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Speaker 1: about the difference in the political parties. In fact, the
Speaker 1: two parties are not the same. Again, we had a
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Speaker 1: told us that the political parties were the same in
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Speaker 1: is yet another reminder of the dangerous consequences of hate
Speaker 1: and bigotry. The ongoing normalization and amplification of white supremacy
Speaker 1: and far right extremism poses a growing threat to communities
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Speaker 1: them toward this end. And I do believe that they've
Speaker 1: organized something for the little boy that was left behind,
Speaker 1: if you feel so inclined as to help this child
Speaker 1: who now has lost his entire family. Okay, the two
Speaker 1: parties are not the same. So now we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about right wing accountability. Excuse me exactly, I'll begin.
Speaker 1: I didn't know we were making things up for the show.
Speaker 1: So the title is where is right that makes a
Speaker 1: lom So that's why we're talking about it, or it's
Speaker 1: a right wing accountability or the lack thereof all. Right,
Speaker 1: this past week, former president, former president was found liable
Speaker 1: for sexual abuse. Okay, this means to civil suit, which
Speaker 1: I'll see it in entirely that it doesn't have as
Speaker 1: much weight as a criminal suit. The burden of proof
Speaker 1: is lower all those things, right, But again, let's talk accountability.
Speaker 1: There's a pattern of behavior here, indeed that was started
Speaker 1: by him himself in my mind, when he was on
Speaker 1: that tour bus being recorded in his own voice, and
Speaker 1: then subsequently admitted to saying that it's okay to walk
Speaker 1: up to women, and not just his own voice. Though
Speaker 1: this is a video, so you can see him saying this.
Speaker 3: This wasn't doctor, This wasn't Alio added to images later
Speaker 3: like no this.
Speaker 1: I saw the bus, but I okay, so go ahead.
Speaker 3: No, no, just there's it's a video of him saying
Speaker 3: these things. It's not just you know, some audio from
Speaker 3: an encountery he had. You don't have to use your
Speaker 3: imagination because you said in his voice, well you could
Speaker 3: see him saying it, so you don't even have to.
Speaker 1: So this is this is something. I never saw that part,
Speaker 1: but I did see the audio and there was a
Speaker 1: photo of the bus, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is years ago. So anyway to this point, however,
Speaker 1: despite it, you know, the burden proof being lower, and
Speaker 1: you know the bar rather I guess, being a little
Speaker 1: bit easier to clear or a civil case than a
Speaker 1: criminal case. There is something to be said here, Okay.
Speaker 1: First off, the jury has to be unanimous. That means
Speaker 1: everybody who heard what should have been both sides of
Speaker 1: the story. Donald Trump didn't himself show up. He committed
Speaker 1: to testify and decided he wasn't going to do it
Speaker 1: at the last minute, and then but he had his
Speaker 1: lawyer's present. They presented what evidence they had. A unanimous
Speaker 1: panel of jurors decided that Donald Trump was liable for
Speaker 1: sexual abuse, not liable for rape. Okay, So when he
Speaker 1: says later on in the story, when he says, oh,
Speaker 1: it's politically motivated, it's a witch hunt, I would think that,
Speaker 1: you know, if they're going to take him down, they're
Speaker 1: going to tie a word to his name, that would
Speaker 1: probably be the one they would do. So any reasonable
Speaker 1: thinking individual would see this and say, it's not like
Speaker 1: people to split the difference if they're really politically motivated
Speaker 1: and trying to sink somebody somebody's ship. Right. But again,
Speaker 1: that that that shred of doubt, that that little bit
Speaker 1: of deniability that's introduced into these conversations frequently, these right
Speaker 1: wing conversations, is enough to keep everybody who subscribes to
Speaker 1: that party. I don't want to say the philosophies, but
Speaker 1: that particular party. It allows them to live in a
Speaker 1: shared delusion among other folks who subscribe. You know, the
Speaker 1: part that's even more discouraging is that some of them
Speaker 1: don't even need a delusion in the wake of that
Speaker 1: story breaking while he was campaigning, which is insane, And
Speaker 1: this happened while he was campaigning and he was still elected.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. There was a young lady on
Speaker 1: the news with her two daughters letting them know that
Speaker 1: sometimes you're just gonna get groped, like, yes, that is okay.
Speaker 1: Sometimes that just happened.
Speaker 3: In order to stay true to her outward political beliefs
Speaker 3: and support of this man, she told her daughters on
Speaker 3: television that the things that he were saying were not
Speaker 3: just true, but that they were okay. So some of
Speaker 3: them don't even need the doubt or the delusion or
Speaker 3: the you know, that space for them to retreat into
Speaker 3: and say, hey, well maybe it was this. Some of
Speaker 3: them blindly support no matter what, to their own detriment,
Speaker 3: to the detriment of their children.
Speaker 1: And to the rest of us too.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure, but a lot of people would do
Speaker 3: things for their own benefit if it hurt everybody else,
Speaker 3: they wouldn't care. But I'm saying, to their own detriment
Speaker 3: and the detriment of their children, you didn't have to
Speaker 3: make it so broad as to.
Speaker 1: You know, really really have a bleeding heart and really
Speaker 1: want the best for your countrymen, for her daughters. In
Speaker 1: order to stay in line with her president, and you know,
Speaker 1: she couldn't waiver on TV. She had to say to
Speaker 1: her daughters on television that the things that he just
Speaker 1: said with regards to where he could just grab women,
Speaker 1: that that was okay? Who said this? Who said which part?
Speaker 1: To her daughters? She was just a random supporter of his.
Speaker 1: I'm not a celebrity or no, no, I'm sure we
Speaker 1: could find that video. It was just a random supporter,
Speaker 1: you know, make America great.
Speaker 3: And when presented with that information, after shed just for
Speaker 3: several minutes talked about how great a man he was,
Speaker 3: he couldn't say, oh my god, he's disgusting. So to
Speaker 3: stand true to what she'd been saying already, she had
Speaker 3: to turn to her children on live television, her two daughters,
Speaker 3: her two young daughters, get that off and tell them
Speaker 3: that the things that he just said were okay.
Speaker 1: How about this? So, as if that weren't enough, here's
Speaker 1: another trick. So, first off, the former president himself says
Speaker 1: he never met the woman he's now found liable for
Speaker 1: sexual abuse. Her name is EJ. And Carol says he's
Speaker 1: never even met her. Right. If you read the story
Speaker 1: about how she recalls the interaction between the two of them,
Speaker 1: you see that's it feels very un rand for this dude.
Speaker 1: But for him to say he never met her, that's
Speaker 1: all his followers need. It's his way and that's it.
Speaker 1: Everybody else is out to get him. Doesn't matter that
Speaker 1: a jury voted unanimously to h to find him liable
Speaker 1: for this and not liable for rape. That doesn't matter
Speaker 1: as long as what he says. It's almost like he's
Speaker 1: like a deity. It's like a cult, right. I think
Speaker 1: you've said that before, but I'll add to that. He
Speaker 1: plans to appeal this jury's decision, which further puts distance,
Speaker 1: put puts more distance rather between him and accountability. Right,
Speaker 1: And that's his right. You know, that's everybody's right. If
Speaker 1: you've got a decision that you feel the trial wasn't
Speaker 1: right or whatever, you can't appeal it. I don't see
Speaker 1: how he's going to approach this and get that, but
Speaker 1: you know it is it is. You're right if you
Speaker 1: can figure out a way to do it. And he's
Speaker 1: got a team of lawyers still somehow after firing and
Speaker 1: people quitting and whatever. But I expected to definitely see that.
Speaker 1: And so the impact of this story is weakened because
Speaker 1: he says, I don't know her. Well, first off, it's
Speaker 1: a civil suit. I've never been he says, good. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's just insane. Yeah yeah. And there's photos of
Speaker 1: them together. There's photos of them. So so anyway, so
Speaker 1: this is a person that we already know, is he
Speaker 1: There's no accountability for this person. He claimed that the
Speaker 1: election was stolen from him, right, and then really messed
Speaker 1: up the whole country further divided of extremely divided country
Speaker 1: over that one issue. Where we are in Arizona, we
Speaker 1: had our fair grounds out here. We have a place
Speaker 1: called the Arizona Fairgrounds. It's this huge like place where
Speaker 1: everyone goes. The Arizona State Fair is a big deal
Speaker 1: for folks that don't come to Arizona. Forgive us. It's
Speaker 1: just like that here. They occupied the fairgrounds to recount
Speaker 1: the election. You guys, remember this, the election recounts, You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because this guy couldn't take that
Speaker 1: l the way that he should have. We heard him
Speaker 1: trying to get up the votes and trying to you know,
Speaker 1: had court cases across the country, wasted everybody's time, wasted,
Speaker 1: millions of dollars, duped money out of his supporters, millions
Speaker 1: from people who are very poor, no accountability. And then
Speaker 1: after every single court case resulted in a loss for
Speaker 1: his administration, everyone or the case just being thrown out, exactly,
Speaker 1: every single one in every state that he challenged in
Speaker 1: across everything, they could not substantial one claim, could not
Speaker 1: prove one claim. Oh it's a mass conspiracy. Indeed, including judges.
Speaker 1: They reappointed everyone, right, not just people that are on
Speaker 1: the left, but people in his own party. He has
Speaker 1: a name for them, are called Rhinos Republicans in name only.
Speaker 1: It's an acronym. So no accountability for that. Let's take
Speaker 1: it a step further. Every single suit brought against him
Speaker 1: is politically motivated. It's a witch hunt. Mar A Lago documents,
Speaker 1: all that stuff in Georgia, indeed, the the Stormy Daniels stuff.
Speaker 4: Now this, even when we have overwhelming proofs and black
Speaker 4: and white evidence that points to the contrary and his
Speaker 4: mind and the mind of those who support him, it's
Speaker 4: all nonsense.
Speaker 1: It's all no need to hold this guy accountable at all.
Speaker 1: So We'll take it even further. What has this man?
Speaker 1: What did he campaign on? Build the wall? No wall?
Speaker 1: Sadly enough that build that wall was enough, but to
Speaker 1: stoke the fire of his supporters, not any promise of
Speaker 1: anything that he'd do for you. Ran his campaign on
Speaker 1: the foundation of I'm going to kick those people out
Speaker 1: and keep them from ever coming back here. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: voted for him based on that. So and he did
Speaker 1: nothing to that end. So watch this, no bolder wall.
Speaker 1: And he had a Republican Senate and a Republican House,
Speaker 1: I believe at a point in his presidency and could
Speaker 1: not get that across the line. I suspect because it
Speaker 1: was an empty promise among many no accountability. Let's move
Speaker 1: it on because we can pick on that guy all day.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about where's the accountability for the former president.
Speaker 1: We're talking about right wing accountability. So let's talk about
Speaker 1: another guy, George Santos. I know George Santos. Now you
Speaker 1: may not know who this guy is if you don't
Speaker 1: follow the news very closely, your politics very closely. But
Speaker 1: I'll give you a little bit about him. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: read from CNN the Justice Department on Wednesday unsealed federal
Speaker 1: charges against Representative George Santos and the New York republic
Speaker 1: and the New York Republican is in custody. Okay, Santos,
Speaker 1: who's astonishing pattern of lies and fabrications stunned even hard
Speaker 1: Politicos has been charged on a thirteen count indictment, including
Speaker 1: seven counts of wirefraud, three counts of money laundering, one
Speaker 1: count of theft of public funds, and two counts of
Speaker 1: making materially false statements to the House of Representatives. You
Speaker 1: can be charged for that. So here's here's where I'm
Speaker 1: going with this. I know that you know, if you're
Speaker 1: listening to us, you may not know who this is.
Speaker 1: Maybe you don't know this story, but belong. The short
Speaker 1: of it is, this guy basically lied his way into
Speaker 1: the House of Representatives. He lied about where he went
Speaker 1: to school, He lied about everything, who his parents were,
Speaker 1: how he got his money, what connections he everything of
Speaker 1: this stuff, you know what I'm saying, that he could
Speaker 1: use to embellish and then, after being pressured four months
Speaker 1: after the election, admitted that he made some embellishments and
Speaker 1: that he was sorry, but he really intended to serve
Speaker 1: the people of where's this place Staten Island in New York? Right,
Speaker 1: He made some embellishments on his resume, and he tried
Speaker 1: to like downplay. Sure. Now, the House of Representatives has
Speaker 1: a Republican the way there's a long Island. So the
Speaker 1: House of Representatives has a Republican majority, okay, And this
Speaker 1: Republican majority has the capacity to hold this man accountable,
Speaker 1: to expel him from the House, to maintain some semblance
Speaker 1: of integrity among their ranks, and to ensure that the
Speaker 1: people who put their trust in them know that that
Speaker 1: trust is well placed. Have the House of Representatives done
Speaker 1: anything whatsoever to move to make this right? I would
Speaker 1: say no. And what they have done real quickly. What
Speaker 1: they have done is they've removed him from like a
Speaker 1: committee assignment or something like that. Why because he was
Speaker 1: a distraction. My question she's still a sitting member, though.
Speaker 1: My question question to you is why would they There's
Speaker 1: no accountability, there's no consequences if they don't.
Speaker 3: Great point, but why hote someone accountable when your supporters
Speaker 3: have shown you that blind solidarity is really what they're
Speaker 3: here for.
Speaker 1: That's what they're here for.
Speaker 3: I saw that when our principles and our people, no
Speaker 3: matter what they do or say.
Speaker 1: I saw that with the Raphael Warnock versus herschel Walker
Speaker 1: campaign in Georgia. Everybody said, I don't care, I will vote.
Speaker 1: Everybody on the right said, I don't care, I will
Speaker 1: vote for herschel Walker, who cannot read, he cannot talk.
Speaker 1: He is Everything he says is nonsensical. He has lived
Speaker 1: in a moral life, he does not believe, he does
Speaker 1: not live by what he says that he lives by.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't care less if he's going to get
Speaker 1: in there and do Republican bidding. He's our guy. It
Speaker 1: does not matter that Rafael Warnock is a minister, that
Speaker 1: he's actually you know, none of that stuff matters. Preaches
Speaker 1: that I think it was doctor King's church, doctor Martin
Speaker 1: Luther King's church, all this stuff out the window, Warnock,
Speaker 1: is it okay? So this is the party of you know,
Speaker 1: God and Christian values and so forth, and you're not
Speaker 1: going to vote for the minister in labor.
Speaker 3: You can do a whole show on the idea of
Speaker 3: Christianity and nationalism and the intersection that they've met at
Speaker 3: and the way that they've used that to manipulate those
Speaker 3: who are less politically educated into thinking that they're some
Speaker 3: bidding of the Lord.
Speaker 1: And you know where we start them. Where we start
Speaker 1: is slavery. That Bible was used to keep us all
Speaker 1: in chains, all right, well, us, me and you and
Speaker 1: us all in chains to the benefit of other folks anyway.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't the Republicans that held this gentleman accountable.
Speaker 1: It was the justice system. Indeed, what we see with
Speaker 1: the former president the justice system, and those wheels turn
Speaker 1: very slowly.
Speaker 3: And then when the justice system steps in and law
Speaker 3: enforcement steps in, now they're screaming defund and now they
Speaker 3: stand opposed to the same how about that? And the
Speaker 3: same people go ahead scream back the blue now stand
Speaker 3: opposed to them, because how dare they try to hold
Speaker 3: us accountable for something?
Speaker 1: There? It is? All right? Now, I want to circle
Speaker 1: back to the person we talked about in the first
Speaker 1: part of the show, the person with the RWDS patch
Speaker 1: on his willet prove Best or whatever he was wearing,
Speaker 1: the tactical thing that he was wearing as he was
Speaker 1: shooting up that Aldrmal and Dallas or in the Dallas area. Oh,
Speaker 1: accountability all right, So casting doubt on the RWDS slash
Speaker 1: Nazi shooter. So rather than accept that this one is
Speaker 1: on us, indeed, many of these mass shootings, the majority
Speaker 1: of these mass shootings is on us instead of instead
Speaker 1: of some right, instead of some accountability. What have we
Speaker 1: done that has birthed this? What has what connections is
Speaker 1: this person making to what it is I believe should
Speaker 1: be our principles and values instead of doing some soul
Speaker 1: searching and figuring out what the what is, what we
Speaker 1: end up with is what I believe to be more
Speaker 1: toward the opposite. So, first off, this guy posted on
Speaker 1: Russian message boards, where you know, it's not moderated for
Speaker 1: hatred and racism, that sort of stuff. But people are
Speaker 1: trying to cast out because they're like, this dude doesn't
Speaker 1: even speak Russian, why is he posting on Russian message
Speaker 1: boards without you know, trying to find the real truth
Speaker 1: of the matter. The fact is that their English forum
Speaker 1: or English pages on this Russian Russian website or whatever.
Speaker 1: English is the international language. So if you speak Russian
Speaker 1: and the other person speaks Spanish, more than likely you'll
Speaker 1: communicate in English because it's the English. It's the language
Speaker 1: most folks know, so most foreign websites have a place
Speaker 1: to interface with other English speakers, like this I found.
Speaker 1: And indeed the Russian message board that this guy was
Speaker 1: on does have that. But if they on the right,
Speaker 1: if the reporters and pundits and folks say, well, how
Speaker 1: was he on a Russian message boards if he's a
Speaker 1: Mexican and he doesn't speak Russian, again, to cast doubt
Speaker 1: rather than accept some sort of accountability or trying to
Speaker 1: do some soul searching. Like I mentioned, now, this guy
Speaker 1: also has the same name. This mass shooter has the
Speaker 1: same name as a known drug cartel gang member, and
Speaker 1: folks are trying to say that he was a drug
Speaker 1: a cartel gang member rather than a far right Nazi shooter. Right, again,
Speaker 1: trying to cast out just has the same name as
Speaker 1: the guy. You know, a lot of times people have
Speaker 1: the same names, and again the idea is to cast
Speaker 1: doubt on this person's Nazi ties. So Elon Musk even
Speaker 1: weighed in on this like, well, I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: just asking questions this type of post, right, And this
Speaker 1: is why Q and I don't have Twitter anymore. We
Speaker 1: deactivated our Twitter. We are not going to be party
Speaker 1: to that guy. That guy there. Yeah, and I implore you,
Speaker 1: if you're a listener, I know there's information shared there,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that the good outweighs the bad. There,
Speaker 1: we invite you to come over to our side, delete it,
Speaker 1: join fan base. Let's roll, all right, I want to
Speaker 1: say real quick, the BBC confirmed independently that this shooter
Speaker 1: was behind his post on Facebook, even though folks tried
Speaker 1: to cast out on the authenticity of his Facebook account
Speaker 1: as well. And of course this list goes on beyond
Speaker 1: these three. Clarence Thomas, you know that list is very long.
Speaker 1: So where's right being a right wing accountability knows. But
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Speaker 1: All right, today we are talking about the man John Brown.
Speaker 1: He was born May ninth, eighteen hundred and he lived
Speaker 1: until December second, eighteen fifty nine. He was an American
Speaker 1: abolitionist leader. This is from Wikipedia. By the way, he
Speaker 1: first reached national prominence for his radical abolitionism and fighting
Speaker 1: in Bleeding Kansas was eventually captured and executed for a
Speaker 1: failed incitement of a slave rebellion at Harper's Ferry preceding
Speaker 1: the American Civil War. An evangelical Christian of strong religious convictions,
Speaker 1: Brown was profoundly influenced by the Puritan faith of his upbringing.
Speaker 1: He believed that he was an instrument of God, raised
Speaker 1: up to strike the death blow to American slavery, a
Speaker 1: sacred obligation. Brown was the leading exponent of violence in
Speaker 1: the American abolitionist movement, believing it was necessary to end
Speaker 1: American slavery after decades of peaceful effort had failed. I
Speaker 1: want to remind you one more time, this dude is white.
Speaker 1: Brown said repeatedly that in working to free the enslaved,
Speaker 1: he was following Christian ethics, including the Golden Rule, as
Speaker 1: well as the U s Declaration of Independence, which states
Speaker 1: that all men were created equal. He stated repeatedly that
Speaker 1: in his view, the two principles meant the same thing.
Speaker 1: Brown first gained national attention when he led anti slavery
Speaker 1: volunteers and his own sons during the Bleeding Kansas Crisis
Speaker 1: of the late eighteen fifties. A state level civil war
Speaker 1: over whether Kansas would enter the Union as a slave
Speaker 1: state or a free state. He was dissatisfied with the
Speaker 1: abolitionist pacifism, saying of the pacifist pacifists sorry quote, these
Speaker 1: men are all taught. What we need is action, action unquote.
Speaker 1: In May eighteen fifty six, Brown and his sons killed
Speaker 1: five supporters of slavery in the Pottowatomi Massacre, a response
Speaker 1: to the sacking of Lawrence by pro slavery forces. Brown
Speaker 1: then commanded anti slavery forces at the Battle of Blackjack
Speaker 1: and the Battle of Ohsowatomi. I want to make sure
Speaker 1: that you know that these were battles. It wasn't just
Speaker 1: like sneaking in people's houses and murdering people. You come
Speaker 1: with your weapons, I come with my weapons, and I win.
Speaker 1: That's a battle. We went to war. We both know
Speaker 1: what it was. Right. In October eighteen fifty nine, Brown
Speaker 1: led a raid on the Federal armory at Harper's Ferry,
Speaker 1: Virginia today West Virginia, intending to start a slave liberation
Speaker 1: movement that would spread south. He had prepared a provisional
Speaker 1: constitution for the revised slavery free United States that he
Speaker 1: hoped to bring about he sees the armory, but seven
Speaker 1: people were killed and ten more were injured. Brown intended
Speaker 1: to arm slaves with weapons from the armory, but only
Speaker 1: a few slaves joined his revolt. Those of Brown's men
Speaker 1: who had not fled were killed or captured by local
Speaker 1: militia and US marines, the latter led by Robert E. Lee.
Speaker 1: Brown was tried for treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia,
Speaker 1: the murder of five men, and inciting a slave insurrection.
Speaker 1: He was found guilty of all charges and was hanged
Speaker 1: on December second, eighteen fifty nine, the first person executed
Speaker 1: for treason in the history of the United States. That feels, man,
Speaker 1: I don't man. If heaven exists and I go there,
Speaker 1: I better see this guy. The Harper's Ferry raid and
Speaker 1: Brown's trial, both covered extensively in national newspapers, escalated tensions
Speaker 1: that led a year later to the South's long threatening
Speaker 1: secession in the American Civil War. Southerners feared that others
Speaker 1: would soon follow in Brown's footsteps, encouraging an arming slave rebellions.
Speaker 1: He was a hero and an icon in the North.
Speaker 1: Union soldiers marched to the new song John Brown's body
Speaker 1: that portrayed him as a heroic martyr. Brown has been
Speaker 1: variously described as a heroic martyr and visionary, and as
Speaker 1: a madman and a terrorist. Brown was well read and
Speaker 1: knew that the last words of a prominent person would
Speaker 1: be valued. On the morning of December second, eighteen fifty nine,
Speaker 1: Brown wrote and gave to his jailor ABIs the words
Speaker 1: he wanted to be remembered by. I John Brown am
Speaker 1: now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land
Speaker 1: will never be purged away, but with blood I had,
Speaker 1: as I now think vainly flattered myself that without very
Speaker 1: much bloodshed, it might be done. Now you may wonder
Speaker 1: why we decided to honor John Brown with our way
Speaker 1: Black history fact, and it's because of a post that
Speaker 1: Q sent over to me from Sean King, a person
Speaker 1: on social media who's very involved with politics but also
Speaker 1: with furthering a decidedly black agenda in this country, forward
Speaker 1: equality and equity. Shaan King wrote, excuse me, Happy birthday
Speaker 1: to John Brown again. He was born on May nine,
Speaker 1: so at the time it was his birthday. Happy birthday
Speaker 1: to John Brown, the best white man America has ever produced,
Speaker 1: He says, I always laughed when our dear brother Malcolm
Speaker 1: X said John Brown was his favorite white man in
Speaker 1: American history. But he was right a full two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty three years ago, in the year eighteen hundred,
Speaker 1: John Brown was born, and in the two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty three years since, I don't think that a single
Speaker 1: white man in all of American history has had his
Speaker 1: courage and tenacity at confronting the sins of slavery and
Speaker 1: racial injustice in this place. A whole lot of people
Speaker 1: talk it, he lived it. Now. I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that I say this, This in no way diminishes
Speaker 1: the value of allies, certainly not white men allies, because
Speaker 1: that's relatively speaking, a rarity in the space of those
Speaker 1: of us who really see each other as brothers and
Speaker 1: sisters and want to push toward a more equitable America.
Speaker 1: But you have to bear in mind that no matter
Speaker 1: which ally you're looking at now, you cannot hold them
Speaker 1: to the same standard as a John Brown, who lived
Speaker 1: in a country where slavery was the law and fought
Speaker 1: actively against that, and we're speaking against it was treason, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: punishable by death, which he suffered. So until such a
Speaker 1: time as we as a country are have devolved back
Speaker 1: to that point and a person gives their life for
Speaker 1: that cause. We're a little further along with slavery man,
Speaker 1: We're not as far along as we pretend to be.
Speaker 1: That's fair, I'll that's fair, But I mean in terms
Speaker 1: of in terms of folks who might think that this
Speaker 1: is a condemnation of white male allies, it is not.
Speaker 1: It's just celebration of this man in the time that
Speaker 1: he lived, giving his life for a cause that he
Speaker 1: didn't need to. We know that, and so we don't
Speaker 1: want people to compare him to anybody else who is
Speaker 1: a white male. Ally, we love everybody. We think you're
Speaker 1: doing great, but obviously he comes from a different time
Speaker 1: where he can be celebrated in this way. So well,
Speaker 1: that said, that's about it for us here on Civic Cipher.
Speaker 1: So thank you for listening. Once again. I'm your host,
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