, how you doing today? What can I
Speaker 1: get for you? Do you need something? So so you
Speaker 1: guys never made the cartonalmost mistake that many people make
Speaker 1: when they signed with majors. They think, once they signed
Speaker 1: with the major, they don't have to work anymore. They're
Speaker 1: gonna let the major do. The major's gonna do everything.
Speaker 1: We thought the first thing. We thought the exact same
Speaker 1: thing until we had our first meeting up there with them,
Speaker 1: and then they said, okay, what do you have for marketing?
Speaker 1: And we Bernart said, wait, wait, y'all are the machine.
Speaker 1: We're here because y'all are bigger than us, she said,
Speaker 1: But y'all got the records played in Houston and Dallas.
Speaker 1: Just go do that in the other cities. Now, I
Speaker 1: thought y'all were the machine. And then they'll do this.
Speaker 1: Let's take that offline. Well yeah, let's take that offline. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's take that offline. Well ship. Pretty soon everything gets
Speaker 1: taken offline. Who in the fund is communicating anymore? So
Speaker 1: what you advise new artists today? To be independent? Uh,
Speaker 1: Chris toward the major's you can do everything yourself easier, faster,
Speaker 1: better than we could back then. Being independent should be
Speaker 1: the only way you should think. You know, if you
Speaker 1: want to get with a major, think about what you're
Speaker 1: willing to give up for that major deal, right, because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's just a bad
Speaker 1: loan shark agreement. It's the worst loan shark agreement you getting.
Speaker 1: They're gonna get all their money back first, and and
Speaker 1: then some and then if you don't send somebody in
Speaker 1: there to audit, they're gonna get you right and left
Speaker 1: on bullshit. On packaging we sent out and we had
Speaker 1: to pay this graphic designer this and La Da da this.
Speaker 1: Before you know it, you're all your checks gone away
Speaker 1: on bullshit. I remember they would want us to print
Speaker 1: the shirts in Houston because we could get them cheaper.
Speaker 1: Then they'd want us to fed x him to New York.
Speaker 1: Then we would go to Miami to a conference. They
Speaker 1: had FedEx them to Miami. We would leave from Miami,
Speaker 1: go to l A. Then they had fed backs and
Speaker 1: FedEx them from Miami. By the time you got done
Speaker 1: these T shirts for you know, sixty seventy five dollars.
Speaker 1: Damn you can't. You can't win like that. So that
Speaker 1: was our first experience with a major. So we had
Speaker 1: all this money. I wanted the ball out, go get
Speaker 1: the car in the chain, but I was like, no, stupid,
Speaker 1: We're gonna buy a house in the studio. Black Hat
Speaker 1: comes into play. Don go buy a house in the studio.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have everything set up and you can just
Speaker 1: crank out records like and so we brought the house
Speaker 1: in this studio and then I started working on Country.
Speaker 1: I started working on Chicken Fried Steak, bringing in other people.
Speaker 1: Bud came in, he wanted to stay in record Flip
Speaker 1: came in, he wanted to stay in record. Everybody want
Speaker 1: to stay in record. And then I that good back
Speaker 1: there little little waynes in town that you have age,
Speaker 1: where's your recording? Hey, you come use our studio. How
Speaker 1: are we got some weed? If you want something killing, Mike,
Speaker 1: come into town. This is what it was. If you
Speaker 1: needed a spot to go get high and record, there's
Speaker 1: only one spot and that's where. That's where we're at
Speaker 1: for a long time. You like to avantage of digital
Speaker 1: equipment to its studio, right that. Yeah, so we're the
Speaker 1: We were the first all pro tools digital studio in Houston.
Speaker 1: I remember going to the Guitar Center dropping twenty five.
Speaker 1: You're trying to see that you had digital sound before
Speaker 1: digital sound, I had no, no, no, I had pro
Speaker 1: Tools first in the city. That's not true, correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. Mike Dean was the first of my
Speaker 1: oh much respect, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1: Without my humble's apologies to Mr Mike damn. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: know how to wait. Wait if you got it before
Speaker 1: ninety she was on pro Tools. I mean yeah, because
Speaker 1: every time something new came out, we had it like
Speaker 1: the next day. So so the same thing happened, right,
Speaker 1: But we're in with the with the pro tools and
Speaker 1: the sixteen IO two's so the first rack system where
Speaker 1: they expanded it to the Control twenty four. Y'all seen
Speaker 1: the Control twenty four right, it's to control right. So
Speaker 1: we're the first to have that. We're the first um
Speaker 1: in that sense, you know, no disrespect to any producer
Speaker 1: out there that was on a beta tester. They probably
Speaker 1: had Mike. I know, Mike had a way before I did.
Speaker 1: Mike always had fire stuff. So but in that sense
Speaker 1: of instead of using a full analog tape system, we're
Speaker 1: using a full digital system. And we basically had all
Speaker 1: this digital stuff. And a guy by the name of
Speaker 1: Skip Homing Skip Shout, Skip Home, Skip Home and said, well,
Speaker 1: Mr Todown, if you want to come over and learn,
Speaker 1: you're more than welcome to. And I said, all right,
Speaker 1: let's go, and I took my pining in my pad
Speaker 1: and we mixed chicken fried steak from beginning to end.
Speaker 1: You know, he came to my house and taught me
Speaker 1: how to work pro tools. Now I went, yeah, Skip
Speaker 1: Homing Pro Tools school is what it was called. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in in the middle of the Ghetto Boys session. But
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna get into there. I just beat
Speaker 1: it up. Well you forget man? Dog? How you why
Speaker 1: do you do that? Dog? Bring it out? I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about that ship man. I came in
Speaker 1: here to talk to toe down man every time? Bro?
Speaker 1: Whatever going out? Where? Well, I'm done? I love you, man,
Speaker 1: go ahead, will you? No? Man? You can treat me
Speaker 1: like a redhead step child? Bro, And that's cold black man.
Speaker 1: And I resent that because he don't have hair. I
Speaker 1: resent that. This that's code blat Little Boys remoted podcast
Speaker 1: will be break back after the poet so so to down.
Speaker 1: At some point the money had to get mess step
Speaker 1: in order for you to get caught up. Did the
Speaker 1: money getting mess step? Is that what made you switch
Speaker 1: it up? Or you just this opportunity? No, this is
Speaker 1: what happened. In two thousand and eight, Steve Jobs decided
Speaker 1: to start sucking the industry by selling songs for a dollar.
Speaker 1: I didn't even ask anybody this. I'm gonna go sell them,
Speaker 1: fuck y'all. So what happens? We make seven dollars a
Speaker 1: record whole selling them through Southwest Wholesale, getting it hundred
Speaker 1: thousand records at a time, getting it we're getting it right.
Speaker 1: Seven dollars of records seven hundred grand all day long.
Speaker 1: Money is good. Well, now that songs are nine nine
Speaker 1: cents to download, nobody buy and that ship no more.
Speaker 1: So we went from making seven dollars a record of
Speaker 1: seventy cents to download as a record label. As an artist,
Speaker 1: you're making a percentage of that. Said, but one might say, well,
Speaker 1: why didn't you take the money that you have, that
Speaker 1: good money and make some better choices. You have five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand, you go buy a three hundred thousand dollar house.
Speaker 1: You have a hundred thousand all You have a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand all worth of a hold on, hold on, wait wait,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna back up. Okay, hundred thousand alls worth of equipment,
Speaker 1: living expenses for a year, etcetera, etcetera. Okay, now that
Speaker 1: the cash, Now that the house is paid for, it's
Speaker 1: an acid you can pull money out of. Right. So
Speaker 1: now there's a mortgage on that house. So if the
Speaker 1: fetes come in and try to take it, they can't
Speaker 1: because there's a mortgage on the house. So you prepared.
Speaker 1: You knew these motherfucker was called all day I was
Speaker 1: going to prison from they called they actually gave you
Speaker 1: or your I don't want to see an organization, but
Speaker 1: drawing trafficking organization. Was the first time you heard that
Speaker 1: name to Terrio drug trafficking organization, first time I heard
Speaker 1: that ship. No, lie, I'm withdrawing from like a hundred
Speaker 1: hundred pills a day, like habit, Right, I'm withdrawing, sweat tangling, withdrawing. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm in handcuffs. And I hear them start talking, man,
Speaker 1: its to society, threat to the community, a danger to others.
Speaker 1: You're in court right, No, I'm not reading. I'm withdrawing.
Speaker 1: I'm listening. I'm barely there. I turned the banar and
Speaker 1: I said, man, that sounds like a gangstter motherfucker. He said,
Speaker 1: stupid ass. They're talking about you. And right there they
Speaker 1: said Terrio drug trafficking organization. I said, well, what the
Speaker 1: fund is that? And I was like, that's you. You're
Speaker 1: in the federal courtroom. I'm in the federal courtroom, just
Speaker 1: going through it, like, oh my god, I don't think
Speaker 1: I gonna be able to survive. So are you in
Speaker 1: You're in the federal courtroom right, this is this is
Speaker 1: my third arrest. So you know, I mean, I Ken
Speaker 1: Shaffer told me not to get arrested the second time.
Speaker 1: So this is what I'm trying to figure out. So
Speaker 1: when they arrested you, the fans came and got you.
Speaker 1: That was the third So how it all started. So
Speaker 1: we were coming off of CD sales being seven dollars.
Speaker 1: We had one last check coming from Electric for like
Speaker 1: fifty grand. The Escalade needs his car payment, all this ship, everything,
Speaker 1: all the bills are do. It's thirty grand a month
Speaker 1: basically to live on. Right now, right, you got a
Speaker 1: fifty grand nut left. What do you do? We go
Speaker 1: by are, we put a down payment on the house
Speaker 1: and we start our first girl operation. And I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get it. So you know, um my
Speaker 1: buddy from early on who brought me the stuff, he
Speaker 1: was doing it and he said, hey, listen, if you
Speaker 1: want to do it, I'll set you up. Got set
Speaker 1: up and my first harvest, I killed it. No, I
Speaker 1: literally killed the plants. I didn't actually killing the ship.
Speaker 1: Paul up like set us back exactly, set us back
Speaker 1: for six months. B that's some goodass timing right there.
Speaker 1: I prov I think thirstays I leave at you man,
Speaker 1: thank you sir. So after that but I was like, bro,
Speaker 1: what the funk are you doing? Because at the time
Speaker 1: I'm mixing records, I'm going hanging out partying all fucking night,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to grow weed. Well, I understand I
Speaker 1: can't party off night trying to go read. This is serious.
Speaker 1: This is a serious business. Now, all right, hats off,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go get to work. Six months later,
Speaker 1: I get the right recipe, I get the right ship,
Speaker 1: I get the right equipment. Every ninety nine days, we're
Speaker 1: killing twenty five pounds boom every ninety nine days. Problem is,
Speaker 1: you want to get twenty five pounds, what sh I
Speaker 1: can dump that off to one person. It's not including
Speaker 1: Bernard's people. So now I need um. I was telling
Speaker 1: them I was selling them for fifty six hundred, but
Speaker 1: OAR was hostelling them for four thousand. So I could
Speaker 1: get I could get six d qp four hundred from
Speaker 1: like my homeboys and ship, so I could get fifty
Speaker 1: six hundred all day long for a pound. I just
Speaker 1: had to break it up four times and I'd get there.
Speaker 1: But what the problem was is we would sell twenty
Speaker 1: five pounds and we don't have anything to replace it.
Speaker 1: So those people are going someplace else to get that weed. Now,
Speaker 1: so how do we get more weed? We we got
Speaker 1: to open up another grow house, so let's go open
Speaker 1: another one. So we figured out that with twelve. So
Speaker 1: we figured out with twelve grow houses, you could have
Speaker 1: one come down every week because you off set it right,
Speaker 1: So one week, plan house is growing, Next week you
Speaker 1: plan another one. Plan house is growing. Next week you
Speaker 1: plan another one. Plan house is growing. So twelve weeks later,
Speaker 1: every week you're popping off pounds. How many? How many
Speaker 1: of these? And how what was your goal? Did you
Speaker 1: have an in goal? A number of mindset? I want
Speaker 1: to let me tell you, well, it's the best time
Speaker 1: in my life. I do it again in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1: If my mom wasn't alive, I swear to God, will
Speaker 1: sign me up. I'm ready to go right now. It's
Speaker 1: legal now, right? And how do you feel about the
Speaker 1: fact that you did seven years for for something that
Speaker 1: they have legalized, people are making money or it's over
Speaker 1: a ten states has has legal marijuana now and they
Speaker 1: said it has medical locked you up for seven years
Speaker 1: for that, Well, let me tell you a funky story
Speaker 1: behind that in just a second. But at the time,
Speaker 1: we were doing stuff. There was no end game because
Speaker 1: we didn't see that far into the future. We could
Speaker 1: only see twelve weeks ahead where that harvest ended. Right,
Speaker 1: because at the time Pops was in a nursing home.
Speaker 1: He needed twenty five grand for his surgery. You gotta
Speaker 1: take care of all your family members who've been taking
Speaker 1: care of this whole time. Remember that thirty grand a
Speaker 1: month bill that's still been rolling, you know. So basically
Speaker 1: you're living harvest to harvest. You're not like bawling. Yeah
Speaker 1: I got Courtside Rocket tickets, but I just put it
Speaker 1: in the budget. Yeah I got a six cunder bins,
Speaker 1: but I just put it in the budget. Should I
Speaker 1: learned from electric put in the budget in the budget
Speaker 1: and figure out how to go make that money for
Speaker 1: that budget, it'll be all right. My brother always said
Speaker 1: that there was never a budget that I never ever
Speaker 1: got to exceed that I didn't want to do. So
Speaker 1: I could always spend the money very very very quickly.
Speaker 1: So three homes, three cars, Austin boat, uh parting every
Speaker 1: night five six thousand a night, like just dropping it
Speaker 1: this cash, I mean, I can't take it with me. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: my brother, he's a fucking nut, squirreling in a way,
Speaker 1: stacking it all, kind of sucking stashbots in the house.
Speaker 1: We get arrested, my second arrest, he says, go in
Speaker 1: the fireplace when you get out, and reach up under
Speaker 1: there and then look to your left and pull out
Speaker 1: that bag and get me like what the fuck? So
Speaker 1: I go to the house and sure enough, in the
Speaker 1: fireplace up to the left, this motherfucker's got some money
Speaker 1: stacked all in the fucking walls. You would go into
Speaker 1: the you would go into the A C. Register, and
Speaker 1: inside the register, he built shelves to stack the money,
Speaker 1: because who's gonna check inside the A C. When he
Speaker 1: would hide dope. He had hied dope in the shower,
Speaker 1: because who's gonna look in the shower. My brother was
Speaker 1: on another level. Why motherfucker's were trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: My brother was on the branding. Why if you had
Speaker 1: a favorite weed and you came into town and you
Speaker 1: needed five pounds and he knew your favorite ready just
Speaker 1: right on the back for you and hit you for
Speaker 1: that extra body. My brother was on such another level
Speaker 1: on the illegal side. I always the business man. So
Speaker 1: when you have when you have that as a backup,
Speaker 1: you go spending freely. I know my brother got me.
Speaker 1: I know my brother got me. I don't worry about
Speaker 1: I know my brother got me, right. And so that's
Speaker 1: the way my brother and I have always been bonded together.
Speaker 1: You know, our relationship was galvanized early on. And then
Speaker 1: we get you know, I get arrested the first time.
Speaker 1: Would you get arrest for? So I go to the
Speaker 1: MTV Music Awards right bawling. At the time, snow Queen
Speaker 1: Vodka was our sponsor, so we had a little extra money.
Speaker 1: And so I get a phone call from Bernard he said,
Speaker 1: by the way, I got Ken Shaffer on the line.
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, what's going on? Mr Shaeffer? He says, Brian,
Speaker 1: when you come into Houston, you're probably gonna be arrested.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what four? He said, Well, the
Speaker 1: Harris County Sheriff's Department has uh rated your house and
Speaker 1: found some marijuana plans. How on the fund did my
Speaker 1: house get ready? Only four people know about my house, me,
Speaker 1: my priest, my brother, and my ex. I did the
Speaker 1: priest do it? Because so this dumb bitch, She starts
Speaker 1: Pillow talking to her new husband. Six months after we
Speaker 1: break up, he gets caught smoking crack in the school zone. Right,
Speaker 1: He's got a little side piece. Little side piece tells him,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the guy i'm fucking is the chief detective.
Speaker 1: Are the are the sergeant for the Houston Police Department.
Speaker 1: He can get you off to any case. So he
Speaker 1: goes and tells him, I know this rapper who's growing weed.
Speaker 1: Can you help me with my case? So they bring
Speaker 1: a dog to my house. They say, the dog reacted right,
Speaker 1: what was the probable called not to cut off? That
Speaker 1: was the probable call. The dog, the dog reacting with
Speaker 1: the probable calls all day just stuck that case right
Speaker 1: up their ass. So we're about to get that case.
Speaker 1: We're about to get that Listen. He put the dog
Speaker 1: up there. He said, how many times does the dog
Speaker 1: get positive? They said, we don't keep those records, y'all don't.
Speaker 1: What's the difference between a trainer and a handler? What
Speaker 1: do you mean? I mean? It was straight gangster ship
Speaker 1: that you see in the movies for real. He goes
Speaker 1: after it. At one time he said, hey, listen, I
Speaker 1: can't do with your brother. Either you have him represents
Speaker 1: you or you have me represents you. But I can't
Speaker 1: do both of y'all. I mean, it was that type
Speaker 1: of level of thought that was going on. So we're
Speaker 1: going which one of your he couldn't do. He couldn't
Speaker 1: do Bernard because I was already signed to him. See
Speaker 1: one thing about he got James Kennedy. If kid can't
Speaker 1: do it, he's gonna tell you straight up. If he
Speaker 1: can't do it, he don't tell you straight up. Well
Speaker 1: he could, and he's not gonna take your money and
Speaker 1: not give you results straight There's a reason he's number one, y'all.
Speaker 1: If y'all ever get in trouble, can't shafer? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And we're not talking about no dope boys stuff. We're
Speaker 1: talking like billionaires. And I'm a yeah man ship, y'all welcome.
Speaker 1: Can I get executive producer credit? No? But so we're
Speaker 1: about to squash the first case, right. He says, do
Speaker 1: not get arrested, toe down, whatever you do. I'm a
Speaker 1: good little boy. I got all the weed out of
Speaker 1: my house. I'm just going to the Rockets game hanging out.
Speaker 1: I'm not even selling the dope anymore. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to the studio to record. I'm not reallyving fucking with
Speaker 1: the stuff. So I'm laying in my road with night
Speaker 1: piece in the bed. I got some party stuff on
Speaker 1: the ons, stuff bro the cocaine, the ecstasy cocaine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm relaxing. I'm relaxed, relaxing. Yes. So I got my
Speaker 1: two cousins in the house right there, chilling. I'm here
Speaker 1: in the of course, they're rolling blunts because I got
Speaker 1: all the premo stuff from the girlhouses. I get all
Speaker 1: the choice nudge brought in. Why not go at it.
Speaker 1: They're up there, they're sitting there, rolling up. I'm here
Speaker 1: in the doorbell going off. She says, who's at the door.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, ten o'clock at night? The fun is
Speaker 1: at the door. I'm in my road, you know, come on?
Speaker 1: He opened the door. Fort Ben Sheriff's Department opened the door. Damn. Now,
Speaker 1: at the time, I started watching these stupid ass videos
Speaker 1: how Never to Get Busted, And there was just dumbass
Speaker 1: white dude on there, and who had this dog training ship? Right,
Speaker 1: it was always in the back of these high time
Speaker 1: magazines where I was looking to buy seeds. Anyway, so
Speaker 1: I kept seeing this ship how Never to Get Busted
Speaker 1: DVD two Never, So I get this ship right, and
Speaker 1: you know he's explaining some gangster ship at the same
Speaker 1: time he's explaining some stupid ship. But this this, this point,
Speaker 1: I took the heart. He said, if you ever get
Speaker 1: confronted by a police officer, you don't want to open
Speaker 1: the door because if they open you open the door,
Speaker 1: they smell something that's probable cause, he says, So to
Speaker 1: prevent that, just kindly tell them. Have your dispatcher called
Speaker 1: me on the phone and explain my warrant. Move back
Speaker 1: to my scene, my house, Me in the road at
Speaker 1: the front door, Cheff car Sheriff Department, open the door.
Speaker 1: Can you kindly get out? Get out? I get the king,
Speaker 1: my fat ass to the back room, trying to dump
Speaker 1: that ship in the toilet as fast as I can.
Speaker 1: I get the plate. Before I get the plate and
Speaker 1: put it in the in the damn fucking toilet. The
Speaker 1: dudes on top of my back, I'm laying flat on
Speaker 1: my back on my bad like all right, don't move.
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, my dog is loose. Bits. You left
Speaker 1: the front door open. That was the scene that night
Speaker 1: for my second arrest. So I go to the Fort
Speaker 1: Bend County. No yet, because I don't have no fucking
Speaker 1: weed that I'm being arrested for. Why are y'all even here.
Speaker 1: We went to your brother's house and in his sixty
Speaker 1: square foot to state we found twenty five motherfucking lights growing,
Speaker 1: you know, fifty pounds of marijuana. Yeah, what does that
Speaker 1: have to do with you? Exactly? Well, they thought that
Speaker 1: I just moved it from my house to my brother's house,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. We grew out. We grew The first
Speaker 1: house is together at the same time that one was
Speaker 1: just still running because we have Ken Schaeffer. If you
Speaker 1: get Pop, go get Kent, you get out, no problem.
Speaker 1: That's the game plan, right, So listen, grow weed, save
Speaker 1: you up some stash in case you need a lawyer.
Speaker 1: You get Pop, go, spend the money on the lawyer,
Speaker 1: you get out. We thought that was the game plan.
Speaker 1: Well apparently not on my third arrest, right. So Pops
Speaker 1: is in the old Folks Home. He diing he needs
Speaker 1: a surgery for twenty grand. We just got busted. It
Speaker 1: cost a hundred and twenty five for each of our bonds,
Speaker 1: plus can't shaffer that's another three at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. That was with the federal ship too. Although
Speaker 1: in the federal he can't do stuff because his hands
Speaker 1: is tied. Because that's the whole racket in itself. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna break that down to me. Well, i mean,
Speaker 1: when the Fits come get you, they got you, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he can represent federal court though here he can.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is that, like I've had conversations
Speaker 1: we can't about the Fits, and he's like with the Fits,
Speaker 1: and like you're on the chart with the police on
Speaker 1: a hunch. Oh, come kick down, you're doing ship. Now
Speaker 1: you gotta go through all this bullshit watching watching, They're
Speaker 1: listening for weeks, months, years. When the motherfucker's come. They
Speaker 1: put the cameras on top of the lighthole to monitor
Speaker 1: the studio so they can see all the cars that come,
Speaker 1: and then they would go get other lightpoles in front
Speaker 1: of their houses to to monitor what they were doing.
Speaker 1: So my brother he would go to Kroger for poker
Speaker 1: night every Thursday and Saturday night over at the studio,
Speaker 1: and he had bringing a whole bunch of Kroger bags, right, Well,
Speaker 1: they thought his fat ask was bringing in dope and
Speaker 1: the Kroger bags. They were totally off on everything that
Speaker 1: they did. But the problem is that you're in an
Speaker 1: orange jumpsuit in front of a jury. You think you're
Speaker 1: gonna win the prize for the same offense. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I know I'm I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna sit down. I'm looking at a five or
Speaker 1: ten piece. I know I'm going, But damn did I
Speaker 1: bring my brother with me? I bring my cousin. At
Speaker 1: the time of my rest, there's twenty one girl houses,
Speaker 1: seven of them got popped, had one girl houses, and
Speaker 1: you didn't have a goal, which is just just because
Speaker 1: just like that happened, because stuff like that happened. We'll listen,
Speaker 1: when when your dad is dying, when you already spent
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty tho dollars on the lawyers, the
Speaker 1: car builds are due another thirty thousand on a monthly notice. There,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? And then like that? But
Speaker 1: they're depending on you too. But here's here's the thing.
Speaker 1: This is, this is one thing that I just failed
Speaker 1: to get from a lot of guys in the game.
Speaker 1: A lot of times guys don't have a plan. They
Speaker 1: just the only plan they have is to sell more
Speaker 1: drugs and buy things, you know, and that's it. But
Speaker 1: they don't have an exit strategy. They just go in
Speaker 1: and they're just doing. It's like it's gonna last forever.
Speaker 1: It's not a real job, it's not a real career.
Speaker 1: You're involved in criminal activity. At some point, you get
Speaker 1: a hundred houses a thousand, at some point you got
Speaker 1: to know that you're gonna get popped. And I think
Speaker 1: everybody is aware that the odds are very bad for
Speaker 1: guys who get to retire in the game. But still
Speaker 1: nobody were not nobody, but very few people actually has
Speaker 1: an excess strategy. So here's my rest verse reward thing. Right,
Speaker 1: I calculated in my head how much money would I
Speaker 1: be okay with to go do prison time per year?
Speaker 1: And in my number was half a million bucks. So
Speaker 1: I knew, this year, what are you willing to do?
Speaker 1: What are you willing to do for that? Right? For
Speaker 1: that five meal piece? How much time is that five
Speaker 1: mil piece worth to you? Right? Right, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 1: That means I gotta have five meal put up. Right,
Speaker 1: So as long as that was there the risk verse reward,
Speaker 1: how can I get to five million? A sup? I
Speaker 1: was prepared to do ten years as long as I
Speaker 1: could get to that five million, you catch, and my
Speaker 1: first house produced My first the first house Bernard was in,
Speaker 1: the six square foot was produced ten million a year.
Speaker 1: That's um after the end of the day, probably about
Speaker 1: three million of that. But you know, again, Bernard was
Speaker 1: a different animal than I was. So the excess strategy
Speaker 1: for me was always ever Bernard wants to do, and
Speaker 1: Bernard had franchise ideas lined up. But when you're making
Speaker 1: so much cash money and you compare that to a
Speaker 1: franchise like Dominoes, it's like, we're gonna go through all
Speaker 1: that headache, make sure nobody's stealing the fucking pizza out
Speaker 1: the back, and be there twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 1: All that, let's just grow some more dope. Uh how
Speaker 1: much of a toe? And well, I know you'll be
Speaker 1: candid too. I don't think you have a probably asked
Speaker 1: me this question, how much of a toe do you
Speaker 1: think that had on your parents health? You guys going
Speaker 1: through So I'm a product of old sperm. My dad
Speaker 1: had me when he was forty eight, so my dad
Speaker 1: was already elderly. When I was picked up from elementary school,
Speaker 1: they said, yeah, that's your grandfather. So you know, dad
Speaker 1: had a you know, you know, all fucking you know truth.
Speaker 1: He married someone twelve years younger than him so that
Speaker 1: she would make sure that somebody would be able to
Speaker 1: take care of him. So my mom and my dad
Speaker 1: were already up there in age when we are already
Speaker 1: doing this. You know, we had already been successful in
Speaker 1: the music business. The whole weed thing was something we
Speaker 1: did on the side to help our family and our
Speaker 1: friends have extra income. Hey, I just lost my job.
Speaker 1: I got a baby on the way, can you hook
Speaker 1: me up? I got a house cool, I'll bring in
Speaker 1: the girl equipment. You run the stuff, I'll teach you
Speaker 1: how to do it. We'll split it fifty fifty. When
Speaker 1: it comes down, I'll come pick up the weed. I'll
Speaker 1: bring your cash. You're good to go. And so most
Speaker 1: of my family members said, can I get a job?
Speaker 1: Can I get a million dollars a year? And so
Speaker 1: that's basically what it was, right, It was me helping
Speaker 1: out other people. Are there any of those people that
Speaker 1: you helped out who who did well? Who took the
Speaker 1: money and ran and are doing well with all main
Speaker 1: ship and all of them all of them turned Did
Speaker 1: this get up on the witness stand, did you did you? No?
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was testing them that I would go
Speaker 1: to trial. I push that on them, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to play my cards. But I don't have very many
Speaker 1: cards to play, but I was pushing it like that.
Speaker 1: But then you see your So in the federal system,
Speaker 1: in any court system, you get a thing called a discovery,
Speaker 1: and the discovery lays out how they how they put
Speaker 1: the case together, so you can figure out who Jim
Speaker 1: Bob was talking to, at what time in the morning,
Speaker 1: what was going down. So you get your discovery and
Speaker 1: you and when you see federal witness and then they
Speaker 1: give up the game and you're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: that can't be Kevin can it? And like wait a minute,
Speaker 1: that can't be Josh can it? And they're like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, that's my own cousin's paperwork, transcript buddy transcript
Speaker 1: name on it. But just to be real, their family
Speaker 1: is telling them, Hey, you do what you need to
Speaker 1: do to make sure you're right, but you can't blame
Speaker 1: them for that. You can't. Yeah, but you got down
Speaker 1: with it, though, man, that you knew everything. He would
Speaker 1: tell him. He would. He even told him, Hey, we've
Speaker 1: been arrested twice. We're about to crank it up again.
Speaker 1: The likelihood of us getting caught is extremely high. Are
Speaker 1: you in? And they would be like that, yes, let's go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't blame the parents of the family
Speaker 1: and friends for giving them the advice to look out
Speaker 1: for yourself. But you can't blame the people who who
Speaker 1: took that chance and said, I know what it is,
Speaker 1: I'm signing up for this. You you can't hold that
Speaker 1: that person should be held accountable because, man, you go
Speaker 1: out that man, and you know what it is. If
Speaker 1: you do something, man, do your time, you know, do
Speaker 1: your time space the consequences. You know, it's too many
Speaker 1: suckers out there, man, there's too many people out there
Speaker 1: that that wanna you know, ball light and have fun
Speaker 1: and kick it when everything's going good, and then when
Speaker 1: they go back, you know, yeah, should change. Yeah. Bard,
Speaker 1: he's you know, a little bit larger than me. He's
Speaker 1: in his underwear and sitting out handcuffs behind his back,
Speaker 1: chilling on the front porch, and he gotta worry about
Speaker 1: family members that are about to turn on him. That's
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And listen, I've told you.
Speaker 1: I told him early on, Hey listen, I'll do all
Speaker 1: the time. Give me all their time. I'll do it myself.
Speaker 1: If you just let my family go, I'll do twenty five.
Speaker 1: I want to have a problem with it. And now
Speaker 1: in that but they said, hey listen, if you don't
Speaker 1: sign this plea agreement, if you gave one dollar to
Speaker 1: your mom, we're gonna get hurt too. And they twist
Speaker 1: and they turned until somebody starts talking, oh, you got
Speaker 1: a gun and you were caught with these Tarryo brothers,
Speaker 1: where there's another five years just for you. Buddy, you're
Speaker 1: gonna do fifteen years for the Terryo brothers what they
Speaker 1: do for you. Man, you'll be on six months. Just
Speaker 1: write this statement. I did so. Um. I was sentence
Speaker 1: to eighty seven months. My brother was sentence to seventy months.
Speaker 1: Uh thanks to President Barack Obama, he signed in the
Speaker 1: law that ten uh non violent drugon finders could get
Speaker 1: received ten percent off their time. So that's what gave
Speaker 1: me the idea for should have been. So here comes
Speaker 1: this thought non violent drug offenders. Why are they doing
Speaker 1: fucking time? Why is anybody doing time for dope? Why?
Speaker 1: When I got arrested. The arresting agent said, you know,
Speaker 1: in five years, this is gonna be legal. I said,
Speaker 1: why are you even arresting me? Then he said, because
Speaker 1: it's the law. So it's funny how they always say
Speaker 1: it's the law until they break the law themselves, because
Speaker 1: they loved breaking the law. But he knew what the
Speaker 1: outcome was when he was arresting me. You knew this
Speaker 1: is a bullshit. They were betting on how much time
Speaker 1: I would get, the arresting officers that were betting on
Speaker 1: how much time I would get. Man, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you when I saw it, when I saw that damn headlines,
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, I didn't laugh. I didn't laugh.
Speaker 1: I don't laugh about ship like that because I know
Speaker 1: it's I know how serious it is. But when I
Speaker 1: saw it, I was like, the fuck whoa? You know,
Speaker 1: like you have been over there before you did fucking
Speaker 1: but not. The coolest part is I had no fucking
Speaker 1: idea that you was, you know, that big in the
Speaker 1: game like that. You you had a fucking Mokia named
Speaker 1: after you. Bro like the Terio drug trafficking organizing with
Speaker 1: the reco Act bro hold on, I'll go ahead, No no, no.
Speaker 1: So when we're getting sentenced, you're in the FEDS, you're
Speaker 1: done on a chart, right, So on the side there's
Speaker 1: numbers that go down. The further the numbers go down,
Speaker 1: the higher your sentence gets. Okay, yeah, level Kin Schaffer
Speaker 1: and I are standing up there together while I'm being sentenced, right,
Speaker 1: Ken has certain levels marked off where he thinks we're
Speaker 1: gonna be at, you know, thirty six months, twenty four months,
Speaker 1: eighteen months, like all right, Judge starts speaking. He says,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna give you four points for being a
Speaker 1: leader organizer and the Tario Drug traff Fingal Organization. And
Speaker 1: when I give you one point for maintaining a place
Speaker 1: of manufacturing, my number went from twenty four eighteen, it
Speaker 1: went all the way to thirty six, fifty six, seventy
Speaker 1: eighty seven. I was at eighty seven months. I got
Speaker 1: four point enhancement for being a leader organizer and something
Speaker 1: that a bunch of fucking dope Edge went and started
Speaker 1: growing some weed. We're just friends. We're not no organized
Speaker 1: organizes at least thing. I couldn't get five guys together
Speaker 1: to come help me cut the weed. It's harvest time, bro,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be smoking. Everybody hated cutting weed because you
Speaker 1: had to cut it all at one time. It was
Speaker 1: a twelve hour said, and you were sucking. You were like,
Speaker 1: they're with scissors for twelve hours, and everybody hated it.
Speaker 1: So we're bringing people we had put you know, we
Speaker 1: would take glasses and we put tape on the inside
Speaker 1: the glasses, and we put you in the car and
Speaker 1: we drive you around five or six times and pull
Speaker 1: up to the house. You start cutting, and twelve hours
Speaker 1: later you come out and everything that you are on
Speaker 1: just sticky and smells like weed. You can't get it
Speaker 1: off you for a couple of days. Like wherever you go,
Speaker 1: you just smell like a pound of weeds. Boys and girls,
Speaker 1: if anybody offers your job that requires you to be
Speaker 1: blindfolded to go to the sward. These were people that
Speaker 1: we knew, but we didn't officially trust all the way, right,
Speaker 1: you know, people you play poker with, or people you
Speaker 1: trust enough, like hey, man, you need some extra money.
Speaker 1: You hey, you need bucks and all the week and
Speaker 1: you can smoke in a night. Come on, girl, boys.
Speaker 1: Reloaded podcasts will be right back after the poet. But
Speaker 1: so let's talk about dopeheads and f t s. This
Speaker 1: is your you guys, it's joint venture. Uh I saw
Speaker 1: what a Johnny Cash is your executive art director. How
Speaker 1: first of all, how did all of that came to be?
Speaker 1: And how did you guys come to hook up with Johnny? Okay?
Speaker 1: So yeah he got so um. When I'm locked up
Speaker 1: fighting this case first the federal government and they call
Speaker 1: out law library, law library, and you get your pen
Speaker 1: and pad and you go to this law library that's
Speaker 1: in the Federal Correctional facility, and you think there's gonna
Speaker 1: be some tools and equipment there to help you mount
Speaker 1: an attack against the federal government. And you look at
Speaker 1: these old asked books that look like your granny's encyclopedias,
Speaker 1: and you're like, wait, they're using Google, they're using snitches,
Speaker 1: they're using everything at their disposal. And I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: use these books in mind an attack against the federal government. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'll just take my paper now. That's how I felt,
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's a shifty feeling to have.
Speaker 1: So I said, the next major thing that I do,
Speaker 1: if I ever get a chance to get the spotlight,
Speaker 1: just one more time, Jesus please I'm gonna help free
Speaker 1: non violent drug offenders. There's no reason why you should
Speaker 1: be doing time behind some fucking dope. And so that
Speaker 1: was there for real thank you, real talk bro. The
Speaker 1: truth part about it that the same people that's locking
Speaker 1: you up they do drugs too, every weekend. So that's
Speaker 1: where the idea came from. Then at the time, my
Speaker 1: brother and I were released from federal prison seventeen. But
Speaker 1: I was like, what do you want to do. I'm like,
Speaker 1: let me give it one more shot at this rapping ship.
Speaker 1: You heard some of the songs I was doing all
Speaker 1: the country ship all that. So that wasn't making us
Speaker 1: enough money as my brother flipping houses. So my brother
Speaker 1: and I start flipping houses, doing the real estate thing, putting,
Speaker 1: you know, putting some good paper in our pocket. COVID
Speaker 1: hits kind of get shut down a little bit. I
Speaker 1: end up getting my real estate license during this time.
Speaker 1: But I started messing with this thing called cryptocurrency, and
Speaker 1: I start making a little bit of bread, just regular cryptocurrency,
Speaker 1: putting a little bit of money in and multiplies taking
Speaker 1: it out. At the very beginning, I was just on
Speaker 1: bitcoin and ethereum, on robin hood. So they weren't even
Speaker 1: my coins. I was just on their platform and I
Speaker 1: didn't even get to possess the coins. So I learned
Speaker 1: crypto in about a year passed by, and I'm sucking
Speaker 1: with these things called n f t s, and I'm
Speaker 1: getting in these community discords, and I'm getting on these
Speaker 1: pre cell white lists, and I'm able to to buy
Speaker 1: these n f t s before everybody else, and then
Speaker 1: as soon as the cell ends, I'm able to flip
Speaker 1: these for five and ten times the amount. So an
Speaker 1: n f T is a non fungible token, So that
Speaker 1: just means it's it's something property you can't touch. So
Speaker 1: think of it as this. Think of it as like
Speaker 1: a digital trading card. Okay, digital trading like a jose
Speaker 1: Can Saco rookie might not be as much work as
Speaker 1: you know, compared to a Johnny Jim Jim Jim ha rookie. Right,
Speaker 1: you know, they're both baseball cards, but one has different value.
Speaker 1: And that's what non fungible means, one having different value
Speaker 1: but being of the same. There's there's actually that's and
Speaker 1: that's the current state of people's understanding of it. But
Speaker 1: the underlying technology of the n f T it's actually
Speaker 1: can replace like user name and passwords. You could do
Speaker 1: anything that has a unique I D that needs to
Speaker 1: be secured and unchangeable. It could be your house D.
Speaker 1: So to think about on the business side of having
Speaker 1: that on the internet. Now you've got a user name
Speaker 1: and I D. Like we're using it for to give
Speaker 1: people access to do business with us on topezz. Like
Speaker 1: if you have the n f T, you can buy
Speaker 1: merch you can buy things that whole cell. You can
Speaker 1: actually come in and work in profit with us, just
Speaker 1: like a corporate vendor list. Yeah, I'm I'm fully aware
Speaker 1: of how n f T s operate. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: the president of talent, the Acquisition and n f T
Speaker 1: department at side time. Oh nice, so we're talking to
Speaker 1: the man over here, I know. So for our listeners
Speaker 1: that are out there listening, uh an n f T
Speaker 1: could be a piece of artwork, it could be uh
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be a part of a community. It
Speaker 1: could be multiple things. And so this being the new medium, right,
Speaker 1: you attached the social cast to it and now you
Speaker 1: have a movement. And so before this came about was
Speaker 1: the idea and it being a social cause and Mike
Speaker 1: had posted something on Instagram about him menting his first
Speaker 1: n f T and at the time I was talking
Speaker 1: to Johnny Cash begging him to give me an opportunity
Speaker 1: to Hey, draw these characters I have in mind. You
Speaker 1: just draw these characters for me. I'll help change your life.
Speaker 1: Just trust me on this. Just give me too. Whatever
Speaker 1: your salary is for two months, let me know I
Speaker 1: need you for two months. I'll change your life. And
Speaker 1: so he committed the first The first character he drew
Speaker 1: was Buddy. Which one is Buddy? Buddy, it's in the middle.
Speaker 1: And so as I as I reached out to Mike
Speaker 1: Frost and say, hey, listen, I hear you're in the
Speaker 1: n f T s. Let's get together on some stuff.
Speaker 1: I got some ideas I want to run past you.
Speaker 1: So I bring him, you know, the Wrestlers of the Metal,
Speaker 1: the masked Wrestlers of the Metaverse, where we could do
Speaker 1: the wrestling mass and do all the changes stuff exactly.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he said. So he said, that's trash.
Speaker 1: So idea after idea after idea. He sees Buddy and
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm in, let's do this. And the Buddy
Speaker 1: and forty ounce and and shum that's Melvin. Melvin is
Speaker 1: is assurance. So yeah, the Mushroom, his name is Hall Passed.
Speaker 1: You got Hall Passed, Buddy and as a man characters,
Speaker 1: So so we have we were throwing names up and
Speaker 1: that's what stuck. So we have a core of characters
Speaker 1: that are all kind of just weirdly named. On our
Speaker 1: intro and we go to our website. We produced a
Speaker 1: couple of short animated UH animated cartoons, one being about
Speaker 1: bootleggers Beware. So there was a rap a lot story
Speaker 1: that we heard about a long time ago that when
Speaker 1: you were selling their stuff, they would show up on you.
Speaker 1: Just watch the cartoon if you want to figure out
Speaker 1: what happens next. So we took the idea and ran
Speaker 1: with it. It's been lighting up the internet. It's very funny.
Speaker 1: It's all in good humor. And uh so the n
Speaker 1: f T what it is. It's an animated series. It's
Speaker 1: a toy and collectible line and that's the nucleus of it,
Speaker 1: to help provide funding for non violent drug offenders. Have
Speaker 1: you it is? Have you ever? Um? I guess came
Speaker 1: across any resistance you got, you got detractors out there
Speaker 1: saying that, Hey, you know, you're perpetuating this negative image
Speaker 1: the time. I say, that's the hook I got you
Speaker 1: talking about it. Now, now let's talk about it. But
Speaker 1: you get into our community too, and you start realizing
Speaker 1: real quick, it's like a real positive thing. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: not necessarily promoting dope. What we're doing is bringing education
Speaker 1: and awareness. Hey, listen, you heard my story. Now, now
Speaker 1: you can make a better decision than somebody saying just
Speaker 1: say no. That's what I was told right growing up
Speaker 1: our I was just told just say no. They told
Speaker 1: me that marijuana doesn't have any medical value. So what
Speaker 1: y'all been feeding me has been bullshit the whole time.
Speaker 1: Let me hear someone else's story, and that's where we
Speaker 1: come in. We just provide a different form of education
Speaker 1: for you that. Hey, it gets the conversation started. Now,
Speaker 1: let's have a conversation. When you see this image, you
Speaker 1: click on it, right, and then you go find out, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're helping up free non violent drug offenders. Oh, they're
Speaker 1: an animated series, and their toys and collectibles. Oh, there's
Speaker 1: so much more in this nf T. When when I
Speaker 1: when I heard about this, I wasn't surprised he was
Speaker 1: behind it because you're renting game. But I wasn't no
Speaker 1: surprised that Mike was involved because Mike is low keily,
Speaker 1: laid back. Man. I think it was me that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is what we're doing. If
Speaker 1: I'm doing anything with you, is that right? But I
Speaker 1: have you know, I'm Mike is really you know what
Speaker 1: though I not think about it. He's like a mass
Speaker 1: notis he's one big back then ship be up to
Speaker 1: all kinds of ship. You don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: Looked at the computer doing something. I looked at the
Speaker 1: social cause I looked at this. I had a Switcher
Speaker 1: house cover I did that had almost similar characters like
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. Um, and I just you know, like
Speaker 1: a lot of things, whether when it comes to design,
Speaker 1: like man, I just know certain ship when you see it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's it, that's what we gotta do.
Speaker 1: Some of it is like we're at this um precipice
Speaker 1: of like you know, people are taking the shrooms and
Speaker 1: and mushrooms and they're taking things for medical purposes all
Speaker 1: over the place. Um, growing up and doing all the
Speaker 1: hip hop I'm talking about me for medical purposes the
Speaker 1: uh you know, with the social cause. From doing all
Speaker 1: the rap album covers, I actually got to see firsthand,
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm I hate the drug war and what
Speaker 1: it did to people, so I was behind that on it.
Speaker 1: Um it's just man, I can tell you like it.
Speaker 1: It's really been all gas, no breaks on this. Instantly
Speaker 1: recognize the idea as a hit, and like, I think
Speaker 1: about it now since I've been business partners with them,
Speaker 1: and I've noticed fairly quickly, but me and him has
Speaker 1: just been hitting it like Harden and Fat and getting
Speaker 1: this stuff done. And I was like, well, this motherfucker
Speaker 1: did put together a bunch of grow houses, you gotta
Speaker 1: wrap studio and a rap album video like no wonder
Speaker 1: this is. We're moving like this because the hustler put
Speaker 1: that in the game, Coach that that you are man,
Speaker 1: you are a hustler. I want to get down with
Speaker 1: what you want to ship in some some capacity because
Speaker 1: I'm down. I'm down with the non violent offenders. I
Speaker 1: want to make sure that they get out and get
Speaker 1: on their feet. And then too, I like the idea
Speaker 1: of you know, some n f T type ship it's done,
Speaker 1: say less William and I want to work on an album,
Speaker 1: but characters, isn't almost that I will do this car.
Speaker 1: I mean your careers as animated characters. I mean it's
Speaker 1: less work, more, more notoriety. I mean we have open
Speaker 1: positions for both of you. Guys. Listen. We believe in
Speaker 1: sharing the wealth. Were tough. Hey are you guys doing
Speaker 1: south By Southwest big time? We are. We are invading Austin.
Speaker 1: We have two rap vehicles, both with sixty five in displays.
Speaker 1: We have over two hundred and twenty five people who
Speaker 1: have signed the Front Street Team. Yeah, it's going down.
Speaker 1: That's good man. We got these giant heads made of
Speaker 1: all the characters like Blake jump in the marsh pits
Speaker 1: of forty good hands came about Buddy. Is he gonna
Speaker 1: be there? He's gonna be there and his girlfriend baby.
Speaker 1: We got girlfud, right, we got a girl, Bud. We're
Speaker 1: gonna make a scene in Austin. We're gonna need to
Speaker 1: be in on this. It's done. Say less like what
Speaker 1: I need to do? Um, we'll talk to since we'll
Speaker 1: talk off camera. Yeah. Yeah, I don't really want to
Speaker 1: ask some more questions, but I want to ask. I'm good.
Speaker 1: I think, I think we are. I think the follow
Speaker 1: up is gonna be even better because I see this
Speaker 1: going somewhere, you know, And it's beautiful that you were
Speaker 1: able to be able to pivot and catch your snap man,
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna play you something, man, um, we gotta
Speaker 1: do better. Hey man, you gotta do better. And and y'all, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'are too smart. Man, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: I know everybody has told you this before. Y'all really
Speaker 1: too smart to get caught up like and and the
Speaker 1: reason but it happens to the best, it's because that
Speaker 1: lack of opportunity. And so what we've done in our community.
Speaker 1: When you're in Discord, there's ample opportunity. It's almost has
Speaker 1: a prerequisite that you be a felony to come work
Speaker 1: with us, because if you can voice the character, or
Speaker 1: you can do animation, or you can pass out a flyer,
Speaker 1: you're part of this community. You feel like you're part
Speaker 1: of the community. Two d and twenty people signed up
Speaker 1: for the street team in a matter of minutes. We're
Speaker 1: hiring from the inside the community and people that support us.
Speaker 1: So the cool thing about Discard, I'm saying, it's for
Speaker 1: the audience at Discord because people don't get on it.
Speaker 1: It's probably the best software for managing a fan base
Speaker 1: and building a business. I'm going to do a voice
Speaker 1: over thought on the characters right now. You listened to it,
Speaker 1: right now, then let me finish, man, So go ahead
Speaker 1: with it. You know what, now you forget what you
Speaker 1: wanted to say. You're gonna try to pass. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I can do a voice over all
Speaker 1: three of these characters. So I went back. I went
Speaker 1: to Merciless, was an old friend of mine, that ratting
Speaker 1: Houston span it dude. I went to Devon the dude
Speaker 1: that was the only person I was just like, I
Speaker 1: gotta have you on the carton as a fan. Now
Speaker 1: he's not buddy, he's He's a character called Dubie the dude.
Speaker 1: I love Damon. Shout out do Melvin right quick with
Speaker 1: Melvin sound like uh? I think Melvin a sound like this.
Speaker 1: I think Melvin might be a little bit too drunk.
Speaker 1: Men just came on. Melvin just came home, college girl
Speaker 1: in bed with another dude. Action bit like this is
Speaker 1: the scariest where you get huh. I think that's carried
Speaker 1: you at They come home and slap the big act. Listen,
Speaker 1: we are in C. Seventeen, pg. Thirteen. Sometimes yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we make although we might advertise on porn hub and
Speaker 1: that's a marketing strategy. Doesn't mean when we launched it,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get the motion capture stuff and set up
Speaker 1: the animation studio so we can get out there and
Speaker 1: live actor and ship. Like what you said, actually make
Speaker 1: it in the cartoon. I'm gonna make the cartoon wrong
Speaker 1: the first couple similar I did the first all hard
Speaker 1: with from the inside. The community too on this project,
Speaker 1: like community. So we have a discord of over ten
Speaker 1: thousand dopeads. We have a Instagram of over time. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this this dope hands the whole community right now,
Speaker 1: Like I just put you are amazing with this ship.
Speaker 1: You start movements, man and and and get money from it. Well,
Speaker 1: come on, I'm not stupid. Look, so we got ten
Speaker 1: thousand dopeets online right now, all chatting twenty four hours
Speaker 1: a day all around the world Australia. Uh you knowing
Speaker 1: four hours a day. Not for clarity, do you have
Speaker 1: to be on drugs to be a dope pet? Now
Speaker 1: there are doctors and there's like people with like real
Speaker 1: jobs and stuff in our community and they and they
Speaker 1: help out because it's about drugs. It's about helping free
Speaker 1: non violent drug offenders and people with substance abuse problems
Speaker 1: like drugs, like wood drugs. I mean, what do you
Speaker 1: define it? Like the drug drugs? Illicit products like like
Speaker 1: Cocaine's a drug? U heroin, heroin, heroin, heroin, um percocess.
Speaker 1: That's prescription mana heroine? Are you? Yeah? You think you
Speaker 1: think that weed is a drug. Now, we're just not
Speaker 1: a drug. So you work around with some weed now.
Speaker 1: I just don't like it. I don't like to smoke.
Speaker 1: I don't like putting nothing, no smoke in my body.
Speaker 1: Will you told me one time and somebody actually get
Speaker 1: you a uh I'm edible ate it and he was
Speaker 1: hot you No, they didn't. They didn't slip it tip
Speaker 1: to me. This woman was walking around my restaurant with
Speaker 1: a with a bag of damn goodies and I was
Speaker 1: I was hungry. I was hungry. I didn't know the
Speaker 1: damn thing wasn't edible and it was just like some cookies, right,
Speaker 1: So I asked her about I said, I said, what
Speaker 1: you got that I'm trying to support. You know what
Speaker 1: I said, I said, what you got that she's like?
Speaker 1: And she was an old black lady. She was like
Speaker 1: some cookies, and I said, I said, don't care about
Speaker 1: what you said. I said, how much? She said turned.
Speaker 1: I should have known something. You know, people be selling
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff over price these days, so I
Speaker 1: just felt like it was gonna make cookie or something.
Speaker 1: So I just gave it ten dollars for the cookie.
Speaker 1: And uh, I said that man, and ate the damn
Speaker 1: half of the damn cookie before my food came out.
Speaker 1: I ordered some food, so I ate half of the cookie.
Speaker 1: My food came out, and this was Super Bowl Day
Speaker 1: two years ago. I ate the damn half of the
Speaker 1: cookie and then ate my food and then finished it
Speaker 1: off like it was dessert. Man, Look, look I went.
Speaker 1: I went to my buddy house. I went to my
Speaker 1: buddy house. I get to this house. I'm sitting in
Speaker 1: the theater like watching the game, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I'm talking and the guys, the other guys, they're like,
Speaker 1: and we're laughing at everything. Man, over that bad. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: I just got a good buzz drink because he had
Speaker 1: pulled me a drink when I got it pulled me
Speaker 1: some some rocks. So I think I just you know,
Speaker 1: just buzzing a little bit. Yeah. So all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I'm listening to what they're saying. He starts to happen
Speaker 1: in slow motion. How still at that point, I'm relaxed,
Speaker 1: like totally relaxed. But I'm like, and so I started talking.
Speaker 1: I started trying to measure my words because I don't
Speaker 1: want to look like a food, So I'm trying to control,
Speaker 1: you know, what my words coming out. Some I'm speaking,
Speaker 1: but I'm starting to notice, like this ship is coming
Speaker 1: out in slow motion. And then when they say something,
Speaker 1: I respond seconds later, and I'm like, okay, chill the
Speaker 1: funk I ain gonna say nothing. I'm just gonna chill.
Speaker 1: So I sat there and I was like, well, I
Speaker 1: gotta relax. So about five minutes later start doing it.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm having a heart attack. That up so
Speaker 1: my boy, uh, well my heart start. I don't understand
Speaker 1: when first it started doing a little bit something like
Speaker 1: any time something going on, he stug getting and then
Speaker 1: and then it just started who So I was like,
Speaker 1: I turned him up, boy, I said, he said, huh
Speaker 1: he h hen behind He's like, huh I talk. I can't.
Speaker 1: I ain't got no volume. I'm like, he said, he
Speaker 1: said gold that one one. I said, that was your
Speaker 1: first time. That my first time ever. Dude, Hey, now,
Speaker 1: when did you realize that? You were like, you ate
Speaker 1: that edible? When did you realize? I was like, because
Speaker 1: I know it wasn't a drink it I only had
Speaker 1: drink that much drink. It was straight drink. But still,
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just a regular drink. But I
Speaker 1: caught my snap. I was like, it was that goddamn
Speaker 1: fifteen dollar motherfucker cooking cookie. He's never gonna forget. I
Speaker 1: was like, it was that cookie. So and I told him,
Speaker 1: I say, while while the paramedics was on the way,
Speaker 1: I'm telling my boy, I say, he said, he how
Speaker 1: about say so when they come, when they come, they
Speaker 1: come in there and they they took me up and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and he said, well uh, And I
Speaker 1: had to tell him. I said yeah. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I haint edible. And he was quiet, like, don I
Speaker 1: hate edible? So he was like, what did your mind?
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, no, I hate straight up. What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Arrest me for you? What did your mind?
Speaker 1: Go through and you saw that I was an ambulance.
Speaker 1: Man came the em come in. Did you walk up
Speaker 1: to me slow? No? No, no this point. At this point,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm trying to control my life. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not about the fucking die in this room. In
Speaker 1: this it's somebody has It's not time for me to die.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. So dude was like, well, the good
Speaker 1: thing is you're not having a heart attack, and he said,
Speaker 1: but we can get to check out. You're still you know,
Speaker 1: take a ride, go get checked out or whatever else.
Speaker 1: So I didn't ride an ambulance, but I had my
Speaker 1: guys to take me over and get checked out. And
Speaker 1: what are you talking about a hospital bill? It's like
Speaker 1: it's five figures, man, just to go in there for
Speaker 1: five Yeah, just going there for a few minutes. Man,
Speaker 1: was a couple of hours. But it's got to be
Speaker 1: a freaking But I didn't know crazy. I didn't know
Speaker 1: what that experience was supposed to feel like, nobody, nobody
Speaker 1: gave me here. It's I just heard stories about edibles
Speaker 1: like so you can ask like this. We have a
Speaker 1: strategic partner with Moon Harvest and they're a leader in
Speaker 1: the cbd UM Cannabis movement their dispensary out of Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 1: And what they've done is they've made edibles out of
Speaker 1: the CBD products. Some have psychoactive properties. What the psychoactive
Speaker 1: can be sucked up, okay, cool, so, and so there's
Speaker 1: an alternative where you can use these edibles too if
Speaker 1: you have joint inflammation. They even discovered recently that the
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen cells can't bond to the uh same molecules
Speaker 1: the cannabinoids. So there's some interesting ship that MSNBC just
Speaker 1: released about hemp products cbd A. And so we've teamed
Speaker 1: up with my Mom Harvest. You can go right now
Speaker 1: to their website. My Moon Harvests get thirty percent off
Speaker 1: just by saying your dopead coupon code dope pads. And
Speaker 1: so I need to be a well, let me just
Speaker 1: not say that because the people might get the wrong idea.
Speaker 1: You just need to be a dope because we're listen,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong behind and you do and you know
Speaker 1: that's my doubt when you go to the hospital. Only
Speaker 1: when I go to do it, I go to the
Speaker 1: hospital to get high. Man. I knew it was a hit.
Speaker 1: One of my daughters, like friends, had it on her
Speaker 1: the sticker on her phone and she started talking about yeah,
Speaker 1: my mom seeing the sticker and I'm like, damn. She
Speaker 1: was fun and I was like, oh yes. So what
Speaker 1: I tell people is, imagine if you could go back
Speaker 1: with Walt Disney and at the time he was creating
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse and Steamboat Willie. If Mickey Mouse were an
Speaker 1: n f T, how much would he be worth today,
Speaker 1: sixties seventy years later, five ten million dollars. This is
Speaker 1: the same opportunity we're given to people. You buy a
Speaker 1: dope Head n f T, you can semi customize it
Speaker 1: by writing its name in his backstory. You can audition
Speaker 1: your character for the series so you can be a
Speaker 1: part of the series and then noting that. But we've
Speaker 1: had an interesting aspect where we're doing a delayed reveal,
Speaker 1: so you can either reveal your n f T now
Speaker 1: or you can choose to delay reveal for twelve months
Speaker 1: where you have an opportunity to get a more rare
Speaker 1: dope head in FT, we're doing some pretty funky stuff
Speaker 1: with the utilities. Can you make me a dope head monkey,
Speaker 1: a dope action figure. We're working on right now. I
Speaker 1: mean I want to dope character too. That's done. I
Speaker 1: think you got one on your shirt. This is me
Speaker 1: see it. Come on, bro, that's that's your album cover
Speaker 1: and that's scarface, like for real, Bro, you know we're
Speaker 1: doing this an album with the Diary and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But that's a box head though. If you really think
Speaker 1: a head, it's a block of coat. That's a block
Speaker 1: of coat. That's a that's a that's a block of cocad.
Speaker 1: He's like the You know you should see Uncle Wills.
Speaker 1: He's got his old album cover on there. Yes he did,
Speaker 1: but see here put it up because he didn't want
Speaker 1: you to see it. I guess you know. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get you. I'm gonna get your size up on
Speaker 1: that too. It's a little small. It looks good on you,
Speaker 1: but I'll get you another one. Just you know, hood's
Speaker 1: supposed to become you. Look it's good fish, good side.
Speaker 1: It makes him looks like you've been shopping on one
Speaker 1: of the fancy stores. The Berman burn Off Goodman. If
Speaker 1: it's got two names, just gotta be expensive. Oh Man
Speaker 1: in New York, bro Big the Avenue. I bought two
Speaker 1: sweaters Man we tried to thumb. We need to get
Speaker 1: We need to get dopeads, hoodies and need in the
Speaker 1: north room. We need to get dope head hoodies and
Speaker 1: premium goods. Everybody go online in type in premium goods
Speaker 1: Houston Man and ask Jim to put the dopehead t
Speaker 1: shirts and ship. It's just gonna be big. I need in.
Speaker 1: What's the website? So it's real simple, it's dope Heads
Speaker 1: n FT dot com. People simple, We're on all social
Speaker 1: media platforms as dope heads plural in FT. You can
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Speaker 1: points for a leader organizer role, you're getting the same
Speaker 1: points that Pablo Escobar would have been charged with that
Speaker 1: chop uh he got. You know, one more question, the
Speaker 1: wildest thing you saw? Why you always locked up wild
Speaker 1: beside beside besides the let me say this, and let
Speaker 1: me say this easy. Let me say this, ain't no
Speaker 1: fun being in a cage under any circumstances. But if
Speaker 1: I had to do some time, that time, any kind
Speaker 1: of time, I would like to have you in there
Speaker 1: because I know you're gonna make my time little easier.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make it go by because you gotta light
Speaker 1: you lighthearted. Your fund is hell. And I know we're
Speaker 1: gonna be tripping. We're gonna talk about some cool stuff
Speaker 1: to you. Probably make some bro and I used to
Speaker 1: make the pies and slang pies man for a book.
Speaker 1: You could come get you a toe down pie man.
Speaker 1: I had night boys slanging Cramer pies whip game in effect.
Speaker 1: I don't mean no wine that ship. I'm gonna do something.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna smoke. Did you have to You have to
Speaker 1: have at least one one squabbling that right now, do
Speaker 1: your time. I did blood baby, Yeah, they stabbing, They
Speaker 1: ain't fighting, um so you know, not on a race thing.
Speaker 1: But I was asked to be the speaker for the
Speaker 1: white boys who weren't Arian brotherhood, and so the former
Speaker 1: the former speaker told me this. He said, if you
Speaker 1: can't talk your way. I have a situation, then you
Speaker 1: deserve to have your ass beat in the first place.
Speaker 1: So everything you approach with the group should be let
Speaker 1: me figure out a way to be diplomatic and work
Speaker 1: out the situation. And so knowing that knowledge could save
Speaker 1: my life in that situation, you can apply to And
Speaker 1: so if you can't talk your way out of a situation,
Speaker 1: then you deserve to have your ass beat. So your
Speaker 1: your mind should be working differently. It shouldn't be worried
Speaker 1: about I got my boots all all right, let's go.
Speaker 1: I'm a company face with the one. Your mind is
Speaker 1: already thinking the wrong thing, and and and for clarity,
Speaker 1: it's not about being a coward, no, No, it's about
Speaker 1: understanding that conflict is costly. That's right, because command already right,
Speaker 1: I'm not the I am the minority in prison, right,
Speaker 1: so I'm out number. So any one of my guys
Speaker 1: goes down, that's one of my I can't risk any
Speaker 1: one of these dudes. That's all we got. You know,
Speaker 1: we're barely trying to keep ourselves together, you know, before
Speaker 1: we got to give up, you know, So I mean ship,
Speaker 1: I don't want to lose any of these guys, no
Speaker 1: bullshit that I've done. You know. I want a particular point,
Speaker 1: there was there was an issue the Hispanics were taking
Speaker 1: the fruit that the white guys were leaving on the
Speaker 1: table that they didn't want anyway, that they were leaving
Speaker 1: it on the table for somebody else to have. They
Speaker 1: were mad that the Hispanics were picking up the fruit
Speaker 1: and they were taking it. I said, you were leaving
Speaker 1: it there in the first place. You were, you were
Speaker 1: leaving it there if you want to take it with you.
Speaker 1: You can't be mad at somebody else picking it up
Speaker 1: off your table. I know it's I know, the tables
Speaker 1: close to the line, but you just can't be mad
Speaker 1: at that. And that that issue went on for at
Speaker 1: least three weeks, and I just told myself, listen, you
Speaker 1: just gotta understand what you're dealing with in here. That
Speaker 1: TV is so important to so many people in there
Speaker 1: that you don't even understand. So don't go up there
Speaker 1: and touch the TV. Please don't touch the TV. And
Speaker 1: please don't do it if you're in a black TV room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so my first lesson in prison, Right, I'm chilling with
Speaker 1: the homies, my people, right, I'm I'm not anything. We're
Speaker 1: watching the BT like I'm watching BT like we're over
Speaker 1: here together. I'm thinking we're at Uncle Will's house. I
Speaker 1: go to change the TV, right, I'm changing TV. This
Speaker 1: happens for like three days, right toe downs up there
Speaker 1: changing the TV. All of a sudden, my brother and
Speaker 1: I are locked up together, by the way, This is
Speaker 1: early on when we're in cars rated downtown FDC. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I see all the black guys holding
Speaker 1: up in the thing over he Damn, I'm seeing get
Speaker 1: your glass over. Your man's going about to go down. Man.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, my brother he's kind of looking
Speaker 1: around and he's like, oh man, it is gonna go
Speaker 1: down in this bitch. They're gonna get somebody. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, my brother he goes up to the cell,
Speaker 1: you know, make sure everything is copacetic. He's gonna be
Speaker 1: out the way if something goes down, you know, protect
Speaker 1: his brain at all costs. And so I'm down there,
Speaker 1: still watching TV, and I saw all the guys come
Speaker 1: out and they all go up to my brother's cell,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, they's gonna funk with my brother, Like, man,
Speaker 1: what the funk are So I'm like, man, what the
Speaker 1: fund do I do? Right? So I go up there,
Speaker 1: and at this point everybody has left to sell. They said,
Speaker 1: I'll be a son of bit, keep your goddamn hand
Speaker 1: off that TV. They're down there having a discussion about you.
Speaker 1: You can't be touching their TV. Man. I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't understand that. Because I was white and touching
Speaker 1: the TV, it might give the false impression that that
Speaker 1: was a white boy TV. And so they had established
Speaker 1: the TV areas and the TV sitting there, and I
Speaker 1: was disrespecting them. So yeah, people need to understand that,
Speaker 1: like will. So I manned up and I went down
Speaker 1: the situation. I said, hey, guys, listen, I'm new. I apologize,
Speaker 1: no disrespect. I won't touch you'all TV anymore. Where can
Speaker 1: I watch TV at? And they said, tode, You're always
Speaker 1: welcome over here, but the white boy TV is down
Speaker 1: there with those tromos. Goddamn, I funk some chomos. So
Speaker 1: come on, let's go funk some chos. Usually whoever has
Speaker 1: the most uh inmates, you know, like that, that's who
Speaker 1: had the most TVs, you know, because they're gonna take
Speaker 1: up more space. But I know you, I mean, but
Speaker 1: that's how it goes. But that's a very learning lesson,
Speaker 1: you know, space boundaries. I'm glad that you you that
Speaker 1: you decided to use diplomacy instead of, you know, being
Speaker 1: emotional and just jumping in there. Yeah, we wouldn't be
Speaker 1: having this conversation, not at all. Know. But the craziest
Speaker 1: thing I ever saw was somebody get they head bust
Speaker 1: over a scoop of ice. Yeah. Yeah, the dude that
Speaker 1: cut in front of them. The ice machine just opened up.
Speaker 1: Dude cut in front of him. By the time the
Speaker 1: guy got the scooper, the guy was putting on his
Speaker 1: lid and the dude just almost it almost like ripped
Speaker 1: his scalp off. He had hit him so hard. And
Speaker 1: they're just blood everywhere inside the ice machine. Shut down
Speaker 1: the ice machine for like six days. The other races
Speaker 1: were mad at the I was just went on and on.
Speaker 1: And ice is a commodity in prison sometimes. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: father so hard to put that man. I gotta keep
Speaker 1: it cold. We'll come get some ice from todown. I
Speaker 1: got five jugs. If you need a jug, it's three bucks.
Speaker 1: What's it just happened? Bro? Everywhere we go ship our
Speaker 1: first weekend there we were selling K two our first
Speaker 1: weekend there. Yeah, at the time, that was that fake
Speaker 1: weed ship. Remember that stuff was in their pants, not
Speaker 1: acting crazy. Man, I was getting that motherfucking tuna fish.
Speaker 1: Will you bring me that three fifty tuna fish over
Speaker 1: here today? I had more tuna fishing stamps than anybody
Speaker 1: in the motherfucker I was there. I mean my smoking accessories.
Speaker 1: Why everywhere I go, Well, I don't you understand. So
Speaker 1: if I gotta pay a little bit extra some good
Speaker 1: weed to come in, I'll pay a couple extra bucks.
Speaker 1: But I'm a hustle to get it. I just come
Speaker 1: accustomed to a lifestyle that I've grown accustomed to, and
Speaker 1: I want to maintain that. Man, You've been doing that
Speaker 1: baby for life. You've been maintaining it for a long time.
Speaker 1: I appreciate, appreciate Cross, thank you, thank you, likewise man,
Speaker 1: and you're always gonna hustling. Man, you cannot that that
Speaker 1: that ship do not get you down where you always
Speaker 1: got a way to get you some money, your motherucker,
Speaker 1: Tod Dow. I appreciate you coming out no more tops.
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