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Speaker 1: Welcome in side our three, The Jason Smith Show with

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Speaker 1: my bess friend Mike Harmon. Buddy, Yeah, it does the

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Speaker 1: biggest story in sports tonight. Surprising because I'm surprised that

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Speaker 1: people are surprised about it. Bill Belichick is not going

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Speaker 1: into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. On the first ballot,

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Speaker 1: eight time Super Bowl winning coach fell short of the

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Speaker 1: forty of fifty votes needed for induction to the Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame during his first year of eligibility.

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Speaker 1: This according to four sources with firsthand knowledge of the outcome.

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Speaker 1: He got a phone call from the Hall representative on

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Speaker 1: Friday afternoon with the news he wasn't going to be

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Speaker 1: inducted into Canton, Ohio this summer. Several sources who spoke

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Speaker 1: with him said Belichick was puzzled and disappointed by his

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Speaker 1: inability to get eighty percent of the vote. According to sources, quote,

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Speaker 1: six super bowls isn't enough. What does a guy have

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Speaker 1: to do? So Belichick is not getting into the Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame this year. And it's stunning that

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Speaker 1: people are this surprised with this outcome because when it was,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't and I don't know what I look, you started,

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Speaker 1: good fellaws, Be honest, I didn't know who would be

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Speaker 1: more gleeful.

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Speaker 2: You are our teammate here at Fox Sports Radio, Parker

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Speaker 2: if you probably drank a virtual glass of champagne.

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Speaker 1: He didn't get in. Yeah, but there's two different conversations,

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Speaker 1: right with with with this topic, and everybody wants to

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Speaker 1: mix him as one. And there is is Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer? And then there's are

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Speaker 1: you surprised he didn't get in? Okay, because it's not

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Speaker 1: the same thing, because is Bill Belichick a first ballot

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer? Yeah? Right, I'll tell you this is

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Speaker 1: a Jet fan, right, even even with everything going on,

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Speaker 1: Spygate everything, Yes, first ballot Hall of Famer, Right, I've

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Speaker 1: said that, but I completely understand why he's not getting in.

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Speaker 1: I get it, and I expected him to. Honestly, I

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Speaker 1: expected him to not get in because a couple of things. Why,

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Speaker 1: when I was thinking about this the other day, I

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Speaker 1: always remember the late John Clayton, who was on my

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Speaker 1: show on ESPN all the time, the guy with the

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Speaker 1: and is that he would always tell me that the

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Speaker 1: players get in first, right, Players get it. So when

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Speaker 1: you get to a point where you got Els Greenwood,

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Speaker 1: Roger Craig, all, the players always get in first. Now,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean coaches, in front offs, executives and owners

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Speaker 1: don't get in, but players get in first. However, I

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Speaker 1: know what the climate of sports is, and I know

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Speaker 1: what voters who have voted for the Pro Football Hall

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Speaker 1: over the course of the past twenty twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: People vote because of their own agendas. And when I

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Speaker 1: say their own agenda, I don't mean I really want

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Speaker 1: voters did. Hey, Belichick's been rude to me as a

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Speaker 1: reporter for the last twenty five years. Yeah. Now he

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Speaker 1: Yeah blank that I'm not voting for the guy. But

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Speaker 1: because of the cheating scandal. And when you combine all

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Speaker 1: which again the impact of the flate Gate not nearly

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Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised that that this. I'm honestly surprised

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Speaker 2: But you would argue in that case that he was

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Speaker 1: Makes it for people that want to vote for Belichick go,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it was like. I'm sure some

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Speaker 2: Did I expect, you know, the disagreement to where we'd

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I agree that baseball's more transparent

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Speaker 1: Do you know all the voters for baseball? We tried

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Speaker 2: But here there's fifty people in a room. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean that's it. Like we know there's a there's

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Speaker 2: a vast different you know who the fifty people are, right,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of voters.

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Speaker 2: But either way, the point being that we're now at

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Speaker 2: the point of a lot of finger pointing and you

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Speaker 2: have to decide how much spygate Okay, what do you

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Speaker 2: believe letter of the law, spirit of the law, rules

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Speaker 2: that that was suddenly an important piece. Well, no, that

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Speaker 1: But off of spygate, it's the top gun rule, Maverick,

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Speaker 1: and clearly the Patriots were not. But the point is,

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Speaker 2: They moved on and then obviously folks take shots at

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Speaker 2: that's a truism of all of it. But to this

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Speaker 2: that's the thing. It's at least eleven people did not

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Speaker 2: A little guy done good. And you were gonna get

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Speaker 2: a great answer from Belichick if that's all you were

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Speaker 2: that response too. So you decide how much percentage is that,

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Speaker 2: how much is Deflategate and then how much is spygate

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Speaker 2: or how much is someone convinced me? You know, and

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Speaker 2: we started horse trading over you know, votes and sensibilities.

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Speaker 1: All right, but you know it's a combination, it's all

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Speaker 1: that was, like, you know, Belichick was always a jerk

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Speaker 1: That could be the one vote he needed to get in. Right,

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Speaker 1: But let's just say spygate's a big deal. Like, there's

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Speaker 1: and Steve and Frostburg and Tice Shirt. We just need

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Speaker 1: You have to have staying and you just jets I

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Speaker 1: would have voted for him, You would vote for him?

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Speaker 1: To say you would vote for him? Frostburg, what did

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Speaker 1: Frostburg say? He jumped on he was a cheater? He

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Speaker 1: he never gets in. Frostburg wouldn't vote for him? Tight

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Speaker 1: Shirt made he vote for him? Maybe he doesn't. But

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Speaker 1: you just need one person out of five. And I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: five that can say yeah, the entire Patriots dynasty. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how it was because they won a ton

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Speaker 2: Hey, four out of five dentists. I mean Tyser was

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Speaker 2: But it's it's just that curiosity of all right, what

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Speaker 1: Remember told you what John Clayton told me. The players

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know, you know, I know I was on

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Speaker 1: Uh? Well, look, I assume it's gonna be in drips.

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Speaker 1: So we'll have more on Bill Belichick coming up. However,

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Speaker 1: No, don't lie. No it's not. No, it's not that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the one that would be more recent

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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously you do. Boles is pretty bleeping good man Like. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like it's one thing.

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Speaker 2: You lose them all, you say, you lose them all,

430
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Speaker 2: but you still gotta to run through. Like nowadays, we

431
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Speaker 2: celebrate each each one got worse, but we celebrate teams like,

432
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Speaker 2: you know what, they've got a streak of three straight

433
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Speaker 2: years that make it the playoffs. Yeah, great, Hey, this

434
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Speaker 2: guy's made the playoffs. I mean, look a look all

435
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Speaker 2: the the bowing down and Mike Tomlin had a hell

436
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Speaker 2: of a run in Pittsburgh, then one in Forever. Now

437
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Speaker 2: it's ironic that you get rid of the guy and

438
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Speaker 2: then you bring in McCarthy and they faced each other

439
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Speaker 2: all those years ago in the Super Bowl. That's the

440
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Speaker 2: last time McCarthy was there. But when we look at

441
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Speaker 2: that Bills squad and the Hall of Famers, it presented

442
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Speaker 2: uh and some of those great runs with Marv Levy

443
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Speaker 2: and company. Like I like that they get their shine

444
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Speaker 2: for these two weeks each, even even if it.

445
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Speaker 1: Is nor would you miss? That makes us remember the

446
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Speaker 1: runs they had. Now, as you want to credit the

447
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Speaker 1: Bills for things, I'm gonna go the other way because

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Speaker 1: you want to compare and see the difference in the

449
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Speaker 1: NFL from nineteen ninety one to where we are now. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna talk about the last drive for the Bills, right,

451
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Speaker 1: That's it. Everybody knows the Norwood miss no matter when

452
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Speaker 1: you were born, you know one of the biggest plays

453
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Speaker 1: in Super Bowl history. Norwood misses from forty seven yards out. Okay,

454
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Speaker 1: the Bills have the ball their final drive. They have

455
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Speaker 1: the ball on the Giants forty yard line with thirty

456
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Speaker 1: seconds left to go. Okay, so think about that for

457
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Speaker 1: a second because you think modern if it right now

458
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Speaker 1: you have the ball, no timeouts, but on the forty

459
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Speaker 1: yard line with thirty seconds left. Okay, that is you

460
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Speaker 1: think now and go, oh my, what is that? Three plays?

461
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Speaker 2: It's an eternity you have, way, I mean, now, it's

462
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Speaker 2: like we're gonna get in there, and not only that,

463
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Speaker 2: if we have to kick the field goal.

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Speaker 1: From here, we're something else.

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Speaker 2: Worth kills yeaven yarder, right, we're doing it quick outs

466
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Speaker 2: and then the way the game has changed, Yes, thirty

467
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Speaker 2: seconds left at the forty yard line, you're thinking three

468
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Speaker 2: plays and then they kicked the axt and then they

469
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Speaker 2: kick the field goal with that with three plays, maybe.

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Speaker 1: The Bills ran one play. They handed the ball to

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Speaker 1: Thurman Thomas who gained ten yards to the thirty yard line.

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Speaker 1: Then the Bills had to spike it with eight seconds

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Speaker 1: left and then bring Norwood on for the field goal.

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Speaker 1: So just think about that. If a team in the

475
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl is a field goal away from winning and

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Speaker 1: with thirty seconds left they run one play, this is

477
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Speaker 1: gonna be that coach guys to get fired. Marv Levy's

478
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Speaker 1: got to get fired, because that's one thing that the

479
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Speaker 1: NFL does now and you can go to and I'm

480
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Speaker 1: not saying this is just the Super Bowl, but you

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Speaker 1: go back to even the early two thousands where you'd

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Speaker 1: see time left and team would go, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: a minute thirty, we're on our own twenty yard line. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would just go to overtime, right, Like it's like

485
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Speaker 1: a minute thirty round twenty. You kidding. We get down

486
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Speaker 1: the field ten seconds week, we could run twelve plays.

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Speaker 2: We got a bunch of outs, We have a couple

488
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Speaker 2: of guys in the slot.

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Speaker 1: This is we got plenty of time. We got it.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to score too early. We don't want

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Speaker 1: to give them the ball back to it. But that's

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Speaker 1: where the NFL was back then. And this is they

493
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Speaker 1: ran one play, right, and they ran the ball to

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Speaker 1: Thurman Thomas. That was their play. They've ran it to

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Speaker 1: Thurman Thomas. Now here's where things get even worse for

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Speaker 1: the Bills, right, So it's it's it's completely awful that

497
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Speaker 1: you run one play and then you have to spike it.

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Speaker 1: So Scott Norwood was having in the wors near the end.

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Speaker 1: Jed one more year after this of just an okay

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Speaker 1: career as a kicker. Right. He led the NFL on

501
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Speaker 1: extra points in nineteen ninety ninety one because the Bills

502
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Speaker 1: offense was so good. But that year Scott Norwood was

503
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Speaker 1: twenty out of twenty nine on field goals, so he

504
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Speaker 1: missed one out of every three field goals he kicked.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't get you past Week three in the NFL,

506
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Speaker 1: let alone an entire season, right, to it because I

507
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Speaker 1: always say what kicking now is the best it's ever been.

508
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Speaker 1: You go back to then, twenty out of twenty nine.

509
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Speaker 1: You kept your job right, you were getting started in

510
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Speaker 1: fantasy ah, twenty out of twenty so one other every

511
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Speaker 1: three kicks he missed six to ten from forty to

512
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Speaker 1: forty nine. Right, So you know that if you're the Bills,

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Speaker 1: you want to get past that. You got to get

514
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Speaker 1: as close as you can. And still you ran the

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Speaker 1: football to Thurman Thomas. How are you okay settling for

516
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Speaker 1: a feed? Did you really think you're gonna catch him

517
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Speaker 1: by surprise? All right, let's get ten one like you

518
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Speaker 1: were okay with Norwood kicking at least a forty some

519
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Speaker 1: odd yard field goal on grass. Now, this is where

520
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: it gets even worse for the Bills. Right, you talk

521
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Speaker 1: about scouting and knowing things. Norwood that year, from forty

522
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Speaker 1: to forty nine yards on grass was one out of five.

523
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Speaker 1: He had never kicked a field goal of forty seven

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Speaker 1: yards or more on grass in his career. And the

525
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: Bills decided, yeah, we're gonna run the football and trot

526
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Speaker 1: you out there for a forty seven yarder. So you

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Speaker 1: put you knowingly put your kicker out there, knowing that

528
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Speaker 1: A he misses one out of every three kicks. B

529
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Speaker 1: he's not very good on grass. And see he hasn't

530
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Speaker 1: kicked one on grass from this length in his career.

531
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Speaker 1: And yet still we're gonna run Thurman Thomas once and

532
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Speaker 1: send him out there to kick a field goal like

533
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Speaker 1: that baffles me. And again, remember forty seven yards back

534
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Speaker 1: then was a big field goal. Forty seven yards. Now

535
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Speaker 1: as well, you gotta make it. You gotta make nine

536
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Speaker 1: out of ten from forty yards forty Now it's like,

537
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: you know, forty yard field goals back there, like fifty yards.

538
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: Guy throutinely hit one from fifty in every game. You

539
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Speaker 1: get a guy hit No one hit fifty yard field

540
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Speaker 1: goals back in the early nine he says, guy in

541
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Speaker 1: a fifty yard fielders, Wow, fifty yard that's unbelievable. I

542
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Speaker 1: can't believe that. So a forty seven yard field goal,

543
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Speaker 1: even though you talk about pressure winning the Super Bowl, yeah,

544
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: I get it, But on grass at this point, that's

545
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: a feat, that's an achievement, and that's still what the

546
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Speaker 1: Bills decided to settle for thirty seconds left from the

547
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: Giants forty yard line. They run one play. It's a

548
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Speaker 1: running play. So now it's impossible. You know, he's not

549
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: getting out of bounds. You know that you're gonna and

550
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Speaker 1: then you kick. You're okay kicking a field goal with

551
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Speaker 1: your kicker. That was just not good.

552
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Speaker 2: Sixty point six percent for his career, thirty seven of

553
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: sixty one from distances of forty to forty nine, two

554
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: of ten in his career from fifty plus.

555
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Speaker 1: They didn't even attempt those.

556
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Speaker 2: Back then, it was an automatic n take the delay

557
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: of game penalty and punt. We're gonna punt, yeah, right,

558
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: And that's where we get back to the old art

559
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: of punting, the old coffin corner, which was the thing,

560
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: like I yelled to my daughter playing soccer. It's like, yeah,

561
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 2: just give it, even if it goes out like death

562
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Speaker 2: to the corner.

563
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: Just go.

564
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Speaker 2: They throw in from you know, two yards ahead of

565
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: the end line kind of bound. Same thing with punting.

566
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: We don't do that anymore. Directional punting doesn't exist now.

567
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Speaker 2: And for fifty yard god, they're gonna try that field goal. Yeah,

568
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: what do you got, Frossburg, let me get this trade.

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Speaker 1: So back then they let you kick on grass, Yes,

570
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Speaker 1: they did it was actual drug test. No, they did.

571
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Speaker 1: They let you get whatever kind of grass you were on.

572
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: They let you kick. Yeah. Really, Oh, it wasn't as

573
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Speaker 1: strong as it is now. There's a there's a big

574
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Speaker 1: mix of Kentucky was a straight sense a million that

575
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Speaker 1: they let people kick on that was amazing to what

576
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Speaker 1: it was. They didn't show they didn't show up with

577
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Speaker 1: it any sort of cup and say hey, here I

578
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Speaker 1: got we gotta get a sample. They don't let you

579
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: kick on grass anymore. They've outlawed it, no question about it.

580
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Speaker 1: So just you think about that, because I went back

581
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Speaker 1: and watched it today, I'm like, yeah, because at that

582
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: last drive, the one run with Thurman Thomas and you

583
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: said and going man forty seconds left, a thirty seconds left,

584
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 1: they had the bolt of forty yard line. They ran

585
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Speaker 1: one play.

586
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Speaker 2: You know what that would get you now, Pitts Steelers

587
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: coaching job. Hi, Mike McCarthy, welcome back. I mean, really

588
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: that that is such a like you.

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Speaker 1: We would that's what we would say about Marv Levy today.

590
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: Marv Levy melted at the end of that game. Marv

591
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: Levy didn't know what he wanted to do, and he

592
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Speaker 1: had a that was a bad play call and it

593
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: was a bend. How do you not know your kicker?

594
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: And the Bills deserve to lose? That would be said

595
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: about the Bills today if they if this Super Bowl

596
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: happened today instead of thirty five. Let's talk about Peyton

597
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: and McVay some more. Let's go eleven twelve. Who what

598
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Speaker 1: tell me how to find out what's trending in the

599
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Speaker 1: wide world of sports From someone who's been called the

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Speaker 1: Marv Levy of Fox Sports Radio. He likes to walk

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Speaker 1: up to people and say, hey, you over a ficious jerk.

602
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Speaker 5: I went to college with the guy. It's Steve Disager.

603
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 5: I thought it was because I was one hundred years old.

604
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 5: By the way, Bills kicker Scott Norwood still enough of

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Speaker 5: a legend that he made a guest starring appearance in

606
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Speaker 5: the recent Buffalo Bill's Hallmark Christmas movie.

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Speaker 1: You know I still need to watch that. I'm behind.

608
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: Did you watch the Bill Mash movie? I did.

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Speaker 2: I saw the Chiefs one. I did not tell the

610
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Speaker 2: year before? Did it end?

611
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Speaker 5: Did it end?

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Speaker 1: What? Was? Was it a catch or was it an interception?

613
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: At the end?

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Speaker 5: But it's like every other Bills skin. Did it end

615
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 5: with Sean McDermot getting fired. No, he made an appearance

616
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Speaker 5: as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the next one day make in Chicago? Oh, man,

618
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Speaker 1: i'd be good if you want that. Man, there's like

619
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Speaker 1: a trend. Now the Chiefs are in it. Look what

620
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Speaker 1: happened at all the bills are in. It looks like

621
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Speaker 1: being on the Madden cover. No, no, that's true. You

622
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: don't want that. Mark better not to sniff around.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I thought of John Madden just now when you said,

624
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Speaker 5: you know, it wasn't that long ago. In the NFL,

625
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Speaker 5: they used to say, well min and a half, we

626
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Speaker 5: can't do this, Let's just go to overtime. John Madden

627
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Speaker 5: said that exact thing in the first Tom Brady Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I poy for overtime. And then they went down

629
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Speaker 1: to kick the field.

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Speaker 5: The ball was at about their own twenty a minute,

631
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Speaker 5: twenty to go, and then Brady keeps getting completions in

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Speaker 5: Vinitary Hall of Fame, one of the great kickers we

633
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Speaker 5: have seen Vinitary.

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Speaker 1: Did you know Marv Levy is one hundred years old?

635
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Speaker 1: He is absolutely, like a week ago, one hundred years old. No,

636
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Speaker 1: last summer he has one hundred. He is one hundred

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Speaker 1: years yes, people.

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Speaker 5: Have more than once on these airwaves. On other shows

639
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Speaker 5: discussed whether he's even alive. Oh good answer is in

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Speaker 5: the affirmative. Well everything it's dead. On the NBA schedule tonight,

641
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Speaker 5: everything is final. The Clipper that have won at Utah's

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Speaker 5: one fifteen one oh three Clips on what the NBA's

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Speaker 5: resting for the night. Clips have won sixteen of their

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Speaker 5: last nineteen. You know, this sixteen and three stretch follows

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Speaker 5: immediately a three and sixteen stretch that the Clippers had

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Speaker 5: this season. So they're the first team in league history

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Speaker 5: to have those two stretches back to back, and certainly

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Speaker 5: the first at any point in the same season. But

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Speaker 5: they're on the good stretch sixteen of nineteen. Meanwhile, Oklahoma

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Speaker 5: City at home beat New Orleans one oh four ninety five.

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Speaker 5: Shay Gilgess Alexander twenty nine points SGAs. He's known has

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Speaker 5: scored at least twenty points in one hundred and eighteen

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Speaker 5: consecutive games, the all time record set by Wilt Chamberlain

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Speaker 5: in the early sixties one hundred and twenty six straight

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Speaker 5: games of at least twenty points in each. Detroit won

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Speaker 5: at Denver one oh nine, one oh seven. Jamal Murray

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Speaker 5: missed two late free throws. Phoenix sent Brooklyn to a

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Speaker 5: sixth straight loss one oh six, one oh two, and

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Speaker 5: Sacramento to a six straight loss one oh three eighty seven.

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Speaker 5: Jalen Brunson twenty eight points, Philadelphia over in Milwaukee won

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Speaker 5: thirty nine to one twenty two, Paul George thirty two points,

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Speaker 5: Joel Embiid with twenty nine and Washington ended a nine

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Speaker 5: game losing streak, edging Portland one fifteen one eleven. Blazers

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Speaker 5: on free throws not good, just thirteen of twenty three.

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Speaker 5: Cleveland's Evan Mobley will miss one to three weeks with

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Speaker 5: a stray caff He is the reigning defensive player.

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Speaker 1: Of the Year in the league.

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Speaker 5: The Cavs host the Lakers on Wednesday. Denver's Nikola Jokic

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Speaker 5: will be reevaluated next week. He's been out for a

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Speaker 5: month with a bone bruise in his knee. Orlando's Franz

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Speaker 5: Wagner will miss another game on Wednesday due to his

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Speaker 5: bad ankle.

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Speaker 1: Orlando will be at Miami.

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Speaker 5: Minnesota's Anthony Edwards is questionable for Wednesday at Dallas with

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Speaker 5: a foot injury. Cooper flag and the Mavericks questionable for

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Speaker 5: Wednesday with his ankle injury. The players for next month's

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Speaker 5: Rising Stars Game, including Cooper Flag, were drafted onto teams tonight.

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Speaker 5: The All Star Game reserves will be announced this Sunday.

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Speaker 5: In college hoops, number three Michigan beat number five Nebraska

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Speaker 5: seventy five seventy two. Seventh thranked Michigan State came back

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Speaker 5: to win an overtime at Rutgers. Seventeenth ranked Virginia with

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Speaker 5: a comeback double overtime win at Notre Dame NHL Boston

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Speaker 5: in overtime beat Nashville three to two. At the Australian

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Speaker 5: Open quarterfinals, Jessica Pagula over Amanda and Issimova, two Americans

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Speaker 5: in the top ten in a suite Pagula six two,

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Speaker 5: seven six, Number five Elena Rebakina with an upset victory

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Speaker 5: against number two seed Egos Fiantek seven to five, six

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Speaker 5: to one, and currently in a men's quarterfinal, Novak Djokovic

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Speaker 5: has dropped the first set. Coach Bill Belichick will reportedly

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Speaker 5: not be elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame

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Speaker 5: this year. The class will be announced next week. Duke

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Speaker 5: quarterback Darian Mensa reached a settlement with the school over

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Speaker 5: their nil dispute. He's now expected to transfer to Miami

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Speaker 5: with wide receiver Cooper Barkay, and the Big Ten released

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Speaker 5: its football schedule for next season. Indiana, we'll face Ohio

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Speaker 5: State and Michigan on back to back weeks in October,

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Speaker 5: and Oregon will face those two back to back weeks

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Speaker 5: in November.

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Speaker 1: To thank you, Steve. The Jason Smith Show with My

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Speaker 1: best friend Mike Carmon Coming up next, we get into

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Speaker 1: the latest on the biggest NFL story of the day,

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick not getting selected the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Keep it right here, Jason. Be sure to catch live

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Speaker 1: editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays

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Speaker 1: at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific, Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: Jason Smith Show with My best Friend Mike Harmon. Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick not elected the Pro Football Hall of Fame. According

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Speaker 1: to reports, he said I won six Super Bowls. What

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Speaker 1: does the guy have to do?

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Speaker 2: Whether he actually said that or not, who knows, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh look, it's pretty simple. Again, we spend a lot

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Speaker 1: of time. I'm really surprised at how stunned people are

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Speaker 1: that he didn't get in, Because you know, you throw

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Speaker 1: things around like spygate and the flate gate and how

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Speaker 1: he treated the media, and you don't know who's gonna

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Speaker 1: take it personally, and who's gonna say I can't get

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Speaker 1: past the chie why. You know, all you need is

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Speaker 1: one out of five people right to not vote for him.

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of what you got a little bit

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Speaker 1: more than one out of five, and that's that. That's enough,

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Speaker 1: And that's not something that I think the math is

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Speaker 1: overwhelming for you to say, oh, I'm surprised he didn't

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Speaker 1: get you know, five out of five, No, one out

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Speaker 1: of five. People who are are probably still pissed about

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Speaker 1: the Patriots and still pissed about the the dynasty and

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Speaker 1: and what Spygate had going on. And quite honestly, we

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Speaker 1: don't know the identities of the writers. That's the point

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Speaker 1: we'll get to in a few minutes. But like, really,

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Speaker 1: if a writer were to say, hey, uh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: couldn't get past the cheating. I couldn't get past spygate.

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Speaker 1: It was it was too hard for me. I can't

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Speaker 1: do it. Okay. I mean you can, and you can

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Speaker 1: be upset about it and say, well, okay, but this

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Speaker 1: is a guy who is telling you, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what advantage he had, and I am going to vote

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Speaker 1: my conscience with this and that I leave that them

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Speaker 1: cheating won in Super Bowls, which got him in the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. And honestly, that should be all you

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Speaker 1: need to say to say that, that's my point. No,

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Speaker 1: it's probably not going to happen that way, but you know,

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Speaker 1: to think about it, it's not like people just kept

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Speaker 1: him out because he was a jerk in media sessions,

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Speaker 1: like you know, if he was just the way he was,

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Speaker 1: but there was no Spygate and no deflate Gate. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's getting in the Hall of Fame, right, he's getting in.

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Speaker 2: You never know, there are plenty of guys that there

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Speaker 2: are no in all halls of Fame.

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Speaker 1: But well, I don't know that there's enough to keep

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Speaker 1: him out, right, Like like you know, like with three

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Speaker 1: or four people not voted for Belichick for some reason,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it would be crazy. Look, you want to

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Speaker 1: call over in the baseball world people not voting for

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Speaker 1: Jeter for the Hall of Fame, Like, I get it, right,

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Speaker 1: that's how it goes. But it wasn't something that was

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Speaker 1: going to keep them out like here, we're talking fifty baseball,

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Speaker 1: it's hundreds and go all the way down into all

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Speaker 1: these different processes. We're talking about hundreds of people, to

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Speaker 1: where ten people quote voting their conscience really actually has

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Speaker 1: a difference there. It's eh, wow, it's rounding air. You know. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you wanted to get a little bit more personal

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Speaker 1: on it, right, you wanted to get past spygate, and

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Speaker 1: you could get it gets to a different perspective than

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Speaker 1: he was just a jerk in all his dealings with

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Speaker 1: the press, right because I'm sure people covering him for

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Speaker 1: twenty years, you know, I'm blowing off your questions and

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Speaker 1: treating you with disdain, which is what he did. But

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Speaker 1: just think about this for a second. How bad does

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Speaker 1: Belichick want to get in the Pro Football Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 1: Pretty bad? Right? Like he want dog Sure, he's a

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Speaker 1: big foot story and he wants to get in the

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame. And the fact that he

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Speaker 1: ran his whole career with a lot of ego and

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Speaker 1: elitism is that something that personally I could see someone

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Speaker 1: voting against, even more so than oh, you wouldn't answer

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Speaker 1: my questions after when you were onto Cincinnati. But just oh,

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Speaker 1: this means a lot to you, so much so that

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Speaker 1: Spygate and deflate get you that you bet the rules

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Speaker 1: because you wanted to win and have this kind of legacy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not voting for you for that. Whether or not

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Speaker 1: you believed, however much you believed that Spygate and the

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Speaker 1: Flategate had to do with them winning championships, you know

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Speaker 1: how much that means to him. And if you're still

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Speaker 1: if it's still stuck and you don't like what happened,

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Speaker 1: and you don't like the way he carried himself the

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Speaker 1: entire time with the scandals and still with with the

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Speaker 1: attitude that he had, he never apologized for it. I

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Speaker 1: can see that being a reason why people are saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: not voting for him, because it means so much to you.

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Speaker 1: I'm not voting you in I can see that because

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Speaker 1: people are human. Why are you returning this coat out

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Speaker 1: of spite? I don't think we take that back for spite.

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Speaker 1: No Costco will. They'll take anything back. Evidently Costco was

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Speaker 1: a whole yeah world. But when you get down to it, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, keep the extension.

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Speaker 2: Remember when he had his dog eared rule book and

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Speaker 2: he had the formation that suddenly you know, Harbaugh and

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Speaker 2: the Ravens were all mad about It's like it wasn't illegal,

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Speaker 2: but it became illegal, right, So I'm wondering spy and

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Speaker 2: all this like where we're talking about. All right, Well,

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Speaker 2: as you said, bend the rules, which everybody does to

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Speaker 2: just to a degree. Hey, I moved the football forward

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Speaker 2: if I'm a center, Hey I'm cheating like where I'm

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Speaker 2: actually running towards the line of scrimmage, not really in

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Speaker 2: motion anymore. I'm kind of more of a CFL kind

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Speaker 2: of guy. But they're not gonna call it on me. Push, push,

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Speaker 2: off sides, you know, all of those things. But for Belichick,

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Speaker 2: and I think some of it, I'd be really shocked

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Speaker 2: if it if you didn't have some number of those

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Speaker 2: eleven plus and we don't know how many it actually is,

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Speaker 2: that it was personal. It was even though he has

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Speaker 2: been the guy that anytime you talk about the history

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Speaker 2: of the league, who's the first guy they put on

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Speaker 2: the dais him. Yeah, let me tell you about this coach,

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Speaker 2: let me tell you about this player. So like, there's

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Speaker 2: all that other part of what he's done for the

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Speaker 2: game that probably should.

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Speaker 1: Be mixed into some of this. Oh sure, but in

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Speaker 1: the end, again, remember people are human and they're influenced

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Speaker 1: by a lot of different things. They're not you know,

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Speaker 1: they're not. He didn't send this to computers like it

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Speaker 1: like it used to be for college football, the computers

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Speaker 1: say these are the best two teams in the country.

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Speaker 1: People are and they get affected by a lot of

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Speaker 1: different things, which why I get why it's not surprising

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Speaker 1: that he didn't get elected this time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to see the electoral map of which

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Speaker 2: cities some of these folks represent or what teams they're

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Speaker 2: affiliated with.

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Speaker 1: Well, coming up next, you know what people want to

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Speaker 1: see is who these voters are that didn't vote for Belichick.

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Speaker 1: Are we gonna find out? We got the answer next

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Speaker 1: right here, Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio,