1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,640 Speaker 1: Is the Drive to the Draft Podcast. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 2: On today's episode, we talked about what you can expect 3 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 2: from this show as we take you up to the draft, 4 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: Senior Bowl, Shrine Bowl, Combine forties, Vertical John for. 5 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: The whole thing. 6 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: We've talked about our prospect evaluation process, our top five rules, 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: and lessons learned from past mistakes we've made. And we've 8 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: got our fastest forty. What's the difference between picking at 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: five and picking at seven? It all starts right now. 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Drive to the Draft Podcast. Logan. We 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 3: are on our way to the twenty twenty six NFL Draft, 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 3: and this is the third year that we're doing this together. 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 3: And basically the point of this episode, now that the 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 3: Commander season is over, is for us to tell fans 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: who are hopefully just finding us for the first time 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 3: or have listened to us in the past, what you 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: can expect from us this year in this draft podcast. 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right. 19 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: And again, this is the most excited I've seen you, 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: probably since your child was born. You love doing this show, 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: you love the draft, you love getting in the grind. Yeah, 22 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: but I think this is a great opportunity to kind 23 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: of reintroduce ourselves to the fans, talk maybe a little 24 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 2: bit of high level draft stuff to kind of start 25 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: the season off and then get into it. 26 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 3: Well, let me introduce you, then we'll start there. You're 27 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 3: Logan Paulson. You're a ten year NFL VET played tight end, 28 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: so you know a little bit about everything with that offense, right, 29 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: You got to have blocking, you have to run some routes, right, Yeah, 30 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: so a little bit of everything there, you know. You know, 31 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: if you're a bit about defense, I would say, yeah. 32 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: No, yeah, I try to try to a little bit. 33 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you helped train some guys to get ready 34 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: for Combine. 35 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: And draft and the whole thing. 36 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: Kind of get them ready, prep them for their first 37 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: meetings with teams, prep them for the meetings of the combine, 38 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: and just kind of help them develop their process. Mostly 39 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: tight ends, but I've done defensive linemen as well, so yeah, 40 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: have some familiarity with the process. 41 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: I would think it's fair to say you know what 42 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 3: you're talking about when it comes to just football. You're 43 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: a very smart guy. And I also want to make 44 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: sure that people know that you're my friend, and you're 45 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: such a good friend of mine that you've recently recommended 46 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: to me a movie for a date night. Like that's 47 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: how close we are date night movie, right, Yeah, So yeah, 48 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: it's very important that people know that. All right, Who 49 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: am I logan, I'm just a guy. I'm just a producer, Jason. 50 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 3: I love the draft stuff, but I'm not an analyst 51 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: by any stretch of the imagination. I just watch football. 52 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 3: I never played it at a high level, That's all 53 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: I am. So what I bring to this pod, I 54 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 3: hope logan for you is just I'm just a guy. 55 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: So bounce things off me, explain it to me, help 56 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 3: me understand, and then I'm going to tell you what 57 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: I see with my just a guy eyes, and you 58 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 3: tell me if that's right or wrong, Like I'm an 59 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: avatar basically for our listeners. 60 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: And yeah, and we'll double click on this when we 61 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: get to like our top five rules and lessons. But 62 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: I do think if you're getting into this draft stuff 63 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: and this is like your first time and you want 64 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: to start watching prospects, you don't need. Prospect evaluation is 65 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: a little bit different than coaching football or installing a play. 66 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: There's a little bit less ex'es and os, and when 67 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: you talk to certain gms like they know football, but 68 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: they don't know the nuance of football the same way 69 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: a coach does. This is really about talent evil and 70 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: finding characteristics and traits that you like. So you know, 71 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: like I know, you're just a guy, but there's a 72 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: lot of just the guys out there. Don't be afraid 73 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 2: to start this process with us and go on this 74 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: journey because again, everyone's got an eye. 75 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: Trust your eye and we're going. 76 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: To get into that when we talk about our top 77 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: five rules and lessons for talent value. 78 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's coming up. But first, what can you expect 79 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,119 Speaker 3: from this show if you're first tuning in. First off, 80 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: we are a commander's focus podcast, but I want all 81 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: football fans to know that they can get something out 82 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: of this because we don't know who these future commanders 83 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: are going to be. So we're going to touch on 84 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: a lot of prospects. 85 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: So I think last year we got to like one 86 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five prospects. We went to the Senior 87 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: boy we went to the combine, and so our goal 88 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: is the is really really my goal is to kind 89 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: of educate everybody on the people out there. One of 90 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: my favorite memories of the draft. Growing up was going 91 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: to the store and buying a draft book and going 92 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: through the prospects and being like this person went to 93 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: this school and they did this and all that, and 94 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: so our my goal with this show is to give 95 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: you guys as much information as possible about these prospects. Like, 96 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: if there's someone you want us to talk about, leave 97 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: a comment, send a message to Instagram. 98 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to score Pulse and eighty two. 99 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: We'll take a look at it, right and just kind 100 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: of just build your portfolio of the draft, because i 101 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: think the more I've done this, the more respect I've 102 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: gotten for the process. And the other thing that I've 103 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: done is I feel like I've really understood that the 104 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: difference between prospects is much much smaller than people think 105 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: or purport in the national media. 106 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're definitely going to talk about commanders and be 107 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: focused on them. I don't want that to get twisted. 108 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 3: But we're going to talk a lot about team building, 109 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: how free agency affects to draft process. So a lot 110 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 3: of prospects, so we're going to touch on all of them. 111 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: We're going to do top tens for basically every position 112 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: moving forward. So you're going to hear. Even though we 113 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: have Jane and Daniels here probably not drafting a high 114 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: end quarterback, we're still going to talk about them because 115 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 3: it's important. They may go to one of our rivals 116 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: or a team that we're going to play in this 117 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: upcoming year, and we still need a scouting report on 118 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: them for when the season comes around. So that's what 119 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: we're going to do. The next thing we're going to 120 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 3: do is we're going to have instant reactions to the 121 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: Shrine Bowl this year, but also Senior Bowl Combine in 122 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 3: Draft night when we're at these events, which we're going 123 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: to logan, We're going to be there on the sidelines. 124 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 3: We're gonna at the end of each practice of every 125 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 3: one of these events, we're gonna put out an episode, 126 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 3: so you're gonna get instant analysis from you on these 127 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: guys and how they're doing it practice. 128 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's one of the things that 129 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: this show brings. It's unique, quite honestly, is the ability 130 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 2: to kind of go to these events. We're not gonna 131 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: miss any step of the draft process along the way, 132 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 2: Try and Bowl, Senior Bowl combine, Right, We're gonna have 133 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: its reactions to certain pro days that are on TV. 134 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: We're gonna do a lot of stuff here for you guys. 135 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: And again, like, I don't think there's another show out 136 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: there that goes to every event, has the instant reactions 137 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 2: the way we do. 138 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: So if you're a fan of the draft, makes you 139 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: check it out. 140 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: Logan, I don't know if you think this is true, 141 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: but one of the things I found out over the 142 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 3: last two years of doing this is that this world 143 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 3: of draft process is actually pretty small. 144 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, like small community. 145 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, very small. So like you're a celebrity at the 146 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: combine if you're walking down the street, everyone's like, look good. Right. 147 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: You either played with them or at some point, or 148 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: they're coaches former coaches of yours, or they ask you 149 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: for advice, you train them, Like there's something going on 150 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 3: there and one of the benefits of you having built 151 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: a standing in that low, small community. We're gonna have 152 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: some special guests on this program. Yep, let's list some 153 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 3: of them off. They I know, we haven't confirmed a 154 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 3: lot of them, but they every year. 155 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, So Trevor Sicka, m'connor Rodgers for the NFL Stock 156 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 2: Exchange podcast. That's kind of the big and if you're 157 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: not in the draft community, like that's a big draft podcast, 158 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: maybe the biggest one. Field the Eights has been outstanding 159 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: when we've had him on in the past. He works 160 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: with mel Kiper, which is very special. Fred Smoot, we 161 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: got to give him his flowers. He's the draft guru 162 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: every single year, seemingly. And then the funniest guy in 163 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 2: all of football is Jeremy Green, who is not only 164 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: very funny, but I think I talked to him three 165 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 2: weeks ago and he had done five hundred prospect evaluations 166 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: written evaluation. 167 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: Known as the ESPN Draftner. Jeremy Green is very funny, 168 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 3: also very smart when it comes to this stuff. Those 169 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: are just some of the guests we know we'll get. 170 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 3: Sikima and Rogers, I've already reached out to them. Field 171 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 3: Yates more often than not says yes, and Fred loves 172 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: to come on this show. And Jeremy we'll definitely hook 173 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: up with. We have some special stuff coming up with him, 174 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: but yeah, and we'll have some others. I promise when 175 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: we're out at these events, we'll meet up with them. 176 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 3: We'll say hi, and then we want to jump on. 177 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: Like we've met Jeremy last year at the Combine helped 178 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: us out with some stuff, and that's been a great 179 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: relationship and a great resource for us. And so hopefully 180 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: that's another reason we go to these events is to 181 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: build our community, our base, and get more guests for 182 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: you guys. 183 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: All right, we'll have the latest draft news for you. 184 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,239 Speaker 3: Every time something breaks when it comes to the draft, 185 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: whether it's a prospect or just news in general, we'll 186 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 3: let you know what's going on. We're going to do 187 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: a lot of mock drafts on here. I know fans 188 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 3: really like doing that. We'll be Commander's focus, but we'll 189 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: test every single possibility for the commanders at number seven 190 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 3: that could happen on draft night. We will stress test 191 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: onmos all of them. Get some analysis on that. Obviously, 192 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: prospect evaluations top ten for every busition. We already talked 193 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: about that. But the main thing Logan and you alluded 194 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 3: to this earlier that I want fans to know about 195 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: this show as we get going, is that this is 196 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: fan friendly. We want the fans involved in this podcast. 197 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: Leave questions, send emails that Hawk Outside at gmail dot com, 198 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: message Logan on Instagram, right Twitter, ask questions, man reply 199 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: to this in Spotify or Apple pod like leave a comment, 200 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: we read them, we will react to them. 201 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: Yep, And I think it just helps us kind of 202 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: understand the content you're looking for. And again like this 203 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: is this is always a fun process for me. Like 204 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 2: right now we're getting all the Shrine Bowl invites, Senior 205 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: Bowl invites together, watching those guys on film. But there's 206 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 2: always somebody that is, like you know from you know 207 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: Iowa State, that you know is the backup linebacker, was 208 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: a really good special teams player that someone wants an 209 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: email on. 210 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: Drop that in the comments. 211 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: Man will definitely take a look at it, and it 212 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: just adds to our knowledge base and moving forward. 213 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: All right, So if you want to join this process 214 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 3: with us, please come along. And one of the things 215 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 3: that you can do, but that is start your own 216 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: evaluation process. Start watching some film. The best way I 217 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: would say to do that right out of the gate 218 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: is get on YouTube. There's so many highlights YouTube. Watch highlights, 219 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: watch full game replays, things like that. But ultimately, at 220 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: the end, logan, why don't you tell us how you 221 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 3: do an evaluation process as kind of like a guideline 222 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: for someone just starting this with us. 223 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously every position will be different and we'll 224 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: get into the position specific stuff when we do our 225 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: top ten, top fifteen rankings for the different positions, But 226 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 2: i'd say on the whole, like, I'm looking for just 227 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: kind of this is going to sound really super high level. 228 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 2: I'm looking for good football players. Right, So, when you're 229 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: watching an offensive lineman, do you see kind of the 230 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: base level understanding of the position. Do you see the 231 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: requisite physicality, do you see the requisite foot speed and athleticism. 232 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 2: Because the other thing that's important to remember with this 233 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: evaluation process is these guys are not finished products. They 234 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 2: are kind of infants their babies, right. You want to 235 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: know what they're going to grow into. At the NFL level, 236 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: there are certain prospects that are very refined, very polished, 237 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: but those don't always make necessarily make the best pro 238 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 2: SOO looking for kind of general love of the game, 239 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: general physicality, general athleticism, I think is a really good 240 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: place to start with most positions, and obviously within each 241 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: position subset there's specific things you're going to look for. 242 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: But at the highest highest of level, I think that's 243 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: a really good spot to start. 244 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you don't have to be an expert to 245 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 3: see that. Yeah, right, Like, so you can be just 246 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 3: a guy like me. You can turn in one and 247 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: if you've watched football long enough, then you know what 248 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: good football players look like, or you know what talent 249 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 3: looks like. And maybe you can't directly define it and 250 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: point it out, like I have trouble with that, but 251 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: I can look at it and say, I know that 252 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 3: that's something. There's something there. 253 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: I think that's exactly right. I think that's something that's 254 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: really important. Just like and you're going to talk about 255 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: this here in your top five rules and lessons, but like, 256 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 2: trust your eye. Man, if you've watched you've been watching 257 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: football every weekend with your dad, grandpa, mom, sister, whatever 258 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: it is, for a long time. Like you understand like 259 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: players you like, qualities you like. And if you're the 260 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: GM building your team, look for players that have those qualities, 261 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 2: and I think you can build a pretty dynamic roster. 262 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: You've teased it enough. Let's do the top five rules 263 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: and lessons were evaluating a prospect in this draft process, Logan, 264 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: I wrote down my five that I've learned, but I 265 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: want to know what yours are. Quite honestly, I'll kick 266 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 3: it off. Give you time to just work on it here. 267 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: But so at number five, I'm going to go five 268 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 3: to one is trust your eyes and your gut, which 269 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 3: we were just talking about. You see somebody in man, 270 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 3: he's got some sort of playmaking ability, and I other 271 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: people are maybe saying no. But if you see it 272 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: and you feel it, trust it. It doesn't have to 273 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 3: align with what everybody else says. 274 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that's a I think that's a 275 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 2: great point. And that's the other thing is like there's 276 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 2: no with this stuff. There's no right answer. Like we're 277 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: going to talk about our tear system here, probably closer 278 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: to the actual draft, but you'll get a swath of 279 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty five guys that are about the same. 280 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: And I know people get in these like really serious, 281 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: like vertical lists, you know, one to one hundred, one 282 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: to fifty top prospects, all that kind of stuff, but 283 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: in reality, the difference between some of those guys is very, 284 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: very marginal. So like when you see those lists, I'm 285 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: be like, man, I don't really love this guy as 286 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: much as player X. Like trust your vision. This is 287 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: going to sound crazy, but that's essentially what gms and 288 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: front officers are doing. Obviously there's more refinement to the process. 289 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: They have interviews, they have dated they're collecting, but a 290 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: lot of it is got Like Hei, there's a guy 291 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: that I have a lot of respect for head he's 292 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: the head of college scouting for a team, and the 293 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: thing he always brings up to me is like, everyone's 294 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: got a little different flavor. Doesn't mean they're right, doesn't 295 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: mean they're wrong. You got to justify it and be like, 296 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 2: this is why I feel this way. And I think 297 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 2: hearing that from a guy who's been in the industry 298 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: for thirty years really helped me with my process as well, 299 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: to be like, yeah, like you you again, trust what 300 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: you're looking for, you can identify it. 301 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: Believe in yourself all right. 302 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: Number two is the production needs to meet the physicality. 303 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 3: And what I mean by that is that through this process, 304 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 3: we're gonna hear a lot. We're gonna mention it a 305 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 3: lot about somebody's size, arm length, right wait, a vertical 306 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 3: forty times, a big one hands, We're gonna talk a 307 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: lot about that. All of that's important. There's a reason 308 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: there's a standard right when it comes to these things. 309 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 3: But make sure that if you look at physical and 310 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 3: you say, oh my gosh, this guy's a physical freak. 311 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 3: Does production match in college? Right? Make sure that there's production, 312 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: and then at the same time as somebody super productive 313 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 3: in college, make sure that the physicalities match up. Now 314 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 3: that's a rule. There are exceptions. So there are people 315 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 3: that maybe the arm length isn't as much or the 316 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 3: forty times a little lower, and they were super productive 317 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 3: in college and they're super productive in the league, and 318 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 3: then vice versa. They're physical freaks and they weren't that 319 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: productive in college, but now they're productive in the league. 320 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: Those are exception Yeah, so try when you're evaluating to 321 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 3: put those two together and make sure you keep those together. 322 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 3: Don't fall in love with one or the other. 323 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,599 Speaker 2: No, I think that's one hundred percent right. It's a 324 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 2: great point to bring up too, because again everyone kind 325 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 2: of see all this guy's six seven, you know, two 326 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: ninety and he runs a four to six. He's going 327 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: to be a great football player. That's not always true. 328 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: And again there's context there as well, Like when you 329 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 2: look at you know, who's the uh, gosh Walker, the 330 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: defensive end for the Jacksonville Jaguars. He's maybe the freakiest 331 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: guy ever to come through the combine. His first couple 332 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: of years weren't good, but now we see the development 333 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: of the athleticism, right So, like and that's the other 334 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: thing is NFL draft stuff they want to make you 335 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: think it's like this linear he's going to be good 336 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: year one. There's a development developmental care here as well too. 337 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: So I do think the traits are important, but production 338 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: is also important. Like a good example for me is 339 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: Harold Fann and junior for who's playing for the Cleveland 340 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: Bounds right now. 341 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: I didn't really like how he moved. I was a 342 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: little out. 343 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: I didn't know if it would translate because he was 344 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: unconventional mover. His forty time wasn't great. He's been very 345 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: productive this year, probably the second or third most productive 346 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: tight end of the class. And it's because he was 347 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: the most productive player and his physical thresholds were met 348 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: in a lot of categories. 349 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: Right. 350 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: So that's the other thing too, is you know physical, 351 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: Like the production and the physicality of the player is important, 352 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: but also I'm very reluctant to bet against thresholds oftentimes, 353 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: especially with positions like tight end, like tackle, like tho, 354 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: like in the big ones like body weight, body size 355 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: for tackle, you can't have a five to eleven, you know, 356 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: two sixty tackle like that just doesn't work. There's thresholds 357 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: there for a reason, because the average is going to 358 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: lean to that guy more often than not. 359 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: So trust that. 360 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: But also, like Lampkin last year from North carol from 361 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: South Carolina, the center was five eleven, two eighty. He's 362 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: on a practice squad now, right, So like there are 363 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: guys that are the exceptions to the rules. But the 364 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: reason those rules are there is because they provide a 365 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: good way, a good fair way where you kind of 366 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: should be aiming your evaluations. 367 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, I'm also going to add context to this. 368 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 3: This is when we're talking about To me, these rules 369 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: are kind of when you're talking about how to rank 370 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: or put people into different blocks or piers within a pyramid. Right, 371 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 3: So sometimes you're going to get to a point where 372 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 3: it's like, well, how do I tell the difference between 373 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: this prospect and this prospect when you're at number two 374 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 3: hundred and two hundred and one, and then maybe you'll say, Okay, 375 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: I'm going to weigh his measurables at the combine a 376 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 3: little higher than this person. Because those thresholds that you're 377 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: talking about are going to help him get to a 378 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: point that's more efficient in the league, a little faster perhaps, 379 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 3: So there are times where you weigh one or the other. 380 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 3: But generally, what I'm saying is you want to look 381 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: for a combination of. 382 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean, and those are definitely the 383 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: safest prospects are one that have good measurables and good production. 384 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 3: All right. Number three, Mitigate risk. Now this is more 385 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 3: of a thought of like when you're looking at a prospect, 386 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: where do you put them on your big board? Where 387 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: you rank them? This is what the gen mind in 388 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 3: uh in the forefront is mitigating risk. You love midigating. 389 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: It's really it's really important about it. 390 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think is like so for example, like there's 391 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: a receiver that I was watching last night. I'm not 392 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: gonna mention the school. We'll talk to that when we 393 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: get to the receivers. But catching the football is outstanding, runs, 394 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: good route, snappy, he's six', five he's two, Twenty, like 395 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: he's got all these kind of boxes that you would 396 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 2: traditionally associate with AN x ride. Receiver so that gets 397 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: me excited when you see a guy who's kind of 398 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: down the draft. List who's got these physical, frames these physical, 399 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: schools the skills to be a starting wide. Receiver that 400 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 2: gets me pretty juiced. Up, however when you start, watching it's, like, 401 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: hey he doesn't really play well without the, Ball like 402 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 2: he's not finishing to block for his, teammate he's not 403 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: blocking on. Runs they put him on the backside of. 404 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 2: Runs he doesn't like to touch people when he's on 405 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: the when he's. 406 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: At the point of. 407 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: Attack and anything, that to me is something that really 408 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: raises a lot of red flags because how much do 409 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: you love football if you're not willing to do those little. 410 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,239 Speaker 2: Things because, ultimately when you draft a, person you bring 411 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: him in the. Building everyone talks about the team's responsibility 412 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 2: to develop the. PLAYER i find the most successful draft 413 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: picks are the guys Like Will campbell last, year, little, 414 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 2: undersized not the biggest. Frame everyone's talking about his, wingspan 415 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: his arm length being outside of normal. Thresholds but when 416 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: you talk to that guy and when you watch him play, 417 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 2: football the thing that comes to the forefront with him 418 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 2: is he is one thousand percent a self, Starter like 419 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 2: he wants nothing more than to be excellent at, football 420 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 2: which is why he's a top five. Pick in THE 421 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: nfl despite those, thresholds because you're also drafting the mind 422 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: and the personality of the. Player so when you start 423 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: seeing some of these WHAT i would, say quote unquote red, 424 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 2: flags do not ignore. Them do not say once he 425 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 2: gets in our building we can fix. It don't do 426 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: that because, ultimately when he gets in your, building he's 427 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 2: going to be a fifth round pick who needs to 428 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: develop on his, own and he's not going to get 429 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 2: the focus of kind of being the first round. Pick 430 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: SO i want someone like a great example Is luke. McCaffrey, 431 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: Right he's got great, pedigree great, background work every year 432 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: on his own to get. Better there's a great opportunity 433 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: for that to. Happen trust that element because again he's 434 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 2: going to be a serviceable, backup rotational player as opposed 435 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: to being on the street in three or four. 436 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 3: Years we have a lot of greats that are in 437 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 3: this building that get to do analysis with us on 438 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: command center all the. Time we Have Santana, moss a 439 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 3: first round, pick self, starter, RIGHT. 440 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: I mean even now is a self. 441 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: Sues and then then you have an undrafted free agent 442 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: In London Front, fletcher Future hall Of, famer self, starter 443 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 3: Be Mitch, Star mitchell stelf, Starter like all these guys 444 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: are as much as Fred as jokes, around passionate About 445 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 3: he's passionate about, football. Right he is a self starter 446 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: in that. Sense he wants to get out there and 447 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: do he's a good football, player yeah, right and he. 448 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 3: Was so all those things are important and the thing 449 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 3: to understand is to try and read up on that, 450 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 3: news listen to reports that come out from Mel kiper 451 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: Or Daniel jeremiah who have kind of that. Stuff yeah and, 452 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 3: yeah like you, said just don't ignore it because we 453 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: don't get the privilege of these interviews and we don't 454 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 3: get to talk to the players that. Often we're just 455 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 3: looking at performance and. Measurables but these, parts the mental part. 456 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: Matters, yeah and again when you're watching film because you 457 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: guys don't have access to the interviews, either. Don't how 458 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 2: does the offensive lineman, Finish how is his? Conditioning how 459 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 2: does the defensive end you, know run to the football 460 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: out of the, Stack how does he tackle when it's 461 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: a big kind of difficult tackle out of his? Area 462 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: like those things matter because they show a passion and 463 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: care for the. Game and you are only good at 464 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: THE nfl level if you have an element of. 465 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: That. 466 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 3: YEAH a quick little example of a way that you 467 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 3: can do this by watching the film try and figure 468 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 3: it out is with wide. Receivers don't watch every catch and. 469 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 3: HIGHLIGHTS i mean, do but don't focus on. That go 470 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 3: watch a couple running plays from whoever their running back 471 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 3: is at. School see if they go, Block see if 472 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 3: they go put hands on that linebacker. Right see if 473 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 3: they do, that it shows you a little bit of their. 474 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: Mentality, yeah, yeah all. 475 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 3: Right the next, one number two THAT i put on 476 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 3: here is question the. Narrative WHAT i mean by this 477 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 3: is that the national media isn't. Wrong i'm not saying. 478 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: That but What i'm saying is just because somebody says 479 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: it on the national, media you heard, it or it's 480 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: something that's getting, parroted doesn't necessarily mean that you shouldn't 481 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 3: question it in your. Evaluation maybe you come to the same. 482 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 3: Conclusion more often than, not you might come to the same, 483 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 3: conclusion but just don't take it as your evaluation. Process 484 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 3: does that make? Sense so somebody comes along and everybody 485 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 3: is saying this guy is a top five. Pick, Cool 486 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 3: maybe you come to, that but don't go in watching 487 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 3: that film, saying this guy's a top five. 488 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 2: Pick and this is another advantage of the show because 489 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: we're at The Shrine, bowl we're at The Senior, bowl 490 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: we're at The. 491 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 1: Combine you get to see everything. 492 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: Firsthand. Right so a good example of this is Like 493 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 2: Mike green from last. Year everyone's Saying Mike green's going 494 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: to be a top, fifteen top twelve pick in THE nfl, 495 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 2: draft and they cite The senior. Bowls was very productive 496 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 2: at The Senior. Bowl but we went, back we were, 497 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 2: there we saw every one of his pass rush. Reps 498 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: he had a great rep Versus Josh connerly gets blown 499 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 2: up and it's, like, Oh Josh connelly is, Terrible Mike green's. 500 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: Amazing that was a narrative for a long. Time And 501 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: Mike green didn't win another pass rush rep in The Senior. 502 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: Bowl like, That i'm not exaggering, Us i'm not being. 503 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 2: Hyperbolic and there were some good offensive lineman, there but 504 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: he was for if you're going to be a top fifteen. 505 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: Pick like remember When Lot Too lat two was there 506 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 2: and we got to and he'd win every one on. 507 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 2: One it was like very clear that he was just 508 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: a different cut a guy like that's not what this. 509 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,239 Speaker 2: Was and so the narrative Around Mike green was, like 510 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 2: he's a, Stud he's going to be an all world, 511 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: player all this. Stuff And i'm not saying he's not that. 512 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: Guy it just this year he was not that. Player 513 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 2: he can still grow into, that, Obviously BUT i think 514 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 2: us being there helps us see these narratives a little 515 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 2: bit more, acutely because for a long TIME i would 516 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: do this show or do my draft process from home 517 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: and watch The Senior bowl, remotely and that's the NARRATIVE 518 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 2: i would get as. Well so like, this it is 519 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 2: a thing to. Do and, again trust your, Gut that's 520 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: what that was the number one on the list for a. 521 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,719 Speaker 2: Reason trust your. Gut if you something's a little bit, 522 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: off make sure you lean of, that all. 523 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: Right the last one is no one's, Perfect no one's 524 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: and hindsight is twenty twenty side twenty. Twenty, yeah these 525 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 3: guys like they. Don't it's not like there's one person 526 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 3: that's really good at this and they get it right 527 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 3: all the time because they have some secret question that 528 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: they ask and the answer gives them the exact. Position 529 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 3: none of that. Exists so much lies in where you 530 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: go the coaching, staff you land with the other talent 531 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: that's around. You when you get to AN nfl, team 532 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 3: so much relies on the success of these prospects that 533 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 3: are outside the control and even information you don't even 534 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 3: have till they're. Drafted you're not going to be. Perfect 535 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 3: just go with your gut. 536 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 2: Man, Yeah so we do like a kind of a 537 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 2: semi Competitive you draft six. 538 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: GUYS i draft six. Guys fred draft six. Guys it's fun. 539 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 2: And it's and it's just a fun thing to see 540 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: and it's and. Everything nothing we do in this show 541 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: illuminates this more than that. Process so for, example LIKE 542 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 2: i Drafted Colson, lovelin that was my number one tight. 543 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: END i was super excited about. It fred Drafted Tyler. Warren, 544 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: Okay Tyler warren's a good, player BUT i Like colson 545 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: love but. Better if you look at the way that 546 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: the cow or The Chicago bears to put him this, 547 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: year he didn't really get to play into probably week 548 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 2: five or, six While Tyler warren got to play from 549 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: week one and was the guy coming out the. Gate 550 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: that's individual developments. Different Colson lovelin's coming off a shoulder 551 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: injury last, year DO i think both those players are 552 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 2: excellent right, now, absolutely but in terms of, development in 553 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 2: terms of, production it's going to look like one is 554 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: significantly better than the. 555 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: Other BUT i think they're. 556 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 2: Both they're the future of the position in THE nfl 557 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 2: right and there's not a discernible. Difference like another example 558 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 2: IS i Drafted harmon who's a defensive tackle From oregon 559 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: who went to The, steelers who when he did play this, 560 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: year was, excellent but also got banged up and only 561 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 2: played like in seven. Games so you look at, that 562 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 2: you say to, yourself, like WAS i wrong and the 563 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: evaluation or is there a little bit of? Serendipity there's 564 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: more luck slash serendipity in this process than you would 565 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: care to. Admit it's not going to be. Perfect the 566 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 2: home for these players is maybe the most important. Element 567 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: and that's the THING i think is so fun about. 568 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: It if you're A, gm if you're a fan of a, 569 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: team you're drafting for a, team you can, say do 570 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: we have the coaching, staff do we have the infrastructure 571 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 2: to develop this guy the way he needs to be 572 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: developed and ensure he's? 573 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 3: Successful all, Right, logan those are my five. Rules it 574 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 3: seems like you agree with a lot of. Them do 575 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 3: you have any that you want to add, in just 576 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 3: a little tidbit of information or rule that you live 577 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 3: by when. 578 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 2: EVALUATING i think the other one is, like just make 579 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: sure you're watching as much as you can on a. 580 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: PLAYER i think there's this tendency to be, like here's one, 581 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: game this is who this player. Is give it a couple, 582 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 2: games AND i know that's a. Lot it's a lot 583 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: to be, like, OH i got to watch three games 584 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 2: on a, guy or three different versions of a highlight 585 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: or three different game. Breakdowns but you'll see players, change 586 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: like maybe they're nicked, up maybe they had a bad 587 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: week with the girlfriend at home or whatever it looks, 588 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: like and that one game you watch was their worst 589 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 2: game of the. 590 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: Year. 591 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: Right so for, example Like baine From, MIAMI i watched 592 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 2: The TEXAS a AND m game and he was pretty. 593 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: Flat but then you go and watch That Ohio state 594 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 2: game and he looks like the best player. Country so 595 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 2: just one thing does not define. Them one game does 596 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 2: not define. Them One Senior bowl practice doesn't define. Them 597 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: let them develop and let them, become really flesh out your. 598 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 2: EVALUATION i love. 599 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 3: It one of my favorite things to do is to 600 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 3: hop ON pff and look at their grades where their. 601 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: Games now that's not, gospel, right but it's a good 602 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: starting point to see what's their worst. GAME i watch, 603 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 3: that what's their best? GAME i watch, that and THEN 604 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 3: i can watch some highlights and maybe a game in the, 605 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 3: middle AND i get a kind of good feel of 606 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 3: who they. Are but you never want to go in 607 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: and just watch highlights or their best game or vice, 608 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 3: versa just watch their worst. Game, Right you don't want 609 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 3: to do that with, anybody because, man we all have bad. 610 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 3: Days we all have All. Right we have a segment 611 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 3: here That i'm going to. Introduce it's called The fastest. 612 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: Forty we're going to do this every episode Of drive 613 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: to The. Draft, basically, LOGAN i have a topic, here 614 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 3: and you've got forty seconds to talk about this topic. 615 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: Here convinced me one way or, another all, Right so 616 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 3: this is where we Get commanders focus To commanders end 617 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 3: the season with a win Over philadelphia that gives us 618 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 3: the seventh overall pick in the twenty twenty SIX Nfl. 619 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 3: Draft we're gonna be talking about that a. 620 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: Lot. 621 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 3: Now there was talk that if we lost a, game 622 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 3: it was possible that we would have been drafting at 623 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 3: the number five overall. Spot so the question is what 624 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 3: is the difference between picking number five and number? Seven 625 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 3: you got forty seconds to tell me what the difference. 626 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 3: Is if any are you? Ready? Yep, okay set. 627 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 2: Go SO i think five and. Seven there's this kind 628 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 2: of perceived value and what is. Value it's often based 629 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: off The Jimmy johnson trade, chart And Jimmy johnson kind 630 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 2: of was a cowboy thrown from the. Hip he'd go 631 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: down and kind of put arbitrary values in these. Slots 632 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: and if you look at his, chart the first, round 633 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: the top fifteen are really valued very. HIGHLY a lot 634 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: of teams have moved away from that, model, Right so 635 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: WHAT i mean by that is like it's become much 636 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: more analytically, driven and so the difference between five and 637 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 2: seven on The Jimmy johnson chart is actually like a 638 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: full player by. Itself now with some of these more 639 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 2: analytically driven, models it's actually just twenty, points which is 640 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: less than a seventh round. 641 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 3: Pick so you're, saying, Eh. 642 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: I'm saying the perceived value and this is something that 643 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 2: you can probably intrinsically feel like when you're watching the, Draft, 644 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 2: chason because when people trade, now it's usually a, trade 645 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: a pick, swap and then maybe a later round pick 646 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 2: or a futures. Pick, Right i'm not giving you to 647 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,239 Speaker 2: move from to move into the second. Round i'm not 648 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: giving you a whole fourth round pick or a whole 649 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 2: fifth round. Pick we're going to swap our fourths And 650 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: i'm going to give you a. Seventh that's because teams understand. That, like, 651 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: so this is the crazy thing to. Me the idea 652 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 2: of moving from five to seven is not worth a 653 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: third round pick in my, opinion because those mid round 654 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: picks are also, very very very, Valuable and so teams now. 655 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: Understand they understand that the first round is, valuable but 656 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: now they understand the second to the fourth round aren't 657 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 2: just as, valuable but they're way more valuable than t 658 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: used to be evaluating. 659 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,239 Speaker 3: Them so IF i could have twenty, seconds you can 660 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 3: have as much time as you. Want, no, no real, 661 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 3: quick because no one cares about my. 662 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: Evaluation but this is you put it like, So, jason 663 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 2: just to kind of lead this, in looked at the 664 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 2: last what is this five to, six five and seventh round? 665 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: Picks AND i think when you just read the names, off. 666 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 3: They're very, similar and the question is not is this 667 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: player better than that, player it's just who drafted them 668 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 3: and does it fit what they? Needed? Sure AND i 669 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: think every single one of these, picks and every single 670 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 3: one of these teams that drafted this person was very 671 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: happy with. It. Yeah, Right so an example would be 672 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 3: twenty twenty, Four Joe alt AND Jc, latham both good. 673 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 3: Players one's an offensive, tackle one's a defensive. Line they're 674 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 3: both SO Jc. Latham oh, sorry, sorry sorry the offensive. Tackle, 675 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 3: yeah they both good. Players both teams got what they. 676 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: Wanted this is an interesting. EXAMPLE i think on this 677 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: sheet you've got here Because joell in this class was 678 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: a blue chip difference making. GUY i think if you 679 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 2: go to twenty twenty five was a more recent, Example 680 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 2: Mason graham to Armand Membu. Arma membu had a significantly 681 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: better rookie year Than Mason. Graham but so My membo 682 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: was at, Seven Mason graham was at. Five the difference 683 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 2: between them was basically, zero, Right Kevon Thibodeau Evan neil 684 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 2: five and seven. Respectively twenty twenty, One, right both those, 685 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: guys neither one has really panned. Out Jamar Chase pine 686 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: sool maybe the best right tackle in, football maybe the 687 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: best receiver in. 688 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 3: Football, right it just depends on what your team. Needed 689 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: would you, say, Oh i'd rather Have Jamar chase Than Piney, 690 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 3: SCHOOL i mean, maybe, Yeah but if you really need 691 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 3: a right, tackle. 692 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,719 Speaker 1: Like a stud playmaking right. 693 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 3: Already, Yeah let's say you already have a number one ride. 694 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: Receiver i'm just throwing a name. Out let's say you 695 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: already Have Justin. Jefferson, yeah you don't Need Jamar. Chase 696 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 3: you need that tackle right, Right, so and then it 697 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 3: just depends on the. Team All i'm. Saying my point 698 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 3: Then i'm trying it's a great point is not that 699 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 3: they're the, same like some of these are quote unquote 700 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 3: better than. Others but What i'm saying, is if YOUR 701 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 3: gm and YOUR sky evaluation knows what they want and 702 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 3: what they need for the, team you can pick it 703 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 3: five or seven and still get a person that is 704 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 3: equal in what your team. 705 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: Need is and so in the fastest FORTY i did 706 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: the actual like mathematical value as Like harvard or analytics 707 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 2: is trying to prove. It but you can do the 708 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 2: same thing, Too like you're like when you do your 709 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: big job when we do our big draft, board we're 710 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 2: gonna tear it out and between one and five or 711 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: maybe one in. Ten LIKE i remember in this last year's, 712 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 2: DRAFT i was, LIKE i don't really know if there's 713 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: a big difference between one and, Twelve like if you're 714 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 2: picking one overall to, twelve like they're kind of like they're. 715 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: They're happy with. Anything you're in the. 716 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: Same bucket for. 717 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 2: Me and so depending on how you tear this thing, 718 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 2: out some people will tier it one to twenty and 719 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: be like they're all kind of the. 720 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 3: Same maybe that's why teams are willing to trade back 721 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 3: correct BECAUSE i feel THAT i could pick a difference 722 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 3: maker at, seven BUT i can also pick a difference 723 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 3: maker at fifteen correct trade back to, fifteen. 724 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 2: Right and SO i think that's something just to keep 725 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: an eye. On And, jason you bring up a great 726 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: point here with. Fit fit is extremely, important vision for the, 727 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: players extremely, infrastructure, coach, offense, defense all that stuff's. 728 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: Important Like Derek brown is a great. 729 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: Example he's the next one on the list in twenty 730 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: twenty to a tongue of by Lower Derek. Brown Derek 731 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 2: brown was at seven, too was at. Five Derek brown 732 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 2: was hurt a couple of years, ago but now is 733 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 2: considered a top three defensive tackle in THE. Nfl so 734 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: it took him a couple of, years but his value 735 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: has been. Achieved and when you look when you compare 736 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 2: it two who's been benched To Derek, BROWN i think 737 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: you'd Say Derek brown is probably a more successful pick 738 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: at seven because of the, system the, defense the infrastructure around, 739 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: him as opposed to, two who's gone through quite a 740 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 2: lot of turnover there In. 741 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: Miami. 742 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 3: YEAH i, mean, BASICALLY i think what we're both saying 743 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 3: here is five and. Seven it's. Close it's closer than 744 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 3: maybe some people are going to let you. 745 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: Know, YEAH i think that's one hundred percent. 746 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 2: Right AND i think it's one of those things where 747 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 2: it's like people are going to have their opinions and people, say, 748 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 2: oh there's a drastic difference between five and. Seven in 749 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: my experience doing this last two years with you doing 750 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 2: WHEN i, played kind of going through the draft, process 751 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 2: if you do a good job with your board and 752 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 2: identify your, needs you might be getting your second best 753 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: player at seven because it's for your your. Team, yeah 754 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 2: and that added to me is excellent. 755 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 3: Value, Well i'm going to say something THAT ap has said. Here, 756 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 3: okay when it comes To jada And, daniels there was 757 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 3: a lot of talk when we had the number two 758 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 3: overall pick of if we would trade up to one 759 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 3: to go Get caleb because the consensus Was caleb was 760 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 3: the best quarterback in the, draft right AND ap, said 761 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 3: we didn't. 762 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: Move because our, guy our number, one. 763 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 3: Was gonna be there at, too our number one. Pick 764 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 3: why would we move up when we know we're getting 765 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 3: them at. 766 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: Two it's a, great great example WHY i do. 767 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 3: That so it just it, depends, Right like it really. 768 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 3: Depends it's not none of this is, linear AND i 769 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 3: think that that's, uh that's hard you have to understand 770 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 3: when evaluating, it and it's hard for people to. 771 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: Understand but that's our, first, big fastest forty levee of the, season, Right. 772 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 3: Yeah it took a little longer than. Forty we'll get 773 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 3: better at. It we'll get faster because we're just. Training 774 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 3: we're trying to get to the combine combine that that 775 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 3: forty at our combine is going to be super. Quick all, Right, 776 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 3: Logan i'm excited for The drive to The draft. Podcast 777 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 3: we're gonna come to you every Single, monday uh leading 778 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 3: up to the, draft and in addition to, that After 779 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 3: Shrine bowl, Practices Senior bowl, practices every day at The, 780 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 3: combine and after the draft, nights we will have special. 781 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 3: Episodes so you're gonna get a lot of content from 782 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 3: us all about The. 783 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: Draft it's gonna be, great all. 784 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 3: Right that's that's. 785 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 2: It