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Speaker 1: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm

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Speaker 1: Terrence Bates. While President Trump is busy putting his cabinet together,

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Speaker 1: his nomination of Tom Holman as a borders are is

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Speaker 1: sending a clear message about his intentions on day one

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Speaker 1: of his administration. Meantime, there's an expectation that illegal migrants

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Speaker 1: will try to flood into the country over the next

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Speaker 1: several weeks before Trump takes office. Real America's Voice correspondent

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Speaker 1: Oscar Ramirez has been covering theates the latest excuse me,

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Speaker 1: migrant caravans making their way north towards the United States.

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Speaker 1: He joins US now from Tijuana, Mexico.

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Speaker 2: Oscar.

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Speaker 1: Always good to see my friend, Good afternoon, Good.

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Speaker 2: After an entrance.

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Speaker 3: There's always an honor to be with you.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about these latest migrants. What's the latest

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Speaker 1: with them.

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Speaker 3: Well, there was a caravan that left on the fifth November,

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Speaker 3: on an election day. And on the next day that

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Speaker 3: I was walking and documenting this caravan, everybody all of

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Speaker 3: the sudden they knew and they realized that Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: just became president, and immediately the caravan got dissolved. You know,

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Speaker 3: the majority of these people started coming back to the

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Speaker 3: south of the border. A lot of them started returning

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Speaker 3: back home, a lot of them, they continue, You're talking

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Speaker 3: about a quantity of five hundred and six hundred individuals

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Speaker 3: caravan terrence. And also, you know, the Mexican authorities started

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Speaker 3: acting this because Donald Trump sent a clear message to

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Speaker 3: the Mexican president saying, if you don't stop this massive

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Speaker 3: flow of fentanol coming into my.

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Speaker 2: Voters and this massive influx.

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Speaker 3: I will tearrif you with everything that you're sending on

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Speaker 3: twenty five percent. This clearly sent a message to the

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Speaker 3: Mexican authorities as soon as Donald Trump became president, and

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Speaker 3: now caravans are being dissolved, the Mexican authorities.

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Speaker 2: Are acting slowly, slowly. It's sending a message slowly.

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Speaker 3: But also there is a threat of massive arrival of

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Speaker 3: on the twentieth of January returns.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like there's a dual thing happening here

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Speaker 1: that the Mexican government is taking note of what potentially

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Speaker 1: sounds to me like there's still activity happening in terms

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, the CVP one app has been the

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Speaker 3: other side of the story. This application that has been

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Speaker 3: created by the Biding Erris and Maiorica's administration another way

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Speaker 3: of a fast way to cheat an immigration and to

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Speaker 2: This you know, the Biding Harris.

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Speaker 3: Administration had an agreement with the past administration of Mexico

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Speaker 3: it has been flooding tarants. You're talking about hundreds of

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Speaker 3: thousands of people that they have been arriving and entering

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Speaker 3: through the CVP one app. Just Tapachula alone, you have

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Speaker 3: twelve hundred or fifteen hundred people on a daily day

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Speaker 3: basis putting their applications to sist to this CBP one app.

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Speaker 4: So a lot of the people they know.

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Speaker 3: That the application is possibly working fastly before you know,

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Speaker 1: So inauguration day is just over sixty days away. Based

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Speaker 1: on your experience having covered the illegal immigration situation at

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Speaker 1: the northern border at the southern board, Excuse me, what

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Speaker 1: is your estimation in terms of what's going to happen

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Speaker 3: Say, this is the thing that it has to be

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Speaker 3: done as soon as Donald Trump becomes president. Get out

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Speaker 3: of the Global Compact of Migration, stop the federal grants.

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Speaker 2: To these NGOs.

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Speaker 3: These are the ones that they are going to be

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Speaker 3: to be implemented by the Trump administrition. You're going to

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Speaker 3: have a lot of manifestations, a lot of protests by NGOs,

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Speaker 3: not on the American side, Terrence, this is the aggravating thing.

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Speaker 3: They're going to come to Mexico and cite their violence,

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Speaker 2: This is what is going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Also, there's going to be a massive arrival from South

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Speaker 3: And ultimately there is hundreds of thousands of migrants that

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Speaker 3: You're going to have massive protests also in the United

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Speaker 3: port of entry like what is the wana And also

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Speaker 3: you know pier a negro squoe we love that is

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Speaker 3: connected to ego paths. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Oscar and Marriage reporting for us this morning. Always good information,

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Speaker 1: my friend. Good to see you, and when you get

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Speaker 1: back out there onto the streets, please be careful.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Sarah, there's always an honor to

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Oscar and Marriage reporting for us there in Tijuana, Mexico,

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Speaker 1: as that migrant caravan continuing to make its way here

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Speaker 1: towards the United States. As you heard though OSCAR reporting

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Speaker 1: immediately after President Trump was elected, some of the people

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Speaker 1: in that caravan decided to go back home, but there

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Speaker 1: were still hundreds who decided to come north trying to

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Speaker 2: Very likely illegally.

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Speaker 1: That's a great check of your headlines.

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Speaker 2: As always, really appreciate you.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back everybody. Email us as always, Freham at Charliekirk

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Speaker 5: dot com joining us now is the premier expert on immigration.

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Speaker 5: Todd Bensman, author of Overrun fellow for the Center for

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Speaker 5: Immigration Studies, is a brand new piece from The Daily Wire,

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Speaker 5: The Trump Effect two point out illegal border crossing set

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Speaker 5: to plummet.

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Speaker 2: On one condition, Todd, welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 5: What is the Trump Effect in twenty sixteen and is

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Speaker 5: it happening again?

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Speaker 4: The Trump Effect had the.

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Speaker 6: Effect of it was that just his campaign rhetoric during

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Speaker 6: twenty fifteen twenty sixteen caused illegal immigrants to stay home

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Speaker 6: and shelter in place because he was saying crackdown, crackdown,

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Speaker 6: big beautiful border wall, et cetera. So they stayed home.

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Speaker 6: The numbers dropped by eighty percent almost overnight, and then

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Speaker 6: once he got into office it really stayed down. But

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Speaker 6: I think that the rhetoric connection to illegal immigrant decision

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Speaker 6: We are not seeing the mad rushes that we thought

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Speaker 6: Tom Homan out there now with a football stadium sized bullhorn.

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Speaker 6: Screaming to the world, We're going to deport all of you.

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Speaker 6: We're deporting everybody. Get ready, don't get comfortable, that sort

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Speaker 6: of thing, And that has a very powerful effect on

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Speaker 6: I'm hoping that we are going to see this decline

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's a really important question Todd. Before we proceed.

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Speaker 5: Some people say, Oh, that's just rhetoric. Can you give

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Speaker 5: us more detail on how that resonates with any illegal

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Speaker 5: a fair assessment, Todd Bensmon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, that is the truth. That is what happens.

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Speaker 6: But what we saw, and I point out in the

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Speaker 6: They need to see actions behind the rhetoric. They need

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Speaker 6: watching on their cell phones. I've never met a migrant

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Speaker 4: That very thing.

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Speaker 6: We saw a piece in the New York Times just

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Speaker 6: like remain in Mexico, say third country, you know Title

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Speaker 4: Really what does the trick.

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Speaker 6: I think that we're very close to being able to

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Speaker 5: It's a remarkable statement, and you kind of said this

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Speaker 5: Deportations are threatened, they might just go back to their

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Speaker 6: I think that to a limited extent, that might work

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Speaker 5: So it's just amazing to me how overnight.

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Speaker 2: It's like flipping a switch.

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Speaker 5: We went from America is a pile of money to

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Speaker 5: loot and you could just come in all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, actually we're a country. So can you just

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Speaker 2: build that out, Todd.

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Speaker 5: We're only ten days into this. We're seeing caravans getting

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Speaker 5: broken up, and it's just it shows that it was

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Speaker 5: a lack of the will from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: It was a lack of the will.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't some sort of major crisis they couldn't figure out.

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Speaker 5: It was a lack of the will or even more sinister,

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Speaker 5: the will to do the opposite.

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Speaker 6: Todd, your thoughts right, This has always been a very

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Speaker 6: simple calculus. When immigrants think that they're going to get

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Speaker 6: the ten grand on smugglers to get in. But if

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Speaker 6: there's a pretty good chance that they're going to get

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Speaker 6: So when the Biden campaign, and I mean the campaign

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Speaker 6: They all heard that and came running. All they needed

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Speaker 8: Hey Charlie, thank you so much for everything you've done.

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Speaker 9: Hi Charlie, this is Nelly. I live in California, and

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Speaker 9: I'm wondering how Trump feels about CBDC, Central Bank and

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Speaker 5: I believe he made a campaign promise to eliminate CBDC.

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Speaker 10: I just want to send my serious thanks to you

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Speaker 10: Haven't had for a very long time under the Biden administration.

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Speaker 10: My question for you is, who would you like to

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Speaker 5: First of all, I love the question. I am not

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Speaker 5: Let me just tell you, I'm going to be here

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Speaker 5: every day, guys, leading the charge from the outside, organizing

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Speaker 5: I think Will is a terrific gun right. He's so

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Speaker 5: Caroline Levitt's a great choice, obviously. I don't think Alina

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Speaker 2: So we'll see we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm

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Speaker 1: Terrence Bates. President elect Donald Trump is continuing to put

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Speaker 1: In a statement announcing Collins's nomination, President Trump writing, we

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Speaker 1: More appointments and nominations could be announced today, will of

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Speaker 4: You know if and when that happens.

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Speaker 1: Meantime, President Trump's Attorney General, picking now former Florida Congressman

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Speaker 2: Charlie.

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Speaker 11: Thank you, thank you for your kind words. And I'm amazing.

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Speaker 11: You're probably the first person who was in Marlago last night.

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Speaker 11: He was await, so congratulations. Well, for the record, I

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Speaker 2: That makes it easier.

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Speaker 5: Mark, and I say those words because you've earned them,

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Speaker 5: of these new era political journalists with an agenda. You

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Speaker 5: have a very interesting take, which I agree with. You're

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Speaker 5: it's a contrarian, but it's true. You say, your base

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Speaker 5: case right now is that Donald Trump is going to

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Speaker 5: get his cabinets, specifically Matt Gates and Bobby Kennedy.

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Speaker 2: Please make the case to our audience.

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Speaker 11: Well, I don't think it's a sure thing, but I

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Speaker 11: The most of the media covers confirmation controversies, which is

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Speaker 11: what's I call perils of Pauline, which is like everything's

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Speaker 11: pating out of control and there's all these issues and

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Speaker 11: the person's never going to be confirmed. I think that

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Speaker 11: going to be difficult for four senators, which is what

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Speaker 11: it would take four Republicans to vote against these nominees.

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Speaker 11: There are five of them now that are controversial, that

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Speaker 11: want to shake things up, that have biographical and positions

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Speaker 11: from biographical facts and positions from their past that make

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Speaker 11: them not every senator's favorite choice. But the Trump campaign,

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Speaker 11: that Trump transition rather has not started to organize MAGA

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Speaker 11: case for them. And I think the media narrative leaves

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Speaker 11: out the fact that Bobby Kennedy was chosen for this

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Speaker 11: more efficient way. And Matt Gates was chosen for the

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Speaker 11: Justice Department. I'm not saying they're perfect people. I'm not

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Speaker 11: saying there are legitimate questions about their background. But I

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Speaker 11: think people are underestimating the extent to which MAGA will

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Speaker 11: one of them will respond to that.

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Speaker 2: No. And so that's an interesting point.

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Speaker 5: And it's a unique thing because the senators that very

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Speaker 5: these old bulls in their mid eighties have not experienced

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Speaker 5: this sort of combination of a mandate election. There happen

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Speaker 11: Well, look, there's the dynamic you and I have just

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Speaker 11: So there's a lot of pressure on them to support

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Speaker 11: at least or Caskio of Alaska, who are impervious to

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Speaker 11: need to be two. No more now Mitch McConnell. We

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Speaker 11: vote against them. They still need one more, but you

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Speaker 11: can imagine that happening. So again, I'm not saying it's

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Speaker 11: a sure thing. But what I'm saying is the tone

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Speaker 11: I have to cavey at this Charlie by saying, I

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Speaker 11: have extraordinarily good pro Trump sources on Capitol Hill, Iran

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Speaker 11: I'm not saying it's a sure thing. I'm just saying

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Speaker 11: And I still think the Prince coverage would lead you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's right.

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Speaker 5: And so just have we ever seen Mark in your

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Speaker 5: for a cabinet official and what does that look like?

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Speaker 5: What does it look like when the president really wants somebody?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so great question.

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Speaker 11: He's he's to have picked five fights that for any

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Speaker 11: Like this is it? He's picked five, and I think

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Speaker 11: there'll be more. Well, look what it looks like is

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Speaker 11: you pick someone who's called the confirmation shirpa, someone with

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Speaker 11: court them? When do we do a courtesy call? Who

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Speaker 11: This president is different than most presidents in this regard

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Speaker 11: in a lot of ways, but in this respect, if

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Speaker 11: presidence we'd be like, whoa, you know, I'm not sure

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Speaker 11: we can stand by this person anymore. Donald Trump, as

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Speaker 11: you know, he doesn't have that attitude. He'd be like,

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Speaker 11: you know, it's probably fake, maybe it's real. Who cares,

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Speaker 11: Let's move forward. So he'll fight for them more than

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Speaker 11: most presidents. The bar will be high for him to

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Speaker 11: give up on them, but they have to fight for

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Speaker 11: it too. Donald Trump expects we saw this with Bret Kavanaugh.

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Speaker 11: He expects his nominees who are under siege, whether it's

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Speaker 11: I think the group he's picked are a bunch of fighters.

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Speaker 11: I think all five of them are not going to

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Speaker 11: shrink away. However, it's a long process, long process, background check, confirmation,

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Speaker 11: courtesy calls, confirmation hearing, vote in committee, vote on the floor,

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Speaker 11: and again here from a lot of my sources, some

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Speaker 11: I think that's true. Every one of these folks is

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Speaker 11: going to go through as much as all five of

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Speaker 11: them have played at a high level in national life,

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Speaker 11: whether it's media or politics, or law or something else,

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Speaker 11: all five of them are almost certainly going to go

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Speaker 11: they've ever gotten. And that's not for everybody, it's not

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Speaker 11: for every family, But Donald Trump will be there for

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Speaker 11: them if they want.

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Speaker 2: To go forward. I suspect he'll be there for them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'll say this president trouble go to the

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Speaker 5: mat for them, especially if it's one that he made

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Speaker 2: If he felt as if he was.

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Speaker 5: Being strong armed by somebody else around him, then that

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Speaker 2: Would you agree with that? Mark? Great insight. It's absolutely

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Speaker 11: And to be honest, this personnel process has been, even

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Speaker 2: It's been Three's Company meets Game of Thrones.

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Speaker 11: Just everything's sprawled all over the place and people are

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Speaker 2: So I think you're right, there's some in this group

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Speaker 11: Wanted, he chose he will fight for them if it

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Speaker 11: He may not fight as hard, but I do think

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Speaker 11: he doesn't want to lose. But again, this is the

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Speaker 11: but he'll he'll switch on a diamond. Are we nominating next?

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Speaker 11: How are we going to get that person confirmed?

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Speaker 2: Next man up? And it's just it'll By the way,

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Speaker 5: News cycle, I mean, things last like twelve minutes right now.

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Speaker 2: The old the joke is.

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Speaker 5: I text I texted my buddy Pete Haig.

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Speaker 5: Know, I was like, you know, hey to me, is

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Speaker 2: Pete, don't worry.

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Speaker 5: Wait thirty minutes, reinforcements are coming and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: next thing, you know a lot of other announcements. Now,

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Speaker 5: want's talk about Pete Heiss right now as much so Mark,

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Speaker 5: We about a minute and a half here, tease it out.

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Speaker 5: I've been anticipating this kind of major shock wave and backlash,

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Speaker 2: Sure feels that way, Are we right? Well?

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Speaker 11: I think for now, and you hear that on my

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Speaker 2: Please.

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Speaker 12: It contrasts with Hillary Clinton's loss in twenty sixteen, where

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Speaker 2: Mark.

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Speaker 5: That's from your wonderful dialogue at more depth.

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Speaker 2: To that place.

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Speaker 11: Well that's Jill Abramson of the former editor of the

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Speaker 11: New York Times, who you know has a pretty good

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Speaker 11: feel for that community. And I think, uh, there's a

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Speaker 11: there's a a, it's a it's a weird combination of

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Speaker 11: in the resistance for ten years, and even as Joe

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Speaker 11: a lot of American discussion dialogue about it's kind of

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Speaker 11: popular culture, popular consciousness, and so I think there's so

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Speaker 11: much second guessing on the level of kind of tactics

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Speaker 11: of campaigns like Joe Biden staying in too long, or

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Speaker 11: was Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: The right person or did she run a good campaign?

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Speaker 11: But what some Democrats are realizing is the problem they

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Speaker 11: have is more profound. It's the alienation that occurred because

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Speaker 11: of the way the parties conducted itself on what Ronald

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Speaker 11: of the Republican Party on foreign policy with the forever Wars,

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Speaker 11: on economics without an agenda for the middle class that

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Speaker 11: like immigration trands that President Trump has done so well with.

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Speaker 11: I think we had a guy on two Way this

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Speaker 11: morning earlier today who is a young doctor, voted for

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Speaker 11: Barack Obama, he lives in Tennessee, who voted for Bobby Kennedy,

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Speaker 11: and he talked about his alienation from the Democratic Party

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Speaker 11: from the party is a big part of why I

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Speaker 11: think the Democrats are confused. They can't agree on what

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Speaker 11: went wrong, they can't agree on who to lead them,

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Speaker 11: and they can't agree on what the solution is to

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Speaker 11: get out of where they are now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and so they kind of need a truth and

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Speaker 5: reconciliation commission or something. I mean, at some point the

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Speaker 5: let me ask you this what the rank and file

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Speaker 5: In two minutes mark? What are the top the families,

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Speaker 5: what are they saying? Most of what they believe is

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Speaker 5: particularly on economics. And then most of them would say

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Speaker 5: true that all it would take would be to have

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Speaker 5: and win the White House in twenty twenty eight to

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 11: I don't see who that person is, and that's a

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Speaker 11: big ingredient. But they're hopeful that they can lay the

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Speaker 11: groundwork to do that, and they're hopeful that Donald Trump

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Speaker 11: will overreachion They read in these controversial nominations that we

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Speaker 11: that will give them the opportunity to get an audience

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I uh, that would make so much sense.

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Speaker 5: I don't see the Democrat Party shedding their far left

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Speaker 2: We'll see, we shall see.

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Speaker 5: I do not see that, especially in the air of

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Speaker 4: To the base.

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Speaker 2: your share your I share your skepticism. I share your skipticism.

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