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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center.

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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong and Jettie and

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Speaker 3: The CDC is warning of a deadly E Coli outbreak

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Speaker 3: linked to the McDonald's quarter pounder. At least forty nine

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Speaker 3: people in ten states have gotten sick between September twenty

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Speaker 3: seventh and October eleventh. McDonald's removing the sandwich from the

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Speaker 3: menu in affected areas, saying in a statement a subset

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Speaker 3: of illnesses may be linked to slivered onions used in

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Speaker 3: the quarter pounder and sourced by a single supplier that

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Speaker 3: serves three distribution centers.

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Speaker 4: I said to my son, how do I always order

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Speaker 4: the quarter pounder? He said, with no onions. We high five,

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Speaker 4: so I'm in the clear. I had texted my brother immediately.

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Speaker 4: He was a fan of the fast food. I said,

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Speaker 4: I've had a quarter pounder with cheese today. He said,

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Speaker 4: I haven't had one since Friday, so everything, Thanks God,

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Speaker 4: God of a funny response. Really, I haven't had one

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Speaker 4: in several days, so I'm okay.

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Speaker 2: Got the funky onions going.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's quite a deal for a lot of people

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Speaker 4: are a lot, But I've heard four or five different

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Speaker 4: people say kind of a coleincidence at McDonald's has a

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Speaker 4: Trump's at McDonald's, and then they claim this, So I

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Speaker 4: don't think they're related at all. Pretty big deal for

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Speaker 4: a major corporation like McDonald's, though, you got two large

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Speaker 4: a number of people that ended up in the hospital

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Speaker 4: and one person died.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a horrifying pr blow, not to mention,

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Speaker 2: you know, the loss of life.

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Speaker 4: Plus I love a quarter pounder with cheese, no onions.

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Speaker 4: That's a good burger. Well, that's a burger burger. Using

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Speaker 4: my finger quotes burger coming up. The latest claims that

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Speaker 4: Trump is Hitler from his former chief of staff. This

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Speaker 4: is I think I can attempt at an October surprise.

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Speaker 4: I mean, because they've had this information for years and

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Speaker 4: here's a new round of it coming out today and

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Speaker 4: we'll get to that on the way, so stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: Well it may be October. Well there you go. That settles.

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Speaker 2: It may be October. But I've been hearing T equals

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Speaker 2: H for a long time. Anyway, more analysis to come

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Speaker 2: in real life. People bringing this up to me a

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Speaker 2: lot the whole Menendez Brothers. You got the Netflix series,

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Speaker 2: and you got the documentary, and you got the actual

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Speaker 2: court case. Here we go.

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Speaker 5: Renewed and intense push to possibly get two of the

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Speaker 5: nation's most infamous convicted killers out of prison. Eric and

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Speaker 5: Lyle Menendez shot and killed their parents at their Beverly

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Speaker 5: Hills home in nineteen eighty nine. They were found guilty

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Speaker 5: of first degree murder in nineteen ninety six, but now

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Speaker 5: thirty five years later, some of their family members and

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Speaker 5: celebrity turned criminal justice for former advocate Kim Kardashian and

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Speaker 5: others say that the Menanda's brother's life sentences should be

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Speaker 5: re examined.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 5: A letter written months before the nineth teen eighty nine

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Speaker 5: murders has become a crucial new piece of the brother's

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Speaker 5: new fight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So before you want to hear from George Gascon,

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Speaker 4: before you explain what you think is going on here

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Speaker 4: or not?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Unholy loved child of Kermit the Frog and

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Speaker 2: Count Dracula. Yeah, go ahead, twenty one, Michael, I'm evaluating.

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Speaker 6: There's actually two different camps.

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Speaker 2: In my office.

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Speaker 6: I have a group of people, including some that were

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Speaker 6: involving the original trial that are adamant that they should

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Speaker 6: spend the rest of their life in prison and that

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Speaker 6: they were not molested. I have other people in the

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Speaker 6: office that believe actually that they probably were molested and

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Speaker 6: that they deserve to have some relief. I planned to

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Speaker 6: have a decision by the end of this week, which

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Speaker 6: is what I promised. We had a court time late

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Speaker 6: November on the Avias, but given the public attention to

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Speaker 6: this case, I've decided to try to come up with

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Speaker 6: a decision earlier than that, and I will.

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Speaker 2: This is a radical Marxist scumback desperately trying to hold

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Speaker 2: onto his job, George Giscone, who's bent on overwhelming the

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Speaker 2: legal system to bring it down and Russia in a

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Speaker 2: Marxist utopia. He believes in turning scumbags loose any chance

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Speaker 4: Oh and yeah, he's let all kinds of criminals get

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Speaker 4: you got to factor that into the whole Menandaz thing.

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Speaker 4: But so, the Menendez brothers shotgunned their parents to death,

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Speaker 4: were found guilty, been in prison a very very long time.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: There's claims with this Netflix series and all kinds of

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Speaker 4: different stuff that there's new information that they were so

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Speaker 4: violently sexually abused by specifically their dad, that you know,

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Speaker 4: that household. There's also information, Katie, you actually watched the series.

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Speaker 4: I was talking to somebody about this the other day,

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Speaker 4: and I'd forgotten this a fair amount of information that

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Speaker 4: they had been researching this sort of thing before they

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Speaker 4: killed their parents, about you know, how you justify these

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Speaker 4: sorts of murders, and going to the library and looking

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Speaker 4: where people had made these claims for sure premeditated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and their defense was premeditated. And just the legal

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Speaker 2: doctrine then is now, is that you can't kill somebody

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Speaker 2: in vengeance for abuse. You can to protect your own life. Now,

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Speaker 2: between then and now, harshness of sentencing thoughts on that

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Speaker 2: topic have changed. They may have gotten a somewhat lighter

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Speaker 2: sentence if indeed the sexual abuse had been agreed upon

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Speaker 2: by the court. Documentary. I'm a little stipulated.

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Speaker 4: I'm a little soft on the old vengeance thing.

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Speaker 2: I gotta admit, I know what you mean.

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Speaker 4: Some horrible scumbagger abuses you, and you finally decide that's it.

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Speaker 2: As a juror. Yeah, a lot of people feel that way,

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Speaker 2: and it's very brave of you to say that out loud. Ah,

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Speaker 2: But no, I know, I know what you mean. So

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Speaker 2: that's true. Of those things are true, So it's conceivable

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Speaker 2: you could find a judge who would soften the sentence.

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, as we mentioned a week or

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Speaker 2: opportunity to talk about sexual abuse, and it just they

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Speaker 2: never ever brought it up. And in the original trial,

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Speaker 2: according to the appeal judge, the evidence of that was

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Speaker 2: so thin it wasn't even worth discussing on a factual basis.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't even going to take it on, or the

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Speaker 2: So documentaries and the guy who did the documentary, this

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Speaker 2: is what he does. Take gruesome crimes and high profile

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Speaker 2: And I don't claim to have the be all and

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Speaker 2: Oh no, they're guilty as hell. They should be in jail.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be a tenth as compelling is the idea

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Speaker 2: of misplaced justice and these handsome boys are actually victims

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Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. So you emphasize the one thing

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Speaker 2: That's what he does for a living.

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Speaker 4: It's tough because if I heard some descriptions of what

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Speaker 4: they claim their dad was doing to him, and it's

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Speaker 4: pretty over the top horrific from the Netflix series, If

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you'd react.

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Speaker 4: You might not tell somebody when you're given the opportunity

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Speaker 4: to tell them, You just might not. That might be

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Speaker 2: I don't know, that's right. It's like people who can't

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Speaker 2: believe that a woman raped by Harvey Weinstein couldn't say

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Speaker 2: anything or bring it to the police. I don't believe her, now,

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Speaker 2: you don't. You don't get it. You haven't heard, read,

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Speaker 2: learned enough about victims, especially that sort of crime, and

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Speaker 2: in their minds and their hearts and the rest of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I you know, some of the stuff that's alleged is

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Speaker 2: quote unquote extreme, but any brand of child rape to me,

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Speaker 2: whatever you got coming, you got it coming now. But

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Speaker 2: she wanted to go into all the facts of the

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Speaker 4: They said, that's pretty hard to justify.

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Speaker 2: And when she survived the initial several shootings, they went out,

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Speaker 2: got more ammunition from the garage and everything he was reloaded.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I'd forgotten that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the AMMO was in the back of their car.

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Speaker 7: And at one point the investigators let I forget which

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Speaker 7: one of the brothers go out and actually take the

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Speaker 7: bag that had THEMO and the AMMO and the empty

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Speaker 4: So if Gash go and lets them out, does he

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Speaker 2: No, he's got to find a judge who like refers

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Speaker 2: don't know the exact terminology, but the judge said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's definitely reason to have a retrial and then guests

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Speaker 2: If I'm wrong, please hit us with an email mail

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Speaker 2: bag at Armstrong and Getty. Wow.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine the celebrity interview get that would be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting way to look at it.

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Speaker 4: We were going to roll on with more avern behavior,

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Speaker 4: but I feel like that's an awful lot for one segment.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's just if you haven't heard the story. The

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Speaker 2: Abercrombie and Fitch CEO, who's behind all those like sexualized,

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Speaker 2: like disturbingly young model advertising campaigns. He was a hardcore

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Speaker 2: core boy rapist and torturer and a monster, just a perverse,

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Speaker 4: Every single year the Abercrombie and Fitch catalog would come out,

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Speaker 4: was a music disc jockey. The catalog would come out

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Speaker 4: I always said, they're just jerking you around. They do

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Speaker 4: some stuff that's kind of a risque. So they get

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Speaker 4: all this media coverage and the main theme being Hey, everybody,

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Speaker 4: the new Abercrombie and Fitch catalog's out. It was a

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Speaker 4: whole bunch of free publicity. Turns out the guy is

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Speaker 4: actually a provo. I think, yeah, both are true, Both

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Speaker 4: are true, but he wasn't just manipulating the media. It's

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Speaker 4: actually like really bad, like Ditty.

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Speaker 2: Bad, h Harvey Weinstein bad, Jeffrey Epstein bad. And I

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Speaker 2: think the theme here is that if you are powerful

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Speaker 2: and you are rich, people will, for fear or favor,

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to bring anybody down or freak anybody out,

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Speaker 4: But he has slaves currently, he'd have to currently have slaves.

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Speaker 2: But here's a little bit of that here than ones.

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Speaker 4: If you know history, there's no way you could possibly

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Speaker 2: That's exactly the wrong lesson. I have spent my entire

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Speaker 4: I think it's important enough to it's going to be

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Speaker 2: Right? So I've got a number of thoughts on the topic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Hitler got elected for almost everything he did up

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Speaker 10: Wrong is that he did lots of things good and

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Speaker 2: Now, if you're a stupid, freaking moron, you're thinking Joe

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Speaker 2: The question is how to free societies give themselves over

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Speaker 4: I'd be shocked if there wasn't some coordination on that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure there was. I'm sure there was two.

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Speaker 2: hit the hole he's a fascist, he's going to overthrow

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Speaker 2: a democracy thing. We got some help for you.

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Speaker 4: Interesting thing to do from a journalism standpoint, also is

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Speaker 4: if you have a big time story about one of

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Speaker 4: the candidates, you wait until you think it would have

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Speaker 4: maximum effect on swaying the election one way or another,

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Speaker 4: which is not exactly doing journalism.

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Speaker 2: No, I'll but they could argue semi disingenuously. Well, that's

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Speaker 2: when it's gonna have the great impact as a story too,

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Speaker 2: because interest is at fever.

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Speaker 4: Pole when we would sell the most issues of our magazine. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I suppose you make that flegs, etc. I don't think

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Speaker 4: that's the reason.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know. My final thought on this topic, and

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Speaker 2: I made it earlier, is that I understand the concerns

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Speaker 2: about Trump and his tendencies and his lack of historical

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Speaker 2: perspective on the importance of the presidency and the Constitution

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. It bothers me a lot about

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Speaker 2: the guy, but I think the smartest, best people in

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Speaker 2: the Republican Party will restrain his worst impulses. And I

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Speaker 2: think the smartest, best people in the Democratic Party will

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Speaker 2: encourage Kamala Harris's worst impulses toward undermining the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 2: ending the filibuster, trampling on free speech, which I tell

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Speaker 2: you what, you wanted to see me go down fight

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Speaker 2: and come after my free speech. Anyway, I think you're

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Speaker 2: right about that.

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Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time thinking about this last night,

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Speaker 4: actually because I have friends who who are so worried

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Speaker 4: about Trump, anti Trump, who are conservatives. I just am

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Speaker 4: not worried about damage he can do as president. I'm

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Speaker 4: just not And I don't know if I'm naive, but

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Speaker 4: I'm not. I really don't think our system would allow

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Speaker 4: a guy. I mean, like, I one hundred percent think

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Speaker 4: our system doesn't allow a guy to all of a

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Speaker 4: sudden take over the military and become a dictator.

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Speaker 2: It'd be impossible, right right, accommodation of the strength of

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Speaker 2: our institutions and constitution. Well, now that's really that. I

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Speaker 2: can end it there. Our institutions are strong enough to

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Speaker 2: withstand something like that. If indeed Trump and the story,

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Speaker 2: the narrative is, instead of the John Kellys and John

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Speaker 2: Bolton's of the world, for instance, He's going to have

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Speaker 2: all sycophants this time who are willing to do his

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Speaker 2: every bidding, no matter how nutty. But even if that

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Speaker 2: were the case, if there was, for instance, I mean,

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Speaker 2: just for instance, if he decides he is going to

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Speaker 2: make the Justice Department purely a tool of his vengeance

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Speaker 2: against those he perceives as having wronged him, and a

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Speaker 2: lot of them have freaking wronged him, he's right. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: if it crossed the line into something that was untoward

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Speaker 2: on that'sy cale, you'd see a mass resignation of attorneys

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Speaker 2: and all sorts of people around the country. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it would, it would bring the DOJ to a halt. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know that we're getting way out of this.

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Speaker 4: Should be podcast stuff, probably long drawn out, dry podcast

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Speaker 4: stuff that people do for three hours.

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Speaker 2: But I grew up with.

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Speaker 4: A sort of a fascination around Watergate because it happened

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Speaker 4: when I was a little kid, didn't fully understand it,

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Speaker 4: and then it was always portrayed as such a horror

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Speaker 4: in how he came so close to losing the country

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Speaker 4: and everything like that my whole life, and then when

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Speaker 4: I got old enough to fully understand it, we didn't

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Speaker 4: come close at all. He had several attorney generals in

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Speaker 4: a row resign saying I'm not doing that. I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to do that, which is what would happen under Trump.

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Speaker 2: Also right right, keeping in mind the senatorial approval of

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Speaker 2: various posts that the president might try to fill. But no,

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Speaker 2: I just I don't see it going very far. Do

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Speaker 2: I worry sometimes about Trump and his impulses? Yeah, absolutely so, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Do I worry more about Kamala Harrison progressive policies in

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Speaker 2: the ways polluting the heart and mind of America, not

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Speaker 2: to mention, ushering in millions of Venezuela and gang members

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Speaker 2: and god knows what else. Yeah, I find that a

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Speaker 2: much more direct and immediate threat.

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Speaker 4: So a couple of other things to pass along to

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Speaker 4: you from this amazing video cast that I watched last

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Speaker 4: night with a whole bunch of insiders. One that idea

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Speaker 4: that if early voting holds up the way it is,

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Speaker 4: Trump's gonna win quite easily.

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Speaker 2: Whether it holds up or not, don't know.

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Speaker 4: And look for a turn, they said Republican and Democrat

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Speaker 4: strategists starting probably at least by this weekend, where they

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Speaker 4: start saying, look, we're gonna lose. You need to turn out,

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Speaker 4: getting away from the you know well, just flat out

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Speaker 4: saying it. I mean, this is your hail Mary desperate

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Speaker 4: sort of thing, admitting you're losing.

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Speaker 2: Going from where the underdog where the plucky up starts,

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Speaker 2: we're changed to hey, we're about to lose. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And also to see a turn by congress people starting

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Speaker 4: to make the argument, hey, we need to be the

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Speaker 4: check on Trump, so you need to vote for me

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Speaker 4: a congress person. If if you're going out to vote

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Speaker 4: for you know, Trump, vote for me as a Democrat

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Speaker 4: for your congress person to be a check on Trump,

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Speaker 4: that they might finally do that.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. As I mentioned earlier, all the Wall Street guys

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Speaker 2: and hedge fun guys that are making big bets that

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Speaker 2: Trump's going to be the winner, betting huge stacks of money,

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Speaker 2: not literally bets, but you know what I mean, investments.

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Speaker 4: Thirteen days ago. Though a fair number of things could

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Speaker 4: happen in thirteen days. I'm shocked how much it's moved

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Speaker 4: in the last thirteen or the previous thirty.

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Speaker 2: What a wild ride.

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Speaker 4: This whole thing has been, and it just won go ahead.

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Speaker 4: I think it would be good if somebody were declared

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Speaker 4: the winner on election day I just think that would

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Speaker 4: be a calming thing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we haven't even mentioned a robust, manly American

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Speaker 2: foreign policy, although I'm a little concerned about Ukraine. And

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Speaker 2: also what was the other issue that oh in energy independence,

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Speaker 2: which underpins virtually the entire economy. Didn't even mention that

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Speaker 2: issue versus Trump sometimes wants to issue orders they go

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Speaker 2: around Congress.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Trump's doing Joe Rogan on Friday. He doesn't need to.

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of surprised. I think he's doing it to

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Speaker 4: try to you know, cause there was Taka Kamala doing

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Speaker 4: it and she has I was just gonna ask what

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Speaker 4: happened with him. Yeah, so I think he's doing Rogan

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Speaker 4: to try to have it. Okay, I did Rogan, You're

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Speaker 4: gonna do Rogan. You know she tried the same thing

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Speaker 4: with sixty minutes. I can give you an example of

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Speaker 4: why maybe he didn't do sixty minutes. This thing from

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Speaker 4: the CBS Evening News from the other night. Give you

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Speaker 4: an idea how biased they are. It's crazy. Among other

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Speaker 4: things we've got coming up, listen to this.

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Speaker 11: Tonight, in Detroit, at a Harris campaign event, Eminem introduced

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Speaker 11: former President Obama. Eminem and Obama yep, and between them

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Speaker 11: the average out to talking at a normal speed.

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Speaker 2: Mom's spaghetti.

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Speaker 4: I found that amusing. Oh so I just went back

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Speaker 4: and watched a little of the morning version of the

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Speaker 4: political podcast I watched, where they re brought up the

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Speaker 4: fact that there's a story floating out there about Trump

568
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Speaker 4: that would end his campaign. Mark Alprin doesn't believe it's real.

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Speaker 4: No other outlet has picked it up either. I can't

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Speaker 4: imagine what that would be because Trump has had so

571
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Speaker 4: many actual things occur that he's weathered easily, because I

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Speaker 4: think he's gonna get elected again. Can't imagine what would

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Speaker 4: be so strong it would end his campaign, you know,

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Speaker 4: a week out when he's winning.

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Speaker 2: What could it possibly be?

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Speaker 4: Anyway, they also mentioned there's a story out there floating

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Speaker 4: around about Tim Walls that would end his campaign regarding

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Speaker 4: something to do with ties to Russia that they also

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Speaker 4: believe is not true. But the point being that there's

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Speaker 4: gonna be a bunch of stuff coming in this last

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Speaker 4: dozen days or so from all kinds of places, including

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Speaker 4: Russia and China and Iran. We all need to remember

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Speaker 4: that even if it's something that helps our favorite candidate,

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Speaker 4: we do not want our enemies influencing our elections.

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Speaker 2: That ain't good, right, right, just stirring the pot in

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Speaker 2: general worth mentioning. Speaking of dishonest stories, we featured the

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Speaker 2: ad yesterday of a nice old lady right before NBC

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Speaker 2: News saying Donald Trump keeps talking about cutting Social Security.

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Speaker 2: I need that money to live.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Trump hasn't uttered a word about cutting Social Security. In fact,

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Speaker 2: the opposite.

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Speaker 4: I wish he would.

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Speaker 2: So that's how dishonest it is now at this point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so many official stuff is dishonest and misleading, as

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Speaker 4: it always has been in politics and always will be.

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Speaker 4: And then you got who knows what story's floating around

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Speaker 4: and uh so many pointing out Jeffrey Goldberg may have

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Speaker 4: just finished his journalism on the whole Trump Hitler story

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Speaker 4: and it came out today.

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Speaker 2: But probably not come on to give you an idea.

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Speaker 2: He was shouting at his staff. We've got to wrap

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Speaker 2: up this Trump Hitler thing. It's mid October and we

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Speaker 2: just got the start. No stop it.

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Speaker 4: Nazi Germany prey meditated to give you an idea how

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Speaker 4: all in the mainstream media is for one side or another.

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Speaker 4: This is from Monday Evenings CBS Evening News with Nora O'Donnell.

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Speaker 4: She was one of the moderators from the last debate,

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Speaker 4: and so this is covering a whole big week, you know,

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Speaker 4: second to last weekend before the presidential election, lots of

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Speaker 4: campaigning going on. Here's how she summarizes both candidates.

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Speaker 12: A selection day is just over two weeks away, and

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Speaker 12: the fight for every single last undecided vote in battleground

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Speaker 12: states is intensifying. Vice President Kamala Harris's targeting disaffected Republican

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Speaker 12: voters by hitting the trail with Liz Cheney in the

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Speaker 12: crucial blue wall states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Cheney

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Speaker 12: was a powerful Republican congresswoman and today she called Harris

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Speaker 12: a responsible adult. As for former President Donald Trump, he

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Speaker 12: was back in North Carolina again pushing false claims about

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Speaker 12: FEMA and immigrants, as after he spent the weekend slinging

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Speaker 12: a crude insult at Harris, engaging in lewd locker room

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Speaker 12: talk about the late golfing legend Arnold Palmer, and staging

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Speaker 12: a campaign stunt at a Pennsylvania McDonald's.

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Speaker 4: That is almost impossible to believe that it actually happened

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Speaker 4: to that level.

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Speaker 2: If that had been written by the DNC. How would

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Speaker 2: it have been different.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it would be at all, unless they

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Speaker 4: might have said that's too much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to ease up. It's too obvious. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: I'll see you, Nora O'Donnell's big hair and I'll raise

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Speaker 2: you Lester Holt's sonorous voice.

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Speaker 1: Same night tonight, the race for the White House, both

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Speaker 1: candidates blitzing the battlegrounds were just fifteen days to go,

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Speaker 1: with Poles showing a dead heat. Vice President Kamala Harrison,

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Speaker 1: former President Donald Trump going all in on swing states,

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Speaker 1: Mister Trump criss crossing North Carolina, repeating falsehoods about the

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Speaker 1: response to Hurricane Helene and declining to denounce violent threats

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Speaker 1: to FEMA workers Wow, and Trump's supporter Elon Musk, raising

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Speaker 1: concerns by offering million dollar giveaways to voters. Miss Harris

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Speaker 1: today barnstorming three battlegrounds Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin alongside Republican

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Speaker 1: Liz Cheney. Why Cheney says even women who are anti

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Speaker 1: abortion like she is, should back Miss Harris.

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Speaker 4: On freaking Believe Tonight on the Kamala News Network, What

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Speaker 4: you just heard unbelievable. I could write in like a minute,

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Speaker 4: the opposite way to handle that, and it would be

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Speaker 4: just as true, or a neutral one, or a neutral

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Speaker 4: one if you wanted to be a journalist. God, that

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Speaker 4: is incredible. If you miss an hour of this show,

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Speaker 4: we do four every day. If you miss an hour,

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