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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey you wasn't the Stuff to Blow

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Speaker 1: your mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick,

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Speaker 1: and we find ourselves here. This is you know, every

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Speaker 1: year people ask, hey, how do you get all the

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Speaker 1: episodes into the vault so they can one day become

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Speaker 1: Vault episodes. Well, today's the day. It's it's ongoing. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Carney has been loading the episodes from into the vault

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Speaker 1: all day and then at the end of that effort,

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Speaker 1: there was, of course in a New Year's Eve party.

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Speaker 1: So Carney is pretty worn out. Man. I am so

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Speaker 1: sick of the sound Carney makes when he's backing up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's a bit annoying, but you know, he

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Speaker 1: has to back up, especially when he's carrying the heavier loads,

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Speaker 1: such as, uh, the episode in the Ark of the Covenant.

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Speaker 1: But but I'm glad that has been filed away in

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Speaker 1: the vault as well. Yeah, but we're just gonna have

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Speaker 1: to get it back out again when those top top

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's been a fun year and we're about

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Speaker 1: your mind. I think it's gonna be pretty exciting. We

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Speaker 1: already have some some some pretty fabulous topics lined up there.

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Speaker 1: So of course other topics we've been meaning to get

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Speaker 1: to Allen that are now going to be twenty nineteen episodes,

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Speaker 1: like you know, you know what I realized as we

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Speaker 1: We've been trying all year twenty nineteen. It must happen.

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Speaker 1: Because I want to lie and say it's our most

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Speaker 1: requested episode. I don't think that's true. It's the most

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Speaker 1: just we just need to make an effort to it

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Speaker 1: to both see it again. Um. But I also want

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Speaker 1: love to really just dig into uh David Cronenberg video drume,

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Speaker 1: think they're they're I think the metaphor is even stronger now.

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Speaker 1: But today we're doing the listener mail thing. Carney is

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Speaker 1: Another month passes, and we have a number of great

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Speaker 1: bits of listener correspondence to refer to here. Alright, so

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Speaker 1: we already mentioned the Ark of the Covenant. Maybe we

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Speaker 1: Your discussion of the mutilated Dagon statue and subsequent plagues

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Speaker 1: stuff I'd never thought about before. Even though I still

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Speaker 1: hold that I think Raiders is probably the best action

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Speaker 1: adventure movie. I guess it depends on what else you count,

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Speaker 1: and you know, comparing like older and recent ones, that

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Speaker 1: can be kind of difficult. More recently, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's kind of hard to beat Fury Road, right.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that one was terrific, The Mad Max film. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's that's probably the best pure action adventure film that

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Speaker 1: that I've seen. It's come out in recent years. So anyway, yes,

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Speaker 1: always happy to talk about Rags of the Lost Arc. Alright, Well,

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Speaker 1: on that note, as we leave the Ark of the

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Speaker 1: Covenant behind us, let's take a quick break and when

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Speaker 1: we come back, we'll dive into even more listener mail.

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Speaker 1: Thank thank Alright, we're back all right. This next mail

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Speaker 1: came I think from an episode we did about the

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Speaker 1: concept of scientific reductionism, whether scientific disciplines all reduce ultimately

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Speaker 1: to h if you have a perfect understanding of them,

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Speaker 1: can they be perfectly reduced to lower level understandings of

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Speaker 1: physical reality? Like can chemistry ultimately be explained entirely by physics?

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Speaker 1: And can biology ultimately be explained entirely by chemistry? Or

446
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Speaker 1: at each level, are there genuinely new and unique properties

447
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Speaker 1: that emerge that you could not predict or understand just

448
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Speaker 1: by having a perfect understanding of the science underlying them.

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Speaker 1: Uh So anyway, Peter says, thank you for the distilled

450
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Speaker 1: awesomeness of your show. It makes my daily workouts and

451
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Speaker 1: exercise for my mind as well as my body. I'm

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Speaker 1: writing to point out that someone. Uh, And he asks

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Speaker 1: U Weinberg. I think he's sorry about Steven Weinberg, who

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Speaker 1: we talked about in that episode, who holds to a

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Speaker 1: theory about reductionism, that everything can be deduced to fundamental physics. Uh.

456
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Speaker 1: And he's pointing out that he thinks Weinberg is wrong

457
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Speaker 1: and is the best type of wrong, is provably wrong.

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Speaker 1: Via mathematics the mathematician Girdle proof and Ice talking about

459
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Speaker 1: Kurt Girdle there proved that not all truths that exist

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Speaker 1: in a mathematical system can be proved with the fundamental

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Speaker 1: axioms of that system. If there are fundamental physical laws

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Speaker 1: to the universe, you can't use them to deduce all

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Speaker 1: the possible behaviors of that system of truths that can

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Speaker 1: exist in the system. Based on the inside of Girdle's theorem,

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Speaker 1: I think that emergence is pretty much undeniable. It's provably

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Speaker 1: true in very simple mathematical systems. How much more true

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Speaker 1: must it be in our universe if it is governed,

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Speaker 1: as Weinberg holds by fundamental laws? You know this make Oh?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Peter. Yeah, that's an interesting thought. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I've heard uh Girdle applied to physics to

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Speaker 1: like the things in the world before. Girdle is usually

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Speaker 1: applied to UH logical or mathematical systems, and he's correct

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Speaker 1: about what. I think he's correct about what Girdles uh

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Speaker 1: incompleteness proofs show, which is that no system like no

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Speaker 1: system of numbers or anything like that that follows a

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Speaker 1: set of formalized rules can uh can possibly be used

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Speaker 1: to prove all the things that are true about that system? Interesting,

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Speaker 1: They're always going to be things that are true about

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Speaker 1: a system that you can't prove using the rules of

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Speaker 1: that system, and uh, and so yeah, I haven't thought

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Speaker 1: about how that applies to physics. That that is interesting.

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Speaker 1: There's been a subject I've been wanting to come back

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Speaker 1: to for a while, which is a question, a sort

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Speaker 1: of meta scientific question about the philosophy of science, which

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Speaker 1: is the question are there really universal physical laws? It

486
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Speaker 1: certainly is a helpful convention to say that there are

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Speaker 1: such a thing as laws of physics, but there are

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Speaker 1: some very there's some interesting philosophical work that says, you know,

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Speaker 1: even though we get consistent results and experiments, can we

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Speaker 1: necessarily say from that that there is such a thing

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Speaker 1: as a physical law? So anyway, I think that's worth

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Speaker 1: coming back to in the future. Oh, certainly. But but

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Speaker 1: before we go on, Carney has just alerted me that

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Speaker 1: the ARC episodes have just burnt through their their their

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Speaker 1: their their wooden crating, because we have another listener mail

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Speaker 1: that relates to the ARC that I can't get to Earthika.

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Speaker 1: This one comes to us from Kristen, and she says, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Robert and Joe, I really enjoyed last week's episodes on

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Speaker 1: Greek Fire. That was a vault episode we did h

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Speaker 1: and the Ark of the Covenant. In response to your

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Speaker 1: request for peaceful uses of the flamethrower, I present the

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Speaker 1: flame weeder. Last summer, I intern on an organic farm

503
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Speaker 1: and witnessed firsthand the wonders of this device. Farmers will

504
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Speaker 1: plant seeds like carrots and take a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: that take a couple of weeks to germinate. Then a

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Speaker 1: few days before they are due to sprout, the farmers

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Speaker 1: will incinerate the weeds that have grown with blasts of

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Speaker 1: fire him a large portable blowtorch. Not only is it

509
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Speaker 1: super cool, it lets farmers weed quickly without spraying any pesticides.

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Speaker 1: I would recommend doing a YouTube search. It is pretty

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Speaker 1: awesome to watch now. Kristen is actually not the only

512
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Speaker 1: person who got in touch to let us know about this.

513
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Speaker 1: I remember back when the episode came out, somebody else

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Speaker 1: linked us to this and they were like, here, here's

515
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Speaker 1: how you use a flamethrower for peace. Oh see, I

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Speaker 1: don't remember that one. I remember people I think there

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Speaker 1: was something using flamethrowers against rampaging mice or something in Australia.

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Speaker 1: But but but yes, somehow I missed this, uh when

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Speaker 1: when anyone else mentioned it to us. It reminds me

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00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: of the scene in uh Miyazaki's Nausica Value of the

521
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Speaker 1: Wind where they're going around through the Value of the winds,

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Speaker 1: food crops, and like burning the bits of spores from

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Speaker 1: the poison jungle that have spread there. Now. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Kristen also has some comments on the immrods in the

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Speaker 1: Secret Parts. Right, that's right, she says, on the topic

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Speaker 1: of em rods, I would propose that him roy it

527
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Speaker 1: would be a more effective curse than many people would realize.

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Speaker 1: It seems pretty effective, Yeah, she says. I'm an occasional

529
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Speaker 1: sufferer from this curse due to severe ibs. In modern times,

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Speaker 1: they are simply uncomfortable and obnoxious, but it is possible

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Speaker 1: they could have been very dangerous. For ancient people's chronic

532
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: hemorrhoids bleed and can lead to open fissures. With and

533
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Speaker 1: without germ theory or antibiotics and infection would have been

534
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Speaker 1: very likely. Death by hemorrhoids. What a way to go. Thanks,

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00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: so much for all the awesome podcasts and happy holidays.

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Speaker 1: This does remind me I remember hearing. I'm convinced they

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Speaker 1: always I always felt like they sounded potentially dangerous to

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Speaker 1: me because I would have at some point, maybe this

539
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Speaker 1: when I was in high school, like somebody had like

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Speaker 1: a second or third hand story of an uncle who

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Speaker 1: died from exploding gangrenous hemorrhoids. I don't know, I don't

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Speaker 1: know that they. I did not see an actual medical

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Speaker 1: paper on this. This was again second or third hand,

544
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Speaker 1: but this was the story that was going around, and

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Speaker 1: so it was enough to make me, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: from Earth from a very early point to consider hemorrhoids

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Speaker 1: as a potential explosive death scenario. Wow, well that does

548
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Speaker 1: not sound true. But um okay, how about one about

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Speaker 1: our Vault episode on dangerous Foods. Oh yes, this comes

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Speaker 1: from our listener, Melanie. Melanie writes, Hi, Joe and Robert,

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Speaker 1: I'm listening to your Vault episode on Dangerous Foods. When

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Speaker 1: you mentioned the toxicity of uncooked or undercooked kidney beans,

553
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: I just had to write in and share my story.

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00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: One time I decided to make a triple beans summer

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Speaker 1: salad from scratch with dry beans. I thought that simply

556
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Speaker 1: soaking the beans overnight was enough to get them to

557
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Speaker 1: the softer texture that we're used to when they come

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Speaker 1: out of the can. I didn't know they also had

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Speaker 1: to be cooked. When I ate my beans salad for

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Speaker 1: lunch the next day, it seemed a little crunchy to me,

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Speaker 1: but I figured I just hadn't soaked them long enough

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Speaker 1: and continued to eat it. A couple of hours later,

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Speaker 1: I started having a lot of stomach discomfort, bloating, and

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Speaker 1: feelings of nausea. It's so happens that I was starting

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Speaker 1: my very first day of an internship with a couple

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Speaker 1: of my classmates. We were in pharmacy school. Go figure,

567
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Speaker 1: so I talked to them about it, but we couldn't

568
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Speaker 1: figure out what was wrong. When the day was over,

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Speaker 1: I sat in my car in the parking lot for

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Speaker 1: about an hour because I was too nervous that I

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Speaker 1: would get sick during my drive home. When I finally

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Speaker 1: mustered up the courage to start the forty five minute commute,

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Speaker 1: I made it about ten minutes down the highway before

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Speaker 1: I had to pull over and release my stomach contents

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Speaker 1: on the side of the Highway. I called my husband,

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Speaker 1: who did some online searching at home to find very

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Speaker 1: quickly that uncooked beans are in fact toxic to humans,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned in the podcast. It was a lesson learned,

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Speaker 1: and I haven't been able to think of beans the

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Speaker 1: same way ever since. I am a fairly new podcast listener,

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Speaker 1: and I love your show. Is that very entertaining to

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Speaker 1: me during my long commutes to and from work. I

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Speaker 1: hope your long commutes to and from work, Melanie, do

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Speaker 1: not continue to involve uncooked being intestinal distress. I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: to hear that. All right, Well, I think the perfect

586
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: email to follow that one up is this email received

587
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Speaker 1: from Ellen, which touches on our farting episode that we

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Speaker 1: aired I think at some point in the last year,

589
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: but also the fartonomicon, the fardonomicon yes uh, and also

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Speaker 1: with some certain tie into our episode on ticks and

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Speaker 1: UH and related organisms. So Ellen writes, I just listened

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Speaker 1: to this episode referring to the fartonomicon and loved it

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Speaker 1: so much. I listened to it a second time right

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Speaker 1: after to make notes. It was great. I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. The skid at the end is, of course

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Speaker 1: reason enough to to listen to it twice. She says,

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Speaker 1: just a note about farts. I was recently diagnosed with

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Speaker 1: lime lime disease, and in the antibiotic protocol to cure

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Speaker 1: my lime, I went from being one of the gasiest

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Speaker 1: humans ever to now barely farting. One of the symptoms

601
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Speaker 1: to lime is fibro mayalgia, which I was never diagnosed

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Speaker 1: uh to to having. But when I googled, it realized

603
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Speaker 1: that one of the fibros symptoms is excessive gas. It

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Speaker 1: would be interesting to know different diseases that have gas

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Speaker 1: involved and how I cured my flatulence while curing my line.

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Speaker 1: Just an idea for you if you want to do

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Speaker 1: another fart episode. As you asked about people who don't fart,

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Speaker 1: I went from farting two hundred times a day too

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Speaker 1: maybe twice. Thanks Ellen. Now I would have to assume

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I would have to assume that

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Speaker 1: what happened here during the antibiotic protocol is that the

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Speaker 1: antibiotics cut down your gut bacteria load. Like they they

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Speaker 1: were harmful to the populations of gut floor you have,

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Speaker 1: which are what helped produce a lot of the gases

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Speaker 1: that come out of you during farting right right, or

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Speaker 1: it just simply created a magical circle into which the

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Speaker 1: the demon Lord toots for real zes could not pass. Oh,

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Speaker 1: they were like holy antibiotics. They've been blessed by a priest.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, see a little cross in each one, you know.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of exorcisms and whatnot, we did hear from a

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Speaker 1: number listeners about laws against exorcism and UH and witchcraft

622
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Speaker 1: in Canada, and actually I think a few different individuals

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Speaker 1: shared stories about it on in our Facebook group. Our

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00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: Facebook group is UH the Stuff to Blow your Mind

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Speaker 1: discussion module. You can find it on Facebook. You have

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Speaker 1: to you have to apply to join, but basically to

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Speaker 1: gain access, all you have to do is know the

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Speaker 1: name of this podcast. That's the only question. It's a

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Speaker 1: pretty low bar, but you'd be surprised how many people

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Speaker 1: apply and either don't know that information or forget to

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Speaker 1: input it. Well. I think that's just an indication that

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of scammers on Facebook or trying

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Speaker 1: to join all groups to spam them with you know,

634
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: work from home and makes a week. Yeah, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have nothing nothing of that. But we don't have

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Speaker 1: any of that kind of riff raff in our discussion module.

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Speaker 1: It's just all listeners to the show posting about episodes

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Speaker 1: and sharing stuff about squirrels. Yeah. Ever since our squirrel episodes,

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Speaker 1: we have had a heck of a squirrel takeover on

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Speaker 1: supplemental digital content there. Yeah, I hope people aren't getting

641
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: tied tired of it. They probably are. They probably are

642
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: getting tired of squirrels. I don't know. I think there

643
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: may be some new territories being uncovered. I feel like

644
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: there is a certain amount of repetition, but every now

645
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: and then it's just some new angle that I hadn't

646
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: thought of. Well, maybe we should mention a couple of

647
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: emails we got about squirrels and and related interspecies carnivory.

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Speaker 1: Let's do this one from Benjamin. Wait. I think this

649
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 1: is not quite squirrels, but it's close. Benjamin says, Hey, guys, first,

650
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: let me say thank you for doing what you do.

651
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to make my hundred and twenty

652
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: mile round trip commute without you guys. That sounds rough, uh,

653
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Speaker 1: Benjamin writes, I just listened to the podcast about animals

654
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Speaker 1: eating their own feces and loved it, even though I

655
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: definitely considered skipping it at first. However, after listening to

656
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Speaker 1: the stuff you were saying about rabbits, I had to

657
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: write in wait, this is not squirrels, this is rabbit's

658
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: eating poop. That's okay. Yeah, that's another animal episode that

659
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Speaker 1: I think resonated with a lot of people and produced

660
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: a number of field reports. Yes, so, Benjamin writes, it

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Speaker 1: reminded me of this time I was in college walking

662
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Speaker 1: to class and saw a bird dive combing the ground

663
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Speaker 1: out of the corner of my eye. Intrigued, I walked

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Speaker 1: over to get a closer look and saw that there

665
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Speaker 1: was a rabbit on the ground being attacked by this bird.

666
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Speaker 1: But the rabbit didn't seem to be phazed and continued

667
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Speaker 1: to go about its business Reluctantly. I got closer and closer,

668
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Speaker 1: and I noticed the rabbit had a live baby bird

669
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Speaker 1: on the ground in front of it. This is squirrel territory.

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Speaker 1: It became clear the rabbit was trying to eat this

671
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Speaker 1: little bird. After about twenty minutes of this airborne avian

672
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Speaker 1: assault from what I assume was the mother, the rabbit

673
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: finally hopped away. When I walked over to the still

674
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Speaker 1: alive baby bird to get a closer look at what happened.

675
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Speaker 1: It was to my horror that the rabbit had eaten

676
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: the legs off of this little bird. Definitely blew my mind.

677
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: Thought we had a classic case of binicula on our hands.

678
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: Thought you might be interested, and was curious if this

679
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Speaker 1: is common? Uh this from Benjamin Nicula, by the way,

680
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: is a bunny dracula that is in some what a

681
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Speaker 1: young adult or children's books herbivorous though I believe, I

682
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Speaker 1: don't know. I've never think well, I haven't either, but

683
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: I think bunicular just sucks. The sucks vegetables in some way.

684
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Speaker 1: It sounds fun. I had not heard of it before,

685
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: but our our our colleague, Lauren Vogelbaum, has a binocular

686
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: shirt that she wears to work. Well, assuming this story

687
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Speaker 1: is true, I don't know how to explain it. I

688
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: do not know if carnivari is common in rabbits. I

689
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: have never heard about that before. But then again, I

690
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: hadn't heard about it in squirrels until we decided to

691
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Speaker 1: dive into squirrel horror. So who knows. Oh, By the way,

692
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Speaker 1: minor squirrel slash scug update from my household, Um, it

693
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: has been been decreed that the word scuggie is okay,

694
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 1: like Scuggy puts kind of a you know, a fun

695
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: twist on scug Oh yeah, right. The Bonnie didn't like

696
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: scug because it sounded like you were insulting the squirrel. Yeah,

697
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: she said, you know, I can't quite put a finger

698
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: on it, but it just it sounds demeaning to the

699
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Speaker 1: to the squirrel. But then I would occasionally talk about

700
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Speaker 1: going out to feed the scuggies and uh, and then

701
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: that she said, that sounds all right, So I'm sticking

702
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Speaker 1: with that scuggy. Okay, yeah, I guess it does have

703
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: that kind of sound, But as far as I know,

704
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: skug has no negative connotations whatsoever. All right, let's take

705
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Speaker 1: one more break and we'll be right back. Okay, we're

706
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: back now. A number of listeners got in touch with

707
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Speaker 1: us about our follow up episode on the object Omu Mua.

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Speaker 1: We talked not too long ago about how there had

709
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Speaker 1: been some subsequent research on the first interstellar visitor object

710
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Speaker 1: in our solar system that we know about, an object

711
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: that seemed to have come from another star and another

712
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: stellar system somewhere out there in the galaxy, passed through

713
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: our solar system earlier last year and uh, and there

714
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Speaker 1: have been some study since then, one of which sort

715
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: of said, you know, it meets a lot of the

716
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: characteristics of what we would expect for a light sale

717
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: alien probe, but of course we you know, did not

718
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: conclude that yes, it is aliens, though the object does

719
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: continue to remain very interesting and has gotten arguably even

720
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Speaker 1: more into sting. So anyway, here is our first message.

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Speaker 1: This is from our listener Greg. Greg says, Hey, guys,

722
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: just finished the new Omu Mu episode and really enjoyed it.

723
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Speaker 1: But one thing stuck out that you guys mentioned in

724
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: Passing but didn't really explore. A mumua passed the Sun

725
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: inside the orbit of mercury. This seems like an incredible

726
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: cosmic hole in one in my book, did this trajectory

727
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: allow mumua to gain velocity using the Sun's gravity? What

728
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: are the odds of a random object flying into the

729
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: Solar system that would have such a perfect trajectory? Thanks,

730
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: and keep up the great work. Well, I don't know

731
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Speaker 1: how to calculate the odds of an object being like that,

732
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: though part of the argument people have made that it

733
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Speaker 1: was some sort of targeted probe is that, uh, is

734
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Speaker 1: that they thought at least it was very uncommon that

735
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Speaker 1: we would encounter a piece of interstellar debris of this

736
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: size in these characteristics, because it would it would make

737
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: it seem like debris of this kind is much more

738
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: common than had previously been assumed. Um. Now, I think

739
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: even since we did the episode, I saw at least

740
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Speaker 1: a headline for an article that some new candidates for

741
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: interstellar debris had been sighted within the Solar System. So

742
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's correct. I didn't look deeply

743
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: into that, but if so, that would make it seem well, yeah,

744
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: the issue is just that interstellar debris is much more

745
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: common than we thought it was. Right. And then, I mean,

746
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: it goes without saying that if something from from outside

747
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: of our Solar system enters our Solar System, it cannot

748
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 1: help but interact with the gravitational pull of our Sun.

749
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: Oh right, And that that's the other thing he says.

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Speaker 1: You know, would this did it get a speed boost

751
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: from the Sun's gravity? Yeah? Absolutely. I mean anything that

752
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: passes into the Sun's gravity, well like that, it gets

753
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: a tremendous boost in speed as it goes into its

754
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: par helion, you know where it's passing closest to the

755
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: sun and it's good. Yeah. I don't remember what Umu

756
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: MUA's peak speed was, but it was around when it

757
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: was you know, slingshotting around the sun like that, right.

758
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: But you know, it's kind of like you know, a

759
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: log on a stream and the stream is hit the

760
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: rapids and things are speeding up, like part part of

761
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: it is just that that those are the waters in

762
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: which it is moving. You know. So is if it's

763
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: intentional or or if it's accidental, which of course is

764
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: the more likely scenario. Uh, the the interaction is going

765
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: to be the same. Yes, So the answer is yes,

766
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: it got it definitely got a speed boost from the

767
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 1: sun as it went around the sun like that. As

768
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Speaker 1: to what the odds are that it would have that

769
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: trajectory as just a random piece of junk that was unguided,

770
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Speaker 1: I have no idea of knowing what those odds would be,

771
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Speaker 1: and I would I would suspect that you can't really

772
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: calculate what those odds are because you don't have enough

773
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: information to write. I mean, that still seems to be

774
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: that's an open question, that's very mution discussion, like what

775
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: are the odds of these objects? But good question, Greg.

776
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: All right, we have another Muamua listener mail, as one

777
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: comes to us from Robin, Hi, Robert and Joe. Just

778
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Speaker 1: a quick thought after listening to your latest update on

779
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: a muumua you mentioned looking for signals of advanced technology,

780
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Speaker 1: looking for something like a dicen sphere. This spirit of thought,

781
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: what a dark matter is dycens feares? Follow me for

782
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: a moment. Here, Large objects in the universe, like galaxies,

783
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: behave in a way that makes it seem like there's

784
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: a lot of matter out there, a lot of mass

785
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: that we cannot see. Thus, dark matter something out there

786
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: affecting things, something we cannot detect. Okay, now the dicense

787
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: here part. Imagine a efficient dicense fear, somehow capturing and

788
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: converting the from nefarious use by dastardly aliens all electromagnetic radiation.

789
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Speaker 1: We would then have the mass of a star affecting

790
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: everything nearby as usual, but invisible in electro in in

791
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: the e M spectrum, we cannot see it. And so

792
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: follows my far fetch conclusion. What if dark matter is

793
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: a bunch of dycens fears out there, a bunch of

794
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: e M invisible stars we cannot detect but which still

795
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Speaker 1: exert the gravitational influence. Perhaps a bit far out in

796
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: the ort is a theory, but food for thought. In

797
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: any case, Thanks for another thought provoking episode and keep

798
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: up the great work. Now, I love this as sort

799
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Speaker 1: of a sci fi scenario for alien technology, but I think,

800
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Speaker 1: uh uh, you know, I could be wrong, but I

801
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: think this can't be the case. And I think the

802
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: reason is that Dyson's fears would necessarily, according to the

803
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: laws of physics, have an e M signature. They would

804
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: be detectable by the electromagnetic radiation they produced. Now you

805
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: might say, wait a minute. I thought the whole point

806
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: of a dicensphere is that it absorbs all of the

807
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: light that a sun puts out and it makes that

808
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: into useful energy. Well yeah, okay, but then what happens

809
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: to that energy? Energy doesn't disappear, it gets used to

810
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: do work, and then it gets released as waste energy,

811
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Speaker 1: which is heat. So you would be able to see

812
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: the infrared heat coming off of these dicense fhares. They

813
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: would appear like dark objects that you know, we're not

814
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: producing light, but they're producing a kind of light, which

815
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: is the infrared radiation that indicates exhaust heat, and of

816
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: course the dicens fear would put out a heck of

817
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: a lot of exhaust heat. I mean, just imagine all

818
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: of the energy coming off of a star getting converted

819
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: into heat that's radiating into space. Because we're talking about

820
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Speaker 1: a hypothetical civilization here that had to turn to enslaving

821
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: stars in order to meet their energy demands. Yeah, so

822
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: you know they're they're they're really playing some high powered

823
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: video games. Right. Then again, maybe it's some kind of

824
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: you know, exotic matter thing that we don't even understand. Yeah,

825
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: that seems unlikely, but who knows. That's a great question anyway, Robin,

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Speaker 1: all right, this next piece of mail comes to us

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Speaker 1: from our listener Pat. Pat says, Hi, guys, my memory

828
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: was jogged when I heard your discussion about to Serve Man,

829
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Speaker 1: and this was in our horror Anthology episode at the

830
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Speaker 1: end of October, specifically your speculation on chirality and whether

831
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: aliens might need differently handed molecules as food. The author

832
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: James Blisch adapted Star Trek the original series episodes into

833
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: collected short stories during the nineteen sixties and seventies, but

834
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: he also wrote an original Star Trek novel called Spock

835
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: Must Die. The plot revolves around a transporter accident that

836
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: creates a duplicate version of Spock, who, like all such

837
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: sci fi mirror beings, is also morally reversed. He's a

838
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: bad guy. The problem is that both Spots are physically

839
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: identical Vulcans have perfect bilateral symmetry, so much of the

840
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: tension of the story comes from not knowing which of

841
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: them to trust. One of the Spots barricades himself in

842
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: Sick Bay, and when the story all resolves itself, the

843
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: reason he chose Sick Bay is revealed. He was mirror Spock,

844
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Speaker 1: and sick Bay was the only place on the ship

845
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: where he could manufacture the correctly handed molecules to ingest

846
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: he couldn't gain sustenance from the ship's normal food. Love

847
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: the show keep blowing my mind regards that's awesome. I

848
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: didn't expect there to be, because that was the thing

849
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Speaker 1: we talked about. It is like the idea that some

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Speaker 1: so here's an example of some science fiction that that

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Speaker 1: the future for your enjoyment and edification. Exactly. So Christie

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Speaker 1: the end of the Vending Machine podcast. It was mentioned

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Speaker 1: in so many words if there were an online equivalent

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Speaker 1: this has happened to anyone, but I think the online

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Speaker 1: equivalent would be when some something you buy online is defective.

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Speaker 1: Usually the company you buy you buy it from lets

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Speaker 1: kind of like a double prize if you can live

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Speaker 1: it the other day. This may have been on the

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Speaker 1: someone said, hey, do one on soap, and that sounds fabulous.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to do an episode on soap. Yeah, so Christie.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a really good point because part

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Speaker 1: of what we were raised in the vending machines episode

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Speaker 1: is just from my own anecdotal personal experience as a child.

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Speaker 1: I was commenting that I never would have stolen from

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Speaker 1: see I didn't feel like there was any problem trying

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Speaker 1: to reach up into a vending machine to steal something

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Speaker 1: out of it, which I don't think I ever accomplished,

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Speaker 1: if this is a generalizable distinction, people make like they're

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Speaker 1: visible human involved. Does that also extend online commerce? And

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Speaker 1: the more that I think about it. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: it probably does, right, because people are all the time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even people who would never like shoplift from

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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe claim that they didn't get a package

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Speaker 1: I mean, especially the Amazon being such a colossal engine

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Speaker 1: original even though it's defective, and you're stuck, like she said,

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Speaker 1: But I guess there are probably people out there that

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Speaker 1: try and gain the system, and then likewise, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Amazon has a whole fraud department to deal with that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I I do that. By the way,

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Speaker 1: even though when I was a kid, I would have

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Speaker 1: reached step into the vending machine, I don't do that

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Speaker 1: with online commerce, but I have I've heard tell of

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Speaker 1: people doing such a thing. Now. Speaking of the vending

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Speaker 1: machine episode, we also and I apologize I don't remember

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Speaker 1: the individual's name offhand, but it was on the discussion

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Speaker 1: seeing in Dark City, we discussed it. We discussed that absolutely. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I kind of forgot about that, But this is just

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Speaker 1: another reason. I just I find myself really wanting to

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Speaker 1: rewatch Dark City as well, uh, to see that automatic scene,

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Speaker 1: but also just see all the other spectacular weirdness in

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Speaker 1: that particular motion picture. Yeah. I haven't watched it in

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Speaker 1: a while, but I remember it was one of my

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Speaker 1: and uh, I think the individual that brought up Dark

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Speaker 1: City on in the discussion module, I think they also

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Speaker 1: something to that effect. So yeah, the call is still

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Speaker 1: out there for anyone who has had it. Really, if

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Speaker 1: you've had any experience with a weird vending machine, or

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Speaker 1: or if you you've encountered vending machines of the past

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Speaker 1: and have tales to tell of them, we would love

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Speaker 1: All right, maybe one last one here. This came to

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Speaker 1: us from Drew Drew says, Hey, guys, I was just

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Speaker 1: listening to part one of your episode on illusory truth,

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Speaker 1: and that was the pair of episodes we did about

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Speaker 1: the psychological phenomenon where once you have been exposed to information,

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Speaker 1: believe it later on. Basically, it's like a conditioning you

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Speaker 1: like obviously untrue. But anyway, Drew says, in that episode,

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Speaker 1: in a joke when they're already familiar with it. I

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Speaker 1: Internet memes can be partly attributed to the same idea.

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Speaker 1: If you were looking at a trending meme without any context,

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Speaker 1: it a second thought, whereas if you're already aware of

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Speaker 1: the meme, you may be more likely to find it

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Speaker 1: funny because you already know the punchline. Anyways, I love

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Speaker 1: the podcast, and I hope you guys can continue to

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Speaker 1: do it for a long time to come. Thanks. I

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Speaker 1: think so. I think that would that would why here.

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Speaker 1: But I find that especially with memes, memes like any

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Speaker 1: I think there's a there's a curve right Uh there.

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Speaker 1: You hear it and then you hear it again and

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Speaker 1: maybe it's a little funny, but then there's going to

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Speaker 1: You know. This makes me think about a book that

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Speaker 1: that I've recently been reading is by you You ever

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Speaker 1: heard of Amusing Ourselves to Death? By Neil Postman. No,

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Speaker 1: he's this cultural critic, this guy he wrote a book

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Speaker 1: and of course this was the eight so it was

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Speaker 1: if he's right overall, but I see this in trends

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Speaker 1: Dynamite in the background. Now they that that that does

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Speaker 1: That does make sense. This also makes me think that

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Speaker 1: point in the in the future because you're already doing

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Speaker 1: the research for it. Well, UH, just to clarify again,

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Speaker 1: I'm finding that book very interesting, but I'm certainly not

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