1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,200 Speaker 1: Before we get started. 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 2: This episode contains talk of sexual abuse and sexual assault. 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: Please take care while listening. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 3: What was so demoralizing was feeling that I had no agency, 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 3: I had no power, and if it can happen to me, 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 3: it can happen to anybody else. 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: Free Sunshine Smith is a local meteorologist in Nashville, Tennessee. 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 2: She's been in the business for fifteen years, first in 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: Saint Louis, then Nashville, bringing the daily weather to her 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 2: town and becoming someone her community can count on. 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: Having been a meteorologist here for nine years, I have 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: a really good reputation with the community, and I have 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: a lot of trust in this community. 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: Bree's an active member of the community too. 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 2: Her kids go to school there, she's in parent organizations, 16 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: and she's on the board of several nonprofits. She goes 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: to the local events, and she's developed this trusted reputation 18 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: for quite literally being the calm in the storm. But 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: then in October twenty twenty, something happened to shake that foundation. 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: It all started when of you were reached out to 21 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: Bree and said he'd been getting direct messages from an 22 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: account that claimed to be her. 23 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 3: So I wrote him back and I said, nope, not me. 24 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: I never direct messaged you. Please report and block it. 25 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: I'm sorry that happened to you. And then he wrote 26 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: me again, like the next day, he said, well, I 27 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: assume it was your husband because they had pictures that 28 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 3: I only your husband would have And I said, nope, 29 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 3: not me. Again, report and block, and then he wrote 30 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: me back again and full disclosure. His emails were getting 31 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 3: a little weirder with time, Like when he wrote me 32 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 3: the third time, he was like, I was so excited 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 3: because I've always had a crush on you. But he 34 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 3: went ahead and wrote me for the third or fourth 35 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: time and said, I grabbed screen grabs of my conversation 36 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: with the impostor and I wanted you to see them. 37 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: And in those screen grabs he had been chatting with 38 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: this imposter via Signal. 39 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: Signal is an encrypted messaging app focused on privacy and security. 40 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: In those screen grabs were two images where my face 41 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 3: had been placed on someone else's semi nude body. And 42 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 3: there was one deep fake video that was a video 43 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 3: I had shot at work that someone manipulated to making 44 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 3: it look like I was saying, no, it's me, it's 45 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 3: really bree. You can believe it. It's me, Yes, dear, 46 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 3: it is me. 47 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: It is really me. 48 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: I hope this video proved to you it is the 49 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: smith you are chatting to. And also I will appreciate 50 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 3: if things are kept within us. So it was like 51 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: a proof of identity video with these two pictures, and 52 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: it was just awful when I saw it. I mean, 53 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: just you can give them the weather lady never in 54 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 3: a million years. So I went to my employer. At 55 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: that point, I brought it to leadership's attention and I 56 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: was like, look, I don't know what to do, Like 57 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: this has crossed a line. This is not just a 58 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 3: spam account. Something something awful is happening, and they said 59 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: it's not illegal, there's nothing we can do. Since then, 60 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: there have been dozens, if not hundreds of additional imposter 61 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: accounts that have come up, I mean ten in the 62 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 3: last seven days. 63 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: Someone pretending to be bre online is creating fake social 64 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: media accounts and targeting people who comment on her real 65 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: social media posts. They're finding people who trust and even 66 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: admire Breed from her time on the news and chatting 67 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: with friends and fans. The impostor gets people to download 68 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: another app where they manipulate that trust and try to 69 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: convince people to send them money in exchange for things 70 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: like fanclub perks and sometimes for something more. 71 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: The one in October, the gentleman or the viewer said, 72 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: you know, they were promising sexual favors and asked me 73 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 3: to forward money for the comrade. 74 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: Hotel breed, like so many of the victims that we 75 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: talked to, tries to investigate her own abuse. She tries 76 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: to track down the many impostor breeds, but what she 77 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: finds is that it's impossible to keep up with. 78 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: There's so many. But at least when I could catch them, 79 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: I could report and block the page. When these imposters 80 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: start direct messaging people saying, hey, it's Bree, I need 81 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: your help. Can you come chat with me over on 82 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: this private app, I can't intercept that. I'm just a 83 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: meteorologist trying to be my own kind of investigative journalist here. 84 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 3: Just this last weekend, someone on TikTok told me that 85 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: there was a fake TikTok account and that TikTok account 86 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 3: asked them to chat on Google Chat. There's just so 87 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: many layers to how nefarious this is. Like the gentleman 88 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: on TikTok, said that the message that came to him 89 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: from the fake account was like, Hey, I don't know 90 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: who to go to. My husband and I just separated. 91 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: I really need some help, like domestically, I don't feel safe. 92 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 3: And so then you get these people in the community. 93 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: They're like, oh my god, Bree, what do you need? 94 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 3: And so they, you know, the introt the first ask 95 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: is a can you help me? I need help? And 96 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: because this community knows me and. 97 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: Trusts me, they're like, yeah, we'll help you, Bree. 98 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,679 Speaker 3: What do you need? So it's really. 99 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: Dastardly Rhe's identity is stolen from her and weaponized against her. 100 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: The extortionists are preying on the trust and reputation that 101 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: she's built, and they're using sexually explicit y figs for 102 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 2: a financial gain, and the reality of the situation takes 103 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 2: a toll on her. 104 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: For the first couple months after this happened, like I 105 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 3: was I was unwell, I was emotionally like just it 106 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: was so the paranoia and like anytime I did anything online, 107 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: I was like, is this going to be distorted? Like 108 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 3: disgusting form of identity theft? I mean, that's really what 109 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: it is. It's stealing someone's identity. It's stealing their good name, 110 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 3: it's distorting it and making it into something really vile 111 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 3: and really vulnerable. And then it's attacking the very community 112 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 3: that I that I've tried to protect for nine years. 113 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: I mean, going through my own personal humiliation, being scared 114 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: that my kids might see it. You know, my kids 115 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 3: don't have funs, but their friends at school do. Like 116 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 3: what if they were at school someday and someone's like, oh, 117 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 3: look at your mom, and it's like, my god, I 118 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: don't want my kids to be traumatized by that, or 119 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: if someone would target my kids because they're my kids. 120 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 3: My guiding principle through that whole first three or four months, 121 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 3: which were really dark, I would just tell myself over 122 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 3: and over again, remember this so you can help somebody else. Hey, 123 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 3: remember this so you can help somebody else. 124 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: Talking debris. 125 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: This is the spread of sexually explicit deep fakes in 126 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: real time. This type of abuse isn't limited to sites 127 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: like mister deep Fakes. It's infiltrated mainstream social media and 128 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: platforms across the Internet, praying on people's desires, and it 129 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: won't stop. It'll keep taking down unsuspecting people, threatening trusted 130 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 2: relationships and destabilizing communities. 131 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 3: What was so demoralizing was feeling that I had no agency, 132 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 3: I had no power, There were no tangible physical steps 133 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: I could do. It just was very isolating and just 134 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: caused my mental health to go into such a deep 135 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: dark place. And if it can happen to me, it 136 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:17,559 Speaker 3: can happen to anybody else. 137 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: I'm Laurie Siegel and this is Mostly Human, a tech 138 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: podcast through a human lens. You're listening to part three 139 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: of our four part series searching for Mister deep Fakes. 140 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: So breaking news, mister deep Fakes is down. I know, 141 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: plot twist. I'm talking to Roxy Hunt. 142 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: She's a part of my team helping to find the 143 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: anonymous man behind mister Deep Fakes, the world's largest deep 144 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: fake pornography site. We'd gotten a tip from someone in 145 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: the Netherlands who said that he believed a Canadian man 146 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: named David Doe is mister deep Fakes. Me and my 147 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: team spent three days traveling across the Toronto, Ontario area 148 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: searching for David Doe. We spoke to a lot of 149 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: people who knew him, and we gathered a ton of 150 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: clues while we were out there. It just felt like 151 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: we were so close, but we had yet to get 152 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: to him in the real world. 153 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: Is it working for you? 154 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: No, it's like it won't even like pretend to load. 155 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Same. 156 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: And now the mister d fake site is down. 157 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: What do you think? Why do you think it's down? 158 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: I mean, like the timing is suspicious, right. We go 159 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: out there, we try to track him down, we talk 160 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: to his family, we start closing in on his friends. 161 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: A day later, the site is down. 162 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: Maybe he thinks if he shuts it down for a minute, 163 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: we're going to stop looking. 164 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: We shouldn't stop, you know. 165 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, great, I'm happy it's down 166 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: at least temporarily, but like, yeah, I still believe that 167 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: there needs to be some accountability, you know. 168 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: I mean we made an impact on him in some way. 169 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 4: And sure enough, about twenty hours after it went down, 170 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 4: it came back up. 171 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: This wasn't the first time this has happened. We noticed 172 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: a pattern. The site would go down for a day 173 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: or so, but then it would come back up and 174 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: it would be even more secure than it was before. 175 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 2: It wasn't like all of a sudden, mister deep Fakes 176 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: realized that the site was doing wrong. 177 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: Actually it was the opposite. 178 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: The site blackouts were likely maintenance periods to switch servers 179 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: or to protect the contents in the community. Here's my producer, 180 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: Nicole Bouchet. 181 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 4: Again, they kind of moved all of the bad stuff 182 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 4: behind registration and also disabled registration. So like everything in 183 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 4: the forums that was talking about tutorials, guides, the deep 184 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 4: fake face sets, the majority of that now were put 185 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 4: kind of behind, like you had the log in, and 186 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 4: they actually then closed log in. 187 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: And I think that was like eye opening to me, 188 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: like no, no, no, the threat of exposure isn't making 189 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 2: you not want to do this. It's making you want 190 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: to build up a fortress so you can continue to 191 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: do this and get away with it. 192 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 4: It definitely felt related to the fact that journalists were 193 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 4: reaching out and asking questions. I don't think it was 194 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 4: a coincidence that we had gone out there and three 195 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 4: days later the site was shut down, even temporarily. 196 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: So the site might have fortified itself, but so did we. 197 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 4: You know, it had been five days from between when 198 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 4: we got the tip and we went out there, so 199 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 4: now we were really like, okay, let's settle in, let's 200 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 4: dig deep on both the real world information we have 201 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 4: and these online clues to try to build a better 202 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 4: sense of who mister deep Fakes is and also get 203 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 4: closer to the real person. 204 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, how's it going good? 205 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: How are you? 206 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 2: I know it seems like very cryptic, so I appreciate 207 00:10:54,240 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: you calling me back. I made my way through a 208 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: list of contacts and Nicole and I had compiled people 209 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: from all different parts of David Doe's life, and in 210 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: one email I got confirmation, Holy shit, Hi, okay, I 211 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: just have to tell you really quick. Their parents because 212 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: tell me. I immediately got a response, thank you for 213 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: your email. I'm away on parental leave, please reach out, 214 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: and then gave me two names. 215 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: So there we go. 216 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: When I saw the car seat in the back of 217 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: the red Mitsubishi in the driveway of David Doe's childhood home, 218 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: it had all just been speculation, but now we had 219 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 2: a definitive answer. 220 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: Mister deep Fakes is a dad. 221 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: And I have to say this was a complicated revelation 222 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: for our team for so many personal reasons. My husband 223 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: and I wanted to start a family, and roxy our 224 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: producer was about to have a baby. 225 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 5: I was pretty far along in my pregnancy. I was 226 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 5: about to be sending out of office responses saying I'm 227 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 5: on parental leave. To to think about the mindset that 228 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 5: they him and his wife would be in at that 229 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 5: moment is insane. They're they're dealing with a newborn. They're 230 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 5: not sleeping, They're going through it all. They're bringing a 231 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 5: new person into the world. 232 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, David Doe's website was violating people every day. 233 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: It was hard to negotiate. 234 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: The main objective of this research period was tracking David 235 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: Doe down. 236 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: We wanted to try to find him in the real world. 237 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 2: One of the biggest leads from our search was his 238 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: name on the Official Registry of Pharmacists, which listed him 239 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: as working at a hospital in Markham. So he might 240 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: work in this Toronto suburb. But did he live here too? 241 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: And are you and Markham? 242 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 6: I'm just outside of Markham I grew up. 243 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 2: I mean, would you have any idea if they just 244 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 2: if they still live nearby or anything like that. 245 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: I don't know where they live, sorry, but they. 246 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: Are based in like Markham as far as you're, as 247 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: far as you know, and they are kind of out 248 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: and about in Markham. 249 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 4: As far as I know, Like like I said, I 250 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 4: haven't been in contact with them, but I don't know if. 251 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: He's Yeah, but as these conversations went on, I came 252 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: away with something else, a clear picture of who David 253 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: Doe is, or at least how he presents himself in 254 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 2: the real world. I think we saw that you guys 255 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: went to pharmacy school together and maybe connected on like 256 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: a social network or something like that. 257 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: So I do know David. 258 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 3: I'm not personally in contact with him, but I do 259 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 3: like he has friends with some of my friends. 260 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: What's the family like, Oh, just see you know, they. 261 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 6: Were just very respectful people. 262 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 2: She's rated and. 263 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 3: She's very sparky, cares a sort of person. 264 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 4: He's a very kind person, like I would never ever 265 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 4: ever expect anything bad. 266 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, all these phone calls are so important, Like we 267 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 2: are beginning to paint an even fuller picture of the nuance, 268 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: which I think is becoming more and more important because 269 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: we're like, how does someone like this do this online? 270 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 4: You were having these real world conversations on the one 271 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 4: hand that made you go is this really him? On 272 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 4: the other hand, the digital like footprint that I was 273 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 4: digging into, like in this sort of digital underworld that 274 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 4: we now had access to with all of his aliases 275 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 4: and usernames connected to him. It was kind of doing 276 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 4: the opposite. It was making it more and more clear 277 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 4: that this was the person who had created mister deep fakes. 278 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: This deeper level of access we had the online workings 279 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: of David Doe and mister deep fakes. It showed us, 280 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: almost step by step, someone willfully building out the site 281 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 2: that did so much harm. We had known, for example, 282 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: that there was a link between Reddit banning deep fake 283 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: pornography in twenty eighteen and the emergence of mister deep Fakes, 284 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: but now we could see it happening in real time. 285 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: On February third, twenty eighteen, three notable things happen. A 286 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: BBC article reports that Reddit is considering action against the 287 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: deep fake trend because it was non consensual. That very 288 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: same day, the original domain name of mister deep Fakes 289 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: dpfks dot com is registered, and on a site called 290 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: black hat World Forum, a thread emerges around the potential 291 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: Reddit band news. 292 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 6: This is one risky way to get traffic. I see 293 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 6: a new porn method here. I see lots of earning 294 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 6: potential if done right. 295 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: On February seventh, the reddit band goes into effect. A 296 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: few days later, the username connected to David Doe responds 297 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: to that thread. He was advertising his new site. 298 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 6: Anyone working on projects involving this deep fake Niche I 299 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 6: have a streaming platform and forum up and running and 300 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 6: want to grow it with someone. Let me know if 301 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 6: you're interested. 302 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: The same username starts new threads to recruit and attract 303 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 2: people to his site. 304 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 6: Looking for someone to upload short adult video clips to 305 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 6: my site. There may be one hundred clips to be uploaded. 306 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 6: Pa me with a price. Anyone active in the deep 307 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 6: fakes community. It's currently fragmented and I want to rebuild 308 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 6: the community. A project already have a working product, also 309 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 6: looking for content creators. Let me know. Maybe to rebuild 310 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 6: you should explain what it is and get some new 311 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 6: members to join. Someone on Reddit released an app to 312 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 6: face swap anyone. The community started making celebrity fake porn. 313 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 6: Shortly after this was made public, all the related subreddits 314 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 6: were banned. It's basically a program that uses AI to 315 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 6: stitch one face onto another, termed deep fake. You heard 316 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 6: the man, Let's rebuild this community. 317 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: He saw a market opportunity. 318 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: Essentially, It's likely it's like this was growing very popular 319 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: on Reddit, and then all of a sudden, Reddit shuts 320 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: it down because they think that this is wrong. 321 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, we have. 322 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: This username that's associated with David Dough that we know 323 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: because of this dossier that Geordie helped put together. Watching 324 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: this guy not just build it, but talk about creating 325 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 2: community traffic optimization, monetize like monetization, like improving SEO. It 326 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 2: seems as though the David Doe did not view himself 327 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: as just like, oh, I just love porn, this is 328 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 2: a hobby. He looked at himself as a builder who 329 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: was taking advantage of a market opportunity. Add the advances 330 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: in artificial intelligence and what happened in twenty twenty two 331 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: with chat GPT helping make this mainstream, and we are 332 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 2: seeing a wave that nobody realizes like we're already caught 333 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: up in it. 334 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think we'd had our suspicions before, 335 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 4: but I think it's really rare to actually get to 336 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 4: like peel back that current, and that's what we were 337 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 4: able to do with this. And what's interesting is he 338 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 4: does there. He has over five hundred messages on black 339 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 4: hat World that spend much before twenty eighteen, and in 340 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 4: it he's talking about wanting to find a niche, wanting 341 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 4: to find like the site or what thing that he 342 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 4: would build. 343 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 2: Even as we learned more about David Doe, the guy 344 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: that was working in a hospital who was helping people, 345 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: we also learned more about the site. From the beginning, 346 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: it had been created to take advantage of a market 347 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: opportunity aimed at non consensual abuse, to quote bring the 348 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: community back together. After Reddit band the channel, it felt 349 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: like we were looking at two different people, the one 350 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 2: online and the one offline, and that discrepancy just kept widening. 351 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 6: Best way to monetize an adult tube site right now? 352 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 6: I have revshare banner ads. 353 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: Here's brillier, I love play for. 354 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 6: I have a one point five year old site getting 355 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 6: one hundred thousand plus daily. 356 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: So my mom actually was in the hospital there and 357 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 3: he lives in the uniform. 358 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 6: I am in the adult tube niche. I use crypto payments, 359 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 6: stealth paypals, VPNs, offshore, et cetera. And I'm still paranoid. 360 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 4: He's very a very. 361 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 6: Nice person, thought very surprised if he's been anything involved 362 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 6: in anything that could call. 363 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 4: This was all happening over the course of like literally 364 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 4: two or three weeks, and we got to a point 365 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 4: where we did feel like we had enough to try 366 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 4: to go back out there, especially with this like real 367 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 4: world place of the pharmacy. 368 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: The pharmacy Nicole is talking about is inside a hospital 369 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: in Markham, Ontario. In an official registry of pharmacists, David 370 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 2: Doe was listed as working in its inpatient pharmacy. Some 371 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: of the contacts we spoke to also said he at 372 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: least lived in that area at one time. This was 373 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: our best lead to get back to Canada. The day 374 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: we were scheduled to leave, I called the pharmacy to 375 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: see if there was any chance he was working while 376 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 2: we'd be there. Okay, I can, I can track his schedule. 377 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 3: Great, thanks your hello. 378 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: Hey, hello, hi bank in today. 379 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 2: I excited to call. 380 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 3: Okay that he should be on the unit right now 381 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 3: and that should. 382 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: Be the cellphone mond awesome. 383 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: And if I'm not able to get in touch, you know, 384 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: if he's there the next couple of days at all. 385 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: He is here tomorrow, but it's off off Friday. Cool, 386 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 2: all right, thank you so much, really appreciate it. 387 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 3: Cool. 388 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: Thanks. Thanks. 389 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: I think we have to operate under the assumption that like, 390 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: if we get him today, this is the thirty seconds 391 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: we're going to get with him. It's six point thirty 392 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 2: in the morning. We landed in Toronto late last night. 393 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: We're now in a rental car driving to Markham Stouveville Hospital. 394 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 2: It's a Thursday, and we know from calling the day 395 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: before David Doe is working today and he won't be 396 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 2: working tomorrow. 397 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: So this is our only shot. 398 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 2: Hope is to be able to ask him for comment, 399 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: like how do you negotiate having the site that harms 400 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 2: so many women while literally walking into a hospital where 401 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: you help people. The hospital is huge and it has 402 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 2: multiple entrances, but we were actually able to triangulate which 403 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 2: entrance we believed he would go into based off of 404 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: online directories and photos of the parking lots in the hospital. 405 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: When we arrive, the parking lot is essentially empty. So 406 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: we are currently outside of the place we believe where 407 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 2: mister deep Fakes works. 408 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 3: We're on a stakeout. 409 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 2: He will hopefully, I mean hopefully we're in the right 410 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 2: parking lot. He will show up any minute. A lot 411 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: of things have to happen for. 412 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: Us to be able to get to him, so fingers crossed. 413 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 2: We know David Doe's shift starts at eight, and before 414 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: long the parking lot fills. We move the car closer 415 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: to the entrance and Nicole gets out to get another 416 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: vantage point. 417 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: For Okay, we're in the window. 418 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 2: You haven't job shift that starts at eight. 419 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: Chances are you get in? 420 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: I mean realistically, like five minutes before, why would you 421 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 2: get it? So even forty time is sticking by pretty slowly. 422 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 3: I don't know if he's going to go to park here. 423 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: It's parking lost like full now, okay, seven forty five, 424 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: A few minutes before eight, I get out of the car. 425 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 2: I joined Nicole on the sidewalk near the entrance. That's 426 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 2: not him right now, with that guy's glasses. That's not David, 427 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 2: I don't think. And I also like, I just can't 428 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: see anyone from far away, because you be honest, he's 429 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: not him. I'm wearing a microphone to record any conversation 430 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: I might have with David Doe, and we're also filming 431 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 2: with a camera from the car and an iPhone up close. 432 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: This is our plan, and now we just have to wait. 433 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: The seconds are ticking by. 434 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 2: And then. 435 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 3: There he is. 436 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: Dough is walking toward the entrance wearing jeans and a 437 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 2: light sweater. Hey, David, the moment he saw me, I 438 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 2: could tell he knew who I was. 439 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: It's Laura. 440 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 2: I've been trying to get in touch. I just want 441 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: your comment on whether or not he intentionally ducks around 442 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: a truck to avoid me. I try to keep up 443 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 2: all while talking to his back. We have strong evidence 444 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 2: to the point that you're behind mister deep faith. 445 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 3: David. 446 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: We've been trying to get it. My mic breaks up 447 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: as I walk further away from the car and the camera. 448 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: I ask how he negotiates the disconnect. I'm trying to 449 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: someone who's a father, someone who has a son, who's 450 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: a brother, can have a site that perpetuates this type 451 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: of digital abuse. Can I get any comments, David. I'm 452 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:10,479 Speaker 2: just trying to understand why it's real harm. So we 453 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: just saw him, Nicole and I get back in the 454 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 2: car to debrief something about him looking at me where 455 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: he was so just like pissed. 456 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: He wasn't scared. 457 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: He's not scared that he did this thing and it 458 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: you know, went out of control, and you know, and 459 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: it started out this, but it became this that is 460 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 2: not what. 461 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: I got from that. 462 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 2: I thought that maybe finding mister deep Fakes and having 463 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,239 Speaker 2: a conversation with him, maybe I could, like this is 464 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 2: so delusional, I can't believe I'm saying it loud. I 465 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: could explain to him why this thing he was doing 466 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 2: that he didn't believe had real world harm, had real 467 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: world harm. But it's not a conversation he wants to 468 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 2: have me. Actually, quite literally, showing up here is hopefully 469 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: an indicator that this is not going away, that these 470 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 2: things that you've done online that have had real offline impact. 471 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: Like it's not going to go away. 472 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: You don't get to just like take yourself off social 473 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: media and go to work. 474 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 4: Does it in some way like fuel that fight? 475 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: Then I just don't feel fulfilled. 476 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: I've been searching for mister de Fikes for a year, right, 477 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 2: maybe more, and finding him, I have more. 478 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: Questions than answers. 479 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: We waited for eight hours to see if he would 480 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: come back out. It's twelve thirty three if we have 481 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: four four one out four hours, so it's three fifteen 482 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: three pm. Okay, I think his shift is over in 483 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 2: the next forty five minutes, but we are like high 484 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 2: alert in case it comes out. Our team was posted 485 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: near different entry points throughout the day, but ultimately we 486 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: believe he went out another exit. We have two more 487 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: days here and we're not returning to the hospital because 488 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 2: we know he's not working today. Our goal still is 489 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 2: to figure out where he lives and see if there's 490 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 2: any chance he would talk to us in a more 491 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: private setting. And that's exactly how we spend the day, driving, 492 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: ringing doorbells, searching apartment complexes. 493 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: But each door, each knock, is a dead end. 494 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: Roxy and I talk about that moment, like all the 495 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: addresses we have, no one's answering the doors, they're the 496 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 2: wrong places. So then we're in the car after leaving 497 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: there and I just remember being like God, like I 498 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: just cannot believe we can't get his address. And then 499 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 2: Roxy just comes up with what I can only describe 500 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: as the best idea ever. 501 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 5: It was an energy that was like, Okay, anything we 502 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 5: could possibly think of before we have to go back 503 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 5: to New York. And so I think one of the 504 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 5: breakthroughs being the knowledge that he was recently a parent. 505 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 5: That was a clue that I feel like we hadn't 506 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 5: really gone down. So I was pregnant and I had 507 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 5: recently had a baby shower. That's why I wasn't able 508 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 5: to join you on the last trip. And part of 509 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 5: that was thinking, well, maybe they did they have a 510 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 5: baby shower. Is there is there anything there? Is there 511 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 5: an invite? Is there a registry? And then I think 512 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 5: we thought let's go old school. Yes, there might be 513 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 5: an online registry, but that comes from someplace real. Maybe 514 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 5: there's just a physical brick and mortar store where they 515 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 5: may have been registered. I just searched like Google maps 516 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 5: for like baby stores in this area. 517 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 6: That's a long job. 518 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: It's a long shot. 519 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 4: Thank you for calling Kenneda's greatest story at baby store? 520 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 2: Is it possible just to see if you guys have 521 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 2: the registry on file. 522 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: Or the name? 523 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 4: Sure? 524 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 2: Give me one. 525 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 3: What's the name? 526 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: First? We give David Doe's wife's name. No luck. We 527 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: give David Doe's name also, no luck. 528 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 3: Are there any other baby stores? 529 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hold on, let me give you their phone numbers. 530 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: I give the phone number for David Doe's wife. 531 00:27:59,119 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 3: Nothing coming on. 532 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: Okay, let me give you one more if that's okay. 533 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 2: Last resort, I give mister deep Fake's phone number. 534 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, Okay, I. 535 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 4: Guess it's under. 536 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 2: I did one of I think that would be it. Yeah, oh, 537 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: I think I think that's it. The person on the 538 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 2: other end, to confirm that we have the right people, 539 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 2: gives us David Doe's home address. There's nothing on the registering. Great, awesome, Okay, 540 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 2: thank you so much. 541 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I hope you have a great weekend. 542 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 4: Cool. 543 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: Thanks bye. We now have their well address. 544 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: We put the address into maps and find that it's 545 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: only fifteen minutes away. We want to prepare before knocking 546 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: on his door, and it's the end of a long day, 547 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 2: but we figure. 548 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: It can't hurt to drive by. 549 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: That's his house right there. 550 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: That's the house at the end of the one on 551 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: the left. Here's Nicole again. 552 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 4: We planned to go back in the morning with little 553 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 4: prep and thinking about, like, you know, what we would 554 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 4: say in the meantime, I like checked to make sure 555 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 4: it was the address and it was registered to both 556 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 4: David and his wife. 557 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: It was beautiful neighborhood and the idea that like this home. 558 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: As we're kind of looking at it, I'm like, whoa, 559 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: It's like it looks like it we could be in 560 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 2: mister Rogers. So like in like, you know, this home 561 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: is the Truman Show. It felt like the Truman Show. 562 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: That's exactly how it felt. It helped us, I would say, 563 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 2: put together like an important puzzle piece in the whole 564 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: mystery of who is this person in real life and 565 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 2: what life are they living. After a night of preparation, 566 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: we're back in the car. We drive to David Joe's 567 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: address and park a few doors down from his house. 568 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 3: By the way, shades are drawn. 569 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 4: Like, I don't see any obvious candras or anything like. 570 00:29:59,760 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 571 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: I walk up to the house. Every shade is closed. 572 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: You guys, I wait, wow, So you're gonna shade over 573 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 2: the front door. 574 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a shade over the front door too. 575 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: No one answers. 576 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 2: I can't see into the house, but it feels lifeless. 577 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: I tried checking in with the neighbors by good morning 578 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 2: as your quick question. Yeah, do you know if David 579 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 2: don't are here? Believe there, But I don't know today. Okay, 580 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 2: do you know when I'm just trying to get in touch, 581 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: you know when the last time you seldom. 582 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 6: Was maybe. 583 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 4: Definitely last week, maybe Thursday. 584 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: Friday, Thursday or Friday. 585 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Well I feel like they might have gone 586 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: away for the weekend. 587 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 3: I don't know. 588 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: The neighbor was like, yeah, they're usually here. 589 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 5: It's basically like. 590 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: I haven't seen him. We tried knocking on his door 591 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: one more time before heading home to New York. 592 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: No answer, and no one seems to be home. 593 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 2: We would leave the next day, and I just felt 594 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 2: so unbelievably conflicted. Technically, we'd accomplished our mission in coming 595 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: out here, So why did I feel so frustrated. I 596 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 2: have been in tech for fifteen years. I've interviewed people 597 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 2: during hard times. I've asked hard questions. 598 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 7: I've never been looked at with that level of disdain, 599 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 7: like I'm yelling at your back, saying, like the harm 600 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 7: is real, Like you're not going to listen to me today. 601 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 2: You're not going to listen when the laws are made. 602 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: You're not going to listen to women when they speak 603 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 2: out about this. We're all going to be talking to 604 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: your back, right and so like that for me, I 605 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: think was a bit of a switch of being like, Okay, 606 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 2: well you won't listen, so need to go tell every 607 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 2: single person, like every lawmaker, every celebrity, like every every parent, 608 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: like we need people to know that this thing that 609 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 2: you're doing is so wrong and why it's so wrong. 610 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 2: We've got to like utilize all of this to kind 611 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 2: of create a movement around it, because we're just going to. 612 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: Be speaking to us back like now, we've got to 613 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: go big. 614 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 2: It's interesting to look back on this moment because I 615 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: wish I knew then what I know now. 616 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 3: So it's you know, even though it's uncomfortable to talk 617 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 3: about it's happening today. 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