Speaker 1: It is Thursday, February six. This is Jaguars happy out
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Speaker 1: Here's what's kind it up on the program today. Two
Speaker 1: games in London. That's the news This week. Cohn and
Speaker 1: Lamping will hear from the Jaguars owner and the Jaguars
Speaker 1: president front office. Edition will talk a little ball coming up,
Speaker 1: quarterback talk as well, and we'll go around the National
Speaker 1: Football League Let's start off with the big news of
Speaker 1: the week, the Jaguars taking two home games to London
Speaker 1: and consecutive weeks. The weeks and the opponents will be
Speaker 1: named later, but the bears of the Steelers games are
Speaker 1: protected in Jacksonville. Ashland Sullivan this week asked owner shot
Speaker 1: Con why the move when I was announced as the
Speaker 1: owner eight years ago, I think I said that really
Speaker 1: my goal was to keep Jaguars and Jackson well and
Speaker 1: we will have to think unconventionally pretty much, what do
Speaker 1: we have to do to win on the field. That's
Speaker 1: paramount to us, But then we have to win off
Speaker 1: the field, which is UH to be able to generate
Speaker 1: the revenue to invest in the team, UH to help
Speaker 1: but win and play a role uh in really growth
Speaker 1: vitality of Jacksonville. This was right at the announcement when
Speaker 1: they announced this. Nash and Sullivan, the full interview available
Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot Com did a fantastic job. Was very
Speaker 1: well done. It really was, and so check out the
Speaker 1: full conversation there. A little later in the day, the
Speaker 1: shot Con and Mark Lamping had a conference call with
Speaker 1: local media before the announcement. This is actually before the
Speaker 1: announcement came out and Jaguars president Mark Lamping explained why
Speaker 1: now is the right time to add a second game,
Speaker 1: Competing with other teams who have radically changed their revenue
Speaker 1: expectations each year, like the Jaguars, we are entering a
Speaker 1: uncertain time. That uncertain time is related to three teams
Speaker 1: that in the past were teams that were with us
Speaker 1: in the bottom of the league in terms of revenue.
Speaker 1: They have taken step steps that that that we would
Speaker 1: not consider, but they've taken steps to fix their revenue
Speaker 1: by leaving Oakland, by leaving St. Louis, and by leaving
Speaker 1: San Diego that had had that has had an impact
Speaker 1: in terms of all the other teams that are at
Speaker 1: you know where we are in terms of the league
Speaker 1: and in terms of of now. Um, we know that Latch,
Speaker 1: in conjunction with all the things that Shott has already
Speaker 1: invested in, those will continue to pay pay a dividends
Speaker 1: for us. But we can't snap our fingers and get
Speaker 1: Latch open tomorrow. So as we're waiting to go from
Speaker 1: where we are now, which is Latch just a vision
Speaker 1: to it actually being being open, we need to be
Speaker 1: looking for those opportunities to supplement our revenue situation, and
Speaker 1: we believe that London fits that bill. Uh. Not only
Speaker 1: is it the right time to do it, but it's
Speaker 1: the right action. That's morth lamping on a conference call
Speaker 1: with local media just before the announcement the other day. So,
Speaker 1: fellas there we go to home games at Wimbley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think listen the fans. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: seen all the comments and everyone's talked about. You've heard
Speaker 1: if you listen to the radio shows and everything else
Speaker 1: about fans are upset. And one of the things, just
Speaker 1: as we have this conversation, I think it's really important
Speaker 1: to kind of level set and separate the two two things,
Speaker 1: two aspects of this organization. One is on the field performance,
Speaker 1: two is business and UH stability of this franchise and
Speaker 1: for not just the immediate but the long term UH
Speaker 1: plan to be here in Jacksonville. And you have to
Speaker 1: separate those two. And I think sometimes in the anger
Speaker 1: and the passion, the poor performance on the field spills
Speaker 1: over to some of the decisions that are made on
Speaker 1: the business side. And by the way, like Jeff would
Speaker 1: agree jpud degree, like everyone of this building would agree
Speaker 1: it's okay to be upset about the on field performance,
Speaker 1: like there's nothing like you should as a fan. That's
Speaker 1: what's great about our fans, it's what's great about fans
Speaker 1: of the NFL. You're passionate, you are mad, you're p
Speaker 1: ode that this team is not winning enough games. That
Speaker 1: you know, seven of the last eight years double digit losses,
Speaker 1: all the stats we've talked about at the close of
Speaker 1: the season. And that is good, healthy anger, but you
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's right to have that anger
Speaker 1: and emotion be spilled over into a decision to go
Speaker 1: play two games in London, which if you're a season
Speaker 1: ticket holder and you come to all eight games or
Speaker 1: all seven games this past year, I get your you
Speaker 1: have one less game that you can go to. You're frustrated,
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's natural, but that it's only for the
Speaker 1: short term. This is a decision that is for next year.
Speaker 1: There's not even an agreement long term at this point
Speaker 1: to do anything else. And if you look at the
Speaker 1: business side of it, all that shot Khan, under Mark's
Speaker 1: leadership of his direction that they have done since they've
Speaker 1: uh shod bought this team, everything is to enhance the
Speaker 1: fan experience. Everything is to enhance what is going on
Speaker 1: in the stadium around the stadium in downtown started with
Speaker 1: the scoreboards, renovation of the club building of Daily's Place,
Speaker 1: which I don't know about everyone listening. I love, I go,
Speaker 1: I go to a bunch of shows, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I live at the beach, so I come downtown, I
Speaker 1: come here, I go to things around the state, and
Speaker 1: I go to the Daily's Place. You have a lot
Speaker 1: j that isn't hopefully on the cusp of happening, which
Speaker 1: is gonna be bring more people and more excitement. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have all these different things, hopefully shipyards one day
Speaker 1: down the road. I mean, so you have all these
Speaker 1: amazing things happening on the business side in London is
Speaker 1: part of that strategy where we sit right now, Mark
Speaker 1: said it perfectly. The teams that had lower revenue than
Speaker 1: we did, that had revenue issues, they all their owners,
Speaker 1: who by the way, were deeply rooted in San Diego,
Speaker 1: the deeply rooted in St. Louis, and deeply rooted in Oakland.
Speaker 1: They looked at their fans and said, see you, I'm
Speaker 1: going for the better deal to create more revenue and
Speaker 1: more value. We have an owner that's saying no, we're
Speaker 1: not going to do that. We're gonna make it work
Speaker 1: here now. We gotta get creative, and we gotta do
Speaker 1: some different things to do it, and it will evolve
Speaker 1: over time. And by the way, I'm gonna invest my
Speaker 1: own money into projects around the stadium to make this
Speaker 1: a better overall experience. And right now that means going
Speaker 1: to play one extra game in London, So two games
Speaker 1: in London, and I get for those. Any season ticket
Speaker 1: holder who came to seven games this past year, you
Speaker 1: have to be upset if you only came to six
Speaker 1: games last year, nothing changes for it. I'm glad you're
Speaker 1: not counting preseason games. I'm just saying regular season games
Speaker 1: just rear you and you can't count you guys. You
Speaker 1: and I both agree on prisons games. But if you
Speaker 1: came to seven regular season games last year, okay, I
Speaker 1: get you're frustrated, and you you're you If you only
Speaker 1: came to six last year, I'd love to know how
Speaker 1: many season take holders actually go to all seven games.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a big number. Caut loud. Well, that's
Speaker 1: fine right now, that's fine. But if it's only came
Speaker 1: to six. There's no change, nothing changed. It's just been
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit of a dog pile effect.
Speaker 1: I think there's been uh good reason for fans to
Speaker 1: be upset because the season didn't go very well. It's
Speaker 1: two years in a row. And then you had what
Speaker 1: was perceived by many was the the the inaction or
Speaker 1: the inactive response from ownership because of two consecutive losing seasons.
Speaker 1: So you had a bad season, no change or not
Speaker 1: sufficient enough change to satisfy certain fans, the football leadership, leadership.
Speaker 1: And then now you have of your home games going abroad.
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm not good. I mean, look, but
Speaker 1: if you but I totally get it. But you still
Speaker 1: have a fan base that's just upset about that. Look
Speaker 1: and and rightfully so. I mean, look, if this is
Speaker 1: your team, you want to see it. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is your team. You don't want them to do you
Speaker 1: want to watch it in person. I mean for the
Speaker 1: diehard people, the people, they are fans and this is
Speaker 1: their team, this is their city, this is the identity
Speaker 1: of this city. For it to be uh shipped overseas,
Speaker 1: so to speaking, that's what a lot of people term it.
Speaker 1: They have a hard time stomaching that. And I think
Speaker 1: also to some extent, and I understand that this is temporary,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people they don't believe that it's temporary.
Speaker 1: They think that, Okay, this is just the first step.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's more on the other side. Nobody knows, And
Speaker 1: certainly many people don't think that it's gonna go back
Speaker 1: to being one or eventually none because they just don't
Speaker 1: want to believe it. And so I think a lot
Speaker 1: of times it's just got to kind of sink in
Speaker 1: and then sometimes and sometimes in the emotion is still
Speaker 1: attached to it. And I understand that, I guess fully
Speaker 1: understand the emotion of it, but there's also a lot
Speaker 1: of reason, which Tony has been talking about there, and
Speaker 1: that there are some unique challenges in Jacksonville. That's fact.
Speaker 1: If if you want an owner that wants to be
Speaker 1: competitive from a financial standpoint, and there's nothing wrong with that. Look,
Speaker 1: it's a business. Tony operated a business. Do you think
Speaker 1: Tony's gonna operate the business that less than capacity or
Speaker 1: less than its optimum level, or JP or me or
Speaker 1: anybody else, any business owners. It's a business decision. And look,
Speaker 1: I get that, I get that side of it. But
Speaker 1: I also understand that when it comes to passion, people
Speaker 1: don't want to have business decisions affect their passion because
Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel good. And I totally get that.
Speaker 1: And the backdropt of this is that the it is
Speaker 1: a business decision, but in the grand scheme of things,
Speaker 1: it's a business of Jacksonville decision. That's my point. So
Speaker 1: here to keep it here. That's why. That's but here's
Speaker 1: the thing, and just real quick on that. That's that's
Speaker 1: what you're What you're saying is down the road. And
Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard for people to have the glasses that
Speaker 1: show them the future or what things look like three
Speaker 1: years down the road, four years down road, or five
Speaker 1: years down the road. But I can tell you this,
Speaker 1: when I came here in any one of the first
Speaker 1: things I used to do because I would I live
Speaker 1: in Mandarin. Still do same place, same drive for the
Speaker 1: most part. Every day, come up San Jose Boulevard, across
Speaker 1: the Main Street bridge, take a ride on Bay Street,
Speaker 1: down past Maxwell Health, Costeep Coffee planting to the stadium.
Speaker 1: Been making that drive since nine Has that drive changed
Speaker 1: one bit since ninet No, No, it hasn't changed at all,
Speaker 1: how many times have you heard? Though? The only thing
Speaker 1: that I've seen change it's okay, there's a there's a
Speaker 1: high rise complex there. It's a condominium, and then we
Speaker 1: have one right next to it. It's a skeleton crew
Speaker 1: that's left vacant. That's probably gonna cost the city more
Speaker 1: to tear it down. And I remember me Mangi talking about, hey,
Speaker 1: look man, we somebody should invest in this river from property.
Speaker 1: My gosh, this will be great, be awesome. Well, the
Speaker 1: vision I think that that shot Kan has, which look,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I even own a setic
Speaker 1: glasses that can look that far down the road, because
Speaker 1: I mean, he's his I thought it's a lot, Jay's
Speaker 1: the river front, it's a vibrant downtown. And look at
Speaker 1: the reality is, folks, and here's an opportunity. And I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to say and be a pauper for him
Speaker 1: or trying to be his publicist. I'm just telling you
Speaker 1: what Sin made that driving area and a damn thing
Speaker 1: different about it. And I'm all for about seeing something different.
Speaker 1: I'm all for seeing about cranes in our downtown when
Speaker 1: we go to Nashville, crane that are developing downtown in Nashville. Okay,
Speaker 1: the cranes that are around Wimbley, Yes, how many cranes
Speaker 1: have we got? What what's our downtown doing. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen a crane lately, not a damn thing. And also,
Speaker 1: I me personally, I'd like to see some change. I'd
Speaker 1: like to see it get better. So, Jeff, I think
Speaker 1: what you just said is exactly what I think the
Speaker 1: conversation should be. Be mad about the performance of the
Speaker 1: football team. None of us like it, And I get
Speaker 1: you know what, I think it's fair questions fans asked
Speaker 1: is like why were there no changes or not more
Speaker 1: of changes made? Those are all fair questions and that
Speaker 1: and you know what, you can be mad and you
Speaker 1: can question it, and all those things are fair. What
Speaker 1: I don't think, and you can be emotionally upset because
Speaker 1: it's one more game that you're not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to see here for those of you that come to
Speaker 1: the games. So yeah, it's one less opportunity. I get that.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, we have a owner and
Speaker 1: I cannot stress this enough that is putting his money
Speaker 1: where his mouth is in the sense of Daily's places
Speaker 1: here not here when he first got here. We had
Speaker 1: an old stadium, that old scoreboards. His his money went
Speaker 1: into those scoreboards. His money went into the the a
Speaker 1: lot of renovation of the stadium in a facility he
Speaker 1: does not own. He got that question money in the
Speaker 1: tell me the last time, Jeff, We've been here since
Speaker 1: ninety five. That someone who says I'll put up a
Speaker 1: quarter of a billion dollars or whatever the number is
Speaker 1: to develop a massive project downtown, well just already alone.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's over million in the stadium. I
Speaker 1: got this question last night because I was on with
Speaker 1: uh Todd Haley and Zig. I think this guy is
Speaker 1: his co host man, Yeah, yeah, I'm serious x M
Speaker 1: NFL Radio last night and uh and they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: the rumors are talking about the team eventually moving to London,
Speaker 1: which you know that that pops up. I mean it's
Speaker 1: look for the people that don't know, I mean that
Speaker 1: that's part of the conversation. Like again, let me say
Speaker 1: that again. For the people that don't know, that's part
Speaker 1: of the conversation. And so my response to that was
Speaker 1: because they weren't saying that it was, but they said,
Speaker 1: what about the people that have those questions? And I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I said, I talk me and you work Tony j
Speaker 1: P all of us. Are we going to spend a
Speaker 1: hundred million and and making plans on spending another billion,
Speaker 1: quarter billion to half a billion or whatever it's gonna
Speaker 1: call to to do this development downtown. Oh and by
Speaker 1: the way, we're just gonna take the team. We're gonna
Speaker 1: move with the Lune, which is the asset we're building around, right,
Speaker 1: that's the Hello. Well that's so that's where I get.
Speaker 1: And like I've had people on Twitter I questioned my
Speaker 1: love for Jacksonville and all this stuff and like whatever,
Speaker 1: they can do whatever they want. I'm actually four Sean
Speaker 1: and what he's doing on the like I questions on
Speaker 1: the football side too. By the way, right we all do.
Speaker 1: I've said, We've got a pretty good job on the
Speaker 1: air and so but where I'm like a lock in
Speaker 1: step with what he's doing and I'm a big supporter
Speaker 1: of his vision because it makes the city I love better.
Speaker 1: I've heard about downtown for twenty five years, nothing has happened.
Speaker 1: This is like the first opportunity, like someone's actually like
Speaker 1: really ready to rock the field. And like he's like
Speaker 1: and so like do I like, would I rather all
Speaker 1: eight games being in uh, jackson Sure be great Sunday morning.
Speaker 1: It's not home games are fun. Home, it's relaxing. But
Speaker 1: also if this is what it made like to go
Speaker 1: but it's one but at the time that it gets
Speaker 1: let out of you. But if this is part of
Speaker 1: the overall strategy to make this the permanent home of
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars. And by the way, have an owner
Speaker 1: who's investing and wants to win off the field and
Speaker 1: make this city better. There's nothing wrong with wanting to
Speaker 1: off the field. Like I hear people all the time,
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. Friends, greedy and all. If you
Speaker 1: want to question whether or not some of his moves
Speaker 1: have been the best to make when on the field happen,
Speaker 1: that's always open for debate. That's always fair. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I've got phone calls and messages. Oh he's greedy, you know,
Speaker 1: doesn't have enough money and all this stuff. And I said,
Speaker 1: wait a second, that's not fair. Number one, he's invested
Speaker 1: his money and he owns a business. If I was
Speaker 1: the owner of the Jaguars, I would be trying to
Speaker 1: maximize the revenue and the opportunity to make this great
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to wake up if I was the
Speaker 1: owner of this franchise and see that was thirty second
Speaker 1: in revenue. I'm competing with the beanngals to get out
Speaker 1: and the bills to get out of the seller. That's
Speaker 1: not really what I would want. Like, I want to say,
Speaker 1: how do I become? How do I start chasing down
Speaker 1: the top. And that's what we haven't always doing. And
Speaker 1: if it takes going to this game year, to go
Speaker 1: to two games to London, we'll see what's the future is.
Speaker 1: We don't know yet, but you know what, then that's
Speaker 1: the plan he's put it, he's invested his money. Then
Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna do. Hey, let's come back and
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Speaker 1: insured by n c U A. I think change for
Speaker 1: the sake of change normally doesn't produce the results you want.
Speaker 1: And I think there are plenty of examples. You're a journalist,
Speaker 1: I think look around the league. There are plenty of
Speaker 1: teams that you know, change coaches every year every other year.
Speaker 1: Has is that a winning formula? I think so there
Speaker 1: is huge of my emotion. I mean, I love, uh
Speaker 1: the idea of emotion. The fans care, Uh, they care
Speaker 1: because they want to have uh, you know, winning a
Speaker 1: football team. But when it's all set and done. You
Speaker 1: look at it with a rational mind. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the direction we're headed, I think gives us the best chance.
Speaker 1: Jaguarsoner shot Con. The full interview available on Jaguars dot com.
Speaker 1: Ashland Sullivan had the visit. It was released on the
Speaker 1: date of the announcement of the London added game this year,
Speaker 1: and then they talked a little football as well. So
Speaker 1: first comments I think we've had publicly from shot Con
Speaker 1: about Dave Caldwell and Doug maroone coming back this year,
Speaker 1: but that was some of the rationale behind it moving ahead.
Speaker 1: So I mean, look, and I know this is actually
Speaker 1: this is the more. This is tougher than talking about
Speaker 1: this second game to London my opinion. I do know
Speaker 1: that there are there are some media members that would
Speaker 1: like to be able to have you know, a Q
Speaker 1: and a session with Shot I mean, because I mean
Speaker 1: they want to, they want to delve deeper, they want more.
Speaker 1: But I mean SHOT's gonna give you the answer no
Speaker 1: matter how many times you ask it or how many
Speaker 1: different ways, that's exactly what he believes. And and so
Speaker 1: no matter how many different styles or ways that you
Speaker 1: try to present it to him, that's that's his belief
Speaker 1: and and there's nothing wrong with that belief because everybody
Speaker 1: has an opinion. And do I agree with everything that
Speaker 1: he said about you know, what should have happened going
Speaker 1: for No, I don't. But that's the beauty of football.
Speaker 1: And that's the beauty, beauty about having a passion for
Speaker 1: your football team, because if you don't have a belief,
Speaker 1: that means you don't have a passion, you don't care
Speaker 1: about it, you know. And I think all fans are
Speaker 1: no different than us that they have an opinion. And
Speaker 1: that's why there has been a very strong vocal opposition
Speaker 1: to the lack of change that happened at the end
Speaker 1: of season. And that's and that's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how what percentage that is, because typically the minority is
Speaker 1: more vocal than the majority, but it seems like at
Speaker 1: times that this is the majority speaking at times. But
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I mean, we're not not I
Speaker 1: don't have a poll or I don't have the ability
Speaker 1: to pull um. But look here here's the reality when
Speaker 1: he needs to happen now this year. And that's the
Speaker 1: impression that I get from listening to Sean Khan is
Speaker 1: that this organization. Hey, Doug Morown and Dave calledwell, they
Speaker 1: need to win this year playoff team. And as Sean said,
Speaker 1: the record will tell you whether or not that this
Speaker 1: was the right decision or that his decision was the
Speaker 1: right one. That's the beauty of the NFL. Now you
Speaker 1: get a grade at the end of the year and
Speaker 1: that's your record. Well, the grades has been bad around
Speaker 1: here a lot. It has a lot of f's F
Speaker 1: D minus. Um. I agree with Jeff said, you know
Speaker 1: the reason to kill it? Uh was I surprised some
Speaker 1: of the decisions. Sure would I maybe have done things differently, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but who like you know what like that, we'll find
Speaker 1: out the truth or what's right, what opinion is correct sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, about eleven months from now we will know.
Speaker 1: Like what Sean said, it's like that's like one point
Speaker 1: of view saying I want stability. You know, if we're
Speaker 1: gonna go with Gardner Minshew, you believe that's what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do. Well, I don't. That's the feeling I get.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. We're gonna delve into the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks a little bit later, so let's not go too
Speaker 1: deep here. But my point is thing but the other after.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to. Okay, Gardner, mit you any
Speaker 1: position named player if you feel and your strategy is
Speaker 1: having stability at the head coaching position in the GMS
Speaker 1: GM position and changing the structure, which we can get
Speaker 1: into that which is I've said on JP you and
Speaker 1: I talked about and jeff you as well. It's shocking
Speaker 1: to me that over the last three years they haven't
Speaker 1: been working together like somehow this is some new revelation
Speaker 1: that the GM and coach is supposed to be on
Speaker 1: the same page like together. But it's a different story
Speaker 1: for a different day. Um. But his strategy is saying
Speaker 1: like this, and I believe stability is important right now
Speaker 1: and more turnover isn't gonna help us win next year. Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't like that's a point of view that the perspective.
Speaker 1: That is one strategy. Now I can agree or disagree
Speaker 1: with the strategy, but it's a it's a sound strategy
Speaker 1: from a standpoint of a lot of people would tell
Speaker 1: you that's a good course to take, and we'll find
Speaker 1: out if it's the right course or not. Like shot
Speaker 1: said Jeffy repeated, the wins and losses will tell us
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, one thing matters
Speaker 1: and one thing only, and that's winning and losing. And
Speaker 1: if you have two more els th ws, well, then
Speaker 1: your strategy or the people executing your strategy are wrong.
Speaker 1: It should take typically it takes an organization to build,
Speaker 1: you know, to get to get where you want to
Speaker 1: get gone, takes three years to build, right, I mean
Speaker 1: that's typically right. Taken out about that time frame, trade
Speaker 1: argue they might have been quicker if Grappo didn't get
Speaker 1: hurt last year. Okay, Kansas City, Uh it took him
Speaker 1: one year soon as Yeah, but I mean you got
Speaker 1: you gotta count the years that he had Alex Smith
Speaker 1: at the home. But then they made the Bullard. You look,
Speaker 1: well the first year, uh Andy backup is first year
Speaker 1: Andy took over there two and fourteen. I think that
Speaker 1: next year they were competitive at least, So it was
Speaker 1: one year for Andy. Yeah, so it's I mean it's competitive.
Speaker 1: By the way, you won the best coaches in history,
Speaker 1: that's by far. I'm very happy for him. By the way, Uh,
Speaker 1: we haven't do we even we even have anything in
Speaker 1: there if that super Bowl when we go around the league, Okay,
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure important part of the league.
Speaker 1: But something But my point is is that you typically
Speaker 1: to to build an organization. You're talking about three years,
Speaker 1: and when you have that three year period, you better
Speaker 1: have a quarterback to be able to do that. Alright,
Speaker 1: So can we can? You guys? Stop you right there
Speaker 1: because this hit me because I've did the game this
Speaker 1: weekend off, the past weekend, uh the Super Bowl bow.
Speaker 1: You know, the year that the Chiefs picked. They're coming
Speaker 1: off a playoff year with Alex Smith. They were picking
Speaker 1: in the draft. They traded everything they needed to trade
Speaker 1: to get the ten to take a kid from Texas
Speaker 1: Tech that they thought could be special, even though they
Speaker 1: had a quarterback that could lead them to the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: if you if you are a team who identifies a
Speaker 1: quarterback in the draft that you think is special, go
Speaker 1: get him, almost regardless of the cost. So that because
Speaker 1: you're my question, can we go there? Now? Let's come back.
Speaker 1: I just want to throw the question out there and
Speaker 1: I want to answer it. Hit us with a question,
Speaker 1: do you stand pat with your quarterback room right now?
Speaker 1: If you're this organization, we'll answer that when we come back.
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Speaker 1: an old adage. Uh. Frankly, this past year proved you
Speaker 1: better have two competent quarterbacks. Okay. Uh, there were a
Speaker 1: number of teams they didn't have a competent quarterback. That
Speaker 1: wouldn't have made it. So, I mean, if you look
Speaker 1: at it where we've come from, argument could could have
Speaker 1: been made. We didn't have any competent quarterbacks. Okay, So
Speaker 1: this is in a way an embarrassment of riches for us,
Speaker 1: in a good way. Um that you know we do
Speaker 1: have two very good quarterbacks. Jaguar's owner shot con The
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Speaker 1: when those shows will begin. So check those out on
Speaker 1: the Jaguars social media pages. Quarterbacks and Aris been of riches.
Speaker 1: Two quarterbacks, and you know Nick Foles obviously started here
Speaker 1: comes Gardner, meant you six and six, everybody's on the roster.
Speaker 1: Josh Jobbs around there. Down the depth chart a little bit.
Speaker 1: There's your quarterback room. Where is this quarterback room right now?
Speaker 1: And will there'll be where will there be changes or
Speaker 1: additions to that quarterback room? In your opinion? Locks It
Speaker 1: seemed like you were really locked into this topic earlier. Well,
Speaker 1: I I don't agree with Sean con on this. I
Speaker 1: don't think that the quarterback position is that you've got
Speaker 1: two really good players. I mean, right now you have
Speaker 1: two players that are coming off of a year that
Speaker 1: still many questions exist about. And that if, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: if you stand pad or if you're satisfied with two
Speaker 1: good quarterbacks, then that means that's going to keep you
Speaker 1: from finding a great one. Which means that I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that that's his position. His position, maybe that he
Speaker 1: wants to find a great one, and maybe he's saying
Speaker 1: that just to you know, say, hey, these are our
Speaker 1: guys for now. We don't know if we're going to
Speaker 1: get another one. So but I think that that position
Speaker 1: the search has to still continue because if the search ends,
Speaker 1: then you miss maybe another opportunity at finding what will
Speaker 1: be the next Patrick Mahomes or and you had that
Speaker 1: opportunity lost already. Could it be the next Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: or Tom Brady whatever it is. And I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to criticize Gardner minshow because I think he had a
Speaker 1: phenomenal season for any type of rookie quarterback. But does
Speaker 1: that mean that that because he had a good rookie season, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, how many wins did did he get? Quarterback? Okay,
Speaker 1: six wins is and I know he didn't start all
Speaker 1: the games, but six wins is not what you're after.
Speaker 1: You're after double digit wins. And I'm not saying and
Speaker 1: I'm not trying trying to like know of people us
Speaker 1: rookie give him a break. I get that. I get that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that and tell you know that you
Speaker 1: have a guy at that position. The search doesn't end,
Speaker 1: and it cannot end. There's a lot of things to
Speaker 1: like about him his Are you satisfied? So I will
Speaker 1: describe it this way. We have one quarterback that I'm
Speaker 1: not sure about that had a nice rookie season and
Speaker 1: has some things I like and some things I really question,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he's the guy. I don't know,
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not. They could grow into it, maybe maybe not.
Speaker 1: Um did I leave this season saying he is the
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback? I did not. Okay, So that's one of
Speaker 1: the guys in that room. The other guy. What I
Speaker 1: know about him and Nick Foles is that in his
Speaker 1: career he's never played sick team games. He has two
Speaker 1: magnificent runs with small sample sizes at the back half
Speaker 1: of of seasons in playoff runs, one that led to
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl championship. He was outstanding. Outside of that,
Speaker 1: he has been very inconsistent up and down, and he
Speaker 1: did not play well last year, was injured again, so
Speaker 1: it continued not to be able to play sixteen games.
Speaker 1: So I have a lot of questions there as well.
Speaker 1: Do I think Nick Foles is a quote unquote franchise
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that can take me to the Super Bowl? Well,
Speaker 1: he's done it in the backup role, but over a
Speaker 1: sixteen year of course of the season, he has not.
Speaker 1: So I got a lot of questions there too. Not
Speaker 1: saying you can't, but I don't know. And so that
Speaker 1: tells me I have a quarterback room that I'm unsure about,
Speaker 1: and it is the most important position in this game,
Speaker 1: and you have to have it right there. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying you have to have Patrick Mahomes, but you sure
Speaker 1: would like that because it's gonna give you the best
Speaker 1: consistently winning um. But you need a guy that is
Speaker 1: a bona fide starter, franchise guy that can win games.
Speaker 1: And so with all that said, if I'm in this draft,
Speaker 1: I'm evaluating the heck out of those quarterbacks. And if
Speaker 1: I am convinced after my scouting process and I have
Speaker 1: conviction and believe that one of those guys is a
Speaker 1: future top ten, top five type of player at the
Speaker 1: quarterback position, I am making a trade to go get
Speaker 1: him bona fide. If I don't think of that movie,
Speaker 1: if he's not, if I don't have that conviction, then
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna stick Pat and I'm gonna take my
Speaker 1: guys he's bona fide, or maybe the guy want Maybe
Speaker 1: it's Justin Herbert. I haven't done any work on any
Speaker 1: of these guys. Maybe it's Justin Herbert and I can
Speaker 1: pick him up at I don't know. I don't remember
Speaker 1: last end, the last training camp. There were questions we
Speaker 1: I think we talked about on these shows that there
Speaker 1: might be issues with mensh you might need to get
Speaker 1: another backup courtback and Gardner and and Nick Foles was
Speaker 1: ten times better than him and training game and let's
Speaker 1: not forget when that happens again. Hold on, now, it's
Speaker 1: not just people on this show, Jeff, you and I
Speaker 1: both know it was the people across the hallway too.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a consensus that Gardner, mints you was the
Speaker 1: answer at backup quarterback. How many points did he score
Speaker 1: in the preseason zero or three or something? Was there
Speaker 1: not a lot of questions across tons of question There
Speaker 1: was nobody tons of questions. When I say nobody, I
Speaker 1: meant nobody that said, boy, we got a guy, a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. We said, we found a guy that you know,
Speaker 1: has a chance to be a good backup. That's what
Speaker 1: we thought. That's exactly what the thought was at the
Speaker 1: end of Troup. The thought was that we might have
Speaker 1: gotten a good backup and we might have to get
Speaker 1: a bet for there's people who thought in this building
Speaker 1: we should get a veteran so Gardnermentsho was fabulous. But
Speaker 1: one of the things we gotta be really careful here
Speaker 1: because it happens too often. We completely over value and
Speaker 1: over hype individuals way too quick here and maybe it
Speaker 1: happens other places. I'm just talking about here, because you
Speaker 1: have a small sample size of success. Let's not anoint
Speaker 1: anybody something they're not and that's not a shot Gardner.
Speaker 1: Gardner did what I actually, he did more than I
Speaker 1: expected him to. I mean more, and and that's the danger.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when you have a perception of a guy, is
Speaker 1: you know, a I mean use a one through ten scale.
Speaker 1: I'll put it this way. Our perception of Gardenmentshi would
Speaker 1: have been different if he was the first first round pick.
Speaker 1: Let's say this. If our perception of a guy coming
Speaker 1: into the season, he's a three out of ten, like three, okay,
Speaker 1: four maybe, and then all of a sudden he plays
Speaker 1: at a seven, You're like, oh my gosh, he's amazing.
Speaker 1: But if you had a perception of a guy who's
Speaker 1: a nine or a ten and he plays down to
Speaker 1: an eight, not that good, but he's still better than this,
Speaker 1: my boy, is, perception changes everything. Where you start with
Speaker 1: a guy and so you have to be so careful.
Speaker 1: It's a small sample size. Let this thing play out?
Speaker 1: Does Gardner Minshew has qualities that I love? Absolutely? Does
Speaker 1: he have qualities I really question? Absolutely? Let it play out.
Speaker 1: He's a young player. I think it's way too early
Speaker 1: to I think it's way too early, Jeff to say
Speaker 1: we have an embarrassed to say we have an embarrassment
Speaker 1: of riches at quarterback. That's why when you say let
Speaker 1: it play it out, that doesn't mean that you go,
Speaker 1: let's just let it play out because we're okay, you go,
Speaker 1: We're gonna let it play out. But you know, we
Speaker 1: don't know how it's gonna go, so we better find
Speaker 1: one and keep looking. Now, you might look at Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow and Herbert and whoever else is in the top
Speaker 1: to to and say, you know what, I'm not convinced
Speaker 1: these are the guys. And we have enough other holes
Speaker 1: in other places. We need to use that draft capital
Speaker 1: to build our roster. And there's a good class next year,
Speaker 1: and there's a really good class next year or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. And you know what, we see this guy
Speaker 1: who's probably gonna go into third round, that it's not
Speaker 1: that he's really not that far off the guys that
Speaker 1: are going to go in the first round, and so
Speaker 1: what we'd rather take a little bit more risk with
Speaker 1: a guy in the third round because less draft capital,
Speaker 1: because we think he has the potential maybe to get
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I mean, that's how you have
Speaker 1: to do it. But I mean I would be working.
Speaker 1: I'd be working hard on quarterbacks. We're back in a moment.
Speaker 1: We're gonna hear from Clais Campbell, the Walter Peyton Man
Speaker 1: of the Years, and that kind of begs the question too. Yes,
Speaker 1: cap management, we'll discuss a little of that. We'll go
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Speaker 1: great stuff for Calais. Believable honor. I'm proud of him.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a great player. And we've we've had
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Speaker 1: is a pro on the field, really good, great, great
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Speaker 1: And when you say find a way, because he said
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Speaker 1: Because but Jeff, I understand what you're saying, but the
Speaker 1: dollars and cents. You're over the cap right now. You
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Speaker 1: fourteen or fifteen in real money some somewhere in that range.
Speaker 1: But here's the reality. Did he not play over the
Speaker 1: value of fifteen million a year? Not last year, but
Speaker 1: the two years prior to that. Absolutely, you know. So
Speaker 1: if you're trying to find a little bit of justification
Speaker 1: for paying a guy like for some couple dollars and cents,
Speaker 1: for some people, they're like, we don't. And Jeff, you
Speaker 1: and I both have said in fairness like class players
Speaker 1: always feel different, united the same. We always think we
Speaker 1: have more in the tank than um we might. Plays
Speaker 1: is a guy that I think should be paying, playing
Speaker 1: probably less naps than he did last year. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. So with that, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a part time player, you're paying fifteen billion plus.
Speaker 1: I get it. I want him on the team too
Speaker 1: because of who he is, if what he brings the
Speaker 1: locker room, his leadership is an impact player. He is
Speaker 1: going if if Josh Allen last year, yes, yes, if
Speaker 1: you had if you Okay, Josh Allen's a part time player.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't be. He needs to be a full time
Speaker 1: absolutely this year, and he will be, I'm sure. But
Speaker 1: that's the kind of role that you envisioned for collaitions.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, with that role, Josh
Speaker 1: Allen had the numbers, he was impactful, and I think
Speaker 1: the impact players might have better numbers if you played
Speaker 1: less snaps? What what is his number for next year?
Speaker 1: Seventeen and change? And it's uh, dead money. So find
Speaker 1: a way to go because here's the thing that with
Speaker 1: that decision, it's not like you're making that decision that's
Speaker 1: gonna hurt you and one and you know what, Hey,
Speaker 1: I gotta win right now. Okay, I'm just gonna ask,
Speaker 1: is there everybody gonna win right now? So you so
Speaker 1: you're saying cut I mean, I mean like darkness is gone, right,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he's probably he's
Speaker 1: definitely gone a j boy a gone. Okay, So that
Speaker 1: gets you that's a tough tough spot to film, Okay,
Speaker 1: but that gets you a probably you're probably thirty three
Speaker 1: under the cap with those two. We say you need
Speaker 1: it for the Rookie class marks another, Um, yeah, you
Speaker 1: get rid of normal. Yeah it's another hold of show.
Speaker 1: Look I'm enough, Okay. Now, it's all because he sees
Speaker 1: a lot of dead probably looking at how how much
Speaker 1: is how much does the Rookie class cast you? What
Speaker 1: did we say that number is? And I can't remember
Speaker 1: what it was, but you're still that that's a lot
Speaker 1: of money. Open it up. Yeah, well, I know, look,
Speaker 1: more holes. Now you gotta be a player. You're getting
Speaker 1: rid of free agency. You just got rid of four
Speaker 1: starters on a team that was six or six one
Speaker 1: team last year. M yeah, so what are you saying.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's tough. I agree. I mean, you got
Speaker 1: you got your point of your point of glass is fair.
Speaker 1: But the reality we're hoping he take a little bit
Speaker 1: of a discount. But I don't think. Here's the reality.
Speaker 1: You're feel you're creating more holes for a team that
Speaker 1: had six wins. But here's the reality, right, you also
Speaker 1: had six wins with those guys. That's a great point,
Speaker 1: very good point. So okay, yeah it is you're right right,
Speaker 1: right right? I mean you didn't win me again, what's
Speaker 1: the argument. There's no other argument. Let's go around the
Speaker 1: national football shall we. I mean, you've left the speechless.
Speaker 1: That's how good of an argument. That was? All right,
Speaker 1: you left Tony speechless. That's that's the Kansas City Chiefs,
Speaker 1: for the first time in fifty years, win the Lombardi
Speaker 1: Trophy with a wild comeback in the fourth quarter to
Speaker 1: win Super Bowl fifty four. Tony, you were there, Um,
Speaker 1: what a performance. It was in that fourth quarter. So
Speaker 1: there's like seven minutes left, it's third and fifteen, and
Speaker 1: I'm not making step. We're talking in through the producer
Speaker 1: and everyone else, like what's fort is we're gonna grab
Speaker 1: because at that point the Chiefs had done nothing at all,
Speaker 1: and they were the pastors. Was killing my homes. He
Speaker 1: was not having a good night. I mean, like offensive
Speaker 1: life for Campa City played terrible. Outside the right tackle.
Speaker 1: Most of sources was really good. He was good, and
Speaker 1: so I was sitting there thinking, we started talking about
Speaker 1: who we're gonna get new SI was getting beat like
Speaker 1: a drum beat, like a drum if the doctor was
Speaker 1: getting beat. We're talking about like when are we gonna
Speaker 1: get Robert solo. This is a historic defensive performance, I
Speaker 1: mean all this stuff. And then the third and fifteen
Speaker 1: changed at all. And here's the thing. It's a post
Speaker 1: corner by three kills the number two receiver, and it's
Speaker 1: a combination route that Robert saw. They worked on Friday
Speaker 1: and Saturday outside Number one runs a deep end. It's
Speaker 1: cover three post corner, and they made the call They're
Speaker 1: not gonna sit. They're not going to carry the deep end.
Speaker 1: They're gonna let it go in that corner, has to
Speaker 1: get depth for the post, for the post corner. He
Speaker 1: bit on the dig in the post corner is wide
Speaker 1: open and he's sitting there just waiting on the ball.
Speaker 1: He's and so literally that play, and they wrapped it,
Speaker 1: and they wrapped it, and they wrapped it. If they
Speaker 1: if the if the guy just doesn't take the cheese,
Speaker 1: take debait and chase that in. He's back there and
Speaker 1: now he may hit the dig, but it's not the
Speaker 1: big play. And boy, that changed everything. That in the call.
Speaker 1: You know, they score, it's a three point game. You're like,
Speaker 1: all right, here comes tone didn't do much well, But
Speaker 1: forget that. I agree with that. But the big thing
Speaker 1: is they run the ball with Mosert first and they
Speaker 1: get five yards and first down. It's second and five.
Speaker 1: This is the second best rushing team in the NFL. Again, Kyle,
Speaker 1: this is when I'm first down. Go run it again.
Speaker 1: Worst case scenario, your third and two, third and one,
Speaker 1: and and like you got the right where you on him,
Speaker 1: drop out the pack pass into Kyle's defense. You guys
Speaker 1: wide open. He found him. Chris Jones went up and
Speaker 1: deflected the ball. He is wide open guy. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he did, he did. He missed. He missed the game
Speaker 1: winner to Manuel Sanders on the open. There's no safety
Speaker 1: Kittle a couple of times. Yeah, I mean Kidles one
Speaker 1: of those guys that you can just stare at him.
Speaker 1: He'll find a way to get on. So yeah, it was,
Speaker 1: but boy, I was. It was a crazy game. Nuts.
Speaker 1: Should they pay mahomes s a p Pay him like
Speaker 1: as much as they want pay him now because it
Speaker 1: costs more next year, that's right. Price price tag just
Speaker 1: keeps going up paying him. But he was not very
Speaker 1: good at the beginning. Now he's getting harassed. He was
Speaker 1: not well, no, look he wasn't getting harassed. He was
Speaker 1: getting harassed some but not that much. He's getting harassed
Speaker 1: and the pressure got to him and he started throwing.
Speaker 1: He started the clock started taking. He was like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. And then you're going, wait a minute, what
Speaker 1: are you doing time, dude? Slow down. But it was great.
Speaker 1: But he overcame it. That's what he did. Great players
Speaker 1: five and oh in his career. Uh, being down ten
Speaker 1: points of it's incredible. Congratulations to Andy Reid. Congratulations to
Speaker 1: Andy heck heck after you know what he said, to me,
Speaker 1: it only took thirty years. Years and long time player
Speaker 1: National Football League, played for Chicago Bears and uh coached here,
Speaker 1: coach a few other places, and he's been with Andy
Speaker 1: Reid for quite some Congratulations to Chad Henny. Football season's
Speaker 1: not over, by the way. The Seattle Dragons and the
Speaker 1: DC Defenders, the l A Wildcats in the Houston Roughnecks.
Speaker 1: That's Saturday to the Tampa Bay Vipers and the New
Speaker 1: York Guardians and then the St. Louis battle Hawks in
Speaker 1: the Dallas Friend of Games. The XFL kicks off. Will
Speaker 1: you watch if I'm home Saturday or Sunday and it's on,
Speaker 1: I got nothing going on. I'll probably check it out.
Speaker 1: Great Joe guys, We'll talk to you guys next week.
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