1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sex DJ Bucky 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: together in studio in Los Angeles. Buck, how you doing, man? Man, 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: I'm good. I am great today because this gives me 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: an opportunity to do one of the things that I 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: love to do. We get a chance to look at 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: your mock draft. This is what three point o version now, 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: and I get an opportunity to ask you some I guess, 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: some pressing questions, you know, hot debates. Yeah, we're gonna 10 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into this mock draft here. We're also 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: gonna have Jeremy Chen, great young safety for the Carolina Panthers, 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: is going to join us here on the back end 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: of that. But I do want to start out with 14 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: one question mock draft related. Do you know why we 15 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: do a point? Oh? I guess it's really not necessary, right, 16 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: It's not like there's a three point one or a 17 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: three point two or three point three. It's just mock 18 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: draft three. I don't know. It just reminds me of 19 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: being in high school when everyone had the Mustang gts, 20 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: the five point zeros and so okay, I always think 21 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: about it like that. I think about being in high 22 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: school with your with your ragtop down. I mean, so 23 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: I just think about I just think about I just 24 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: think about the Mustang and rolling through and being onto 25 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: the freeway kind of crewise. Yeah, they don't call it 26 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: rocky three point zero rocky three, but I don't know. 27 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: I got mock draft three point z is here, So 28 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna jump into it. We're gonna jump into it 29 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: here with the first overall pick, uh, and that is 30 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. They launch up to number one. Got 31 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm taking Bryce Young and I think we're on the 32 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: same page here and thinking that it's gonna go Stroud, Young, 33 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: Young Stroud. You know one of those two is going 34 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: to be the first overall pick. It feels that way. 35 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: I do want to push back on a little bit 36 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: of the talking point here because I'm sure you've seen 37 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: this of who has uh you know who, Frank Reich 38 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: has been around, and it's the bigger quarterback, so that 39 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: means he's gonna take a bigger quarterback. And I believe 40 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: you even push back on that with Fitterer talking about 41 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: how it Scot Fitterer had come from Seattle where they 42 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: had Russell Wilson, who's you know, same size here as 43 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: Bryce Young. The other point I would make is it's 44 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: not like Frank Reich was making those picks. No, he 45 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: didn't pick Phil Rivers. He didn't you know, he didn't 46 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: make these selections. He's the coach. This is who they 47 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: give you, the coach, you coach him up. So to me, 48 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: I think I pushed back a little bit of that, 49 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: saying that he has a type and there's only one 50 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: size quarterback he's gonna favor. No. I think when you're 51 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: Frank right, what you want coming out of the experience 52 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: that he had in Indianapolis, he wants someone who can 53 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: dominate the game from the quarterback position. And in dominating 54 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: the game, it's more than just being the guy who 55 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: has the biggest arm or as the prototypical dimensions. It's 56 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: about seeing the game the right way. It's about making 57 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: plays and the clutch. It's about making the play caller 58 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: right when things go awry in the middle of a play. 59 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: And so when you're Frank Right and you understand how 60 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: important it is to have that guy leading your team, yeah, 61 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: he's going to look beyond just the physical dimension he's 62 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: gonna look at the traits that are essential to playing 63 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: the game, and we always talk about accuracy, decision making, 64 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: big time ability, and pressure moments. All of those things 65 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: will fact into the situation. That's why I don't think 66 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: you can write anybody's name into the equation because you 67 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: still digging through trying to figure out which guy has 68 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: all those trades. Yeah, I'm gonna take this approach this year, 69 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: and with mock drafts and that you talk to guys, 70 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: you get information. I always say I do mock drafts 71 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: with my ears. I do your top fifth of this 72 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: with my eyes. And that's the way I've done it. 73 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: I will say though, this year, when you when there's 74 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: conflicting information coming in, just kind of go with your 75 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: gut and trust you know what you think. I go 76 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: back to, you know, the forty nine ers that year 77 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: and when they made the trade. Immediate when they made 78 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: the trade, I thought, you know, this is going to 79 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: be tree Lands. They kind of had. He gives them 80 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: something different fent you know what, and he's been hurt. 81 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: We haven't seen if that's going to work out. But 82 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: in terms of who they were going to pick, that 83 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: made the most sense. But then everything you hear, everybody's 84 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: telling you mac Jones, mac Jones, mac Jones, mac Jones, 85 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: So you end up going in that direction, and of 86 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: course they end up taking Trey Lance. So I know 87 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: what's been said, and I know, you know people are 88 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: making this connection with Frank ryk in size and all 89 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I'm just saying to me, Bryce 90 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: Young's the best quarterback. Bryce Young makes those exes and 91 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: ohs come alive off the paper with the way he plays. 92 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: So that's why I had him going on. Well, I mean, 93 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: it makes sense, and I think this debate will go 94 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: on up into a day or two before the draft 95 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: in terms of deciding which players the best fit for 96 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. We'll have an opportunity to see all 97 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: those guys work out at Pro Day. You can check 98 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: that out this week on NFL Plus. We have Pro 99 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: Day specials going over. We'll see c J. Stroud and 100 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: Bryce Young and Will Levis work out this weekend and 101 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson next week. But yeah, there's plenty of work 102 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: still to be done, so we'll see if Frank right 103 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: gus his choice. By the way, Anthony Richardson's Pro Day 104 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: that little nervous on that one. That's opening day, man, 105 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be able to get Anthony richardson Pro 106 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: Day done in the morning on the West Coast, get 107 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: in the car and uh and watch the twenty twenty 108 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: three World Series champs kick things off here Une. See. 109 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: You know what I love about this. We've been doing 110 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: this for so long. It always it starts the same 111 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: every year. There's all this enthusiasm, there's all this bravado. 112 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: You might so like, I mean, you're bat flipping in April, 113 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: but then come October like it's it's always it's always 114 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: quiet over there's always quiet on on your Twitter handle 115 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And because this last ch last year, 116 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: live it out, you live it out in real time 117 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: via Twitter, and everyone can see the struggles. Man. Look, 118 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: I just hope the best for you this year, because 119 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: if they can't do it this year, I don't know 120 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: if they ever do it. Now. We were I mean, 121 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly when that series ended with your Dodgers, 122 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: I think we were handing out plane tickets on the 123 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: way out. How you guys have a nice vacation, get 124 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: get getting going. But it didn't a nice time. But 125 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: it didn't result in anything. No, he didn't result in 126 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: a ring, and it did not. That's why that happens 127 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: this year. That's why it happens this year. So Stroud 128 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: to the Texans, you know again, they're gonna get Bryce 129 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: Young or CJ. Short. I don't think that there's I 130 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: don't think there's a trade up there. I know people 131 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: have said, oh, Carolina went up to one, and maybe 132 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: they could. They're not gonna get cute. You don't get 133 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: cute when you're the Carolina Panthers. That means Houston's gonna 134 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: stick and pick and know that they're gonna get younger Stroud. Yeah, 135 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: and I think so. And if you Houston, you have 136 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: to be comfortable with taking both guys. You put it 137 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: in the cal Shanahan offense. Both of these guys can 138 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: execute that offense. Bryce or CJ. Strout. You just sit 139 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: and pick whoever the Panthers elected bypass will take them. 140 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: Tobfr Jess quarterback. We figure out a way to get 141 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: it right. Yeah, and I like c J. Straud alot. Again. 142 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: The other thing I pushed back on on mock drafts 143 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: and on player rankings is if you like one player, 144 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: you must hate the other. No, they're both good. They're 145 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: both really good players Arizona. I think this could be 146 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: a trade. I don't do trades and mock drafts, but 147 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: I had them taking Will Anderson. I think Will Anderson's 148 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: going to benefit from a couple of things. Obviously what's 149 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: taking place with Jalen Carter. You know at least that 150 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,559 Speaker 1: situation has been resolved, yes, with him, but I still 151 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: think it impacts hit where he goes in the draft. 152 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: And I would say, gosh, if we could have seen 153 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: Tybree Wilson move around to combine, I think he would 154 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: have created all kind of buzzing and maybe he ends 155 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: up leep frogging. Will Anderson couldn't do that. I think 156 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: Will Anderson is we always say buck double off the wall, 157 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: right off the wall, you stand up double. You don't 158 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: have to worry about it. You know exactly what he 159 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: is as a player. You also know the football character 160 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: checks off very well, and so I like him at 161 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: number three. There's on a Cardinal's need players in any passers, 162 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: so it makes sense, all right, we get the four 163 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. That was a choice between Levis and Richardson. 164 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: And again I don't have a. I don't have a 165 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: great feel on what they'll do thereween those two guys. 166 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: It's a coin flip to me. I just thought Richardson 167 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: with the upside that he possesses, and just then unbelievable 168 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: athletic ability to go along with. You know, the same 169 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: arm strength that Will Levis has. Richardson has that plus 170 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: a little bit more. He's a more dynamic runner. So selfishly, 171 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: I want to see that Colts offense, what it would 172 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: look like with Jonathan Taylor in the backfield. With Anthony Richardson, 173 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna run some zone read have fun. If you're 174 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: the unblocked defensive end. You know. The only thing I'll 175 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: say about Anthony Richson going to the Coles if you're 176 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: a Coles fan, you're talking about being drastically different than 177 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: any kind of quarterback that you've seen. You've had years 178 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: of paid Manny Andrew Luck, you just finished off with 179 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. This is unlike anything that you've seen at 180 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,119 Speaker 1: the position for the last twenty twenty five years. It'll 181 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: take a little time to adjust to Anthony Richon and 182 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: his style of play come to Indianapolis, but it would 183 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: be a lot of fun to pair him with Jonathan Taylor, 184 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: No doubt, Jalen Carter just feels like a Pete Carroll, 185 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, dream fit I mean Seattle. I mean why 186 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: not because they take players and they believe in their 187 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: plan and they believe in their culture. Yeah, I mean, 188 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: so they believe that they have the right spot for 189 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: j Carter to maybe coming there and flourish. And from 190 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: a fit standpoint, he fits how they want to play. 191 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: On defense, they need to get better against the run. 192 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: They also need someone who may have some pass rushed 193 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: potential on the inside. Jelen Carter would be they would 194 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: run the card up in my estimation if he's there 195 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: in available at five. All right, we've got Devin Witherspoon 196 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: corner going to the Lions at six. Tyree Wilson. You 197 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: know the fact that they have Garoppolo. Now, I thought, look, 198 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: they can still take a quarterback. They could still trade 199 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: up and take a quarterbacks op the boar form different scenario. 200 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: I want to kind of create a little different scenario 201 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: and let's let's play the game or one of these 202 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: quarterbacks slides and see what that looks like. So I'm 203 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: taking Tyree Wilson edge rusher out of Texas Tech, we 204 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: get to eight Christian Gonzalez. I mean, I feel pretty 205 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: good about the fact that Gonzalez and Witherspoon. I think 206 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: both those guys end up going to the top ten 207 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: and whatever order they come off the board, both guys 208 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: are terrific cover corners. And the difference to me is 209 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: just to physicality. Even though it's funny when you look 210 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: at Witherspoon, he's one hundred eighty one pounds, so you 211 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: talk about how light he is, fist he is fisty, 212 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: sticks his nose in there. He's not afraid of the contact. 213 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: He delivers the smoke when it's required. And when you 214 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: look at his skills, perhaps maybe the best combination of footwork, quickness, 215 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: turn transition in ball skills that you're fine and I 216 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: can throw as many sprolos out there for crist Gonzalez 217 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: because he is terrific playing in space, playing off the ball, 218 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: making plays. The only thing to me to decide in 219 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: fact that is the physicality tackling. I won't say toughness, 220 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: but some of that comes into play. When you look 221 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: at Detroit's pick at six, that will be devil with this. Yeah, 222 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: it spins like a cobrat man like he just kind 223 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: of spoils it. Then he goes man. He is fun 224 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: to watch. What a really fun player to watch play 225 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: the Bears. I love this for them. They get to nine, 226 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: they get Scronsky, who can play right tackle if you 227 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: needed him to slide inside at any point in time, 228 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: wherever your need is, wherever your fit is, he's better. 229 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: He's better than what they have at right tackle right now. 230 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: So I'd plug him in at right tackle and off 231 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: we go. But he could play. I think he's literally 232 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: a five position. He could plaining where you want on 233 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: the offensive line. And the good thing you all he 234 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: do is drive across town like he does a short trip. 235 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: Take a guess, get him up there. It makes it 236 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: easy for everybody involved. Yeah, easy, easy expense report there. 237 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: Lucas Van asked the Philadelphia Eagles. I know, uh, yeah, man, 238 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: I do this with all these mock dress I want 239 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: I want them to take be John Robinson. If I 240 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: was in the building as I once was, I would 241 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: lobby for it. I would be pushing, pushing for it, 242 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: and they would say, we don't do that. We don't 243 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: take running backs in the top ten. We don't take 244 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: running backs in the first round. That said, they've always 245 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: loaded up on pass rushers and pass protectors and Lucas Vanes. 246 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: People will look at the combine and think that he 247 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: is a workout warrior, but he's more than that. A 248 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: couple of things that play in his favor outstanding energy, 249 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: relentless pursuer off the edges, has some versatility to go 250 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: inside and outside, which makes them valuable, particularly when you 251 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: think about a NASCAR package where you put your four 252 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: best pass rushes on the field and just the worker 253 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: be fits the culture. You put him behind those guys 254 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: that've had like it works and you still may have 255 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: the luxury of doing what you did last year with 256 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: Jordan Davis a Meani Richard years. So he can develop 257 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: kind of on the practice field, get ready to take 258 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: on a bigger role, but he doesn't have to take 259 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: the bigger role right now. They can roll guys through 260 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: and again they bring back Brandon Graham and Fletcher Cox. 261 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: Those are both one year deals. That's gonna probably be 262 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: it for both those veterans. So even though they have 263 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: some good young pieces as Son Reddick's not going anywhere, 264 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: They're commitment to him and what he's done. You mentioned 265 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: Jordan Davis. There's some nice pieces. You look at Sweat 266 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: on the opposite side. He can rush. They just they 267 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: don't believe you can have too many rushers there in Philly. 268 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: All right, let's rip through eleven through fifteen. I'll give 269 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: you the names here, Buck and then maybe pick out 270 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: a couple of the interest show. I've got Jackson Smith 271 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: and Jigba. He goes to the Tennessee Titans at eleven, 272 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: first receiver off the board. The Texans take Miles Murphy 273 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: at a Clemson edge rusher. The Jets, I'll explain that 274 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: one in a minute, but they go Nolan Smith, edge 275 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: rusher from Georgia, New England Patriots be Jean Robinson. That's 276 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: where his fall ends, right there. If one of the 277 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: time players in the draft running back out of Texas, 278 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: and then fifteen Paris Johnson to the Green Bay Packers. 279 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: Man interesting pick, So let's go right to it. Nolan 280 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: Smith going to New York Jets, who should particularly have 281 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in place. Well, what do we think of 282 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: with the Dolan Smith? Well, I'll tell you this. The 283 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: fact that McKay Beckton has got himself an unbelievable shape. 284 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: I've seen some recent pitches of him. He's lost a 285 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: ton of weight. He looks great. If they can get 286 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: him back on the field and healthy, that is a 287 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: big thing. Max Mitchell, who did some good things when 288 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: he was on the field last year before he got 289 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: hurt as a rookie. I think he gives you a 290 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: starting caliber right tackle as well. You look at Dwayne 291 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: Brown is still on this roster, even though he's older. 292 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: You've got three guys. I think you know, everybody's kind 293 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: of looking at them as taking a tackle, and that 294 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: very well could happen. But I don't think it's one 295 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: of those things where you're like, man, if we have 296 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: a higher grade on an edge rusher, we're going to 297 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: bypass him and take a tackle. I don't think that's 298 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: the case. So Nolan Smith, again, you look at their 299 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: defensive front. People say we have so much there yet 300 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: Bryce huf is a restricted free agent right now, so 301 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: he's not gonna be there a lot longer. They I'm 302 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: gonna be able to pay him. He'll get a bunch 303 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: of money. Karl Lawson. It's potential salary cap casualty. So 304 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: even though you have Jermaine Johnson and you know obviously 305 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: what they have inside with quinnin and they've got a 306 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: lot of guys. I still think that there's there's reason 307 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: to take a premier guy if you think he's a 308 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: premier guy. Yeah, nothing wrong with taking premier guys. You 309 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: can't take enough, can't have enough pass rushers in blue 310 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: chair players on the front line defensive league. Thinking about 311 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: chasing that division. You look at the Dolphins offense to 312 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's offense, and they have the Remay Patriots. You're 313 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: the Jets. You still have to keep stacking strength on 314 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: strength on defense side of the ball. All right, let's 315 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: get through. I'll get you through a couple more here, 316 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: we'll get the twenty, then we'll take a break. Commanders 317 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaide and you've got a great comp on that 318 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: that we discussed previously. The Steelers get Broderick Jones, a 319 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: big tackle from Georgia as they continue to remake their 320 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: offensive line. The Lions get Collijah. Can't see interesting connection 321 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: there with that pick. At Tampa Bay gets Will Levis. 322 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: That's where the slide ends. Touch on that here in 323 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: a moment. And at twenty Seattle with their second first 324 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: round pick, gets Jordan Addison from USC wide receiver. Yeah, 325 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: really interesting. These five picks we talked about Don Kincaid. 326 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: I like him to Chris Cooley. Reminds me of Chris 327 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: Cooley in terms of how he moves around and makes plays. 328 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: It's interesting because Chris Cooley went to Utah State. He 329 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: goes to Utah. So we're talking about liking big time 330 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: age back. But the pick for me that stands out 331 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: when I look at this list Elijah Cancy going to 332 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions. He was the star of the combine 333 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: because of the athleticism that he displayed running blazing that 334 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: time in the forty He goes to Pittsburgh, plays in 335 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: the shadow of Aaron Donald because he's a shorter defensive 336 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: tackle and so there's some similarities there. But why Colijah 337 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: Cancy going to the Detroit Lions. Lions general manager Brad Holmes. 338 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: Where was Brad Holmes before he was in Detroit? Oh, 339 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: he might have been to La Ram. He was with 340 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: the La Rams. Oh, Aaron Donald plays for the Ram 341 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: So so we got baby baby Aaron Donald going to 342 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: see oh in that role and so, and again I 343 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: make point of saying this, he's not Aaron Donald. Nobody's 344 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. Aaron donalds one of one. He's a unicorn. 345 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: But this is somebody that can play that role for them. 346 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: And when you have what they have with James Houston, 347 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: what he did as a rookie last year on the 348 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: opposite side of Aidan Hudson and a phenomenal rookieyear. You've 349 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: got those two young guys and now we're gonna put 350 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: one in the middle that can really go. We're talking 351 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: about dude was in the four sixes. He tested like 352 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. Now he's not as long and he's not 353 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: as powerful as Aaron Donald, but in terms of being 354 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: able to get on get on a shoulder, and get 355 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: up the field, Colijah cants to be fun that that 356 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: Detroit team. We'll see what they do in this draft. 357 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: But there's the offense has already got a lot a 358 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: lot going for it. I think, now, man, you could 359 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: get this defense really gassed up. You talk about gassed 360 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: update that they've already remade their entire second year. The 361 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: guys that they brought over, you know, Cam Suddon talked 362 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: about Chauncey Gardner Johnson coming over, but they upfront, you're 363 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: able to get some help and young help, because remember 364 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: Aidan Hudginson, James Houston thereon Rooks, they'd be second year players. 365 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: You go get a guy like Elijah Canson. Now you're 366 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: talking about a young core growing together. And he's not 367 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, but man, he flashes. When you watch the tape, 368 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: he wears people out with his first step quickness, snapcount, anticipation, 369 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: the way that he works on edges. He could be 370 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: a handful of particularly I just see them on third 371 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: down with Houston and Hutcheson and Cassie just run around 372 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: making plays. It could certainly work in Detroit and to 373 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: put that Detroit thing, to put a bow on it. Also, 374 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: Malcolm Rodriguez lineback is a really good Playgo yes, there 375 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: you go. Kirby Joseph Safety out of Illinois. Now I 376 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: got them taking his teammate from Illinois and Devin Witherspoon 377 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: and I want we didn't touch on that one much 378 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: at the top, but I want to hit you on this. 379 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: A g Aaron Glenn defensive coordinator. You think he might 380 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: look at Devin Witherspoon and say that guy kind of 381 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: looks familiar. Oh yeah, it looks like the guy look 382 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: at the mirror, I mean, and he does a great 383 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: job with those guys. He does a great job with 384 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: the young defensive backs. They wanted to be pretty simple 385 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: in what they do. They want to lock up and 386 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: play man to man. Well, the only way that you 387 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: can play man to man, you gotta be able to 388 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: generate pressure so you don't always have to blitz with it. 389 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: If they're able to do that by fortifying the front 390 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: line and up the annie. When it comes to the 391 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: talent in the personnel in the back end, they have 392 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: a shout to play the style he wants to play. Yeah, 393 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: and then we'll leave us. Again. I don't do trades 394 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: in this thing. If he started to slide, I think 395 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: a team, you know, like Tampa. There's another team that 396 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: I have taken a quarterback. We'll get too after the 397 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: break here in a minute, I think one of these 398 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: teams would go up and get him. I don't think 399 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: he makes it to nineteen, but I did want to 400 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: identify Tampa as a team to keep an eye on 401 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: as a quarterback team. Even though they go out and 402 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: get Baker Mayfield, I know they have Kyle trask to me, 403 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: we'll leave us. Ability wise gives them a little something 404 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: different and in a little more to work with there, 405 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: So I would not sleep on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 406 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: in the quarterback market, even after signing Baker Mayfield. All Right, Buck, 407 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll 408 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: get twenty one through thirty one, and then we'll get 409 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: to our conversation with one of the one of the 410 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: bright young safeties in the NFL, Jeremy Chin of the 411 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. We'll get to that right after this. All right, Buck, 412 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: let's go twenty one through twenty five. Here is a 413 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: Flowers wide receiver BC. He goes to the Chargers, Joey 414 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: Porter Junior. That one. That's I'll be honest, I having 415 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: fun with that one. Letting him slide down to the 416 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: board to go to the Baltimore Ravens. Think about his 417 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: dad and all those epic battles from the Steelers and 418 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: the Ravens. To him, going to the Ravens would just 419 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: be too much fun. A Hendon Hooker, a fifth quarterback 420 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: going twenty three to the Minnesota Vikings. The Jags take 421 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: deon Tape Banks Corner out of Maryland. We've talked about 422 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: your Jags needing some some more juice there in the 423 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: back end. Banks would give them that. And then twenty 424 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: five the Giants after they've added some skill in the 425 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: off season. Here in free agency, they've added some speed. 426 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: You look at Darren Waller coming in there, Paris Campbell 427 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: coming in there. Now you get a chance to really 428 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 1: fortify that offensive line. They've got the tackles taking care 429 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: of with two young studs. Now you throw Joe Tipman 430 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: at center and let those three guys protect Daniel Jones 431 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: going forward. Yeah, interesting, these these these picks, one Zay 432 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: Flowers going to the Charges. I just think about how 433 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: many playmakers they already have on the offense. You're adding 434 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: another one, and he is unlike anything that they currently 435 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: have on the roster. We talked about building your wide 436 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: receiver corps like a basketball team. You have individual traits 437 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: that allow you to have compliments that are working together. 438 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: That works for me. You already alluded to the Baltimore 439 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: Ravens and Enjoy Potter, But how about hiding Hooker going 440 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: to the Minnesota Vikings Kirk Cousins in the last year 441 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: of his contrat Hooker potentially having to Richard coming off 442 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: that ACL injury, Kevin O'Connell quarterback developer. It makes a 443 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: lot of sense on the surface in terms of Hooker 444 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: going to Minnesota and talking to teams. Hooker was outstanding 445 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: in the combine interviews, was very impressive. Now we'll see, 446 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: you know what visits he ends up taking. It's a 447 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: good thing to monitor those top thirty visits see where 448 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 1: he ends up going. His teams want to do more 449 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: work on him. Who shows up to work him out 450 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: privately or to visit with him privately, I should say, 451 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: coming off of this injury, just spending more time with him. 452 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: I just know the tape's really good, and the Minnesota 453 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: Vikings have spent a lot of time on quarterbacks. Yeah, 454 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: so you mentioned Kirk Cousins in his contract situation. I 455 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 1: think that they're a team to keep an eye on, 456 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: especially if it's not hiding Hooker here, if it's Levis 457 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: or if it's Richardson. If one of these guys starts 458 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: to drift a little bit, they might be the team 459 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: I would keep an eye on more than any other 460 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: as a team that could get a little jumpy and 461 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: say let's go get one of these guys. Well, it 462 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: makes sense. I mean you can never go wrong taking 463 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: the best available player. And so if you see the 464 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: best player kind of sliding, you have an opportunity to 465 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: get him. Yes, that becomes your spot. You become the 466 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: parachute to save him. Yeah. Absolutely, all right, let's get 467 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: let's finish this thing off here. So I mentioned Tipman 468 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: there to the Giants. We get to the next pick here, 469 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: we get to where his pick twenty six on here 470 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: did I disappear buck? Okay, so we have Smith for 471 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: the devil Mozzie Smith. Yeah, he got cut off on 472 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: my print out here. Mozzie Smith is a name you know. 473 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: Bruce Feldman, our buddy at Fox Sports, had put him 474 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: his number one on his Freaks list, which is an 475 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,239 Speaker 1: unbelievable article. Everybody in the NFL reads this thing by 476 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: Bruce and he goes through and he compiles a list 477 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: of all the athletic freaks and they ranks him across 478 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: the country. After talking to string coaches and Mozzie Smith. 479 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: His combination of size, speed, and athleticism was off the charts. 480 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: Didn't get a chance to see him do everything at 481 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: the combine. He wasn't fully healthy, but this is a 482 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys team. Adding some somebody that is a dominant 483 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: run defender right now who has upside as a pass rusher. 484 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: When you watch him, you'll see him beat blocks. He 485 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: didn't have the production. He's more disruptor than a productive 486 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: guy at this point in time. But I think he's 487 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: a name. Be aware off he could go off the 488 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: board here. He is a name. He's a heavy handed 489 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: player at the point of attack, and you may not 490 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: need him to be a guy that gets have the 491 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: pass because you have others. Let's leave the pass rushing 492 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: in the sacks to Michael Parson has let him get loose, 493 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: but this guy will control that at the point of attack. 494 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: He'll allow those linebacker and second level defenders to run 495 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: and chase freely. You're right, you say in the feast, 496 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: his best football is ahead of him. As the daw 497 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: Boys take the Cowboys take him at twenty six, they're 498 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: banking on the long term potential. All right, Let's follow 499 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: it up here with Buffalo at twenty seven. Had them 500 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: taken Quentin Johnson wide receiver, that might be a surprise 501 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: to some at a TCU. It was interesting I looked 502 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: at just in looking at the numbers, Gabe Davis has 503 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: been a good player, but I don't know if he's 504 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: taken that next step to be the true Robin to 505 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: the Batman there and Stefon Diggs, so I don't I 506 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: don't sleep on them trying to add more firepower. And 507 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: again it's like the Mahomes effect here with these teams 508 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: in the a FC. You saw I had the Chargers 509 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: taking Zay Flowers. I've got the Bills taking Quinton Johnston. 510 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: It's gotten to the point where these teams have said, 511 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think no matter how many 512 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: guys we had on defense, we can stop Kansas City. 513 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: So forget that. Let's just try and load up with 514 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: as many weapons as we can see if we can't 515 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: win a shootout, and it may be that case because 516 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: the AFC is loaded. You have to have weapons, you 517 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: have to have playmakers, and you can never have enough 518 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: firepower when it comes to win. In the shootout we 519 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,239 Speaker 1: saw in the Super Bowl, I mean they were they 520 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: were down and out, didn't know if they could bring 521 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: it back in they get high, Pat Mahomes gets leaves 522 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: them back, and so you always have to be able 523 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: to continue to put points on the board. We can 524 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: deal with Kansa the Chiefs Cincinnati Bengals twenty eight. Darnell Right, 525 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: he's a plug and play right tackle. You've got Orlando 526 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: Brown Junior. He's only twenty six years old. He let 527 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: him and write, just man those book ends for the 528 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: foreseeable future. Jonah Williams already asked for his trade. You know, 529 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: he already. He doesn't know. He only wants to play 530 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: left tackle, so he ain't playing left tackle after they 531 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: just signed Orlando Brown Junior. So he's asked to be traded. 532 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: This you know, this selection of Darniell Right, that locks 533 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: it down here with your two tackles, and then it 534 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: allows you to make that move there with Jonah Williams. 535 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: I've got Michael Mayer to tight end from Notre Dame. 536 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: He goes to the Saints. Give Derek Carr a nice 537 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: security blanket there in the middle of the field. Compliment. 538 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: Chris Olave excited to see what Michael Thomas looks like 539 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: coming back this year. Felix and Adiq Uzama one of 540 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: my favorite players. That's a double up there for the 541 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: Eagles and pass rushers. So they get two of them. 542 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: He's going to stay outside. Whereas you look at what 543 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: they did with their first pick. You get somebody in 544 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: van ass whose can you know inside outside, this is 545 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: going to be a pure edge rusher and they can 546 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: grow together and then will McDonald case they lose Frank 547 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: Clark add another young pass rusher there to add to 548 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: last year's first round pick in George Karloftus. Yeah, the 549 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: Kanci Chiefs continue to add to it. And so you 550 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 1: think about McDonald, Joe mccarloftis and the way that they 551 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: play at the point of attack. They've been able to 552 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: move on from Frank Clark. Continue to add pieces to 553 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: that end because the quarterback is so good, they're always 554 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: in it. And the way that you have to look 555 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: at building their team. You know, going in, if your 556 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, we're probably gonna play with the league. So 557 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: my job is just to close the game out. I 558 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: can close the game out with pass rushers and cover guys, 559 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: and so to Kansas City Chiefs emphasis on pass rushers 560 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: and playmakers in the backfield certainly sensible, no doubt. Um, 561 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: all right, let's let's take a quick break. We're gonna 562 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: come back with Jeremy Chen, one of our favorite guys 563 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: to talk to in the NFL. Also, I believe the 564 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: Bill his favorite non Packer player in oh absolutely producer 565 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: Bill's favorite. So we're gonna take a quick break. We'll 566 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: come back and talk to Panther's stud Jeremy Chen. Jeremy, 567 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: appreciate you taking some time and it's great to see 568 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: you again. First question, I guess would be, you know, 569 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: we're kind of getting towards the draft. What do you 570 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: remember about this period when you were coming into the 571 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: draft and how different is an off season as you're 572 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: preparing for the draft versus now you're established, you're in 573 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: the league in the off season that you have now, Yeah, 574 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: I think the big thing as a player coming into 575 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: the drift once you get to this point, you know, 576 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: you finish your Pro Day for the most part, you know, 577 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: the combines over with, the Senior Bowls over with, so uh, 578 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: you know your process is pretty much over with. Now 579 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: you can you can kind of sit back and just 580 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: kind of see how things play out. I didn't have 581 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: the thirty visits um, you know, coming into COVID years, 582 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: so I'm sure that's a little bit different. But you know, 583 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: for me at this point in time, it was I 584 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: did everything I could, so whatever happens from here. You know, 585 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: I'm I'm comfortable with it. But coming out, you know, 586 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: having a couple of years under my belt and uh, 587 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, not having to worry about the draft process. 588 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: That can just focus on training and you know I 589 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: have to do all the interviews and stuff like that. 590 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: You're kind of you know, your teams know who you are, 591 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: you know your coaches know who you are. So that's 592 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: a good feeling. Jeremy, what was the biggest adjustment from 593 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: college to the pros for you? Uh, probably the biggest 594 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: adjustment is, you know, the freedom that you have. You know, 595 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: you don't have anybody you know making sure you had 596 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: offseason workouts doing this and that you really got to 597 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: take accountability and be a professional. So that's the biggest thing. Um, 598 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, you're just not having that you know offseason 599 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: program that you know went our workouts and that type 600 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: of stuff. You really, you know, got to do it 601 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: on your own and find what works for you. One 602 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: of the things you're gonna have this fall, there's gonna 603 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: be some new pieces there, including the number one overall pick, 604 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: which will get to your thoughts on that just a second. 605 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: But new head coach Frank Reich. I know it's a 606 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: it's a small league, it's a tight fraternity. You guys know, 607 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: players on different teams. What was the feedback you got 608 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: and talking to buddies around the league on your new coach. Yeah, 609 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: everybody I talked too loves him, they say, as a 610 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: players coach. Uh, you know, obviously he played in the league. 611 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: I should play for the Panthers, Um, you know, back 612 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: in the nineties. So he's a player's coach. Everybody seems to, 613 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, have great things to say about him. I've 614 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: sat down and talked to him, and you know, I'm 615 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: the same thing from him that they said. So you know, 616 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: I'm it's someone I'm excited to work with for sure. 617 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: You know I'm thinking about being excited. You guys on 618 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: defense have a lot of young pieces. What do you 619 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: think are some of the things that you guys can 620 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: do to get over the top next season. Just get 621 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: over the hump, is what you're saying. Um, you know, 622 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: we gotta take the ball away that that's our biggest 623 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: thing right now. We got to find ways to take 624 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: the ball and you know, get the ball back to 625 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: our offense. I think once we make that, make that 626 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: adjustment and make that jump and we'll be special moving forward. 627 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: One of the things I know about you from getting 628 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: a chance to visit with you in the past. I 629 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: know how much you love ball. You're kind of a 630 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: football junkie. We have great time visiting with you. I'm 631 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: curious once you saw the trade was made and you 632 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: guys are gonna have the first overall pick. I need 633 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: to know if Jeremy Chinn's doing some YouTube scouting. Have 634 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: you started doing some YouTube scouting on this quarterback class 635 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: and seeing who might be running the show here for 636 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: the Panthers? Noah, I actually haven't. I haven't done too much, 637 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: you know, watching the quarterback So I feel like, whoever 638 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: whoever they end up taking, I know it's gonna be 639 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: the right decision. You know. I trust the guys that 640 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: make those decisions, and Scott and then and coach right, 641 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: so you know, and I know they'll make the right decision. 642 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: Is there anybody on the team you think that would 643 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: that would have the courage to go upstairs at one 644 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: of your teammates somebody be like, hey man, this is 645 00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: the dude, Lord, what are we doing here? This is 646 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: the guy we got the first pick? Let's take him. Yeah, 647 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: I mean I'm sure. Yeah, Shack is one of those 648 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: guys up there. I mean I'm not sure if I'm 649 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: not sure if he feels a certain way about a 650 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: guy right now, but I know if he did, he 651 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: would definitely say somebody I love it. Okay, So you've 652 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: been around the league for a little bit, but we 653 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: can ask you this about quarterbacks just in general, Uh, 654 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: in your experience when you've been on the other side. 655 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: What separates the good quarterbacks from the great quarterbacks? I 656 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: would say just decision making. I mean there's guys who 657 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: you know. I'll go to Tom Brady, the way he 658 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: gets the ball out of his hand so fast. You know, 659 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: he knows where he wants to go with the ball. 660 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: If we're in cover too, like you knows we wants 661 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: to go with it cover four. Um. So I think 662 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: when we play guys like that, we just want to 663 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: switch up the picture so much and just kind of, 664 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, confuse him as much as we can and 665 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: just give them different things to look at. H So, 666 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: definitely a decision making, just knowing you know where he 667 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: wants to go with the ball. In certain situations, we've 668 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: had a chance to to ask you this question before 669 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: about your versatility and one of the things we loved 670 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: about you coming to the draft process with somebody that 671 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: could play so many different positions and do different things 672 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: on a weekly basis. But I don't know that we've 673 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: ever asked you, now that you've been in the league, 674 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: what it's like when you see somebody on the other side. 675 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: You know, we reference guys like Deebo Samuel all the time. 676 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: You know that line up in different places, and you're 677 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: trying to get personnel groupings and get lined up. How 678 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: much of a challenge is it for you on this 679 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: side when you have some of those positionless players on 680 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: the other side. I would say it's probably a similar approach. 681 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: You know, from an offense. You know, defensively, you know 682 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: a guy who moves around. It's kind of a focus. 683 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: You know, if you see a guy coos unto the 684 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, all right, he made blitz from there. 685 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: Or you see a guy you know deeper, you know 686 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: he can play different roles in the defense. I think 687 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: it's the same way for offense. You have a guy 688 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: like Diebo who he can run the ball. He could 689 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: also go catch the ball, you know, it's a weapon, 690 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: and it's definitely it's something that you have to have 691 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: at your game plan, you know. And thinking about the 692 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: safety position, I've always felt like safeties were undervalued in 693 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: terms of people understanding the importance did they bring to 694 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: the team. When you think about prototypical safeties. Uh, what 695 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: does a great safety bring to a defense? I would 696 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: say communication is a big thing. Um meat of shape, 697 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: getting every everybody on the same page, everybody playing the 698 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: same defense. Um. You know, it's hard to tell us sometimes, 699 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, from the from the screen or whatever, we 700 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: can't really hear what's going on the football field. You 701 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: see a guy bus a play, but maybe it's because 702 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: a lack of communication, or maybe they think they have 703 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: a safety overtop for things like that. So communication is 704 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: a big part and really just you know, being a 705 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,239 Speaker 1: safety safety blanket knocking guys down and keeping people at 706 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: the end zone. One of the things that I love 707 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: about you, connect with you on is the fact you 708 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: came from southern Illinois. Uh, is somebody who played at 709 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: Appalachian State. We can relate to one another. Bucky's one 710 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: of these, you know, he's one of these white collar 711 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: guys who played in North Carolina. You know, name brand program. 712 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,719 Speaker 1: You know, there's just a toughness that comes when you 713 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: come out of Southern Illinois. What what has it been 714 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: like getting a chance to be in a locker room? 715 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: I know guys are always having fun with where he 716 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: went to school and things like that, But what's been 717 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: that aspect like coming from Southern Illinois and jumping in 718 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: there in the NFL. Uh. It's funny you say it 719 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: because like on Saturdays, you'll hear guys like, oh, you know, 720 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: oh Miss got Alabama this week? Like like who you got? 721 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I mean, that's how you would 722 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: beat out of those guys. You played All Miss? Yes, 723 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: we played All Miss. I was I had a big 724 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: game against All Miss. That's one of the games that 725 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: really put me on the radar. So just trying to 726 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: tell those guys like, look, man, it's not as different 727 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: as you may think. It is an unrelated question. You 728 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: surprised North Carolina didn't make the basketball tournament this year? 729 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: How that was a shockers baseball season? Yeah? You know, 730 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm just taking shots of Bucky through you, Jeremy. I'm 731 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: just lobbing right through you and then trying to get 732 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: the other way. That's sorry. Oh here for it, uh, Jeremy. 733 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: One thing, because as scouts we're always curious. You talked 734 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: about guys that come from unheralded programs. If you were scouting, 735 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: had to put in your scouting hat and you had 736 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 1: to go to a small school, what would be the 737 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: one ingredient that you would look for in a player 738 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: that comes out of an unheralded school. M I feel 739 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: like when you you come from a small school, you know, 740 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: even when I go back and talk to the guys 741 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: you know at my old school now and seeing guys 742 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: trying to come out, I was like, you have to 743 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: check every box because you know, if you don't, they're 744 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: just gonna look right past you. And um, you know, 745 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: every every chance that you get when you when you 746 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: play those big schools, you play a you know at 747 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: FBS school and things like that. You know, those those 748 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: are our super bowl because that's when we have the 749 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: most eyes. So take advantage of all those things. I 750 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: see how they play in the in the big games 751 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: against a good competition, and as far as you know athletically, 752 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: you have to check those boxes. But I mean, I 753 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: feel like you can't leave anything you know, un checked, 754 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: coming from a small school, last one for me, Jerremy. 755 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate you giving us some time. Man. Uh, It's 756 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: not often you see teams that end up with the 757 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: first overall pick that have playoff aspirations. But when you 758 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: look at where you guys are right now and all 759 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,959 Speaker 1: the change within this division, you personally and collectively as 760 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: a group, when you talk to your teammates, is there 761 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: a feeling like, Hey, this is all out there for 762 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: you guys, and it's all out there for you guys 763 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: starting right now, starting this year. Yeah, I think about 764 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: it daily, and it's a conversation you know, I have 765 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: with my teammate's a lot, and I feel like everything's 766 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: in front of us. You know, we have the number 767 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: one pick, We've got We've got guys to surround them. 768 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: We've got guys on defense that you know are are ready, 769 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: who we played together, We're ready to win together. I think, 770 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, this guy's a limit for us, and I'm 771 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: super excited. I appreciate it. Man, It's been great to 772 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: catch up with you. Hopefully we get a chance to 773 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: do that again soon. Enjoy the remainder of the off season. 774 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: We look forward to watching you on the field here 775 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: this fall. Thanks man, we appreciate it. Thank you. I 776 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: appreciate you guys having well Buck. It's awesome to catch 777 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: up with Jeremy Chen Always enjoyed that visit. And someone 778 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: has a bright, bright future in this league, absolutely has 779 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: a bright future. You can just hear him talk about 780 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: the game of football and how you understand it's not 781 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: friz orca wincidence that he's been able to be a 782 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: top player immediately in the league. Now you have a changeover. 783 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: Maybe they get that offense going defense can played at 784 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: a high level. We may have a Carolina Panthers team 785 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: that knocks on the door poll season. Yeah, that division 786 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: is wide open. We'll see who ends up winning it. 787 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. This was fun, man. You're on 788 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: the hook next week your mock draft, your next one's 789 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: coming out? When is the update to the top five 790 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: is coming? The update to the five comes out by Thursday. 791 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: And what I need from all of our listeners, I 792 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: think our listeners to go to at move the sticks. 793 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: Oh here we as you read his mock draft and 794 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: just leave a couple of comments, a couple of mentions, 795 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: because how you react to his mock Draft. DJ's mock 796 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: draft will certainly have a positive impact on how I 797 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: go about compelling my mock draft. So I need that feedback, 798 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: feedback as essential. I need that it feeds my soul. 799 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: I will say this, There is a there's a tab 800 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: on Twitter where you can look at replies and it's 801 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: just from blue checks right. So usually the verified criticism 802 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: is not as nasty. You get the gen pop criticism 803 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 1: can be a little more vulgar, a little more intense. 804 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: But now since they change this thing up where you 805 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: can buy your check mark, oh yeah, blue checkmark doesn't 806 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: mean anything, you can get nasty now. Yeah, layers of 807 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: security have been removed. And so we will see and 808 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: so you will be a good little litmus test for 809 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: me to see what it looks like. Come on in, 810 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: I I enjoy the comments. Good stuff, man, anything else 811 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: you want to have before we jump out of here. 812 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: Top fives mock draft. Oh, be sure to catch mock 813 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: draft live, you know, say, oh yeah, not only we 814 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: talked about it on the podcast, but now we'll give 815 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: you a visual on NFL network I think is eight 816 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: pm Eastern eight pm Eastern on Tuesdays, and they might 817 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: reair it sometime later on the week. I don't know 818 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: that for sure. I don't know that for sure, but 819 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 1: NFL Plus if you don't have it, get it, because 820 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: that's where you're gonna get all your prodeate coverage for 821 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: US rets joining us, right yeah, reddy PPUs joining us. 822 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: We have three in a row. So we have CJ. 823 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: Strout on Wednesday, Bright Young on Thursday, and then we 824 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: have Will Levis on Friday. NFL Plus. There you go, 825 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: check it out. All right, that's gonna do it for us. 826 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for hanging with us. We'll catch you 827 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: next time. Right here on Nabil's favorite activity of the day, 828 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: distiss