WEBVTT - Lots to Say: Fmr NFL WR Eric Decker 0:00:05.496 --> 0:00:07.696 Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is 0:00:07.736 --> 0:00:10.576 a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts. 0:00:12.096 --> 0:00:16.736 We got lots to say, we got. 0:00:16.616 --> 0:00:17.856 Lots to save. 0:00:20.576 --> 0:00:23.736 What the Becker here and we hope you stay because 0:00:23.776 --> 0:00:28.456 we got lost to say, Yeah we got lost. 0:00:28.776 --> 0:00:32.216 Just say here's. 0:00:31.936 --> 0:00:37.016 Bobby Hey, welcome back, Mattcastle, Bobby Bones and Eric Decker. 0:00:37.216 --> 0:00:40.415 Eric good to say, Buddy, Yeah, you're the first athlete 0:00:40.455 --> 0:00:42.175 I think that I've known ahead of you getting here. 0:00:42.256 --> 0:00:44.816 Using Matt just shows up with somebody, that's the truth. 0:00:47.216 --> 0:00:49.096 It's like, I don't know, uh me and my friend 0:00:49.175 --> 0:00:53.296 Randall cob Hey, Randall all right, Yeah, I thought he 0:00:53.415 --> 0:00:56.536 was you at my front door, and there's some resemblance. Well, no, 0:00:56.576 --> 0:00:58.335 you just kind of suck it following through to tell 0:00:58.336 --> 0:01:00.456 people where to go. I think, well, I told him 0:01:00.456 --> 0:01:00.895 the address. 0:01:00.936 --> 0:01:02.856 I figured he would text me when I said, didn't 0:01:02.856 --> 0:01:04.136 I say, text me when you get here? 0:01:04.416 --> 0:01:07.416 Didn't I say, Well, that's my I was in the 0:01:07.456 --> 0:01:09.576 middle of texting. He's usually late to things. 0:01:09.616 --> 0:01:14.016 I just know this from him was extremely early. Yeah, shockingly, yeah, shockingly. 0:01:14.376 --> 0:01:15.776 And I thought it was you at the front door, 0:01:15.776 --> 0:01:16.536 and I said, hey. 0:01:16.376 --> 0:01:18.576 Just where's the address for today. You can get there 0:01:18.576 --> 0:01:20.296 at twelve forty five and we'll start at one. 0:01:20.816 --> 0:01:25.176 Nothing else. Find your way wherever you know, smell smell 0:01:25.256 --> 0:01:25.736 the studio. 0:01:25.856 --> 0:01:27.416 Well, I saw him through the window and I just 0:01:27.456 --> 0:01:30.056 did a whoo like a finger whip. How is he 0:01:30.096 --> 0:01:30.936 to know what that means? 0:01:30.976 --> 0:01:32.696 I thought it was you, And I've never come to 0:01:32.696 --> 0:01:33.256 your front door. 0:01:33.336 --> 0:01:34.696 You've probably thought I had to go to the bathroom 0:01:35.216 --> 0:01:36.456 and you're like, no, bro, you got to go in 0:01:36.456 --> 0:01:36.736 the back. 0:01:36.976 --> 0:01:38.536 Yeah, so goot to see it. 0:01:38.616 --> 0:01:38.936 We made it. 0:01:39.016 --> 0:01:42.016 Yeah, yeah, we've You and I have been together in 0:01:42.056 --> 0:01:46.776 different circumstances, never like a sports show, always something more 0:01:47.056 --> 0:01:48.416 pop culture or country music. 0:01:48.616 --> 0:01:50.776 Right, Yeah, when did you guys first meet? 0:01:51.296 --> 0:01:53.736 The summer of sixty two? We would love the young gentleman. 0:01:54.376 --> 0:01:55.696 Did you guys ever play together? 0:01:55.856 --> 0:01:58.936 We did for the Tennessee Titans for two years, two 0:01:59.016 --> 0:02:00.776 years of the greatest years of my life. 0:02:00.776 --> 0:02:03.616 One year? But who's one year? Yeah, seventeen right, that's 0:02:03.616 --> 0:02:04.776 what I meant. Yeah, one year? 0:02:04.816 --> 0:02:05.736 Did you guys? 0:02:06.136 --> 0:02:06.896 What was that year for? 0:02:06.936 --> 0:02:07.016 You? 0:02:07.016 --> 0:02:08.856 Guess? Actually? We went to a playoff. 0:02:09.056 --> 0:02:09.976 We went to the playoffs. 0:02:10.016 --> 0:02:13.615 We beat the Chiefs, the Chiefs in the first round, 0:02:13.936 --> 0:02:17.216 and then we went to New England and kind. 0:02:17.016 --> 0:02:19.056 Of got beat down a little bit, but it was 0:02:19.216 --> 0:02:21.936 overall a successful year for us. And that was my 0:02:21.976 --> 0:02:25.096 second year. That was Mariota's third season, right, it was. 0:02:25.216 --> 0:02:28.096 Yeah, a lot of coaching changes, I think, but I 0:02:28.136 --> 0:02:31.096 got a great story from that year between me and Cass. 0:02:31.536 --> 0:02:32.136 I'm here for it. 0:02:32.576 --> 0:02:35.936 I'm like the I'm like the girlfriend who wants to 0:02:35.936 --> 0:02:39.656 hear all the stories about there before. Yeah, that's kind. 0:02:39.536 --> 0:02:39.856 Of a weird. 0:02:39.936 --> 0:02:43.456 Now, Yeah, this is why I love matth though, because 0:02:43.496 --> 0:02:45.296 you know there's you know, there's no boundary. 0:02:45.296 --> 0:02:45.576 I guess. 0:02:45.616 --> 0:02:48.696 Well, anyways, it's like week eight nine. We're in Pittsburgh 0:02:48.736 --> 0:02:51.456 Thursday night, I think, or it's a it's a primetime game, 0:02:51.496 --> 0:02:54.456 and I had these packages leading up, and so my 0:02:54.536 --> 0:02:56.376 story was I was kind of hurting training camp and 0:02:56.376 --> 0:02:58.536 then try to like come along and just kind of 0:02:58.576 --> 0:03:01.496 struggled really all season, to be honest, but that that game, 0:03:01.496 --> 0:03:03.896 I felt like I had more packages for me and 0:03:03.936 --> 0:03:05.936 then we never got to them on a side on 0:03:05.936 --> 0:03:08.176 the whole time it's third down going quick, you know, 0:03:08.216 --> 0:03:08.576 and then. 0:03:08.696 --> 0:03:10.576 Are you playing on the inside, We're playing the slot more? 0:03:10.656 --> 0:03:12.856 Yeah, that point playing slot more. We had some injury 0:03:12.936 --> 0:03:14.296 so I was kind of moving around a little bit. 0:03:14.656 --> 0:03:14.776 Uh. 0:03:15.056 --> 0:03:18.256 Sharon Matthews played outside for the most part. I was inside. Well, 0:03:18.296 --> 0:03:21.336 it's the fourth quarter, two minutes rail and I'm like, 0:03:22.216 --> 0:03:25.576 you know, sensimentally checked out. I'm like, well this this, 0:03:25.576 --> 0:03:27.216 this didn't go how I thought I was going. And 0:03:27.256 --> 0:03:29.216 the receiver coach is like, all right, get in, Yeah, 0:03:29.376 --> 0:03:30.896 young guys need to come out. You get in, like 0:03:31.376 --> 0:03:33.055 the no, no, keep the young guys in there. You 0:03:33.136 --> 0:03:35.656 want then play all game? Keep them in there and 0:03:35.696 --> 0:03:37.256 if someone gotten castles here. 0:03:37.376 --> 0:03:39.416 So he came up to me and he goes, hey, Cash, 0:03:39.456 --> 0:03:40.376 you got to help me out. 0:03:40.696 --> 0:03:42.496 He's like, Decker, Decker won't go in the game. 0:03:42.696 --> 0:03:46.136 I said what I was because because I'm sitting there 0:03:46.176 --> 0:03:48.816 and look, I'm just one of those guys. I was like, 0:03:48.896 --> 0:03:50.736 what do you mean he won't go in the game, right, 0:03:50.776 --> 0:03:53.656 because in my my point of view was Marcus was 0:03:53.656 --> 0:03:54.136 banged up. 0:03:54.136 --> 0:03:55.896 He had the ac joint, which a lot of people 0:03:55.896 --> 0:03:56.256 didn't know. 0:03:56.296 --> 0:03:58.416 And it's the fourth quarter, we're grinding away, we're getting 0:03:58.416 --> 0:03:59.616 beat pretty subtly. 0:03:59.656 --> 0:04:01.136 But then I go over and I'm in a race. 0:04:01.216 --> 0:04:01.936 You're not in the game. 0:04:02.056 --> 0:04:02.856 I'm not even in the game. 0:04:02.896 --> 0:04:04.976 They come to you on the sideline to say because 0:04:04.976 --> 0:04:05.816 they know, like. 0:04:05.776 --> 0:04:08.896 Look, I've I'm a veteran guy, I've got and he's 0:04:08.936 --> 0:04:11.456 a veteran. So I go up and I blow a gasket. 0:04:11.776 --> 0:04:14.536 I literally go up and sit. I'm in his face. 0:04:14.616 --> 0:04:17.455 I said, I can't believe you wouldn't go in the 0:04:17.456 --> 0:04:19.496 game right now? Are you kidding me? You're quitting on 0:04:19.815 --> 0:04:22.015 and look, I didn't know all the circumstances. I just 0:04:22.176 --> 0:04:24.176 was in a rage. Then he comes back at me. 0:04:24.255 --> 0:04:26.335 We got to get separated on the sideline. Oh this 0:04:26.416 --> 0:04:29.376 is real, like we're going to go fist a cuff. 0:04:30.255 --> 0:04:32.576 So then this is at the end of the game, right, 0:04:32.616 --> 0:04:34.616 So we go in. I'm hot, and so I get 0:04:34.655 --> 0:04:36.575 back on the bus. I'm always on the third bus. 0:04:36.575 --> 0:04:39.095 I'm sitting in the back and we've got the Bears 0:04:39.176 --> 0:04:41.695 back there, we got Ben Jones, we got the group and. 0:04:41.856 --> 0:04:45.255 Deck usually sits what about the middle or so. 0:04:45.255 --> 0:04:46.856 So he's walking to the back of the bus and 0:04:47.176 --> 0:04:48.936 I'm sitting down and I was like, oh no, I'm 0:04:48.936 --> 0:04:50.776 getting up for this because we're about to go, because 0:04:50.775 --> 0:04:52.736 I thought he was coming back to confront me and 0:04:52.736 --> 0:04:55.336 we're about to go to blows and so I get 0:04:55.376 --> 0:04:56.775 up and I stand up in the middle of the thing. 0:04:56.895 --> 0:04:59.056 And so now I'm looking like, is he gonna swing 0:04:59.135 --> 0:05:01.535 on me? What's he gonna do? And I'm getting ready 0:05:01.536 --> 0:05:03.415 to go, and he sticks out his hand, he goes, cash, 0:05:03.455 --> 0:05:04.135 you were right. 0:05:04.296 --> 0:05:05.656 And I'm sorry. 0:05:05.655 --> 0:05:07.975 And then literally we sat down together and had a 0:05:07.976 --> 0:05:11.096 full conversation for about twenty thirty minutes about it and 0:05:11.296 --> 0:05:13.536 gave both of our point of views a better understanding 0:05:13.536 --> 0:05:15.856 for what each of us were going through at that point. 0:05:16.416 --> 0:05:19.135 And that got squashed, but it made us closer. 0:05:19.455 --> 0:05:21.096 Is that the only time you've ever got into it 0:05:21.096 --> 0:05:22.296 with your own teammate on the sideline? 0:05:22.936 --> 0:05:24.056 No, for sure. 0:05:25.215 --> 0:05:25.295 No. 0:05:25.416 --> 0:05:27.616 I was one of the biggest ones though, because you know, 0:05:28.015 --> 0:05:30.176 it was a critical time of the game, but we 0:05:30.176 --> 0:05:32.015 were kind of blowing out and like young guys were 0:05:32.056 --> 0:05:33.656 into the whole game, like just keep them in there. 0:05:33.856 --> 0:05:35.416 And so when he came over, I was already I 0:05:35.455 --> 0:05:37.695 already pissed off all the game was going, and so 0:05:37.736 --> 0:05:39.496 we just yea, we were exchanging but there's. 0:05:39.335 --> 0:05:41.295 You weren't mad at him, You're a mad situation. He 0:05:41.416 --> 0:05:43.335 was just a person that was going to suffer from you. 0:05:43.455 --> 0:05:46.815 Yeah, I was the messenger and I was mad. 0:05:46.895 --> 0:05:49.216 You has been like the enforcer, though, what did't you 0:05:49.335 --> 0:05:50.496 I look at you different now. 0:05:50.455 --> 0:05:55.376 Well, I was a guy that could absolutely I didn't 0:05:55.376 --> 0:05:58.015 shy away from confrontation, and I'd let somebody know where 0:05:58.015 --> 0:06:00.496 they would stand. And I think that's what people appreciate 0:06:00.536 --> 0:06:03.376 about me too. I wouldn't I wouldn't hold back my 0:06:03.455 --> 0:06:05.616 feelings or emotions or anything like that. But at the 0:06:05.616 --> 0:06:08.335 same time, if it was go time, they would know 0:06:08.376 --> 0:06:09.376 that I'm ready to go. 0:06:10.255 --> 0:06:12.535 I've often talked about how when I see people fighting 0:06:12.575 --> 0:06:14.656 with each other, how if they keep their helmets on, 0:06:15.176 --> 0:06:16.695 you can actually do a lot more fighting with a 0:06:16.736 --> 0:06:19.815 helmet on, especially if you're just verbalizing it, because we 0:06:19.856 --> 0:06:22.215 can't tell. Like, if you keep the helmet on, you 0:06:22.255 --> 0:06:24.016 can say whatever you want, as aggressive as you want, 0:06:24.015 --> 0:06:25.895 because we can't tell because of the mask. And basketball 0:06:25.895 --> 0:06:28.056 and baseball you can't do that because there is no mask. 0:06:28.416 --> 0:06:31.535 So I feel like there's probably a lot of these 0:06:31.575 --> 0:06:36.095 type of situations without us knowing because you're not touching 0:06:36.135 --> 0:06:37.695 each other and you can't scream at each other if 0:06:37.695 --> 0:06:39.376 you leave the helmet on. Would that be accurate? 0:06:39.536 --> 0:06:39.976 I think so. 0:06:40.056 --> 0:06:42.695 I mean, it depends out the season too, Like training camp, 0:06:42.895 --> 0:06:45.176 you got that all the time, and it's usually offense 0:06:45.255 --> 0:06:47.335 defense kind of back and forth, just because you're tired, 0:06:47.376 --> 0:06:50.415 you're banged up, and just it's hot and just like 0:06:50.775 --> 0:06:52.616 ready to be done with what you're doing. And so 0:06:53.135 --> 0:06:55.295 there's been plenty of times that it's gotten into a 0:06:55.296 --> 0:06:57.496 physical altercation, but a lot of times it is, you know, 0:06:58.056 --> 0:07:02.176 chattering back and forth. And you know, especially the sideline TV, 0:07:02.255 --> 0:07:04.815 we're all competitors and so you know, we want to win, 0:07:04.856 --> 0:07:06.496 we want we think things should go a certain way 0:07:06.536 --> 0:07:08.896 when you know communication, you know, in a sense of 0:07:08.976 --> 0:07:12.016 the warriors, like you're gonna come full force aggressiveness, and 0:07:12.056 --> 0:07:14.136 so that just it comes off that way. But at 0:07:14.176 --> 0:07:15.696 the end of the day, I mean, like I love 0:07:15.776 --> 0:07:18.616 casts and our confrontation was like a growing moment for 0:07:18.696 --> 0:07:20.616 us because we're able to overcome it. You're right, And 0:07:20.655 --> 0:07:22.536 I think that happens a lot throughout the league and 0:07:22.896 --> 0:07:24.655 teams go ahead. 0:07:24.776 --> 0:07:26.936 No, I was like I was gonna touch. No, you 0:07:27.056 --> 0:07:28.696 definitely get into like. 0:07:28.655 --> 0:07:30.176 I want you to fight now. Like I'm just like 0:07:30.496 --> 0:07:31.136 training camp. 0:07:31.256 --> 0:07:33.415 Training camp is awesome for a quarterback because all the 0:07:33.416 --> 0:07:36.056 big guys and even wide receivers DBS. It's so competitive 0:07:36.056 --> 0:07:38.656 and it gets just so methodical day in and day 0:07:38.655 --> 0:07:40.816 out going up against each other. They know your offense, 0:07:40.856 --> 0:07:43.215 you know their defense, and then guys get scrappy. But 0:07:43.296 --> 0:07:45.096 from a quarterback perspective, when they get in a fight, 0:07:45.176 --> 0:07:47.896 it almost is entertainment because I'm sitting there like should 0:07:47.936 --> 0:07:48.616 I break this up? 0:07:48.696 --> 0:07:49.936 Or should I watch these guys go? 0:07:50.056 --> 0:07:51.535 Kind of you know, I'm not gonna go get in 0:07:51.576 --> 0:07:53.616 the mix and like throw blows or anything. But it's 0:07:53.856 --> 0:07:56.776 an entertaining part of camp and it happens every single year, 0:07:56.816 --> 0:08:00.576 but usually you get more verbal altercations than anything else. 0:08:00.696 --> 0:08:04.296 I do remember one scrap though. During training camp. I 0:08:04.376 --> 0:08:07.456 was with kNs City and we had Thomas Jones and 0:08:07.536 --> 0:08:11.736 Jonathan Ball Jonathan, uh it's not Baldwin, Maybe it is Baldwin. 0:08:11.856 --> 0:08:14.496 Jonathan Balin he was our first round pick. And so 0:08:14.576 --> 0:08:17.696 he's sitting there and Thomas and him start mouthing off 0:08:17.736 --> 0:08:20.016 back and forth, and we're throwing medicine balls off of 0:08:20.136 --> 0:08:22.696 like the blocks, and so you sit down and throw 0:08:22.736 --> 0:08:25.336 out and so finally he got to a point and 0:08:26.136 --> 0:08:29.776 Thomas Jones had enough and he was a full veteran guy, 0:08:29.896 --> 0:08:32.696 like twelve years in, didn't take it off anybody. He 0:08:32.776 --> 0:08:36.136 turns around and chucks this medicine ball into Jonathan's face 0:08:36.296 --> 0:08:39.055 wam from point blank range, and they go full scrap 0:08:39.535 --> 0:08:41.336 in the weight room, and I was like, what is 0:08:41.376 --> 0:08:42.055 going on right now? 0:08:42.096 --> 0:08:45.376 No pass by the way lifting. 0:08:45.655 --> 0:08:48.176 Jonathan of course throws a blow, hits him, breaks his 0:08:48.256 --> 0:08:50.776 thumb out for the first six weeks this season. So 0:08:50.896 --> 0:08:52.815 it's like one of those where you're like, look, guys, 0:08:52.816 --> 0:08:54.976 we got to know when to get in these things 0:08:55.136 --> 0:08:55.936 and when not to. 0:08:56.175 --> 0:08:58.376 But if it hurts the team, that's when it becomes 0:08:58.496 --> 0:09:01.295 a bat to Gino Smith broken jaw in the locker. 0:09:01.376 --> 0:09:02.816 Oh yeah, were you there for that? 0:09:04.376 --> 0:09:04.655 Yeah? 0:09:04.696 --> 0:09:10.175 Oh man, Well it was over nonsense. So I forget 0:09:10.216 --> 0:09:12.695 the defensive player's name, but he was invited to Gino's 0:09:12.736 --> 0:09:16.295 camp that summer for kids, and he decided not to 0:09:16.295 --> 0:09:19.175 show up, and so Gino is mad. Gino's yapping him 0:09:19.175 --> 0:09:21.336 actually the all the way around. Excuse me, this defensive 0:09:21.336 --> 0:09:23.296 player is having a camp for kids. Gino's supposed to come, 0:09:23.336 --> 0:09:26.335 he din he canceled well in training camp. It was 0:09:26.376 --> 0:09:28.016 an issue, I guess, And so all of a sudden 0:09:28.175 --> 0:09:30.535 they're apping away and Gino comes over and says something. 0:09:30.576 --> 0:09:33.336 He turns around and clocks him in the jaw where 0:09:33.376 --> 0:09:34.976 I mean he had surgery, closed jaw. 0:09:35.256 --> 0:09:35.776 He was out. 0:09:35.896 --> 0:09:38.336 We had Fitzpatrick come in. That kind of changed the 0:09:38.415 --> 0:09:41.616 season for US twenty fifteen New York because we had 0:09:41.655 --> 0:09:46.016 a successful season with Fitzpatrick. But man, just like stupid stuff, 0:09:46.055 --> 0:09:48.496 like you're saying, well, that was that's pretty extreme. 0:09:48.576 --> 0:09:50.096 Yeah, I can't believe you didn't come to my camp. 0:09:52.096 --> 0:09:54.535 It does make sense just the environment of you've got 0:09:54.535 --> 0:09:58.336 competitive people. Obviously you've got a lot of testosterone. You've 0:09:58.376 --> 0:10:02.136 got people that are not only you're competing against each 0:10:02.136 --> 0:10:03.656 other the first part of the year too, Like I 0:10:03.655 --> 0:10:06.696 can see where you could really the weather sucks almost 0:10:06.696 --> 0:10:09.696 everywhere everywhere, So with that, I can see that there 0:10:09.696 --> 0:10:11.295 are probably a lot of fights. But with you both 0:10:11.336 --> 0:10:13.696 of you guys, was it always It's gonna happen, but 0:10:13.776 --> 0:10:16.136 let's make sure it stays inside the locker room. We 0:10:16.175 --> 0:10:18.896 don't share this outside of the locker room one hundred percent. 0:10:19.256 --> 0:10:22.616 And nowadays I think that it's probably more open just 0:10:22.616 --> 0:10:24.976 because of social media. Somebody says one thing or tells 0:10:24.976 --> 0:10:27.096 an agent and it gets out, especially if somebody's hurt 0:10:27.096 --> 0:10:29.616 like in Geno circumstances, there's no hiding that he's out. 0:10:29.655 --> 0:10:31.136 For the first part of season, there was no hiding 0:10:31.175 --> 0:10:34.376 Jonathan Baldwin breaking his thumb hitting somebody and that comes out. 0:10:34.696 --> 0:10:36.496 But for the most part, I've been in the locker 0:10:36.576 --> 0:10:41.055 room where there's been altercations and blows thrown and all 0:10:41.055 --> 0:10:43.976 that stuff. Where it's in house, it's handled in house. 0:10:43.976 --> 0:10:46.815 There might be some kind of fine conduct detrimental something 0:10:46.856 --> 0:10:49.736 like that, but usually it's not released out into the 0:10:49.736 --> 0:10:52.976 media unless somebody squeals and somebody says something which you know, 0:10:53.055 --> 0:10:55.496 then the coach is gonna identify it or try to 0:10:55.535 --> 0:10:58.896 identify it and address it before it gets out of control. 0:10:59.295 --> 0:11:03.175 I was talking to yesterday PJ flak head coach Row 0:11:03.256 --> 0:11:05.896 the Boat, Row the Boat, So and like that guy, 0:11:06.736 --> 0:11:07.175 you like him. 0:11:07.216 --> 0:11:07.736 He's elite. 0:11:07.976 --> 0:11:11.535 Obviously you have a at least an emotional Relationship's where 0:11:11.535 --> 0:11:12.975 you went to school, right, Yeah, I was trying to 0:11:12.976 --> 0:11:14.816 convince it to come down to Darkansas lead a coach. 0:11:15.096 --> 0:11:15.216 Now. 0:11:15.216 --> 0:11:16.616 I was just I was letting him know what the 0:11:16.655 --> 0:11:19.056 weather's like a little more temperate. The fall colors are beautiful, 0:11:19.376 --> 0:11:22.976 and I think it's pretty happy up there. Minnesota, though, Man, 0:11:23.016 --> 0:11:26.695 that's cold, and everybody that comes into play, especially even 0:11:26.736 --> 0:11:28.576 with Castle playing in Kansas City, I just stay and 0:11:28.616 --> 0:11:30.776 talk about how cold it is, Like that's a different 0:11:30.856 --> 0:11:32.336 kind of cold right when it gets later in the. 0:11:32.376 --> 0:11:34.455 Year, it is. I mean, I grew up there, so 0:11:34.496 --> 0:11:35.776 it'd be a wide receiver too. 0:11:35.856 --> 0:11:37.696 Yeah, but you know, I mean when you when you 0:11:37.776 --> 0:11:39.655 live there, you're raised there, you don't know any better. 0:11:39.816 --> 0:11:42.415 My vacations were Wisconsin, South Kotina. 0:11:42.496 --> 0:11:43.376 Like that you stayed. 0:11:43.856 --> 0:11:45.616 I didn't leave the Midwest. I didn't know there was 0:11:45.655 --> 0:11:48.456 not a beach or weather in the South. But no, 0:11:48.496 --> 0:11:51.055 you're right, I mean it definitely six months of the 0:11:51.136 --> 0:11:55.295 year now is unbearable for me. Like I could never 0:11:55.415 --> 0:11:58.335 live there or raise my family there. It's a beautiful 0:11:58.336 --> 0:12:00.376 place in the summer, but it does get really tough. 0:12:00.456 --> 0:12:02.976 I think it maybe speaks to the character of those 0:12:03.016 --> 0:12:05.976 that survive, Like my parents are in there having these 0:12:06.096 --> 0:12:08.816 and they're still and then I'm like, you choose to 0:12:08.856 --> 0:12:11.655 be here, but it's their community, you know. I think 0:12:12.096 --> 0:12:14.896 it just it builds the character and happy for them. 0:12:14.935 --> 0:12:15.896 But I could never do it. 0:12:16.295 --> 0:12:17.736 What do you think about him? You know? 0:12:18.175 --> 0:12:20.535 Yeah, yeah, I love Pji you know, he I was 0:12:20.576 --> 0:12:22.656 down here recruiting last year. We had dinner, and I'll 0:12:22.655 --> 0:12:25.095 get up to a game every like once a year. 0:12:25.175 --> 0:12:26.936 Usually I'll try to make up there for the fall. 0:12:27.136 --> 0:12:30.976 But I love just his character, his story. You know, 0:12:31.016 --> 0:12:33.095 he gets the most out of his guys. In Minnesota 0:12:33.175 --> 0:12:34.936 is kind of like a farm system, I feel like 0:12:34.976 --> 0:12:37.496 for the Big ten, like it's hard to keep really 0:12:37.496 --> 0:12:40.575 good players, and so he really does suck the most 0:12:40.856 --> 0:12:42.976 of his guys and he gets some good athletes. You know, 0:12:42.976 --> 0:12:45.815 We've had skilled guys over the last five years, and 0:12:46.216 --> 0:12:48.256 usually it's not hard to get big guys in Minnesota, 0:12:48.336 --> 0:12:50.376 but just fun to see them play. And I think 0:12:50.415 --> 0:12:53.896 his energy is so infectious. It's it's kind of spread 0:12:53.896 --> 0:12:57.576 throughout the whole campus really, and so I'm happy for 0:12:57.616 --> 0:13:02.016 his success. You know, not much expectations for Minnesota because 0:13:02.055 --> 0:13:04.815 of the Ohio States and the Michigan's USC now Oregons, 0:13:04.856 --> 0:13:08.415 but what they're doing at the Minnesota has been incredible. 0:13:08.415 --> 0:13:12.456 He just had a big win though against Nebraska, seven 0:13:12.496 --> 0:13:13.616 and one against Nebraska. 0:13:14.216 --> 0:13:16.856 He did say there was like one to seventy as Iowa. Yeah, 0:13:16.935 --> 0:13:19.856 they said to be fair that he might own Matt role, 0:13:20.295 --> 0:13:23.016 but he gets owned by Iowa experience and yeah, they're 0:13:23.055 --> 0:13:25.856 gonna play this week. When you guys played Iowa, I 0:13:25.856 --> 0:13:28.575 mean was that you guys biggest rival was Wisconsin? 0:13:28.576 --> 0:13:31.496 Wisconsin? Iowa were the biggest. I beat Iowa once and 0:13:31.535 --> 0:13:33.976 never beat Wisconsin. So what were you guys playing for? 0:13:34.016 --> 0:13:34.696 What was the trophy? 0:13:34.696 --> 0:13:34.896 It was. 0:13:37.616 --> 0:13:39.976 Iowa game. Yeah, then the acts for the Wisconsin game. 0:13:39.976 --> 0:13:42.936 But the pig, Yeah, for the Iowa was huge. I remember, 0:13:43.256 --> 0:13:45.456 you know, I think weighs probably three hundred pounds too. 0:13:45.496 --> 0:13:46.415 So the first time he won. 0:13:46.376 --> 0:13:48.256 It, it's like, wait, it was three hundred pounds. 0:13:48.376 --> 0:13:51.816 I felt like a but he lifted up by arm 0:13:52.376 --> 0:13:53.175 overhead process. 0:13:54.456 --> 0:13:56.016 I think the golf car was brought over just to 0:13:56.096 --> 0:13:58.336 throw it on it, but no, it was Uh. Those 0:13:58.376 --> 0:14:01.096 games are fun because it makes it more special. You know, 0:14:01.136 --> 0:14:03.856 it's a big rivalry, and to have something to play 0:14:03.896 --> 0:14:06.535 for in showcase, you know, in the facility is cool. 0:14:06.896 --> 0:14:08.376 So in growing up in high school, you were a 0:14:08.376 --> 0:14:09.975 three the three sport athlete. 0:14:10.175 --> 0:14:13.415 What was the cooldest that you played in high school 0:14:13.456 --> 0:14:14.296 in a football game? 0:14:14.376 --> 0:14:17.295 Because you guys are playing obviously, Yeah, when the weather starts. 0:14:17.016 --> 0:14:19.536 To turn, yeah, I think we kind of ended well, 0:14:19.656 --> 0:14:21.576 state tournament was in November, but that was in the 0:14:21.616 --> 0:14:24.616 measure dominos around Oh real, we were inside then. But 0:14:24.736 --> 0:14:27.256 I would say a game in Fergus Falls, which is 0:14:27.296 --> 0:14:31.456 like northern Minnesota, late October, you know, just kind of 0:14:31.496 --> 0:14:35.176 like probably New England where it was single digits maybe 0:14:35.656 --> 0:14:38.016 zero degrees with the windshiel of you know, negative ten, 0:14:38.016 --> 0:14:38.696 negative fifteen. 0:14:38.816 --> 0:14:40.176 You probably didn't have the equipment like. 0:14:40.936 --> 0:14:43.936 A New England. You're getting paid and they have they've 0:14:43.976 --> 0:14:44.536 got equipment. 0:14:44.576 --> 0:14:46.136 People that will be like, hey, dude, where are these 0:14:46.256 --> 0:14:48.136 three sleeves, and you'll actually. 0:14:47.896 --> 0:14:49.016 Beat the benches. 0:14:49.136 --> 0:14:51.335 Yeah, you know, anybody that's ever lost a tower or 0:14:51.416 --> 0:14:52.496 finger in that conditions. 0:14:53.456 --> 0:14:56.776 Luckily, No, that's a good question, right, Yeah. Whenever, why'd 0:14:56.776 --> 0:14:58.096 you go to Minnesota? Was it easy? 0:14:58.976 --> 0:15:01.296 Well, it was only Scotip I got. So. 0:15:01.456 --> 0:15:05.296 My plan was from a small town, rural Minnesota, was 0:15:05.536 --> 0:15:07.896 to go to a Division three school. Saint John's was 0:15:07.936 --> 0:15:11.496 a big program at the time, and uh, you know, 0:15:11.656 --> 0:15:13.256 I was kind of a home body, didn't go to 0:15:13.296 --> 0:15:15.736 any camps, didn't really showcase myself, but got invited to 0:15:15.896 --> 0:15:18.335 one day go for camping like that, I want to, 0:15:18.616 --> 0:15:21.176 I'll go down. So I went down and on the 0:15:21.176 --> 0:15:23.496 Spotland Mason offered me a scholarship. 0:15:23.576 --> 0:15:24.256 Was like, I'll take it. 0:15:24.336 --> 0:15:27.856 Like, I mean, I had nothing else, but what about 0:15:27.896 --> 0:15:30.296 basketball or baseball? I assumed that three or baseball unless 0:15:30.336 --> 0:15:31.816 it's like, yeah, Ross or something. I don't know did 0:15:31.856 --> 0:15:32.216 three sports? 0:15:32.496 --> 0:15:33.856 Baseball and basketball? Baseball? 0:15:33.896 --> 0:15:36.216 You know, women, they didn't have full time I mean, 0:15:36.256 --> 0:15:39.896 excuse me, a full scholarship at the time. Basketball, you know, 0:15:40.136 --> 0:15:43.696 maybe Division two, Division three type offers. You know, there 0:15:43.736 --> 0:15:46.096 was always lower tier offers. I was like, you know what, 0:15:46.096 --> 0:15:47.576 I'm just gonna stay close to home. That was That 0:15:47.616 --> 0:15:49.256 was kind of always the mindset. I wanted to play 0:15:49.256 --> 0:15:51.816 all three sports in college, so that felt like that 0:15:51.936 --> 0:15:52.536 was the route. 0:15:52.376 --> 0:15:52.936 I wanted to go. 0:15:53.016 --> 0:15:55.656 And you know, I'm happy that I really changed the 0:15:55.656 --> 0:15:58.536 tracking and went to Minnesota because it obviously changed my life. 0:15:58.576 --> 0:16:00.256 When did you start actually catching balls? Because you have 0:16:00.296 --> 0:16:04.056 the record there right for receptions at Minnesota? Yeah, I 0:16:04.096 --> 0:16:06.736 think I still do. I know, Tell Johnson was catching 0:16:06.816 --> 0:16:08.936 up somewhere. Were you looking to this first and second? 0:16:09.816 --> 0:16:10.656 First in reception? 0:16:10.816 --> 0:16:11.496 Second yards? 0:16:11.576 --> 0:16:13.296 Okay, receptions, let's go. 0:16:13.336 --> 0:16:15.696 When did you start catching balls? Freshman year? 0:16:15.696 --> 0:16:16.376 Freshman ye year? 0:16:16.456 --> 0:16:17.336 Did you play immediately? 0:16:17.696 --> 0:16:19.856 I read shured. So I red shared my first year. 0:16:19.856 --> 0:16:21.856 I actually was close to getting in. So my receiver 0:16:21.936 --> 0:16:24.176 coach made me leave my helmet in the locker room 0:16:24.976 --> 0:16:25.896 because he didn't want me. 0:16:25.896 --> 0:16:26.416 To burn my. 0:16:28.176 --> 0:16:29.176 We need you down the road. 0:16:29.256 --> 0:16:31.456 It was once you played one one down, yere. 0:16:31.456 --> 0:16:32.096 That's crazy. 0:16:32.256 --> 0:16:33.296 Was it one down back then? 0:16:33.416 --> 0:16:33.656 Yeah? 0:16:33.776 --> 0:16:37.536 I thought it was three games. 0:16:36.096 --> 0:16:38.296 Right, yeah, right, you have to reach before the third 0:16:38.336 --> 0:16:39.536 game if you haven't played yet. 0:16:39.656 --> 0:16:40.096 Yeah. 0:16:40.216 --> 0:16:41.416 Yeah, that's why. 0:16:41.336 --> 0:16:44.136 It was like we were ranked my rusher year close 0:16:44.176 --> 0:16:46.416 to the top ten, top fifteen, but we were playing 0:16:46.736 --> 0:16:50.176 Penn State at Penn State and uh we got wrecked. 0:16:50.176 --> 0:16:51.536 But it was kind of in that time range where 0:16:51.576 --> 0:16:54.576 he wanted to throw me in. Luckily I didn't. But 0:16:54.616 --> 0:16:56.616 it was good development that first year because I mean, 0:16:56.896 --> 0:16:59.096 I want to changed the pace from high school to college. 0:16:59.296 --> 0:17:02.096 Talk about the development that go you went through from 0:17:02.296 --> 0:17:04.856 coming in as a freshman probably a little bit raw, 0:17:04.936 --> 0:17:08.176 and then this is big time football and the development 0:17:08.176 --> 0:17:10.736 from what year one to year two and then as 0:17:10.776 --> 0:17:12.055 you advanced through those years. 0:17:12.215 --> 0:17:14.976 Yeah. Yeah, that first year was tough. Uh. 0:17:15.416 --> 0:17:17.376 First of all, I put on fifteen pounds because the 0:17:17.416 --> 0:17:19.616 buffets are in training camp are phenomenal so I thought 0:17:19.656 --> 0:17:25.096 I had asthma's I'm not just fat. But it was, 0:17:25.176 --> 0:17:28.136 you know, the grind of practices and then balancing the 0:17:28.176 --> 0:17:30.576 school as well. There was a time after the season, 0:17:30.576 --> 0:17:32.416 because I've read shired. It wasn't playing. I was my 0:17:32.455 --> 0:17:37.055 practice Dumby and it was five degrees outside. We had 0:17:37.136 --> 0:17:39.936 five o'clock workouts. I had a mope pet I'm there 0:17:39.936 --> 0:17:43.456 with my snow bill helmet on and my snow Seriously, yeah, 0:17:44.376 --> 0:17:46.256 I lived the half a mile from the facility, maybe 0:17:46.495 --> 0:17:48.176 a little further than that, but I'm riding like what 0:17:48.215 --> 0:17:50.215 am I doing? Like what do I really want this? 0:17:50.256 --> 0:17:52.616 And I was questioning if, like this was my future 0:17:52.656 --> 0:17:55.215 and so I had kind of a coming Jesus moment 0:17:55.455 --> 0:17:57.816 and uh man, it was it was just like grind 0:17:57.936 --> 0:17:59.576 in the office. It was so hard, like I'm just 0:17:59.576 --> 0:18:01.136 gonna stick with a stick with a stick with and 0:18:01.616 --> 0:18:03.975 I stuck with it. So my rest shirt year, I 0:18:03.975 --> 0:18:06.176 started to play a special teams, started to play receiver, 0:18:06.296 --> 0:18:09.696 had kind of a position and had success. And at 0:18:09.696 --> 0:18:11.015 that point I was like, you know what, I think 0:18:11.056 --> 0:18:13.495 I can play with these guys and started to build confidence. 0:18:13.536 --> 0:18:16.616 And I had a lot of older guys that were 0:18:16.616 --> 0:18:18.656 great mentors. Matt Spaith played in the league and won 0:18:18.696 --> 0:18:21.896 a championship at Pittsburgh. Logan Payne was an old receiver 0:18:21.975 --> 0:18:23.735 who kind of took me under his wing, and so 0:18:23.816 --> 0:18:27.256 those guys were really helpful and just my development early 0:18:27.296 --> 0:18:29.656 on of building confidence and understanding, you know, what it 0:18:29.696 --> 0:18:32.096 takes to be a football player in the Big Ten. 0:18:32.136 --> 0:18:34.535 And so as the years kind of chugged along, I 0:18:34.616 --> 0:18:36.575 just had more confidence that Okay, I can play. I 0:18:36.576 --> 0:18:38.255 can play, and I built my strength up, I got 0:18:38.256 --> 0:18:42.215 a little faster, did some offseason workouts with Layerson Gerald, 0:18:42.256 --> 0:18:44.455 and like just being around that environment was like, I 0:18:44.495 --> 0:18:45.616 love this, this is what I want to do. 0:19:00.975 --> 0:19:04.016 At what point did you realize that if you set 0:19:04.056 --> 0:19:05.936 a goal to play the next level it was possible. 0:19:06.376 --> 0:19:12.096 Probably my resture sophomore year there was you know, pro 0:19:12.616 --> 0:19:15.936 caliber DB's on other Big Ten teams and I was 0:19:16.016 --> 0:19:17.936 having success against them. I was like, I can play 0:19:18.296 --> 0:19:19.775 with these guys. I think I can make it for 0:19:19.776 --> 0:19:22.815 the next step up. So that was kind of like 0:19:23.136 --> 0:19:27.056 the lead into the confidence. That's everything about an athlete 0:19:27.056 --> 0:19:31.096 is just having confidence in your ability and performing. 0:19:31.576 --> 0:19:32.376 At a high level. 0:19:32.495 --> 0:19:35.416 So that was probably the turning point halfway through my 0:19:35.416 --> 0:19:37.416 sophomore year when I was having success. 0:19:37.215 --> 0:19:39.296 And then you also played baseball on college, right, and 0:19:39.576 --> 0:19:41.856 how did that work with off season training? 0:19:41.896 --> 0:19:42.735 And yeah it was awesome. 0:19:42.816 --> 0:19:44.176 Yeah, did you get out of it? 0:19:44.215 --> 0:19:46.336 I got. I played one year in college. 0:19:46.376 --> 0:19:47.936 I was like, this is amazing. 0:19:48.176 --> 0:19:50.176 No springball, No spring ball. Yeah. 0:19:50.215 --> 0:19:52.936 So we played always, like in the New Year's Eve 0:19:53.176 --> 0:19:55.416 Bowl for football. So after that, I'd take a week 0:19:55.455 --> 0:19:58.535 off and then go right into baseball. And then our 0:19:58.576 --> 0:20:02.656 season kicked off like February, we started playing games so outfield, 0:20:02.735 --> 0:20:06.856 center field, and then so March around April, we're out 0:20:06.896 --> 0:20:11.296 there just you know, batting practice, throwing some balls, doing 0:20:11.296 --> 0:20:13.016 a couple of catching drills, and you hear the music 0:20:13.096 --> 0:20:15.775 pounding because the football practice facility is right next to 0:20:15.816 --> 0:20:18.576 our baseball stadium, and so man, just I'm like, thank 0:20:18.656 --> 0:20:19.816 you got them out over there. 0:20:19.936 --> 0:20:23.896 Did you ever feel like you were losing that competitive 0:20:23.936 --> 0:20:26.496 battle not being in spring ball as a young guy 0:20:26.536 --> 0:20:27.856 like growing up feeling. 0:20:27.616 --> 0:20:29.256 Yeah, well, man, I'm playing baseball. 0:20:29.296 --> 0:20:31.575 They're they're grinding right now. Is that gonna hurt me 0:20:31.616 --> 0:20:33.416 in the depth chart or am my playing ability? 0:20:33.975 --> 0:20:34.495 I didn't know. 0:20:34.936 --> 0:20:37.136 I thought it was pretty confident and where I was 0:20:37.215 --> 0:20:40.856 out of us in that particular room with receivers. But 0:20:40.975 --> 0:20:43.936 I think I just enjoyed. It's such a different challenge, right, 0:20:43.975 --> 0:20:46.696 I mean, baseball is such a different challenge. It's a 0:20:46.735 --> 0:20:50.055 different mentality, it's just a different environment. And I was 0:20:50.096 --> 0:20:54.055 thriving in that because it just was fun and it 0:20:54.096 --> 0:20:56.775 wasn't as physical, It wasn't as you know, it was 0:20:56.776 --> 0:20:59.015 a mental game for sure. Playing sixty plus games in 0:20:59.056 --> 0:21:01.215 the year is a lot with baseball, but it just 0:21:01.296 --> 0:21:03.336 the mental part of like having to recover from injuries 0:21:03.336 --> 0:21:04.936 all the time and trying to like you know, get 0:21:04.936 --> 0:21:08.536 through every day to get to Saturday for the game. 0:21:08.616 --> 0:21:12.176 So I didn't have the like, oh crap my behind 0:21:12.256 --> 0:21:14.576 or am I trailing someone. I was like, I'm gonna 0:21:14.576 --> 0:21:16.975 be present. I'm gonna enjoy this baseball and then when 0:21:17.016 --> 0:21:19.056 summer comes around, I'm gonna get back on the grind 0:21:19.096 --> 0:21:19.815 and earn me. 0:21:19.896 --> 0:21:22.376 It was like a mental release too, like getting away 0:21:22.416 --> 0:21:25.775 from the grind of the concept where am I on 0:21:25.816 --> 0:21:28.735 the depth chart, you know, the grind of spring ball 0:21:28.816 --> 0:21:31.536 I'm competing constantly, where you go out and you play 0:21:31.536 --> 0:21:33.495 a game that you love. It was almost like a 0:21:33.536 --> 0:21:36.656 reset button. So then when you came back to football, 0:21:37.136 --> 0:21:39.136 it was like, Okay, I'm ready to go for the 0:21:39.176 --> 0:21:41.575 fresh Yeah, you're refreshed and mentally you're ready to go. 0:21:41.816 --> 0:21:43.856 That's my biggest thing, you know, with my kids too, 0:21:43.896 --> 0:21:46.975 and my oldest is actually a specialized athlete. But like, 0:21:47.296 --> 0:21:50.616 playing multiple sports is such a nice balance because not 0:21:50.656 --> 0:21:53.416 only does it challenge different skill sets and you got 0:21:53.416 --> 0:21:56.656 to learn leadership or teamwork within different teams in sports. 0:21:57.136 --> 0:21:59.215 But it's like it is reset button. It's you know, 0:21:59.256 --> 0:22:02.055 you're focusing on football in the fall, then you go 0:22:02.096 --> 0:22:04.816 to basketball in the wintertime and then baseball, and it's 0:22:04.856 --> 0:22:09.255 like otherwise you get burnt out. That's scarcely. Part of 0:22:09.296 --> 0:22:12.616 it is like, you know, who can last playing one 0:22:12.616 --> 0:22:15.496 sport for years unless you're getting paid a bunch of money, 0:22:15.495 --> 0:22:17.856 which now college athletes are. But that that was my 0:22:17.896 --> 0:22:19.536 struggle was just like I felt like I would get 0:22:19.536 --> 0:22:22.495 burnt out coming summertime, like, oh spring balls are start work. 0:22:22.536 --> 0:22:24.576 We're just getna break and you know it just back 0:22:24.616 --> 0:22:25.215 to the workout. 0:22:25.616 --> 0:22:28.495 Was there a consideration to keep playing baseball after college 0:22:28.536 --> 0:22:29.256 versus football? 0:22:30.416 --> 0:22:33.015 I had a conversation. I just wasn't as developed, I 0:22:33.056 --> 0:22:35.176 think as a hitter, so I was not sure I 0:22:35.215 --> 0:22:37.296 wanted to take that path. And also I loved football 0:22:37.336 --> 0:22:39.776 because it was more structured. You know, you played one 0:22:40.256 --> 0:22:42.416 one game a week. You're at home. You know, you 0:22:42.455 --> 0:22:44.896 traveled maybe a couple of days, three days of the most. 0:22:45.376 --> 0:22:47.776 Or baseball you're on the road a lot, and you 0:22:47.776 --> 0:22:49.495 may not ever make it to the major leagues. You know, 0:22:49.536 --> 0:22:51.176 you get caught in the minor leagues. You're on the bus, 0:22:51.215 --> 0:22:54.255 you're just the lifestyle is completely different, and I always 0:22:54.336 --> 0:22:57.536 knew I wanted the family. Again, I'm a home body guy. 0:22:57.576 --> 0:23:00.376 I like consistency, I like structure, so football kind of 0:23:00.376 --> 0:23:03.215 gave me that. But I did go through the draft 0:23:03.215 --> 0:23:06.015 process of baseball and talk to teams and I just 0:23:06.056 --> 0:23:08.016 felt like, you know, this probably isn't for me, because 0:23:08.016 --> 0:23:10.176 they wanted me to play summer baseball and get more 0:23:10.176 --> 0:23:13.136 at bats and kind of just work that craft. And 0:23:13.215 --> 0:23:14.255 I wasn't willing to do it. 0:23:14.296 --> 0:23:17.056 But you got drafted right twice I did. Yeah, I 0:23:17.136 --> 0:23:19.295 mean fifty rounds. You're gonna you know, hey. 0:23:19.176 --> 0:23:23.256 You got drafted a bus ticket and a free meal 0:23:23.336 --> 0:23:24.455 ticket to Cracker Barrel. 0:23:24.536 --> 0:23:24.736 Yeah. 0:23:24.735 --> 0:23:27.936 Oh, after I asked for like guaranteed money like football 0:23:28.455 --> 0:23:31.416 in the second round. They're like, I'm like, okay, but yeah, 0:23:31.536 --> 0:23:33.376 Twins Milwaukee Brewers. 0:23:33.856 --> 0:23:35.976 So it's pretty cool. I mean, the hometown team get 0:23:35.975 --> 0:23:36.455 to draft you. 0:23:36.576 --> 0:23:40.536 Are you just a magnet of cold places? And it's like, yeah, 0:23:40.616 --> 0:23:42.496 let's look, let's look across the board. Who do best 0:23:42.495 --> 0:23:45.576 in cold weather? Well, Decker plays everything, so let's just hockey. 0:23:45.656 --> 0:23:47.575 They're they're trying to draft me in the NHL. We 0:23:47.616 --> 0:23:50.136 can develop that skill set. What was the pre draft 0:23:50.136 --> 0:23:51.336 process like in football for you? 0:23:51.975 --> 0:23:54.616 Well, my my senior year in football, I had a 0:23:54.656 --> 0:23:57.776 list Frank's brain so it's like a mid foot tear 0:23:59.016 --> 0:24:01.495 of the metatarsal, so I had hardware put in. I 0:24:01.576 --> 0:24:04.255 was out this is December. I had surgery, so I 0:24:04.336 --> 0:24:06.975 was out for eight months. So I was out during 0:24:07.536 --> 0:24:10.136 UH combine. I was out during kind of the whole 0:24:10.215 --> 0:24:13.615 Pro Day and draft process. I did a bunch of 0:24:13.735 --> 0:24:15.975 you know, obviously going to Pro Day, doing the interviews 0:24:16.016 --> 0:24:18.815 and doing kind of the mental part of it. But 0:24:18.936 --> 0:24:21.016 it was nerve racking because I'm a white guy from 0:24:21.016 --> 0:24:23.816 Minnesota playing a skilled position that you know, there's not 0:24:23.856 --> 0:24:26.256 a lot of us, so I didn't know what to expect. 0:24:26.256 --> 0:24:27.576 I visited a lot of teams. There was a lot 0:24:27.576 --> 0:24:30.455 of interest, but all I had to do was just 0:24:30.495 --> 0:24:33.376 kind of focus on getting healthy. And that's where actually 0:24:33.416 --> 0:24:35.736 I was in Arizona training. I met Demarus Thomas. There's 0:24:35.856 --> 0:24:37.815 a group of us training down there, and he all 0:24:37.816 --> 0:24:40.656 of a sudden tore his fifth ment of tarsel during 0:24:40.776 --> 0:24:43.975 during workouts, and so we really bonded through kind of 0:24:44.016 --> 0:24:47.215 that process of being in the athletic training room and 0:24:47.376 --> 0:24:49.736 having to do our rehab and PT and just kind 0:24:49.735 --> 0:24:51.535 of get back on the field in the sense. So 0:24:52.776 --> 0:24:56.136 I think when I look at it, it. 0:24:56.016 --> 0:24:57.896 Was something I needed. I needed a break. I was 0:24:57.896 --> 0:24:58.856 burnt out from playing. 0:24:58.616 --> 0:25:01.416 Football baseball for the two years in college, and I 0:25:01.536 --> 0:25:03.736 just was like, oh man, I go right into training now. 0:25:03.816 --> 0:25:06.096 So it kind of gave me a break to kind 0:25:06.096 --> 0:25:10.015 of re you know, configure my brain on like what 0:25:10.136 --> 0:25:11.575 kind of the goal was next for me. 0:25:12.376 --> 0:25:14.776 And it sounded like you studied for the Wonderlicks test 0:25:14.856 --> 0:25:17.616 because you got like what one of the highest tests, 0:25:17.656 --> 0:25:19.616 i mean test scores ever on the wonder Lick. 0:25:20.735 --> 0:25:23.336 That's so annoying, that's unbelievable. But it's also it's like 0:25:23.416 --> 0:25:25.176 both of you, both of you just I mean, I 0:25:26.016 --> 0:25:30.656 leave some for everybody else like athlete, good looking guys 0:25:30.975 --> 0:25:34.816 like you playing multiple sports. I'm over here like gotta 0:25:34.816 --> 0:25:37.575 do quiz bowl like it sucks. Never never got a 0:25:37.616 --> 0:25:40.615 girl until late, like leave some for the rest of us. 0:25:40.616 --> 0:25:45.336 I think Bobby's doing just fine. 0:25:46.536 --> 0:25:48.215 You crushed the wonder Lick, dude. 0:25:48.296 --> 0:25:49.696 Yeah, I think I got forty something. 0:25:49.696 --> 0:25:51.455 I don't know if it has it right here, And 0:25:51.495 --> 0:25:54.055 I was like, what I mean, I've spent a lot 0:25:54.056 --> 0:25:56.176 of time with you, just never took you for an intellectual. 0:25:57.136 --> 0:26:00.056 I scored the seventh best Wonderlick. 0:25:59.616 --> 0:26:02.376 Test of all time during his pre draft process with 0:26:02.776 --> 0:26:03.735 forty three? 0:26:04.576 --> 0:26:07.176 Was it? Did you did you study? I took the 0:26:07.176 --> 0:26:09.856 act I crushed it. Yeah, but I studied how to 0:26:09.896 --> 0:26:12.455 take the test more so than trying to learn everything 0:26:12.495 --> 0:26:15.215 that the test might have taught me. Did you prepare 0:26:15.256 --> 0:26:16.735 for the wonder Lick or just walk in and go? 0:26:16.975 --> 0:26:17.496 I kind of got. 0:26:17.936 --> 0:26:20.176 I mean, they gave us some like you know, practice 0:26:21.056 --> 0:26:24.536 questions and stuff, but really unless have been really good tutors. 0:26:25.176 --> 0:26:28.255 But I remember, like, you know, spending hours on like 0:26:28.296 --> 0:26:30.416 how to take the Wonder of the leg that they 0:26:30.455 --> 0:26:32.616 give us advice, Like all right, you know you're gonna 0:26:32.656 --> 0:26:34.976 waste a lot of time reading the full paragraph, kind 0:26:34.975 --> 0:26:37.255 of read the first sentence in the last ence and 0:26:37.256 --> 0:26:39.296 figure out, you know what you're trying to solve. 0:26:39.416 --> 0:26:43.336 Yeah, picks be. You guys had different tutors. I think 0:26:44.376 --> 0:26:46.455 the best when I. 0:26:46.376 --> 0:26:48.615 Came in, I was late to showing up because they 0:26:48.616 --> 0:26:49.896 didn't tell me what time I had to be there. 0:26:49.896 --> 0:26:52.055 Set around nine. Well, they're already taking the test. We 0:26:52.056 --> 0:26:54.015 had like twenty minutes left in the pest or whatever. 0:26:54.136 --> 0:26:56.535 And the guys like, okay, yeah, you're not really on 0:26:56.576 --> 0:26:57.616 my list, but go in there. 0:26:57.455 --> 0:27:00.576 And take the test. Start writing. I don't have any 0:27:00.576 --> 0:27:01.176 idea what I. 0:27:01.096 --> 0:27:04.816 Got, But as like, I have no idea, I told 0:27:05.536 --> 0:27:05.936 you don't know. 0:27:05.975 --> 0:27:07.855 You still I really don't know. I think we can 0:27:07.896 --> 0:27:10.295 probably find great castle. 0:27:10.336 --> 0:27:17.176 Get forty seven, one of the lowest nineteen ninety three drafting. 0:27:17.256 --> 0:27:19.735 You being like a white guy though, like you know, 0:27:20.096 --> 0:27:24.016 high motor, sneak, sneakily, athollician technical. 0:27:24.056 --> 0:27:26.495 You kind of had to get Cruden's grinder somewhere. I 0:27:26.856 --> 0:27:27.535 got that award. 0:27:28.296 --> 0:27:31.256 Yeah, what did you do? Interviews? Like the pre draft 0:27:31.256 --> 0:27:32.896 interviews and how did those go? 0:27:33.776 --> 0:27:35.696 Everything went great, I mean the interviews went great, and 0:27:35.735 --> 0:27:36.176 that's why. 0:27:36.536 --> 0:27:38.255 I think leading up to the draft, I thought I 0:27:38.256 --> 0:27:40.616 had a lot of opportunity And where were. 0:27:40.495 --> 0:27:43.536 They telling you that you might go if you go 0:27:44.536 --> 0:27:45.336 first overall? 0:27:45.735 --> 0:27:49.376 First of hell, yeah, I think you know, it was 0:27:49.455 --> 0:27:50.816 kind of in the second round. 0:27:52.376 --> 0:27:54.336 Like that was like the window like someone in the 0:27:54.336 --> 0:27:54.856 second round. 0:27:54.896 --> 0:27:57.575 Yeah, because there was teams that were looking for a 0:27:57.616 --> 0:28:00.576 skill position in early and so not a first round 0:28:00.696 --> 0:28:04.376 draft pick the second round, especially being injured, you know, 0:28:04.416 --> 0:28:06.255 I thought that was kind of high as well. But 0:28:06.296 --> 0:28:08.815 that was my expectation. So anyways, it was like Denver 0:28:08.975 --> 0:28:12.776 was on the list, they moved up, got to Marius Seattle, 0:28:12.816 --> 0:28:16.056 got Golden Tate, and it just went on the list. 0:28:16.096 --> 0:28:18.455 There was like nine or ten teams all picked receivers 0:28:18.495 --> 0:28:20.495 that I thought I was going to. I'm like, so 0:28:20.576 --> 0:28:22.495 all of a sudden, mid third round came around. I'm like, 0:28:23.215 --> 0:28:25.255 I got one hundred and fifty people at my house. 0:28:25.376 --> 0:28:28.055 I'm like, expectations were high. I'm like, oh man, I 0:28:28.176 --> 0:28:29.656 just got out of the house to go walk down 0:28:29.696 --> 0:28:31.696 the road, like this may not happen for me. What 0:28:31.776 --> 0:28:34.215 do I tell my family and friends? Like, can you 0:28:34.256 --> 0:28:36.215 guys just please go, or you know, can we come 0:28:36.256 --> 0:28:36.936 back and try. 0:28:36.735 --> 0:28:38.936 This hell out of here. Yeah, let me have a moment. 0:28:39.896 --> 0:28:41.136 And so there's a lot of nerves, you know. There 0:28:41.216 --> 0:28:43.376 was obviously the anticipation, the excitement, and then all of 0:28:43.376 --> 0:28:45.816 a sudden it was like the anxiety and the unknown 0:28:46.096 --> 0:28:49.016 feelings that were kind of setting in middle of the 0:28:49.056 --> 0:28:51.416 third round. It was day two at the time. And 0:28:51.536 --> 0:28:53.096 finally got a phone call there towards the end of 0:28:53.136 --> 0:28:53.816 the third round and. 0:28:54.016 --> 0:28:54.496 It was it. 0:28:54.496 --> 0:28:56.936 It was Denver person was it was? 0:28:56.816 --> 0:28:59.656 It was josh Um Daniels coach Y Daniels, and just 0:28:59.696 --> 0:29:01.496 I remember where I was. I was in the back 0:29:01.536 --> 0:29:04.216 porch with a couple of friends, having a few beers 0:29:04.216 --> 0:29:06.096 and trying to you know, cool that a little bit, 0:29:06.256 --> 0:29:08.456 and uh yeah, it was like a three or three 0:29:08.536 --> 0:29:12.616 number popped up like hello and changed my life. 0:29:12.776 --> 0:29:13.616 Was that the year? 0:29:15.096 --> 0:29:15.296 Yeah? 0:29:15.856 --> 0:29:16.616 First pick? 0:29:17.456 --> 0:29:21.416 Yeah, Thomas both in the first round. Oh so you 0:29:21.456 --> 0:29:25.256 were there during the Tebow years? I was, yeah, yeah. 0:29:25.136 --> 0:29:28.016 Because right, because Kyle Wharton came in that year. Yeah, right, 0:29:28.096 --> 0:29:30.976 Kyle Wharton was there. He started, But all the chatter 0:29:31.256 --> 0:29:34.095 around everything was Tim Tebow because he's such a figure. 0:29:34.136 --> 0:29:36.376 Everybody knew him from Florida and what he did the 0:29:36.456 --> 0:29:39.256 national championship, and he went about things a little bit 0:29:39.256 --> 0:29:41.656 differently and just his personality and who he was. 0:29:42.136 --> 0:29:43.496 But talk to us about that. 0:29:43.736 --> 0:29:44.096 And when. 0:29:45.576 --> 0:29:47.976 I mean my first year I played with Kyle and 0:29:48.336 --> 0:29:50.296 I still say to this day, like Kyle Orn throws 0:29:50.336 --> 0:29:53.616 like the best, the best ball, just a perfect spin, 0:29:53.816 --> 0:29:56.936 so catchable. And Tiba came in towards the end of 0:29:56.976 --> 0:30:00.096 the year because McDaniel's got fired, and so there's just 0:30:00.136 --> 0:30:03.616 the obviously transition going on with that second year Kyle stars. 0:30:03.696 --> 0:30:07.575 But yeah, from the first mistake to bow and it 0:30:07.616 --> 0:30:09.616 was it was hard in the locker room because there's 0:30:09.656 --> 0:30:12.936 some division, you know, between the quarterbacks and you know, 0:30:13.016 --> 0:30:15.216 guys that want to choose who was their guys just 0:30:15.216 --> 0:30:17.256 like let's just go and play football, you know, but 0:30:17.296 --> 0:30:20.216 you can't really do that. So come week three, maybe 0:30:20.296 --> 0:30:22.336 week four, and I was having a great start of 0:30:22.336 --> 0:30:24.016 the season. I had like four or five touchdowns the 0:30:24.016 --> 0:30:25.936 first three games with Kyle, like we were kind of 0:30:26.576 --> 0:30:28.936 had a connection, and but the San Diego game, we 0:30:29.016 --> 0:30:30.736 just were struggling in the first half of like Tim 0:30:30.776 --> 0:30:33.336 go in and Tim comes in the game second half 0:30:33.376 --> 0:30:37.416 and marches down for like one of those that game 0:30:37.976 --> 0:30:39.216 just hell, Mary. 0:30:39.416 --> 0:30:41.336 Finishes, and that's what the season was. 0:30:41.376 --> 0:30:46.776 Though we had eight wins of overtime, like like Crater 0:30:46.936 --> 0:30:49.456 kicked a sixty five yarder and Tebow ran for like 0:30:49.496 --> 0:30:53.216 sixty yards one time. Mayor and Barbara fumbled it like magically, 0:30:53.256 --> 0:30:54.976 and we scooped it up and scored, just like all 0:30:55.016 --> 0:30:58.216 these things like interdi It was an intervention. 0:30:58.976 --> 0:31:10.536 Intervention, you guys, Yeah, yeah, yes, that well. 0:31:10.576 --> 0:31:13.256 How about about that year you guys came to Kansas City. 0:31:13.376 --> 0:31:17.176 So I'm in Kansas City. The Yeah, We're playing at Arrowhead. 0:31:17.936 --> 0:31:20.576 They threw two passes in the game, rushed the ball 0:31:20.656 --> 0:31:22.416 forty so it was like sixteen to ten late in 0:31:22.416 --> 0:31:22.776 the third. 0:31:22.856 --> 0:31:23.416 That was the game. 0:31:23.456 --> 0:31:25.936 I broke my hand yep, and then you guys ended 0:31:25.976 --> 0:31:28.096 up puinting. I think you caught a touchdown pass that game, 0:31:28.096 --> 0:31:28.416 didn't you. 0:31:28.496 --> 0:31:30.696 Oh the two balls I caught, it was he was 0:31:30.816 --> 0:31:34.376 three four eight, uh, And I caught one of them 0:31:34.416 --> 0:31:37.096 for like a fifty yard touchdown. But we ran the 0:31:37.096 --> 0:31:40.616 ball sixty times. It was unbelievable. 0:31:40.856 --> 0:31:45.776 So watching that season and seeing all those miraculous things happen, 0:31:45.856 --> 0:31:48.616 it seemed game after game, but it's happening to you 0:31:48.736 --> 0:31:51.416 in the locker room. Are you guys even like what 0:31:51.496 --> 0:31:52.136 is happening? 0:31:52.496 --> 0:31:54.256 And also did you start going to Bible study? 0:31:54.416 --> 0:31:56.216 Yeah, Like it was it weird for you guys to 0:31:56.216 --> 0:31:57.575 to keep winning games like that? 0:31:57.736 --> 0:31:59.336 Oh, of course it was. I mean it was just 0:31:59.416 --> 0:32:00.855 it was the talk of the town. But then it 0:32:00.896 --> 0:32:03.136 was it was chattering the locker room as well. Like, 0:32:03.536 --> 0:32:06.176 as long as we got tim, something's gonna happen miraculously 0:32:06.216 --> 0:32:06.816 in the fourth quarter. 0:32:06.856 --> 0:32:08.936 And it really did. I mean a week after week 0:32:08.976 --> 0:32:09.416 after week. 0:32:09.456 --> 0:32:11.456 And what was crazy is we got towards the end 0:32:11.456 --> 0:32:15.696 of the season and the parking lot for the players 0:32:15.736 --> 0:32:17.776 you had to walk outside through the tunnel to get 0:32:17.816 --> 0:32:19.736 down to the locker room, and people would kind of 0:32:20.336 --> 0:32:23.016 you know, stand around astro autographs or take pictures. Well, 0:32:23.016 --> 0:32:25.016 all of a sudden, these churches started coming and they're 0:32:25.056 --> 0:32:29.095 singing homilies and they're like, you know, like praising Tebow 0:32:29.096 --> 0:32:32.856 in a sense. And so playoff game against Pittsburgh Steelers, 0:32:33.216 --> 0:32:36.575 first round, I mean there was four hundred probably people 0:32:37.096 --> 0:32:37.856 singing homilies. 0:32:37.936 --> 0:32:38.136 Dude. 0:32:38.136 --> 0:32:41.696 It was a wild But he was so polarizing, you know, 0:32:41.776 --> 0:32:45.096 and like I think he really transformed the fan base 0:32:45.256 --> 0:32:47.496 for what he accomplished on the field, but more so 0:32:47.896 --> 0:32:50.736 kind of who he is obviously in his character. So 0:32:51.416 --> 0:32:54.496 it was like one of the there's books written about 0:32:54.496 --> 0:32:56.896 it that season because it was just wild. You never 0:32:56.896 --> 0:32:59.656 see it again, but it was a fun, fun journey 0:32:59.696 --> 0:33:00.216 to be a part of. 0:33:00.456 --> 0:33:02.616 Was he polarizing though in the locker room or was 0:33:02.616 --> 0:33:03.936 it just what was happening outside? 0:33:04.056 --> 0:33:06.576 I think more so just the outside and and kind 0:33:06.576 --> 0:33:09.176 of what noise I guess is being created. I mean, 0:33:09.656 --> 0:33:11.976 Tim's a great guy. Like what you see is what 0:33:12.056 --> 0:33:15.176 you get. He's just he's super energetic, he's super positive, 0:33:15.696 --> 0:33:16.776 he works really hard. 0:33:17.336 --> 0:33:17.536 You know. 0:33:17.616 --> 0:33:20.496 One thing I say about your quarterbacks is like you're 0:33:20.536 --> 0:33:23.096 able to like hang out off the field. He didn't 0:33:23.096 --> 0:33:23.776 do that as much. 0:33:23.936 --> 0:33:24.096 You know. 0:33:24.176 --> 0:33:25.776 That was that was one thing where we strugled with 0:33:25.936 --> 0:33:28.536 was like, well, who's who's really Tim? You know, we 0:33:28.576 --> 0:33:30.896 had never got that that time outside of the locker room. 0:33:31.096 --> 0:33:33.296 But in the locker room he was a leader. You know, 0:33:33.376 --> 0:33:36.176 he was a guy everyone leaned on and and fouled. 0:33:36.216 --> 0:33:39.136 So a lot of respect for what he's accomplished in 0:33:39.176 --> 0:33:40.576 his football career, but more so. 0:33:40.576 --> 0:33:44.136 Who he is. Okay, so then Peyton comes in, Is it. 0:33:44.376 --> 0:33:46.936 Familiar with this guy Who's just who's that guy? 0:33:46.976 --> 0:33:51.776 Peyton Manning? 0:33:52.176 --> 0:33:52.656 He comes in? 0:33:52.656 --> 0:33:56.176 What the year after? So yeah, two thousand and twelve, 0:33:56.296 --> 0:33:56.856 he came. 0:33:56.696 --> 0:33:58.856 In twenty twelve. Now what was that transition? 0:33:58.976 --> 0:33:59.056 Like? 0:33:59.096 --> 0:34:02.896 Who was everybody? Just let's go well. 0:34:02.936 --> 0:34:06.776 I remember, yeah, being being uh at my apartment and 0:34:07.136 --> 0:34:09.976 our receiver coach at the time, Adam Gaze, called me, Hey, 0:34:10.176 --> 0:34:12.616 Payns in town. He's come to the facility, just pop by. 0:34:13.136 --> 0:34:16.616 I said, share, yes, okay, and so kind of had 0:34:16.656 --> 0:34:19.656 to like find an excuse to get to the facility 0:34:19.696 --> 0:34:21.496 because I mean the media was just waiting out there 0:34:21.576 --> 0:34:23.496 was tens. 0:34:23.936 --> 0:34:25.176 Because every was wondering where he was going to go. 0:34:25.296 --> 0:34:26.896 Was it San Francisco? Was it like there was the 0:34:26.976 --> 0:34:28.296 few teams they thought he would go to. 0:34:28.456 --> 0:34:31.496 Cameras follow him everywhere, right, and so stuck into the 0:34:31.536 --> 0:34:33.456 facility got to meet him. You know, I think what 0:34:33.696 --> 0:34:37.815 really sold him was probably the young talent that we had, 0:34:37.896 --> 0:34:39.696 you know, I mean no Sean Moraine at the time 0:34:39.936 --> 0:34:43.976 in the running back room to marry us obviously uh myself. 0:34:44.296 --> 0:34:47.256 You know, he brought in Wes Welker and Brandon Stokely. Uh. 0:34:47.376 --> 0:34:48.856 For two consecutive years, I. 0:34:48.896 --> 0:34:52.616 Had, you know, young Julius Thomas tight end, good offensive line, 0:34:52.656 --> 0:34:55.335 so I think he felt comfortable with kind of where 0:34:55.376 --> 0:34:57.696 the team was heading. And uh, you know, he brought 0:34:57.696 --> 0:35:01.016 his own system in for the most part. But I 0:35:01.056 --> 0:35:03.296 really think Damarius is probably a big factor in. 0:35:03.376 --> 0:35:04.976 Why he chose Denver. 0:35:05.056 --> 0:35:06.815 Our deep this was really good at the time too, 0:35:06.856 --> 0:35:08.856 so he knew we didn't have to do too much 0:35:09.576 --> 0:35:12.096 though we did, so it was it was a It 0:35:12.136 --> 0:35:14.696 was a fun time because you know, yes, we went 0:35:14.736 --> 0:35:17.176 to the playoffs. We had this like Morocco year with Tebow, 0:35:17.256 --> 0:35:19.776 but more so this was like football that I'm used 0:35:19.816 --> 0:35:21.336 to having a Hall of Fame quarterback. 0:35:21.336 --> 0:35:38.576 You're never gonna say no, how much of the offense 0:35:38.736 --> 0:35:41.416 change from the point that he got there to when 0:35:41.456 --> 0:35:44.016 the season started, was that he implemented everything that he 0:35:44.096 --> 0:35:47.496 knew of And was there subtle changes at first or 0:35:47.616 --> 0:35:48.936 was it a wholesale change. 0:35:49.096 --> 0:35:51.696 Well, you know, Michael coy was the offensive coordinator, so 0:35:51.736 --> 0:35:55.216 we originally kind of had a similar style offense, and 0:35:55.216 --> 0:35:57.136 then when Teba came in, we started going to like 0:35:58.136 --> 0:35:58.656 wing tea. 0:35:58.736 --> 0:36:03.256 I felt like, again, you're watching films in Navy or the. 0:36:04.576 --> 0:36:06.416 It was some option, for sure, we ran some option 0:36:06.576 --> 0:36:08.216 till it changed little bit. So when we went back 0:36:08.256 --> 0:36:10.776 to I guess the original offense, I think more of 0:36:10.776 --> 0:36:14.416 the verbiage probably changed. A lot of the formation stayed 0:36:14.456 --> 0:36:16.536 the same. I think some of the line calls stayed 0:36:16.536 --> 0:36:18.216 the same. But yeah, he kind of put his touch 0:36:18.256 --> 0:36:20.896 on everything. So it was a lot of work, you know, 0:36:21.056 --> 0:36:24.056 from the point that he signed and the off season 0:36:24.176 --> 0:36:27.416 started of implementing the offense to getting on the field 0:36:27.416 --> 0:36:30.176 and walking through it. I mean it changed dramatically to 0:36:30.256 --> 0:36:33.176 training camp and we started playing fast. Being in Denver 0:36:33.256 --> 0:36:36.816 having kind of that advantage with the altitude, we had 0:36:36.816 --> 0:36:38.656 a value menu, so it was like one through ten 0:36:38.696 --> 0:36:40.336 and we went to the line and we just played 0:36:40.336 --> 0:36:42.376 super fast and we went quick, and everyone knew what 0:36:42.456 --> 0:36:45.776 their routes were. Receivers, tight end state on one side, so 0:36:45.816 --> 0:36:48.096 we just kind of flipped him so we could just 0:36:48.096 --> 0:36:50.016 just go and man, it was a lot of fun. 0:36:50.256 --> 0:36:52.976 Yeah, you scored a lot of Fantasy points for players 0:36:53.336 --> 0:36:55.176 in Denver, Like it just seemed like you were getting 0:36:55.176 --> 0:36:57.376 the ball a lot. Is that when you felt like 0:36:57.456 --> 0:36:59.656 the most fluid, like we were thriving the most. Was 0:36:59.696 --> 0:37:02.296 that a few years with Peyton and Denver. 0:37:02.136 --> 0:37:05.296 Yeah, I mean of course I was younger, I was healthy, 0:37:06.096 --> 0:37:10.056 and then you know, just it was just not easy, 0:37:10.096 --> 0:37:12.456 but it felt easy in a way because we would 0:37:12.456 --> 0:37:14.016 just play so fast and he spread it out. I mean, 0:37:14.056 --> 0:37:17.136 we have still, I think all the offensive records from 0:37:17.136 --> 0:37:20.176 that twenty thirteen season, but you got to think Damarius 0:37:20.176 --> 0:37:23.216 Thomas had ten plus touchdowns. I had ten plus touchdowns, 0:37:23.296 --> 0:37:25.896 Wes Walker had ten plus touchdowns, Julius Thomas had ten 0:37:25.936 --> 0:37:28.696 plus touchdowns. No Sean Moreno had ten plus. So the 0:37:28.696 --> 0:37:31.216 ball was spread out. But we just played so fast 0:37:31.256 --> 0:37:34.936 and we had like seventy five I think offensive plays 0:37:34.936 --> 0:37:37.016 on average, you know, which is pretty high. It got 0:37:37.016 --> 0:37:40.456 to eighties and nineties sometimes in certain games. But like 0:37:40.976 --> 0:37:44.056 Peyton just knew, you know, what the defense we were 0:37:44.096 --> 0:37:45.536 doing at that time and could put us in the 0:37:45.576 --> 0:37:47.376 right position and so all you do was just get 0:37:47.496 --> 0:37:50.096 get to your spot. And man, we practiced so much 0:37:50.176 --> 0:37:55.256 as well during the week with certain nuances. 0:37:57.056 --> 0:38:06.815 Yeah, right, Nan, at least it wasn't a spelling Yeah. 0:38:06.856 --> 0:38:08.936 I can't talk, but I can use this. 0:38:09.256 --> 0:38:11.296 Yeah, But like the resonant stuff, you know, like we 0:38:11.496 --> 0:38:14.016 practiced the resident third down so much where we were 0:38:14.056 --> 0:38:15.496 just we're just automatic. 0:38:15.256 --> 0:38:18.976 And Welker told a great story about when you and 0:38:19.056 --> 0:38:22.896 he pranked. Oh yeah, Peyton, go through that story because 0:38:22.896 --> 0:38:23.976 it's it's a good one. 0:38:24.016 --> 0:38:24.936 It's phenomenal. Yeah. 0:38:24.976 --> 0:38:28.216 So there was a cover sports Delitary cover in training camp. 0:38:28.256 --> 0:38:31.496 We were shooting it and so it was Peyton, myself, 0:38:31.576 --> 0:38:34.976 Da Marius, and Wes Welker, and so the idea was 0:38:35.096 --> 0:38:37.616 just to get I guess you know us in our uniforms. 0:38:37.616 --> 0:38:38.936 But we wanted to kind of spice it up a 0:38:38.976 --> 0:38:42.256 little bit. So we told our uh meaty guy at 0:38:42.256 --> 0:38:44.296 the time to kind of put some cameras in. We're like, hey, listen, 0:38:44.456 --> 0:38:46.496 we're gonna come in and say we want to do 0:38:46.496 --> 0:38:51.736 the Bo Jackson style picture shoulder pads, you know, no Jersey, 0:38:51.976 --> 0:38:54.336 let's show some skin off. Let's let's make this risky. 0:38:55.016 --> 0:38:57.096 And so we get him on board and he goes, 0:38:57.136 --> 0:38:59.456 all right, Payton, here's kind of what they want and 0:38:59.816 --> 0:39:01.176 he shows an example of it. 0:39:01.256 --> 0:39:07.456 Peingos. He goes, here's what is this? Is this a 0:39:07.456 --> 0:39:10.696 playgirl or something? He just like brought him to the side. 0:39:10.696 --> 0:39:12.496 It just started and we got a video of all 0:39:12.536 --> 0:39:15.616 of it and he catched the vocals a little bit. 0:39:15.656 --> 0:39:17.856 But so we sat there for about ten minutes, just 0:39:17.856 --> 0:39:19.736 trying to sell it, like, let's just get one pictures. 0:39:19.776 --> 0:39:20.456 I'm not taking the. 0:39:22.136 --> 0:39:23.856 So we got a picture of us with our shirts 0:39:23.856 --> 0:39:26.815 all like being a silly and stuff, and he's there 0:39:26.856 --> 0:39:29.816 like pissed off. And then you know, Wes is just 0:39:29.896 --> 0:39:32.736 like the biggest scoofball, so he just he was the 0:39:32.776 --> 0:39:34.736 one that lead the charge, and we felt like we're 0:39:34.816 --> 0:39:37.256 just like these rookies in a sense to Peyton. So 0:39:37.376 --> 0:39:40.216 like Wes was a developed or a veteran at the point, 0:39:40.376 --> 0:39:43.016 just like he's he's he can do every once and 0:39:43.016 --> 0:39:44.856 so we're just gonna follow his lead. And man, he 0:39:44.976 --> 0:39:48.056 uh he let us down a fun path there for 0:39:48.176 --> 0:39:48.936 that break. 0:39:49.256 --> 0:39:52.336 Could you hang with Peyton outside of the locker room, 0:39:52.696 --> 0:39:54.456 you know, you talk about t but was difficult because 0:39:54.496 --> 0:39:56.016 that really wasn't his thing. Was Peyton a little more 0:39:56.056 --> 0:39:56.336 like that. 0:39:56.816 --> 0:39:59.616 He was he was Yeah, he was just the man's man. 0:39:59.696 --> 0:40:02.616 So on the field, I mean he was a sheriff, 0:40:02.656 --> 0:40:05.776 he was you know, very everything had to be perfect. 0:40:06.456 --> 0:40:08.216 But off the field, he was a lot of fun. 0:40:08.216 --> 0:40:10.576 He did a good job of getting guys to go 0:40:10.616 --> 0:40:15.576 to dinner, spending time outside of the facility, and that's 0:40:15.576 --> 0:40:19.216 what I appreciated about him is, you know, Peyton's just 0:40:19.216 --> 0:40:21.456 just a good old boy in a sense, and so 0:40:22.816 --> 0:40:24.536 I learned a lot on the field with him, but 0:40:24.536 --> 0:40:27.056 I also enjoyed and learned a lot with them off 0:40:27.096 --> 0:40:27.456 the field. 0:40:27.656 --> 0:40:30.056 So you go from Denver, you got Peyton Manning, things 0:40:30.056 --> 0:40:32.296 are rolling, and then you become a free agent. 0:40:32.096 --> 0:40:33.576 And you decided to go to the Jets. What went 0:40:33.576 --> 0:40:34.296 into that decision? 0:40:34.296 --> 0:40:37.016 Where there are other opportunities and what was that transition 0:40:37.216 --> 0:40:40.856 like going from where you were? Yep, with everything kind 0:40:40.856 --> 0:40:42.416 of going in the right direction, but then. 0:40:42.336 --> 0:40:43.816 You go to the Jets. Talk to us about that. 0:40:44.016 --> 0:40:46.936 Yeah, yeah, that was tough. I love Denver. That was 0:40:47.056 --> 0:40:49.096 kind of where my heart was and again home body. 0:40:49.136 --> 0:40:51.376 I felt like I kind of started my community and 0:40:51.376 --> 0:40:53.336 that's I had my first child, and that's where I 0:40:53.376 --> 0:40:56.176 wanted to be. And I was willing to take you know, 0:40:56.936 --> 0:40:59.376 a haircut on my contract and just to stay in 0:40:59.416 --> 0:41:02.336 Denver because again I love the community. 0:41:02.336 --> 0:41:04.056 But it's just it didn't work out with the. 0:41:04.016 --> 0:41:07.096 Team and John Elway and so, uh as I was 0:41:07.136 --> 0:41:11.136 shopping around, you know, that draft class is really good, 0:41:11.216 --> 0:41:14.256 so I don't think teams are jumping at receivers. I 0:41:14.296 --> 0:41:16.096 talked to Cleveland for a little bit. I thought actually 0:41:16.136 --> 0:41:17.176 was going to Jacksonville. 0:41:18.256 --> 0:41:20.976 Warm Weather. Warm Weather could have could have done it, 0:41:21.136 --> 0:41:21.896 but you know, New. 0:41:21.856 --> 0:41:24.016 York's it was just repulsed by I can't go somewhere 0:41:24.016 --> 0:41:25.576 where it's over seventy in. 0:41:25.536 --> 0:41:30.336 The north, in the North, and New York probably had 0:41:30.336 --> 0:41:32.416 the most interest of time, and so I went there. 0:41:32.896 --> 0:41:34.616 You know, I was in this this headspace, just had 0:41:34.616 --> 0:41:38.096 a new baby, didn't know what to expect. I loved 0:41:38.096 --> 0:41:41.176 the idea of New York. I thought Gino was that 0:41:41.336 --> 0:41:43.736 like it was actually a player too, you know at 0:41:43.736 --> 0:41:46.216 that time. And what I learned was, you know, as 0:41:46.256 --> 0:41:48.936 he matured, he became a player, but he wasn't there yet. 0:41:50.016 --> 0:41:52.336 So it was it was a crazy transition because when 0:41:52.336 --> 0:41:55.256 you show up, expectations are so high. And John Iasick 0:41:55.376 --> 0:41:56.976 was the GM at the time, and he's like, listen, 0:41:56.976 --> 0:41:59.776 we got eighty million dollar cap. We're gonna go and 0:42:00.016 --> 0:42:03.016 spend it. And I'm like, awesome, I'm on board for that. 0:42:03.136 --> 0:42:05.216 Like I'll sign and be part of this team and 0:42:06.176 --> 0:42:09.696 end up signed really no one else. And I'm to 0:42:09.736 --> 0:42:11.976 be honest, not a number one receiver, you know, I'm 0:42:11.976 --> 0:42:14.896 not a Demarus Thomas or Julio Jones or you know, 0:42:14.936 --> 0:42:16.576 any of those guys at the time. So I'm like, well, 0:42:16.616 --> 0:42:19.656 I need, you know, my batman, you know, I mean, 0:42:19.736 --> 0:42:21.536 my guy that I'm going to play with. And they 0:42:21.536 --> 0:42:24.296 didn't bring anyone in. I really no skill guys they 0:42:24.296 --> 0:42:28.456 brought in. So it was a tough transition, but it was, 0:42:28.776 --> 0:42:31.096 you know, a growing experience for me just to be 0:42:31.216 --> 0:42:34.296 part of a new team with some veteran guys in 0:42:34.336 --> 0:42:36.416 the line and defense that have been there for ten 0:42:36.536 --> 0:42:39.776 ten years. But uh yeah, I love Dever. I would 0:42:39.776 --> 0:42:41.776 have stayed there my whole whole career, but it's part 0:42:41.816 --> 0:42:42.216 of the game. 0:42:42.576 --> 0:42:44.536 Did you feel like the media in New York Did 0:42:44.616 --> 0:42:46.216 you feel immediately that it was. 0:42:46.216 --> 0:42:47.856 Different, tremendously different. 0:42:47.976 --> 0:42:48.296 Yeah. 0:42:48.496 --> 0:42:52.216 I mean we had Tebow and the polarizing experience that year, 0:42:52.656 --> 0:42:55.536 Peyton comes into the town again, media frenzy, but it's 0:42:55.616 --> 0:42:58.216 a different type of media than it is in New York. 0:42:58.336 --> 0:43:01.336 And obviously Page six or the press that New York 0:43:01.936 --> 0:43:05.336 can garnish was was different for sure. And at that point, 0:43:05.416 --> 0:43:07.936 went I had a reality show for a couple of years, 0:43:07.976 --> 0:43:10.096 and so that was, you know, another pop culture. They're 0:43:10.096 --> 0:43:12.416 going to pull from and try to ruffle the feathers 0:43:12.416 --> 0:43:12.936 a little bit. 0:43:14.136 --> 0:43:16.416 You started that when you're in New York. So no, 0:43:16.576 --> 0:43:17.616 that was in Denver. 0:43:18.256 --> 0:43:21.416 You started reality television show and you know I had 0:43:21.456 --> 0:43:23.176 a show with Jesse. Yes, I remember that. 0:43:23.216 --> 0:43:26.296 I didn't know it was my last year up to 0:43:26.376 --> 0:43:29.616 our wedding, well our wedding and to having Vivi. You 0:43:29.656 --> 0:43:32.816 know what's so crazy about reality TV is so the 0:43:32.856 --> 0:43:35.336 super Bowl year we were filming, but we stopped filming 0:43:35.896 --> 0:43:40.176 like January February playoffs and super Bowl and we had 0:43:40.176 --> 0:43:43.096 to go back and film like we're like me and 0:43:43.176 --> 0:43:44.976 de Marius went and acting like. 0:43:44.896 --> 0:43:45.776 We're going to the super Bowl. 0:43:45.976 --> 0:43:49.856 We had a film like we're. 0:43:49.696 --> 0:43:51.816 Gonna get this done. Oh man. So it's just like 0:43:51.856 --> 0:43:55.216 how did you do that? I mean, it's just a job. 0:43:55.216 --> 0:43:57.136 You show up when you go let's let's do it. 0:43:57.136 --> 0:43:59.376 So there's some acting involved in that and that type 0:43:59.376 --> 0:44:01.416 of reality for sure, there is, yes. 0:44:01.136 --> 0:44:03.456 And even if there's even if it's real, just from 0:44:03.456 --> 0:44:07.096 my experience doing a few things, it's set up in 0:44:07.136 --> 0:44:09.016 a way of even if you're not acting, they're putting 0:44:09.016 --> 0:44:10.416 you in a place that they want you to be. 0:44:10.776 --> 0:44:12.696 So they're getting a result that they want. 0:44:13.416 --> 0:44:15.736 Yeah, I mean it's very structured. We actually just fired 0:44:15.776 --> 0:44:18.776 the first production team because they were like, let's let's 0:44:18.816 --> 0:44:21.296 try to like crate some fights here, and like, no, 0:44:21.416 --> 0:44:23.816 that's not the story that I want to tell. But 0:44:23.976 --> 0:44:26.376 leading up to a wedding, you're gonna get your you know, 0:44:26.656 --> 0:44:31.096 food tasting, your venue spot, you know, flowers, you can 0:44:31.136 --> 0:44:32.736 do all the things that lead up to a wedding. 0:44:32.736 --> 0:44:34.216 Well that's why they put us in the spot and 0:44:34.216 --> 0:44:37.336 everything within that. It's organic and they pay for that. 0:44:37.696 --> 0:44:40.576 They pay for all of the Yeah, thank you. Yeah, 0:44:40.616 --> 0:44:42.336 but it's definitely like a job. You show up and 0:44:42.336 --> 0:44:43.656 you kind of got a sheet like all right, we're 0:44:43.656 --> 0:44:46.416 gonna hit you know, one, two, three, four things today 0:44:46.696 --> 0:44:47.576 and ready. 0:44:47.336 --> 0:44:48.456 Got to finish it in time so you can get 0:44:48.456 --> 0:44:50.496 to the next thing. Yeah, so they can set up. 0:44:50.616 --> 0:44:52.456 You should get your show. It's fun. Hell no, you 0:44:52.456 --> 0:44:55.016 don't want to show you don't there to just show. 0:44:54.856 --> 0:44:56.416 Me in the spur van picking up kids. Good in 0:44:57.456 --> 0:44:58.696 who do you want the conflict with today? 0:44:58.736 --> 0:45:02.616 Don't worry conflicts versus each other with their forty two kids. 0:45:02.976 --> 0:45:05.096 Yeah, like my oldest son's got my other son a 0:45:05.096 --> 0:45:06.336 headline don't stop it. 0:45:07.096 --> 0:45:08.976 I would feel if I were in New York, or 0:45:09.016 --> 0:45:11.296 if I were anywhere and I was led to believe 0:45:11.376 --> 0:45:12.816 that I was coming in and they were going to 0:45:13.376 --> 0:45:15.336 give put weapons around me, and they did not put 0:45:15.376 --> 0:45:17.536 weapons around me, I would feel there would be resentment 0:45:17.536 --> 0:45:19.376 building in me from the beginning, even if I didn't 0:45:19.416 --> 0:45:21.056 want it to be. If they were like or if 0:45:21.056 --> 0:45:22.136 I were like they were like, hey, we're going to 0:45:22.176 --> 0:45:23.976 build you a podcast studio, and we're going to invest 0:45:24.016 --> 0:45:25.936 all this money in you, and they gave me one microphone, 0:45:25.976 --> 0:45:28.256 I'd be like, no, no, you promised me all this technology. 0:45:28.696 --> 0:45:30.936 I feel like I would be resentful of that. Did 0:45:30.976 --> 0:45:32.016 you feel that a bit in New York? 0:45:32.576 --> 0:45:32.736 Why? 0:45:32.896 --> 0:45:37.016 I would say, you know, it was disappointing, Like Rex 0:45:37.096 --> 0:45:39.456 Ryan again was the reason why I went there. Rex 0:45:39.536 --> 0:45:42.096 is an awesome guy, and I think he's a player's coach, 0:45:42.616 --> 0:45:44.616 and you know, he kind of was handcuffed that year. 0:45:44.696 --> 0:45:46.976 I mean, so he got he got fired, and I 0:45:47.056 --> 0:45:49.896 think that was like, did I make the right choice 0:45:49.976 --> 0:45:53.656 kind of conversation, And you know, I'm a loyalist. I'm 0:45:53.696 --> 0:45:57.496 sticking to the decision I made. But definitely with disappointment, 0:45:57.616 --> 0:46:00.376 not necessarily resentment, but disappointment and thinking like, hey, well 0:46:00.776 --> 0:46:03.176 you say one thing, do what you say. You know, 0:46:03.216 --> 0:46:05.856 that's just one person kind of leading the charges GM 0:46:05.376 --> 0:46:09.216 and everyone else doesn't really have much say in that. 0:46:09.376 --> 0:46:14.056 So year two, you know, we had regime change. Todd 0:46:14.096 --> 0:46:17.016 Bowles come in. I love Todd, and you know, we 0:46:17.056 --> 0:46:18.815 started to build the team up. We had a great 0:46:18.816 --> 0:46:21.136 defense at the time, so we always were in games. 0:46:21.176 --> 0:46:23.496 Just that we needed some skill players and started spending 0:46:23.496 --> 0:46:25.736 a little bit more on the skilled guys. Brandon Marshall 0:46:25.776 --> 0:46:29.456 came in, uh, and you know, we made kind of 0:46:30.216 --> 0:46:32.456 the changes that were supposed to happen the year prior. 0:46:32.616 --> 0:46:34.736 Was brand Marshall one of the more intimidating human beings 0:46:34.776 --> 0:46:35.776 you've ever met in your life. 0:46:35.776 --> 0:46:36.976 Oh man, because. 0:46:36.736 --> 0:46:40.376 I see him and he is a man, he had one, 0:46:40.416 --> 0:46:42.736 but too he's got the personality like I don't want 0:46:42.776 --> 0:46:43.616 to take this guy out. 0:46:44.736 --> 0:46:49.856 He's he's a beautiful person because initially I was intimidated 0:46:49.896 --> 0:46:52.616 and scared of him because you know, which is read 0:46:52.696 --> 0:46:55.456 from prior and just you know, kind of his stature. 0:46:55.456 --> 0:46:58.096 He's a big guy and he can carry. 0:46:57.936 --> 0:47:01.216 Himself in a kind of like whoa you know, polarizing way, 0:47:01.256 --> 0:47:05.616 but he's super deep, like he is, like he knows 0:47:05.656 --> 0:47:08.176 who he is. He's done a lot of work on himself. 0:47:09.056 --> 0:47:13.056 He's very smart, and we had so many good conversations 0:47:13.136 --> 0:47:15.376 in the receiver room. So we bonded and had a 0:47:15.376 --> 0:47:18.496 really good relationship. But initially I was definitely scared of him. 0:47:19.416 --> 0:47:21.616 And he plays that way on the field. I mean 0:47:21.656 --> 0:47:23.976 he he has a screw loose, I'm sure, but you know, 0:47:24.016 --> 0:47:27.216 he goes crazy and it's fun to be on his 0:47:27.376 --> 0:47:28.696 side and not on the other side. 0:47:29.296 --> 0:47:31.216 How'd you end up in Nashville, Tennessee. 0:47:32.136 --> 0:47:36.976 Yeah, so with the Titans, well, New York. Let's see 0:47:36.976 --> 0:47:39.376 my third year going in my fourth year, I was 0:47:39.376 --> 0:47:41.376 there all the way through mini camp and so I 0:47:41.456 --> 0:47:46.336 had season any injuries with my hip and my shoulder, 0:47:46.336 --> 0:47:48.736 I had surgery on and so I recover. I get 0:47:48.776 --> 0:47:52.216 to end of kind of off season workouts, mini camp, 0:47:52.496 --> 0:47:54.936 and all of a sudden, Lee Johnson decides he wants 0:47:54.976 --> 0:47:57.656 to cut everyone over the age of thirty. So it's 0:47:57.696 --> 0:48:02.736 like June fourteenth, fifteenth, somewhere in that range, and we 0:48:02.776 --> 0:48:05.856 all get canned, and like, Gray, that's that's awesome. So 0:48:06.616 --> 0:48:09.296 talked to my agent, like, where are the options where 0:48:09.296 --> 0:48:11.376 can I go? And Tennessee was home at the time. 0:48:11.416 --> 0:48:14.816 We've been in Tennessee since twenty eleven, so this is 0:48:15.016 --> 0:48:17.696 twenty seventeen. I'm like, it'd be great to play close 0:48:17.736 --> 0:48:22.176 to home. Well, John Robinson was with the Patriots, who 0:48:22.456 --> 0:48:24.776 you know at the time originally was looking to draft 0:48:24.816 --> 0:48:29.296 me in twenty ten, and we just kind of hit 0:48:29.376 --> 0:48:32.536 it off. It worked out they had needed the extra receiver, 0:48:32.656 --> 0:48:35.816 and so I talked to you a few different teams, 0:48:35.816 --> 0:48:38.136 but that was kind of who I was focusing on 0:48:38.176 --> 0:48:39.416 because I wanted to be close to home. 0:48:39.496 --> 0:48:41.296 That feel good to be able to play here at home. 0:48:41.656 --> 0:48:43.016 It was and that was awesome. I mean I was 0:48:43.056 --> 0:48:45.136 actually feeling the best I've felt for a long time, 0:48:45.136 --> 0:48:49.656 probably since the Super Bowl year physically, and then you know, 0:48:49.736 --> 0:48:52.096 just the excitement of being home, sitting in my own bed, 0:48:52.696 --> 0:48:54.096 my own house, and be able to you know, go 0:48:54.136 --> 0:48:56.936 to work and kind of have that balance. And then 0:48:57.176 --> 0:48:59.336 you know, a lot of familiar faces in the locker room. 0:49:00.296 --> 0:49:03.616 We're really helpful in that transition, especially late, because it's 0:49:03.616 --> 0:49:07.336 just I jumped right into training camp and then you know, 0:49:07.416 --> 0:49:09.896 unfortunately again got hurt in training camp. Was like the 0:49:09.896 --> 0:49:11.936 story of my life towards the end of my career, 0:49:12.776 --> 0:49:15.056 so it was like a very volatile year for me. 0:49:15.096 --> 0:49:16.616 I mean, it was tough, probably the worst year I 0:49:16.656 --> 0:49:20.096 ever had in terms of life performance and stuff. But 0:49:20.336 --> 0:49:23.216 just it was great to be again around a lot 0:49:23.256 --> 0:49:25.376 of guys that I'm friends with life now because we 0:49:25.416 --> 0:49:27.416 have kids the same age and kids go to school together, 0:49:27.456 --> 0:49:31.416 and so I got to share life in the locker 0:49:31.456 --> 0:49:32.216 room with these fellows. 0:49:32.456 --> 0:49:33.936 You know, it's crazy about that season. 0:49:33.936 --> 0:49:35.536 Like you said, you get hurt going in training camp, 0:49:35.576 --> 0:49:37.176 and a lot of people don't understand how tough that 0:49:37.296 --> 0:49:39.816 is for especially skilled players and wide receiver in particular, 0:49:40.176 --> 0:49:42.416 just from conditioning all that. But I will remember remember 0:49:42.416 --> 0:49:44.456 the first game, I think it was the first game, 0:49:44.856 --> 0:49:47.016 and so we used to do this thing where if 0:49:47.056 --> 0:49:49.216 it was even numbers, whether it's protection, say it was 0:49:49.256 --> 0:49:52.296 sixty four, it was seventy four, whatever it might be. 0:49:52.576 --> 0:49:54.776 Or if it's a run, say it's the thirties, thirty eight, 0:49:54.816 --> 0:49:56.776 thirty six, that's all on two. 0:49:57.296 --> 0:49:59.896 If it's an odd number, it's on one. 0:50:00.496 --> 0:50:04.256 So we get up there and it's early in the game, 0:50:04.736 --> 0:50:07.256 and we call an even number one, which means it's 0:50:07.296 --> 0:50:09.176 on two. But if you haven't done it. Like you 0:50:09.216 --> 0:50:10.936 should have seen during the off season, guys are jumping 0:50:10.936 --> 0:50:13.096 off all the time. Well, Deck's out there looking at 0:50:13.136 --> 0:50:17.576 the ball and it's lady. Lady said, right, it's on two. 0:50:17.616 --> 0:50:18.336 He jumps on one. 0:50:18.576 --> 0:50:21.176 He comes over the sideline and it's a funny thing. 0:50:21.216 --> 0:50:21.656 He looks at me. 0:50:21.696 --> 0:50:24.136 He goes, cass, when do you know what's on two? 0:50:24.176 --> 0:50:25.296 And when do you know it's on one? 0:50:25.816 --> 0:50:28.936 Because we would not call Cadence in the middle, it 0:50:29.056 --> 0:50:32.216 was now assumed that because of the process of going 0:50:32.216 --> 0:50:35.296 through it in the repetitions that we had during the 0:50:35.336 --> 0:50:38.456 off season, which they weren't, that he wasn't He wasn't 0:50:38.496 --> 0:50:40.776 part of it to a certain extent, right, but not 0:50:40.776 --> 0:50:41.776 not surely. 0:50:42.056 --> 0:50:43.896 So he goes, how do you know it's on two 0:50:43.936 --> 0:50:45.696 and one? I said, what the. 0:50:47.256 --> 0:50:49.096 He's like, dude, I missing a lot of training camp. 0:50:49.136 --> 0:50:52.216 I was like, even numbers on two, odd numbers on one. 0:50:52.256 --> 0:50:54.815 He's like, oh, I got it. 0:50:55.016 --> 0:50:57.936 Thanks. Was that a hard decision to go I'm done? 0:50:59.016 --> 0:50:59.496 Uh? 0:51:00.056 --> 0:51:03.136 At the time, No, I think after I processed it 0:51:03.416 --> 0:51:07.536 and walked away six months later, probably yes, because I 0:51:07.576 --> 0:51:08.816 think I still had more of the tank. But I 0:51:08.816 --> 0:51:12.056 think I was so emotionally and mentally checked out from 0:51:12.176 --> 0:51:14.696 all the injuries in the last three years of my 0:51:14.736 --> 0:51:17.456 career that I just I didn't want to do it, 0:51:17.496 --> 0:51:19.016 you know. And I went to New England the year 0:51:19.056 --> 0:51:21.776 they won the Super Bowl and it was like that 0:51:21.896 --> 0:51:25.176 was actually like the Frosting and the cake Bilichick camp 0:51:25.376 --> 0:51:26.296 at Cage. 0:51:25.976 --> 0:51:27.096 Of thirty three. 0:51:27.736 --> 0:51:30.096 I was like, I don't think I have it, you know, 0:51:30.096 --> 0:51:32.576 I'm banging heads with these twenty two year olds. I'm like, 0:51:33.256 --> 0:51:35.616 I'm used to like the that car, Like I stand 0:51:35.616 --> 0:51:38.216 on the sideline get ready for the season. And it 0:51:38.336 --> 0:51:40.536 was the reality of I don't think I was all in, 0:51:40.896 --> 0:51:43.336 you know, mentally and physically, and I was kind of 0:51:43.376 --> 0:51:45.976 already halfway checked out. I had my third child at 0:51:46.016 --> 0:51:48.656 the time back in Nashville and just was missing my family. 0:51:48.696 --> 0:51:52.856 And yeah, I mean it was it was again easy 0:51:52.856 --> 0:51:55.336 at the time I decided to retire, but then it 0:51:55.376 --> 0:51:57.496 was super hard at six months after. 0:51:57.536 --> 0:52:01.096 It was like, did I really give it everything I had? 0:52:01.896 --> 0:52:04.815 But do you have any regrets looking back? I don't 0:52:04.856 --> 0:52:08.576 now know me. I think I've worked through all that. 0:52:08.616 --> 0:52:11.376 I think I think I struggle with, you know, losing 0:52:11.376 --> 0:52:14.296 the game and the sense losing my identity and uh 0:52:14.616 --> 0:52:18.456 what my value in the sense was. But now as 0:52:18.616 --> 0:52:21.096 I guess, you know, five years longer than that, seven 0:52:21.176 --> 0:52:24.256 years out and just more of a mature person. It 0:52:24.336 --> 0:52:26.496 was the right time. You know, I made the right decision, 0:52:26.856 --> 0:52:29.376 and I'm happy with my decision. I don't regret anything. 0:52:29.616 --> 0:52:31.096 What's it like being a sex symbol? 0:52:31.376 --> 0:52:32.976 Yeah, yeah, because it seems like you guys get it 0:52:33.016 --> 0:52:34.656 on all the time too. They're just kids popping out, 0:52:34.656 --> 0:52:37.056 Like every time I load it up, there's a new 0:52:37.096 --> 0:52:38.936 baby baby. 0:52:39.056 --> 0:52:40.816 Just a piece of meat. Well, I'm with Castles. I 0:52:40.816 --> 0:52:42.536 gotta try to keep up. You know, he's got he's 0:52:42.576 --> 0:52:43.856 got that sprinder van for old kids. 0:52:43.896 --> 0:52:47.736 I gotta that's the goal. I don't Yeah, I guess 0:52:47.816 --> 0:52:47.976 you know. 0:52:48.056 --> 0:52:50.936 Really my wife is is my sugar mama, and she's 0:52:50.976 --> 0:52:53.696 the social queen. So I'm just a piece of meat, Bobby, 0:52:53.696 --> 0:52:54.256 It's all I am. 0:52:55.016 --> 0:52:56.855 I wish I could be a piece of meat once 0:52:56.896 --> 0:52:58.416 in my life, being a piece of meat. 0:52:59.016 --> 0:52:59.776 Ye, that's what I'm saying. 0:52:59.816 --> 0:53:02.016 Like I'm like quiz bowl. You know, I've had to 0:53:02.056 --> 0:53:04.656 do my whole life there. So I know. You guys 0:53:04.656 --> 0:53:08.576 did the the show the Special Special Forces, and it 0:53:08.576 --> 0:53:12.456 reminds me because Randall's over here. Yeah, so that's that 0:53:12.576 --> 0:53:13.416 looked like a tough show. 0:53:13.536 --> 0:53:14.136 It was hard. 0:53:14.376 --> 0:53:16.335 How hard was it for real? Because we talked about 0:53:16.416 --> 0:53:18.656 we've both done reality stuff and we know some of 0:53:18.696 --> 0:53:22.416 it's weirder, harder, easier than what you actually see. What 0:53:22.496 --> 0:53:23.176 was that show? Really? 0:53:23.296 --> 0:53:26.296 That was a real show with reality, I guess in 0:53:26.296 --> 0:53:30.176 a sense tied to it. I mean everything they put 0:53:30.256 --> 0:53:33.416 us through it was like real training, you know, of 0:53:33.456 --> 0:53:35.576 what they would do. Now, there was like hiccups sometimes 0:53:35.576 --> 0:53:38.536 with production or Hay's twelve hour break. You know, we 0:53:38.536 --> 0:53:41.296 need our camera guys to take a lunch break or union. 0:53:41.296 --> 0:53:44.056 They got to take twelve hour break. So we're sitting 0:53:44.096 --> 0:53:47.936 there on a cliff for like three hours because they 0:53:47.936 --> 0:53:50.736 got to take lunch break. Cool, how about some water 0:53:50.856 --> 0:53:54.256 up there? No, but it was it was intense. I 0:53:54.336 --> 0:53:57.456 mean the drill sergeants, now that you know, we got 0:53:57.536 --> 0:53:59.855 to know them after the show, they're really good people 0:53:59.936 --> 0:54:03.136 and what they've accomplished in their life is amazing. You know, 0:54:03.136 --> 0:54:05.855 I got so much respect for the military of women 0:54:06.256 --> 0:54:08.576 in our country. And there's a couple of UK guys too, 0:54:09.536 --> 0:54:13.096 of how they represented what they sacrifices they made because 0:54:13.296 --> 0:54:15.296 we got just a little taste of it and it 0:54:15.336 --> 0:54:19.856 was real. I'm telling you this last show on Thursday 0:54:19.896 --> 0:54:22.936 with the tunnels, I mean that that was like something 0:54:22.936 --> 0:54:23.536 I've never. 0:54:23.416 --> 0:54:25.096 Done, would never want to do again. 0:54:25.216 --> 0:54:27.536 I mean, I've got PTSD if I ever get into 0:54:27.576 --> 0:54:30.936 like an MRI too now, just because tight quarters and 0:54:30.936 --> 0:54:33.576 getting stuck and he saw Johnny he tapped out and 0:54:33.656 --> 0:54:38.456 he just panicked. But the next couple episodes you'll see 0:54:38.496 --> 0:54:41.856 just I think it's the mental part of it. I mean, physically, yes, 0:54:41.976 --> 0:54:46.815 we can endure these exercises, but it's it's like from 0:54:46.856 --> 0:54:48.936 five am and not knowing what you're doing all the 0:54:48.936 --> 0:54:51.656 way till midnight, basically till they turn the lights off, 0:54:51.696 --> 0:54:53.256 because they could pull you out eleven thirty and put 0:54:53.296 --> 0:54:56.136 you through this beasting, which is a night workout. So 0:54:56.576 --> 0:54:59.096 it's like that cortisol rush is just always going and 0:54:59.136 --> 0:55:02.016 so you're just mentally, emotionally kind of fatigued. And so 0:55:02.136 --> 0:55:04.576 that was the hardest thing. The balance was just like, 0:55:04.576 --> 0:55:07.336 all right, we're here, let's let's get to lunch. I 0:55:07.376 --> 0:55:09.536 know probably Randall said that because he always said it 0:55:09.576 --> 0:55:11.896 on the show. Let's get to lunch, Let's get to dinner, 0:55:11.936 --> 0:55:13.496 Let's get to the next thing. Because that's all you. 0:55:13.456 --> 0:55:16.056 Could really droll. That's all you really know is that 0:55:16.096 --> 0:55:18.936 they got to feed you. So just show up and get. 0:55:20.216 --> 0:55:22.296 Why'd you do the show? Who do they come to 0:55:22.336 --> 0:55:23.776 both of you? They go to Jesse, they go to you. 0:55:23.856 --> 0:55:24.336 What happened? 0:55:24.376 --> 0:55:28.016 So actually the first year they did it, they asked 0:55:28.016 --> 0:55:29.656 if I wanted to do it, and she was on tours. 0:55:29.656 --> 0:55:32.456 I couldn't, and so Danny Amadola got cast in and 0:55:32.536 --> 0:55:35.296 he did awesome, and I've always wanted to do it again, 0:55:35.376 --> 0:55:36.856 and I just kind of was like a has been 0:55:36.936 --> 0:55:38.816 so I couldn't get on it. But they started doing 0:55:39.416 --> 0:55:42.936 the couple dynamic, and so Andrew and Sean got asked, 0:55:42.976 --> 0:55:47.776 and then uh Housewives and Gia got asked to do it, 0:55:47.816 --> 0:55:49.656 and they needed another couple. So originally it was like 0:55:49.656 --> 0:55:51.056 ten days out from the show. I think we were 0:55:51.136 --> 0:55:53.496 kind of a filler and we're like, now we can't 0:55:53.536 --> 0:55:55.256 do it. We had a trip to Italy planed and 0:55:55.256 --> 0:55:58.376 it was like to move all those things was a lot, 0:55:58.496 --> 0:56:00.936 and so we said no, they want two different couple. 0:56:01.496 --> 0:56:01.976 They said no. 0:56:02.096 --> 0:56:05.056 It came back to us like a week out and 0:56:05.416 --> 0:56:07.336 we're like, you know what, I've always wanted to do. 0:56:07.376 --> 0:56:09.096 This is the once in the lifetime thing. Let's let's 0:56:09.136 --> 0:56:11.576 just do it. Cause I always wanted to challenge myself 0:56:12.016 --> 0:56:14.336 in a different way. I just felt like not having football, 0:56:14.816 --> 0:56:17.776 you know, obviously very fortunate and grateful for my life, 0:56:17.816 --> 0:56:20.176 but just I needed something to have that kind of 0:56:20.496 --> 0:56:21.536 locker room feel. 0:56:21.776 --> 0:56:22.696 And so this was that. 0:56:22.696 --> 0:56:25.976 Opportunity to challenge myself and luckily I got just on 0:56:26.096 --> 0:56:28.976 board to do it. Who I saw so much grit 0:56:29.056 --> 0:56:31.496 that I've never seen before. It was really fun. So 0:56:31.576 --> 0:56:32.656 that was the reason why. 0:56:32.616 --> 0:56:35.056 I did Bear Girls with my wife. I did it myself. 0:56:35.856 --> 0:56:37.216 I did it by myself and bar and I went 0:56:37.256 --> 0:56:39.336 to Norway and it was a really good episode, so 0:56:39.416 --> 0:56:42.216 much Nat Joe offered me my own show from that episode. 0:56:42.456 --> 0:56:44.096 But before that show launched, they were like, hey, I 0:56:44.136 --> 0:56:45.656 want you to come back and do Bear Girls again. 0:56:45.696 --> 0:56:48.056 And I was like, man, I did it. I don't like, 0:56:48.496 --> 0:56:50.576 I don't like dying and stuff like, it wasn't my thing. 0:56:50.856 --> 0:56:54.096 I just and I said, I've already told my whole story, 0:56:54.096 --> 0:56:56.136 like there's nothing for me to do. And they said, well, 0:56:56.136 --> 0:56:59.136 bring your fiance my fiance. There was no chance I 0:56:59.176 --> 0:57:00.616 was getting around the show, like, no chance. She does 0:57:00.696 --> 0:57:02.616 not like to do things in the public, no interest. 0:57:02.656 --> 0:57:04.256 She didn't like to be on social media much less 0:57:04.256 --> 0:57:06.016 she's gotta go on a Disney plus you know, net 0:57:06.016 --> 0:57:09.216 geo show. And so we were getting on the plane 0:57:09.696 --> 0:57:12.736 from another event and I was like, hey, and I 0:57:12.736 --> 0:57:14.096 didn't want to ask, you know how you just don't 0:57:14.096 --> 0:57:16.136 even want to ask, like you have to ask. And 0:57:16.176 --> 0:57:20.016 I was like, they want And she had just been 0:57:20.016 --> 0:57:22.936 in therapy the day before, and her therapist that told her, 0:57:23.216 --> 0:57:25.416 you're experiencing all the negative things that comes from being 0:57:25.456 --> 0:57:28.216 with him, why don't you just take advantage of one 0:57:28.336 --> 0:57:30.976 positive thing. I happened to catch it on that day. 0:57:31.176 --> 0:57:34.096 Oh boom, And she said, I'll do it, And so 0:57:34.216 --> 0:57:36.696 we did it. And when you say that about your wife, 0:57:37.096 --> 0:57:41.296 when we do this episode, I saw like like determination, grit, 0:57:41.336 --> 0:57:43.296 all these things in a way that I'd never seen 0:57:43.296 --> 0:57:45.016 it before that I was kind of blown away by 0:57:45.336 --> 0:57:47.136 because we're on we're on top like three hundred foot 0:57:47.176 --> 0:57:50.856 rocks having to repel off and she's just killing it 0:57:51.496 --> 0:57:54.136 and she's scared. But the greatest part was you're supposed 0:57:54.176 --> 0:57:56.216 to be scared, but she did it anyway. So I 0:57:56.256 --> 0:57:59.536 was able to see sides of her doing that. And 0:57:59.576 --> 0:58:01.376 I obviously knew her very well, but I would have 0:58:01.416 --> 0:58:03.536 never seen that side of her had we not done that. 0:58:03.576 --> 0:58:04.776 Did you feel that way with your wife? 0:58:05.376 --> 0:58:07.576 But yeah, no, I mean we were together. 0:58:07.616 --> 0:58:10.976 We've been together, you know for almost I guess fifteen years, 0:58:11.496 --> 0:58:14.896 and she's burned for my children, and I know she's 0:58:14.896 --> 0:58:15.736 tough and you know. 0:58:15.736 --> 0:58:19.776 She's a go get her but to like be in that. 0:58:19.736 --> 0:58:22.136 Environment, like you said, and see the grit and the 0:58:22.136 --> 0:58:24.776 determination and like, you know, the barracks that we slept 0:58:24.776 --> 0:58:27.016 in were just disgusting and having to wash her clothes 0:58:27.016 --> 0:58:30.216 and the sink and just eat you know, crappy food. 0:58:31.056 --> 0:58:32.416 But her attitude to. 0:58:32.536 --> 0:58:36.296 Like not only accomplish things, but like dominate things was like, damn, 0:58:36.296 --> 0:58:36.856 who is this? 0:58:37.016 --> 0:58:37.216 You know? 0:58:37.296 --> 0:58:39.896 And it was it definitely I think bonded us and 0:58:39.936 --> 0:58:42.416 made us closer because we saw each other ways we 0:58:42.736 --> 0:58:44.736 never have. You know, this was kind of an inside 0:58:44.776 --> 0:58:47.256 look for her to see me in like a locker 0:58:47.336 --> 0:58:49.776 room setting with other other you know, there's other athletes, 0:58:49.816 --> 0:58:52.296 but just other males, and you know, there was there 0:58:52.336 --> 0:58:54.816 was a perspective to it, which was special to have 0:58:54.856 --> 0:58:56.016 that experience together. 0:58:56.216 --> 0:58:58.456 Is it more intimidating knowing that you're going on a 0:58:58.496 --> 0:59:00.896 show that which is an elimination show and a tap 0:59:00.936 --> 0:59:03.216 out show with your wife saying like, I've got to 0:59:03.256 --> 0:59:06.536 outperform her. Yeah, because god forbid, I'm one of the 0:59:06.576 --> 0:59:09.016 first people to tap out and she's like the last 0:59:09.056 --> 0:59:10.056 woman standing there. 0:59:10.296 --> 0:59:13.656 Well, yeah, I mean she kind of scept the expectations 0:59:13.696 --> 0:59:15.616 like listen, I'm here for you. I'm not you know. 0:59:15.696 --> 0:59:17.856 I think she didn't know what to expect from herself, 0:59:17.896 --> 0:59:19.536 and the idea was like I'm gonna go all the 0:59:19.536 --> 0:59:22.976 way and so yeah, that was the expectations. But yeah, 0:59:23.136 --> 0:59:24.856 knowing that your wife was there, it's like, hey, well, 0:59:24.896 --> 0:59:28.656 you got to show up, and you gotta I'm the man. 0:59:29.896 --> 0:59:30.376 Be the man. 0:59:30.976 --> 0:59:32.256 You play pickleball now a lot o. 0:59:32.376 --> 0:59:33.656 I love pickleball? Gosh. 0:59:33.696 --> 0:59:36.056 Well, and I knew he's obsessed. Well, we were walking 0:59:36.096 --> 0:59:38.136 through whenever you didn't tell him where to come, right, 0:59:38.136 --> 0:59:38.896 we were up in the front. 0:59:38.776 --> 0:59:41.856 Of problem yeah and box are barking. I'm waving. 0:59:42.936 --> 0:59:45.136 He uh was like you build a pick a wall 0:59:45.176 --> 0:59:46.416 court or it was it. I was like, yeah, we 0:59:46.416 --> 0:59:48.136 built it, and he was like, oh, just kind of 0:59:49.856 --> 0:59:52.296 in a second, looking kept walking and rob before we're 0:59:52.296 --> 0:59:53.616 about to go on. He was going to say something, 0:59:53.656 --> 0:59:54.976 but I was like, hold it because I don't know 0:59:55.016 --> 0:59:57.256 what you were going to say about pickleball. I really 0:59:57.296 --> 0:59:59.296 like to play too. I've I gotta have surgery on 0:59:59.296 --> 1:00:01.896 my ankle in a couple of weeks. So, yeah, would 1:00:01.896 --> 1:00:05.536 you a tour? I gotta it's a whole thing. My 1:00:05.576 --> 1:00:07.736 ankle has been hurting, but it's been getting worse. Who 1:00:07.776 --> 1:00:10.136 knew if an injury hurt, you shouldn't keep going. 1:00:10.256 --> 1:00:14.176 That's who knew. Let me see you fix it. Hey, 1:00:14.296 --> 1:00:14.936 stop stop. 1:00:15.056 --> 1:00:17.696 So this cartilage tear has gotten larger and larger, and 1:00:17.736 --> 1:00:18.976 so now they have to go and they have to 1:00:18.976 --> 1:00:21.416 put other cartilage, have to put dead man cartilage in. 1:00:21.536 --> 1:00:24.256 Oh really, it's a series dead. Yeah. 1:00:24.296 --> 1:00:25.616 So I haven't been able to play a lot, but 1:00:25.656 --> 1:00:28.976 I was playing grit. That's great. Hey, I played in 1:00:28.976 --> 1:00:33.256 a foot tournament singles with a torn and didn't you 1:00:33.296 --> 1:00:35.576 win it? I won a three point five. I didn't 1:00:35.616 --> 1:00:38.216 win the four because I got hurt memes. But yeah, yeah, anyway, 1:00:38.376 --> 1:00:40.616 so what's that sober? How often are you playing? 1:00:40.616 --> 1:00:40.696 Like? 1:00:40.696 --> 1:00:42.256 What you is that your competition. 1:00:42.336 --> 1:00:44.776 Now, I actually just threw my back out. Uh getting 1:00:44.776 --> 1:00:47.696 back into it now. I feel like that every other 1:00:47.696 --> 1:00:49.016 week I started my back. 1:00:49.296 --> 1:00:51.256 You should see him at the like little league games 1:00:51.256 --> 1:00:51.616 and stuff. 1:00:51.736 --> 1:00:53.416 He's literally sitting up there like this. 1:00:56.016 --> 1:00:58.856 So I'm like, dude, we got wives around here, like 1:00:59.576 --> 1:01:01.856 stop making us look bad. I'm like, you're either trying 1:01:01.896 --> 1:01:04.416 to brundle off to all the women, but like, will 1:01:04.456 --> 1:01:08.536 you stop actually these like elaborate yoga stretches and sending 1:01:08.536 --> 1:01:09.376 out for another kid? 1:01:10.856 --> 1:01:12.176 Just keeping my back. 1:01:12.416 --> 1:01:13.096 My back hurts. 1:01:13.136 --> 1:01:17.976 Savannah Bananas brought to the U sport. It's my It's 1:01:18.016 --> 1:01:21.216 my vice right now for sure. Besides my back doesn't hurt, 1:01:21.216 --> 1:01:23.336 which actually, like two and a half weeks ago, I 1:01:23.336 --> 1:01:25.216 was playing at five in the morning, but real serious 1:01:25.216 --> 1:01:27.456 about it. With the Pea coaches here at our kids 1:01:27.496 --> 1:01:31.376 school and Mark Marianni Mark March competitive competitives. 1:01:31.376 --> 1:01:34.016 I've played with them before. You played with Titans, Yeah, yeah, okay, 1:01:34.016 --> 1:01:34.696 I've played with them before. 1:01:34.776 --> 1:01:37.176 Yeah yeah, so warm enough pick a ball threw it out. 1:01:37.216 --> 1:01:41.136 But other than that, I'm playing a PPA tournament in November, 1:01:41.296 --> 1:01:42.216 so I'd excited about that. 1:01:42.256 --> 1:01:44.576 But they play singles or doubles doubles. Do you ever 1:01:44.576 --> 1:01:45.176 play singles? 1:01:45.376 --> 1:01:46.336 I do play singles. 1:01:46.456 --> 1:01:48.096 I like singles because it's actually a workout. 1:01:48.136 --> 1:01:50.416 It is a workout, I mean doubles. I'll play hour 1:01:50.416 --> 1:01:51.936 and a half. I'll burn like twelve hour calories. 1:01:52.416 --> 1:01:53.976 Maybe for you, but for an athlete like me, it 1:01:53.976 --> 1:01:56.216 ain't work, you know what I mean? Like me, and 1:01:56.736 --> 1:01:59.176 I'm just sitting back, you know, h hitting it like this? 1:01:59.496 --> 1:01:59.656 Then? 1:01:59.856 --> 1:02:00.176 How far? 1:02:00.456 --> 1:02:01.336 Why your ankles hanging on? 1:02:02.016 --> 1:02:04.496 How far do you let from the town half mile? 1:02:04.936 --> 1:02:05.776 So close? 1:02:05.896 --> 1:02:06.576 I'm real close to. 1:02:06.656 --> 1:02:08.056 I didn't know that most of you rich people live 1:02:08.096 --> 1:02:09.976 in like Franklin, so I figured you were down there 1:02:09.976 --> 1:02:13.336 with like rich boy you guys, you guys. 1:02:13.216 --> 1:02:15.296 Are going to be fast friends on the pickleball. 1:02:15.616 --> 1:02:17.696 Get that ank all right, we're gonna yeah, well there's 1:02:17.736 --> 1:02:19.096 some some opportunity. 1:02:19.136 --> 1:02:20.136 When you talk about you. 1:02:20.056 --> 1:02:21.616 Got a back, I got an ankle. It's we're even 1:02:21.656 --> 1:02:23.896 so we can play injury. We're just we have one injury. 1:02:24.136 --> 1:02:25.976 Just rush the ne You just need a leaf blower 1:02:26.016 --> 1:02:26.336 back there. 1:02:26.336 --> 1:02:29.496 That's what I got one right there. Okay, yeah, I 1:02:29.496 --> 1:02:30.816 got a whole ground ready. 1:02:31.176 --> 1:02:32.416 Bobby, I need to talk to you and Matt I 1:02:32.816 --> 1:02:33.816 told him about it. Already. 1:02:33.816 --> 1:02:36.376 But there's this concept coming to towns to pick a 1:02:36.416 --> 1:02:39.296 ball entertainment concept called crush Yard. You know everyone's doing 1:02:39.856 --> 1:02:42.016 the facilities now, but this one is. 1:02:42.016 --> 1:02:47.216 Are you pitching him? I want to gonna be off camera, 1:02:47.336 --> 1:02:48.536 but he's like, savent savement. 1:02:51.376 --> 1:02:53.976 I'll bring the deck. But it's uh, you know, top 1:02:54.056 --> 1:02:56.856 golf esque with pickleball. So they got you got the 1:02:56.856 --> 1:03:00.136 food and bev concept up front. You got golf simulators. 1:03:00.616 --> 1:03:02.656 I want to golf, but also the multi sport game 1:03:02.696 --> 1:03:04.976 with the kids, Keith and entertainble. You can play pick 1:03:04.976 --> 1:03:07.856 a ball in the back eight courts. You know, franchise 1:03:07.936 --> 1:03:11.176 concepts coming in, taking these big boxes and just kind 1:03:11.176 --> 1:03:14.496 of retrofitting this concept, which you know from cost savings 1:03:14.896 --> 1:03:15.296 is great. 1:03:15.296 --> 1:03:18.136 But I love it already in I'm in it. What 1:03:18.176 --> 1:03:21.016 are you looking for? Are you gonna invest or not? 1:03:21.176 --> 1:03:22.656 It's a minimum investment. You're looking. 1:03:22.736 --> 1:03:25.776 My heart's involved. We buy bonus, maybe shoot a couple 1:03:25.776 --> 1:03:30.816 of shows in there. You know, Matthew already told about 1:03:30.896 --> 1:03:32.976 you know, the concepts, and I can get him on board. 1:03:33.056 --> 1:03:34.176 Actually I can get him on board now. 1:03:34.336 --> 1:03:38.656 Pressures on Matt, Matt, He's got so many names, Castle 1:03:38.776 --> 1:03:42.136 Cast Matt we did this video, they were like, Hey, 1:03:42.176 --> 1:03:44.856 we're gonna come in and shoot castle, uh for like 1:03:44.896 --> 1:03:48.856 a Titans promo, like a commercial thing. And I love Matt, 1:03:48.896 --> 1:03:50.936 like seriously, the greatest guy huggs a little too much. 1:03:50.936 --> 1:03:54.256 But other than that, like the greatest guy's. 1:03:57.056 --> 1:03:58.976 Personal space, you can give you a scruff roum. 1:03:59.736 --> 1:04:02.256 I'm not tall enough. That's why he scruffed the top 1:04:02.256 --> 1:04:04.856 of my head. And so they were like, hey, and 1:04:04.896 --> 1:04:08.776 so I'm just talking about Matt just genuinely, and I'm like, 1:04:09.016 --> 1:04:12.176 I love him, here's why. And I lead with things 1:04:12.216 --> 1:04:14.896 like he obviously knows the game, like you don't play 1:04:14.936 --> 1:04:16.816 that long in the league without knowing the game at 1:04:16.896 --> 1:04:18.776 a certain level. And while we're doing the show, and 1:04:18.816 --> 1:04:20.936 then I watched the clip back and the only things 1:04:20.976 --> 1:04:23.176 they use for me saying was like, yeah, he looks 1:04:23.176 --> 1:04:26.296 like a Greek god and he's always on time. Like 1:04:26.336 --> 1:04:28.376 they didn't use anything about football, like that was the 1:04:28.416 --> 1:04:33.816 whole thing. So yes, not my editor, Yeah, how'd you 1:04:33.816 --> 1:04:34.656 feel about that promo? 1:04:35.296 --> 1:04:37.896 I thought it was very uplifting from what you said. Yeah, 1:04:38.176 --> 1:04:40.136 I mean, they definitely did not use any of the part. 1:04:39.976 --> 1:04:43.536 About do you have Greek in you? Though you know well, 1:04:43.576 --> 1:04:45.256 I mean, I. 1:04:45.216 --> 1:04:47.096 Know, I've got my wife that's Greek, and she rubs 1:04:47.136 --> 1:04:47.816 off on me a little bit. 1:04:47.856 --> 1:05:07.256 We still break. It's now time for are the Week 1:05:07.256 --> 1:05:10.976 in Preview presented by DraftKings. From first touchdown score to 1:05:11.096 --> 1:05:13.896 any time touchdown props or the thrill of live in 1:05:13.976 --> 1:05:17.656 game betting, every snap is loaded with opportunity. Okay, we're 1:05:17.656 --> 1:05:19.376 gonna go through the three biggest games in the NFL 1:05:19.416 --> 1:05:21.336 this week and make our picks. Let's go here. 1:05:21.376 --> 1:05:21.696 We go. 1:05:22.096 --> 1:05:23.616 Six teams on buye this week. 1:05:23.776 --> 1:05:25.616 That's crazy. It's a good time to be on a 1:05:25.616 --> 1:05:27.656 buye though. Why so that just because it's about that 1:05:27.776 --> 1:05:30.936 mid season where you get that break and then kind 1:05:30.976 --> 1:05:33.056 of that end of the season push. I like it, 1:05:33.216 --> 1:05:35.056 not even into the season, midway through the season. 1:05:35.096 --> 1:05:36.096 Yeah, where do you like your bye? 1:05:36.096 --> 1:05:38.376 If you got to pick a week, I've had weeks 1:05:38.856 --> 1:05:41.496 by weeks in week three, Oh, that's like lunch at night. 1:05:42.736 --> 1:05:44.176 That's such a grind for so long. 1:05:44.216 --> 1:05:46.336 And this is before they got two buys, so you're 1:05:46.416 --> 1:05:48.416 just like you're grinding for the rest of the time. 1:05:49.016 --> 1:05:51.416 But this is a good part of the season to 1:05:51.496 --> 1:05:55.096 about week seven, week eight, where if you're about mid midway. 1:05:55.176 --> 1:05:58.496 It's just a nice relief from season and you can 1:05:58.576 --> 1:05:59.496 kind of get a little healthy. 1:05:59.616 --> 1:06:02.136 Let's go Vikings at Chargers on Thursday night. I do 1:06:02.296 --> 1:06:03.896 like the game for a Thursday night game. Although there 1:06:03.936 --> 1:06:07.096 have been really good Thursday games this year, which hasn't 1:06:07.096 --> 1:06:09.536 always been the case, so there's been solid one after 1:06:09.576 --> 1:06:13.256 the other. The weird thing about the Vikings is is 1:06:13.376 --> 1:06:14.776 has there been a soft benching? 1:06:15.896 --> 1:06:17.656 I see, That's what I keep asking myself. 1:06:17.696 --> 1:06:20.256 I was like JJ mccarthy' spraining his ankle in week two, 1:06:20.416 --> 1:06:22.416 we're now in week seven. I don't know a lot 1:06:22.456 --> 1:06:24.296 of I don't know how severe it is, and I'm 1:06:24.336 --> 1:06:27.056 not trying to come up with a conspiracy theory or 1:06:27.056 --> 1:06:30.096 anything like that, but I think they allowed wins to 1:06:30.136 --> 1:06:30.496 keep going. 1:06:30.576 --> 1:06:31.576 He got the win in London. 1:06:31.616 --> 1:06:33.656 He's coming back and he's been up and down, but 1:06:33.776 --> 1:06:36.936 he's actually playing pretty well. And I think that they're 1:06:36.976 --> 1:06:40.776 waiting to see if he takes the reins and not 1:06:40.776 --> 1:06:43.456 not just jumping out and saying, hey, JJ's starting as 1:06:43.496 --> 1:06:46.136 soon as he's healthy, because I believe he's probably healthy 1:06:46.176 --> 1:06:48.976 because he was suited as a three third quarterback this week. 1:06:49.216 --> 1:06:52.056 It's just a very interesting dynamic in how this whole 1:06:52.056 --> 1:06:55.776 thing unfolds. Vikings and Chargers. Uh, Chargers not not a 1:06:55.816 --> 1:06:59.096 great not a great last week. No, but those Colts Man, 1:06:59.136 --> 1:07:02.136 they were rolling. I mean they're rolling and probably one 1:07:02.176 --> 1:07:04.016 of the best teams in football right now. 1:07:04.096 --> 1:07:04.176 Now. 1:07:04.216 --> 1:07:05.776 I think their schedule gets a little bit harder. But 1:07:06.536 --> 1:07:09.776 the Vikings on the road against the Chargers. Chargers have 1:07:09.896 --> 1:07:12.216 shown some weaknesses there, especially on the defensive side of 1:07:12.216 --> 1:07:13.216 the ball. I thought that was going to be a 1:07:13.216 --> 1:07:16.096 strong suit, but they've you know, haven't played as well recently. 1:07:16.296 --> 1:07:17.336 So I'm going with the Vikings. 1:07:17.416 --> 1:07:21.296 Wow, I'm gonna go with the Chargers just because I 1:07:21.336 --> 1:07:23.176 think I can't. I don't want to say this. It 1:07:23.216 --> 1:07:24.776 offend you, So I don't want to anyth about the coaching. 1:07:24.776 --> 1:07:28.456 They better coaching and the Chargers that'll be offensive to you. 1:07:28.536 --> 1:07:31.816 To your boy, Kevin, you heard him, did he? I 1:07:31.936 --> 1:07:32.576 got your back? 1:07:32.616 --> 1:07:37.216 Dogging. I think for Jim Hardwall to lose to in 1:07:37.216 --> 1:07:41.096 a row that's probably rarer than even I think it is. 1:07:41.376 --> 1:07:43.216 I think the Chargers come back ready to go. I'm 1:07:43.216 --> 1:07:45.536 taking the Chargers next to Cowboys at Broncos. 1:07:45.856 --> 1:07:47.416 Oh. I think this is going to be a good game. 1:07:47.896 --> 1:07:51.536 I mean the way the Cowboys came out and offensively, defensively, 1:07:51.616 --> 1:07:54.136 but I put their better put together their best, best 1:07:54.136 --> 1:07:56.616 full game. I love the way the offense is playing, 1:07:57.016 --> 1:07:59.856 but they are going up against the Broncos, whose defense 1:07:59.936 --> 1:08:01.576 is probably one of the best in the league. Even 1:08:01.616 --> 1:08:03.696 though Giants went out there and put up a bunch 1:08:03.696 --> 1:08:06.576 of points on him. 1:08:06.696 --> 1:08:09.536 Oh, this is tough. I'm going with the Cowboys. I'm 1:08:09.536 --> 1:08:11.176 gonna go with the Cowboys and get the three and 1:08:11.176 --> 1:08:13.176 a half points as well. But I think I would 1:08:13.176 --> 1:08:15.456 take the Cowboys straight up just because they're just fun 1:08:15.496 --> 1:08:16.856 to watch. I don't like the root against teams that 1:08:16.896 --> 1:08:18.376 are so fun to watch and see. 1:08:18.496 --> 1:08:22.936 Lamb look good, George Pickens awesome, the run games got going. 1:08:23.296 --> 1:08:25.696 If the defense holds up in any capacity, you know 1:08:25.736 --> 1:08:26.856 that they're going to score points. 1:08:27.296 --> 1:08:29.896 Packers minus three at the Steelers. 1:08:31.296 --> 1:08:33.456 Oh, Packers minus three at the Steelers. 1:08:34.776 --> 1:08:37.536 I'm gonna go with Packers. I'm gonna give up points 1:08:37.616 --> 1:08:39.055 Packers over Steelers in Pittsburgh. 1:08:39.136 --> 1:08:41.576 Yes, I agree with you. I will go with the Packers. 1:08:41.616 --> 1:08:43.536 I just think that they're a better overall team that 1:08:43.896 --> 1:08:47.256 Parsons went off. Oh we had three se Yeah, that's 1:08:47.296 --> 1:08:49.416 what you want to see. Yeah, he was awesome. 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So my ten year old boy loves 1:09:51.896 --> 1:09:54.496 football and so he kind of has me in it. 1:09:54.536 --> 1:09:57.736 I mean, he knows every player's name, which is unlivable. 1:09:57.856 --> 1:09:59.696 But it's been fun to kind of wash the game 1:09:59.736 --> 1:10:02.376 through his eyes because it's innocent. Again, you know, it's 1:10:02.416 --> 1:10:05.256 just like the love of the game, like sometimes where 1:10:05.456 --> 1:10:08.056 off as you get older. So we got football on 1:10:08.216 --> 1:10:12.016 all day Saturday, all day Sunday, and you know we watch. 1:10:12.216 --> 1:10:14.896 You know, there's no team we really root for, but 1:10:14.936 --> 1:10:16.175 you you don't root for the Titans. 1:10:16.856 --> 1:10:19.176 I don't think that's possible. Hard right now? 1:10:20.256 --> 1:10:20.816 Did they play? 1:10:20.896 --> 1:10:25.016 Do they have points? They haven't? 1:10:23.256 --> 1:10:27.856 The point it's been it's tough. 1:10:27.896 --> 1:10:31.136 How was this weekend for your USC Notre Dame heartbreaking? 1:10:31.576 --> 1:10:33.055 No, it was an incredible environment. 1:10:33.136 --> 1:10:36.776 Obviously, it's a rivalry that is a historical rivalry, and 1:10:37.656 --> 1:10:40.336 you know, when I was there, you kind of got 1:10:40.376 --> 1:10:42.896 a feel for it. Every single time you played Notre Dame. 1:10:43.456 --> 1:10:46.215 Pete Carroll did a tremendous job of teaching you about 1:10:46.576 --> 1:10:48.896 the history of the game, and have guys like Marcus 1:10:48.936 --> 1:10:51.856 Allen and this guy Marv Goo who is a legendary 1:10:51.896 --> 1:10:54.536 defensive coach. All these different players would come in and 1:10:54.576 --> 1:10:56.656 speak to us that during that week, So it was 1:10:56.696 --> 1:10:57.216 a big deal. 1:10:57.496 --> 1:10:59.576 And then to get back there and USC. 1:10:59.376 --> 1:11:02.095 Being five and one, thinking they've got a chance, go down, 1:11:02.176 --> 1:11:04.896 have a few good series and then Notre Dame just 1:11:05.416 --> 1:11:08.096 beat us up physically up front and ran through our 1:11:08.136 --> 1:11:10.816 face and it was still close in the we took 1:11:10.816 --> 1:11:12.856 the lead in the third quarter, and then we give 1:11:12.936 --> 1:11:15.056 up the kickoff return and at that point it was 1:11:15.096 --> 1:11:15.496 all over. 1:11:15.816 --> 1:11:18.336 I was gonna ask do you feel because obviously you're 1:11:18.336 --> 1:11:21.096 more involved in the game that and I all has 1:11:21.216 --> 1:11:24.856 changed like the university passion or the you know, like 1:11:25.176 --> 1:11:26.055 campus passion. 1:11:26.256 --> 1:11:28.656 You know, it's very interesting because we were talking to 1:11:28.656 --> 1:11:31.256 some of the even the Notre Dame players, and particularly CJ. Carr, 1:11:31.296 --> 1:11:34.696 their quarterback, and one of the legendary plays in the 1:11:34.736 --> 1:11:36.776 series was the tush push or whatever you want to 1:11:36.816 --> 1:11:38.696 call it. Right in that two thousand and five game 1:11:38.696 --> 1:11:40.856 when both of those teams are undefeated, Brady Quinn Matt 1:11:40.896 --> 1:11:43.416 Lioner going back and forth. He had no idea what 1:11:43.416 --> 1:11:45.896 we were referencing, and I was like, wow, like you 1:11:46.016 --> 1:11:48.256 think you'd think that there was maybe, But he was 1:11:48.296 --> 1:11:50.096 a young kid. So I'm not putting it past them. 1:11:50.296 --> 1:11:53.376 I mean, I'm not saying that he's being disrespectful by 1:11:53.376 --> 1:11:56.456 any means, but I think some of the NIL space 1:11:56.576 --> 1:12:00.416 Now you come there for a paycheck, and you're going 1:12:00.456 --> 1:12:02.656 there without the same pride that you used to go 1:12:02.736 --> 1:12:05.216 to a university because you're picking it you because that's 1:12:05.216 --> 1:12:07.616 your destination for four to five years, knowing that you're 1:12:07.616 --> 1:12:09.936 probably never going to leave that place, and so there's 1:12:09.976 --> 1:12:11.936 a pride that comes along with that. Now I feel 1:12:12.016 --> 1:12:14.296 like some of these players, and I'm not speaking about 1:12:14.376 --> 1:12:16.376 Notre Dame us he or whatever, but some of it 1:12:16.416 --> 1:12:19.856 is more transactional than it is about the university itself. 1:12:20.016 --> 1:12:21.776 I was with I don't want to say who it is, 1:12:21.816 --> 1:12:23.976 but I was with a power fore head coach this weekend. 1:12:24.256 --> 1:12:27.416 One of my friends doesn't live here. But I tell 1:12:27.456 --> 1:12:31.976 you off because I think for I think for the fans, 1:12:32.016 --> 1:12:36.096 obviously it hasn't changed, like we still we understand they're 1:12:36.096 --> 1:12:38.416 more mercenary type than they used to be. They may 1:12:38.416 --> 1:12:41.936 be there for a year hopefully longer. But I was 1:12:42.056 --> 1:12:46.096 with this coach and it's just even for them, it's 1:12:46.176 --> 1:12:48.696 just always asking for money, Like that's so much a 1:12:48.696 --> 1:12:52.576 part of the job now that it's still they're still coaching, 1:12:52.616 --> 1:12:54.776 but a lot of their twenty four hours in a day, 1:12:55.176 --> 1:12:57.216 there are so many hours that have to be dedicated 1:12:57.536 --> 1:13:01.336 to just glad handing asking for money that even four 1:13:01.376 --> 1:13:03.376 to five years ago that wasn't the case. So it's 1:13:03.416 --> 1:13:05.736 changed for everybody across the board. And they try to 1:13:05.816 --> 1:13:07.736 hire general managers to take a little bit of that 1:13:07.776 --> 1:13:10.256 load off. But if you're a donor, and I'm a donor, 1:13:10.296 --> 1:13:14.416 like I'm a big donor, fair but donor at Arkansas, 1:13:14.616 --> 1:13:20.456 big donor, big better if a medium donor sometimes too big, 1:13:20.456 --> 1:13:25.255 a better but loser but loser. If you're a donor 1:13:25.736 --> 1:13:27.856 and the general manager is calling, going hey, I want 1:13:27.896 --> 1:13:29.215 to spend time with you, but you have a substantial 1:13:29.216 --> 1:13:30.776 amount of money, you don't want to talk to the 1:13:30.816 --> 1:13:33.736 general manager. You want to talk to the coach because 1:13:34.016 --> 1:13:36.656 that's who you're giving the money to. So the NIL 1:13:36.696 --> 1:13:40.176 thing has been weird, not just for players, and I 1:13:40.176 --> 1:13:42.016 think everybody shouldt pay. By the way, I'm a pay 1:13:42.096 --> 1:13:45.976 peeper guy. Yes, but it's almost like where baseball is. 1:13:46.296 --> 1:13:48.896 And now they may end up a labor strike, not 1:13:48.976 --> 1:13:51.056 next year, but the year after because the owners want 1:13:51.056 --> 1:13:52.896 a salary cap. The players are like, no way, we're 1:13:52.896 --> 1:13:55.576 having a salary cap. If they don't have some sort 1:13:55.576 --> 1:13:58.936 of structure on, it's weird to call it a cap. 1:13:59.016 --> 1:14:02.736 But if these third string offensive tackles are going into 1:14:02.736 --> 1:14:05.696 the portal now and just because the market on them, 1:14:05.816 --> 1:14:08.536 they're getting paid seven hundred thousand dollars and they're not 1:14:08.576 --> 1:14:11.576 even really playing. But that's the market to get a player, 1:14:11.856 --> 1:14:13.536 and how are they getting the money. It's not all 1:14:13.536 --> 1:14:16.136 revenue sharing because revenue sharing just equaled it out. So 1:14:16.536 --> 1:14:18.536 all the teams were like, wait till revenue sharing, then 1:14:18.576 --> 1:14:20.976 we'll have money. But if everybody's revenue sharing is exactly 1:14:21.016 --> 1:14:23.296 the same, well you still have to get more money 1:14:23.336 --> 1:14:25.776 than your other person. So that's the coach spending hours 1:14:25.816 --> 1:14:28.095 of every day on the phone. It's a weird environment 1:14:28.136 --> 1:14:28.736 now colleges. 1:14:29.496 --> 1:14:31.256 I can imagine being a coach because, like you said, 1:14:31.256 --> 1:14:34.016 you're recruiting your old guys constantly, and you know it 1:14:34.176 --> 1:14:36.936 just as an athlete, and kind of I fear the 1:14:37.016 --> 1:14:39.736 character building of these young guys is like, yes, you 1:14:40.016 --> 1:14:41.816 should get paid. I mean it's it's a lot of 1:14:41.856 --> 1:14:44.136 work and you sacrifice your body and they make a 1:14:44.176 --> 1:14:46.135 lot of money off you. But at the same point, 1:14:46.856 --> 1:14:49.135 to just be able to transfer and go play somewhere 1:14:49.176 --> 1:14:51.616 else because you lost your job or it's getting too 1:14:51.656 --> 1:14:55.536 hard you don't it's like, okay, well build some resilience, 1:14:55.576 --> 1:14:58.216 Like life's not like that right back, you know, like, hey, 1:14:58.496 --> 1:15:00.776 give it a shot, because that's that's where I think, 1:15:00.816 --> 1:15:03.576 you know, I fear with kids coming up and my 1:15:03.656 --> 1:15:06.016 kids coming up as that you know, what does that 1:15:06.696 --> 1:15:09.576 college environment look like. If they're gonna be athletes, I 1:15:09.616 --> 1:15:11.496 want them to be tough. I want them to be respectful. 1:15:11.536 --> 1:15:14.496 I want them to, you know, be passionate about you know, 1:15:14.736 --> 1:15:17.576 where you go, who you play for, and the name 1:15:17.616 --> 1:15:19.256 on your back. But at the same point, don't just 1:15:19.376 --> 1:15:22.216 like go the easier route and just leave because it's 1:15:22.216 --> 1:15:24.736 too tough or he's not fair, he's picking someone else. 1:15:24.776 --> 1:15:27.176 Care Well, everyone has a chance to earn a spot. 1:15:27.376 --> 1:15:31.416 What it's going to take is actual legislation, because right 1:15:31.456 --> 1:15:33.215 now you needed to get as bad as it possibly 1:15:33.216 --> 1:15:35.136 can because nobody stepping in to fix it. Until it 1:15:35.176 --> 1:15:37.176 has to be fixed. There was the obandon case and 1:15:37.216 --> 1:15:40.296 went to the Supreme Court. Video game Charles O'Bannon played 1:15:40.336 --> 1:15:43.456 at UCLA. His likeness was used, so they sued. Now 1:15:43.456 --> 1:15:45.536 players can get paid, right, that's the entire that's the 1:15:45.576 --> 1:15:48.976 genesis of players getting paid now. And so if the 1:15:49.056 --> 1:15:52.416 NCAA is sued, they basically lose every lawsuit now, right, 1:15:52.696 --> 1:15:55.776 they just lined up labor laws, right, Yep, they're gonna lose. 1:15:56.016 --> 1:15:57.376 So there's going to have. 1:15:57.416 --> 1:15:58.456 To be California. 1:15:58.536 --> 1:16:00.936 Yeah, Yeah, there's gonna have to be. It's gonna have 1:16:00.976 --> 1:16:02.856 to get so bad that it's gonna have to go 1:16:02.856 --> 1:16:06.016 to lawmakers. And lawmakers only want to do things that 1:16:06.096 --> 1:16:08.816 make them look like heroes for the constituents. The days 1:16:08.856 --> 1:16:11.656 of ballmakers actually wanted to make a difference, not really 1:16:11.656 --> 1:16:13.776 so much. It's just get re elected. So that's going 1:16:13.856 --> 1:16:16.135 to have to happen to or they want to actually 1:16:16.176 --> 1:16:18.736 make a difference and be seen. Your union's going to 1:16:18.816 --> 1:16:19.296 have to be had. 1:16:19.496 --> 1:16:22.095 That's the most difficult part about this, yeap, Like who's 1:16:22.176 --> 1:16:24.376 going to organize a player's union when it's such a small, 1:16:24.416 --> 1:16:26.856 finite period of time for each of these players, And 1:16:27.376 --> 1:16:30.056 unlike the NFL where you got thirty two teams, you've 1:16:30.056 --> 1:16:32.136 got one hundred and thirty two teams. Then you have 1:16:32.176 --> 1:16:34.016 to have buy in by the players to say, in 1:16:34.096 --> 1:16:36.416 order to make a players union, each of you have 1:16:36.456 --> 1:16:39.296 to give a certain amount of money into the pot 1:16:39.616 --> 1:16:40.856 each year that you're in school. 1:16:40.896 --> 1:16:43.416 But then that rolls over every four years. 1:16:43.416 --> 1:16:45.376 What does the leadership look like. Who's going to be 1:16:45.376 --> 1:16:48.416 the head of a player's union for college? Which means 1:16:48.456 --> 1:16:49.816 you're going to have to go out and get some 1:16:50.456 --> 1:16:53.936 high paying lawyer and be able to unionize and also 1:16:55.056 --> 1:16:58.816 organize enough to where the leadership at the top doesn't 1:16:58.936 --> 1:17:03.656 change so quickly that you can actually do something and 1:17:03.816 --> 1:17:06.856 make make a different difference in what's going on. 1:17:06.936 --> 1:17:09.216 I mean, I think in the end, the reality of 1:17:09.256 --> 1:17:13.736 it is you can transfer. Once you transfer again, it's 1:17:13.736 --> 1:17:15.816 a year. It's old school like because back in the day, 1:17:15.816 --> 1:17:18.496 if you transferred unless you went down, yeah, you got 1:17:18.536 --> 1:17:21.456 to sit a year. And I think there's going to 1:17:21.536 --> 1:17:23.776 have to eventually be some sort of cat because you're 1:17:23.816 --> 1:17:25.976 going to and it's happening now where your players are 1:17:25.976 --> 1:17:28.696 making more than NFL players are their first couple of years. 1:17:29.016 --> 1:17:32.296 You know, Yeah, it's it's wild but it has to 1:17:32.336 --> 1:17:34.496 get crazier before it gets fixed. And that's a weird 1:17:34.496 --> 1:17:36.456 thing to say, because nobody's going to be motivated to 1:17:36.456 --> 1:17:38.656 fix anything that isn't wildly broken because there are seven 1:17:38.736 --> 1:17:40.536 hundred other things they've got to do. But yeah, it 1:17:40.576 --> 1:17:43.616 sucks and it's awesome as players, and as I just talked, 1:17:43.936 --> 1:17:45.376 I just talked about this as the coaches. Why it's 1:17:45.416 --> 1:17:47.056 so fresh on my mind. It's also why I'm not 1:17:47.056 --> 1:17:49.776 going to be a D one coach, cause you guys wondering, definitely, 1:17:49.936 --> 1:17:52.896 definitely right. I don't want to be one either. Who's 1:17:52.976 --> 1:17:54.816 us Who's the best team in the NFL this year? 1:17:57.016 --> 1:18:01.176 Great question? Detrotly good yesterday. 1:18:02.896 --> 1:18:05.896 And it gets a good Tampa team, but Tampa's missing 1:18:05.976 --> 1:18:09.016 so many weapons and they get one of the biggest 1:18:09.016 --> 1:18:10.256 ones back and he goes out with the shoulder and 1:18:10.296 --> 1:18:11.336 a concussions. 1:18:11.736 --> 1:18:11.896 Yeah. 1:18:12.096 --> 1:18:14.256 That's the hard part is that I didn't see that. Yeah, 1:18:16.296 --> 1:18:17.856 so he came back like a cup coffee and he's 1:18:17.856 --> 1:18:18.216 out again. 1:18:18.296 --> 1:18:21.696 Yeah, one one post route basically, and he's been like 1:18:21.736 --> 1:18:24.896 the Iron Man too. Focus Godwin's out. I mean, you've 1:18:25.176 --> 1:18:27.536 a mecha. Buka came back. He had zero catches. I mean, 1:18:27.656 --> 1:18:31.135 so they're very very thin at the wide receiver position. 1:18:31.736 --> 1:18:33.416 Hey, hey, hey, how you feeling. 1:18:33.496 --> 1:18:37.016 He said it back's a little soort t gm out there. 1:18:37.016 --> 1:18:39.336 He didn't say that we can add that out. 1:18:39.416 --> 1:18:40.176 We believed that out. 1:18:40.336 --> 1:18:41.816 We got about five players. Yeah. 1:18:42.056 --> 1:18:44.896 You know what's crazy about just sports, but football, especially 1:18:44.936 --> 1:18:46.976 as I mean you say, who's the best team? Well, 1:18:47.216 --> 1:18:49.816 whoever is healthy? To be honest, I mean especially that level. 1:18:50.256 --> 1:18:53.416 You got guys, two skilled guys got When that one's out, 1:18:53.456 --> 1:18:55.936 I mean that that changed the dynamic of what mayfield 1:18:55.936 --> 1:18:57.416 can do and what that offense can do. 1:18:57.456 --> 1:19:00.536 And so I just think it's ever. 1:19:00.456 --> 1:19:04.016 Changing, you know, in the league, and it's it's whoever's 1:19:04.096 --> 1:19:05.536 kind of the healthiest at the end. Look at like 1:19:05.576 --> 1:19:08.696 Buffalo's kind of behind a little bit. We thought bigger thing. 1:19:08.816 --> 1:19:11.416 Same thing with Kansas City, But you know. 1:19:11.456 --> 1:19:15.016 The Chiefs are coming back if they stay healthy towards 1:19:15.016 --> 1:19:15.456 the end of the year. 1:19:15.496 --> 1:19:17.496 Those are teams that have like the experience that are 1:19:17.536 --> 1:19:19.496 going to be successful and be in the big game. 1:19:19.576 --> 1:19:22.736 So it's hard not to go against teams like that. 1:19:22.936 --> 1:19:24.576 Let me ask you about the mindset of somebody like 1:19:24.576 --> 1:19:28.016 a Travis Kelce who is in his thirties, mid thirties. 1:19:28.616 --> 1:19:31.216 Obviously he's slow to half step. That's why he's not 1:19:31.416 --> 1:19:33.416 in as much. And you can see him being frustrated 1:19:33.456 --> 1:19:36.856 when he comes out at times too. As you get older, 1:19:37.576 --> 1:19:39.536 is it a realization of this is why I'm leaving 1:19:39.616 --> 1:19:41.096 or is it now I can still do it? Why 1:19:41.096 --> 1:19:42.456 am I getting taken out of the game. 1:19:42.976 --> 1:19:45.256 Yeah, I mean I think it's it's an ego thing. 1:19:45.256 --> 1:19:47.936 We all got egos, And I mean I was in 1:19:47.976 --> 1:19:51.136 my lower thirties, but like as I was going through 1:19:51.136 --> 1:19:55.256 the process after I got cut from New York, I 1:19:55.336 --> 1:19:57.296 was talking a couple of teams and like, we'll use 1:19:57.336 --> 1:19:59.016 you in like a third down package, or we'll use 1:19:59.016 --> 1:19:59.896 in a red zone package. 1:20:00.016 --> 1:20:02.936 Like I can still play. I'm on every down player. 1:20:02.936 --> 1:20:06.016 I want to play, And like you got yourself and 1:20:06.096 --> 1:20:09.576 check your ego and be like, hey, well, it's obviously 1:20:09.576 --> 1:20:11.816 feedback for a reason, like you're losing a step or 1:20:11.856 --> 1:20:12.536 you're slowing down. 1:20:12.616 --> 1:20:13.656 Your game's not the same. 1:20:13.776 --> 1:20:16.496 So I think it's challenging because mentally you feel like 1:20:16.536 --> 1:20:19.536 you're still that guy, but physically you know your performance isn't. 1:20:19.736 --> 1:20:19.936 Yeah. 1:20:19.976 --> 1:20:22.496 And also Travis Kelsey, he's been a featured guy throughout 1:20:22.496 --> 1:20:25.336 his entire career. He's ultra competitive, even going back to 1:20:25.416 --> 1:20:28.095 last year. He's a featured guy. So if the minute 1:20:28.096 --> 1:20:30.296 you start to buy in to everybody saying, oh, well 1:20:30.296 --> 1:20:32.176 he's lost the step, he's not that will you lose 1:20:32.176 --> 1:20:34.936 your superpower because that confidence is why he is who 1:20:34.976 --> 1:20:37.135 he is. And while he might have lost a step, 1:20:37.256 --> 1:20:39.656 he's still better than ninety five percent of the guys 1:20:39.656 --> 1:20:41.656 out there, and when they get when he gets taken 1:20:41.656 --> 1:20:44.135 out of the game, that's just his personality. That's what's 1:20:44.136 --> 1:20:47.016 made him so good is because of that drive, because 1:20:47.056 --> 1:20:49.736 that's tenacious attitude that he's like, dude, I can still 1:20:49.736 --> 1:20:51.416 get this done. I'll beat this guy all day long. 1:20:51.696 --> 1:20:53.856 So that's where that comes from. And I think that's 1:20:53.896 --> 1:20:56.296 why he's been so good and so elite for so long. 1:20:56.696 --> 1:20:58.416 Pick a quarterback in the league, Now you'd like to 1:20:58.416 --> 1:21:04.296 play with I'm not in the league anymore, cast off 1:21:04.296 --> 1:21:05.256 the list in case you wanted to. 1:21:05.736 --> 1:21:07.856 That was the lu Yeah, he's cut me off. 1:21:08.016 --> 1:21:09.816 Who now do you see? And you're like, man, I'd 1:21:09.816 --> 1:21:11.696 love to play with that guy. For whatever reason. 1:21:12.896 --> 1:21:14.856 I love Dart I think I love to play with Dars. 1:21:14.976 --> 1:21:17.576 Love that swagger. I love a quarterback of a little swager. 1:21:17.576 --> 1:21:19.376 He can throw it too, but he's just a he's 1:21:19.376 --> 1:21:20.056 a competitor. 1:21:20.656 --> 1:21:22.496 You want to play with a rookie quarterback right now, 1:21:24.256 --> 1:21:26.456 A veteran dude that's gonna like see the game a 1:21:26.496 --> 1:21:27.095 little different. 1:21:27.216 --> 1:21:28.416 He runs more than he throws. 1:21:28.456 --> 1:21:31.016 No, I'm just kidding, you're right, but you know what 1:21:31.056 --> 1:21:33.456 I'm looking at from just like, who's gonna give me 1:21:33.456 --> 1:21:36.416 that energy? Like watch like I got excited to wash him. 1:21:36.416 --> 1:21:38.696 For forever reason, I don't turn on the Kansas City 1:21:38.696 --> 1:21:41.696 games like I used to, Like I'm excited to see 1:21:41.936 --> 1:21:44.536 the Giants play, but I think it's because he's polarizing. 1:21:44.576 --> 1:21:47.696 I mean, he's got this this energy, this this aura 1:21:47.736 --> 1:21:51.336 about him that like the dude's gonna put his body 1:21:51.376 --> 1:21:53.616 out there, but he's gonna compete, And like that's all 1:21:53.656 --> 1:21:56.416 you want as a as a as a you know, 1:21:56.616 --> 1:21:58.416 locker room buddy, as someone that's gonna compete. 1:21:58.736 --> 1:22:00.296 Take a wide receiver you'd like to play with now 1:22:00.296 --> 1:22:03.656 that you watch wide receiver, I mean Justin Jefferson's pretty good. 1:22:03.696 --> 1:22:07.936 Jamar Chase is pretty good. Uh, Seattle Seahawks last night? 1:22:08.016 --> 1:22:09.896 What's his name? Jack and Smith and jigbaby. 1:22:10.696 --> 1:22:13.176 He might be emerging as one of the top, if 1:22:13.216 --> 1:22:15.896 not the top wide receiver. Now I just name got 1:22:15.896 --> 1:22:18.496 a quarterback to the ball. But how good is that guy? 1:22:18.616 --> 1:22:20.856 I mean the separation that he creates, the different types 1:22:20.856 --> 1:22:23.576 of route running, and his hands are automatic. I think 1:22:23.936 --> 1:22:26.256 this kid is special. So watch it in from a 1:22:26.296 --> 1:22:29.336 youth standpoint. I watched him last night and I'm going, man, 1:22:29.456 --> 1:22:31.656 he just keeps getting better and better. I think it's 1:22:31.656 --> 1:22:33.896 three straight games with over one hundred yards or one 1:22:33.936 --> 1:22:36.776 hundred and fifteen yards. He's been incredible. So those are 1:22:37.096 --> 1:22:38.896 kids like that. I are in young guys like that 1:22:39.416 --> 1:22:41.656 who continue to get better. That's exciting. 1:22:41.856 --> 1:22:44.776 What sucks? And listen so everybody knows. I'm look at 1:22:44.816 --> 1:22:47.416 the camera on this. We are the NFL is our boss. 1:22:47.416 --> 1:22:49.456 We work for the NFL. I'm gonna say this. We 1:22:49.496 --> 1:22:52.576 are literally paid by the NFL. You gotta stop at 1:22:52.656 --> 1:22:57.856 nine o'clock Central games. I get it more football all 1:22:57.856 --> 1:23:00.616 the time. I'm even okay with like the European games. 1:23:00.736 --> 1:23:02.496 You wake up, You're like, oh, I forgot there's a game. 1:23:03.056 --> 1:23:05.896 I couldn't watch any of it, so I'm looking at NFL. 1:23:07.136 --> 1:23:08.496 He says, that was all due respectful. 1:23:08.776 --> 1:23:10.336 Yeah, the most respectful way possible. 1:23:10.416 --> 1:23:12.776 What all the ratings though, what all the ratings can fantastic? 1:23:12.816 --> 1:23:16.496 Probably have no idea. I can't imagine the imagine East Coast. 1:23:16.576 --> 1:23:21.496 It starts at ten. Yeah, on a school night, crazy 1:23:21.616 --> 1:23:24.616 on a school night. Okay, final question, and you don't 1:23:24.616 --> 1:23:26.296 have to answer it. You can play the fifth of 1:23:26.336 --> 1:23:27.776 your cast. Who is the most annoying? 1:23:28.936 --> 1:23:32.696 Yes, this is such a good question, just because personalities 1:23:32.696 --> 1:23:33.055 are different. 1:23:33.136 --> 1:23:37.296 Yeah, for sure, you know what, like, I'm not trying 1:23:37.296 --> 1:23:40.095 to just play this guy, but I'm a pretty patient 1:23:40.256 --> 1:23:43.576 patient man. I didn't have anyone that bothered me annoyed me. 1:23:44.616 --> 1:23:46.696 I think it was a really good cast. As you 1:23:46.696 --> 1:23:50.696 can see the way they paint some people like Cody 1:23:50.736 --> 1:23:52.456 Brown or Jesse. 1:23:52.616 --> 1:23:54.256 He's gone now how they painted them. 1:23:54.896 --> 1:23:58.056 You know, they are polarizing in their own right for 1:23:58.096 --> 1:24:00.816 what they've kind of been through I guess or who 1:24:00.816 --> 1:24:06.696 they are. But we all built individual less ships within 1:24:06.896 --> 1:24:10.696 you know, that experience. And we had our comedians, you know, 1:24:10.816 --> 1:24:14.616 Revy and Nick were hilarious. We had like our athletes 1:24:14.656 --> 1:24:16.456 that were quiet just like I'm gonna do everything, like 1:24:16.576 --> 1:24:19.256 Randall and Sean, and then you had you know, some 1:24:19.256 --> 1:24:21.536 pop culture people that were just kind of a good 1:24:21.576 --> 1:24:24.096 mix as well. So I truthfully don't have anyone that 1:24:24.256 --> 1:24:28.936 was annoyed by There were obviously people that had conflict. 1:24:29.496 --> 1:24:32.175 I did not have that. Who would you not invite 1:24:32.176 --> 1:24:32.936 to your house for dinner? 1:24:33.056 --> 1:24:38.256 Good one? Who would I not invite? You're so right 1:24:38.296 --> 1:24:41.376 down the middle. Well, he is a nice guy all 1:24:41.416 --> 1:24:44.056 the time, which sucks because I sit in front of them. 1:24:44.456 --> 1:24:46.376 I wouldn't believe him except I've seen him be nice 1:24:46.376 --> 1:24:51.416 away from a microphone. I know, yeah, I know it sucks. 1:24:52.576 --> 1:24:56.016 Would not invite a man? Don't say me because I 1:24:56.016 --> 1:24:59.096 wasn't on the show. You should do the show. Can 1:24:59.136 --> 1:25:03.736 we get Matt cast signed up Fox? Let's go. Honestly, 1:25:03.736 --> 1:25:04.936 I would invite everyone, all. 1:25:04.896 --> 1:25:08.656 Right, he you guys are good. People need more. 1:25:08.536 --> 1:25:10.176 Love this world, damn it and more love. 1:25:10.816 --> 1:25:13.456 Thank you guys, Matt Castle, Eric, thanks coming by man. 1:25:13.456 --> 1:25:16.376 It's been awesome. Yeah yeah, kick off, Kevin Brandon Ray 1:25:16.376 --> 1:25:18.055 and Bobby Bones. We've had lots to say, Well see 1:25:18.056 --> 1:25:20.176 you guys. Next to the last time I've invited over, 1:25:20.336 --> 1:25:22.896 this is the last time he's invited over Tomorrow morning. 1:25:28.536 --> 1:25:30.736 Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is 1:25:30.776 --> 1:25:34.336 a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts. For more 1:25:34.376 --> 1:25:38.376 podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 1:25:38.416 --> 1:25:39.656 wherever you get your podcasts.