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Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, Emily Abodi here you are listening to episode

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Speaker 2: three hundred of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast where I

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Speaker 2: and toughest moments to essential tips on how to live

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Speaker 2: a healthier, happier, more motivated life. We all go through

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Speaker 2: our fair share of hurdles. My goal through these discussions

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Speaker 2: with intention so that you can stride towards your own

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Speaker 2: big potential and of course, have some fun along the way.

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Speaker 2: For today's episode, I am chatting with Alessa Nakin. She's

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Speaker 2: the first ever female coach in the MLB, currently with.

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Speaker 2: She was also the first ever pregnant coach, having her

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Speaker 2: She talks about what that journey was like, how it

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Speaker 2: like to be a game changer, proving that no matter

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Speaker 3: I love that. I love it so much. Alissa is truly.

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Speaker 2: Paving a new path forward for women coaches, and she

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Speaker 3: Of course, if you like what you're listening to, make sure.

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Speaker 2: Hurdle podcast and also I am at Emily Bye. Thank

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Speaker 2: kickstart of season seventeen. We've got some really great things,

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Speaker 2: great voices, great people, great giveaways, so much goodness coming

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Speaker 3: I am sitting down with Alyssa Nkin.

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Speaker 3: How are we doing, Alyssa?

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Speaker 1: I am so good, very happy to be here. Such

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Speaker 1: Totally. So I think about that a lot. And obviously

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Speaker 2: she makes it look easy doesn't mean that the load

439
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: is easy to carry, right.

440
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 3: It's not an easy feat.

441
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 2: So it's very understandable to me that you use a

442
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: word like passion, because you need passion.

443
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: To fuel a journey like that.

444
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 2: For sure, you said, I flip my phone around at

445
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: the time when you began, were you getting a lot

446
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: of keyboard warriors giving their two cents about you taking

447
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: this role?

448
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: Keyboard Warriors, I love that so much, And yes, all

449
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: of the things, even like past players, and you know,

450
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: and then it's crazy because I can like see things

451
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: and just be like not, it doesn't mean anything. But

452
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: it's like when other people see it and kind of

453
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: light the fire in it and bring it to you,

454
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: like did you see this? How are you feeling? It's

455
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: I start to take on their anxiety and it's kind

456
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: of like a contagious feeling to where I'm like, oh,

457
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: maybe I should feel offended by this. But then I realized,

458
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: like people just like to talk and they want to

459
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: share their thoughts even if they're totally off the wall.

460
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: And I also just don't care when it's you know,

461
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: I care about a lot of people in this world

462
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: and in my circle, but somebody that is going to

463
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: just try to like rip other people down, Like I don't.

464
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: I don't have time for you because there's only twenty

465
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: four hours in a day and there's a lot of

466
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: people ahead of you that need my time, effort and energy. Yeah.

467
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, anytime there's any change, there's going

468
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: to be a lot of noise around it. And what again,

469
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: like I can I can take it. I don't like

470
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: lose sleep over what other people say. I'm again, in

471
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: my head, probably the worst critic, but I had to

472
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: prepare my family for this so you know, my sweet mom, like, okay, Mom,

473
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: do not go on the internet for forty eight hours

474
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: minimum and anytime like there's something big happening with me,

475
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: just shut down the computer. She's she doesn't listen, so

476
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: she reads stuff and then but I can't control that either.

477
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, the grass grows where you water it, right,

478
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: And so it's easier than done to say that I'm

479
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 2: not going to give these things my attention. But one

480
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: thing can cross your radar at the wrong time and

481
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 2: then it throws you off your game and you're incapable

482
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: or it feels that way anyway to do the things

483
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 2: that you want to do, to give the things that

484
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: you want to give your attention to your full bandwidth.

485
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: So again, entirely understandable, but it really does sound what

486
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm hearing you say is you're really doing the best

487
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: you can with.

488
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: What you have. Now.

489
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: As you were getting started and getting really serious in

490
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: this role, you know there has been some time past

491
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: until you decided to have a family. So talk to

492
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: me about the decision to have a family and how

493
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: that made you feel considering your stance within the MLB.

494
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 4: It's something I've.

495
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: Always wanted, I've always known. I've wanted to be a mother,

496
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: and it's something my husband has always wanted. He's always

497
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: wanted to be a father. And we consider ourselves like

498
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: really good teammates with each other, so how cool to

499
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: like expand our team. So it's always been been a

500
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: thought of ours. The way my contract was in the past,

501
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: I essentially it was on a three year contract to start.

502
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: I got extended for a year and so, you know,

503
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: four years ago. So we got married in twenty twenty one,

504
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: and at that point we're like, okay, you know, in

505
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, give or take, like if we can

506
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: start to think about having a kid or maybe be

507
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: pregnant at that moment, we feel like that's a good

508
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: timing and that sort of thing. And I just felt

509
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: like kind of like settle, even though nothing about our

510
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: lives right now are settled. In my mind, I had

511
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: just felt very settled and very ready, and I was

512
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: kind of just ready for a shift. I feel like

513
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: in my whole my life, like I've worked off of

514
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: increments of four years. Like you go to high school

515
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: for four years. I played college softball for four years,

516
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, I went to grad school for two, but

517
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: was kind of like working my way up in the

518
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: organization for about four to six years, and then it

519
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: was this four year contract, so I'm like, well, it's

520
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: about that time to start like throwing a wrench into everything.

521
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: But there was no hesitation the moment that we decided

522
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: to try for a family. It took us close to

523
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: a year, but never once was it like how are

524
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: we going to make this work, except for like a

525
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: couple years prior it's like, Okay, we have to tie

526
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: it this way so that I can have the baby

527
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: in the off season and then be back and ready

528
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: to roll.

529
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 4: And then you just realize, like you're not totally.

530
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: In control with a lot of that, So it goes

531
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: back to just giving yourself grace and understanding like you're

532
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: going to make it work. And it's just been a

533
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: really fun and exciting time. And we obviously got pregnant

534
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, so that was my fourth season

535
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: with the team, So I've built some really good relationships

536
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 1: with the staff at the time and the play and

537
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 1: so when you're big league coach, you are with a

538
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: team far more than you're with your own family. So

539
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: sometimes these everybody in the clubhouse kind of feels like family.

540
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: You're traveling through the middle of the night with them,

541
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: You're going through the ups and downs of a season,

542
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: you are spending you know, nine to twelve hours a

543
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: day with them out a field. So when we got pregnant,

544
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: the whole clubhouse was so excited for us, and I

545
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: am so grateful for that because it just made it

546
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: feel like, again, I can't fail here, and this is

547
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: so cool to share in this. Every A lot of

548
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: people were like, how's that going to work. I'm like,

549
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out, and they're like, cool, yeah, you

550
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: always do. And so it was really exciting. And I

551
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: was quite sick for nineteen weeks, so it was really

552
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: nice to be around people that were just very respectful

553
00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: of me and there for me and able to understand

554
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: and if I was a little bit late to the field,

555
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: like why I was late, and to have throw it

556
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: bags available for me.

557
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 4: But you know, a.

558
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: Couple of years ago, it was again like, let's time

559
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: this to where it's going to work. And then I

560
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: think it was like May of twenty twenty two, when

561
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: just a lot of like women's rights and reproductive rights

562
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: were being talked about. I realized I cannot let baseball

563
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: dictate my family goals. And we were trying, but with

564
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: the game schedule and the road schedule, I mean, there's

565
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: really only like a couple times you can really make

566
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: it work. So it took us eleven months, but we

567
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: just trusted, like we're going to make this work. We've

568
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: got a really good support system and organization is here

569
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: to support us. Plus I have a lot of faith

570
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: in myself that through really chaotic times, I can thrive

571
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: and figure out what the next step is and what

572
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 1: is right not just for me but for my family.

573
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: And so, you know, my season looks far different right now.

574
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, like, wow, a year ago, we

575
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: were like leaving the Mexico City Series and heading to Houston,

576
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: and like, you know, you're with the team and you're

577
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: going through that travel grind, and right now I'm not

578
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: doing that. But I don't feel guilt around it. I

579
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: feel really excited for the shift in what things look

580
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: like right now. I was, you know, for four seasons

581
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: in a role and loved it and again ready for

582
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: like another challenge. So I think I gave myself the

583
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: ultimate challenge, but I'm here for it.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious what the maternity leave policy was with the

623
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Speaker 2: MLB considering that they don't have any other female coaches,

624
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: it's been a lot.

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00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: So the way it works, so as a coach, you're

626
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Speaker 1: employed by your organization, so I'm technically an employee of

627
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: the Giants. And the Giant's maternity leave policy is really

628
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Speaker 1: quite nice. Essentially, it's eighteen weeks and it's a mix

629
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Speaker 1: of state disability FMLA and then a new baby bonding

630
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: period and you have twelve months to use that eighteen

631
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: weeks of leave. Again, like, hats off to the organization.

632
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: They've been really supportive in allowing me to kind of

633
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: like move through this without knowing exactly what I wanted

634
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: at the start. So in the off season, you know,

635
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: October November, Decen, where we were talking through all.

636
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 4: This, it was like, well, I don't know when I'll

637
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: be able.

638
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: To come back. I don't know if I'll be able

639
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: to travel. I've never had a kid before.

640
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 4: I know they have to eat a lot.

641
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: And so what I asked for was flexibility. Can I

642
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: please not commit to a certain amount of time off

643
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: or a certain come back date? And long story short,

644
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: they said yes. So I took the six weeks to recover.

645
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: My baby was born in January three weeks early. But

646
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: when she hit six weeks, my family and I we

647
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: traveled down to spring training. We were with the team

648
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: for a while to kind of like test the waters

649
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: of travel, and you know, my husband and I like

650
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: kind of role reversing him taking her for the day

651
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: and meeting me, like buy my lockers. I could feed

652
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: her every three hours. I was pumping in the dugout

653
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. And so I realized, Okay, we

654
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: need to like ease ourselves back into this. There is

655
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Speaker 1: really no benefit in me trying to come back full

656
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: force because I'm not going to be the best coach

657
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 1: I can be and I definitely won't be the best

658
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: mom I can be. And so this is just a

659
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: long winded answer to talk through the maternity leave policy.

660
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: But right now I'm essentially kind of piecing it together.

661
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: So even though the team's on the road, I'm still

662
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: working remotely. But if I need to take like a

663
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: week or something, I feel comfortable being like, Okay, I'm

664
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Speaker 1: going to take a week of leave in case, you know,

665
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: something happens, and I have the twelve months to do that.

666
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: Wow, that's awesome.

667
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: It's awesome that they were really there to support you

668
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: and allow you to be flexible as you learned what

669
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: was right for you and your family, because, as you said,

670
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 2: it's not like you have all the answers.

671
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: You've never done it before.

672
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 2: So here you are learning in real time and they're

673
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: allowing you to learn alongside of them, which really does

674
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: show again that culture of really outstanding support. You said,

675
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: feet every three hours? Are we breastfeeding?

676
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 3: What are we doing?

677
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know you go in, Well, we went

678
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: into like right before, well, we went into this whole pregnancy.

679
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: I was like planning out everything. That's kind of how

680
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: I work, and then just everything's like the universe, like

681
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: here you go, here's a plan that you did not expect.

682
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: So our goal is to exclusively breast speed. She was

683
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: born three weeks early because I was on the verge

684
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: of pre eclampsia. I'm not sure if you know what

685
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: it is, but it's basically something you can get in

686
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: in pregnancy. It's telling everything like your organs could be failing.

687
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: So she was healthy and fine the whole time. I

688
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: was the issue, so I had to get induced three

689
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: weeks early. She came out great. I was fine, I thought,

690
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: but she wasn't latching, and they say, because she didn't

691
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: have the three extra weeks to like develop that sucking technique,

692
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: like nursing was going to be hard, but I could

693
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: still pump and breastfeed that way. So we were doing that,

694
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: and in that first week we're kind of getting closer

695
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: to the nurse nursing and the latching part. But then

696
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: I did develop a postpartum pre clampsia, so I was

697
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: hospitalized for a bit. So it just threw a wrench

698
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: in everything. So we attempt the nursing a few times

699
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: a day. We're getting better, but I'm pumping around the clock.

700
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: So at the start it was eight to nine times

701
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: a day, like six times a day, so every four hours,

702
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: and it's it's been a lot, but again I've I've

703
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: gotten into a pretty good rhythm and a good routine.

704
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: So I feel very good and I feel very blessed

705
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: that I can, you know, feed my baby. And it's

706
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: been quite the journey to learn with her on like

707
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: the nursing part, and each time it happens, it's like, yes,

708
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: that's for the day, because it truly is a beautiful thing.

709
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: But so, yeah, it's a mixture of breastfeeding but also

710
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: we do have to supplement with formula because she's a

711
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: growing girl and she's like her mommy and gets hang grief,

712
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: So make sure we've got something on deck.

713
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: Even I just have that imagery of you doing this

714
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: and the dugout and the guys are just, you know,

715
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: hanging out and you're hanging out and You're like, this

716
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: is how we go exist.

717
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: Now exactly, and they just they love it. They're like this,

718
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: this is going to go in the book one day.

719
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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, yes.

720
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: For sure.

721
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: So as we start to wind down here, I do

722
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: want to make sure that we find some time to

723
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: talk about how it feels for you moving forward.

724
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Speaker 1: Now.

725
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: I know that we're still learning about what.

726
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: Feels right for you and your family and your commitments

727
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: and time allotment with the team. But as you are

728
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: so passionate about furthering opportunities for women in sport, my

729
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: question really is what is it that you feel is

730
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: within your power to help with those opportunities. Because it

731
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: sounds like such a big topic, but it's such a

732
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: big endeavor, right, But there have to be some more

733
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: smaller tasks that you have your eye on to make

734
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 2: these changes happen.

735
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.

736
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Speaker 1: I think when you think about it, like how can

737
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: you open the door for women, and it's like that's

738
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: a very big question. So one, I think just doing

739
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: it is helpful, and then kind of beyond that is

740
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: really ensuring that women are understanding what opportunities are available.

741
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: So that's what really helped me. Right, I didn't see

742
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: this job exist. However, I knew just in my heart

743
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: and through journaling and through talking with others, like I

744
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: knew what I kind of wanted my days to look like,

745
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: and the impact that I wanted and how I wanted

746
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: to kind of feel, and the type of work I

747
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: wanted to do. I just couldn't put a job description

748
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: to it. So what I do now is I the

749
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: Giants and I have a couple times in the last

750
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: couple of years put on a career in Sport event

751
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: at Oracle Park, the home of the Giants, and we

752
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: invite local college softball teams to come and just learn

753
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: about the different jobs there are in baseball. I had

754
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: no idea one I had no idea you could have

755
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: a career in sports. When I was playing sports. I

756
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: just didn't know you could keep doing it. And so

757
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: I think one just awareness is really really important. So

758
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: I love those events because then I get to know

759
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: and I get to meet these athletes and they are

760
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: so excited about pursuing their career in sport. You know

761
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: there because I can resonate with them. I played college softball,

762
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: and you go through that identity crisis when you graduate, like.

763
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 4: Who am I without softball?

764
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: So it's been really fun to stay connected with these

765
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: girls that are pursuing jobs in baseball and then also

766
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: encouraging them to look at other jobs in other sports too.

767
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: That's that's kind of the one big thing that I

768
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: feel like does have a lot of impact, and I've

769
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: been able to see it, like I've been able to

770
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: see women like some of these college softball players go

771
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: out and get scouting jobs with the Red Sox, get

772
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: jobs within our Giants organization, get baseball operations jobs with

773
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: other teams. So that's that's been cool. And then they

774
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: are starting to kind of like do it too and

775
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: get into their communities and talk about the different career

776
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: paths you can take in baseball specifically.

777
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 2: It's a domino effect, right, and it starts with one

778
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: person to say, what if we try this, and it's

779
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: just something that no one's happened to say before. There's

780
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: so much value in the work that you're doing. We did,

781
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: we did chat a little bit before and joked a

782
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: bit about the Keyboard Warrior. So many people, you know,

783
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: they know you as this coach for the San Francisco Giants.

784
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: But when you look in the mirror, what is it

785
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: that you see looking back at you?

786
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: I see like just a very chill person that's trying

787
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: to be very kind in a world that needs it.

788
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: And I know that sounds quite cheesy, but it's it's simple,

789
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: and I do feel like this world, in our society,

790
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: tries to make so many simple things very complex. And

791
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: then also I just think like that's kind of insane.

792
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: So it comes back to like can we just be

793
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: kind and chill? You know.

794
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 4: Now I look in the mirror, I'm like, I'm I'm

795
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 4: a mom. And that's the coolest.

796
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna like it. I didn't know

797
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: I was going to like it this much. I love

798
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: it so much and I feel like coaching and really

799
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: just my whole life, but especially these last five years

800
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: have prepped me for motherhood and I'm so ever grateful

801
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: for that. But yeah, identities and like identity because growing

802
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: up it was like I'm gonna be d one college

803
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: softball player and then like you graduate and you're not

804
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: that anymore, and like the world doesn't care, but you care.

805
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'd never want to box myself into

806
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: one thing ever again. And so I look in the mirror,

807
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, how can I be the most chill and

808
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: the most kind today and then take care of life's responsibilities.

809
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: We love that, We absolutely love that. How can I

810
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: be the most chill and the most kind today. I'm

811
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: going to start asking myself that in the mirror when

812
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 2: I wake up in the morning.

813
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 3: Super helpful.

814
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so glad that we were able to find

815
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: this time to connect today. Two last questions before I

816
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: let you go. You've been playing this sport for such

817
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: a long time, and now obviously within a different role

818
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: within the Giants organization. When you think about the lessons

819
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 2: that you've learned within sport that have carried you into

820
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: the other aspects of your life, what would you say

821
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: one of the most resounding through lines has been for you.

822
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: I think it's really really important that you stay consistent

823
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: in who you are and you keep your processes pretty

824
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: constant and consistent, but allow them to adapt as necessary.

825
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: I think in sport, especially as a coach, and I

826
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: see it with other coaches, like you try to control

827
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: so much. It's like you're not the one on the

828
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: field playing, How can you be the best facilitator of preparation?

829
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: And it just comes back to controlling what you can control,

830
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: because there's so much you can't. And so I think

831
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: like growing up in sport, I learned a lot about

832
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: time management, and you know, like getting your homework done

833
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: and then being able to go to practice and getting

834
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: good grades so that you could make the team and

835
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And now obviously I still think

836
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: like the time management skills you learn and in sport

837
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: is it's great for your life. But I also think

838
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: just the understanding the importance of being that consistent presence

839
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: or your team, your clubhouse, your your staff, your players

840
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: is so important. And then it translates into life outside

841
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: the field of just being that consistent person for your

842
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: family and for the community.

843
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: Consistency is key.

844
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: Putting in the reps has definitely been a through line

845
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: in our conversation today. All right, as we end, a

846
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 2: final question for you, right, now you have an opportunity

847
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 2: to offer yourself a piece of advice back when you

848
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: were starting flipping over the phone and trying to focus

849
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 2: in on your career, doing something that no other woman

850
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 2: had done before. Knowing what you know now, what advice

851
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: would you offer yourself embarking on that hurdle.

852
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: I would tell myself to stay humble and stay hungry.

853
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, I think humility is when

854
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: it kind of comes naturally to me. I have like

855
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: two really great best friends that I've had since I

856
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: was born that have kept me humble my whole life.

857
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: But I think it's also importantly stay hungry. So I'm

858
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: going to be like humble and do my job, but

859
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: I'm also going to keep looking to advance not just

860
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: myself but other women in sport, and also like strive

861
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: to get a world series ring this season.

862
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: We love it.

863
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: We love some goal setting, and again you're talking about

864
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: your board of directors, something that I think a lot

865
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: of people are going to walk away from this episode

866
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: and ask themselves who's on mine? Elis I'm so happy

867
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: that we were able to make this happen today. Tell

868
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: us if they don't follow along with you, just yet.

869
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: How can the hurdlers follow along with you? How can

870
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 2: they keep up with you? Perhaps the Giants organization give

871
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: me the details.

872
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Speaker 1: So I'm not like super active on social media, meaning

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Speaker 1: I'm not on it.

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Speaker 3: We see what happened here. There's definitely a true life

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: I do think that, you know, everyone should become a

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Speaker 1: Giants fan and come out to games and maybe one

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Speaker 1: day I'll be like a little bit more public. But

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Speaker 1: I love connecting with fans in person. So again, if

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Speaker 1: you come to a game and want to chat, like

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Speaker 1: I want to chat.

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Speaker 3: Head on down, head on down to the clubhouse.

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Speaker 2: I'm over at emilya Body and at Hurdle Podcast Another

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Speaker 2: Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.