Speaker 1: Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
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Speaker 2: We got lots to say, we got.
Speaker 3: Lots to save.
Speaker 2: What the Becker here and we hope you stay because
Speaker 2: we got lost to say, Yeah we got lost.
Speaker 3: Just say here's.
Speaker 1: Bobby Hey, welcome back, Mattcastle, Bobby Bones and Eric Decker.
Speaker 1: Eric good to say, Buddy, Yeah, you're the first athlete
Speaker 1: I think that I've known ahead of you getting here.
Speaker 1: Using Matt just shows up with somebody, that's the truth.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, uh me and my friend
Speaker 1: Randall cob Hey, Randall all right, Yeah, I thought he
Speaker 1: was you at my front door, and there's some resemblance. Well, no,
Speaker 1: you just kind of suck it following through to tell
Speaker 1: people where to go. I think, well, I told him
Speaker 1: the address.
Speaker 2: I figured he would text me when I said, didn't
Speaker 2: I say, text me when you get here?
Speaker 3: Didn't I say, Well, that's my I was in the
Speaker 3: middle of texting. He's usually late to things.
Speaker 2: I just know this from him was extremely early. Yeah, shockingly, yeah, shockingly.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was you at the front door,
Speaker 1: and I said, hey.
Speaker 4: Just where's the address for today. You can get there
Speaker 4: at twelve forty five and we'll start at one.
Speaker 3: Nothing else. Find your way wherever you know, smell smell
Speaker 3: the studio.
Speaker 1: Well, I saw him through the window and I just
Speaker 1: did a whoo like a finger whip. How is he
Speaker 1: to know what that means?
Speaker 3: I thought it was you, And I've never come to
Speaker 3: your front door.
Speaker 2: You've probably thought I had to go to the bathroom
Speaker 2: and you're like, no, bro, you got to go in
Speaker 2: the back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so goot to see it.
Speaker 3: We made it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we've You and I have been together in
Speaker 1: different circumstances, never like a sports show, always something more
Speaker 1: pop culture or country music.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, when did you guys first meet?
Speaker 1: The summer of sixty two? We would love the young gentleman.
Speaker 1: Did you guys ever play together?
Speaker 2: We did for the Tennessee Titans for two years, two
Speaker 2: years of the greatest years of my life.
Speaker 3: One year? But who's one year? Yeah, seventeen right, that's
Speaker 3: what I meant. Yeah, one year?
Speaker 1: Did you guys?
Speaker 3: What was that year for?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 3: Guess? Actually? We went to a playoff.
Speaker 1: We went to the playoffs.
Speaker 3: We beat the Chiefs, the Chiefs in the first round,
Speaker 3: and then we went to New England and kind.
Speaker 2: Of got beat down a little bit, but it was
Speaker 2: overall a successful year for us. And that was my
Speaker 2: second year. That was Mariota's third season, right, it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of coaching changes, I think, but I
Speaker 4: got a great story from that year between me and Cass.
Speaker 3: I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: I'm like the I'm like the girlfriend who wants to
Speaker 1: hear all the stories about there before. Yeah, that's kind.
Speaker 3: Of a weird.
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, this is why I love matth though, because
Speaker 4: you know there's you know, there's no boundary.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 4: Well, anyways, it's like week eight nine. We're in Pittsburgh
Speaker 4: Thursday night, I think, or it's a it's a primetime game,
Speaker 4: and I had these packages leading up, and so my
Speaker 4: story was I was kind of hurting training camp and
Speaker 4: then try to like come along and just kind of
Speaker 4: struggled really all season, to be honest, but that that game,
Speaker 4: I felt like I had more packages for me and
Speaker 4: then we never got to them on a side on
Speaker 4: the whole time it's third down going quick, you know,
Speaker 4: and then.
Speaker 1: Are you playing on the inside, We're playing the slot more?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that point playing slot more. We had some injury
Speaker 4: so I was kind of moving around a little bit.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: Sharon Matthews played outside for the most part. I was inside. Well,
Speaker 4: it's the fourth quarter, two minutes rail and I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know, sensimentally checked out. I'm like, well this this,
Speaker 4: this didn't go how I thought I was going. And
Speaker 4: the receiver coach is like, all right, get in, Yeah,
Speaker 4: young guys need to come out. You get in, like
Speaker 4: the no, no, keep the young guys in there. You
Speaker 4: want then play all game? Keep them in there and
Speaker 4: if someone gotten castles here.
Speaker 2: So he came up to me and he goes, hey, Cash,
Speaker 2: you got to help me out.
Speaker 1: He's like, Decker, Decker won't go in the game.
Speaker 2: I said what I was because because I'm sitting there
Speaker 2: and look, I'm just one of those guys. I was like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean he won't go in the game, right,
Speaker 2: because in my my point of view was Marcus was
Speaker 2: banged up.
Speaker 3: He had the ac joint, which a lot of people
Speaker 3: didn't know.
Speaker 2: And it's the fourth quarter, we're grinding away, we're getting
Speaker 2: beat pretty subtly.
Speaker 1: But then I go over and I'm in a race.
Speaker 1: You're not in the game.
Speaker 3: I'm not even in the game.
Speaker 1: They come to you on the sideline to say because
Speaker 1: they know, like.
Speaker 2: Look, I've I'm a veteran guy, I've got and he's
Speaker 2: a veteran. So I go up and I blow a gasket.
Speaker 2: I literally go up and sit. I'm in his face.
Speaker 2: I said, I can't believe you wouldn't go in the
Speaker 2: game right now? Are you kidding me? You're quitting on
Speaker 2: and look, I didn't know all the circumstances. I just
Speaker 2: was in a rage. Then he comes back at me.
Speaker 2: We got to get separated on the sideline. Oh this
Speaker 2: is real, like we're going to go fist a cuff.
Speaker 2: So then this is at the end of the game, right,
Speaker 2: So we go in. I'm hot, and so I get
Speaker 2: back on the bus. I'm always on the third bus.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting in the back and we've got the Bears
Speaker 2: back there, we got Ben Jones, we got the group and.
Speaker 3: Deck usually sits what about the middle or so.
Speaker 2: So he's walking to the back of the bus and
Speaker 2: I'm sitting down and I was like, oh no, I'm
Speaker 2: getting up for this because we're about to go, because
Speaker 2: I thought he was coming back to confront me and
Speaker 2: we're about to go to blows and so I get
Speaker 2: up and I stand up in the middle of the thing.
Speaker 2: And so now I'm looking like, is he gonna swing
Speaker 2: on me? What's he gonna do? And I'm getting ready
Speaker 2: to go, and he sticks out his hand, he goes, cash,
Speaker 2: you were right.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: And then literally we sat down together and had a
Speaker 2: full conversation for about twenty thirty minutes about it and
Speaker 2: gave both of our point of views a better understanding
Speaker 2: for what each of us were going through at that point.
Speaker 3: And that got squashed, but it made us closer.
Speaker 1: Is that the only time you've ever got into it
Speaker 1: with your own teammate on the sideline?
Speaker 3: No, for sure.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I was one of the biggest ones though, because you know,
Speaker 4: it was a critical time of the game, but we
Speaker 4: were kind of blowing out and like young guys were
Speaker 4: into the whole game, like just keep them in there.
Speaker 4: And so when he came over, I was already I
Speaker 4: already pissed off all the game was going, and so
Speaker 4: we just yea, we were exchanging but there's.
Speaker 1: You weren't mad at him, You're a mad situation. He
Speaker 1: was just a person that was going to suffer from you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was the messenger and I was mad.
Speaker 1: You has been like the enforcer, though, what did't you
Speaker 1: I look at you different now.
Speaker 2: Well, I was a guy that could absolutely I didn't
Speaker 2: shy away from confrontation, and I'd let somebody know where
Speaker 2: they would stand. And I think that's what people appreciate
Speaker 2: about me too. I wouldn't I wouldn't hold back my
Speaker 2: feelings or emotions or anything like that. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, if it was go time, they would know
Speaker 2: that I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: I've often talked about how when I see people fighting
Speaker 1: with each other, how if they keep their helmets on,
Speaker 1: you can actually do a lot more fighting with a
Speaker 1: helmet on, especially if you're just verbalizing it, because we
Speaker 1: can't tell. Like, if you keep the helmet on, you
Speaker 1: can say whatever you want, as aggressive as you want,
Speaker 1: because we can't tell because of the mask. And basketball
Speaker 1: and baseball you can't do that because there is no mask.
Speaker 1: So I feel like there's probably a lot of these
Speaker 1: type of situations without us knowing because you're not touching
Speaker 1: each other and you can't scream at each other if
Speaker 1: you leave the helmet on. Would that be accurate?
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 4: I mean, it depends out the season too, Like training camp,
Speaker 4: you got that all the time, and it's usually offense
Speaker 4: defense kind of back and forth, just because you're tired,
Speaker 4: you're banged up, and just it's hot and just like
Speaker 4: ready to be done with what you're doing. And so
Speaker 4: there's been plenty of times that it's gotten into a
Speaker 4: physical altercation, but a lot of times it is, you know,
Speaker 4: chattering back and forth. And you know, especially the sideline TV,
Speaker 4: we're all competitors and so you know, we want to win,
Speaker 4: we want we think things should go a certain way
Speaker 4: when you know communication, you know, in a sense of
Speaker 4: the warriors, like you're gonna come full force aggressiveness, and
Speaker 4: so that just it comes off that way. But at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, I mean, like I love
Speaker 4: casts and our confrontation was like a growing moment for
Speaker 4: us because we're able to overcome it. You're right, And
Speaker 4: I think that happens a lot throughout the league and
Speaker 4: teams go ahead.
Speaker 3: No, I was like I was gonna touch. No, you
Speaker 3: definitely get into like.
Speaker 1: I want you to fight now. Like I'm just like
Speaker 1: training camp.
Speaker 2: Training camp is awesome for a quarterback because all the
Speaker 2: big guys and even wide receivers DBS. It's so competitive
Speaker 2: and it gets just so methodical day in and day
Speaker 2: out going up against each other. They know your offense,
Speaker 2: you know their defense, and then guys get scrappy. But
Speaker 2: from a quarterback perspective, when they get in a fight,
Speaker 2: it almost is entertainment because I'm sitting there like should
Speaker 2: I break this up?
Speaker 1: Or should I watch these guys go?
Speaker 2: Kind of you know, I'm not gonna go get in
Speaker 2: the mix and like throw blows or anything. But it's
Speaker 2: an entertaining part of camp and it happens every single year,
Speaker 2: but usually you get more verbal altercations than anything else.
Speaker 2: I do remember one scrap though. During training camp. I
Speaker 2: was with kNs City and we had Thomas Jones and
Speaker 2: Jonathan Ball Jonathan, uh it's not Baldwin, Maybe it is Baldwin.
Speaker 2: Jonathan Balin he was our first round pick. And so
Speaker 2: he's sitting there and Thomas and him start mouthing off
Speaker 2: back and forth, and we're throwing medicine balls off of
Speaker 2: like the blocks, and so you sit down and throw
Speaker 2: out and so finally he got to a point and
Speaker 2: Thomas Jones had enough and he was a full veteran guy,
Speaker 2: like twelve years in, didn't take it off anybody. He
Speaker 2: turns around and chucks this medicine ball into Jonathan's face
Speaker 2: wam from point blank range, and they go full scrap
Speaker 2: in the weight room, and I was like, what is
Speaker 2: going on right now?
Speaker 1: No pass by the way lifting.
Speaker 2: Jonathan of course throws a blow, hits him, breaks his
Speaker 2: thumb out for the first six weeks this season. So
Speaker 2: it's like one of those where you're like, look, guys,
Speaker 2: we got to know when to get in these things
Speaker 2: and when not to.
Speaker 3: But if it hurts the team, that's when it becomes
Speaker 3: a bat to Gino Smith broken jaw in the locker.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, were you there for that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh man, Well it was over nonsense. So I forget
Speaker 4: the defensive player's name, but he was invited to Gino's
Speaker 4: camp that summer for kids, and he decided not to
Speaker 4: show up, and so Gino is mad. Gino's yapping him
Speaker 4: actually the all the way around. Excuse me, this defensive
Speaker 4: player is having a camp for kids. Gino's supposed to come,
Speaker 4: he din he canceled well in training camp. It was
Speaker 4: an issue, I guess, And so all of a sudden
Speaker 4: they're apping away and Gino comes over and says something.
Speaker 4: He turns around and clocks him in the jaw where
Speaker 4: I mean he had surgery, closed jaw.
Speaker 3: He was out.
Speaker 4: We had Fitzpatrick come in. That kind of changed the
Speaker 4: season for US twenty fifteen New York because we had
Speaker 4: a successful season with Fitzpatrick. But man, just like stupid stuff,
Speaker 4: like you're saying, well, that was that's pretty extreme.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't believe you didn't come to my camp.
Speaker 1: It does make sense just the environment of you've got
Speaker 1: competitive people. Obviously you've got a lot of testosterone. You've
Speaker 1: got people that are not only you're competing against each
Speaker 1: other the first part of the year too, Like I
Speaker 1: can see where you could really the weather sucks almost
Speaker 1: everywhere everywhere, So with that, I can see that there
Speaker 1: are probably a lot of fights. But with you both
Speaker 1: of you guys, was it always It's gonna happen, but
Speaker 1: let's make sure it stays inside the locker room. We
Speaker 1: don't share this outside of the locker room one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And nowadays I think that it's probably more open just
Speaker 2: because of social media. Somebody says one thing or tells
Speaker 2: an agent and it gets out, especially if somebody's hurt
Speaker 2: like in Geno circumstances, there's no hiding that he's out.
Speaker 2: For the first part of season, there was no hiding
Speaker 2: Jonathan Baldwin breaking his thumb hitting somebody and that comes out.
Speaker 2: But for the most part, I've been in the locker
Speaker 2: room where there's been altercations and blows thrown and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. Where it's in house, it's handled in house.
Speaker 2: There might be some kind of fine conduct detrimental something
Speaker 2: like that, but usually it's not released out into the
Speaker 2: media unless somebody squeals and somebody says something which you know,
Speaker 2: then the coach is gonna identify it or try to
Speaker 2: identify it and address it before it gets out of control.
Speaker 1: I was talking to yesterday PJ flak head coach Row
Speaker 1: the Boat, Row the Boat, So and like that guy,
Speaker 1: you like him.
Speaker 3: He's elite.
Speaker 1: Obviously you have a at least an emotional Relationship's where
Speaker 1: you went to school, right, Yeah, I was trying to
Speaker 1: convince it to come down to Darkansas lead a coach.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I was just I was letting him know what the
Speaker 1: weather's like a little more temperate. The fall colors are beautiful,
Speaker 1: and I think it's pretty happy up there. Minnesota, though, Man,
Speaker 1: that's cold, and everybody that comes into play, especially even
Speaker 1: with Castle playing in Kansas City, I just stay and
Speaker 1: talk about how cold it is, Like that's a different
Speaker 1: kind of cold right when it gets later in the.
Speaker 3: Year, it is. I mean, I grew up there, so
Speaker 3: it'd be a wide receiver too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, I mean when you when you
Speaker 4: live there, you're raised there, you don't know any better.
Speaker 4: My vacations were Wisconsin, South Kotina.
Speaker 3: Like that you stayed.
Speaker 4: I didn't leave the Midwest. I didn't know there was
Speaker 4: not a beach or weather in the South. But no,
Speaker 4: you're right, I mean it definitely six months of the
Speaker 4: year now is unbearable for me. Like I could never
Speaker 4: live there or raise my family there. It's a beautiful
Speaker 4: place in the summer, but it does get really tough.
Speaker 4: I think it maybe speaks to the character of those
Speaker 4: that survive, Like my parents are in there having these
Speaker 4: and they're still and then I'm like, you choose to
Speaker 4: be here, but it's their community, you know. I think
Speaker 4: it just it builds the character and happy for them.
Speaker 4: But I could never do it.
Speaker 1: What do you think about him? You know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I love Pji you know, he I was
Speaker 4: down here recruiting last year. We had dinner, and I'll
Speaker 4: get up to a game every like once a year.
Speaker 4: Usually I'll try to make up there for the fall.
Speaker 4: But I love just his character, his story. You know,
Speaker 4: he gets the most out of his guys. In Minnesota
Speaker 4: is kind of like a farm system, I feel like
Speaker 4: for the Big ten, like it's hard to keep really
Speaker 4: good players, and so he really does suck the most
Speaker 4: of his guys and he gets some good athletes. You know,
Speaker 4: We've had skilled guys over the last five years, and
Speaker 4: usually it's not hard to get big guys in Minnesota,
Speaker 4: but just fun to see them play. And I think
Speaker 4: his energy is so infectious. It's it's kind of spread
Speaker 4: throughout the whole campus really, and so I'm happy for
Speaker 4: his success. You know, not much expectations for Minnesota because
Speaker 4: of the Ohio States and the Michigan's USC now Oregons,
Speaker 4: but what they're doing at the Minnesota has been incredible.
Speaker 2: He just had a big win though against Nebraska, seven
Speaker 2: and one against Nebraska.
Speaker 1: He did say there was like one to seventy as Iowa. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they said to be fair that he might own Matt role,
Speaker 1: but he gets owned by Iowa experience and yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna play this week. When you guys played Iowa, I
Speaker 1: mean was that you guys biggest rival was Wisconsin?
Speaker 4: Wisconsin? Iowa were the biggest. I beat Iowa once and
Speaker 4: never beat Wisconsin. So what were you guys playing for?
Speaker 4: What was the trophy?
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: Iowa game. Yeah, then the acts for the Wisconsin game.
Speaker 4: But the pig, Yeah, for the Iowa was huge. I remember,
Speaker 4: you know, I think weighs probably three hundred pounds too.
Speaker 4: So the first time he won.
Speaker 1: It, it's like, wait, it was three hundred pounds.
Speaker 3: I felt like a but he lifted up by arm
Speaker 3: overhead process.
Speaker 4: I think the golf car was brought over just to
Speaker 4: throw it on it, but no, it was Uh. Those
Speaker 4: games are fun because it makes it more special. You know,
Speaker 4: it's a big rivalry, and to have something to play
Speaker 4: for in showcase, you know, in the facility is cool.
Speaker 3: So in growing up in high school, you were a
Speaker 3: three the three sport athlete.
Speaker 2: What was the cooldest that you played in high school
Speaker 2: in a football game?
Speaker 1: Because you guys are playing obviously, Yeah, when the weather starts.
Speaker 4: To turn, yeah, I think we kind of ended well,
Speaker 4: state tournament was in November, but that was in the
Speaker 4: measure dominos around Oh real, we were inside then. But
Speaker 4: I would say a game in Fergus Falls, which is
Speaker 4: like northern Minnesota, late October, you know, just kind of
Speaker 4: like probably New England where it was single digits maybe
Speaker 4: zero degrees with the windshiel of you know, negative ten,
Speaker 4: negative fifteen.
Speaker 3: You probably didn't have the equipment like.
Speaker 1: A New England. You're getting paid and they have they've
Speaker 1: got equipment.
Speaker 2: People that will be like, hey, dude, where are these
Speaker 2: three sleeves, and you'll actually.
Speaker 3: Beat the benches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, anybody that's ever lost a tower or
Speaker 2: finger in that conditions.
Speaker 1: Luckily, No, that's a good question, right, Yeah. Whenever, why'd
Speaker 1: you go to Minnesota? Was it easy?
Speaker 3: Well, it was only Scotip I got. So.
Speaker 4: My plan was from a small town, rural Minnesota, was
Speaker 4: to go to a Division three school. Saint John's was
Speaker 4: a big program at the time, and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: I was kind of a home body, didn't go to
Speaker 4: any camps, didn't really showcase myself, but got invited to
Speaker 4: one day go for camping like that, I want to,
Speaker 4: I'll go down. So I went down and on the
Speaker 4: Spotland Mason offered me a scholarship.
Speaker 3: Was like, I'll take it.
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, I had nothing else, but what about
Speaker 1: basketball or baseball? I assumed that three or baseball unless
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, Ross or something. I don't know did
Speaker 1: three sports?
Speaker 3: Baseball and basketball? Baseball?
Speaker 4: You know, women, they didn't have full time I mean,
Speaker 4: excuse me, a full scholarship at the time. Basketball, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe Division two, Division three type offers. You know, there
Speaker 4: was always lower tier offers. I was like, you know what,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna stay close to home. That was That
Speaker 4: was kind of always the mindset. I wanted to play
Speaker 4: all three sports in college, so that felt like that
Speaker 4: was the route.
Speaker 3: I wanted to go.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm happy that I really changed the
Speaker 4: tracking and went to Minnesota because it obviously changed my life.
Speaker 1: When did you start actually catching balls? Because you have
Speaker 1: the record there right for receptions at Minnesota? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I still do. I know, Tell Johnson was catching
Speaker 1: up somewhere. Were you looking to this first and second?
Speaker 3: First in reception?
Speaker 1: Second yards?
Speaker 3: Okay, receptions, let's go.
Speaker 1: When did you start catching balls? Freshman year?
Speaker 3: Freshman ye year?
Speaker 1: Did you play immediately?
Speaker 4: I read shured. So I red shared my first year.
Speaker 4: I actually was close to getting in. So my receiver
Speaker 4: coach made me leave my helmet in the locker room
Speaker 4: because he didn't want me.
Speaker 3: To burn my.
Speaker 1: We need you down the road.
Speaker 3: It was once you played one one down, yere.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Was it one down back then?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I thought it was three games.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, right, you have to reach before the third
Speaker 2: game if you haven't played yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 4: It was like we were ranked my rusher year close
Speaker 4: to the top ten, top fifteen, but we were playing
Speaker 4: Penn State at Penn State and uh we got wrecked.
Speaker 4: But it was kind of in that time range where
Speaker 4: he wanted to throw me in. Luckily I didn't. But
Speaker 4: it was good development that first year because I mean,
Speaker 4: I want to changed the pace from high school to college.
Speaker 2: Talk about the development that go you went through from
Speaker 2: coming in as a freshman probably a little bit raw,
Speaker 2: and then this is big time football and the development
Speaker 2: from what year one to year two and then as
Speaker 2: you advanced through those years.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that first year was tough. Uh.
Speaker 4: First of all, I put on fifteen pounds because the
Speaker 4: buffets are in training camp are phenomenal so I thought
Speaker 4: I had asthma's I'm not just fat. But it was,
Speaker 4: you know, the grind of practices and then balancing the
Speaker 4: school as well. There was a time after the season,
Speaker 4: because I've read shired. It wasn't playing. I was my
Speaker 4: practice Dumby and it was five degrees outside. We had
Speaker 4: five o'clock workouts. I had a mope pet I'm there
Speaker 4: with my snow bill helmet on and my snow Seriously, yeah,
Speaker 4: I lived the half a mile from the facility, maybe
Speaker 4: a little further than that, but I'm riding like what
Speaker 4: am I doing? Like what do I really want this?
Speaker 4: And I was questioning if, like this was my future
Speaker 4: and so I had kind of a coming Jesus moment
Speaker 4: and uh man, it was it was just like grind
Speaker 4: in the office. It was so hard, like I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna stick with a stick with a stick with and
Speaker 4: I stuck with it. So my rest shirt year, I
Speaker 4: started to play a special teams, started to play receiver,
Speaker 4: had kind of a position and had success. And at
Speaker 4: that point I was like, you know what, I think
Speaker 4: I can play with these guys and started to build confidence.
Speaker 4: And I had a lot of older guys that were
Speaker 4: great mentors. Matt Spaith played in the league and won
Speaker 4: a championship at Pittsburgh. Logan Payne was an old receiver
Speaker 4: who kind of took me under his wing, and so
Speaker 4: those guys were really helpful and just my development early
Speaker 4: on of building confidence and understanding, you know, what it
Speaker 4: takes to be a football player in the Big Ten.
Speaker 4: And so as the years kind of chugged along, I
Speaker 4: just had more confidence that Okay, I can play. I
Speaker 4: can play, and I built my strength up, I got
Speaker 4: a little faster, did some offseason workouts with Layerson Gerald,
Speaker 4: and like just being around that environment was like, I
Speaker 4: love this, this is what I want to do.
Speaker 1: At what point did you realize that if you set
Speaker 1: a goal to play the next level it was possible.
Speaker 4: Probably my resture sophomore year there was you know, pro
Speaker 4: caliber DB's on other Big Ten teams and I was
Speaker 4: having success against them. I was like, I can play
Speaker 4: with these guys. I think I can make it for
Speaker 4: the next step up. So that was kind of like
Speaker 4: the lead into the confidence. That's everything about an athlete
Speaker 4: is just having confidence in your ability and performing.
Speaker 3: At a high level.
Speaker 4: So that was probably the turning point halfway through my
Speaker 4: sophomore year when I was having success.
Speaker 2: And then you also played baseball on college, right, and
Speaker 2: how did that work with off season training?
Speaker 3: And yeah it was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you get out of it?
Speaker 3: I got. I played one year in college.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is amazing.
Speaker 3: No springball, No spring ball. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So we played always, like in the New Year's Eve
Speaker 4: Bowl for football. So after that, I'd take a week
Speaker 4: off and then go right into baseball. And then our
Speaker 4: season kicked off like February, we started playing games so outfield,
Speaker 4: center field, and then so March around April, we're out
Speaker 4: there just you know, batting practice, throwing some balls, doing
Speaker 4: a couple of catching drills, and you hear the music
Speaker 4: pounding because the football practice facility is right next to
Speaker 4: our baseball stadium, and so man, just I'm like, thank
Speaker 4: you got them out over there.
Speaker 2: Did you ever feel like you were losing that competitive
Speaker 2: battle not being in spring ball as a young guy
Speaker 2: like growing up feeling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, man, I'm playing baseball.
Speaker 2: They're they're grinding right now. Is that gonna hurt me
Speaker 2: in the depth chart or am my playing ability?
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 4: I thought it was pretty confident and where I was
Speaker 4: out of us in that particular room with receivers. But
Speaker 4: I think I just enjoyed. It's such a different challenge, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, baseball is such a different challenge. It's a
Speaker 4: different mentality, it's just a different environment. And I was
Speaker 4: thriving in that because it just was fun and it
Speaker 4: wasn't as physical, It wasn't as you know, it was
Speaker 4: a mental game for sure. Playing sixty plus games in
Speaker 4: the year is a lot with baseball, but it just
Speaker 4: the mental part of like having to recover from injuries
Speaker 4: all the time and trying to like you know, get
Speaker 4: through every day to get to Saturday for the game.
Speaker 4: So I didn't have the like, oh crap my behind
Speaker 4: or am I trailing someone. I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be present. I'm gonna enjoy this baseball and then when
Speaker 4: summer comes around, I'm gonna get back on the grind
Speaker 4: and earn me.
Speaker 2: It was like a mental release too, like getting away
Speaker 2: from the grind of the concept where am I on
Speaker 2: the depth chart, you know, the grind of spring ball
Speaker 2: I'm competing constantly, where you go out and you play
Speaker 2: a game that you love. It was almost like a
Speaker 2: reset button. So then when you came back to football,
Speaker 2: it was like, Okay, I'm ready to go for the
Speaker 2: fresh Yeah, you're refreshed and mentally you're ready to go.
Speaker 4: That's my biggest thing, you know, with my kids too,
Speaker 4: and my oldest is actually a specialized athlete. But like,
Speaker 4: playing multiple sports is such a nice balance because not
Speaker 4: only does it challenge different skill sets and you got
Speaker 4: to learn leadership or teamwork within different teams in sports.
Speaker 4: But it's like it is reset button. It's you know,
Speaker 4: you're focusing on football in the fall, then you go
Speaker 4: to basketball in the wintertime and then baseball, and it's
Speaker 4: like otherwise you get burnt out. That's scarcely. Part of
Speaker 4: it is like, you know, who can last playing one
Speaker 4: sport for years unless you're getting paid a bunch of money,
Speaker 4: which now college athletes are. But that that was my
Speaker 4: struggle was just like I felt like I would get
Speaker 4: burnt out coming summertime, like, oh spring balls are start work.
Speaker 4: We're just getna break and you know it just back
Speaker 4: to the workout.
Speaker 1: Was there a consideration to keep playing baseball after college
Speaker 1: versus football?
Speaker 4: I had a conversation. I just wasn't as developed, I
Speaker 4: think as a hitter, so I was not sure I
Speaker 4: wanted to take that path. And also I loved football
Speaker 4: because it was more structured. You know, you played one
Speaker 4: one game a week. You're at home. You know, you
Speaker 4: traveled maybe a couple of days, three days of the most.
Speaker 4: Or baseball you're on the road a lot, and you
Speaker 4: may not ever make it to the major leagues. You know,
Speaker 4: you get caught in the minor leagues. You're on the bus,
Speaker 4: you're just the lifestyle is completely different, and I always
Speaker 4: knew I wanted the family. Again, I'm a home body guy.
Speaker 4: I like consistency, I like structure, so football kind of
Speaker 4: gave me that. But I did go through the draft
Speaker 4: process of baseball and talk to teams and I just
Speaker 4: felt like, you know, this probably isn't for me, because
Speaker 4: they wanted me to play summer baseball and get more
Speaker 4: at bats and kind of just work that craft. And
Speaker 4: I wasn't willing to do it.
Speaker 3: But you got drafted right twice I did. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean fifty rounds. You're gonna you know, hey.
Speaker 2: You got drafted a bus ticket and a free meal
Speaker 2: ticket to Cracker Barrel.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh, after I asked for like guaranteed money like football
Speaker 4: in the second round. They're like, I'm like, okay, but yeah,
Speaker 4: Twins Milwaukee Brewers.
Speaker 3: So it's pretty cool. I mean, the hometown team get
Speaker 3: to draft you.
Speaker 1: Are you just a magnet of cold places? And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's look, let's look across the board. Who do best
Speaker 1: in cold weather? Well, Decker plays everything, so let's just hockey.
Speaker 1: They're they're trying to draft me in the NHL. We
Speaker 1: can develop that skill set. What was the pre draft
Speaker 1: process like in football for you?
Speaker 4: Well, my my senior year in football, I had a
Speaker 4: list Frank's brain so it's like a mid foot tear
Speaker 4: of the metatarsal, so I had hardware put in. I
Speaker 4: was out this is December. I had surgery, so I
Speaker 4: was out for eight months. So I was out during
Speaker 4: UH combine. I was out during kind of the whole
Speaker 4: Pro Day and draft process. I did a bunch of
Speaker 4: you know, obviously going to Pro Day, doing the interviews
Speaker 4: and doing kind of the mental part of it. But
Speaker 4: it was nerve racking because I'm a white guy from
Speaker 4: Minnesota playing a skilled position that you know, there's not
Speaker 4: a lot of us, so I didn't know what to expect.
Speaker 4: I visited a lot of teams. There was a lot
Speaker 4: of interest, but all I had to do was just
Speaker 4: kind of focus on getting healthy. And that's where actually
Speaker 4: I was in Arizona training. I met Demarus Thomas. There's
Speaker 4: a group of us training down there, and he all
Speaker 4: of a sudden tore his fifth ment of tarsel during
Speaker 4: during workouts, and so we really bonded through kind of
Speaker 4: that process of being in the athletic training room and
Speaker 4: having to do our rehab and PT and just kind
Speaker 4: of get back on the field in the sense. So
Speaker 4: I think when I look at it, it.
Speaker 3: Was something I needed. I needed a break. I was
Speaker 3: burnt out from playing.
Speaker 4: Football baseball for the two years in college, and I
Speaker 4: just was like, oh man, I go right into training now.
Speaker 4: So it kind of gave me a break to kind
Speaker 4: of re you know, configure my brain on like what
Speaker 4: kind of the goal was next for me.
Speaker 2: And it sounded like you studied for the Wonderlicks test
Speaker 2: because you got like what one of the highest tests,
Speaker 2: i mean test scores ever on the wonder Lick.
Speaker 1: That's so annoying, that's unbelievable. But it's also it's like
Speaker 1: both of you, both of you just I mean, I
Speaker 1: leave some for everybody else like athlete, good looking guys
Speaker 1: like you playing multiple sports. I'm over here like gotta
Speaker 1: do quiz bowl like it sucks. Never never got a
Speaker 1: girl until late, like leave some for the rest of us.
Speaker 3: I think Bobby's doing just fine.
Speaker 1: You crushed the wonder Lick, dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I got forty something.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it has it right here, And
Speaker 2: I was like, what I mean, I've spent a lot
Speaker 2: of time with you, just never took you for an intellectual.
Speaker 1: I scored the seventh best Wonderlick.
Speaker 2: Test of all time during his pre draft process with
Speaker 2: forty three?
Speaker 1: Was it? Did you did you study? I took the
Speaker 1: act I crushed it. Yeah, but I studied how to
Speaker 1: take the test more so than trying to learn everything
Speaker 1: that the test might have taught me. Did you prepare
Speaker 1: for the wonder Lick or just walk in and go?
Speaker 1: I kind of got.
Speaker 3: I mean, they gave us some like you know, practice
Speaker 3: questions and stuff, but really unless have been really good tutors.
Speaker 4: But I remember, like, you know, spending hours on like
Speaker 4: how to take the Wonder of the leg that they
Speaker 4: give us advice, Like all right, you know you're gonna
Speaker 4: waste a lot of time reading the full paragraph, kind
Speaker 4: of read the first sentence in the last ence and
Speaker 4: figure out, you know what you're trying to solve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, picks be. You guys had different tutors. I think
Speaker 1: the best when I.
Speaker 2: Came in, I was late to showing up because they
Speaker 2: didn't tell me what time I had to be there.
Speaker 2: Set around nine. Well, they're already taking the test. We
Speaker 2: had like twenty minutes left in the pest or whatever.
Speaker 2: And the guys like, okay, yeah, you're not really on
Speaker 2: my list, but go in there.
Speaker 3: And take the test. Start writing. I don't have any
Speaker 3: idea what I.
Speaker 1: Got, But as like, I have no idea, I told
Speaker 1: you don't know.
Speaker 3: You still I really don't know. I think we can
Speaker 3: probably find great castle.
Speaker 2: Get forty seven, one of the lowest nineteen ninety three drafting.
Speaker 1: You being like a white guy though, like you know,
Speaker 1: high motor, sneak, sneakily, athollician technical.
Speaker 3: You kind of had to get Cruden's grinder somewhere. I
Speaker 3: got that award.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you do? Interviews? Like the pre draft
Speaker 1: interviews and how did those go?
Speaker 3: Everything went great, I mean the interviews went great, and
Speaker 3: that's why.
Speaker 4: I think leading up to the draft, I thought I
Speaker 4: had a lot of opportunity And where were.
Speaker 1: They telling you that you might go if you go
Speaker 1: first overall?
Speaker 4: First of hell, yeah, I think you know, it was
Speaker 4: kind of in the second round.
Speaker 1: Like that was like the window like someone in the
Speaker 1: second round.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there was teams that were looking for a
Speaker 4: skill position in early and so not a first round
Speaker 4: draft pick the second round, especially being injured, you know,
Speaker 4: I thought that was kind of high as well. But
Speaker 4: that was my expectation. So anyways, it was like Denver
Speaker 4: was on the list, they moved up, got to Marius Seattle,
Speaker 4: got Golden Tate, and it just went on the list.
Speaker 4: There was like nine or ten teams all picked receivers
Speaker 4: that I thought I was going to. I'm like, so
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, mid third round came around. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I got one hundred and fifty people at my house.
Speaker 4: I'm like, expectations were high. I'm like, oh man, I
Speaker 4: just got out of the house to go walk down
Speaker 4: the road, like this may not happen for me. What
Speaker 4: do I tell my family and friends? Like, can you
Speaker 4: guys just please go, or you know, can we come
Speaker 4: back and try.
Speaker 3: This hell out of here. Yeah, let me have a moment.
Speaker 4: And so there's a lot of nerves, you know. There
Speaker 4: was obviously the anticipation, the excitement, and then all of
Speaker 4: a sudden it was like the anxiety and the unknown
Speaker 4: feelings that were kind of setting in middle of the
Speaker 4: third round. It was day two at the time. And
Speaker 4: finally got a phone call there towards the end of
Speaker 4: the third round and.
Speaker 1: It was it.
Speaker 3: It was Denver person was it was?
Speaker 4: It was josh Um Daniels coach Y Daniels, and just
Speaker 4: I remember where I was. I was in the back
Speaker 4: porch with a couple of friends, having a few beers
Speaker 4: and trying to you know, cool that a little bit,
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, it was like a three or three
Speaker 4: number popped up like hello and changed my life.
Speaker 1: Was that the year?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: First pick?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Thomas both in the first round. Oh so you
Speaker 3: were there during the Tebow years? I was, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because right, because Kyle Wharton came in that year. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: Kyle Wharton was there. He started, But all the chatter
Speaker 2: around everything was Tim Tebow because he's such a figure.
Speaker 2: Everybody knew him from Florida and what he did the
Speaker 2: national championship, and he went about things a little bit
Speaker 2: differently and just his personality and who he was.
Speaker 3: But talk to us about that.
Speaker 1: And when.
Speaker 4: I mean my first year I played with Kyle and
Speaker 4: I still say to this day, like Kyle Orn throws
Speaker 4: like the best, the best ball, just a perfect spin,
Speaker 4: so catchable. And Tiba came in towards the end of
Speaker 4: the year because McDaniel's got fired, and so there's just
Speaker 4: the obviously transition going on with that second year Kyle stars.
Speaker 4: But yeah, from the first mistake to bow and it
Speaker 4: was it was hard in the locker room because there's
Speaker 4: some division, you know, between the quarterbacks and you know,
Speaker 4: guys that want to choose who was their guys just
Speaker 4: like let's just go and play football, you know, but
Speaker 4: you can't really do that. So come week three, maybe
Speaker 4: week four, and I was having a great start of
Speaker 4: the season. I had like four or five touchdowns the
Speaker 4: first three games with Kyle, like we were kind of
Speaker 4: had a connection, and but the San Diego game, we
Speaker 4: just were struggling in the first half of like Tim
Speaker 4: go in and Tim comes in the game second half
Speaker 4: and marches down for like one of those that game
Speaker 4: just hell, Mary.
Speaker 3: Finishes, and that's what the season was.
Speaker 4: Though we had eight wins of overtime, like like Crater
Speaker 4: kicked a sixty five yarder and Tebow ran for like
Speaker 4: sixty yards one time. Mayor and Barbara fumbled it like magically,
Speaker 4: and we scooped it up and scored, just like all
Speaker 4: these things like interdi It was an intervention.
Speaker 5: Intervention, you guys, Yeah, yeah, yes, that well.
Speaker 2: How about about that year you guys came to Kansas City.
Speaker 2: So I'm in Kansas City. The Yeah, We're playing at Arrowhead.
Speaker 2: They threw two passes in the game, rushed the ball
Speaker 2: forty so it was like sixteen to ten late in
Speaker 2: the third.
Speaker 1: That was the game.
Speaker 2: I broke my hand yep, and then you guys ended
Speaker 2: up puinting. I think you caught a touchdown pass that game,
Speaker 2: didn't you.
Speaker 4: Oh the two balls I caught, it was he was
Speaker 4: three four eight, uh, And I caught one of them
Speaker 4: for like a fifty yard touchdown. But we ran the
Speaker 4: ball sixty times. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: So watching that season and seeing all those miraculous things happen,
Speaker 1: it seemed game after game, but it's happening to you
Speaker 1: in the locker room. Are you guys even like what
Speaker 1: is happening?
Speaker 3: And also did you start going to Bible study?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it was it weird for you guys to
Speaker 1: to keep winning games like that?
Speaker 4: Oh, of course it was. I mean it was just
Speaker 4: it was the talk of the town. But then it
Speaker 4: was it was chattering the locker room as well. Like,
Speaker 4: as long as we got tim, something's gonna happen miraculously
Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: And it really did. I mean a week after week
Speaker 3: after week.
Speaker 4: And what was crazy is we got towards the end
Speaker 4: of the season and the parking lot for the players
Speaker 4: you had to walk outside through the tunnel to get
Speaker 4: down to the locker room, and people would kind of
Speaker 4: you know, stand around astro autographs or take pictures. Well,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, these churches started coming and they're
Speaker 4: singing homilies and they're like, you know, like praising Tebow
Speaker 4: in a sense. And so playoff game against Pittsburgh Steelers,
Speaker 4: first round, I mean there was four hundred probably people
Speaker 4: singing homilies.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 4: It was a wild But he was so polarizing, you know,
Speaker 4: and like I think he really transformed the fan base
Speaker 4: for what he accomplished on the field, but more so
Speaker 4: kind of who he is obviously in his character. So
Speaker 4: it was like one of the there's books written about
Speaker 4: it that season because it was just wild. You never
Speaker 4: see it again, but it was a fun, fun journey
Speaker 4: to be a part of.
Speaker 1: Was he polarizing though in the locker room or was
Speaker 1: it just what was happening outside?
Speaker 4: I think more so just the outside and and kind
Speaker 4: of what noise I guess is being created. I mean,
Speaker 4: Tim's a great guy. Like what you see is what
Speaker 4: you get. He's just he's super energetic, he's super positive,
Speaker 4: he works really hard.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: One thing I say about your quarterbacks is like you're
Speaker 4: able to like hang out off the field. He didn't
Speaker 4: do that as much.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: That was that was one thing where we strugled with
Speaker 4: was like, well, who's who's really Tim? You know, we
Speaker 4: had never got that that time outside of the locker room.
Speaker 4: But in the locker room he was a leader. You know,
Speaker 4: he was a guy everyone leaned on and and fouled.
Speaker 4: So a lot of respect for what he's accomplished in
Speaker 4: his football career, but more so.
Speaker 3: Who he is. Okay, so then Peyton comes in, Is it.
Speaker 1: Familiar with this guy Who's just who's that guy?
Speaker 3: Peyton Manning?
Speaker 1: He comes in?
Speaker 3: What the year after? So yeah, two thousand and twelve,
Speaker 3: he came.
Speaker 1: In twenty twelve. Now what was that transition?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Who was everybody? Just let's go well.
Speaker 4: I remember, yeah, being being uh at my apartment and
Speaker 4: our receiver coach at the time, Adam Gaze, called me, Hey,
Speaker 4: Payns in town. He's come to the facility, just pop by.
Speaker 4: I said, share, yes, okay, and so kind of had
Speaker 4: to like find an excuse to get to the facility
Speaker 4: because I mean the media was just waiting out there
Speaker 4: was tens.
Speaker 1: Because every was wondering where he was going to go.
Speaker 1: Was it San Francisco? Was it like there was the
Speaker 1: few teams they thought he would go to.
Speaker 4: Cameras follow him everywhere, right, and so stuck into the
Speaker 4: facility got to meet him. You know, I think what
Speaker 4: really sold him was probably the young talent that we had,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean no Sean Moraine at the time
Speaker 4: in the running back room to marry us obviously uh myself.
Speaker 4: You know, he brought in Wes Welker and Brandon Stokely. Uh.
Speaker 3: For two consecutive years, I.
Speaker 4: Had, you know, young Julius Thomas tight end, good offensive line,
Speaker 4: so I think he felt comfortable with kind of where
Speaker 4: the team was heading. And uh, you know, he brought
Speaker 4: his own system in for the most part. But I
Speaker 4: really think Damarius is probably a big factor in.
Speaker 3: Why he chose Denver.
Speaker 4: Our deep this was really good at the time too,
Speaker 4: so he knew we didn't have to do too much
Speaker 4: though we did, so it was it was a It
Speaker 4: was a fun time because you know, yes, we went
Speaker 4: to the playoffs. We had this like Morocco year with Tebow,
Speaker 4: but more so this was like football that I'm used
Speaker 4: to having a Hall of Fame quarterback.
Speaker 2: You're never gonna say no, how much of the offense
Speaker 2: change from the point that he got there to when
Speaker 2: the season started, was that he implemented everything that he
Speaker 2: knew of And was there subtle changes at first or
Speaker 2: was it a wholesale change.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, Michael coy was the offensive coordinator, so
Speaker 4: we originally kind of had a similar style offense, and
Speaker 4: then when Teba came in, we started going to like
Speaker 4: wing tea.
Speaker 1: I felt like, again, you're watching films in Navy or the.
Speaker 4: It was some option, for sure, we ran some option
Speaker 4: till it changed little bit. So when we went back
Speaker 4: to I guess the original offense, I think more of
Speaker 4: the verbiage probably changed. A lot of the formation stayed
Speaker 4: the same. I think some of the line calls stayed
Speaker 4: the same. But yeah, he kind of put his touch
Speaker 4: on everything. So it was a lot of work, you know,
Speaker 4: from the point that he signed and the off season
Speaker 4: started of implementing the offense to getting on the field
Speaker 4: and walking through it. I mean it changed dramatically to
Speaker 4: training camp and we started playing fast. Being in Denver
Speaker 4: having kind of that advantage with the altitude, we had
Speaker 4: a value menu, so it was like one through ten
Speaker 4: and we went to the line and we just played
Speaker 4: super fast and we went quick, and everyone knew what
Speaker 4: their routes were. Receivers, tight end state on one side, so
Speaker 4: we just kind of flipped him so we could just
Speaker 4: just go and man, it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you scored a lot of Fantasy points for players
Speaker 1: in Denver, Like it just seemed like you were getting
Speaker 1: the ball a lot. Is that when you felt like
Speaker 1: the most fluid, like we were thriving the most. Was
Speaker 1: that a few years with Peyton and Denver.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean of course I was younger, I was healthy,
Speaker 4: and then you know, just it was just not easy,
Speaker 4: but it felt easy in a way because we would
Speaker 4: just play so fast and he spread it out. I mean,
Speaker 4: we have still, I think all the offensive records from
Speaker 4: that twenty thirteen season, but you got to think Damarius
Speaker 4: Thomas had ten plus touchdowns. I had ten plus touchdowns,
Speaker 4: Wes Walker had ten plus touchdowns, Julius Thomas had ten
Speaker 4: plus touchdowns. No Sean Moreno had ten plus. So the
Speaker 4: ball was spread out. But we just played so fast
Speaker 4: and we had like seventy five I think offensive plays
Speaker 4: on average, you know, which is pretty high. It got
Speaker 4: to eighties and nineties sometimes in certain games. But like
Speaker 4: Peyton just knew, you know, what the defense we were
Speaker 4: doing at that time and could put us in the
Speaker 4: right position and so all you do was just get
Speaker 4: get to your spot. And man, we practiced so much
Speaker 4: as well during the week with certain nuances.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Nan, at least it wasn't a spelling Yeah.
Speaker 3: I can't talk, but I can use this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But like the resonant stuff, you know, like we
Speaker 4: practiced the resident third down so much where we were
Speaker 4: just we're just automatic.
Speaker 2: And Welker told a great story about when you and
Speaker 2: he pranked. Oh yeah, Peyton, go through that story because
Speaker 2: it's it's a good one.
Speaker 3: It's phenomenal. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So there was a cover sports Delitary cover in training camp.
Speaker 4: We were shooting it and so it was Peyton, myself,
Speaker 4: Da Marius, and Wes Welker, and so the idea was
Speaker 4: just to get I guess you know us in our uniforms.
Speaker 4: But we wanted to kind of spice it up a
Speaker 4: little bit. So we told our uh meaty guy at
Speaker 4: the time to kind of put some cameras in. We're like, hey, listen,
Speaker 4: we're gonna come in and say we want to do
Speaker 4: the Bo Jackson style picture shoulder pads, you know, no Jersey,
Speaker 4: let's show some skin off. Let's let's make this risky.
Speaker 4: And so we get him on board and he goes,
Speaker 4: all right, Payton, here's kind of what they want and
Speaker 4: he shows an example of it.
Speaker 3: Peingos. He goes, here's what is this? Is this a
Speaker 3: playgirl or something? He just like brought him to the side.
Speaker 4: It just started and we got a video of all
Speaker 4: of it and he catched the vocals a little bit.
Speaker 4: But so we sat there for about ten minutes, just
Speaker 4: trying to sell it, like, let's just get one pictures.
Speaker 3: I'm not taking the.
Speaker 4: So we got a picture of us with our shirts
Speaker 4: all like being a silly and stuff, and he's there
Speaker 4: like pissed off. And then you know, Wes is just
Speaker 4: like the biggest scoofball, so he just he was the
Speaker 4: one that lead the charge, and we felt like we're
Speaker 4: just like these rookies in a sense to Peyton. So
Speaker 4: like Wes was a developed or a veteran at the point,
Speaker 4: just like he's he's he can do every once and
Speaker 4: so we're just gonna follow his lead. And man, he
Speaker 4: uh he let us down a fun path there for
Speaker 4: that break.
Speaker 1: Could you hang with Peyton outside of the locker room,
Speaker 1: you know, you talk about t but was difficult because
Speaker 1: that really wasn't his thing. Was Peyton a little more
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: He was he was Yeah, he was just the man's man.
Speaker 4: So on the field, I mean he was a sheriff,
Speaker 4: he was you know, very everything had to be perfect.
Speaker 4: But off the field, he was a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: He did a good job of getting guys to go
Speaker 4: to dinner, spending time outside of the facility, and that's
Speaker 4: what I appreciated about him is, you know, Peyton's just
Speaker 4: just a good old boy in a sense, and so
Speaker 4: I learned a lot on the field with him, but
Speaker 4: I also enjoyed and learned a lot with them off
Speaker 4: the field.
Speaker 2: So you go from Denver, you got Peyton Manning, things
Speaker 2: are rolling, and then you become a free agent.
Speaker 3: And you decided to go to the Jets. What went
Speaker 3: into that decision?
Speaker 2: Where there are other opportunities and what was that transition
Speaker 2: like going from where you were? Yep, with everything kind
Speaker 2: of going in the right direction, but then.
Speaker 1: You go to the Jets. Talk to us about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was tough. I love Denver. That was
Speaker 4: kind of where my heart was and again home body.
Speaker 4: I felt like I kind of started my community and
Speaker 4: that's I had my first child, and that's where I
Speaker 4: wanted to be. And I was willing to take you know,
Speaker 4: a haircut on my contract and just to stay in
Speaker 4: Denver because again I love the community.
Speaker 3: But it's just it didn't work out with the.
Speaker 4: Team and John Elway and so, uh as I was
Speaker 4: shopping around, you know, that draft class is really good,
Speaker 4: so I don't think teams are jumping at receivers. I
Speaker 4: talked to Cleveland for a little bit. I thought actually
Speaker 4: was going to Jacksonville.
Speaker 3: Warm Weather. Warm Weather could have could have done it,
Speaker 3: but you know, New.
Speaker 1: York's it was just repulsed by I can't go somewhere
Speaker 1: where it's over seventy in.
Speaker 4: The north, in the North, and New York probably had
Speaker 4: the most interest of time, and so I went there.
Speaker 4: You know, I was in this this headspace, just had
Speaker 4: a new baby, didn't know what to expect. I loved
Speaker 4: the idea of New York. I thought Gino was that
Speaker 4: like it was actually a player too, you know at
Speaker 4: that time. And what I learned was, you know, as
Speaker 4: he matured, he became a player, but he wasn't there yet.
Speaker 4: So it was it was a crazy transition because when
Speaker 4: you show up, expectations are so high. And John Iasick
Speaker 4: was the GM at the time, and he's like, listen,
Speaker 4: we got eighty million dollar cap. We're gonna go and
Speaker 4: spend it. And I'm like, awesome, I'm on board for that.
Speaker 4: Like I'll sign and be part of this team and
Speaker 4: end up signed really no one else. And I'm to
Speaker 4: be honest, not a number one receiver, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: not a Demarus Thomas or Julio Jones or you know,
Speaker 4: any of those guys at the time. So I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: I need, you know, my batman, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: my guy that I'm going to play with. And they
Speaker 4: didn't bring anyone in. I really no skill guys they
Speaker 4: brought in. So it was a tough transition, but it was,
Speaker 4: you know, a growing experience for me just to be
Speaker 4: part of a new team with some veteran guys in
Speaker 4: the line and defense that have been there for ten
Speaker 4: ten years. But uh yeah, I love Dever. I would
Speaker 4: have stayed there my whole whole career, but it's part
Speaker 4: of the game.
Speaker 1: Did you feel like the media in New York Did
Speaker 1: you feel immediately that it was.
Speaker 3: Different, tremendously different.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean we had Tebow and the polarizing experience that year,
Speaker 4: Peyton comes into the town again, media frenzy, but it's
Speaker 4: a different type of media than it is in New York.
Speaker 4: And obviously Page six or the press that New York
Speaker 4: can garnish was was different for sure. And at that point,
Speaker 4: went I had a reality show for a couple of years,
Speaker 4: and so that was, you know, another pop culture. They're
Speaker 4: going to pull from and try to ruffle the feathers
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 3: You started that when you're in New York. So no,
Speaker 3: that was in Denver.
Speaker 1: You started reality television show and you know I had
Speaker 1: a show with Jesse. Yes, I remember that.
Speaker 4: I didn't know it was my last year up to
Speaker 4: our wedding, well our wedding and to having Vivi. You
Speaker 4: know what's so crazy about reality TV is so the
Speaker 4: super Bowl year we were filming, but we stopped filming
Speaker 4: like January February playoffs and super Bowl and we had
Speaker 4: to go back and film like we're like me and
Speaker 4: de Marius went and acting like.
Speaker 3: We're going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: We had a film like we're.
Speaker 3: Gonna get this done. Oh man. So it's just like
Speaker 3: how did you do that? I mean, it's just a job.
Speaker 3: You show up when you go let's let's do it.
Speaker 3: So there's some acting involved in that and that type
Speaker 3: of reality for sure, there is, yes.
Speaker 1: And even if there's even if it's real, just from
Speaker 1: my experience doing a few things, it's set up in
Speaker 1: a way of even if you're not acting, they're putting
Speaker 1: you in a place that they want you to be.
Speaker 1: So they're getting a result that they want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's very structured. We actually just fired
Speaker 4: the first production team because they were like, let's let's
Speaker 4: try to like crate some fights here, and like, no,
Speaker 4: that's not the story that I want to tell. But
Speaker 4: leading up to a wedding, you're gonna get your you know,
Speaker 4: food tasting, your venue spot, you know, flowers, you can
Speaker 4: do all the things that lead up to a wedding.
Speaker 4: Well that's why they put us in the spot and
Speaker 4: everything within that. It's organic and they pay for that.
Speaker 4: They pay for all of the Yeah, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but it's definitely like a job. You show up and
Speaker 4: you kind of got a sheet like all right, we're
Speaker 4: gonna hit you know, one, two, three, four things today
Speaker 4: and ready.
Speaker 1: Got to finish it in time so you can get
Speaker 1: to the next thing. Yeah, so they can set up.
Speaker 1: You should get your show. It's fun. Hell no, you
Speaker 1: don't want to show you don't there to just show.
Speaker 3: Me in the spur van picking up kids. Good in
Speaker 3: who do you want the conflict with today?
Speaker 1: Don't worry conflicts versus each other with their forty two kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like my oldest son's got my other son a
Speaker 2: headline don't stop it.
Speaker 1: I would feel if I were in New York, or
Speaker 1: if I were anywhere and I was led to believe
Speaker 1: that I was coming in and they were going to
Speaker 1: give put weapons around me, and they did not put
Speaker 1: weapons around me, I would feel there would be resentment
Speaker 1: building in me from the beginning, even if I didn't
Speaker 1: want it to be. If they were like or if
Speaker 1: I were like they were like, hey, we're going to
Speaker 1: build you a podcast studio, and we're going to invest
Speaker 1: all this money in you, and they gave me one microphone,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, no, you promised me all this technology.
Speaker 1: I feel like I would be resentful of that. Did
Speaker 1: you feel that a bit in New York?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 4: I would say, you know, it was disappointing, Like Rex
Speaker 4: Ryan again was the reason why I went there. Rex
Speaker 4: is an awesome guy, and I think he's a player's coach,
Speaker 4: and you know, he kind of was handcuffed that year.
Speaker 4: I mean, so he got he got fired, and I
Speaker 4: think that was like, did I make the right choice
Speaker 4: kind of conversation, And you know, I'm a loyalist. I'm
Speaker 4: sticking to the decision I made. But definitely with disappointment,
Speaker 4: not necessarily resentment, but disappointment and thinking like, hey, well
Speaker 4: you say one thing, do what you say. You know,
Speaker 4: that's just one person kind of leading the charges GM
Speaker 4: and everyone else doesn't really have much say in that.
Speaker 4: So year two, you know, we had regime change. Todd
Speaker 4: Bowles come in. I love Todd, and you know, we
Speaker 4: started to build the team up. We had a great
Speaker 4: defense at the time, so we always were in games.
Speaker 4: Just that we needed some skill players and started spending
Speaker 4: a little bit more on the skilled guys. Brandon Marshall
Speaker 4: came in, uh, and you know, we made kind of
Speaker 4: the changes that were supposed to happen the year prior.
Speaker 2: Was brand Marshall one of the more intimidating human beings
Speaker 2: you've ever met in your life.
Speaker 1: Oh man, because.
Speaker 2: I see him and he is a man, he had one,
Speaker 2: but too he's got the personality like I don't want
Speaker 2: to take this guy out.
Speaker 4: He's he's a beautiful person because initially I was intimidated
Speaker 4: and scared of him because you know, which is read
Speaker 4: from prior and just you know, kind of his stature.
Speaker 3: He's a big guy and he can carry.
Speaker 4: Himself in a kind of like whoa you know, polarizing way,
Speaker 4: but he's super deep, like he is, like he knows
Speaker 4: who he is. He's done a lot of work on himself.
Speaker 4: He's very smart, and we had so many good conversations
Speaker 4: in the receiver room. So we bonded and had a
Speaker 4: really good relationship. But initially I was definitely scared of him.
Speaker 4: And he plays that way on the field. I mean
Speaker 4: he he has a screw loose, I'm sure, but you know,
Speaker 4: he goes crazy and it's fun to be on his
Speaker 4: side and not on the other side.
Speaker 1: How'd you end up in Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so with the Titans, well, New York. Let's see
Speaker 4: my third year going in my fourth year, I was
Speaker 4: there all the way through mini camp and so I
Speaker 4: had season any injuries with my hip and my shoulder,
Speaker 4: I had surgery on and so I recover. I get
Speaker 4: to end of kind of off season workouts, mini camp,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, Lee Johnson decides he wants
Speaker 4: to cut everyone over the age of thirty. So it's
Speaker 4: like June fourteenth, fifteenth, somewhere in that range, and we
Speaker 4: all get canned, and like, Gray, that's that's awesome. So
Speaker 4: talked to my agent, like, where are the options where
Speaker 4: can I go? And Tennessee was home at the time.
Speaker 4: We've been in Tennessee since twenty eleven, so this is
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen. I'm like, it'd be great to play close
Speaker 4: to home. Well, John Robinson was with the Patriots, who
Speaker 4: you know at the time originally was looking to draft
Speaker 4: me in twenty ten, and we just kind of hit
Speaker 4: it off. It worked out they had needed the extra receiver,
Speaker 4: and so I talked to you a few different teams,
Speaker 4: but that was kind of who I was focusing on
Speaker 4: because I wanted to be close to home.
Speaker 1: That feel good to be able to play here at home.
Speaker 4: It was and that was awesome. I mean I was
Speaker 4: actually feeling the best I've felt for a long time,
Speaker 4: probably since the Super Bowl year physically, and then you know,
Speaker 4: just the excitement of being home, sitting in my own bed,
Speaker 4: my own house, and be able to you know, go
Speaker 4: to work and kind of have that balance. And then
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of familiar faces in the locker room.
Speaker 4: We're really helpful in that transition, especially late, because it's
Speaker 4: just I jumped right into training camp and then you know,
Speaker 4: unfortunately again got hurt in training camp. Was like the
Speaker 4: story of my life towards the end of my career,
Speaker 4: so it was like a very volatile year for me.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was tough, probably the worst year I
Speaker 4: ever had in terms of life performance and stuff. But
Speaker 4: just it was great to be again around a lot
Speaker 4: of guys that I'm friends with life now because we
Speaker 4: have kids the same age and kids go to school together,
Speaker 4: and so I got to share life in the locker
Speaker 4: room with these fellows.
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy about that season.
Speaker 2: Like you said, you get hurt going in training camp,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people don't understand how tough that
Speaker 2: is for especially skilled players and wide receiver in particular,
Speaker 2: just from conditioning all that. But I will remember remember
Speaker 2: the first game, I think it was the first game,
Speaker 2: and so we used to do this thing where if
Speaker 2: it was even numbers, whether it's protection, say it was
Speaker 2: sixty four, it was seventy four, whatever it might be.
Speaker 2: Or if it's a run, say it's the thirties, thirty eight,
Speaker 2: thirty six, that's all on two.
Speaker 3: If it's an odd number, it's on one.
Speaker 2: So we get up there and it's early in the game,
Speaker 2: and we call an even number one, which means it's
Speaker 2: on two. But if you haven't done it. Like you
Speaker 2: should have seen during the off season, guys are jumping
Speaker 2: off all the time. Well, Deck's out there looking at
Speaker 2: the ball and it's lady. Lady said, right, it's on two.
Speaker 2: He jumps on one.
Speaker 3: He comes over the sideline and it's a funny thing.
Speaker 1: He looks at me.
Speaker 3: He goes, cass, when do you know what's on two?
Speaker 3: And when do you know it's on one?
Speaker 2: Because we would not call Cadence in the middle, it
Speaker 2: was now assumed that because of the process of going
Speaker 2: through it in the repetitions that we had during the
Speaker 2: off season, which they weren't, that he wasn't He wasn't
Speaker 2: part of it to a certain extent, right, but not
Speaker 2: not surely.
Speaker 1: So he goes, how do you know it's on two
Speaker 1: and one? I said, what the.
Speaker 3: He's like, dude, I missing a lot of training camp.
Speaker 3: I was like, even numbers on two, odd numbers on one.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, I got it.
Speaker 1: Thanks. Was that a hard decision to go I'm done?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: At the time, No, I think after I processed it
Speaker 4: and walked away six months later, probably yes, because I
Speaker 4: think I still had more of the tank. But I
Speaker 4: think I was so emotionally and mentally checked out from
Speaker 4: all the injuries in the last three years of my
Speaker 4: career that I just I didn't want to do it,
Speaker 4: you know. And I went to New England the year
Speaker 4: they won the Super Bowl and it was like that
Speaker 4: was actually like the Frosting and the cake Bilichick camp
Speaker 4: at Cage.
Speaker 3: Of thirty three.
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't think I have it, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm banging heads with these twenty two year olds. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm used to like the that car, Like I stand
Speaker 4: on the sideline get ready for the season. And it
Speaker 4: was the reality of I don't think I was all in,
Speaker 4: you know, mentally and physically, and I was kind of
Speaker 4: already halfway checked out. I had my third child at
Speaker 4: the time back in Nashville and just was missing my family.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean it was it was again easy
Speaker 4: at the time I decided to retire, but then it
Speaker 4: was super hard at six months after.
Speaker 3: It was like, did I really give it everything I had?
Speaker 3: But do you have any regrets looking back? I don't
Speaker 3: now know me. I think I've worked through all that.
Speaker 4: I think I think I struggle with, you know, losing
Speaker 4: the game and the sense losing my identity and uh
Speaker 4: what my value in the sense was. But now as
Speaker 4: I guess, you know, five years longer than that, seven
Speaker 4: years out and just more of a mature person. It
Speaker 4: was the right time. You know, I made the right decision,
Speaker 4: and I'm happy with my decision. I don't regret anything.
Speaker 3: What's it like being a sex symbol?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because it seems like you guys get it
Speaker 1: on all the time too. They're just kids popping out,
Speaker 1: Like every time I load it up, there's a new
Speaker 1: baby baby.
Speaker 4: Just a piece of meat. Well, I'm with Castles. I
Speaker 4: gotta try to keep up. You know, he's got he's
Speaker 4: got that sprinder van for old kids.
Speaker 3: I gotta that's the goal. I don't Yeah, I guess
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: Really my wife is is my sugar mama, and she's
Speaker 4: the social queen. So I'm just a piece of meat, Bobby,
Speaker 4: It's all I am.
Speaker 1: I wish I could be a piece of meat once
Speaker 1: in my life, being a piece of meat.
Speaker 3: Ye, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like quiz bowl. You know, I've had to
Speaker 1: do my whole life there. So I know. You guys
Speaker 1: did the the show the Special Special Forces, and it
Speaker 1: reminds me because Randall's over here. Yeah, so that's that
Speaker 1: looked like a tough show.
Speaker 3: It was hard.
Speaker 1: How hard was it for real? Because we talked about
Speaker 1: we've both done reality stuff and we know some of
Speaker 1: it's weirder, harder, easier than what you actually see. What
Speaker 1: was that show? Really?
Speaker 4: That was a real show with reality, I guess in
Speaker 4: a sense tied to it. I mean everything they put
Speaker 4: us through it was like real training, you know, of
Speaker 4: what they would do. Now, there was like hiccups sometimes
Speaker 4: with production or Hay's twelve hour break. You know, we
Speaker 4: need our camera guys to take a lunch break or union.
Speaker 4: They got to take twelve hour break. So we're sitting
Speaker 4: there on a cliff for like three hours because they
Speaker 4: got to take lunch break. Cool, how about some water
Speaker 4: up there? No, but it was it was intense. I
Speaker 4: mean the drill sergeants, now that you know, we got
Speaker 4: to know them after the show, they're really good people
Speaker 4: and what they've accomplished in their life is amazing. You know,
Speaker 4: I got so much respect for the military of women
Speaker 4: in our country. And there's a couple of UK guys too,
Speaker 4: of how they represented what they sacrifices they made because
Speaker 4: we got just a little taste of it and it
Speaker 4: was real. I'm telling you this last show on Thursday
Speaker 4: with the tunnels, I mean that that was like something
Speaker 4: I've never.
Speaker 3: Done, would never want to do again.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've got PTSD if I ever get into
Speaker 4: like an MRI too now, just because tight quarters and
Speaker 4: getting stuck and he saw Johnny he tapped out and
Speaker 4: he just panicked. But the next couple episodes you'll see
Speaker 4: just I think it's the mental part of it. I mean, physically, yes,
Speaker 4: we can endure these exercises, but it's it's like from
Speaker 4: five am and not knowing what you're doing all the
Speaker 4: way till midnight, basically till they turn the lights off,
Speaker 4: because they could pull you out eleven thirty and put
Speaker 4: you through this beasting, which is a night workout. So
Speaker 4: it's like that cortisol rush is just always going and
Speaker 4: so you're just mentally, emotionally kind of fatigued. And so
Speaker 4: that was the hardest thing. The balance was just like,
Speaker 4: all right, we're here, let's let's get to lunch. I
Speaker 4: know probably Randall said that because he always said it
Speaker 4: on the show. Let's get to lunch, Let's get to dinner,
Speaker 4: Let's get to the next thing. Because that's all you.
Speaker 3: Could really droll. That's all you really know is that
Speaker 3: they got to feed you. So just show up and get.
Speaker 1: Why'd you do the show? Who do they come to
Speaker 1: both of you? They go to Jesse, they go to you.
Speaker 3: What happened?
Speaker 4: So actually the first year they did it, they asked
Speaker 4: if I wanted to do it, and she was on tours.
Speaker 4: I couldn't, and so Danny Amadola got cast in and
Speaker 4: he did awesome, and I've always wanted to do it again,
Speaker 4: and I just kind of was like a has been
Speaker 4: so I couldn't get on it. But they started doing
Speaker 4: the couple dynamic, and so Andrew and Sean got asked,
Speaker 4: and then uh Housewives and Gia got asked to do it,
Speaker 4: and they needed another couple. So originally it was like
Speaker 4: ten days out from the show. I think we were
Speaker 4: kind of a filler and we're like, now we can't
Speaker 4: do it. We had a trip to Italy planed and
Speaker 4: it was like to move all those things was a lot,
Speaker 4: and so we said no, they want two different couple.
Speaker 3: They said no.
Speaker 4: It came back to us like a week out and
Speaker 4: we're like, you know what, I've always wanted to do.
Speaker 4: This is the once in the lifetime thing. Let's let's
Speaker 4: just do it. Cause I always wanted to challenge myself
Speaker 4: in a different way. I just felt like not having football,
Speaker 4: you know, obviously very fortunate and grateful for my life,
Speaker 4: but just I needed something to have that kind of
Speaker 4: locker room feel.
Speaker 3: And so this was that.
Speaker 4: Opportunity to challenge myself and luckily I got just on
Speaker 4: board to do it. Who I saw so much grit
Speaker 4: that I've never seen before. It was really fun. So
Speaker 4: that was the reason why.
Speaker 1: I did Bear Girls with my wife. I did it myself.
Speaker 1: I did it by myself and bar and I went
Speaker 1: to Norway and it was a really good episode, so
Speaker 1: much Nat Joe offered me my own show from that episode.
Speaker 1: But before that show launched, they were like, hey, I
Speaker 1: want you to come back and do Bear Girls again.
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I did it. I don't like,
Speaker 1: I don't like dying and stuff like, it wasn't my thing.
Speaker 1: I just and I said, I've already told my whole story,
Speaker 1: like there's nothing for me to do. And they said, well,
Speaker 1: bring your fiance my fiance. There was no chance I
Speaker 1: was getting around the show, like, no chance. She does
Speaker 1: not like to do things in the public, no interest.
Speaker 1: She didn't like to be on social media much less
Speaker 1: she's gotta go on a Disney plus you know, net
Speaker 1: geo show. And so we were getting on the plane
Speaker 1: from another event and I was like, hey, and I
Speaker 1: didn't want to ask, you know how you just don't
Speaker 1: even want to ask, like you have to ask. And
Speaker 1: I was like, they want And she had just been
Speaker 1: in therapy the day before, and her therapist that told her,
Speaker 1: you're experiencing all the negative things that comes from being
Speaker 1: with him, why don't you just take advantage of one
Speaker 1: positive thing. I happened to catch it on that day.
Speaker 1: Oh boom, And she said, I'll do it, And so
Speaker 1: we did it. And when you say that about your wife,
Speaker 1: when we do this episode, I saw like like determination, grit,
Speaker 1: all these things in a way that I'd never seen
Speaker 1: it before that I was kind of blown away by
Speaker 1: because we're on we're on top like three hundred foot
Speaker 1: rocks having to repel off and she's just killing it
Speaker 1: and she's scared. But the greatest part was you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be scared, but she did it anyway. So I
Speaker 1: was able to see sides of her doing that. And
Speaker 1: I obviously knew her very well, but I would have
Speaker 1: never seen that side of her had we not done that.
Speaker 1: Did you feel that way with your wife?
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I mean we were together.
Speaker 4: We've been together, you know for almost I guess fifteen years,
Speaker 4: and she's burned for my children, and I know she's
Speaker 4: tough and you know.
Speaker 3: She's a go get her but to like be in that.
Speaker 4: Environment, like you said, and see the grit and the
Speaker 4: determination and like, you know, the barracks that we slept
Speaker 4: in were just disgusting and having to wash her clothes
Speaker 4: and the sink and just eat you know, crappy food.
Speaker 3: But her attitude to.
Speaker 4: Like not only accomplish things, but like dominate things was like, damn,
Speaker 4: who is this?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: And it was it definitely I think bonded us and
Speaker 4: made us closer because we saw each other ways we
Speaker 4: never have. You know, this was kind of an inside
Speaker 4: look for her to see me in like a locker
Speaker 4: room setting with other other you know, there's other athletes,
Speaker 4: but just other males, and you know, there was there
Speaker 4: was a perspective to it, which was special to have
Speaker 4: that experience together.
Speaker 2: Is it more intimidating knowing that you're going on a
Speaker 2: show that which is an elimination show and a tap
Speaker 2: out show with your wife saying like, I've got to
Speaker 2: outperform her. Yeah, because god forbid, I'm one of the
Speaker 2: first people to tap out and she's like the last
Speaker 2: woman standing there.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean she kind of scept the expectations
Speaker 3: like listen, I'm here for you. I'm not you know.
Speaker 4: I think she didn't know what to expect from herself,
Speaker 4: and the idea was like I'm gonna go all the
Speaker 4: way and so yeah, that was the expectations. But yeah,
Speaker 4: knowing that your wife was there, it's like, hey, well,
Speaker 4: you got to show up, and you gotta I'm the man.
Speaker 3: Be the man.
Speaker 1: You play pickleball now a lot o.
Speaker 3: I love pickleball? Gosh.
Speaker 1: Well, and I knew he's obsessed. Well, we were walking
Speaker 1: through whenever you didn't tell him where to come, right,
Speaker 1: we were up in the front.
Speaker 3: Of problem yeah and box are barking. I'm waving.
Speaker 1: He uh was like you build a pick a wall
Speaker 1: court or it was it. I was like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: built it, and he was like, oh, just kind of
Speaker 1: in a second, looking kept walking and rob before we're
Speaker 1: about to go on. He was going to say something,
Speaker 1: but I was like, hold it because I don't know
Speaker 1: what you were going to say about pickleball. I really
Speaker 1: like to play too. I've I gotta have surgery on
Speaker 1: my ankle in a couple of weeks. So, yeah, would
Speaker 1: you a tour? I gotta it's a whole thing. My
Speaker 1: ankle has been hurting, but it's been getting worse. Who
Speaker 1: knew if an injury hurt, you shouldn't keep going.
Speaker 3: That's who knew. Let me see you fix it. Hey,
Speaker 3: stop stop.
Speaker 1: So this cartilage tear has gotten larger and larger, and
Speaker 1: so now they have to go and they have to
Speaker 1: put other cartilage, have to put dead man cartilage in.
Speaker 3: Oh really, it's a series dead. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I haven't been able to play a lot, but
Speaker 1: I was playing grit. That's great. Hey, I played in
Speaker 1: a foot tournament singles with a torn and didn't you
Speaker 1: win it? I won a three point five. I didn't
Speaker 1: win the four because I got hurt memes. But yeah, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: so what's that sober? How often are you playing?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What you is that your competition.
Speaker 3: Now, I actually just threw my back out. Uh getting
Speaker 3: back into it now. I feel like that every other
Speaker 3: week I started my back.
Speaker 1: You should see him at the like little league games
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 3: He's literally sitting up there like this.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, dude, we got wives around here, like
Speaker 2: stop making us look bad. I'm like, you're either trying
Speaker 2: to brundle off to all the women, but like, will
Speaker 2: you stop actually these like elaborate yoga stretches and sending
Speaker 2: out for another kid?
Speaker 3: Just keeping my back.
Speaker 1: My back hurts.
Speaker 4: Savannah Bananas brought to the U sport. It's my It's
Speaker 4: my vice right now for sure. Besides my back doesn't hurt,
Speaker 4: which actually, like two and a half weeks ago, I
Speaker 4: was playing at five in the morning, but real serious
Speaker 4: about it. With the Pea coaches here at our kids
Speaker 4: school and Mark Marianni Mark March competitive competitives.
Speaker 1: I've played with them before. You played with Titans, Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I've played with them before.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so warm enough pick a ball threw it out.
Speaker 4: But other than that, I'm playing a PPA tournament in November,
Speaker 4: so I'd excited about that.
Speaker 1: But they play singles or doubles doubles. Do you ever
Speaker 1: play singles?
Speaker 3: I do play singles.
Speaker 1: I like singles because it's actually a workout.
Speaker 3: It is a workout, I mean doubles. I'll play hour
Speaker 3: and a half. I'll burn like twelve hour calories.
Speaker 1: Maybe for you, but for an athlete like me, it
Speaker 1: ain't work, you know what I mean? Like me, and
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting back, you know, h hitting it like this?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: How far?
Speaker 3: Why your ankles hanging on?
Speaker 1: How far do you let from the town half mile?
Speaker 1: So close?
Speaker 3: I'm real close to.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that most of you rich people live
Speaker 1: in like Franklin, so I figured you were down there
Speaker 1: with like rich boy you guys, you guys.
Speaker 3: Are going to be fast friends on the pickleball.
Speaker 4: Get that ank all right, we're gonna yeah, well there's
Speaker 4: some some opportunity.
Speaker 3: When you talk about you.
Speaker 1: Got a back, I got an ankle. It's we're even
Speaker 1: so we can play injury. We're just we have one injury.
Speaker 3: Just rush the ne You just need a leaf blower
Speaker 3: back there.
Speaker 1: That's what I got one right there. Okay, yeah, I
Speaker 1: got a whole ground ready.
Speaker 3: Bobby, I need to talk to you and Matt I
Speaker 3: told him about it. Already.
Speaker 4: But there's this concept coming to towns to pick a
Speaker 4: ball entertainment concept called crush Yard. You know everyone's doing
Speaker 4: the facilities now, but this one is.
Speaker 3: Are you pitching him? I want to gonna be off camera,
Speaker 3: but he's like, savent savement.
Speaker 4: I'll bring the deck. But it's uh, you know, top
Speaker 4: golf esque with pickleball. So they got you got the
Speaker 4: food and bev concept up front. You got golf simulators.
Speaker 4: I want to golf, but also the multi sport game
Speaker 4: with the kids, Keith and entertainble. You can play pick
Speaker 4: a ball in the back eight courts. You know, franchise
Speaker 4: concepts coming in, taking these big boxes and just kind
Speaker 4: of retrofitting this concept, which you know from cost savings
Speaker 4: is great.
Speaker 3: But I love it already in I'm in it. What
Speaker 3: are you looking for? Are you gonna invest or not?
Speaker 1: It's a minimum investment. You're looking.
Speaker 4: My heart's involved. We buy bonus, maybe shoot a couple
Speaker 4: of shows in there. You know, Matthew already told about
Speaker 4: you know, the concepts, and I can get him on board.
Speaker 4: Actually I can get him on board now.
Speaker 1: Pressures on Matt, Matt, He's got so many names, Castle
Speaker 1: Cast Matt we did this video, they were like, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna come in and shoot castle, uh for like
Speaker 1: a Titans promo, like a commercial thing. And I love Matt,
Speaker 1: like seriously, the greatest guy huggs a little too much.
Speaker 1: But other than that, like the greatest guy's.
Speaker 3: Personal space, you can give you a scruff roum.
Speaker 1: I'm not tall enough. That's why he scruffed the top
Speaker 1: of my head. And so they were like, hey, and
Speaker 1: so I'm just talking about Matt just genuinely, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I love him, here's why. And I lead with things
Speaker 1: like he obviously knows the game, like you don't play
Speaker 1: that long in the league without knowing the game at
Speaker 1: a certain level. And while we're doing the show, and
Speaker 1: then I watched the clip back and the only things
Speaker 1: they use for me saying was like, yeah, he looks
Speaker 1: like a Greek god and he's always on time. Like
Speaker 1: they didn't use anything about football, like that was the
Speaker 1: whole thing. So yes, not my editor, Yeah, how'd you
Speaker 1: feel about that promo?
Speaker 2: I thought it was very uplifting from what you said. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, they definitely did not use any of the part.
Speaker 3: About do you have Greek in you? Though you know well,
Speaker 3: I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Know, I've got my wife that's Greek, and she rubs
Speaker 2: off on me a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Six teams on buye this week.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. It's a good time to be on a
Speaker 2: buye though. Why so that just because it's about that
Speaker 2: mid season where you get that break and then kind
Speaker 2: of that end of the season push. I like it,
Speaker 2: not even into the season, midway through the season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, where do you like your bye?
Speaker 2: If you got to pick a week, I've had weeks
Speaker 2: by weeks in week three, Oh, that's like lunch at night.
Speaker 3: That's such a grind for so long.
Speaker 2: And this is before they got two buys, so you're
Speaker 2: just like you're grinding for the rest of the time.
Speaker 2: But this is a good part of the season to
Speaker 2: about week seven, week eight, where if you're about mid midway.
Speaker 2: It's just a nice relief from season and you can
Speaker 2: kind of get a little healthy.
Speaker 1: Let's go Vikings at Chargers on Thursday night. I do
Speaker 1: like the game for a Thursday night game. Although there
Speaker 1: have been really good Thursday games this year, which hasn't
Speaker 1: always been the case, so there's been solid one after
Speaker 1: the other. The weird thing about the Vikings is is
Speaker 1: has there been a soft benching?
Speaker 3: I see, That's what I keep asking myself.
Speaker 2: I was like JJ mccarthy' spraining his ankle in week two,
Speaker 2: we're now in week seven. I don't know a lot
Speaker 2: of I don't know how severe it is, and I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to come up with a conspiracy theory or
Speaker 2: anything like that, but I think they allowed wins to
Speaker 2: keep going.
Speaker 3: He got the win in London.
Speaker 2: He's coming back and he's been up and down, but
Speaker 2: he's actually playing pretty well. And I think that they're
Speaker 2: waiting to see if he takes the reins and not
Speaker 2: not just jumping out and saying, hey, JJ's starting as
Speaker 2: soon as he's healthy, because I believe he's probably healthy
Speaker 2: because he was suited as a three third quarterback this week.
Speaker 2: It's just a very interesting dynamic in how this whole
Speaker 2: thing unfolds. Vikings and Chargers. Uh, Chargers not not a
Speaker 2: great not a great last week. No, but those Colts Man,
Speaker 2: they were rolling. I mean they're rolling and probably one
Speaker 2: of the best teams in football right now.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I think their schedule gets a little bit harder. But
Speaker 2: the Vikings on the road against the Chargers. Chargers have
Speaker 2: shown some weaknesses there, especially on the defensive side of
Speaker 2: the ball. I thought that was going to be a
Speaker 2: strong suit, but they've you know, haven't played as well recently.
Speaker 3: So I'm going with the Vikings.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm gonna go with the Chargers just because I
Speaker 1: think I can't. I don't want to say this. It
Speaker 1: offend you, So I don't want to anyth about the coaching.
Speaker 1: They better coaching and the Chargers that'll be offensive to you.
Speaker 3: To your boy, Kevin, you heard him, did he? I
Speaker 3: got your back?
Speaker 1: Dogging. I think for Jim Hardwall to lose to in
Speaker 1: a row that's probably rarer than even I think it is.
Speaker 1: I think the Chargers come back ready to go. I'm
Speaker 1: taking the Chargers next to Cowboys at Broncos.
Speaker 3: Oh. I think this is going to be a good game.
Speaker 2: I mean the way the Cowboys came out and offensively, defensively,
Speaker 2: but I put their better put together their best, best
Speaker 2: full game. I love the way the offense is playing,
Speaker 2: but they are going up against the Broncos, whose defense
Speaker 2: is probably one of the best in the league. Even
Speaker 2: though Giants went out there and put up a bunch
Speaker 2: of points on him.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is tough. I'm going with the Cowboys. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with the Cowboys and get the three and
Speaker 1: a half points as well. But I think I would
Speaker 1: take the Cowboys straight up just because they're just fun
Speaker 1: to watch. I don't like the root against teams that
Speaker 1: are so fun to watch and see.
Speaker 2: Lamb look good, George Pickens awesome, the run games got going.
Speaker 2: If the defense holds up in any capacity, you know
Speaker 2: that they're going to score points.
Speaker 1: Packers minus three at the Steelers.
Speaker 3: Oh, Packers minus three at the Steelers.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Packers. I'm gonna give up points
Speaker 1: Packers over Steelers in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with you. I will go with the Packers.
Speaker 2: I just think that they're a better overall team that
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got loucks.
Speaker 1: Say, do you watch a lot now? Are you able
Speaker 1: to stay involved or at least watch games and like
Speaker 1: as a fan?
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh yeah. So my ten year old boy loves
Speaker 4: football and so he kind of has me in it.
Speaker 4: I mean, he knows every player's name, which is unlivable.
Speaker 4: But it's been fun to kind of wash the game
Speaker 4: through his eyes because it's innocent. Again, you know, it's
Speaker 4: just like the love of the game, like sometimes where
Speaker 4: off as you get older. So we got football on
Speaker 4: all day Saturday, all day Sunday, and you know we watch.
Speaker 3: You know, there's no team we really root for, but
Speaker 3: you you don't root for the Titans.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's possible. Hard right now?
Speaker 3: Did they play?
Speaker 1: Do they have points? They haven't?
Speaker 3: The point it's been it's tough.
Speaker 1: How was this weekend for your USC Notre Dame heartbreaking?
Speaker 3: No, it was an incredible environment.
Speaker 2: Obviously, it's a rivalry that is a historical rivalry, and
Speaker 2: you know, when I was there, you kind of got
Speaker 2: a feel for it. Every single time you played Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll did a tremendous job of teaching you about
Speaker 2: the history of the game, and have guys like Marcus
Speaker 2: Allen and this guy Marv Goo who is a legendary
Speaker 2: defensive coach. All these different players would come in and
Speaker 2: speak to us that during that week, So it was
Speaker 2: a big deal.
Speaker 3: And then to get back there and USC.
Speaker 2: Being five and one, thinking they've got a chance, go down,
Speaker 2: have a few good series and then Notre Dame just
Speaker 2: beat us up physically up front and ran through our
Speaker 2: face and it was still close in the we took
Speaker 2: the lead in the third quarter, and then we give
Speaker 2: up the kickoff return and at that point it was
Speaker 2: all over.
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask do you feel because obviously you're
Speaker 4: more involved in the game that and I all has
Speaker 4: changed like the university passion or the you know, like
Speaker 4: campus passion.
Speaker 2: You know, it's very interesting because we were talking to
Speaker 2: some of the even the Notre Dame players, and particularly CJ. Carr,
Speaker 2: their quarterback, and one of the legendary plays in the
Speaker 2: series was the tush push or whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call it. Right in that two thousand and five game
Speaker 2: when both of those teams are undefeated, Brady Quinn Matt
Speaker 2: Lioner going back and forth. He had no idea what
Speaker 2: we were referencing, and I was like, wow, like you
Speaker 2: think you'd think that there was maybe, But he was
Speaker 2: a young kid. So I'm not putting it past them.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying that he's being disrespectful by
Speaker 2: any means, but I think some of the NIL space
Speaker 2: Now you come there for a paycheck, and you're going
Speaker 2: there without the same pride that you used to go
Speaker 2: to a university because you're picking it you because that's
Speaker 2: your destination for four to five years, knowing that you're
Speaker 2: probably never going to leave that place, and so there's
Speaker 2: a pride that comes along with that. Now I feel
Speaker 2: like some of these players, and I'm not speaking about
Speaker 2: Notre Dame us he or whatever, but some of it
Speaker 2: is more transactional than it is about the university itself.
Speaker 1: I was with I don't want to say who it is,
Speaker 1: but I was with a power fore head coach this weekend.
Speaker 1: One of my friends doesn't live here. But I tell
Speaker 1: you off because I think for I think for the fans,
Speaker 1: obviously it hasn't changed, like we still we understand they're
Speaker 1: more mercenary type than they used to be. They may
Speaker 1: be there for a year hopefully longer. But I was
Speaker 1: with this coach and it's just even for them, it's
Speaker 1: just always asking for money, Like that's so much a
Speaker 1: part of the job now that it's still they're still coaching,
Speaker 1: but a lot of their twenty four hours in a day,
Speaker 1: there are so many hours that have to be dedicated
Speaker 1: to just glad handing asking for money that even four
Speaker 1: to five years ago that wasn't the case. So it's
Speaker 1: changed for everybody across the board. And they try to
Speaker 1: hire general managers to take a little bit of that
Speaker 1: load off. But if you're a donor, and I'm a donor,
Speaker 1: like I'm a big donor, fair but donor at Arkansas,
Speaker 1: big donor, big better if a medium donor sometimes too big,
Speaker 1: a better but loser but loser. If you're a donor
Speaker 1: and the general manager is calling, going hey, I want
Speaker 1: to spend time with you, but you have a substantial
Speaker 1: amount of money, you don't want to talk to the
Speaker 1: general manager. You want to talk to the coach because
Speaker 1: that's who you're giving the money to. So the NIL
Speaker 1: thing has been weird, not just for players, and I
Speaker 1: think everybody shouldt pay. By the way, I'm a pay
Speaker 1: peeper guy. Yes, but it's almost like where baseball is.
Speaker 1: And now they may end up a labor strike, not
Speaker 1: next year, but the year after because the owners want
Speaker 1: a salary cap. The players are like, no way, we're
Speaker 1: having a salary cap. If they don't have some sort
Speaker 1: of structure on, it's weird to call it a cap.
Speaker 1: But if these third string offensive tackles are going into
Speaker 1: the portal now and just because the market on them,
Speaker 1: they're getting paid seven hundred thousand dollars and they're not
Speaker 1: even really playing. But that's the market to get a player,
Speaker 1: and how are they getting the money. It's not all
Speaker 1: revenue sharing because revenue sharing just equaled it out. So
Speaker 1: all the teams were like, wait till revenue sharing, then
Speaker 1: we'll have money. But if everybody's revenue sharing is exactly
Speaker 1: the same, well you still have to get more money
Speaker 1: than your other person. So that's the coach spending hours
Speaker 1: of every day on the phone. It's a weird environment
Speaker 1: now colleges.
Speaker 4: I can imagine being a coach because, like you said,
Speaker 4: you're recruiting your old guys constantly, and you know it
Speaker 4: just as an athlete, and kind of I fear the
Speaker 4: character building of these young guys is like, yes, you
Speaker 4: should get paid. I mean it's it's a lot of
Speaker 4: work and you sacrifice your body and they make a
Speaker 4: lot of money off you. But at the same point,
Speaker 4: to just be able to transfer and go play somewhere
Speaker 4: else because you lost your job or it's getting too
Speaker 4: hard you don't it's like, okay, well build some resilience,
Speaker 4: Like life's not like that right back, you know, like, hey,
Speaker 4: give it a shot, because that's that's where I think,
Speaker 4: you know, I fear with kids coming up and my
Speaker 4: kids coming up as that you know, what does that
Speaker 4: college environment look like. If they're gonna be athletes, I
Speaker 4: want them to be tough. I want them to be respectful.
Speaker 4: I want them to, you know, be passionate about you know,
Speaker 4: where you go, who you play for, and the name
Speaker 4: on your back. But at the same point, don't just
Speaker 4: like go the easier route and just leave because it's
Speaker 4: too tough or he's not fair, he's picking someone else.
Speaker 4: Care Well, everyone has a chance to earn a spot.
Speaker 1: What it's going to take is actual legislation, because right
Speaker 1: now you needed to get as bad as it possibly
Speaker 1: can because nobody stepping in to fix it. Until it
Speaker 1: has to be fixed. There was the obandon case and
Speaker 1: went to the Supreme Court. Video game Charles O'Bannon played
Speaker 1: at UCLA. His likeness was used, so they sued. Now
Speaker 1: players can get paid, right, that's the entire that's the
Speaker 1: genesis of players getting paid now. And so if the
Speaker 1: NCAA is sued, they basically lose every lawsuit now, right,
Speaker 1: they just lined up labor laws, right, Yep, they're gonna lose.
Speaker 1: So there's going to have.
Speaker 3: To be California.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's gonna have to be. It's gonna have
Speaker 1: to get so bad that it's gonna have to go
Speaker 1: to lawmakers. And lawmakers only want to do things that
Speaker 1: make them look like heroes for the constituents. The days
Speaker 1: of ballmakers actually wanted to make a difference, not really
Speaker 1: so much. It's just get re elected. So that's going
Speaker 1: to have to happen to or they want to actually
Speaker 1: make a difference and be seen. Your union's going to
Speaker 1: have to be had.
Speaker 2: That's the most difficult part about this, yeap, Like who's
Speaker 2: going to organize a player's union when it's such a small,
Speaker 2: finite period of time for each of these players, And
Speaker 2: unlike the NFL where you got thirty two teams, you've
Speaker 2: got one hundred and thirty two teams. Then you have
Speaker 2: to have buy in by the players to say, in
Speaker 2: order to make a players union, each of you have
Speaker 2: to give a certain amount of money into the pot
Speaker 2: each year that you're in school.
Speaker 3: But then that rolls over every four years.
Speaker 2: What does the leadership look like. Who's going to be
Speaker 2: the head of a player's union for college? Which means
Speaker 2: you're going to have to go out and get some
Speaker 2: high paying lawyer and be able to unionize and also
Speaker 2: organize enough to where the leadership at the top doesn't
Speaker 2: change so quickly that you can actually do something and
Speaker 2: make make a different difference in what's going on.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think in the end, the reality of
Speaker 1: it is you can transfer. Once you transfer again, it's
Speaker 1: a year. It's old school like because back in the day,
Speaker 1: if you transferred unless you went down, yeah, you got
Speaker 1: to sit a year. And I think there's going to
Speaker 1: have to eventually be some sort of cat because you're
Speaker 1: going to and it's happening now where your players are
Speaker 1: making more than NFL players are their first couple of years.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it's it's wild but it has to
Speaker 1: get crazier before it gets fixed. And that's a weird
Speaker 1: thing to say, because nobody's going to be motivated to
Speaker 1: fix anything that isn't wildly broken because there are seven
Speaker 1: hundred other things they've got to do. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: sucks and it's awesome as players, and as I just talked,
Speaker 1: I just talked about this as the coaches. Why it's
Speaker 1: so fresh on my mind. It's also why I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be a D one coach, cause you guys wondering, definitely,
Speaker 1: definitely right. I don't want to be one either. Who's
Speaker 1: us Who's the best team in the NFL this year?
Speaker 3: Great question? Detrotly good yesterday.
Speaker 1: And it gets a good Tampa team, but Tampa's missing
Speaker 1: so many weapons and they get one of the biggest
Speaker 1: ones back and he goes out with the shoulder and
Speaker 1: a concussions.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's the hard part is that I didn't see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he came back like a cup coffee and he's
Speaker 1: out again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one one post route basically, and he's been like
Speaker 2: the Iron Man too. Focus Godwin's out. I mean, you've
Speaker 2: a mecha. Buka came back. He had zero catches. I mean,
Speaker 2: so they're very very thin at the wide receiver position.
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, how you feeling.
Speaker 3: He said it back's a little soort t gm out there.
Speaker 3: He didn't say that we can add that out.
Speaker 1: We believed that out.
Speaker 3: We got about five players. Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know what's crazy about just sports, but football, especially
Speaker 4: as I mean you say, who's the best team? Well,
Speaker 4: whoever is healthy? To be honest, I mean especially that level.
Speaker 4: You got guys, two skilled guys got When that one's out,
Speaker 4: I mean that that changed the dynamic of what mayfield
Speaker 4: can do and what that offense can do.
Speaker 3: And so I just think it's ever.
Speaker 4: Changing, you know, in the league, and it's it's whoever's
Speaker 4: kind of the healthiest at the end. Look at like
Speaker 4: Buffalo's kind of behind a little bit. We thought bigger thing.
Speaker 4: Same thing with Kansas City, But you know.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs are coming back if they stay healthy towards
Speaker 2: the end of the year.
Speaker 4: Those are teams that have like the experience that are
Speaker 4: going to be successful and be in the big game.
Speaker 4: So it's hard not to go against teams like that.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about the mindset of somebody like
Speaker 1: a Travis Kelce who is in his thirties, mid thirties.
Speaker 1: Obviously he's slow to half step. That's why he's not
Speaker 1: in as much. And you can see him being frustrated
Speaker 1: when he comes out at times too. As you get older,
Speaker 1: is it a realization of this is why I'm leaving
Speaker 1: or is it now I can still do it? Why
Speaker 1: am I getting taken out of the game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think it's it's an ego thing.
Speaker 4: We all got egos, And I mean I was in
Speaker 4: my lower thirties, but like as I was going through
Speaker 4: the process after I got cut from New York, I
Speaker 4: was talking a couple of teams and like, we'll use
Speaker 4: you in like a third down package, or we'll use
Speaker 4: in a red zone package.
Speaker 3: Like I can still play. I'm on every down player.
Speaker 4: I want to play, And like you got yourself and
Speaker 4: check your ego and be like, hey, well, it's obviously
Speaker 4: feedback for a reason, like you're losing a step or
Speaker 4: you're slowing down.
Speaker 3: Your game's not the same.
Speaker 4: So I think it's challenging because mentally you feel like
Speaker 4: you're still that guy, but physically you know your performance isn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also Travis Kelsey, he's been a featured guy throughout
Speaker 2: his entire career. He's ultra competitive, even going back to
Speaker 2: last year. He's a featured guy. So if the minute
Speaker 2: you start to buy in to everybody saying, oh, well
Speaker 2: he's lost the step, he's not that will you lose
Speaker 2: your superpower because that confidence is why he is who
Speaker 2: he is. And while he might have lost a step,
Speaker 2: he's still better than ninety five percent of the guys
Speaker 2: out there, and when they get when he gets taken
Speaker 2: out of the game, that's just his personality. That's what's
Speaker 2: made him so good is because of that drive, because
Speaker 2: that's tenacious attitude that he's like, dude, I can still
Speaker 2: get this done. I'll beat this guy all day long.
Speaker 2: So that's where that comes from. And I think that's
Speaker 2: why he's been so good and so elite for so long.
Speaker 1: Pick a quarterback in the league, Now you'd like to
Speaker 1: play with I'm not in the league anymore, cast off
Speaker 1: the list in case you wanted to.
Speaker 3: That was the lu Yeah, he's cut me off.
Speaker 1: Who now do you see? And you're like, man, I'd
Speaker 1: love to play with that guy. For whatever reason.
Speaker 4: I love Dart I think I love to play with Dars.
Speaker 4: Love that swagger. I love a quarterback of a little swager.
Speaker 4: He can throw it too, but he's just a he's
Speaker 4: a competitor.
Speaker 2: You want to play with a rookie quarterback right now,
Speaker 2: A veteran dude that's gonna like see the game a
Speaker 2: little different.
Speaker 3: He runs more than he throws.
Speaker 4: No, I'm just kidding, you're right, but you know what
Speaker 4: I'm looking at from just like, who's gonna give me
Speaker 4: that energy? Like watch like I got excited to wash him.
Speaker 4: For forever reason, I don't turn on the Kansas City
Speaker 4: games like I used to, Like I'm excited to see
Speaker 4: the Giants play, but I think it's because he's polarizing.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's got this this energy, this this aura
Speaker 4: about him that like the dude's gonna put his body
Speaker 4: out there, but he's gonna compete, And like that's all
Speaker 4: you want as a as a as a you know,
Speaker 4: locker room buddy, as someone that's gonna compete.
Speaker 1: Take a wide receiver you'd like to play with now
Speaker 1: that you watch wide receiver, I mean Justin Jefferson's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase is pretty good. Uh, Seattle Seahawks last night?
Speaker 1: What's his name? Jack and Smith and jigbaby.
Speaker 2: He might be emerging as one of the top, if
Speaker 2: not the top wide receiver. Now I just name got
Speaker 2: a quarterback to the ball. But how good is that guy?
Speaker 2: I mean the separation that he creates, the different types
Speaker 2: of route running, and his hands are automatic. I think
Speaker 2: this kid is special. So watch it in from a
Speaker 2: youth standpoint. I watched him last night and I'm going, man,
Speaker 2: he just keeps getting better and better. I think it's
Speaker 2: three straight games with over one hundred yards or one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen yards. He's been incredible. So those are
Speaker 2: kids like that. I are in young guys like that
Speaker 2: who continue to get better. That's exciting.
Speaker 1: What sucks? And listen so everybody knows. I'm look at
Speaker 1: the camera on this. We are the NFL is our boss.
Speaker 1: We work for the NFL. I'm gonna say this. We
Speaker 1: are literally paid by the NFL. You gotta stop at
Speaker 1: nine o'clock Central games. I get it more football all
Speaker 1: the time. I'm even okay with like the European games.
Speaker 1: You wake up, You're like, oh, I forgot there's a game.
Speaker 1: I couldn't watch any of it, so I'm looking at NFL.
Speaker 3: He says, that was all due respectful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the most respectful way possible.
Speaker 3: What all the ratings though, what all the ratings can fantastic?
Speaker 1: Probably have no idea. I can't imagine the imagine East Coast.
Speaker 1: It starts at ten. Yeah, on a school night, crazy
Speaker 1: on a school night. Okay, final question, and you don't
Speaker 1: have to answer it. You can play the fifth of
Speaker 1: your cast. Who is the most annoying?
Speaker 3: Yes, this is such a good question, just because personalities
Speaker 3: are different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, you know what, like, I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to just play this guy, but I'm a pretty patient
Speaker 4: patient man. I didn't have anyone that bothered me annoyed me.
Speaker 4: I think it was a really good cast. As you
Speaker 4: can see the way they paint some people like Cody
Speaker 4: Brown or Jesse.
Speaker 3: He's gone now how they painted them.
Speaker 4: You know, they are polarizing in their own right for
Speaker 4: what they've kind of been through I guess or who
Speaker 4: they are. But we all built individual less ships within
Speaker 4: you know, that experience. And we had our comedians, you know,
Speaker 4: Revy and Nick were hilarious. We had like our athletes
Speaker 4: that were quiet just like I'm gonna do everything, like
Speaker 4: Randall and Sean, and then you had you know, some
Speaker 4: pop culture people that were just kind of a good
Speaker 4: mix as well. So I truthfully don't have anyone that
Speaker 4: was annoyed by There were obviously people that had conflict.
Speaker 3: I did not have that. Who would you not invite
Speaker 3: to your house for dinner?
Speaker 1: Good one? Who would I not invite? You're so right
Speaker 1: down the middle. Well, he is a nice guy all
Speaker 1: the time, which sucks because I sit in front of them.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't believe him except I've seen him be nice
Speaker 1: away from a microphone. I know, yeah, I know it sucks.
Speaker 3: Would not invite a man? Don't say me because I
Speaker 3: wasn't on the show. You should do the show. Can
Speaker 3: we get Matt cast signed up Fox? Let's go. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I would invite everyone, all.
Speaker 1: Right, he you guys are good. People need more.
Speaker 3: Love this world, damn it and more love.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys, Matt Castle, Eric, thanks coming by man.
Speaker 1: It's been awesome. Yeah yeah, kick off, Kevin Brandon Ray
Speaker 1: and Bobby Bones. We've had lots to say, Well see
Speaker 1: you guys. Next to the last time I've invited over,
Speaker 1: this is the last time he's invited over Tomorrow morning.
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