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Speaker 1: Lance Storm is joining us here as well.
Speaker 8: Hello Lance, How you doing?
Speaker 2: Brian?
Speaker 9: Hello?
Speaker 7: Mike?
Speaker 8: Hi, Brian?
Speaker 1: Okay, I ever him to be quiet now for a second.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, very quickly, I gotta make a
Speaker 1: couple of in house notes. All right, First off, we
Speaker 1: do have some changes with the website that I want
Speaker 1: to tell people about because some of you like, today's
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Speaker 1: mention in a second, but so he had a seven
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Speaker 1: as of today, seven ninety nine is gonna be gone.
Speaker 1: We're trying to simplify everything. There is going to be
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Speaker 1: Like everything, we're trying to simplify video main site audio.
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Speaker 1: much at any time. I have been putting all the
Speaker 1: shows on Apple Podcasts, getting them all ready. The full
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Speaker 1: to be the option for you. And yes, we are
Speaker 1: working on Spotify, but listen, I'm not the tech guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know when, I don't know how, I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about it. I've just been told that's gonna
Speaker 1: be next. We're gonna work on that next. After Apple Podcasts.
Speaker 1: That's it's also nine ninety nine, and yes, that includes
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Speaker 1: don't even know how, and I think we were considering
Speaker 1: doing something or whatever, but anyway, we never announced it
Speaker 1: or anything, but somehow people found it and they've all
Speaker 1: signed up. I don't want to say all, but like
Speaker 1: they just decided they wanted to pay fourteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: so I think we're gonna get rid of that one.
Speaker 1: So if you're on fourteen ninety nine, you'll get five
Speaker 1: dollars off to the nine ninety nine. I got me
Speaker 1: thinking maybe we should have like one hundred dollars tier,
Speaker 1: like if you really like it, just sign up for
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Speaker 1: be the three options main site fourteen ninety nine. If
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Speaker 1: it's nine ninety nine. It'll be simple, we'll be sending
Speaker 1: out an email, we're gonna be doing things to to
Speaker 1: do all of that. And apparently I've been told Apple
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Speaker 1: want to pay nine ninety nine, if you're not a
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Speaker 1: and Lance would know about this. I was on Twitter
Speaker 1: the other day and I was like, what am I doing?
Speaker 1: What am I doing? This place sucks, It's a cesspool,
Speaker 1: like it's horrible, And I have made the decision that
Speaker 1: I am not completely done with Twitter. If you want
Speaker 1: to go to my Twitter at Brian Alvarez, my ex,
Speaker 1: I will repost things from at one FW, the main site.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm doing on there. If you want anything
Speaker 1: else with me, you're gonna have to subscribe. Now, if
Speaker 1: you're hearing this and thinking why would ever do that,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You don't have to you don't ever
Speaker 1: have to do this. But if you want my tweets,
Speaker 1: my whatever, I'm gonna be putting all of the ratings,
Speaker 1: the ratings notes up. I put up a ton of
Speaker 1: news over the last couple of days, and honestly, most importantly,
Speaker 1: and one of the main reasons I'm doing this is
Speaker 1: because I used to like to actually respond to people
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Oh you have a question, here's the answer.
Speaker 1: Oh you want to know about this? You want to
Speaker 1: do a Q and a whatever. I can't do that.
Speaker 1: On normal Twitter, because I post anything and there's eighty
Speaker 1: five thousand morons, bots, whatever, it's like impossible to sift through.
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Speaker 1: If I post a ratio, go hey, why do you
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Speaker 1: YouTube question.
Speaker 8: Yes, is there going to be pictures of shoot bonk houses?
Speaker 1: I'll do all my pictures will go up there. I'll
Speaker 1: do videos here and there like all of that. It's
Speaker 1: like that's my Twitter now. And if you don't want
Speaker 1: to subscribe, guess what, I probably don't want you on
Speaker 1: there anyway, so get out of here. But for the
Speaker 1: rest of you, like want to have a go oh
Speaker 1: my god, that's part of it too. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: Vinny tried to do a live show the other day
Speaker 1: Talking Talking TNA and he couldn't figure out how to
Speaker 1: get it members only, so he had to go free
Speaker 1: and like he was like, I'm never doing this again.
Speaker 1: This free chat is just a disaster. And it's true.
Speaker 1: It's sad. But here's the fact, everybody, I don't care
Speaker 1: if you subscribe to anything, but I am no longer
Speaker 1: doing anything on the internet for free because everything free
Speaker 1: on the internet sucks. The free YouTube, chat sucks, free
Speaker 1: forum suck, free Twitter, it all sucks. So if I
Speaker 1: have to charge four ninety nine to weed out all
Speaker 1: the idiots, I'll do it. If you want to pay,
Speaker 1: If you want to interact and you know, have an
Speaker 1: actual fun time on Twitter slash x with me, then
Speaker 1: it's four ninety nine. If not, don't do it, because again,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to do it, I probably don't
Speaker 1: want to interact with you on Twitter. So anyway, that's it.
Speaker 1: And actually, no, Lenny, most idiots won't pay. I have
Speaker 1: found because I have a lot of subscription options and
Speaker 1: there's almost no idiots on there at this point. It Listen,
Speaker 1: I'd rather have five idiots than fifty thousand idiots or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm at one hundred and seventy thousand idiots. I'd rather
Speaker 1: have like ten non idiots or ten idiots or whatever
Speaker 1: than whatever. So anyway, Hey, Lance, how'd you like that
Speaker 1: Calgary Dynamite?
Speaker 7: It was a good time. I got to see a
Speaker 7: lot of people I hadn't seen in a lot of years.
Speaker 7: You go backstage, Yeah, it was just backstage. I went
Speaker 7: down at around one in the afternoon with Don Kallas
Speaker 7: and Alex Marvez and chatted.
Speaker 1: With Anny Wright, death of WCW.
Speaker 7: Something like that. Yeah, okay, but yeah, So I got
Speaker 7: to see Jerry Lynn. Actually Jerry Morrow of Stamfeed Stampede.
Speaker 1: Jerry was there.
Speaker 7: Yep. Wow, it was really cool. Jeff Jarrett came up
Speaker 7: to say hi to him, and I guess they did
Speaker 7: a Japan tour in the early to mid nineties for
Speaker 7: SWS and Jerry remembered him and they talked about their
Speaker 7: trip to Japan. So it was a really cool day
Speaker 7: seeing a lot of good people. I watched the majority
Speaker 7: of the show from the announcer's room backstage, but got
Speaker 7: to see a lot of people. I met Tony very briefly.
Speaker 7: He's a busy man at TV, but he took thirty
Speaker 7: seconds out of his day and I got to meet him.
Speaker 1: So did he run up and just give you the
Speaker 1: biggest hug ever and mention something from like Smoky Mountain Wrestling.
Speaker 7: No, we didn't even have that much time he was
Speaker 7: literally in a meeting I assume with Creative and he
Speaker 7: literally just stuck his head out of the door real
Speaker 7: quick and said hi and welcome and nice to meet you,
Speaker 7: and he went back to his meeting.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I got a million questions for you. After
Speaker 1: the break, we'll do a full review of Dynamite, and
Speaker 1: I got more tonight on the Brain and Viny Show.
Speaker 1: But back in a moment Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You were listening to wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1: Well, let's ask Lance anything here for a while. I mean,
Speaker 1: I get answers, Lance, but my first question. I know
Speaker 1: you don't like to break k fabe or give any
Speaker 1: scoops or anything like that, but can you at least
Speaker 1: confirm that Old Luther is alive?
Speaker 7: He is alive?
Speaker 1: Okay, This dude took a flip bump off the stage
Speaker 1: through tables like Luther.
Speaker 7: Wow, he doesn't take many bumps, No, he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He'll take a big one he took and it was
Speaker 1: a great bump too. That dude ran and leaped and
Speaker 1: flipped and crashed through those tables. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: look at this guy. That was great.
Speaker 7: It was a heavy angle to close the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So did you watch the actual whole show while
Speaker 1: you were back there or were you just hob nobbin?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 7: I hobnobbed throughout the day, just chatting with people, but
Speaker 7: I missed the first I don't know, twenty minutes or
Speaker 7: so because it starts at six o'clock local, so it
Speaker 7: was sort of a oh crap, it's six twenty the
Speaker 7: show's on. I wouldn't mind seeing it. And that's when
Speaker 7: Don took me to the announcer's room, where they had
Speaker 7: a monitor that was good and some comfortable chairs. So
Speaker 7: I sat there with a few of the guys and
Speaker 7: watched pretty much everything from halfway through the Danielson match
Speaker 7: on until the first match of Collision was over.
Speaker 1: How can you hang out with these creeps und on.
Speaker 7: For thirty years? He just sort of grows on.
Speaker 1: You, I see, like a fungus exactly like.
Speaker 7: A chatted with Jerry Lynn quite a bit, which was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear that. What's his name, QTS Shredded? Is
Speaker 1: that right?
Speaker 7: He was taking photos and it was just like, oh
Speaker 7: my god, he looks amazing. I don't know if he's
Speaker 7: dieting for a competition or what, but he looked like
Speaker 7: a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to talk about the Dynamite Show here
Speaker 1: in a little while we can get some of your thoughts.
Speaker 1: But mentioned a couple of news stories related to it.
Speaker 1: So they announced some big matches coming up, including MJF
Speaker 1: and will Ospray for the international title for free on
Speaker 1: television next week. And obviously you know there are a
Speaker 1: couple of reasons for this. I mean, when they first
Speaker 1: announced it, I mean I just figured, okay, well, mgf's
Speaker 1: beating Ospray. Mgf's gonna go on a heel tear, beat
Speaker 1: Pak and beat a bunch of other people, and then
Speaker 1: will Ospray will challenge him at Wembley and that will
Speaker 1: be will Ospray's big title win at Wembley this year,
Speaker 1: is beating MGF for the international title. So obviously part
Speaker 1: of this is setting up Wembley. But the other part
Speaker 1: is the media rights deal is it's still unsigned, and
Speaker 1: we talked about this last night with Dave. I mean,
Speaker 1: one of the things they're doing is they're trying to
Speaker 1: load this show up as they reach the red zone
Speaker 1: as Tony referred to it as the goal line because
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's such an irony that you know,
Speaker 1: they're in a contract year and they're way down from
Speaker 1: where they were last year at this time, and meanwhile, like,
Speaker 1: however many years ago it was it was like WWE.
Speaker 1: They were having double digit declines, double digit declines, double
Speaker 1: digit declines. The thing was absolutely horrible. And then suddenly
Speaker 1: they ended up in a contract year and like everything
Speaker 1: went up that year, and so they signed this giant
Speaker 1: deal as a result of that. You know, they were
Speaker 1: going to make a giant they were gonna do a
Speaker 1: giant deal anyway. But just the irony that of all
Speaker 1: years for WWU to have a good year, it just
Speaker 1: happened to be contract year, and of all the years
Speaker 1: for aw you'd have a not good year, it also
Speaker 1: happens to be a contract year.
Speaker 8: Especially because Tony Kahn is involved in all of the sports,
Speaker 8: and sports you call that your contract year. You know,
Speaker 8: the guy who you're not sure about re signing for
Speaker 8: all that money ends up having a huge year and
Speaker 8: then you sign them up and then the next year
Speaker 8: they either kind of fall off or they get hurt
Speaker 8: or something like that, and I think that's been the case,
Speaker 8: even though the losses were much bigger the last time around.
Speaker 8: That's kind of been the case with WWE, I think
Speaker 8: a couple of times over the years where they were
Speaker 8: kind of having some you know, down periods, you know,
Speaker 8: some some malaise at times, and then amazingly they always
Speaker 8: end up turning in around enough where they end up
Speaker 8: with massive deals.
Speaker 1: And I think the important thing here is because you know,
Speaker 1: we've got the usual, well, the die hards, you know,
Speaker 1: who cares about ratings or whatever, they're going to get,
Speaker 1: you know what, they are probably going to get a
Speaker 1: good deal. I would expect that they'll probably get like
Speaker 1: one point here's my official prediction, exactly one point four
Speaker 1: times what they're getting now, just under one and a
Speaker 1: half times. That's what I think they're going to do.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: Is that bad? Of course not? Is that good? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know what, it'd be cool to get double,
Speaker 1: be cool to get you know, better than that. If
Speaker 1: they were doing significantly better, they might do better than
Speaker 1: one point four times. And to me, you know it's, yeah,
Speaker 1: one point four is great. That's nothing to complain about.
Speaker 1: That's not a failure. You know, the Internet will say
Speaker 1: it's a failure, but it's not. It's very good, but
Speaker 1: you can always try to do better. That's that's my thoughts.
Speaker 8: The Internet will never know until Tony Kahn actually releases
Speaker 8: any numbers that we can find out about and really
Speaker 8: understand what the business is because the fact of the
Speaker 8: matter is, with it being a private company, we don't
Speaker 8: know what he's put into it. We don't know if
Speaker 8: WBD is a monetary partner and has been a monetary partner,
Speaker 8: what have they put in Never really gonna know, So
Speaker 8: people are gonna look at that number. But the way
Speaker 8: Tony Kahan is talking about it, he's saying, once he
Speaker 8: gets it, everything that he's put into it so far
Speaker 8: will be complete and he'll be whole and things will
Speaker 8: be good for the future. And regardless of where you
Speaker 8: stand on things, whether it BWWEAWTNAMLW anybody. The more money
Speaker 8: that any company can get from a network, that's just
Speaker 8: more money you have. They can filter down and help
Speaker 8: out a lot of people, regardless of what you think
Speaker 8: about what their product is on screen.
Speaker 1: And you know, the other thing too, is that if
Speaker 1: they got the exact same amount of money, if they
Speaker 1: got no increase, like they're already set up for years.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can cut people, you can cut costs.
Speaker 1: I mean, they don't need two hundred and fifty people
Speaker 1: in her contract.
Speaker 8: Or whatever happens to be a billionaire.
Speaker 1: There's well I'm not just that. I'm just saying, as
Speaker 1: a business, you don't need two hundred and fifty people
Speaker 1: or how many under contract. There's a lot of ways
Speaker 1: that you can cut costs. I mean, what they're making now,
Speaker 1: I mean they would be fine for years, getting another
Speaker 1: you know whatever forty percent, that would be awesome. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways to cut costs if need be.
Speaker 1: It's not like if they got the same money they
Speaker 1: would be in dire straits. They might be for a
Speaker 1: little while until they you know, made some changes financially.
Speaker 1: But I think everything is going to be all right
Speaker 1: with aw But things could always be better if perhaps
Speaker 1: they were doing, you know, comparable to WWE in terms
Speaker 1: of like look at an XT. I mean they're up significantly,
Speaker 1: significantly year over year. So Stephanie Bakure, talk about this.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you talked about this yesterday, Mike I did
Speaker 1: so a couple of clarifications on everything. So she did
Speaker 1: grow up a fan of w and she has always
Speaker 1: wanted to be a WWE superstar. So you know, there
Speaker 1: was some reports yesterday, perhaps even from our site, that
Speaker 1: she never seriously considered AW, and I have been told
Speaker 1: that that is actually not true, and that in fact,
Speaker 1: she did consider both sides. And I can tell you
Speaker 1: that from the AAW side, I mean, they thought that
Speaker 1: they had her, and she has had tryouts with WWE before,
Speaker 1: and you know, one of the things is that, especially
Speaker 1: with NXT, you know, the offers that come to start
Speaker 1: an NXT, they're not that big and AW does not
Speaker 1: have an NXT, and so for a lot of people
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well, how much is AW offering me?
Speaker 1: How much is WWE offering me? And I was told
Speaker 1: that AW made a very good deal and to the
Speaker 1: point where they thought, okay, she's she's gonna come here.
Speaker 1: And what happened was obviously WWE changed their offer and
Speaker 1: she made the decision to go there, and that of
Speaker 1: course caused a lot of issues with people that she
Speaker 1: worked for. You know, she had a lot of dates
Speaker 1: that were booked, and you know, once you signed with
Speaker 1: w W and it's kind of funny like you know,
Speaker 1: they was talking about how you know, once you signed,
Speaker 1: like you can't. But in the past, I mean there
Speaker 1: have been people who have finished off their dates elsewhere.
Speaker 1: I mean, you remember that Carl Anderson, I think it
Speaker 1: was Carl Anderson. Remember he signed and like the idea was, well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna go back to New Japan and drop his
Speaker 1: title or whatever, and people were like consistent that ain't
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and as it turned out, they let him
Speaker 1: do it. He went back and he finished off those
Speaker 1: dates and everything. Obviously, I think part of that is,
Speaker 1: you know, WWE at the time was like, we would
Speaker 1: like to work with New Japan. They were trying to
Speaker 1: get in on that deal, but it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: And I think they've they've realized that, you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of these places she's got dates booked for, you know,
Speaker 1: they're partnering with a double and it's just not gonna
Speaker 1: happen with us. So anyway, she is going to WWE,
Speaker 1: and apparently it's like a very very good deal. So
Speaker 1: all the best to her, anybody nothing, all right.
Speaker 8: You're steering this ship.
Speaker 1: Come on, Well that's why I just paused quietly to
Speaker 1: say nothing else. Hey, Lance, What do you think about
Speaker 1: Jericho doing CML all ninty first anniversary show gets Mystico.
Speaker 1: I think about that, right.
Speaker 7: He seems to do a lot of things that are unique,
Speaker 7: and I think he's really enjoying it. Actually, I talked
Speaker 7: to him about his cameo and Vietnam for the the
Speaker 7: Vietnam Vietnamese Pro Wrestling Group, and I'm just like, oh, random.
Speaker 7: Jericho likes to keep his feet in as many ponds
Speaker 7: as he can, and hey, Mexico is a big break
Speaker 7: for him, so getting to go back is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So that'll be the ninety first Anniversary show September thirteenth
Speaker 1: for CMLL, and he's facing Mystico, which is a big match.
Speaker 1: That's a big match. It's a match that could have
Speaker 1: sold out the building on any given Friday, and they're
Speaker 1: just adding it to the anniversary show. So that's a
Speaker 1: big one there. Simoe, Joe's out of action. He's going
Speaker 1: back to film. It's the name of this show, Twisted
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Speaker 1: been told is the best character in the entire series.
Speaker 1: But they beat him up and laid him out and
Speaker 1: he's out for a while, so we'll talk about dynamite
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Speaker 7: Joe Hendry seems to be a draw. The two times
Speaker 7: he's been on were big.
Speaker 1: There might be Joe Henry. I think it's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff. Obviously he's two for two. I mean we
Speaker 1: had follow up, like, what's trick gonna do? He lost
Speaker 1: the title? Did they put the title on ethan page?
Speaker 1: They teased throughout the show. The funniest thing was like
Speaker 1: they kept begging the fans to say Joe Henry's name,
Speaker 1: but they just would not do it. So he finally
Speaker 1: just showed up.
Speaker 8: Anyway, I have the quarter hours come out? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 8: from the time that they announced that Javon Evans was
Speaker 8: her and was going to be out, what did the
Speaker 8: number do?
Speaker 1: Oh this again?
Speaker 8: Yes, you look, because you look, if it goes down,
Speaker 8: you can say damn it. See they said it, and
Speaker 8: people thought he was going to be in the main event,
Speaker 8: and they all tuned out. Where is Joe Henry a
Speaker 8: bigger star than Javon Evans.
Speaker 1: Well, uh, the highest quarter was the opening quarter, which
Speaker 1: did seven thirty five, and that was setting up the
Speaker 1: main event, and then it dropped to six sixty four,
Speaker 1: rose to almost seven hundred again, and I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that's where uh he got beaten up and then it
Speaker 1: did fall to six thirty four. But I'm listen, I'm
Speaker 1: not blaming it. Here's the thing, everybody, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that the last few weeks was all because of Javon Evans.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that the declines over the last
Speaker 1: several weeks was partly because You've got people really thinking
Speaker 1: that this Javon Evans was getting a push, and then
Speaker 1: you yanked out the rug over and over and set
Speaker 1: up a four way that people didn't want to see.
Speaker 1: And that's it. Now the four way is over. We've
Speaker 1: got a new champion, tricks the challenger, and people tuned
Speaker 1: in to see this match.
Speaker 8: I wish Lance would. I don't know if you're tuned
Speaker 8: into this or not, but the guy is getting a push.
Speaker 8: You just wanted him sling shot brother.
Speaker 1: He got beat up and taken out of the tag match.
Speaker 1: You literally said, if this guy gets beat up on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: I'll be on the same page as you and he did,
Speaker 1: and you're still back on it again.
Speaker 8: If he gets beaten or pinned, which he did not.
Speaker 8: He was to set up Joe Henry.
Speaker 1: He got beaten and taken out of the main event.
Speaker 7: I think Brian's point, even if he doesn't articulate it
Speaker 7: as well as I think he should, is that, yes,
Speaker 7: Javon will be fine, but there is the opportunity, and
Speaker 7: you only get at once to really strap a rocket
Speaker 7: to somebody and make people think, holy crap, this is
Speaker 7: a new young sensation. Thank you, he's a big deal.
Speaker 7: And if you turn around on that kneecampliment that wait
Speaker 7: and hold off till later, he can still become a star.
Speaker 7: But there is that brand new breakout, you know, holy crap,
Speaker 7: this guy's a sensational, a phenom whatever. There is the
Speaker 7: possibility to really catch someone on fire if they have
Speaker 7: something special, which I think a lot of people agree
Speaker 7: Javon does. And the longer you take to light that fuse,
Speaker 7: I think the spark is a little less bright.
Speaker 8: I don't know. I think the fuse is lit, and
Speaker 8: I think they're able to rely on the reaction that
Speaker 8: he gets and that you know, does help matters because
Speaker 8: for the time being he has been unsinkable. Now they
Speaker 8: may take that away, but he to me is as
Speaker 8: much as you can be as a made man there
Speaker 8: right now. Because they had people go up to the
Speaker 8: main roster, they have new people coming in, they had
Speaker 8: a shuffle going on that maybe they didn't manage it
Speaker 8: as well. Maybe they were expecting obviously no Amdar's injury
Speaker 8: things like that kind of hurt things. But I don't know.
Speaker 8: I still think I think what's happening with well, I'm
Speaker 8: more worried about brown Breaker on the main roster than
Speaker 8: I am Jamon Evans's position within NXT, just because there's
Speaker 8: somebody who I think you could have, you know, done
Speaker 8: a run with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're both the exact same thing. Like I agree
Speaker 1: as well that they drop the ball by having Sammy
Speaker 1: beat this guy and then they go out of their
Speaker 1: way to try to give him his heat back. It's
Speaker 1: like it would have been easier to just have him
Speaker 1: win and then you don't have to give him his
Speaker 1: heat back because he's probably winning the next time around,
Speaker 1: and they wanted to make sure that we give Sammy
Speaker 1: something before we beat him.
Speaker 7: And I'm curious how big of a star a guy
Speaker 7: like Javon Evans could be if he was afforded the
Speaker 7: protection that they give the monsters. Exactly, those guys that
Speaker 7: you know don't sell much, never get beat, are presented
Speaker 7: as these indestructible, big guys and they, you know, in
Speaker 7: the past more so than now, they protect these guys
Speaker 7: as they're unbeatable. It's like, you know, you could do
Speaker 7: that with a smaller guy that's got something and see
Speaker 7: where it gets gets you.
Speaker 8: Well, you could also do with more than one guy
Speaker 8: at the same time, because they are doing that right
Speaker 8: now with Obafemi. He is that guy, so you know
Speaker 8: there is that as well too, where you know they're
Speaker 8: making him stand out so much because now he seems
Speaker 8: to be oblivious to everyone and everything.
Speaker 1: So it opens up with will Osprey coming down. MJF
Speaker 1: interrupts and they set up MJF Ospray next week on
Speaker 1: TV free for the international title, and all my booking
Speaker 1: is is uh is set up to me through Wembley
Speaker 1: and even further on because my presumption when the show
Speaker 1: is over, is MGF is beating Ospray winning the international title,
Speaker 1: beating Pak retaining the international title. Osprey gets his rematch
Speaker 1: at Wembley. Aubrey gets his big win in front of
Speaker 1: forty thousand people over MJF. Everybody is happy. So that's
Speaker 1: my booking there. And then the next match was Danielson
Speaker 1: and Hangman and I can talk a lot about this tonight.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people were upset with the finish.
Speaker 1: I can understand because, in fact, for those of you
Speaker 1: that don't recall, I very much argued against bringing Hangman
Speaker 1: back for the owen Hart Cup. There's a reason that
Speaker 1: I said, this is a bad idea. You're bringing him back.
Speaker 1: People are going to want to see him versus swerve.
Speaker 1: You're bringing him back to immediately lose after all that time.
Speaker 1: And you know, Brian Danielson we've talked about before. For
Speaker 1: whatever reason, Dave says it was for a swerve. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Danielsen did all these interviews saying I don't
Speaker 1: want to be the world champion while he is in
Speaker 1: a match where the winner gets a shot at the
Speaker 1: world title, and here we are. My presumption is that
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson beat Swerve in Wembley and then they go
Speaker 1: on to wrestle Dream in Tacoma, a hometown Hero versus
Speaker 1: Hometown Hero match, and Swerve wins the title back there.
Speaker 1: That's my presumption for where this is going. How Hangman
Speaker 1: plays into this in the future. Who knows, but the
Speaker 1: Hangman is out. This match was awesome, by the way,
Speaker 1: fabulous match.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was a great match. I do not like
Speaker 7: your thought of having both champions lose a quick one
Speaker 7: just to get it back. I think I would have
Speaker 7: Swerve win at Wembley and keep Swerve strong. Danielson is
Speaker 7: teflon and he is at the level he is at
Speaker 7: and will be at that level probably for the rest
Speaker 7: of his life. I would I'd give it to Swerve personally.
Speaker 8: Lance, did Brian ask you if it was okay to
Speaker 8: use the rolling single a crab?
Speaker 7: He didn't, but he commented as soon as he saw
Speaker 7: me in the building and knew he was going to
Speaker 7: do it.
Speaker 1: That night, we had the Samojoe Jericho Calgary street fight,
Speaker 1: which spilled into the back the entire learning. He attacked Joe,
Speaker 1: they choke slammed him onto a palette on a fork
Speaker 1: lift and Jericho drove it through the side of the
Speaker 1: building injury angle to put Jericho out of action for
Speaker 1: a while. They already put Hook out of action, so
Speaker 1: they're going on a tear Joe out of action. They're
Speaker 1: going on it. Well, he put Hook out of action too.
Speaker 1: Last week Jericho put Hook. It doesn't matter. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get a big six man or.
Speaker 8: At some point Will put himself out of action.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm sure he has some point. Lance
Speaker 1: was there Actually it was a shooting star press and
Speaker 1: smoking out wrestling. He put himself out of action.
Speaker 7: No, he didn't.
Speaker 8: He work that night.
Speaker 7: Well, then he had to be out of action, right,
Speaker 7: He was out for like a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: He put himself out of action. And yes, he broke
Speaker 1: the walls down yesterday. Then we had a four way
Speaker 1: for a international title shot. Pak is she Kyle Fletcher
Speaker 1: and Claudio and Pac won. There seems to be massive
Speaker 1: confusion the story is it p gets a future international
Speaker 1: title shot. He said that he wants it at Wembley.
Speaker 1: It is not specific for Wembley. I do not think
Speaker 1: they're doing a multi person match. I think it's Will
Speaker 1: Ospray versus MGF in a single and however this works
Speaker 1: out for Pack and I mean, he can get any
Speaker 1: match on Wembley, doesn't have to be for the International title.
Speaker 1: But I believe that that international title match is going
Speaker 1: to come prior to Wembley, and MGF will beat him.
Speaker 1: That is my thought. The announcement that Swerve is going
Speaker 1: to be in Blood and Guts, which led to a
Speaker 1: hangman wanting to be in Blood Guts because he's obsessed
Speaker 1: with exactly one thing, which is taking out Swerve. We
Speaker 1: had a great simple It was so simple. Mercedes comes
Speaker 1: out for a victory toast. She is a total heel.
Speaker 1: She is miles light years better as a heel.
Speaker 8: Hallelujah.
Speaker 1: Outcomes brit The place goes crazy. She starts beating up
Speaker 1: security and she heads down to the ring and Mercedes
Speaker 1: in her I thought this was her greatest moment, maybe
Speaker 1: in her career. The way she fled from the ring
Speaker 1: was so frickin funny. I was dying. It was the
Speaker 1: greatest heel run in high heels. Oh she got her
Speaker 1: and Brit gets in the ring and like the place
Speaker 1: is going nuts, and that's all they did. And the
Speaker 1: match felt so big I thought this segment was great.
Speaker 1: They didn't need any more than they did.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when Mercedes Hit claimed to be the best there is,
Speaker 7: was and ever will be, that pretty much cemented her
Speaker 7: as the biggest heel in the world. In Calgary and
Speaker 7: speaking of shredded Britt looks like a billion dollars and
Speaker 7: crowds into her. So yeah, this match feels huge and
Speaker 7: that's all they needed.
Speaker 8: It's got a twelve pack, like a legit twelve pack,
Speaker 8: I believe now with her.
Speaker 1: Abs, I'm not even sure you have twelve, but she does.
Speaker 2: She does.
Speaker 1: Then we had Mariah and Willow and the Women's Own
Speaker 1: Cup final. I thought it was a good match. I
Speaker 1: thought the finish was great. They did the victory role
Speaker 1: finish that Owen used to pin Brett a WrestleMania ten.
Speaker 1: She wins the tournament and then like they just skip
Speaker 1: up the ramp together and she grabs that belt and
Speaker 1: clabbers Tony. There was no argument, there was no nothing.
Speaker 1: She got her shot and so she took out Tony
Speaker 1: and Tony bleeds. Luther gets murdered, thrown off the ramp.
Speaker 1: Tony shoves down Aubrey, I'm sorry, Mariah shoves down Aubrey
Speaker 1: and then she kisses Tony and rubs Tony's blood all
Speaker 1: over her face. Great, great angle, and you know it's funny.
Speaker 1: It's like people had so much fantasy booking for Wembley,
Speaker 1: and like all of their fantasy booking involving the men,
Speaker 1: they aren't getting those matches yet. Like the two hottest
Speaker 1: matches right now on Wembley both involve the women, Mercedes
Speaker 1: and Britt and Mariah May and Tony feel like two
Speaker 1: of the hottest rivalries in the entire company, and they
Speaker 1: both appear to be paying off at Wembley. So I
Speaker 1: like this a lot.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this was a real strong, effective angle and it
Speaker 7: was good because I always like it's like, what was
Speaker 7: the impetus of the turn? And you know, there wasn't
Speaker 7: an actual emotional one, but there was the Mariah has
Speaker 7: been with her from the get go, and she now
Speaker 7: has her match against Tony. She no longer needs a friend,
Speaker 7: she needs an opponent to beat, and she turned on Tony,
Speaker 7: And kudos for Tony for boy, she put this angle
Speaker 7: over strong by blading like crazy, and it was a
Speaker 7: hell of a closing shot and a very effective angle.
Speaker 1: I will say that if I had one complaint about
Speaker 1: the show, and it's old school. I would not have
Speaker 1: had Brian Danielson bleeding in the opener.
Speaker 8: I would have.
Speaker 1: Saved all blood for this. This would have been even
Speaker 1: more dramatic if it was the only blood we had
Speaker 1: seen on the entire show. But we did have the uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the opening segment work. Brian actually gigged it twice.
Speaker 1: He was bleeding early and then he took a pile
Speaker 1: driver on the floor and he bled again from a
Speaker 1: different point in his head. And you know, Brian Danielson
Speaker 1: sells great. It would have It would have been just
Speaker 1: as good a match without the blood, and you could
Speaker 1: have saved it for this segment here to have it
Speaker 1: have even more impact.
Speaker 7: But was Hangman bleeding? I think he might have hardwight
Speaker 7: or maybe it was just I think.
Speaker 1: It was all about Danielson's blood on him, But it
Speaker 1: was also a lot up here in his hair, so
Speaker 1: he could have he could have got a hard way.
Speaker 7: But yeah, they worked hard.
Speaker 1: Back in the month with more Observer Live.
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Speaker 1: How many students do you have last night there, Lance.
Speaker 7: I think four or five of them. Wow, I know
Speaker 7: at least one worked on Collision. I saw him in
Speaker 7: the ring before I left. I didn't stay for the
Speaker 7: entire show because they're fairly long and I'm old. But yeah,
Speaker 7: Brady again, he went through my school and he got
Speaker 7: super kicked by Britt And I know at least one
Speaker 7: that wrestled on Collision, So and I was two others
Speaker 7: there for sure, and I think they might have been another.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you ever miss your school?
Speaker 7: I don't really like. I enjoyed it, but being a
Speaker 7: producer at TNA fulfills my wrestling needs. I enjoy the
Speaker 7: creative process. I get to work with talent regularly, so
Speaker 7: I'm I'm happy in TNA and I don't desire going
Speaker 7: back to a school.
Speaker 8: Hey wait, it's Thursday. Come on on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get some plugs in brother.
Speaker 7: TNA Impact the Night at eight o'clock Access TV in
Speaker 7: the US Fight Network in Canada, and it also airs
Speaker 7: live or in the same time slot on TNA Plus
Speaker 7: if you're a subscriber to that, So check it out.
Speaker 7: There's some big matches tonight.
Speaker 1: All right, well, Lance, I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: doing the show here today. Lance is up with a
Speaker 1: figure four daily most every week, although during the summer
Speaker 1: who knows how it's gonna end up. And I will
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. You know what that means. Mike Fun Friday,
Speaker 1: Oh man, oh man, It's gonna be awesome. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take some calls and some text messages and talk all
Speaker 1: the news. Always a good time on Fun Friday. You're
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