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Speaker 1: Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

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Speaker 1: a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: We got lots to say, we got.

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Speaker 3: Lots to save.

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Speaker 2: What the Becker here and we hope you stay because

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Speaker 2: we got lost to say, Yeah we got lost.

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Speaker 3: Just say here's.

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Speaker 1: Bobby Hey, welcome back, Mattcastle, Bobby Bones and Eric Decker.

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Speaker 1: Eric good to say, Buddy, Yeah, you're the first athlete

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Speaker 1: I think that I've known ahead of you getting here.

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Speaker 1: Using Matt just shows up with somebody, that's the truth.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, uh me and my friend

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Speaker 1: Randall cob Hey, Randall all right, Yeah, I thought he

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Speaker 1: was you at my front door, and there's some resemblance. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: you just kind of suck it following through to tell

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Speaker 1: people where to go. I think, well, I told him

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Speaker 1: the address.

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Speaker 2: I figured he would text me when I said, didn't

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Speaker 2: I say, text me when you get here?

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Speaker 3: Didn't I say, Well, that's my I was in the

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Speaker 3: middle of texting. He's usually late to things.

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Speaker 2: I just know this from him was extremely early. Yeah, shockingly, yeah, shockingly.

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Speaker 1: And I thought it was you at the front door,

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Speaker 1: and I said, hey.

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Speaker 4: Just where's the address for today. You can get there

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Speaker 4: at twelve forty five and we'll start at one.

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Speaker 3: Nothing else. Find your way wherever you know, smell smell

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Speaker 3: the studio.

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Speaker 1: Well, I saw him through the window and I just

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Speaker 1: did a whoo like a finger whip. How is he

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Speaker 1: to know what that means?

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Speaker 3: I thought it was you, And I've never come to

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Speaker 3: your front door.

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Speaker 2: You've probably thought I had to go to the bathroom

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Speaker 2: and you're like, no, bro, you got to go in

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Speaker 2: the back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so goot to see it.

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Speaker 3: We made it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we've You and I have been together in

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Speaker 1: different circumstances, never like a sports show, always something more

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Speaker 1: pop culture or country music.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, when did you guys first meet?

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Speaker 1: The summer of sixty two? We would love the young gentleman.

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Speaker 1: Did you guys ever play together?

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Speaker 2: We did for the Tennessee Titans for two years, two

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Speaker 2: years of the greatest years of my life.

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Speaker 3: One year? But who's one year? Yeah, seventeen right, that's

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Speaker 3: what I meant. Yeah, one year?

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Speaker 1: Did you guys?

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Speaker 3: What was that year for?

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Speaker 1: You?

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Speaker 3: Guess? Actually? We went to a playoff.

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Speaker 1: We went to the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: We beat the Chiefs, the Chiefs in the first round,

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Speaker 3: and then we went to New England and kind.

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Speaker 2: Of got beat down a little bit, but it was

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Speaker 2: overall a successful year for us. And that was my

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Speaker 2: second year. That was Mariota's third season, right, it was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of coaching changes, I think, but I

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Speaker 4: got a great story from that year between me and Cass.

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Speaker 3: I'm here for it.

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Speaker 1: I'm like the I'm like the girlfriend who wants to

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Speaker 1: hear all the stories about there before. Yeah, that's kind.

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Speaker 3: Of a weird.

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Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, this is why I love matth though, because

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Speaker 4: you know there's you know, there's no boundary.

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Speaker 3: I guess.

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Speaker 4: Well, anyways, it's like week eight nine. We're in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 4: Thursday night, I think, or it's a it's a primetime game,

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Speaker 4: and I had these packages leading up, and so my

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Speaker 4: then try to like come along and just kind of

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Speaker 4: struggled really all season, to be honest, but that that game,

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Speaker 4: I felt like I had more packages for me and

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Speaker 4: then we never got to them on a side on

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Speaker 4: the whole time it's third down going quick, you know,

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Speaker 4: and then.

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Speaker 1: Are you playing on the inside, We're playing the slot more?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that point playing slot more. We had some injury

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Sharon Matthews played outside for the most part. I was inside. Well,

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Speaker 4: it's the fourth quarter, two minutes rail and I'm like,

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Speaker 4: this didn't go how I thought I was going. And

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Speaker 4: the receiver coach is like, all right, get in, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: young guys need to come out. You get in, like

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Speaker 4: the no, no, keep the young guys in there. You

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Speaker 4: if someone gotten castles here.

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Speaker 2: So he came up to me and he goes, hey, Cash,

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Speaker 2: you got to help me out.

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Speaker 1: He's like, Decker, Decker won't go in the game.

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Speaker 2: I said what I was because because I'm sitting there

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Speaker 2: and look, I'm just one of those guys. I was like,

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Speaker 2: what do you mean he won't go in the game, right,

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Speaker 2: because in my my point of view was Marcus was

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Speaker 3: He had the ac joint, which a lot of people

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Speaker 2: And it's the fourth quarter, we're grinding away, we're getting

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Speaker 2: beat pretty subtly.

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Speaker 1: But then I go over and I'm in a race.

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Speaker 1: You're not in the game.

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Speaker 3: I'm not even in the game.

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Speaker 1: They come to you on the sideline to say because

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Speaker 2: Look, I've I'm a veteran guy, I've got and he's

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Speaker 2: a veteran. So I go up and I blow a gasket.

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Speaker 2: I literally go up and sit. I'm in his face.

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Speaker 2: I said, I can't believe you wouldn't go in the

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Speaker 2: game right now? Are you kidding me? You're quitting on

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Speaker 2: and look, I didn't know all the circumstances. I just

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Speaker 2: was in a rage. Then he comes back at me.

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Speaker 2: We got to get separated on the sideline. Oh this

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Speaker 2: is real, like we're going to go fist a cuff.

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Speaker 2: So then this is at the end of the game, right,

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Speaker 2: So we go in. I'm hot, and so I get

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting in the back and we've got the Bears

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Speaker 2: back there, we got Ben Jones, we got the group and.

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Speaker 3: Deck usually sits what about the middle or so.

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Speaker 2: So he's walking to the back of the bus and

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting down and I was like, oh no, I'm

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Speaker 2: getting up for this because we're about to go, because

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Speaker 2: I thought he was coming back to confront me and

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Speaker 2: we're about to go to blows and so I get

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Speaker 2: And so now I'm looking like, is he gonna swing

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Speaker 2: to go, and he sticks out his hand, he goes, cash,

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Speaker 2: you were right.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: And then literally we sat down together and had a

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Speaker 2: full conversation for about twenty thirty minutes about it and

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Speaker 3: And that got squashed, but it made us closer.

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Speaker 1: Is that the only time you've ever got into it

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Speaker 3: No, for sure.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 4: I was one of the biggest ones though, because you know,

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Speaker 4: it was a critical time of the game, but we

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Speaker 4: And so when he came over, I was already I

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Speaker 4: already pissed off all the game was going, and so

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Speaker 4: we just yea, we were exchanging but there's.

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Speaker 1: You weren't mad at him, You're a mad situation. He

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Speaker 1: was just a person that was going to suffer from you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was the messenger and I was mad.

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Speaker 1: You has been like the enforcer, though, what did't you

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Speaker 1: I look at you different now.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was a guy that could absolutely I didn't

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Speaker 2: shy away from confrontation, and I'd let somebody know where

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Speaker 2: they would stand. And I think that's what people appreciate

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Speaker 2: about me too. I wouldn't I wouldn't hold back my

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Speaker 2: that I'm ready to go.

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Speaker 1: I've often talked about how when I see people fighting

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Speaker 1: with each other, how if they keep their helmets on,

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Speaker 1: you can actually do a lot more fighting with a

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Speaker 1: can't tell. Like, if you keep the helmet on, you

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Speaker 1: can say whatever you want, as aggressive as you want,

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Speaker 1: because we can't tell because of the mask. And basketball

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Speaker 1: and baseball you can't do that because there is no mask.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like there's probably a lot of these

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it depends out the season too, Like training camp,

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Speaker 4: you got that all the time, and it's usually offense

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Speaker 4: defense kind of back and forth, just because you're tired,

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Speaker 4: you're banged up, and just it's hot and just like

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Speaker 4: there's been plenty of times that it's gotten into a

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Speaker 4: physical altercation, but a lot of times it is, you know,

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Speaker 4: we want we think things should go a certain way

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Speaker 4: when you know communication, you know, in a sense of

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Speaker 4: the warriors, like you're gonna come full force aggressiveness, and

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Speaker 4: so that just it comes off that way. But at

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, I mean, like I love

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Speaker 4: casts and our confrontation was like a growing moment for

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Speaker 4: us because we're able to overcome it. You're right, And

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Speaker 4: I think that happens a lot throughout the league and

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Speaker 3: No, I was like I was gonna touch. No, you

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Speaker 3: definitely get into like.

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Speaker 1: I want you to fight now. Like I'm just like

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Speaker 1: training camp.

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Speaker 2: Training camp is awesome for a quarterback because all the

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Speaker 2: big guys and even wide receivers DBS. It's so competitive

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Speaker 2: and it gets just so methodical day in and day

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Speaker 2: out going up against each other. They know your offense,

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Speaker 2: you know their defense, and then guys get scrappy. But

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Speaker 2: from a quarterback perspective, when they get in a fight,

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Speaker 2: it almost is entertainment because I'm sitting there like should

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Speaker 2: I break this up?

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Speaker 1: Or should I watch these guys go?

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Speaker 2: Kind of you know, I'm not gonna go get in

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Speaker 2: the mix and like throw blows or anything. But it's

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Speaker 2: an entertaining part of camp and it happens every single year,

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Speaker 2: but usually you get more verbal altercations than anything else.

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Speaker 2: I do remember one scrap though. During training camp. I

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Speaker 2: was with kNs City and we had Thomas Jones and

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Ball Jonathan, uh it's not Baldwin, Maybe it is Baldwin.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Balin he was our first round pick. And so

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Speaker 2: he's sitting there and Thomas and him start mouthing off

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Speaker 2: back and forth, and we're throwing medicine balls off of

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Speaker 2: like the blocks, and so you sit down and throw

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Speaker 2: out and so finally he got to a point and

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Speaker 2: Thomas Jones had enough and he was a full veteran guy,

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Speaker 2: like twelve years in, didn't take it off anybody. He

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Speaker 2: turns around and chucks this medicine ball into Jonathan's face

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, I mean when you when you

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Speaker 4: I didn't leave the Midwest. I didn't know there was

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Speaker 4: But I could never do it.

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Speaker 2: He just had a big win though against Nebraska, seven

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Speaker 4: What was the trophy?

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Speaker 4: I think the golf car was brought over just to

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Speaker 2: What was the cooldest that you played in high school

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Speaker 1: Luckily, No, that's a good question, right, Yeah. Whenever, why'd

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Speaker 4: And you know, I'm happy that I really changed the

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Speaker 3: It was once you played one one down, yere.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was three games.

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Speaker 4: school as well. There was a time after the season,

442
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Speaker 4: because I've read shired. It wasn't playing. I was my

443
00:17:32,455 --> 00:17:37,055
Speaker 4: practice Dumby and it was five degrees outside. We had

444
00:17:37,136 --> 00:17:39,936
Speaker 4: five o'clock workouts. I had a mope pet I'm there

445
00:17:39,936 --> 00:17:43,456
Speaker 4: with my snow bill helmet on and my snow Seriously, yeah,

446
00:17:44,376 --> 00:17:46,256
Speaker 4: I lived the half a mile from the facility, maybe

447
00:17:46,495 --> 00:17:48,176
Speaker 4: a little further than that, but I'm riding like what

448
00:17:48,215 --> 00:17:50,215
Speaker 4: am I doing? Like what do I really want this?

449
00:17:50,256 --> 00:17:52,616
Speaker 4: And I was questioning if, like this was my future

450
00:17:52,656 --> 00:17:55,215
Speaker 4: and so I had kind of a coming Jesus moment

451
00:17:55,455 --> 00:17:57,816
Speaker 4: and uh man, it was it was just like grind

452
00:17:57,936 --> 00:17:59,576
Speaker 4: in the office. It was so hard, like I'm just

453
00:17:59,576 --> 00:18:01,136
Speaker 4: gonna stick with a stick with a stick with and

454
00:18:01,616 --> 00:18:03,975
Speaker 4: I stuck with it. So my rest shirt year, I

455
00:18:03,975 --> 00:18:06,176
Speaker 4: started to play a special teams, started to play receiver,

456
00:18:06,296 --> 00:18:09,696
Speaker 4: had kind of a position and had success. And at

457
00:18:09,696 --> 00:18:11,015
Speaker 4: that point I was like, you know what, I think

458
00:18:11,056 --> 00:18:13,495
Speaker 4: I can play with these guys and started to build confidence.

459
00:18:13,536 --> 00:18:16,616
Speaker 4: And I had a lot of older guys that were

460
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Speaker 4: great mentors. Matt Spaith played in the league and won

461
00:18:18,696 --> 00:18:21,896
Speaker 4: a championship at Pittsburgh. Logan Payne was an old receiver

462
00:18:21,975 --> 00:18:23,735
Speaker 4: who kind of took me under his wing, and so

463
00:18:23,816 --> 00:18:27,256
Speaker 4: those guys were really helpful and just my development early

464
00:18:27,296 --> 00:18:29,656
Speaker 4: on of building confidence and understanding, you know, what it

465
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Speaker 4: takes to be a football player in the Big Ten.

466
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Speaker 4: And so as the years kind of chugged along, I

467
00:18:34,616 --> 00:18:36,575
Speaker 4: just had more confidence that Okay, I can play. I

468
00:18:36,576 --> 00:18:38,255
Speaker 4: can play, and I built my strength up, I got

469
00:18:38,256 --> 00:18:42,215
Speaker 4: a little faster, did some offseason workouts with Layerson Gerald,

470
00:18:42,256 --> 00:18:44,455
Speaker 4: and like just being around that environment was like, I

471
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Speaker 4: love this, this is what I want to do.

472
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Speaker 1: At what point did you realize that if you set

473
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Speaker 1: a goal to play the next level it was possible.

474
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Speaker 4: Probably my resture sophomore year there was you know, pro

475
00:19:12,616 --> 00:19:15,936
Speaker 4: caliber DB's on other Big Ten teams and I was

476
00:19:16,016 --> 00:19:17,936
Speaker 4: having success against them. I was like, I can play

477
00:19:18,296 --> 00:19:19,775
Speaker 4: with these guys. I think I can make it for

478
00:19:19,776 --> 00:19:22,815
Speaker 4: the next step up. So that was kind of like

479
00:19:23,136 --> 00:19:27,056
Speaker 4: the lead into the confidence. That's everything about an athlete

480
00:19:27,056 --> 00:19:31,096
Speaker 4: is just having confidence in your ability and performing.

481
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Speaker 3: At a high level.

482
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Speaker 4: So that was probably the turning point halfway through my

483
00:19:35,416 --> 00:19:37,416
Speaker 4: sophomore year when I was having success.

484
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Speaker 2: And then you also played baseball on college, right, and

485
00:19:39,576 --> 00:19:41,856
Speaker 2: how did that work with off season training?

486
00:19:41,896 --> 00:19:42,735
Speaker 3: And yeah it was awesome.

487
00:19:42,816 --> 00:19:44,176
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you get out of it?

488
00:19:44,215 --> 00:19:46,336
Speaker 3: I got. I played one year in college.

489
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Speaker 1: I was like, this is amazing.

490
00:19:48,176 --> 00:19:50,176
Speaker 3: No springball, No spring ball. Yeah.

491
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Speaker 4: So we played always, like in the New Year's Eve

492
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Speaker 4: Bowl for football. So after that, I'd take a week

493
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Speaker 4: off and then go right into baseball. And then our

494
00:19:58,576 --> 00:20:02,656
Speaker 4: season kicked off like February, we started playing games so outfield,

495
00:20:02,735 --> 00:20:06,856
Speaker 4: center field, and then so March around April, we're out

496
00:20:06,896 --> 00:20:11,296
Speaker 4: there just you know, batting practice, throwing some balls, doing

497
00:20:11,296 --> 00:20:13,016
Speaker 4: a couple of catching drills, and you hear the music

498
00:20:13,096 --> 00:20:15,775
Speaker 4: pounding because the football practice facility is right next to

499
00:20:15,816 --> 00:20:18,576
Speaker 4: our baseball stadium, and so man, just I'm like, thank

500
00:20:18,656 --> 00:20:19,816
Speaker 4: you got them out over there.

501
00:20:19,936 --> 00:20:23,896
Speaker 2: Did you ever feel like you were losing that competitive

502
00:20:23,936 --> 00:20:26,496
Speaker 2: battle not being in spring ball as a young guy

503
00:20:26,536 --> 00:20:27,856
Speaker 2: like growing up feeling.

504
00:20:27,616 --> 00:20:29,256
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, man, I'm playing baseball.

505
00:20:29,296 --> 00:20:31,575
Speaker 2: They're they're grinding right now. Is that gonna hurt me

506
00:20:31,616 --> 00:20:33,416
Speaker 2: in the depth chart or am my playing ability?

507
00:20:33,975 --> 00:20:34,495
Speaker 3: I didn't know.

508
00:20:34,936 --> 00:20:37,136
Speaker 4: I thought it was pretty confident and where I was

509
00:20:37,215 --> 00:20:40,856
Speaker 4: out of us in that particular room with receivers. But

510
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Speaker 4: I think I just enjoyed. It's such a different challenge, right,

511
00:20:43,975 --> 00:20:46,696
Speaker 4: I mean, baseball is such a different challenge. It's a

512
00:20:46,735 --> 00:20:50,055
Speaker 4: different mentality, it's just a different environment. And I was

513
00:20:50,096 --> 00:20:54,055
Speaker 4: thriving in that because it just was fun and it

514
00:20:54,096 --> 00:20:56,775
Speaker 4: wasn't as physical, It wasn't as you know, it was

515
00:20:56,776 --> 00:20:59,015
Speaker 4: a mental game for sure. Playing sixty plus games in

516
00:20:59,056 --> 00:21:01,215
Speaker 4: the year is a lot with baseball, but it just

517
00:21:01,296 --> 00:21:03,336
Speaker 4: the mental part of like having to recover from injuries

518
00:21:03,336 --> 00:21:04,936
Speaker 4: all the time and trying to like you know, get

519
00:21:04,936 --> 00:21:08,536
Speaker 4: through every day to get to Saturday for the game.

520
00:21:08,616 --> 00:21:12,176
Speaker 4: So I didn't have the like, oh crap my behind

521
00:21:12,256 --> 00:21:14,576
Speaker 4: or am I trailing someone. I was like, I'm gonna

522
00:21:14,576 --> 00:21:16,975
Speaker 4: be present. I'm gonna enjoy this baseball and then when

523
00:21:17,016 --> 00:21:19,056
Speaker 4: summer comes around, I'm gonna get back on the grind

524
00:21:19,096 --> 00:21:19,815
Speaker 4: and earn me.

525
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Speaker 2: It was like a mental release too, like getting away

526
00:21:22,416 --> 00:21:25,775
Speaker 2: from the grind of the concept where am I on

527
00:21:25,816 --> 00:21:28,735
Speaker 2: the depth chart, you know, the grind of spring ball

528
00:21:28,816 --> 00:21:31,536
Speaker 2: I'm competing constantly, where you go out and you play

529
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Speaker 2: a game that you love. It was almost like a

530
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Speaker 2: reset button. So then when you came back to football,

531
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Speaker 2: it was like, Okay, I'm ready to go for the

532
00:21:39,176 --> 00:21:41,575
Speaker 2: fresh Yeah, you're refreshed and mentally you're ready to go.

533
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Speaker 4: That's my biggest thing, you know, with my kids too,

534
00:21:43,896 --> 00:21:46,975
Speaker 4: and my oldest is actually a specialized athlete. But like,

535
00:21:47,296 --> 00:21:50,616
Speaker 4: playing multiple sports is such a nice balance because not

536
00:21:50,656 --> 00:21:53,416
Speaker 4: only does it challenge different skill sets and you got

537
00:21:53,416 --> 00:21:56,656
Speaker 4: to learn leadership or teamwork within different teams in sports.

538
00:21:57,136 --> 00:21:59,215
Speaker 4: But it's like it is reset button. It's you know,

539
00:21:59,256 --> 00:22:02,055
Speaker 4: you're focusing on football in the fall, then you go

540
00:22:02,096 --> 00:22:04,816
Speaker 4: to basketball in the wintertime and then baseball, and it's

541
00:22:04,856 --> 00:22:09,255
Speaker 4: like otherwise you get burnt out. That's scarcely. Part of

542
00:22:09,296 --> 00:22:12,616
Speaker 4: it is like, you know, who can last playing one

543
00:22:12,616 --> 00:22:15,496
Speaker 4: sport for years unless you're getting paid a bunch of money,

544
00:22:15,495 --> 00:22:17,856
Speaker 4: which now college athletes are. But that that was my

545
00:22:17,896 --> 00:22:19,536
Speaker 4: struggle was just like I felt like I would get

546
00:22:19,536 --> 00:22:22,495
Speaker 4: burnt out coming summertime, like, oh spring balls are start work.

547
00:22:22,536 --> 00:22:24,576
Speaker 4: We're just getna break and you know it just back

548
00:22:24,616 --> 00:22:25,215
Speaker 4: to the workout.

549
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Speaker 1: Was there a consideration to keep playing baseball after college

550
00:22:28,536 --> 00:22:29,256
Speaker 1: versus football?

551
00:22:30,416 --> 00:22:33,015
Speaker 4: I had a conversation. I just wasn't as developed, I

552
00:22:33,056 --> 00:22:35,176
Speaker 4: think as a hitter, so I was not sure I

553
00:22:35,215 --> 00:22:37,296
Speaker 4: wanted to take that path. And also I loved football

554
00:22:37,336 --> 00:22:39,776
Speaker 4: because it was more structured. You know, you played one

555
00:22:40,256 --> 00:22:42,416
Speaker 4: one game a week. You're at home. You know, you

556
00:22:42,455 --> 00:22:44,896
Speaker 4: traveled maybe a couple of days, three days of the most.

557
00:22:45,376 --> 00:22:47,776
Speaker 4: Or baseball you're on the road a lot, and you

558
00:22:47,776 --> 00:22:49,495
Speaker 4: may not ever make it to the major leagues. You know,

559
00:22:49,536 --> 00:22:51,176
Speaker 4: you get caught in the minor leagues. You're on the bus,

560
00:22:51,215 --> 00:22:54,255
Speaker 4: you're just the lifestyle is completely different, and I always

561
00:22:54,336 --> 00:22:57,536
Speaker 4: knew I wanted the family. Again, I'm a home body guy.

562
00:22:57,576 --> 00:23:00,376
Speaker 4: I like consistency, I like structure, so football kind of

563
00:23:00,376 --> 00:23:03,215
Speaker 4: gave me that. But I did go through the draft

564
00:23:03,215 --> 00:23:06,015
Speaker 4: process of baseball and talk to teams and I just

565
00:23:06,056 --> 00:23:08,016
Speaker 4: felt like, you know, this probably isn't for me, because

566
00:23:08,016 --> 00:23:10,176
Speaker 4: they wanted me to play summer baseball and get more

567
00:23:10,176 --> 00:23:13,136
Speaker 4: at bats and kind of just work that craft. And

568
00:23:13,215 --> 00:23:14,255
Speaker 4: I wasn't willing to do it.

569
00:23:14,296 --> 00:23:17,056
Speaker 3: But you got drafted right twice I did. Yeah, I

570
00:23:17,136 --> 00:23:19,295
Speaker 3: mean fifty rounds. You're gonna you know, hey.

571
00:23:19,176 --> 00:23:23,256
Speaker 2: You got drafted a bus ticket and a free meal

572
00:23:23,336 --> 00:23:24,455
Speaker 2: ticket to Cracker Barrel.

573
00:23:24,536 --> 00:23:24,736
Speaker 3: Yeah.

574
00:23:24,735 --> 00:23:27,936
Speaker 4: Oh, after I asked for like guaranteed money like football

575
00:23:28,455 --> 00:23:31,416
Speaker 4: in the second round. They're like, I'm like, okay, but yeah,

576
00:23:31,536 --> 00:23:33,376
Speaker 4: Twins Milwaukee Brewers.

577
00:23:33,856 --> 00:23:35,976
Speaker 3: So it's pretty cool. I mean, the hometown team get

578
00:23:35,975 --> 00:23:36,455
Speaker 3: to draft you.

579
00:23:36,576 --> 00:23:40,536
Speaker 1: Are you just a magnet of cold places? And it's like, yeah,

580
00:23:40,616 --> 00:23:42,496
Speaker 1: let's look, let's look across the board. Who do best

581
00:23:42,495 --> 00:23:45,576
Speaker 1: in cold weather? Well, Decker plays everything, so let's just hockey.

582
00:23:45,656 --> 00:23:47,575
Speaker 1: They're they're trying to draft me in the NHL. We

583
00:23:47,616 --> 00:23:50,136
Speaker 1: can develop that skill set. What was the pre draft

584
00:23:50,136 --> 00:23:51,336
Speaker 1: process like in football for you?

585
00:23:51,975 --> 00:23:54,616
Speaker 4: Well, my my senior year in football, I had a

586
00:23:54,656 --> 00:23:57,776
Speaker 4: list Frank's brain so it's like a mid foot tear

587
00:23:59,016 --> 00:24:01,495
Speaker 4: of the metatarsal, so I had hardware put in. I

588
00:24:01,576 --> 00:24:04,255
Speaker 4: was out this is December. I had surgery, so I

589
00:24:04,336 --> 00:24:06,975
Speaker 4: was out for eight months. So I was out during

590
00:24:07,536 --> 00:24:10,136
Speaker 4: UH combine. I was out during kind of the whole

591
00:24:10,215 --> 00:24:13,615
Speaker 4: Pro Day and draft process. I did a bunch of

592
00:24:13,735 --> 00:24:15,975
Speaker 4: you know, obviously going to Pro Day, doing the interviews

593
00:24:16,016 --> 00:24:18,815
Speaker 4: and doing kind of the mental part of it. But

594
00:24:18,936 --> 00:24:21,016
Speaker 4: it was nerve racking because I'm a white guy from

595
00:24:21,016 --> 00:24:23,816
Speaker 4: Minnesota playing a skilled position that you know, there's not

596
00:24:23,856 --> 00:24:26,256
Speaker 4: a lot of us, so I didn't know what to expect.

597
00:24:26,256 --> 00:24:27,576
Speaker 4: I visited a lot of teams. There was a lot

598
00:24:27,576 --> 00:24:30,455
Speaker 4: of interest, but all I had to do was just

599
00:24:30,495 --> 00:24:33,376
Speaker 4: kind of focus on getting healthy. And that's where actually

600
00:24:33,416 --> 00:24:35,736
Speaker 4: I was in Arizona training. I met Demarus Thomas. There's

601
00:24:35,856 --> 00:24:37,815
Speaker 4: a group of us training down there, and he all

602
00:24:37,816 --> 00:24:40,656
Speaker 4: of a sudden tore his fifth ment of tarsel during

603
00:24:40,776 --> 00:24:43,975
Speaker 4: during workouts, and so we really bonded through kind of

604
00:24:44,016 --> 00:24:47,215
Speaker 4: that process of being in the athletic training room and

605
00:24:47,376 --> 00:24:49,736
Speaker 4: having to do our rehab and PT and just kind

606
00:24:49,735 --> 00:24:51,535
Speaker 4: of get back on the field in the sense. So

607
00:24:52,776 --> 00:24:56,136
Speaker 4: I think when I look at it, it.

608
00:24:56,016 --> 00:24:57,896
Speaker 3: Was something I needed. I needed a break. I was

609
00:24:57,896 --> 00:24:58,856
Speaker 3: burnt out from playing.

610
00:24:58,616 --> 00:25:01,416
Speaker 4: Football baseball for the two years in college, and I

611
00:25:01,536 --> 00:25:03,736
Speaker 4: just was like, oh man, I go right into training now.

612
00:25:03,816 --> 00:25:06,096
Speaker 4: So it kind of gave me a break to kind

613
00:25:06,096 --> 00:25:10,015
Speaker 4: of re you know, configure my brain on like what

614
00:25:10,136 --> 00:25:11,575
Speaker 4: kind of the goal was next for me.

615
00:25:12,376 --> 00:25:14,776
Speaker 2: And it sounded like you studied for the Wonderlicks test

616
00:25:14,856 --> 00:25:17,616
Speaker 2: because you got like what one of the highest tests,

617
00:25:17,656 --> 00:25:19,616
Speaker 2: i mean test scores ever on the wonder Lick.

618
00:25:20,735 --> 00:25:23,336
Speaker 1: That's so annoying, that's unbelievable. But it's also it's like

619
00:25:23,416 --> 00:25:25,176
Speaker 1: both of you, both of you just I mean, I

620
00:25:26,016 --> 00:25:30,656
Speaker 1: leave some for everybody else like athlete, good looking guys

621
00:25:30,975 --> 00:25:34,816
Speaker 1: like you playing multiple sports. I'm over here like gotta

622
00:25:34,816 --> 00:25:37,575
Speaker 1: do quiz bowl like it sucks. Never never got a

623
00:25:37,616 --> 00:25:40,615
Speaker 1: girl until late, like leave some for the rest of us.

624
00:25:40,616 --> 00:25:45,336
Speaker 3: I think Bobby's doing just fine.

625
00:25:46,536 --> 00:25:48,215
Speaker 1: You crushed the wonder Lick, dude.

626
00:25:48,296 --> 00:25:49,696
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I got forty something.

627
00:25:49,696 --> 00:25:51,455
Speaker 2: I don't know if it has it right here, And

628
00:25:51,495 --> 00:25:54,055
Speaker 2: I was like, what I mean, I've spent a lot

629
00:25:54,056 --> 00:25:56,176
Speaker 2: of time with you, just never took you for an intellectual.

630
00:25:57,136 --> 00:26:00,056
Speaker 1: I scored the seventh best Wonderlick.

631
00:25:59,616 --> 00:26:02,376
Speaker 2: Test of all time during his pre draft process with

632
00:26:02,776 --> 00:26:03,735
Speaker 2: forty three?

633
00:26:04,576 --> 00:26:07,176
Speaker 1: Was it? Did you did you study? I took the

634
00:26:07,176 --> 00:26:09,856
Speaker 1: act I crushed it. Yeah, but I studied how to

635
00:26:09,896 --> 00:26:12,455
Speaker 1: take the test more so than trying to learn everything

636
00:26:12,495 --> 00:26:15,215
Speaker 1: that the test might have taught me. Did you prepare

637
00:26:15,256 --> 00:26:16,735
Speaker 1: for the wonder Lick or just walk in and go?

638
00:26:16,975 --> 00:26:17,496
Speaker 1: I kind of got.

639
00:26:17,936 --> 00:26:20,176
Speaker 3: I mean, they gave us some like you know, practice

640
00:26:21,056 --> 00:26:24,536
Speaker 3: questions and stuff, but really unless have been really good tutors.

641
00:26:25,176 --> 00:26:28,255
Speaker 4: But I remember, like, you know, spending hours on like

642
00:26:28,296 --> 00:26:30,416
Speaker 4: how to take the Wonder of the leg that they

643
00:26:30,455 --> 00:26:32,616
Speaker 4: give us advice, Like all right, you know you're gonna

644
00:26:32,656 --> 00:26:34,976
Speaker 4: waste a lot of time reading the full paragraph, kind

645
00:26:34,975 --> 00:26:37,255
Speaker 4: of read the first sentence in the last ence and

646
00:26:37,256 --> 00:26:39,296
Speaker 4: figure out, you know what you're trying to solve.

647
00:26:39,416 --> 00:26:43,336
Speaker 1: Yeah, picks be. You guys had different tutors. I think

648
00:26:44,376 --> 00:26:46,455
Speaker 1: the best when I.

649
00:26:46,376 --> 00:26:48,615
Speaker 2: Came in, I was late to showing up because they

650
00:26:48,616 --> 00:26:49,896
Speaker 2: didn't tell me what time I had to be there.

651
00:26:49,896 --> 00:26:52,055
Speaker 2: Set around nine. Well, they're already taking the test. We

652
00:26:52,056 --> 00:26:54,015
Speaker 2: had like twenty minutes left in the pest or whatever.

653
00:26:54,136 --> 00:26:56,535
Speaker 2: And the guys like, okay, yeah, you're not really on

654
00:26:56,576 --> 00:26:57,616
Speaker 2: my list, but go in there.

655
00:26:57,455 --> 00:27:00,576
Speaker 3: And take the test. Start writing. I don't have any

656
00:27:00,576 --> 00:27:01,176
Speaker 3: idea what I.

657
00:27:01,096 --> 00:27:04,816
Speaker 1: Got, But as like, I have no idea, I told

658
00:27:05,536 --> 00:27:05,936
Speaker 1: you don't know.

659
00:27:05,975 --> 00:27:07,855
Speaker 3: You still I really don't know. I think we can

660
00:27:07,896 --> 00:27:10,295
Speaker 3: probably find great castle.

661
00:27:10,336 --> 00:27:17,176
Speaker 2: Get forty seven, one of the lowest nineteen ninety three drafting.

662
00:27:17,256 --> 00:27:19,735
Speaker 1: You being like a white guy though, like you know,

663
00:27:20,096 --> 00:27:24,016
Speaker 1: high motor, sneak, sneakily, athollician technical.

664
00:27:24,056 --> 00:27:26,495
Speaker 3: You kind of had to get Cruden's grinder somewhere. I

665
00:27:26,856 --> 00:27:27,535
Speaker 3: got that award.

666
00:27:28,296 --> 00:27:31,256
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you do? Interviews? Like the pre draft

667
00:27:31,256 --> 00:27:32,896
Speaker 1: interviews and how did those go?

668
00:27:33,776 --> 00:27:35,696
Speaker 3: Everything went great, I mean the interviews went great, and

669
00:27:35,735 --> 00:27:36,176
Speaker 3: that's why.

670
00:27:36,536 --> 00:27:38,255
Speaker 4: I think leading up to the draft, I thought I

671
00:27:38,256 --> 00:27:40,616
Speaker 4: had a lot of opportunity And where were.

672
00:27:40,495 --> 00:27:43,536
Speaker 1: They telling you that you might go if you go

673
00:27:44,536 --> 00:27:45,336
Speaker 1: first overall?

674
00:27:45,735 --> 00:27:49,376
Speaker 4: First of hell, yeah, I think you know, it was

675
00:27:49,455 --> 00:27:50,816
Speaker 4: kind of in the second round.

676
00:27:52,376 --> 00:27:54,336
Speaker 1: Like that was like the window like someone in the

677
00:27:54,336 --> 00:27:54,856
Speaker 1: second round.

678
00:27:54,896 --> 00:27:57,575
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there was teams that were looking for a

679
00:27:57,616 --> 00:28:00,576
Speaker 4: skill position in early and so not a first round

680
00:28:00,696 --> 00:28:04,376
Speaker 4: draft pick the second round, especially being injured, you know,

681
00:28:04,416 --> 00:28:06,255
Speaker 4: I thought that was kind of high as well. But

682
00:28:06,296 --> 00:28:08,815
Speaker 4: that was my expectation. So anyways, it was like Denver

683
00:28:08,975 --> 00:28:12,776
Speaker 4: was on the list, they moved up, got to Marius Seattle,

684
00:28:12,816 --> 00:28:16,056
Speaker 4: got Golden Tate, and it just went on the list.

685
00:28:16,096 --> 00:28:18,455
Speaker 4: There was like nine or ten teams all picked receivers

686
00:28:18,495 --> 00:28:20,495
Speaker 4: that I thought I was going to. I'm like, so

687
00:28:20,576 --> 00:28:22,495
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, mid third round came around. I'm like,

688
00:28:23,215 --> 00:28:25,255
Speaker 4: I got one hundred and fifty people at my house.

689
00:28:25,376 --> 00:28:28,055
Speaker 4: I'm like, expectations were high. I'm like, oh man, I

690
00:28:28,176 --> 00:28:29,656
Speaker 4: just got out of the house to go walk down

691
00:28:29,696 --> 00:28:31,696
Speaker 4: the road, like this may not happen for me. What

692
00:28:31,776 --> 00:28:34,215
Speaker 4: do I tell my family and friends? Like, can you

693
00:28:34,256 --> 00:28:36,215
Speaker 4: guys just please go, or you know, can we come

694
00:28:36,256 --> 00:28:36,936
Speaker 4: back and try.

695
00:28:36,735 --> 00:28:38,936
Speaker 3: This hell out of here. Yeah, let me have a moment.

696
00:28:39,896 --> 00:28:41,136
Speaker 4: And so there's a lot of nerves, you know. There

697
00:28:41,216 --> 00:28:43,376
Speaker 4: was obviously the anticipation, the excitement, and then all of

698
00:28:43,376 --> 00:28:45,816
Speaker 4: a sudden it was like the anxiety and the unknown

699
00:28:46,096 --> 00:28:49,016
Speaker 4: feelings that were kind of setting in middle of the

700
00:28:49,056 --> 00:28:51,416
Speaker 4: third round. It was day two at the time. And

701
00:28:51,536 --> 00:28:53,096
Speaker 4: finally got a phone call there towards the end of

702
00:28:53,136 --> 00:28:53,816
Speaker 4: the third round and.

703
00:28:54,016 --> 00:28:54,496
Speaker 1: It was it.

704
00:28:54,496 --> 00:28:56,936
Speaker 3: It was Denver person was it was?

705
00:28:56,816 --> 00:28:59,656
Speaker 4: It was josh Um Daniels coach Y Daniels, and just

706
00:28:59,696 --> 00:29:01,496
Speaker 4: I remember where I was. I was in the back

707
00:29:01,536 --> 00:29:04,216
Speaker 4: porch with a couple of friends, having a few beers

708
00:29:04,216 --> 00:29:06,096
Speaker 4: and trying to you know, cool that a little bit,

709
00:29:06,256 --> 00:29:08,456
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, it was like a three or three

710
00:29:08,536 --> 00:29:12,616
Speaker 4: number popped up like hello and changed my life.

711
00:29:12,776 --> 00:29:13,616
Speaker 1: Was that the year?

712
00:29:15,096 --> 00:29:15,296
Speaker 3: Yeah?

713
00:29:15,856 --> 00:29:16,616
Speaker 1: First pick?

714
00:29:17,456 --> 00:29:21,416
Speaker 3: Yeah, Thomas both in the first round. Oh so you

715
00:29:21,456 --> 00:29:25,256
Speaker 3: were there during the Tebow years? I was, yeah, yeah.

716
00:29:25,136 --> 00:29:28,016
Speaker 2: Because right, because Kyle Wharton came in that year. Yeah, right,

717
00:29:28,096 --> 00:29:30,976
Speaker 2: Kyle Wharton was there. He started, But all the chatter

718
00:29:31,256 --> 00:29:34,095
Speaker 2: around everything was Tim Tebow because he's such a figure.

719
00:29:34,136 --> 00:29:36,376
Speaker 2: Everybody knew him from Florida and what he did the

720
00:29:36,456 --> 00:29:39,256
Speaker 2: national championship, and he went about things a little bit

721
00:29:39,256 --> 00:29:41,656
Speaker 2: differently and just his personality and who he was.

722
00:29:42,136 --> 00:29:43,496
Speaker 3: But talk to us about that.

723
00:29:43,736 --> 00:29:44,096
Speaker 1: And when.

724
00:29:45,576 --> 00:29:47,976
Speaker 4: I mean my first year I played with Kyle and

725
00:29:48,336 --> 00:29:50,296
Speaker 4: I still say to this day, like Kyle Orn throws

726
00:29:50,336 --> 00:29:53,616
Speaker 4: like the best, the best ball, just a perfect spin,

727
00:29:53,816 --> 00:29:56,936
Speaker 4: so catchable. And Tiba came in towards the end of

728
00:29:56,976 --> 00:30:00,096
Speaker 4: the year because McDaniel's got fired, and so there's just

729
00:30:00,136 --> 00:30:03,616
Speaker 4: the obviously transition going on with that second year Kyle stars.

730
00:30:03,696 --> 00:30:07,575
Speaker 4: But yeah, from the first mistake to bow and it

731
00:30:07,616 --> 00:30:09,616
Speaker 4: was it was hard in the locker room because there's

732
00:30:09,656 --> 00:30:12,936
Speaker 4: some division, you know, between the quarterbacks and you know,

733
00:30:13,016 --> 00:30:15,216
Speaker 4: guys that want to choose who was their guys just

734
00:30:15,216 --> 00:30:17,256
Speaker 4: like let's just go and play football, you know, but

735
00:30:17,296 --> 00:30:20,216
Speaker 4: you can't really do that. So come week three, maybe

736
00:30:20,296 --> 00:30:22,336
Speaker 4: week four, and I was having a great start of

737
00:30:22,336 --> 00:30:24,016
Speaker 4: the season. I had like four or five touchdowns the

738
00:30:24,016 --> 00:30:25,936
Speaker 4: first three games with Kyle, like we were kind of

739
00:30:26,576 --> 00:30:28,936
Speaker 4: had a connection, and but the San Diego game, we

740
00:30:29,016 --> 00:30:30,736
Speaker 4: just were struggling in the first half of like Tim

741
00:30:30,776 --> 00:30:33,336
Speaker 4: go in and Tim comes in the game second half

742
00:30:33,376 --> 00:30:37,416
Speaker 4: and marches down for like one of those that game

743
00:30:37,976 --> 00:30:39,216
Speaker 4: just hell, Mary.

744
00:30:39,416 --> 00:30:41,336
Speaker 3: Finishes, and that's what the season was.

745
00:30:41,376 --> 00:30:46,776
Speaker 4: Though we had eight wins of overtime, like like Crater

746
00:30:46,936 --> 00:30:49,456
Speaker 4: kicked a sixty five yarder and Tebow ran for like

747
00:30:49,496 --> 00:30:53,216
Speaker 4: sixty yards one time. Mayor and Barbara fumbled it like magically,

748
00:30:53,256 --> 00:30:54,976
Speaker 4: and we scooped it up and scored, just like all

749
00:30:55,016 --> 00:30:58,216
Speaker 4: these things like interdi It was an intervention.

750
00:30:58,976 --> 00:31:10,536
Speaker 5: Intervention, you guys, Yeah, yeah, yes, that well.

751
00:31:10,576 --> 00:31:13,256
Speaker 2: How about about that year you guys came to Kansas City.

752
00:31:13,376 --> 00:31:17,176
Speaker 2: So I'm in Kansas City. The Yeah, We're playing at Arrowhead.

753
00:31:17,936 --> 00:31:20,576
Speaker 2: They threw two passes in the game, rushed the ball

754
00:31:20,656 --> 00:31:22,416
Speaker 2: forty so it was like sixteen to ten late in

755
00:31:22,416 --> 00:31:22,776
Speaker 2: the third.

756
00:31:22,856 --> 00:31:23,416
Speaker 1: That was the game.

757
00:31:23,456 --> 00:31:25,936
Speaker 2: I broke my hand yep, and then you guys ended

758
00:31:25,976 --> 00:31:28,096
Speaker 2: up puinting. I think you caught a touchdown pass that game,

759
00:31:28,096 --> 00:31:28,416
Speaker 2: didn't you.

760
00:31:28,496 --> 00:31:30,696
Speaker 4: Oh the two balls I caught, it was he was

761
00:31:30,816 --> 00:31:34,376
Speaker 4: three four eight, uh, And I caught one of them

762
00:31:34,416 --> 00:31:37,096
Speaker 4: for like a fifty yard touchdown. But we ran the

763
00:31:37,096 --> 00:31:40,616
Speaker 4: ball sixty times. It was unbelievable.

764
00:31:40,856 --> 00:31:45,776
Speaker 1: So watching that season and seeing all those miraculous things happen,

765
00:31:45,856 --> 00:31:48,616
Speaker 1: it seemed game after game, but it's happening to you

766
00:31:48,736 --> 00:31:51,416
Speaker 1: in the locker room. Are you guys even like what

767
00:31:51,496 --> 00:31:52,136
Speaker 1: is happening?

768
00:31:52,496 --> 00:31:54,256
Speaker 3: And also did you start going to Bible study?

769
00:31:54,416 --> 00:31:56,216
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it was it weird for you guys to

770
00:31:56,216 --> 00:31:57,575
Speaker 1: to keep winning games like that?

771
00:31:57,736 --> 00:31:59,336
Speaker 4: Oh, of course it was. I mean it was just

772
00:31:59,416 --> 00:32:00,855
Speaker 4: it was the talk of the town. But then it

773
00:32:00,896 --> 00:32:03,136
Speaker 4: was it was chattering the locker room as well. Like,

774
00:32:03,536 --> 00:32:06,176
Speaker 4: as long as we got tim, something's gonna happen miraculously

775
00:32:06,216 --> 00:32:06,816
Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter.

776
00:32:06,856 --> 00:32:08,936
Speaker 3: And it really did. I mean a week after week

777
00:32:08,976 --> 00:32:09,416
Speaker 3: after week.

778
00:32:09,456 --> 00:32:11,456
Speaker 4: And what was crazy is we got towards the end

779
00:32:11,456 --> 00:32:15,696
Speaker 4: of the season and the parking lot for the players

780
00:32:15,736 --> 00:32:17,776
Speaker 4: you had to walk outside through the tunnel to get

781
00:32:17,816 --> 00:32:19,736
Speaker 4: down to the locker room, and people would kind of

782
00:32:20,336 --> 00:32:23,016
Speaker 4: you know, stand around astro autographs or take pictures. Well,

783
00:32:23,016 --> 00:32:25,016
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, these churches started coming and they're

784
00:32:25,056 --> 00:32:29,095
Speaker 4: singing homilies and they're like, you know, like praising Tebow

785
00:32:29,096 --> 00:32:32,856
Speaker 4: in a sense. And so playoff game against Pittsburgh Steelers,

786
00:32:33,216 --> 00:32:36,575
Speaker 4: first round, I mean there was four hundred probably people

787
00:32:37,096 --> 00:32:37,856
Speaker 4: singing homilies.

788
00:32:37,936 --> 00:32:38,136
Speaker 1: Dude.

789
00:32:38,136 --> 00:32:41,696
Speaker 4: It was a wild But he was so polarizing, you know,

790
00:32:41,776 --> 00:32:45,096
Speaker 4: and like I think he really transformed the fan base

791
00:32:45,256 --> 00:32:47,496
Speaker 4: for what he accomplished on the field, but more so

792
00:32:47,896 --> 00:32:50,736
Speaker 4: kind of who he is obviously in his character. So

793
00:32:51,416 --> 00:32:54,496
Speaker 4: it was like one of the there's books written about

794
00:32:54,496 --> 00:32:56,896
Speaker 4: it that season because it was just wild. You never

795
00:32:56,896 --> 00:32:59,656
Speaker 4: see it again, but it was a fun, fun journey

796
00:32:59,696 --> 00:33:00,216
Speaker 4: to be a part of.

797
00:33:00,456 --> 00:33:02,616
Speaker 1: Was he polarizing though in the locker room or was

798
00:33:02,616 --> 00:33:03,936
Speaker 1: it just what was happening outside?

799
00:33:04,056 --> 00:33:06,576
Speaker 4: I think more so just the outside and and kind

800
00:33:06,576 --> 00:33:09,176
Speaker 4: of what noise I guess is being created. I mean,

801
00:33:09,656 --> 00:33:11,976
Speaker 4: Tim's a great guy. Like what you see is what

802
00:33:12,056 --> 00:33:15,176
Speaker 4: you get. He's just he's super energetic, he's super positive,

803
00:33:15,696 --> 00:33:16,776
Speaker 4: he works really hard.

804
00:33:17,336 --> 00:33:17,536
Speaker 3: You know.

805
00:33:17,616 --> 00:33:20,496
Speaker 4: One thing I say about your quarterbacks is like you're

806
00:33:20,536 --> 00:33:23,096
Speaker 4: able to like hang out off the field. He didn't

807
00:33:23,096 --> 00:33:23,776
Speaker 4: do that as much.

808
00:33:23,936 --> 00:33:24,096
Speaker 3: You know.

809
00:33:24,176 --> 00:33:25,776
Speaker 4: That was that was one thing where we strugled with

810
00:33:25,936 --> 00:33:28,536
Speaker 4: was like, well, who's who's really Tim? You know, we

811
00:33:28,576 --> 00:33:30,896
Speaker 4: had never got that that time outside of the locker room.

812
00:33:31,096 --> 00:33:33,296
Speaker 4: But in the locker room he was a leader. You know,

813
00:33:33,376 --> 00:33:36,176
Speaker 4: he was a guy everyone leaned on and and fouled.

814
00:33:36,216 --> 00:33:39,136
Speaker 4: So a lot of respect for what he's accomplished in

815
00:33:39,176 --> 00:33:40,576
Speaker 4: his football career, but more so.

816
00:33:40,576 --> 00:33:44,136
Speaker 3: Who he is. Okay, so then Peyton comes in, Is it.

817
00:33:44,376 --> 00:33:46,936
Speaker 1: Familiar with this guy Who's just who's that guy?

818
00:33:46,976 --> 00:33:51,776
Speaker 3: Peyton Manning?

819
00:33:52,176 --> 00:33:52,656
Speaker 1: He comes in?

820
00:33:52,656 --> 00:33:56,176
Speaker 3: What the year after? So yeah, two thousand and twelve,

821
00:33:56,296 --> 00:33:56,856
Speaker 3: he came.

822
00:33:56,696 --> 00:33:58,856
Speaker 1: In twenty twelve. Now what was that transition?

823
00:33:58,976 --> 00:33:59,056
Speaker 2: Like?

824
00:33:59,096 --> 00:34:02,896
Speaker 1: Who was everybody? Just let's go well.

825
00:34:02,936 --> 00:34:06,776
Speaker 4: I remember, yeah, being being uh at my apartment and

826
00:34:07,136 --> 00:34:09,976
Speaker 4: our receiver coach at the time, Adam Gaze, called me, Hey,

827
00:34:10,176 --> 00:34:12,616
Speaker 4: Payns in town. He's come to the facility, just pop by.

828
00:34:13,136 --> 00:34:16,616
Speaker 4: I said, share, yes, okay, and so kind of had

829
00:34:16,656 --> 00:34:19,656
Speaker 4: to like find an excuse to get to the facility

830
00:34:19,696 --> 00:34:21,496
Speaker 4: because I mean the media was just waiting out there

831
00:34:21,576 --> 00:34:23,496
Speaker 4: was tens.

832
00:34:23,936 --> 00:34:25,176
Speaker 1: Because every was wondering where he was going to go.

833
00:34:25,296 --> 00:34:26,896
Speaker 1: Was it San Francisco? Was it like there was the

834
00:34:26,976 --> 00:34:28,296
Speaker 1: few teams they thought he would go to.

835
00:34:28,456 --> 00:34:31,496
Speaker 4: Cameras follow him everywhere, right, and so stuck into the

836
00:34:31,536 --> 00:34:33,456
Speaker 4: facility got to meet him. You know, I think what

837
00:34:33,696 --> 00:34:37,815
Speaker 4: really sold him was probably the young talent that we had,

838
00:34:37,896 --> 00:34:39,696
Speaker 4: you know, I mean no Sean Moraine at the time

839
00:34:39,936 --> 00:34:43,976
Speaker 4: in the running back room to marry us obviously uh myself.

840
00:34:44,296 --> 00:34:47,256
Speaker 4: You know, he brought in Wes Welker and Brandon Stokely. Uh.

841
00:34:47,376 --> 00:34:48,856
Speaker 3: For two consecutive years, I.

842
00:34:48,896 --> 00:34:52,616
Speaker 4: Had, you know, young Julius Thomas tight end, good offensive line,

843
00:34:52,656 --> 00:34:55,335
Speaker 4: so I think he felt comfortable with kind of where

844
00:34:55,376 --> 00:34:57,696
Speaker 4: the team was heading. And uh, you know, he brought

845
00:34:57,696 --> 00:35:01,016
Speaker 4: his own system in for the most part. But I

846
00:35:01,056 --> 00:35:03,296
Speaker 4: really think Damarius is probably a big factor in.

847
00:35:03,376 --> 00:35:04,976
Speaker 3: Why he chose Denver.

848
00:35:05,056 --> 00:35:06,815
Speaker 4: Our deep this was really good at the time too,

849
00:35:06,856 --> 00:35:08,856
Speaker 4: so he knew we didn't have to do too much

850
00:35:09,576 --> 00:35:12,096
Speaker 4: though we did, so it was it was a It

851
00:35:12,136 --> 00:35:14,696
Speaker 4: was a fun time because you know, yes, we went

852
00:35:14,736 --> 00:35:17,176
Speaker 4: to the playoffs. We had this like Morocco year with Tebow,

853
00:35:17,256 --> 00:35:19,776
Speaker 4: but more so this was like football that I'm used

854
00:35:19,816 --> 00:35:21,336
Speaker 4: to having a Hall of Fame quarterback.

855
00:35:21,336 --> 00:35:38,576
Speaker 2: You're never gonna say no, how much of the offense

856
00:35:38,736 --> 00:35:41,416
Speaker 2: change from the point that he got there to when

857
00:35:41,456 --> 00:35:44,016
Speaker 2: the season started, was that he implemented everything that he

858
00:35:44,096 --> 00:35:47,496
Speaker 2: knew of And was there subtle changes at first or

859
00:35:47,616 --> 00:35:48,936
Speaker 2: was it a wholesale change.

860
00:35:49,096 --> 00:35:51,696
Speaker 4: Well, you know, Michael coy was the offensive coordinator, so

861
00:35:51,736 --> 00:35:55,216
Speaker 4: we originally kind of had a similar style offense, and

862
00:35:55,216 --> 00:35:57,136
Speaker 4: then when Teba came in, we started going to like

863
00:35:58,136 --> 00:35:58,656
Speaker 4: wing tea.

864
00:35:58,736 --> 00:36:03,256
Speaker 1: I felt like, again, you're watching films in Navy or the.

865
00:36:04,576 --> 00:36:06,416
Speaker 4: It was some option, for sure, we ran some option

866
00:36:06,576 --> 00:36:08,216
Speaker 4: till it changed little bit. So when we went back

867
00:36:08,256 --> 00:36:10,776
Speaker 4: to I guess the original offense, I think more of

868
00:36:10,776 --> 00:36:14,416
Speaker 4: the verbiage probably changed. A lot of the formation stayed

869
00:36:14,456 --> 00:36:16,536
Speaker 4: the same. I think some of the line calls stayed

870
00:36:16,536 --> 00:36:18,216
Speaker 4: the same. But yeah, he kind of put his touch

871
00:36:18,256 --> 00:36:20,896
Speaker 4: on everything. So it was a lot of work, you know,

872
00:36:21,056 --> 00:36:24,056
Speaker 4: from the point that he signed and the off season

873
00:36:24,176 --> 00:36:27,416
Speaker 4: started of implementing the offense to getting on the field

874
00:36:27,416 --> 00:36:30,176
Speaker 4: and walking through it. I mean it changed dramatically to

875
00:36:30,256 --> 00:36:33,176
Speaker 4: training camp and we started playing fast. Being in Denver

876
00:36:33,256 --> 00:36:36,816
Speaker 4: having kind of that advantage with the altitude, we had

877
00:36:36,816 --> 00:36:38,656
Speaker 4: a value menu, so it was like one through ten

878
00:36:38,696 --> 00:36:40,336
Speaker 4: and we went to the line and we just played

879
00:36:40,336 --> 00:36:42,376
Speaker 4: super fast and we went quick, and everyone knew what

880
00:36:42,456 --> 00:36:45,776
Speaker 4: their routes were. Receivers, tight end state on one side, so

881
00:36:45,816 --> 00:36:48,096
Speaker 4: we just kind of flipped him so we could just

882
00:36:48,096 --> 00:36:50,016
Speaker 4: just go and man, it was a lot of fun.

883
00:36:50,256 --> 00:36:52,976
Speaker 1: Yeah, you scored a lot of Fantasy points for players

884
00:36:53,336 --> 00:36:55,176
Speaker 1: in Denver, Like it just seemed like you were getting

885
00:36:55,176 --> 00:36:57,376
Speaker 1: the ball a lot. Is that when you felt like

886
00:36:57,456 --> 00:36:59,656
Speaker 1: the most fluid, like we were thriving the most. Was

887
00:36:59,696 --> 00:37:02,296
Speaker 1: that a few years with Peyton and Denver.

888
00:37:02,136 --> 00:37:05,296
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean of course I was younger, I was healthy,

889
00:37:06,096 --> 00:37:10,056
Speaker 4: and then you know, just it was just not easy,

890
00:37:10,096 --> 00:37:12,456
Speaker 4: but it felt easy in a way because we would

891
00:37:12,456 --> 00:37:14,016
Speaker 4: just play so fast and he spread it out. I mean,

892
00:37:14,056 --> 00:37:17,136
Speaker 4: we have still, I think all the offensive records from

893
00:37:17,136 --> 00:37:20,176
Speaker 4: that twenty thirteen season, but you got to think Damarius

894
00:37:20,176 --> 00:37:23,216
Speaker 4: Thomas had ten plus touchdowns. I had ten plus touchdowns,

895
00:37:23,296 --> 00:37:25,896
Speaker 4: Wes Walker had ten plus touchdowns, Julius Thomas had ten

896
00:37:25,936 --> 00:37:28,696
Speaker 4: plus touchdowns. No Sean Moreno had ten plus. So the

897
00:37:28,696 --> 00:37:31,216
Speaker 4: ball was spread out. But we just played so fast

898
00:37:31,256 --> 00:37:34,936
Speaker 4: and we had like seventy five I think offensive plays

899
00:37:34,936 --> 00:37:37,016
Speaker 4: on average, you know, which is pretty high. It got

900
00:37:37,016 --> 00:37:40,456
Speaker 4: to eighties and nineties sometimes in certain games. But like

901
00:37:40,976 --> 00:37:44,056
Speaker 4: Peyton just knew, you know, what the defense we were

902
00:37:44,096 --> 00:37:45,536
Speaker 4: doing at that time and could put us in the

903
00:37:45,576 --> 00:37:47,376
Speaker 4: right position and so all you do was just get

904
00:37:47,496 --> 00:37:50,096
Speaker 4: get to your spot. And man, we practiced so much

905
00:37:50,176 --> 00:37:55,256
Speaker 4: as well during the week with certain nuances.

906
00:37:57,056 --> 00:38:06,815
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Nan, at least it wasn't a spelling Yeah.

907
00:38:06,856 --> 00:38:08,936
Speaker 3: I can't talk, but I can use this.

908
00:38:09,256 --> 00:38:11,296
Speaker 4: Yeah, But like the resonant stuff, you know, like we

909
00:38:11,496 --> 00:38:14,016
Speaker 4: practiced the resident third down so much where we were

910
00:38:14,056 --> 00:38:15,496
Speaker 4: just we're just automatic.

911
00:38:15,256 --> 00:38:18,976
Speaker 2: And Welker told a great story about when you and

912
00:38:19,056 --> 00:38:22,896
Speaker 2: he pranked. Oh yeah, Peyton, go through that story because

913
00:38:22,896 --> 00:38:23,976
Speaker 2: it's it's a good one.

914
00:38:24,016 --> 00:38:24,936
Speaker 3: It's phenomenal. Yeah.

915
00:38:24,976 --> 00:38:28,216
Speaker 4: So there was a cover sports Delitary cover in training camp.

916
00:38:28,256 --> 00:38:31,496
Speaker 4: We were shooting it and so it was Peyton, myself,

917
00:38:31,576 --> 00:38:34,976
Speaker 4: Da Marius, and Wes Welker, and so the idea was

918
00:38:35,096 --> 00:38:37,616
Speaker 4: just to get I guess you know us in our uniforms.

919
00:38:37,616 --> 00:38:38,936
Speaker 4: But we wanted to kind of spice it up a

920
00:38:38,976 --> 00:38:42,256
Speaker 4: little bit. So we told our uh meaty guy at

921
00:38:42,256 --> 00:38:44,296
Speaker 4: the time to kind of put some cameras in. We're like, hey, listen,

922
00:38:44,456 --> 00:38:46,496
Speaker 4: we're gonna come in and say we want to do

923
00:38:46,496 --> 00:38:51,736
Speaker 4: the Bo Jackson style picture shoulder pads, you know, no Jersey,

924
00:38:51,976 --> 00:38:54,336
Speaker 4: let's show some skin off. Let's let's make this risky.

925
00:38:55,016 --> 00:38:57,096
Speaker 4: And so we get him on board and he goes,

926
00:38:57,136 --> 00:38:59,456
Speaker 4: all right, Payton, here's kind of what they want and

927
00:38:59,816 --> 00:39:01,176
Speaker 4: he shows an example of it.

928
00:39:01,256 --> 00:39:07,456
Speaker 3: Peingos. He goes, here's what is this? Is this a

929
00:39:07,456 --> 00:39:10,696
Speaker 3: playgirl or something? He just like brought him to the side.

930
00:39:10,696 --> 00:39:12,496
Speaker 4: It just started and we got a video of all

931
00:39:12,536 --> 00:39:15,616
Speaker 4: of it and he catched the vocals a little bit.

932
00:39:15,656 --> 00:39:17,856
Speaker 4: But so we sat there for about ten minutes, just

933
00:39:17,856 --> 00:39:19,736
Speaker 4: trying to sell it, like, let's just get one pictures.

934
00:39:19,776 --> 00:39:20,456
Speaker 3: I'm not taking the.

935
00:39:22,136 --> 00:39:23,856
Speaker 4: So we got a picture of us with our shirts

936
00:39:23,856 --> 00:39:26,815
Speaker 4: all like being a silly and stuff, and he's there

937
00:39:26,856 --> 00:39:29,816
Speaker 4: like pissed off. And then you know, Wes is just

938
00:39:29,896 --> 00:39:32,736
Speaker 4: like the biggest scoofball, so he just he was the

939
00:39:32,776 --> 00:39:34,736
Speaker 4: one that lead the charge, and we felt like we're

940
00:39:34,816 --> 00:39:37,256
Speaker 4: just like these rookies in a sense to Peyton. So

941
00:39:37,376 --> 00:39:40,216
Speaker 4: like Wes was a developed or a veteran at the point,

942
00:39:40,376 --> 00:39:43,016
Speaker 4: just like he's he's he can do every once and

943
00:39:43,016 --> 00:39:44,856
Speaker 4: so we're just gonna follow his lead. And man, he

944
00:39:44,976 --> 00:39:48,056
Speaker 4: uh he let us down a fun path there for

945
00:39:48,176 --> 00:39:48,936
Speaker 4: that break.

946
00:39:49,256 --> 00:39:52,336
Speaker 1: Could you hang with Peyton outside of the locker room,

947
00:39:52,696 --> 00:39:54,456
Speaker 1: you know, you talk about t but was difficult because

948
00:39:54,496 --> 00:39:56,016
Speaker 1: that really wasn't his thing. Was Peyton a little more

949
00:39:56,056 --> 00:39:56,336
Speaker 1: like that.

950
00:39:56,816 --> 00:39:59,616
Speaker 4: He was he was Yeah, he was just the man's man.

951
00:39:59,696 --> 00:40:02,616
Speaker 4: So on the field, I mean he was a sheriff,

952
00:40:02,656 --> 00:40:05,776
Speaker 4: he was you know, very everything had to be perfect.

953
00:40:06,456 --> 00:40:08,216
Speaker 4: But off the field, he was a lot of fun.

954
00:40:08,216 --> 00:40:10,576
Speaker 4: He did a good job of getting guys to go

955
00:40:10,616 --> 00:40:15,576
Speaker 4: to dinner, spending time outside of the facility, and that's

956
00:40:15,576 --> 00:40:19,216
Speaker 4: what I appreciated about him is, you know, Peyton's just

957
00:40:19,216 --> 00:40:21,456
Speaker 4: just a good old boy in a sense, and so

958
00:40:22,816 --> 00:40:24,536
Speaker 4: I learned a lot on the field with him, but

959
00:40:24,536 --> 00:40:27,056
Speaker 4: I also enjoyed and learned a lot with them off

960
00:40:27,096 --> 00:40:27,456
Speaker 4: the field.

961
00:40:27,656 --> 00:40:30,056
Speaker 2: So you go from Denver, you got Peyton Manning, things

962
00:40:30,056 --> 00:40:32,296
Speaker 2: are rolling, and then you become a free agent.

963
00:40:32,096 --> 00:40:33,576
Speaker 3: And you decided to go to the Jets. What went

964
00:40:33,576 --> 00:40:34,296
Speaker 3: into that decision?

965
00:40:34,296 --> 00:40:37,016
Speaker 2: Where there are other opportunities and what was that transition

966
00:40:37,216 --> 00:40:40,856
Speaker 2: like going from where you were? Yep, with everything kind

967
00:40:40,856 --> 00:40:42,416
Speaker 2: of going in the right direction, but then.

968
00:40:42,336 --> 00:40:43,816
Speaker 1: You go to the Jets. Talk to us about that.

969
00:40:44,016 --> 00:40:46,936
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was tough. I love Denver. That was

970
00:40:47,056 --> 00:40:49,096
Speaker 4: kind of where my heart was and again home body.

971
00:40:49,136 --> 00:40:51,376
Speaker 4: I felt like I kind of started my community and

972
00:40:51,376 --> 00:40:53,336
Speaker 4: that's I had my first child, and that's where I

973
00:40:53,376 --> 00:40:56,176
Speaker 4: wanted to be. And I was willing to take you know,

974
00:40:56,936 --> 00:40:59,376
Speaker 4: a haircut on my contract and just to stay in

975
00:40:59,416 --> 00:41:02,336
Speaker 4: Denver because again I love the community.

976
00:41:02,336 --> 00:41:04,056
Speaker 3: But it's just it didn't work out with the.

977
00:41:04,016 --> 00:41:07,096
Speaker 4: Team and John Elway and so, uh as I was

978
00:41:07,136 --> 00:41:11,136
Speaker 4: shopping around, you know, that draft class is really good,

979
00:41:11,216 --> 00:41:14,256
Speaker 4: so I don't think teams are jumping at receivers. I

980
00:41:14,296 --> 00:41:16,096
Speaker 4: talked to Cleveland for a little bit. I thought actually

981
00:41:16,136 --> 00:41:17,176
Speaker 4: was going to Jacksonville.

982
00:41:18,256 --> 00:41:20,976
Speaker 3: Warm Weather. Warm Weather could have could have done it,

983
00:41:21,136 --> 00:41:21,896
Speaker 3: but you know, New.

984
00:41:21,856 --> 00:41:24,016
Speaker 1: York's it was just repulsed by I can't go somewhere

985
00:41:24,016 --> 00:41:25,576
Speaker 1: where it's over seventy in.

986
00:41:25,536 --> 00:41:30,336
Speaker 4: The north, in the North, and New York probably had

987
00:41:30,336 --> 00:41:32,416
Speaker 4: the most interest of time, and so I went there.

988
00:41:32,896 --> 00:41:34,616
Speaker 4: You know, I was in this this headspace, just had

989
00:41:34,616 --> 00:41:38,096
Speaker 4: a new baby, didn't know what to expect. I loved

990
00:41:38,096 --> 00:41:41,176
Speaker 4: the idea of New York. I thought Gino was that

991
00:41:41,336 --> 00:41:43,736
Speaker 4: like it was actually a player too, you know at

992
00:41:43,736 --> 00:41:46,216
Speaker 4: that time. And what I learned was, you know, as

993
00:41:46,256 --> 00:41:48,936
Speaker 4: he matured, he became a player, but he wasn't there yet.

994
00:41:50,016 --> 00:41:52,336
Speaker 4: So it was it was a crazy transition because when

995
00:41:52,336 --> 00:41:55,256
Speaker 4: you show up, expectations are so high. And John Iasick

996
00:41:55,376 --> 00:41:56,976
Speaker 4: was the GM at the time, and he's like, listen,

997
00:41:56,976 --> 00:41:59,776
Speaker 4: we got eighty million dollar cap. We're gonna go and

998
00:42:00,016 --> 00:42:03,016
Speaker 4: spend it. And I'm like, awesome, I'm on board for that.

999
00:42:03,136 --> 00:42:05,216
Speaker 4: Like I'll sign and be part of this team and

1000
00:42:06,176 --> 00:42:09,696
Speaker 4: end up signed really no one else. And I'm to

1001
00:42:09,736 --> 00:42:11,976
Speaker 4: be honest, not a number one receiver, you know, I'm

1002
00:42:11,976 --> 00:42:14,896
Speaker 4: not a Demarus Thomas or Julio Jones or you know,

1003
00:42:14,936 --> 00:42:16,576
Speaker 4: any of those guys at the time. So I'm like, well,

1004
00:42:16,616 --> 00:42:19,656
Speaker 4: I need, you know, my batman, you know, I mean,

1005
00:42:19,736 --> 00:42:21,536
Speaker 4: my guy that I'm going to play with. And they

1006
00:42:21,536 --> 00:42:24,296
Speaker 4: didn't bring anyone in. I really no skill guys they

1007
00:42:24,296 --> 00:42:28,456
Speaker 4: brought in. So it was a tough transition, but it was,

1008
00:42:28,776 --> 00:42:31,096
Speaker 4: you know, a growing experience for me just to be

1009
00:42:31,216 --> 00:42:34,296
Speaker 4: part of a new team with some veteran guys in

1010
00:42:34,336 --> 00:42:36,416
Speaker 4: the line and defense that have been there for ten

1011
00:42:36,536 --> 00:42:39,776
Speaker 4: ten years. But uh yeah, I love Dever. I would

1012
00:42:39,776 --> 00:42:41,776
Speaker 4: have stayed there my whole whole career, but it's part

1013
00:42:41,816 --> 00:42:42,216
Speaker 4: of the game.

1014
00:42:42,576 --> 00:42:44,536
Speaker 1: Did you feel like the media in New York Did

1015
00:42:44,616 --> 00:42:46,216
Speaker 1: you feel immediately that it was.

1016
00:42:46,216 --> 00:42:47,856
Speaker 3: Different, tremendously different.

1017
00:42:47,976 --> 00:42:48,296
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1018
00:42:48,496 --> 00:42:52,216
Speaker 4: I mean we had Tebow and the polarizing experience that year,

1019
00:42:52,656 --> 00:42:55,536
Speaker 4: Peyton comes into the town again, media frenzy, but it's

1020
00:42:55,616 --> 00:42:58,216
Speaker 4: a different type of media than it is in New York.

1021
00:42:58,336 --> 00:43:01,336
Speaker 4: And obviously Page six or the press that New York

1022
00:43:01,936 --> 00:43:05,336
Speaker 4: can garnish was was different for sure. And at that point,

1023
00:43:05,416 --> 00:43:07,936
Speaker 4: went I had a reality show for a couple of years,

1024
00:43:07,976 --> 00:43:10,096
Speaker 4: and so that was, you know, another pop culture. They're

1025
00:43:10,096 --> 00:43:12,416
Speaker 4: going to pull from and try to ruffle the feathers

1026
00:43:12,416 --> 00:43:12,936
Speaker 4: a little bit.

1027
00:43:14,136 --> 00:43:16,416
Speaker 3: You started that when you're in New York. So no,

1028
00:43:16,576 --> 00:43:17,616
Speaker 3: that was in Denver.

1029
00:43:18,256 --> 00:43:21,416
Speaker 1: You started reality television show and you know I had

1030
00:43:21,456 --> 00:43:23,176
Speaker 1: a show with Jesse. Yes, I remember that.

1031
00:43:23,216 --> 00:43:26,296
Speaker 4: I didn't know it was my last year up to

1032
00:43:26,376 --> 00:43:29,616
Speaker 4: our wedding, well our wedding and to having Vivi. You

1033
00:43:29,656 --> 00:43:32,816
Speaker 4: know what's so crazy about reality TV is so the

1034
00:43:32,856 --> 00:43:35,336
Speaker 4: super Bowl year we were filming, but we stopped filming

1035
00:43:35,896 --> 00:43:40,176
Speaker 4: like January February playoffs and super Bowl and we had

1036
00:43:40,176 --> 00:43:43,096
Speaker 4: to go back and film like we're like me and

1037
00:43:43,176 --> 00:43:44,976
Speaker 4: de Marius went and acting like.

1038
00:43:44,896 --> 00:43:45,776
Speaker 3: We're going to the super Bowl.

1039
00:43:45,976 --> 00:43:49,856
Speaker 1: We had a film like we're.

1040
00:43:49,696 --> 00:43:51,816
Speaker 3: Gonna get this done. Oh man. So it's just like

1041
00:43:51,856 --> 00:43:55,216
Speaker 3: how did you do that? I mean, it's just a job.

1042
00:43:55,216 --> 00:43:57,136
Speaker 3: You show up when you go let's let's do it.

1043
00:43:57,136 --> 00:43:59,376
Speaker 3: So there's some acting involved in that and that type

1044
00:43:59,376 --> 00:44:01,416
Speaker 3: of reality for sure, there is, yes.

1045
00:44:01,136 --> 00:44:03,456
Speaker 1: And even if there's even if it's real, just from

1046
00:44:03,456 --> 00:44:07,096
Speaker 1: my experience doing a few things, it's set up in

1047
00:44:07,136 --> 00:44:09,016
Speaker 1: a way of even if you're not acting, they're putting

1048
00:44:09,016 --> 00:44:10,416
Speaker 1: you in a place that they want you to be.

1049
00:44:10,776 --> 00:44:12,696
Speaker 1: So they're getting a result that they want.

1050
00:44:13,416 --> 00:44:15,736
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's very structured. We actually just fired

1051
00:44:15,776 --> 00:44:18,776
Speaker 4: the first production team because they were like, let's let's

1052
00:44:18,816 --> 00:44:21,296
Speaker 4: try to like crate some fights here, and like, no,

1053
00:44:21,416 --> 00:44:23,816
Speaker 4: that's not the story that I want to tell. But

1054
00:44:23,976 --> 00:44:26,376
Speaker 4: leading up to a wedding, you're gonna get your you know,

1055
00:44:26,656 --> 00:44:31,096
Speaker 4: food tasting, your venue spot, you know, flowers, you can

1056
00:44:31,136 --> 00:44:32,736
Speaker 4: do all the things that lead up to a wedding.

1057
00:44:32,736 --> 00:44:34,216
Speaker 4: Well that's why they put us in the spot and

1058
00:44:34,216 --> 00:44:37,336
Speaker 4: everything within that. It's organic and they pay for that.

1059
00:44:37,696 --> 00:44:40,576
Speaker 4: They pay for all of the Yeah, thank you. Yeah,

1060
00:44:40,616 --> 00:44:42,336
Speaker 4: but it's definitely like a job. You show up and

1061
00:44:42,336 --> 00:44:43,656
Speaker 4: you kind of got a sheet like all right, we're

1062
00:44:43,656 --> 00:44:46,416
Speaker 4: gonna hit you know, one, two, three, four things today

1063
00:44:46,696 --> 00:44:47,576
Speaker 4: and ready.

1064
00:44:47,336 --> 00:44:48,456
Speaker 1: Got to finish it in time so you can get

1065
00:44:48,456 --> 00:44:50,496
Speaker 1: to the next thing. Yeah, so they can set up.

1066
00:44:50,616 --> 00:44:52,456
Speaker 1: You should get your show. It's fun. Hell no, you

1067
00:44:52,456 --> 00:44:55,016
Speaker 1: don't want to show you don't there to just show.

1068
00:44:54,856 --> 00:44:56,416
Speaker 3: Me in the spur van picking up kids. Good in

1069
00:44:57,456 --> 00:44:58,696
Speaker 3: who do you want the conflict with today?

1070
00:44:58,736 --> 00:45:02,616
Speaker 1: Don't worry conflicts versus each other with their forty two kids.

1071
00:45:02,976 --> 00:45:05,096
Speaker 2: Yeah, like my oldest son's got my other son a

1072
00:45:05,096 --> 00:45:06,336
Speaker 2: headline don't stop it.

1073
00:45:07,096 --> 00:45:08,976
Speaker 1: I would feel if I were in New York, or

1074
00:45:09,016 --> 00:45:11,296
Speaker 1: if I were anywhere and I was led to believe

1075
00:45:11,376 --> 00:45:12,816
Speaker 1: that I was coming in and they were going to

1076
00:45:13,376 --> 00:45:15,336
Speaker 1: give put weapons around me, and they did not put

1077
00:45:15,376 --> 00:45:17,536
Speaker 1: weapons around me, I would feel there would be resentment

1078
00:45:17,536 --> 00:45:19,376
Speaker 1: building in me from the beginning, even if I didn't

1079
00:45:19,416 --> 00:45:21,056
Speaker 1: want it to be. If they were like or if

1080
00:45:21,056 --> 00:45:22,136
Speaker 1: I were like they were like, hey, we're going to

1081
00:45:22,176 --> 00:45:23,976
Speaker 1: build you a podcast studio, and we're going to invest

1082
00:45:24,016 --> 00:45:25,936
Speaker 1: all this money in you, and they gave me one microphone,

1083
00:45:25,976 --> 00:45:28,256
Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, no, you promised me all this technology.

1084
00:45:28,696 --> 00:45:30,936
Speaker 1: I feel like I would be resentful of that. Did

1085
00:45:30,976 --> 00:45:32,016
Speaker 1: you feel that a bit in New York?

1086
00:45:32,576 --> 00:45:32,736
Speaker 3: Why?

1087
00:45:32,896 --> 00:45:37,016
Speaker 4: I would say, you know, it was disappointing, Like Rex

1088
00:45:37,096 --> 00:45:39,456
Speaker 4: Ryan again was the reason why I went there. Rex

1089
00:45:39,536 --> 00:45:42,096
Speaker 4: is an awesome guy, and I think he's a player's coach,

1090
00:45:42,616 --> 00:45:44,616
Speaker 4: and you know, he kind of was handcuffed that year.

1091
00:45:44,696 --> 00:45:46,976
Speaker 4: I mean, so he got he got fired, and I

1092
00:45:47,056 --> 00:45:49,896
Speaker 4: think that was like, did I make the right choice

1093
00:45:49,976 --> 00:45:53,656
Speaker 4: kind of conversation, And you know, I'm a loyalist. I'm

1094
00:45:53,696 --> 00:45:57,496
Speaker 4: sticking to the decision I made. But definitely with disappointment,

1095
00:45:57,616 --> 00:46:00,376
Speaker 4: not necessarily resentment, but disappointment and thinking like, hey, well

1096
00:46:00,776 --> 00:46:03,176
Speaker 4: you say one thing, do what you say. You know,

1097
00:46:03,216 --> 00:46:05,856
Speaker 4: that's just one person kind of leading the charges GM

1098
00:46:05,376 --> 00:46:09,216
Speaker 4: and everyone else doesn't really have much say in that.

1099
00:46:09,376 --> 00:46:14,056
Speaker 4: So year two, you know, we had regime change. Todd

1100
00:46:14,096 --> 00:46:17,016
Speaker 4: Bowles come in. I love Todd, and you know, we

1101
00:46:17,056 --> 00:46:18,815
Speaker 4: started to build the team up. We had a great

1102
00:46:18,816 --> 00:46:21,136
Speaker 4: defense at the time, so we always were in games.

1103
00:46:21,176 --> 00:46:23,496
Speaker 4: Just that we needed some skill players and started spending

1104
00:46:23,496 --> 00:46:25,736
Speaker 4: a little bit more on the skilled guys. Brandon Marshall

1105
00:46:25,776 --> 00:46:29,456
Speaker 4: came in, uh, and you know, we made kind of

1106
00:46:30,216 --> 00:46:32,456
Speaker 4: the changes that were supposed to happen the year prior.

1107
00:46:32,616 --> 00:46:34,736
Speaker 2: Was brand Marshall one of the more intimidating human beings

1108
00:46:34,776 --> 00:46:35,776
Speaker 2: you've ever met in your life.

1109
00:46:35,776 --> 00:46:36,976
Speaker 1: Oh man, because.

1110
00:46:36,736 --> 00:46:40,376
Speaker 2: I see him and he is a man, he had one,

1111
00:46:40,416 --> 00:46:42,736
Speaker 2: but too he's got the personality like I don't want

1112
00:46:42,776 --> 00:46:43,616
Speaker 2: to take this guy out.

1113
00:46:44,736 --> 00:46:49,856
Speaker 4: He's he's a beautiful person because initially I was intimidated

1114
00:46:49,896 --> 00:46:52,616
Speaker 4: and scared of him because you know, which is read

1115
00:46:52,696 --> 00:46:55,456
Speaker 4: from prior and just you know, kind of his stature.

1116
00:46:55,456 --> 00:46:58,096
Speaker 3: He's a big guy and he can carry.

1117
00:46:57,936 --> 00:47:01,216
Speaker 4: Himself in a kind of like whoa you know, polarizing way,

1118
00:47:01,256 --> 00:47:05,616
Speaker 4: but he's super deep, like he is, like he knows

1119
00:47:05,656 --> 00:47:08,176
Speaker 4: who he is. He's done a lot of work on himself.

1120
00:47:09,056 --> 00:47:13,056
Speaker 4: He's very smart, and we had so many good conversations

1121
00:47:13,136 --> 00:47:15,376
Speaker 4: in the receiver room. So we bonded and had a

1122
00:47:15,376 --> 00:47:18,496
Speaker 4: really good relationship. But initially I was definitely scared of him.

1123
00:47:19,416 --> 00:47:21,616
Speaker 4: And he plays that way on the field. I mean

1124
00:47:21,656 --> 00:47:23,976
Speaker 4: he he has a screw loose, I'm sure, but you know,

1125
00:47:24,016 --> 00:47:27,216
Speaker 4: he goes crazy and it's fun to be on his

1126
00:47:27,376 --> 00:47:28,696
Speaker 4: side and not on the other side.

1127
00:47:29,296 --> 00:47:31,216
Speaker 1: How'd you end up in Nashville, Tennessee.

1128
00:47:32,136 --> 00:47:36,976
Speaker 4: Yeah, so with the Titans, well, New York. Let's see

1129
00:47:36,976 --> 00:47:39,376
Speaker 4: my third year going in my fourth year, I was

1130
00:47:39,376 --> 00:47:41,376
Speaker 4: there all the way through mini camp and so I

1131
00:47:41,456 --> 00:47:46,336
Speaker 4: had season any injuries with my hip and my shoulder,

1132
00:47:46,336 --> 00:47:48,736
Speaker 4: I had surgery on and so I recover. I get

1133
00:47:48,776 --> 00:47:52,216
Speaker 4: to end of kind of off season workouts, mini camp,

1134
00:47:52,496 --> 00:47:54,936
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, Lee Johnson decides he wants

1135
00:47:54,976 --> 00:47:57,656
Speaker 4: to cut everyone over the age of thirty. So it's

1136
00:47:57,696 --> 00:48:02,736
Speaker 4: like June fourteenth, fifteenth, somewhere in that range, and we

1137
00:48:02,776 --> 00:48:05,856
Speaker 4: all get canned, and like, Gray, that's that's awesome. So

1138
00:48:06,616 --> 00:48:09,296
Speaker 4: talked to my agent, like, where are the options where

1139
00:48:09,296 --> 00:48:11,376
Speaker 4: can I go? And Tennessee was home at the time.

1140
00:48:11,416 --> 00:48:14,816
Speaker 4: We've been in Tennessee since twenty eleven, so this is

1141
00:48:15,016 --> 00:48:17,696
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen. I'm like, it'd be great to play close

1142
00:48:17,736 --> 00:48:22,176
Speaker 4: to home. Well, John Robinson was with the Patriots, who

1143
00:48:22,456 --> 00:48:24,776
Speaker 4: you know at the time originally was looking to draft

1144
00:48:24,816 --> 00:48:29,296
Speaker 4: me in twenty ten, and we just kind of hit

1145
00:48:29,376 --> 00:48:32,536
Speaker 4: it off. It worked out they had needed the extra receiver,

1146
00:48:32,656 --> 00:48:35,816
Speaker 4: and so I talked to you a few different teams,

1147
00:48:35,816 --> 00:48:38,136
Speaker 4: but that was kind of who I was focusing on

1148
00:48:38,176 --> 00:48:39,416
Speaker 4: because I wanted to be close to home.

1149
00:48:39,496 --> 00:48:41,296
Speaker 1: That feel good to be able to play here at home.

1150
00:48:41,656 --> 00:48:43,016
Speaker 4: It was and that was awesome. I mean I was

1151
00:48:43,056 --> 00:48:45,136
Speaker 4: actually feeling the best I've felt for a long time,

1152
00:48:45,136 --> 00:48:49,656
Speaker 4: probably since the Super Bowl year physically, and then you know,

1153
00:48:49,736 --> 00:48:52,096
Speaker 4: just the excitement of being home, sitting in my own bed,

1154
00:48:52,696 --> 00:48:54,096
Speaker 4: my own house, and be able to you know, go

1155
00:48:54,136 --> 00:48:56,936
Speaker 4: to work and kind of have that balance. And then

1156
00:48:57,176 --> 00:48:59,336
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of familiar faces in the locker room.

1157
00:49:00,296 --> 00:49:03,616
Speaker 4: We're really helpful in that transition, especially late, because it's

1158
00:49:03,616 --> 00:49:07,336
Speaker 4: just I jumped right into training camp and then you know,

1159
00:49:07,416 --> 00:49:09,896
Speaker 4: unfortunately again got hurt in training camp. Was like the

1160
00:49:09,896 --> 00:49:11,936
Speaker 4: story of my life towards the end of my career,

1161
00:49:12,776 --> 00:49:15,056
Speaker 4: so it was like a very volatile year for me.

1162
00:49:15,096 --> 00:49:16,616
Speaker 4: I mean, it was tough, probably the worst year I

1163
00:49:16,656 --> 00:49:20,096
Speaker 4: ever had in terms of life performance and stuff. But

1164
00:49:20,336 --> 00:49:23,216
Speaker 4: just it was great to be again around a lot

1165
00:49:23,256 --> 00:49:25,376
Speaker 4: of guys that I'm friends with life now because we

1166
00:49:25,416 --> 00:49:27,416
Speaker 4: have kids the same age and kids go to school together,

1167
00:49:27,456 --> 00:49:31,416
Speaker 4: and so I got to share life in the locker

1168
00:49:31,456 --> 00:49:32,216
Speaker 4: room with these fellows.

1169
00:49:32,456 --> 00:49:33,936
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy about that season.

1170
00:49:33,936 --> 00:49:35,536
Speaker 2: Like you said, you get hurt going in training camp,

1171
00:49:35,576 --> 00:49:37,176
Speaker 2: and a lot of people don't understand how tough that

1172
00:49:37,296 --> 00:49:39,816
Speaker 2: is for especially skilled players and wide receiver in particular,

1173
00:49:40,176 --> 00:49:42,416
Speaker 2: just from conditioning all that. But I will remember remember

1174
00:49:42,416 --> 00:49:44,456
Speaker 2: the first game, I think it was the first game,

1175
00:49:44,856 --> 00:49:47,016
Speaker 2: and so we used to do this thing where if

1176
00:49:47,056 --> 00:49:49,216
Speaker 2: it was even numbers, whether it's protection, say it was

1177
00:49:49,256 --> 00:49:52,296
Speaker 2: sixty four, it was seventy four, whatever it might be.

1178
00:49:52,576 --> 00:49:54,776
Speaker 2: Or if it's a run, say it's the thirties, thirty eight,

1179
00:49:54,816 --> 00:49:56,776
Speaker 2: thirty six, that's all on two.

1180
00:49:57,296 --> 00:49:59,896
Speaker 3: If it's an odd number, it's on one.

1181
00:50:00,496 --> 00:50:04,256
Speaker 2: So we get up there and it's early in the game,

1182
00:50:04,736 --> 00:50:07,256
Speaker 2: and we call an even number one, which means it's

1183
00:50:07,296 --> 00:50:09,176
Speaker 2: on two. But if you haven't done it. Like you

1184
00:50:09,216 --> 00:50:10,936
Speaker 2: should have seen during the off season, guys are jumping

1185
00:50:10,936 --> 00:50:13,096
Speaker 2: off all the time. Well, Deck's out there looking at

1186
00:50:13,136 --> 00:50:17,576
Speaker 2: the ball and it's lady. Lady said, right, it's on two.

1187
00:50:17,616 --> 00:50:18,336
Speaker 2: He jumps on one.

1188
00:50:18,576 --> 00:50:21,176
Speaker 3: He comes over the sideline and it's a funny thing.

1189
00:50:21,216 --> 00:50:21,656
Speaker 1: He looks at me.

1190
00:50:21,696 --> 00:50:24,136
Speaker 3: He goes, cass, when do you know what's on two?

1191
00:50:24,176 --> 00:50:25,296
Speaker 3: And when do you know it's on one?

1192
00:50:25,816 --> 00:50:28,936
Speaker 2: Because we would not call Cadence in the middle, it

1193
00:50:29,056 --> 00:50:32,216
Speaker 2: was now assumed that because of the process of going

1194
00:50:32,216 --> 00:50:35,296
Speaker 2: through it in the repetitions that we had during the

1195
00:50:35,336 --> 00:50:38,456
Speaker 2: off season, which they weren't, that he wasn't He wasn't

1196
00:50:38,496 --> 00:50:40,776
Speaker 2: part of it to a certain extent, right, but not

1197
00:50:40,776 --> 00:50:41,776
Speaker 2: not surely.

1198
00:50:42,056 --> 00:50:43,896
Speaker 1: So he goes, how do you know it's on two

1199
00:50:43,936 --> 00:50:45,696
Speaker 1: and one? I said, what the.

1200
00:50:47,256 --> 00:50:49,096
Speaker 3: He's like, dude, I missing a lot of training camp.

1201
00:50:49,136 --> 00:50:52,216
Speaker 3: I was like, even numbers on two, odd numbers on one.

1202
00:50:52,256 --> 00:50:54,815
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, I got it.

1203
00:50:55,016 --> 00:50:57,936
Speaker 1: Thanks. Was that a hard decision to go I'm done?

1204
00:50:59,016 --> 00:50:59,496
Speaker 3: Uh?

1205
00:51:00,056 --> 00:51:03,136
Speaker 4: At the time, No, I think after I processed it

1206
00:51:03,416 --> 00:51:07,536
Speaker 4: and walked away six months later, probably yes, because I

1207
00:51:07,576 --> 00:51:08,816
Speaker 4: think I still had more of the tank. But I

1208
00:51:08,816 --> 00:51:12,056
Speaker 4: think I was so emotionally and mentally checked out from

1209
00:51:12,176 --> 00:51:14,696
Speaker 4: all the injuries in the last three years of my

1210
00:51:14,736 --> 00:51:17,456
Speaker 4: career that I just I didn't want to do it,

1211
00:51:17,496 --> 00:51:19,016
Speaker 4: you know. And I went to New England the year

1212
00:51:19,056 --> 00:51:21,776
Speaker 4: they won the Super Bowl and it was like that

1213
00:51:21,896 --> 00:51:25,176
Speaker 4: was actually like the Frosting and the cake Bilichick camp

1214
00:51:25,376 --> 00:51:26,296
Speaker 4: at Cage.

1215
00:51:25,976 --> 00:51:27,096
Speaker 3: Of thirty three.

1216
00:51:27,736 --> 00:51:30,096
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't think I have it, you know,

1217
00:51:30,096 --> 00:51:32,576
Speaker 4: I'm banging heads with these twenty two year olds. I'm like,

1218
00:51:33,256 --> 00:51:35,616
Speaker 4: I'm used to like the that car, Like I stand

1219
00:51:35,616 --> 00:51:38,216
Speaker 4: on the sideline get ready for the season. And it

1220
00:51:38,336 --> 00:51:40,536
Speaker 4: was the reality of I don't think I was all in,

1221
00:51:40,896 --> 00:51:43,336
Speaker 4: you know, mentally and physically, and I was kind of

1222
00:51:43,376 --> 00:51:45,976
Speaker 4: already halfway checked out. I had my third child at

1223
00:51:46,016 --> 00:51:48,656
Speaker 4: the time back in Nashville and just was missing my family.

1224
00:51:48,696 --> 00:51:52,856
Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean it was it was again easy

1225
00:51:52,856 --> 00:51:55,336
Speaker 4: at the time I decided to retire, but then it

1226
00:51:55,376 --> 00:51:57,496
Speaker 4: was super hard at six months after.

1227
00:51:57,536 --> 00:52:01,096
Speaker 3: It was like, did I really give it everything I had?

1228
00:52:01,896 --> 00:52:04,815
Speaker 3: But do you have any regrets looking back? I don't

1229
00:52:04,856 --> 00:52:08,576
Speaker 3: now know me. I think I've worked through all that.

1230
00:52:08,616 --> 00:52:11,376
Speaker 4: I think I think I struggle with, you know, losing

1231
00:52:11,376 --> 00:52:14,296
Speaker 4: the game and the sense losing my identity and uh

1232
00:52:14,616 --> 00:52:18,456
Speaker 4: what my value in the sense was. But now as

1233
00:52:18,616 --> 00:52:21,096
Speaker 4: I guess, you know, five years longer than that, seven

1234
00:52:21,176 --> 00:52:24,256
Speaker 4: years out and just more of a mature person. It

1235
00:52:24,336 --> 00:52:26,496
Speaker 4: was the right time. You know, I made the right decision,

1236
00:52:26,856 --> 00:52:29,376
Speaker 4: and I'm happy with my decision. I don't regret anything.

1237
00:52:29,616 --> 00:52:31,096
Speaker 3: What's it like being a sex symbol?

1238
00:52:31,376 --> 00:52:32,976
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because it seems like you guys get it

1239
00:52:33,016 --> 00:52:34,656
Speaker 1: on all the time too. They're just kids popping out,

1240
00:52:34,656 --> 00:52:37,056
Speaker 1: Like every time I load it up, there's a new

1241
00:52:37,096 --> 00:52:38,936
Speaker 1: baby baby.

1242
00:52:39,056 --> 00:52:40,816
Speaker 4: Just a piece of meat. Well, I'm with Castles. I

1243
00:52:40,816 --> 00:52:42,536
Speaker 4: gotta try to keep up. You know, he's got he's

1244
00:52:42,576 --> 00:52:43,856
Speaker 4: got that sprinder van for old kids.

1245
00:52:43,896 --> 00:52:47,736
Speaker 3: I gotta that's the goal. I don't Yeah, I guess

1246
00:52:47,816 --> 00:52:47,976
Speaker 3: you know.

1247
00:52:48,056 --> 00:52:50,936
Speaker 4: Really my wife is is my sugar mama, and she's

1248
00:52:50,976 --> 00:52:53,696
Speaker 4: the social queen. So I'm just a piece of meat, Bobby,

1249
00:52:53,696 --> 00:52:54,256
Speaker 4: It's all I am.

1250
00:52:55,016 --> 00:52:56,855
Speaker 1: I wish I could be a piece of meat once

1251
00:52:56,896 --> 00:52:58,416
Speaker 1: in my life, being a piece of meat.

1252
00:52:59,016 --> 00:52:59,776
Speaker 3: Ye, that's what I'm saying.

1253
00:52:59,816 --> 00:53:02,016
Speaker 1: Like I'm like quiz bowl. You know, I've had to

1254
00:53:02,056 --> 00:53:04,656
Speaker 1: do my whole life there. So I know. You guys

1255
00:53:04,656 --> 00:53:08,576
Speaker 1: did the the show the Special Special Forces, and it

1256
00:53:08,576 --> 00:53:12,456
Speaker 1: reminds me because Randall's over here. Yeah, so that's that

1257
00:53:12,576 --> 00:53:13,416
Speaker 1: looked like a tough show.

1258
00:53:13,536 --> 00:53:14,136
Speaker 3: It was hard.

1259
00:53:14,376 --> 00:53:16,335
Speaker 1: How hard was it for real? Because we talked about

1260
00:53:16,416 --> 00:53:18,656
Speaker 1: we've both done reality stuff and we know some of

1261
00:53:18,696 --> 00:53:22,416
Speaker 1: it's weirder, harder, easier than what you actually see. What

1262
00:53:22,496 --> 00:53:23,176
Speaker 1: was that show? Really?

1263
00:53:23,296 --> 00:53:26,296
Speaker 4: That was a real show with reality, I guess in

1264
00:53:26,296 --> 00:53:30,176
Speaker 4: a sense tied to it. I mean everything they put

1265
00:53:30,256 --> 00:53:33,416
Speaker 4: us through it was like real training, you know, of

1266
00:53:33,456 --> 00:53:35,576
Speaker 4: what they would do. Now, there was like hiccups sometimes

1267
00:53:35,576 --> 00:53:38,536
Speaker 4: with production or Hay's twelve hour break. You know, we

1268
00:53:38,536 --> 00:53:41,296
Speaker 4: need our camera guys to take a lunch break or union.

1269
00:53:41,296 --> 00:53:44,056
Speaker 4: They got to take twelve hour break. So we're sitting

1270
00:53:44,096 --> 00:53:47,936
Speaker 4: there on a cliff for like three hours because they

1271
00:53:47,936 --> 00:53:50,736
Speaker 4: got to take lunch break. Cool, how about some water

1272
00:53:50,856 --> 00:53:54,256
Speaker 4: up there? No, but it was it was intense. I

1273
00:53:54,336 --> 00:53:57,456
Speaker 4: mean the drill sergeants, now that you know, we got

1274
00:53:57,536 --> 00:53:59,855
Speaker 4: to know them after the show, they're really good people

1275
00:53:59,936 --> 00:54:03,136
Speaker 4: and what they've accomplished in their life is amazing. You know,

1276
00:54:03,136 --> 00:54:05,855
Speaker 4: I got so much respect for the military of women

1277
00:54:06,256 --> 00:54:08,576
Speaker 4: in our country. And there's a couple of UK guys too,

1278
00:54:09,536 --> 00:54:13,096
Speaker 4: of how they represented what they sacrifices they made because

1279
00:54:13,296 --> 00:54:15,296
Speaker 4: we got just a little taste of it and it

1280
00:54:15,336 --> 00:54:19,856
Speaker 4: was real. I'm telling you this last show on Thursday

1281
00:54:19,896 --> 00:54:22,936
Speaker 4: with the tunnels, I mean that that was like something

1282
00:54:22,936 --> 00:54:23,536
Speaker 4: I've never.

1283
00:54:23,416 --> 00:54:25,096
Speaker 3: Done, would never want to do again.

1284
00:54:25,216 --> 00:54:27,536
Speaker 4: I mean, I've got PTSD if I ever get into

1285
00:54:27,576 --> 00:54:30,936
Speaker 4: like an MRI too now, just because tight quarters and

1286
00:54:30,936 --> 00:54:33,576
Speaker 4: getting stuck and he saw Johnny he tapped out and

1287
00:54:33,656 --> 00:54:38,456
Speaker 4: he just panicked. But the next couple episodes you'll see

1288
00:54:38,496 --> 00:54:41,856
Speaker 4: just I think it's the mental part of it. I mean, physically, yes,

1289
00:54:41,976 --> 00:54:46,815
Speaker 4: we can endure these exercises, but it's it's like from

1290
00:54:46,856 --> 00:54:48,936
Speaker 4: five am and not knowing what you're doing all the

1291
00:54:48,936 --> 00:54:51,656
Speaker 4: way till midnight, basically till they turn the lights off,

1292
00:54:51,696 --> 00:54:53,256
Speaker 4: because they could pull you out eleven thirty and put

1293
00:54:53,296 --> 00:54:56,136
Speaker 4: you through this beasting, which is a night workout. So

1294
00:54:56,576 --> 00:54:59,096
Speaker 4: it's like that cortisol rush is just always going and

1295
00:54:59,136 --> 00:55:02,016
Speaker 4: so you're just mentally, emotionally kind of fatigued. And so

1296
00:55:02,136 --> 00:55:04,576
Speaker 4: that was the hardest thing. The balance was just like,

1297
00:55:04,576 --> 00:55:07,336
Speaker 4: all right, we're here, let's let's get to lunch. I

1298
00:55:07,376 --> 00:55:09,536
Speaker 4: know probably Randall said that because he always said it

1299
00:55:09,576 --> 00:55:11,896
Speaker 4: on the show. Let's get to lunch, Let's get to dinner,

1300
00:55:11,936 --> 00:55:13,496
Speaker 4: Let's get to the next thing. Because that's all you.

1301
00:55:13,456 --> 00:55:16,056
Speaker 3: Could really droll. That's all you really know is that

1302
00:55:16,096 --> 00:55:18,936
Speaker 3: they got to feed you. So just show up and get.

1303
00:55:20,216 --> 00:55:22,296
Speaker 1: Why'd you do the show? Who do they come to

1304
00:55:22,336 --> 00:55:23,776
Speaker 1: both of you? They go to Jesse, they go to you.

1305
00:55:23,856 --> 00:55:24,336
Speaker 3: What happened?

1306
00:55:24,376 --> 00:55:28,016
Speaker 4: So actually the first year they did it, they asked

1307
00:55:28,016 --> 00:55:29,656
Speaker 4: if I wanted to do it, and she was on tours.

1308
00:55:29,656 --> 00:55:32,456
Speaker 4: I couldn't, and so Danny Amadola got cast in and

1309
00:55:32,536 --> 00:55:35,296
Speaker 4: he did awesome, and I've always wanted to do it again,

1310
00:55:35,376 --> 00:55:36,856
Speaker 4: and I just kind of was like a has been

1311
00:55:36,936 --> 00:55:38,816
Speaker 4: so I couldn't get on it. But they started doing

1312
00:55:39,416 --> 00:55:42,936
Speaker 4: the couple dynamic, and so Andrew and Sean got asked,

1313
00:55:42,976 --> 00:55:47,776
Speaker 4: and then uh Housewives and Gia got asked to do it,

1314
00:55:47,816 --> 00:55:49,656
Speaker 4: and they needed another couple. So originally it was like

1315
00:55:49,656 --> 00:55:51,056
Speaker 4: ten days out from the show. I think we were

1316
00:55:51,136 --> 00:55:53,496
Speaker 4: kind of a filler and we're like, now we can't

1317
00:55:53,536 --> 00:55:55,256
Speaker 4: do it. We had a trip to Italy planed and

1318
00:55:55,256 --> 00:55:58,376
Speaker 4: it was like to move all those things was a lot,

1319
00:55:58,496 --> 00:56:00,936
Speaker 4: and so we said no, they want two different couple.

1320
00:56:01,496 --> 00:56:01,976
Speaker 3: They said no.

1321
00:56:02,096 --> 00:56:05,056
Speaker 4: It came back to us like a week out and

1322
00:56:05,416 --> 00:56:07,336
Speaker 4: we're like, you know what, I've always wanted to do.

1323
00:56:07,376 --> 00:56:09,096
Speaker 4: This is the once in the lifetime thing. Let's let's

1324
00:56:09,136 --> 00:56:11,576
Speaker 4: just do it. Cause I always wanted to challenge myself

1325
00:56:12,016 --> 00:56:14,336
Speaker 4: in a different way. I just felt like not having football,

1326
00:56:14,816 --> 00:56:17,776
Speaker 4: you know, obviously very fortunate and grateful for my life,

1327
00:56:17,816 --> 00:56:20,176
Speaker 4: but just I needed something to have that kind of

1328
00:56:20,496 --> 00:56:21,536
Speaker 4: locker room feel.

1329
00:56:21,776 --> 00:56:22,696
Speaker 3: And so this was that.

1330
00:56:22,696 --> 00:56:25,976
Speaker 4: Opportunity to challenge myself and luckily I got just on

1331
00:56:26,096 --> 00:56:28,976
Speaker 4: board to do it. Who I saw so much grit

1332
00:56:29,056 --> 00:56:31,496
Speaker 4: that I've never seen before. It was really fun. So

1333
00:56:31,576 --> 00:56:32,656
Speaker 4: that was the reason why.

1334
00:56:32,616 --> 00:56:35,056
Speaker 1: I did Bear Girls with my wife. I did it myself.

1335
00:56:35,856 --> 00:56:37,216
Speaker 1: I did it by myself and bar and I went

1336
00:56:37,256 --> 00:56:39,336
Speaker 1: to Norway and it was a really good episode, so

1337
00:56:39,416 --> 00:56:42,216
Speaker 1: much Nat Joe offered me my own show from that episode.

1338
00:56:42,456 --> 00:56:44,096
Speaker 1: But before that show launched, they were like, hey, I

1339
00:56:44,136 --> 00:56:45,656
Speaker 1: want you to come back and do Bear Girls again.

1340
00:56:45,696 --> 00:56:48,056
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I did it. I don't like,

1341
00:56:48,496 --> 00:56:50,576
Speaker 1: I don't like dying and stuff like, it wasn't my thing.

1342
00:56:50,856 --> 00:56:54,096
Speaker 1: I just and I said, I've already told my whole story,

1343
00:56:54,096 --> 00:56:56,136
Speaker 1: like there's nothing for me to do. And they said, well,

1344
00:56:56,136 --> 00:56:59,136
Speaker 1: bring your fiance my fiance. There was no chance I

1345
00:56:59,176 --> 00:57:00,616
Speaker 1: was getting around the show, like, no chance. She does

1346
00:57:00,696 --> 00:57:02,616
Speaker 1: not like to do things in the public, no interest.

1347
00:57:02,656 --> 00:57:04,256
Speaker 1: She didn't like to be on social media much less

1348
00:57:04,256 --> 00:57:06,016
Speaker 1: she's gotta go on a Disney plus you know, net

1349
00:57:06,016 --> 00:57:09,216
Speaker 1: geo show. And so we were getting on the plane

1350
00:57:09,696 --> 00:57:12,736
Speaker 1: from another event and I was like, hey, and I

1351
00:57:12,736 --> 00:57:14,096
Speaker 1: didn't want to ask, you know how you just don't

1352
00:57:14,096 --> 00:57:16,136
Speaker 1: even want to ask, like you have to ask. And

1353
00:57:16,176 --> 00:57:20,016
Speaker 1: I was like, they want And she had just been

1354
00:57:20,016 --> 00:57:22,936
Speaker 1: in therapy the day before, and her therapist that told her,

1355
00:57:23,216 --> 00:57:25,416
Speaker 1: you're experiencing all the negative things that comes from being

1356
00:57:25,456 --> 00:57:28,216
Speaker 1: with him, why don't you just take advantage of one

1357
00:57:28,336 --> 00:57:30,976
Speaker 1: positive thing. I happened to catch it on that day.

1358
00:57:31,176 --> 00:57:34,096
Speaker 1: Oh boom, And she said, I'll do it, And so

1359
00:57:34,216 --> 00:57:36,696
Speaker 1: we did it. And when you say that about your wife,

1360
00:57:37,096 --> 00:57:41,296
Speaker 1: when we do this episode, I saw like like determination, grit,

1361
00:57:41,336 --> 00:57:43,296
Speaker 1: all these things in a way that I'd never seen

1362
00:57:43,296 --> 00:57:45,016
Speaker 1: it before that I was kind of blown away by

1363
00:57:45,336 --> 00:57:47,136
Speaker 1: because we're on we're on top like three hundred foot

1364
00:57:47,176 --> 00:57:50,856
Speaker 1: rocks having to repel off and she's just killing it

1365
00:57:51,496 --> 00:57:54,136
Speaker 1: and she's scared. But the greatest part was you're supposed

1366
00:57:54,176 --> 00:57:56,216
Speaker 1: to be scared, but she did it anyway. So I

1367
00:57:56,256 --> 00:57:59,536
Speaker 1: was able to see sides of her doing that. And

1368
00:57:59,576 --> 00:58:01,376
Speaker 1: I obviously knew her very well, but I would have

1369
00:58:01,416 --> 00:58:03,536
Speaker 1: never seen that side of her had we not done that.

1370
00:58:03,576 --> 00:58:04,776
Speaker 1: Did you feel that way with your wife?

1371
00:58:05,376 --> 00:58:07,576
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I mean we were together.

1372
00:58:07,616 --> 00:58:10,976
Speaker 4: We've been together, you know for almost I guess fifteen years,

1373
00:58:11,496 --> 00:58:14,896
Speaker 4: and she's burned for my children, and I know she's

1374
00:58:14,896 --> 00:58:15,736
Speaker 4: tough and you know.

1375
00:58:15,736 --> 00:58:19,776
Speaker 3: She's a go get her but to like be in that.

1376
00:58:19,736 --> 00:58:22,136
Speaker 4: Environment, like you said, and see the grit and the

1377
00:58:22,136 --> 00:58:24,776
Speaker 4: determination and like, you know, the barracks that we slept

1378
00:58:24,776 --> 00:58:27,016
Speaker 4: in were just disgusting and having to wash her clothes

1379
00:58:27,016 --> 00:58:30,216
Speaker 4: and the sink and just eat you know, crappy food.

1380
00:58:31,056 --> 00:58:32,416
Speaker 3: But her attitude to.

1381
00:58:32,536 --> 00:58:36,296
Speaker 4: Like not only accomplish things, but like dominate things was like, damn,

1382
00:58:36,296 --> 00:58:36,856
Speaker 4: who is this?

1383
00:58:37,016 --> 00:58:37,216
Speaker 3: You know?

1384
00:58:37,296 --> 00:58:39,896
Speaker 4: And it was it definitely I think bonded us and

1385
00:58:39,936 --> 00:58:42,416
Speaker 4: made us closer because we saw each other ways we

1386
00:58:42,736 --> 00:58:44,736
Speaker 4: never have. You know, this was kind of an inside

1387
00:58:44,776 --> 00:58:47,256
Speaker 4: look for her to see me in like a locker

1388
00:58:47,336 --> 00:58:49,776
Speaker 4: room setting with other other you know, there's other athletes,

1389
00:58:49,816 --> 00:58:52,296
Speaker 4: but just other males, and you know, there was there

1390
00:58:52,336 --> 00:58:54,816
Speaker 4: was a perspective to it, which was special to have

1391
00:58:54,856 --> 00:58:56,016
Speaker 4: that experience together.

1392
00:58:56,216 --> 00:58:58,456
Speaker 2: Is it more intimidating knowing that you're going on a

1393
00:58:58,496 --> 00:59:00,896
Speaker 2: show that which is an elimination show and a tap

1394
00:59:00,936 --> 00:59:03,216
Speaker 2: out show with your wife saying like, I've got to

1395
00:59:03,256 --> 00:59:06,536
Speaker 2: outperform her. Yeah, because god forbid, I'm one of the

1396
00:59:06,576 --> 00:59:09,016
Speaker 2: first people to tap out and she's like the last

1397
00:59:09,056 --> 00:59:10,056
Speaker 2: woman standing there.

1398
00:59:10,296 --> 00:59:13,656
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean she kind of scept the expectations

1399
00:59:13,696 --> 00:59:15,616
Speaker 3: like listen, I'm here for you. I'm not you know.

1400
00:59:15,696 --> 00:59:17,856
Speaker 4: I think she didn't know what to expect from herself,

1401
00:59:17,896 --> 00:59:19,536
Speaker 4: and the idea was like I'm gonna go all the

1402
00:59:19,536 --> 00:59:22,976
Speaker 4: way and so yeah, that was the expectations. But yeah,

1403
00:59:23,136 --> 00:59:24,856
Speaker 4: knowing that your wife was there, it's like, hey, well,

1404
00:59:24,896 --> 00:59:28,656
Speaker 4: you got to show up, and you gotta I'm the man.

1405
00:59:29,896 --> 00:59:30,376
Speaker 3: Be the man.

1406
00:59:30,976 --> 00:59:32,256
Speaker 1: You play pickleball now a lot o.

1407
00:59:32,376 --> 00:59:33,656
Speaker 3: I love pickleball? Gosh.

1408
00:59:33,696 --> 00:59:36,056
Speaker 1: Well, and I knew he's obsessed. Well, we were walking

1409
00:59:36,096 --> 00:59:38,136
Speaker 1: through whenever you didn't tell him where to come, right,

1410
00:59:38,136 --> 00:59:38,896
Speaker 1: we were up in the front.

1411
00:59:38,776 --> 00:59:41,856
Speaker 3: Of problem yeah and box are barking. I'm waving.

1412
00:59:42,936 --> 00:59:45,136
Speaker 1: He uh was like you build a pick a wall

1413
00:59:45,176 --> 00:59:46,416
Speaker 1: court or it was it. I was like, yeah, we

1414
00:59:46,416 --> 00:59:48,136
Speaker 1: built it, and he was like, oh, just kind of

1415
00:59:49,856 --> 00:59:52,296
Speaker 1: in a second, looking kept walking and rob before we're

1416
00:59:52,296 --> 00:59:53,616
Speaker 1: about to go on. He was going to say something,

1417
00:59:53,656 --> 00:59:54,976
Speaker 1: but I was like, hold it because I don't know

1418
00:59:55,016 --> 00:59:57,256
Speaker 1: what you were going to say about pickleball. I really

1419
00:59:57,296 --> 00:59:59,296
Speaker 1: like to play too. I've I gotta have surgery on

1420
00:59:59,296 --> 01:00:01,896
Speaker 1: my ankle in a couple of weeks. So, yeah, would

1421
01:00:01,896 --> 01:00:05,536
Speaker 1: you a tour? I gotta it's a whole thing. My

1422
01:00:05,576 --> 01:00:07,736
Speaker 1: ankle has been hurting, but it's been getting worse. Who

1423
01:00:07,776 --> 01:00:10,136
Speaker 1: knew if an injury hurt, you shouldn't keep going.

1424
01:00:10,256 --> 01:00:14,176
Speaker 3: That's who knew. Let me see you fix it. Hey,

1425
01:00:14,296 --> 01:00:14,936
Speaker 3: stop stop.

1426
01:00:15,056 --> 01:00:17,696
Speaker 1: So this cartilage tear has gotten larger and larger, and

1427
01:00:17,736 --> 01:00:18,976
Speaker 1: so now they have to go and they have to

1428
01:00:18,976 --> 01:00:21,416
Speaker 1: put other cartilage, have to put dead man cartilage in.

1429
01:00:21,536 --> 01:00:24,256
Speaker 3: Oh really, it's a series dead. Yeah.

1430
01:00:24,296 --> 01:00:25,616
Speaker 1: So I haven't been able to play a lot, but

1431
01:00:25,656 --> 01:00:28,976
Speaker 1: I was playing grit. That's great. Hey, I played in

1432
01:00:28,976 --> 01:00:33,256
Speaker 1: a foot tournament singles with a torn and didn't you

1433
01:00:33,296 --> 01:00:35,576
Speaker 1: win it? I won a three point five. I didn't

1434
01:00:35,616 --> 01:00:38,216
Speaker 1: win the four because I got hurt memes. But yeah, yeah, anyway,

1435
01:00:38,376 --> 01:00:40,616
Speaker 1: so what's that sober? How often are you playing?

1436
01:00:40,616 --> 01:00:40,696
Speaker 3: Like?

1437
01:00:40,696 --> 01:00:42,256
Speaker 1: What you is that your competition.

1438
01:00:42,336 --> 01:00:44,776
Speaker 3: Now, I actually just threw my back out. Uh getting

1439
01:00:44,776 --> 01:00:47,696
Speaker 3: back into it now. I feel like that every other

1440
01:00:47,696 --> 01:00:49,016
Speaker 3: week I started my back.

1441
01:00:49,296 --> 01:00:51,256
Speaker 1: You should see him at the like little league games

1442
01:00:51,256 --> 01:00:51,616
Speaker 1: and stuff.

1443
01:00:51,736 --> 01:00:53,416
Speaker 3: He's literally sitting up there like this.

1444
01:00:56,016 --> 01:00:58,856
Speaker 2: So I'm like, dude, we got wives around here, like

1445
01:00:59,576 --> 01:01:01,856
Speaker 2: stop making us look bad. I'm like, you're either trying

1446
01:01:01,896 --> 01:01:04,416
Speaker 2: to brundle off to all the women, but like, will

1447
01:01:04,456 --> 01:01:08,536
Speaker 2: you stop actually these like elaborate yoga stretches and sending

1448
01:01:08,536 --> 01:01:09,376
Speaker 2: out for another kid?

1449
01:01:10,856 --> 01:01:12,176
Speaker 3: Just keeping my back.

1450
01:01:12,416 --> 01:01:13,096
Speaker 1: My back hurts.

1451
01:01:13,136 --> 01:01:17,976
Speaker 4: Savannah Bananas brought to the U sport. It's my It's

1452
01:01:18,016 --> 01:01:21,216
Speaker 4: my vice right now for sure. Besides my back doesn't hurt,

1453
01:01:21,216 --> 01:01:23,336
Speaker 4: which actually, like two and a half weeks ago, I

1454
01:01:23,336 --> 01:01:25,216
Speaker 4: was playing at five in the morning, but real serious

1455
01:01:25,216 --> 01:01:27,456
Speaker 4: about it. With the Pea coaches here at our kids

1456
01:01:27,496 --> 01:01:31,376
Speaker 4: school and Mark Marianni Mark March competitive competitives.

1457
01:01:31,376 --> 01:01:34,016
Speaker 1: I've played with them before. You played with Titans, Yeah, yeah, okay,

1458
01:01:34,016 --> 01:01:34,696
Speaker 1: I've played with them before.

1459
01:01:34,776 --> 01:01:37,176
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so warm enough pick a ball threw it out.

1460
01:01:37,216 --> 01:01:41,136
Speaker 4: But other than that, I'm playing a PPA tournament in November,

1461
01:01:41,296 --> 01:01:42,216
Speaker 4: so I'd excited about that.

1462
01:01:42,256 --> 01:01:44,576
Speaker 1: But they play singles or doubles doubles. Do you ever

1463
01:01:44,576 --> 01:01:45,176
Speaker 1: play singles?

1464
01:01:45,376 --> 01:01:46,336
Speaker 3: I do play singles.

1465
01:01:46,456 --> 01:01:48,096
Speaker 1: I like singles because it's actually a workout.

1466
01:01:48,136 --> 01:01:50,416
Speaker 3: It is a workout, I mean doubles. I'll play hour

1467
01:01:50,416 --> 01:01:51,936
Speaker 3: and a half. I'll burn like twelve hour calories.

1468
01:01:52,416 --> 01:01:53,976
Speaker 1: Maybe for you, but for an athlete like me, it

1469
01:01:53,976 --> 01:01:56,216
Speaker 1: ain't work, you know what I mean? Like me, and

1470
01:01:56,736 --> 01:01:59,176
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting back, you know, h hitting it like this?

1471
01:01:59,496 --> 01:01:59,656
Speaker 3: Then?

1472
01:01:59,856 --> 01:02:00,176
Speaker 1: How far?

1473
01:02:00,456 --> 01:02:01,336
Speaker 3: Why your ankles hanging on?

1474
01:02:02,016 --> 01:02:04,496
Speaker 1: How far do you let from the town half mile?

1475
01:02:04,936 --> 01:02:05,776
Speaker 1: So close?

1476
01:02:05,896 --> 01:02:06,576
Speaker 3: I'm real close to.

1477
01:02:06,656 --> 01:02:08,056
Speaker 1: I didn't know that most of you rich people live

1478
01:02:08,096 --> 01:02:09,976
Speaker 1: in like Franklin, so I figured you were down there

1479
01:02:09,976 --> 01:02:13,336
Speaker 1: with like rich boy you guys, you guys.

1480
01:02:13,216 --> 01:02:15,296
Speaker 3: Are going to be fast friends on the pickleball.

1481
01:02:15,616 --> 01:02:17,696
Speaker 4: Get that ank all right, we're gonna yeah, well there's

1482
01:02:17,736 --> 01:02:19,096
Speaker 4: some some opportunity.

1483
01:02:19,136 --> 01:02:20,136
Speaker 3: When you talk about you.

1484
01:02:20,056 --> 01:02:21,616
Speaker 1: Got a back, I got an ankle. It's we're even

1485
01:02:21,656 --> 01:02:23,896
Speaker 1: so we can play injury. We're just we have one injury.

1486
01:02:24,136 --> 01:02:25,976
Speaker 3: Just rush the ne You just need a leaf blower

1487
01:02:26,016 --> 01:02:26,336
Speaker 3: back there.

1488
01:02:26,336 --> 01:02:29,496
Speaker 1: That's what I got one right there. Okay, yeah, I

1489
01:02:29,496 --> 01:02:30,816
Speaker 1: got a whole ground ready.

1490
01:02:31,176 --> 01:02:32,416
Speaker 3: Bobby, I need to talk to you and Matt I

1491
01:02:32,816 --> 01:02:33,816
Speaker 3: told him about it. Already.

1492
01:02:33,816 --> 01:02:36,376
Speaker 4: But there's this concept coming to towns to pick a

1493
01:02:36,416 --> 01:02:39,296
Speaker 4: ball entertainment concept called crush Yard. You know everyone's doing

1494
01:02:39,856 --> 01:02:42,016
Speaker 4: the facilities now, but this one is.

1495
01:02:42,016 --> 01:02:47,216
Speaker 3: Are you pitching him? I want to gonna be off camera,

1496
01:02:47,336 --> 01:02:48,536
Speaker 3: but he's like, savent savement.

1497
01:02:51,376 --> 01:02:53,976
Speaker 4: I'll bring the deck. But it's uh, you know, top

1498
01:02:54,056 --> 01:02:56,856
Speaker 4: golf esque with pickleball. So they got you got the

1499
01:02:56,856 --> 01:03:00,136
Speaker 4: food and bev concept up front. You got golf simulators.

1500
01:03:00,616 --> 01:03:02,656
Speaker 4: I want to golf, but also the multi sport game

1501
01:03:02,696 --> 01:03:04,976
Speaker 4: with the kids, Keith and entertainble. You can play pick

1502
01:03:04,976 --> 01:03:07,856
Speaker 4: a ball in the back eight courts. You know, franchise

1503
01:03:07,936 --> 01:03:11,176
Speaker 4: concepts coming in, taking these big boxes and just kind

1504
01:03:11,176 --> 01:03:14,496
Speaker 4: of retrofitting this concept, which you know from cost savings

1505
01:03:14,896 --> 01:03:15,296
Speaker 4: is great.

1506
01:03:15,296 --> 01:03:18,136
Speaker 3: But I love it already in I'm in it. What

1507
01:03:18,176 --> 01:03:21,016
Speaker 3: are you looking for? Are you gonna invest or not?

1508
01:03:21,176 --> 01:03:22,656
Speaker 1: It's a minimum investment. You're looking.

1509
01:03:22,736 --> 01:03:25,776
Speaker 4: My heart's involved. We buy bonus, maybe shoot a couple

1510
01:03:25,776 --> 01:03:30,816
Speaker 4: of shows in there. You know, Matthew already told about

1511
01:03:30,896 --> 01:03:32,976
Speaker 4: you know, the concepts, and I can get him on board.

1512
01:03:33,056 --> 01:03:34,176
Speaker 4: Actually I can get him on board now.

1513
01:03:34,336 --> 01:03:38,656
Speaker 1: Pressures on Matt, Matt, He's got so many names, Castle

1514
01:03:38,776 --> 01:03:42,136
Speaker 1: Cast Matt we did this video, they were like, Hey,

1515
01:03:42,176 --> 01:03:44,856
Speaker 1: we're gonna come in and shoot castle, uh for like

1516
01:03:44,896 --> 01:03:48,856
Speaker 1: a Titans promo, like a commercial thing. And I love Matt,

1517
01:03:48,896 --> 01:03:50,936
Speaker 1: like seriously, the greatest guy huggs a little too much.

1518
01:03:50,936 --> 01:03:54,256
Speaker 1: But other than that, like the greatest guy's.

1519
01:03:57,056 --> 01:03:58,976
Speaker 3: Personal space, you can give you a scruff roum.

1520
01:03:59,736 --> 01:04:02,256
Speaker 1: I'm not tall enough. That's why he scruffed the top

1521
01:04:02,256 --> 01:04:04,856
Speaker 1: of my head. And so they were like, hey, and

1522
01:04:04,896 --> 01:04:08,776
Speaker 1: so I'm just talking about Matt just genuinely, and I'm like,

1523
01:04:09,016 --> 01:04:12,176
Speaker 1: I love him, here's why. And I lead with things

1524
01:04:12,216 --> 01:04:14,896
Speaker 1: like he obviously knows the game, like you don't play

1525
01:04:14,936 --> 01:04:16,816
Speaker 1: that long in the league without knowing the game at

1526
01:04:16,896 --> 01:04:18,776
Speaker 1: a certain level. And while we're doing the show, and

1527
01:04:18,816 --> 01:04:20,936
Speaker 1: then I watched the clip back and the only things

1528
01:04:20,976 --> 01:04:23,176
Speaker 1: they use for me saying was like, yeah, he looks

1529
01:04:23,176 --> 01:04:26,296
Speaker 1: like a Greek god and he's always on time. Like

1530
01:04:26,336 --> 01:04:28,376
Speaker 1: they didn't use anything about football, like that was the

1531
01:04:28,416 --> 01:04:33,816
Speaker 1: whole thing. So yes, not my editor, Yeah, how'd you

1532
01:04:33,816 --> 01:04:34,656
Speaker 1: feel about that promo?

1533
01:04:35,296 --> 01:04:37,896
Speaker 2: I thought it was very uplifting from what you said. Yeah,

1534
01:04:38,176 --> 01:04:40,136
Speaker 2: I mean, they definitely did not use any of the part.

1535
01:04:39,976 --> 01:04:43,536
Speaker 3: About do you have Greek in you? Though you know well,

1536
01:04:43,576 --> 01:04:45,256
Speaker 3: I mean, I.

1537
01:04:45,216 --> 01:04:47,096
Speaker 2: Know, I've got my wife that's Greek, and she rubs

1538
01:04:47,136 --> 01:04:47,816
Speaker 2: off on me a little bit.

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01:04:47,856 --> 01:05:07,256
Speaker 1: We still break. It's now time for are the Week

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01:05:07,256 --> 01:05:10,976
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01:05:17,656 --> 01:05:19,376
Speaker 1: gonna go through the three biggest games in the NFL

1544
01:05:19,416 --> 01:05:21,336
Speaker 1: this week and make our picks. Let's go here.

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01:05:21,376 --> 01:05:21,696
Speaker 3: We go.

1546
01:05:22,096 --> 01:05:23,616
Speaker 1: Six teams on buye this week.

1547
01:05:23,776 --> 01:05:25,616
Speaker 2: That's crazy. It's a good time to be on a

1548
01:05:25,616 --> 01:05:27,656
Speaker 2: buye though. Why so that just because it's about that

1549
01:05:27,776 --> 01:05:30,936
Speaker 2: mid season where you get that break and then kind

1550
01:05:30,976 --> 01:05:33,056
Speaker 2: of that end of the season push. I like it,

1551
01:05:33,216 --> 01:05:35,056
Speaker 2: not even into the season, midway through the season.

1552
01:05:35,096 --> 01:05:36,096
Speaker 3: Yeah, where do you like your bye?

1553
01:05:36,096 --> 01:05:38,376
Speaker 2: If you got to pick a week, I've had weeks

1554
01:05:38,856 --> 01:05:41,496
Speaker 2: by weeks in week three, Oh, that's like lunch at night.

1555
01:05:42,736 --> 01:05:44,176
Speaker 3: That's such a grind for so long.

1556
01:05:44,216 --> 01:05:46,336
Speaker 2: And this is before they got two buys, so you're

1557
01:05:46,416 --> 01:05:48,416
Speaker 2: just like you're grinding for the rest of the time.

1558
01:05:49,016 --> 01:05:51,416
Speaker 2: But this is a good part of the season to

1559
01:05:51,496 --> 01:05:55,096
Speaker 2: about week seven, week eight, where if you're about mid midway.

1560
01:05:55,176 --> 01:05:58,496
Speaker 2: It's just a nice relief from season and you can

1561
01:05:58,576 --> 01:05:59,496
Speaker 2: kind of get a little healthy.

1562
01:05:59,616 --> 01:06:02,136
Speaker 1: Let's go Vikings at Chargers on Thursday night. I do

1563
01:06:02,296 --> 01:06:03,896
Speaker 1: like the game for a Thursday night game. Although there

1564
01:06:03,936 --> 01:06:07,096
Speaker 1: have been really good Thursday games this year, which hasn't

1565
01:06:07,096 --> 01:06:09,536
Speaker 1: always been the case, so there's been solid one after

1566
01:06:09,576 --> 01:06:13,256
Speaker 1: the other. The weird thing about the Vikings is is

1567
01:06:13,376 --> 01:06:14,776
Speaker 1: has there been a soft benching?

1568
01:06:15,896 --> 01:06:17,656
Speaker 3: I see, That's what I keep asking myself.

1569
01:06:17,696 --> 01:06:20,256
Speaker 2: I was like JJ mccarthy' spraining his ankle in week two,

1570
01:06:20,416 --> 01:06:22,416
Speaker 2: we're now in week seven. I don't know a lot

1571
01:06:22,456 --> 01:06:24,296
Speaker 2: of I don't know how severe it is, and I'm

1572
01:06:24,336 --> 01:06:27,056
Speaker 2: not trying to come up with a conspiracy theory or

1573
01:06:27,056 --> 01:06:30,096
Speaker 2: anything like that, but I think they allowed wins to

1574
01:06:30,136 --> 01:06:30,496
Speaker 2: keep going.

1575
01:06:30,576 --> 01:06:31,576
Speaker 3: He got the win in London.

1576
01:06:31,616 --> 01:06:33,656
Speaker 2: He's coming back and he's been up and down, but

1577
01:06:33,776 --> 01:06:36,936
Speaker 2: he's actually playing pretty well. And I think that they're

1578
01:06:36,976 --> 01:06:40,776
Speaker 2: waiting to see if he takes the reins and not

1579
01:06:40,776 --> 01:06:43,456
Speaker 2: not just jumping out and saying, hey, JJ's starting as

1580
01:06:43,496 --> 01:06:46,136
Speaker 2: soon as he's healthy, because I believe he's probably healthy

1581
01:06:46,176 --> 01:06:48,976
Speaker 2: because he was suited as a three third quarterback this week.

1582
01:06:49,216 --> 01:06:52,056
Speaker 2: It's just a very interesting dynamic in how this whole

1583
01:06:52,056 --> 01:06:55,776
Speaker 2: thing unfolds. Vikings and Chargers. Uh, Chargers not not a

1584
01:06:55,816 --> 01:06:59,096
Speaker 2: great not a great last week. No, but those Colts Man,

1585
01:06:59,136 --> 01:07:02,136
Speaker 2: they were rolling. I mean they're rolling and probably one

1586
01:07:02,176 --> 01:07:04,016
Speaker 2: of the best teams in football right now.

1587
01:07:04,096 --> 01:07:04,176
Speaker 1: Now.

1588
01:07:04,216 --> 01:07:05,776
Speaker 2: I think their schedule gets a little bit harder. But

1589
01:07:06,536 --> 01:07:09,776
Speaker 2: the Vikings on the road against the Chargers. Chargers have

1590
01:07:09,896 --> 01:07:12,216
Speaker 2: shown some weaknesses there, especially on the defensive side of

1591
01:07:12,216 --> 01:07:13,216
Speaker 2: the ball. I thought that was going to be a

1592
01:07:13,216 --> 01:07:16,096
Speaker 2: strong suit, but they've you know, haven't played as well recently.

1593
01:07:16,296 --> 01:07:17,336
Speaker 3: So I'm going with the Vikings.

1594
01:07:17,416 --> 01:07:21,296
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm gonna go with the Chargers just because I

1595
01:07:21,336 --> 01:07:23,176
Speaker 1: think I can't. I don't want to say this. It

1596
01:07:23,216 --> 01:07:24,776
Speaker 1: offend you, So I don't want to anyth about the coaching.

1597
01:07:24,776 --> 01:07:28,456
Speaker 1: They better coaching and the Chargers that'll be offensive to you.

1598
01:07:28,536 --> 01:07:31,816
Speaker 3: To your boy, Kevin, you heard him, did he? I

1599
01:07:31,936 --> 01:07:32,576
Speaker 3: got your back?

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01:07:32,616 --> 01:07:37,216
Speaker 1: Dogging. I think for Jim Hardwall to lose to in

1601
01:07:37,216 --> 01:07:41,096
Speaker 1: a row that's probably rarer than even I think it is.

1602
01:07:41,376 --> 01:07:43,216
Speaker 1: I think the Chargers come back ready to go. I'm

1603
01:07:43,216 --> 01:07:45,536
Speaker 1: taking the Chargers next to Cowboys at Broncos.

1604
01:07:45,856 --> 01:07:47,416
Speaker 3: Oh. I think this is going to be a good game.

1605
01:07:47,896 --> 01:07:51,536
Speaker 2: I mean the way the Cowboys came out and offensively, defensively,

1606
01:07:51,616 --> 01:07:54,136
Speaker 2: but I put their better put together their best, best

1607
01:07:54,136 --> 01:07:56,616
Speaker 2: full game. I love the way the offense is playing,

1608
01:07:57,016 --> 01:07:59,856
Speaker 2: but they are going up against the Broncos, whose defense

1609
01:07:59,936 --> 01:08:01,576
Speaker 2: is probably one of the best in the league. Even

1610
01:08:01,616 --> 01:08:03,696
Speaker 2: though Giants went out there and put up a bunch

1611
01:08:03,696 --> 01:08:06,576
Speaker 2: of points on him.

1612
01:08:06,696 --> 01:08:09,536
Speaker 1: Oh, this is tough. I'm going with the Cowboys. I'm

1613
01:08:09,536 --> 01:08:11,176
Speaker 1: gonna go with the Cowboys and get the three and

1614
01:08:11,176 --> 01:08:13,176
Speaker 1: a half points as well. But I think I would

1615
01:08:13,176 --> 01:08:15,456
Speaker 1: take the Cowboys straight up just because they're just fun

1616
01:08:15,496 --> 01:08:16,856
Speaker 1: to watch. I don't like the root against teams that

1617
01:08:16,896 --> 01:08:18,376
Speaker 1: are so fun to watch and see.

1618
01:08:18,496 --> 01:08:22,936
Speaker 2: Lamb look good, George Pickens awesome, the run games got going.

1619
01:08:23,296 --> 01:08:25,696
Speaker 2: If the defense holds up in any capacity, you know

1620
01:08:25,736 --> 01:08:26,856
Speaker 2: that they're going to score points.

1621
01:08:27,296 --> 01:08:29,896
Speaker 1: Packers minus three at the Steelers.

1622
01:08:31,296 --> 01:08:33,456
Speaker 3: Oh, Packers minus three at the Steelers.

1623
01:08:34,776 --> 01:08:37,536
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Packers. I'm gonna give up points

1624
01:08:37,616 --> 01:08:39,055
Speaker 1: Packers over Steelers in Pittsburgh.

1625
01:08:39,136 --> 01:08:41,576
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with you. I will go with the Packers.

1626
01:08:41,616 --> 01:08:43,536
Speaker 2: I just think that they're a better overall team that

1627
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Speaker 2: Parsons went off. Oh we had three se Yeah, that's

1628
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got loucks.

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01:09:42,296 --> 01:09:45,976
Speaker 1: Say, do you watch a lot now? Are you able

1650
01:09:45,976 --> 01:09:48,216
Speaker 1: to stay involved or at least watch games and like

1651
01:09:48,736 --> 01:09:49,216
Speaker 1: as a fan?

1652
01:09:49,416 --> 01:09:51,856
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh yeah. So my ten year old boy loves

1653
01:09:51,896 --> 01:09:54,496
Speaker 4: football and so he kind of has me in it.

1654
01:09:54,536 --> 01:09:57,736
Speaker 4: I mean, he knows every player's name, which is unlivable.

1655
01:09:57,856 --> 01:09:59,696
Speaker 4: But it's been fun to kind of wash the game

1656
01:09:59,736 --> 01:10:02,376
Speaker 4: through his eyes because it's innocent. Again, you know, it's

1657
01:10:02,416 --> 01:10:05,256
Speaker 4: just like the love of the game, like sometimes where

1658
01:10:05,456 --> 01:10:08,056
Speaker 4: off as you get older. So we got football on

1659
01:10:08,216 --> 01:10:12,016
Speaker 4: all day Saturday, all day Sunday, and you know we watch.

1660
01:10:12,216 --> 01:10:14,896
Speaker 3: You know, there's no team we really root for, but

1661
01:10:14,936 --> 01:10:16,175
Speaker 3: you you don't root for the Titans.

1662
01:10:16,856 --> 01:10:19,176
Speaker 1: I don't think that's possible. Hard right now?

1663
01:10:20,256 --> 01:10:20,816
Speaker 3: Did they play?

1664
01:10:20,896 --> 01:10:25,016
Speaker 1: Do they have points? They haven't?

1665
01:10:23,256 --> 01:10:27,856
Speaker 3: The point it's been it's tough.

1666
01:10:27,896 --> 01:10:31,136
Speaker 1: How was this weekend for your USC Notre Dame heartbreaking?

1667
01:10:31,576 --> 01:10:33,055
Speaker 3: No, it was an incredible environment.

1668
01:10:33,136 --> 01:10:36,776
Speaker 2: Obviously, it's a rivalry that is a historical rivalry, and

1669
01:10:37,656 --> 01:10:40,336
Speaker 2: you know, when I was there, you kind of got

1670
01:10:40,376 --> 01:10:42,896
Speaker 2: a feel for it. Every single time you played Notre Dame.

1671
01:10:43,456 --> 01:10:46,215
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll did a tremendous job of teaching you about

1672
01:10:46,576 --> 01:10:48,896
Speaker 2: the history of the game, and have guys like Marcus

1673
01:10:48,936 --> 01:10:51,856
Speaker 2: Allen and this guy Marv Goo who is a legendary

1674
01:10:51,896 --> 01:10:54,536
Speaker 2: defensive coach. All these different players would come in and

1675
01:10:54,576 --> 01:10:56,656
Speaker 2: speak to us that during that week, So it was

1676
01:10:56,696 --> 01:10:57,216
Speaker 2: a big deal.

1677
01:10:57,496 --> 01:10:59,576
Speaker 3: And then to get back there and USC.

1678
01:10:59,376 --> 01:11:02,095
Speaker 2: Being five and one, thinking they've got a chance, go down,

1679
01:11:02,176 --> 01:11:04,896
Speaker 2: have a few good series and then Notre Dame just

1680
01:11:05,416 --> 01:11:08,096
Speaker 2: beat us up physically up front and ran through our

1681
01:11:08,136 --> 01:11:10,816
Speaker 2: face and it was still close in the we took

1682
01:11:10,816 --> 01:11:12,856
Speaker 2: the lead in the third quarter, and then we give

1683
01:11:12,936 --> 01:11:15,056
Speaker 2: up the kickoff return and at that point it was

1684
01:11:15,096 --> 01:11:15,496
Speaker 2: all over.

1685
01:11:15,816 --> 01:11:18,336
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask do you feel because obviously you're

1686
01:11:18,336 --> 01:11:21,096
Speaker 4: more involved in the game that and I all has

1687
01:11:21,216 --> 01:11:24,856
Speaker 4: changed like the university passion or the you know, like

1688
01:11:25,176 --> 01:11:26,055
Speaker 4: campus passion.

1689
01:11:26,256 --> 01:11:28,656
Speaker 2: You know, it's very interesting because we were talking to

1690
01:11:28,656 --> 01:11:31,256
Speaker 2: some of the even the Notre Dame players, and particularly CJ. Carr,

1691
01:11:31,296 --> 01:11:34,696
Speaker 2: their quarterback, and one of the legendary plays in the

1692
01:11:34,736 --> 01:11:36,776
Speaker 2: series was the tush push or whatever you want to

1693
01:11:36,816 --> 01:11:38,696
Speaker 2: call it. Right in that two thousand and five game

1694
01:11:38,696 --> 01:11:40,856
Speaker 2: when both of those teams are undefeated, Brady Quinn Matt

1695
01:11:40,896 --> 01:11:43,416
Speaker 2: Lioner going back and forth. He had no idea what

1696
01:11:43,416 --> 01:11:45,896
Speaker 2: we were referencing, and I was like, wow, like you

1697
01:11:46,016 --> 01:11:48,256
Speaker 2: think you'd think that there was maybe, But he was

1698
01:11:48,296 --> 01:11:50,096
Speaker 2: a young kid. So I'm not putting it past them.

1699
01:11:50,296 --> 01:11:53,376
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying that he's being disrespectful by

1700
01:11:53,376 --> 01:11:56,456
Speaker 2: any means, but I think some of the NIL space

1701
01:11:56,576 --> 01:12:00,416
Speaker 2: Now you come there for a paycheck, and you're going

1702
01:12:00,456 --> 01:12:02,656
Speaker 2: there without the same pride that you used to go

1703
01:12:02,736 --> 01:12:05,216
Speaker 2: to a university because you're picking it you because that's

1704
01:12:05,216 --> 01:12:07,616
Speaker 2: your destination for four to five years, knowing that you're

1705
01:12:07,616 --> 01:12:09,936
Speaker 2: probably never going to leave that place, and so there's

1706
01:12:09,976 --> 01:12:11,936
Speaker 2: a pride that comes along with that. Now I feel

1707
01:12:12,016 --> 01:12:14,296
Speaker 2: like some of these players, and I'm not speaking about

1708
01:12:14,376 --> 01:12:16,376
Speaker 2: Notre Dame us he or whatever, but some of it

1709
01:12:16,416 --> 01:12:19,856
Speaker 2: is more transactional than it is about the university itself.

1710
01:12:20,016 --> 01:12:21,776
Speaker 1: I was with I don't want to say who it is,

1711
01:12:21,816 --> 01:12:23,976
Speaker 1: but I was with a power fore head coach this weekend.

1712
01:12:24,256 --> 01:12:27,416
Speaker 1: One of my friends doesn't live here. But I tell

1713
01:12:27,456 --> 01:12:31,976
Speaker 1: you off because I think for I think for the fans,

1714
01:12:32,016 --> 01:12:36,096
Speaker 1: obviously it hasn't changed, like we still we understand they're

1715
01:12:36,096 --> 01:12:38,416
Speaker 1: more mercenary type than they used to be. They may

1716
01:12:38,416 --> 01:12:41,936
Speaker 1: be there for a year hopefully longer. But I was

1717
01:12:42,056 --> 01:12:46,096
Speaker 1: with this coach and it's just even for them, it's

1718
01:12:46,176 --> 01:12:48,696
Speaker 1: just always asking for money, Like that's so much a

1719
01:12:48,696 --> 01:12:52,576
Speaker 1: part of the job now that it's still they're still coaching,

1720
01:12:52,616 --> 01:12:54,776
Speaker 1: but a lot of their twenty four hours in a day,

1721
01:12:55,176 --> 01:12:57,216
Speaker 1: there are so many hours that have to be dedicated

1722
01:12:57,536 --> 01:13:01,336
Speaker 1: to just glad handing asking for money that even four

1723
01:13:01,376 --> 01:13:03,376
Speaker 1: to five years ago that wasn't the case. So it's

1724
01:13:03,416 --> 01:13:05,736
Speaker 1: changed for everybody across the board. And they try to

1725
01:13:05,816 --> 01:13:07,736
Speaker 1: hire general managers to take a little bit of that

1726
01:13:07,776 --> 01:13:10,256
Speaker 1: load off. But if you're a donor, and I'm a donor,

1727
01:13:10,296 --> 01:13:14,416
Speaker 1: like I'm a big donor, fair but donor at Arkansas,

1728
01:13:14,616 --> 01:13:20,456
Speaker 1: big donor, big better if a medium donor sometimes too big,

1729
01:13:20,456 --> 01:13:25,255
Speaker 1: a better but loser but loser. If you're a donor

1730
01:13:25,736 --> 01:13:27,856
Speaker 1: and the general manager is calling, going hey, I want

1731
01:13:27,896 --> 01:13:29,215
Speaker 1: to spend time with you, but you have a substantial

1732
01:13:29,216 --> 01:13:30,776
Speaker 1: amount of money, you don't want to talk to the

1733
01:13:30,816 --> 01:13:33,736
Speaker 1: general manager. You want to talk to the coach because

1734
01:13:34,016 --> 01:13:36,656
Speaker 1: that's who you're giving the money to. So the NIL

1735
01:13:36,696 --> 01:13:40,176
Speaker 1: thing has been weird, not just for players, and I

1736
01:13:40,176 --> 01:13:42,016
Speaker 1: think everybody shouldt pay. By the way, I'm a pay

1737
01:13:42,096 --> 01:13:45,976
Speaker 1: peeper guy. Yes, but it's almost like where baseball is.

1738
01:13:46,296 --> 01:13:48,896
Speaker 1: And now they may end up a labor strike, not

1739
01:13:48,976 --> 01:13:51,056
Speaker 1: next year, but the year after because the owners want

1740
01:13:51,056 --> 01:13:52,896
Speaker 1: a salary cap. The players are like, no way, we're

1741
01:13:52,896 --> 01:13:55,576
Speaker 1: having a salary cap. If they don't have some sort

1742
01:13:55,576 --> 01:13:58,936
Speaker 1: of structure on, it's weird to call it a cap.

1743
01:13:59,016 --> 01:14:02,736
Speaker 1: But if these third string offensive tackles are going into

1744
01:14:02,736 --> 01:14:05,696
Speaker 1: the portal now and just because the market on them,

1745
01:14:05,816 --> 01:14:08,536
Speaker 1: they're getting paid seven hundred thousand dollars and they're not

1746
01:14:08,576 --> 01:14:11,576
Speaker 1: even really playing. But that's the market to get a player,

1747
01:14:11,856 --> 01:14:13,536
Speaker 1: and how are they getting the money. It's not all

1748
01:14:13,536 --> 01:14:16,136
Speaker 1: revenue sharing because revenue sharing just equaled it out. So

1749
01:14:16,536 --> 01:14:18,536
Speaker 1: all the teams were like, wait till revenue sharing, then

1750
01:14:18,576 --> 01:14:20,976
Speaker 1: we'll have money. But if everybody's revenue sharing is exactly

1751
01:14:21,016 --> 01:14:23,296
Speaker 1: the same, well you still have to get more money

1752
01:14:23,336 --> 01:14:25,776
Speaker 1: than your other person. So that's the coach spending hours

1753
01:14:25,816 --> 01:14:28,095
Speaker 1: of every day on the phone. It's a weird environment

1754
01:14:28,136 --> 01:14:28,736
Speaker 1: now colleges.

1755
01:14:29,496 --> 01:14:31,256
Speaker 4: I can imagine being a coach because, like you said,

1756
01:14:31,256 --> 01:14:34,016
Speaker 4: you're recruiting your old guys constantly, and you know it

1757
01:14:34,176 --> 01:14:36,936
Speaker 4: just as an athlete, and kind of I fear the

1758
01:14:37,016 --> 01:14:39,736
Speaker 4: character building of these young guys is like, yes, you

1759
01:14:40,016 --> 01:14:41,816
Speaker 4: should get paid. I mean it's it's a lot of

1760
01:14:41,856 --> 01:14:44,136
Speaker 4: work and you sacrifice your body and they make a

1761
01:14:44,176 --> 01:14:46,135
Speaker 4: lot of money off you. But at the same point,

1762
01:14:46,856 --> 01:14:49,135
Speaker 4: to just be able to transfer and go play somewhere

1763
01:14:49,176 --> 01:14:51,616
Speaker 4: else because you lost your job or it's getting too

1764
01:14:51,656 --> 01:14:55,536
Speaker 4: hard you don't it's like, okay, well build some resilience,

1765
01:14:55,576 --> 01:14:58,216
Speaker 4: Like life's not like that right back, you know, like, hey,

1766
01:14:58,496 --> 01:15:00,776
Speaker 4: give it a shot, because that's that's where I think,

1767
01:15:00,816 --> 01:15:03,576
Speaker 4: you know, I fear with kids coming up and my

1768
01:15:03,656 --> 01:15:06,016
Speaker 4: kids coming up as that you know, what does that

1769
01:15:06,696 --> 01:15:09,576
Speaker 4: college environment look like. If they're gonna be athletes, I

1770
01:15:09,616 --> 01:15:11,496
Speaker 4: want them to be tough. I want them to be respectful.

1771
01:15:11,536 --> 01:15:14,496
Speaker 4: I want them to, you know, be passionate about you know,

1772
01:15:14,736 --> 01:15:17,576
Speaker 4: where you go, who you play for, and the name

1773
01:15:17,616 --> 01:15:19,256
Speaker 4: on your back. But at the same point, don't just

1774
01:15:19,376 --> 01:15:22,216
Speaker 4: like go the easier route and just leave because it's

1775
01:15:22,216 --> 01:15:24,736
Speaker 4: too tough or he's not fair, he's picking someone else.

1776
01:15:24,776 --> 01:15:27,176
Speaker 4: Care Well, everyone has a chance to earn a spot.

1777
01:15:27,376 --> 01:15:31,416
Speaker 1: What it's going to take is actual legislation, because right

1778
01:15:31,456 --> 01:15:33,215
Speaker 1: now you needed to get as bad as it possibly

1779
01:15:33,216 --> 01:15:35,136
Speaker 1: can because nobody stepping in to fix it. Until it

1780
01:15:35,176 --> 01:15:37,176
Speaker 1: has to be fixed. There was the obandon case and

1781
01:15:37,216 --> 01:15:40,296
Speaker 1: went to the Supreme Court. Video game Charles O'Bannon played

1782
01:15:40,336 --> 01:15:43,456
Speaker 1: at UCLA. His likeness was used, so they sued. Now

1783
01:15:43,456 --> 01:15:45,536
Speaker 1: players can get paid, right, that's the entire that's the

1784
01:15:45,576 --> 01:15:48,976
Speaker 1: genesis of players getting paid now. And so if the

1785
01:15:49,056 --> 01:15:52,416
Speaker 1: NCAA is sued, they basically lose every lawsuit now, right,

1786
01:15:52,696 --> 01:15:55,776
Speaker 1: they just lined up labor laws, right, Yep, they're gonna lose.

1787
01:15:56,016 --> 01:15:57,376
Speaker 1: So there's going to have.

1788
01:15:57,416 --> 01:15:58,456
Speaker 3: To be California.

1789
01:15:58,536 --> 01:16:00,936
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's gonna have to be. It's gonna have

1790
01:16:00,976 --> 01:16:02,856
Speaker 1: to get so bad that it's gonna have to go

1791
01:16:02,856 --> 01:16:06,016
Speaker 1: to lawmakers. And lawmakers only want to do things that

1792
01:16:06,096 --> 01:16:08,816
Speaker 1: make them look like heroes for the constituents. The days

1793
01:16:08,856 --> 01:16:11,656
Speaker 1: of ballmakers actually wanted to make a difference, not really

1794
01:16:11,656 --> 01:16:13,776
Speaker 1: so much. It's just get re elected. So that's going

1795
01:16:13,856 --> 01:16:16,135
Speaker 1: to have to happen to or they want to actually

1796
01:16:16,176 --> 01:16:18,736
Speaker 1: make a difference and be seen. Your union's going to

1797
01:16:18,816 --> 01:16:19,296
Speaker 1: have to be had.

1798
01:16:19,496 --> 01:16:22,095
Speaker 2: That's the most difficult part about this, yeap, Like who's

1799
01:16:22,176 --> 01:16:24,376
Speaker 2: going to organize a player's union when it's such a small,

1800
01:16:24,416 --> 01:16:26,856
Speaker 2: finite period of time for each of these players, And

1801
01:16:27,376 --> 01:16:30,056
Speaker 2: unlike the NFL where you got thirty two teams, you've

1802
01:16:30,056 --> 01:16:32,136
Speaker 2: got one hundred and thirty two teams. Then you have

1803
01:16:32,176 --> 01:16:34,016
Speaker 2: to have buy in by the players to say, in

1804
01:16:34,096 --> 01:16:36,416
Speaker 2: order to make a players union, each of you have

1805
01:16:36,456 --> 01:16:39,296
Speaker 2: to give a certain amount of money into the pot

1806
01:16:39,616 --> 01:16:40,856
Speaker 2: each year that you're in school.

1807
01:16:40,896 --> 01:16:43,416
Speaker 3: But then that rolls over every four years.

1808
01:16:43,416 --> 01:16:45,376
Speaker 2: What does the leadership look like. Who's going to be

1809
01:16:45,376 --> 01:16:48,416
Speaker 2: the head of a player's union for college? Which means

1810
01:16:48,456 --> 01:16:49,816
Speaker 2: you're going to have to go out and get some

1811
01:16:50,456 --> 01:16:53,936
Speaker 2: high paying lawyer and be able to unionize and also

1812
01:16:55,056 --> 01:16:58,816
Speaker 2: organize enough to where the leadership at the top doesn't

1813
01:16:58,936 --> 01:17:03,656
Speaker 2: change so quickly that you can actually do something and

1814
01:17:03,816 --> 01:17:06,856
Speaker 2: make make a different difference in what's going on.

1815
01:17:06,936 --> 01:17:09,216
Speaker 1: I mean, I think in the end, the reality of

1816
01:17:09,256 --> 01:17:13,736
Speaker 1: it is you can transfer. Once you transfer again, it's

1817
01:17:13,736 --> 01:17:15,816
Speaker 1: a year. It's old school like because back in the day,

1818
01:17:15,816 --> 01:17:18,496
Speaker 1: if you transferred unless you went down, yeah, you got

1819
01:17:18,536 --> 01:17:21,456
Speaker 1: to sit a year. And I think there's going to

1820
01:17:21,536 --> 01:17:23,776
Speaker 1: have to eventually be some sort of cat because you're

1821
01:17:23,816 --> 01:17:25,976
Speaker 1: going to and it's happening now where your players are

1822
01:17:25,976 --> 01:17:28,696
Speaker 1: making more than NFL players are their first couple of years.

1823
01:17:29,016 --> 01:17:32,296
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it's it's wild but it has to

1824
01:17:32,336 --> 01:17:34,496
Speaker 1: get crazier before it gets fixed. And that's a weird

1825
01:17:34,496 --> 01:17:36,456
Speaker 1: thing to say, because nobody's going to be motivated to

1826
01:17:36,456 --> 01:17:38,656
Speaker 1: fix anything that isn't wildly broken because there are seven

1827
01:17:38,736 --> 01:17:40,536
Speaker 1: hundred other things they've got to do. But yeah, it

1828
01:17:40,576 --> 01:17:43,616
Speaker 1: sucks and it's awesome as players, and as I just talked,

1829
01:17:43,936 --> 01:17:45,376
Speaker 1: I just talked about this as the coaches. Why it's

1830
01:17:45,416 --> 01:17:47,056
Speaker 1: so fresh on my mind. It's also why I'm not

1831
01:17:47,056 --> 01:17:49,776
Speaker 1: going to be a D one coach, cause you guys wondering, definitely,

1832
01:17:49,936 --> 01:17:52,896
Speaker 1: definitely right. I don't want to be one either. Who's

1833
01:17:52,976 --> 01:17:54,816
Speaker 1: us Who's the best team in the NFL this year?

1834
01:17:57,016 --> 01:18:01,176
Speaker 3: Great question? Detrotly good yesterday.

1835
01:18:02,896 --> 01:18:05,896
Speaker 1: And it gets a good Tampa team, but Tampa's missing

1836
01:18:05,976 --> 01:18:09,016
Speaker 1: so many weapons and they get one of the biggest

1837
01:18:09,016 --> 01:18:10,256
Speaker 1: ones back and he goes out with the shoulder and

1838
01:18:10,296 --> 01:18:11,336
Speaker 1: a concussions.

1839
01:18:11,736 --> 01:18:11,896
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1840
01:18:12,096 --> 01:18:14,256
Speaker 1: That's the hard part is that I didn't see that. Yeah,

1841
01:18:16,296 --> 01:18:17,856
Speaker 1: so he came back like a cup coffee and he's

1842
01:18:17,856 --> 01:18:18,216
Speaker 1: out again.

1843
01:18:18,296 --> 01:18:21,696
Speaker 2: Yeah, one one post route basically, and he's been like

1844
01:18:21,736 --> 01:18:24,896
Speaker 2: the Iron Man too. Focus Godwin's out. I mean, you've

1845
01:18:25,176 --> 01:18:27,536
Speaker 2: a mecha. Buka came back. He had zero catches. I mean,

1846
01:18:27,656 --> 01:18:31,135
Speaker 2: so they're very very thin at the wide receiver position.

1847
01:18:31,736 --> 01:18:33,416
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, how you feeling.

1848
01:18:33,496 --> 01:18:37,016
Speaker 3: He said it back's a little soort t gm out there.

1849
01:18:37,016 --> 01:18:39,336
Speaker 3: He didn't say that we can add that out.

1850
01:18:39,416 --> 01:18:40,176
Speaker 1: We believed that out.

1851
01:18:40,336 --> 01:18:41,816
Speaker 3: We got about five players. Yeah.

1852
01:18:42,056 --> 01:18:44,896
Speaker 4: You know what's crazy about just sports, but football, especially

1853
01:18:44,936 --> 01:18:46,976
Speaker 4: as I mean you say, who's the best team? Well,

1854
01:18:47,216 --> 01:18:49,816
Speaker 4: whoever is healthy? To be honest, I mean especially that level.

1855
01:18:50,256 --> 01:18:53,416
Speaker 4: You got guys, two skilled guys got When that one's out,

1856
01:18:53,456 --> 01:18:55,936
Speaker 4: I mean that that changed the dynamic of what mayfield

1857
01:18:55,936 --> 01:18:57,416
Speaker 4: can do and what that offense can do.

1858
01:18:57,456 --> 01:19:00,536
Speaker 3: And so I just think it's ever.

1859
01:19:00,456 --> 01:19:04,016
Speaker 4: Changing, you know, in the league, and it's it's whoever's

1860
01:19:04,096 --> 01:19:05,536
Speaker 4: kind of the healthiest at the end. Look at like

1861
01:19:05,576 --> 01:19:08,696
Speaker 4: Buffalo's kind of behind a little bit. We thought bigger thing.

1862
01:19:08,816 --> 01:19:11,416
Speaker 4: Same thing with Kansas City, But you know.

1863
01:19:11,456 --> 01:19:15,016
Speaker 2: The Chiefs are coming back if they stay healthy towards

1864
01:19:15,016 --> 01:19:15,456
Speaker 2: the end of the year.

1865
01:19:15,496 --> 01:19:17,496
Speaker 4: Those are teams that have like the experience that are

1866
01:19:17,536 --> 01:19:19,496
Speaker 4: going to be successful and be in the big game.

1867
01:19:19,576 --> 01:19:22,736
Speaker 4: So it's hard not to go against teams like that.

1868
01:19:22,936 --> 01:19:24,576
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about the mindset of somebody like

1869
01:19:24,576 --> 01:19:28,016
Speaker 1: a Travis Kelce who is in his thirties, mid thirties.

1870
01:19:28,616 --> 01:19:31,216
Speaker 1: Obviously he's slow to half step. That's why he's not

1871
01:19:31,416 --> 01:19:33,416
Speaker 1: in as much. And you can see him being frustrated

1872
01:19:33,456 --> 01:19:36,856
Speaker 1: when he comes out at times too. As you get older,

1873
01:19:37,576 --> 01:19:39,536
Speaker 1: is it a realization of this is why I'm leaving

1874
01:19:39,616 --> 01:19:41,096
Speaker 1: or is it now I can still do it? Why

1875
01:19:41,096 --> 01:19:42,456
Speaker 1: am I getting taken out of the game.

1876
01:19:42,976 --> 01:19:45,256
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think it's it's an ego thing.

1877
01:19:45,256 --> 01:19:47,936
Speaker 4: We all got egos, And I mean I was in

1878
01:19:47,976 --> 01:19:51,136
Speaker 4: my lower thirties, but like as I was going through

1879
01:19:51,136 --> 01:19:55,256
Speaker 4: the process after I got cut from New York, I

1880
01:19:55,336 --> 01:19:57,296
Speaker 4: was talking a couple of teams and like, we'll use

1881
01:19:57,336 --> 01:19:59,016
Speaker 4: you in like a third down package, or we'll use

1882
01:19:59,016 --> 01:19:59,896
Speaker 4: in a red zone package.

1883
01:20:00,016 --> 01:20:02,936
Speaker 3: Like I can still play. I'm on every down player.

1884
01:20:02,936 --> 01:20:06,016
Speaker 4: I want to play, And like you got yourself and

1885
01:20:06,096 --> 01:20:09,576
Speaker 4: check your ego and be like, hey, well, it's obviously

1886
01:20:09,576 --> 01:20:11,816
Speaker 4: feedback for a reason, like you're losing a step or

1887
01:20:11,856 --> 01:20:12,536
Speaker 4: you're slowing down.

1888
01:20:12,616 --> 01:20:13,656
Speaker 3: Your game's not the same.

1889
01:20:13,776 --> 01:20:16,496
Speaker 4: So I think it's challenging because mentally you feel like

1890
01:20:16,536 --> 01:20:19,536
Speaker 4: you're still that guy, but physically you know your performance isn't.

1891
01:20:19,736 --> 01:20:19,936
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1892
01:20:19,976 --> 01:20:22,496
Speaker 2: And also Travis Kelsey, he's been a featured guy throughout

1893
01:20:22,496 --> 01:20:25,336
Speaker 2: his entire career. He's ultra competitive, even going back to

1894
01:20:25,416 --> 01:20:28,095
Speaker 2: last year. He's a featured guy. So if the minute

1895
01:20:28,096 --> 01:20:30,296
Speaker 2: you start to buy in to everybody saying, oh, well

1896
01:20:30,296 --> 01:20:32,176
Speaker 2: he's lost the step, he's not that will you lose

1897
01:20:32,176 --> 01:20:34,936
Speaker 2: your superpower because that confidence is why he is who

1898
01:20:34,976 --> 01:20:37,135
Speaker 2: he is. And while he might have lost a step,

1899
01:20:37,256 --> 01:20:39,656
Speaker 2: he's still better than ninety five percent of the guys

1900
01:20:39,656 --> 01:20:41,656
Speaker 2: out there, and when they get when he gets taken

1901
01:20:41,656 --> 01:20:44,135
Speaker 2: out of the game, that's just his personality. That's what's

1902
01:20:44,136 --> 01:20:47,016
Speaker 2: made him so good is because of that drive, because

1903
01:20:47,056 --> 01:20:49,736
Speaker 2: that's tenacious attitude that he's like, dude, I can still

1904
01:20:49,736 --> 01:20:51,416
Speaker 2: get this done. I'll beat this guy all day long.

1905
01:20:51,696 --> 01:20:53,856
Speaker 2: So that's where that comes from. And I think that's

1906
01:20:53,896 --> 01:20:56,296
Speaker 2: why he's been so good and so elite for so long.

1907
01:20:56,696 --> 01:20:58,416
Speaker 1: Pick a quarterback in the league, Now you'd like to

1908
01:20:58,416 --> 01:21:04,296
Speaker 1: play with I'm not in the league anymore, cast off

1909
01:21:04,296 --> 01:21:05,256
Speaker 1: the list in case you wanted to.

1910
01:21:05,736 --> 01:21:07,856
Speaker 3: That was the lu Yeah, he's cut me off.

1911
01:21:08,016 --> 01:21:09,816
Speaker 1: Who now do you see? And you're like, man, I'd

1912
01:21:09,816 --> 01:21:11,696
Speaker 1: love to play with that guy. For whatever reason.

1913
01:21:12,896 --> 01:21:14,856
Speaker 4: I love Dart I think I love to play with Dars.

1914
01:21:14,976 --> 01:21:17,576
Speaker 4: Love that swagger. I love a quarterback of a little swager.

1915
01:21:17,576 --> 01:21:19,376
Speaker 4: He can throw it too, but he's just a he's

1916
01:21:19,376 --> 01:21:20,056
Speaker 4: a competitor.

1917
01:21:20,656 --> 01:21:22,496
Speaker 2: You want to play with a rookie quarterback right now,

1918
01:21:24,256 --> 01:21:26,456
Speaker 2: A veteran dude that's gonna like see the game a

1919
01:21:26,496 --> 01:21:27,095
Speaker 2: little different.

1920
01:21:27,216 --> 01:21:28,416
Speaker 3: He runs more than he throws.

1921
01:21:28,456 --> 01:21:31,016
Speaker 4: No, I'm just kidding, you're right, but you know what

1922
01:21:31,056 --> 01:21:33,456
Speaker 4: I'm looking at from just like, who's gonna give me

1923
01:21:33,456 --> 01:21:36,416
Speaker 4: that energy? Like watch like I got excited to wash him.

1924
01:21:36,416 --> 01:21:38,696
Speaker 4: For forever reason, I don't turn on the Kansas City

1925
01:21:38,696 --> 01:21:41,696
Speaker 4: games like I used to, Like I'm excited to see

1926
01:21:41,936 --> 01:21:44,536
Speaker 4: the Giants play, but I think it's because he's polarizing.

1927
01:21:44,576 --> 01:21:47,696
Speaker 4: I mean, he's got this this energy, this this aura

1928
01:21:47,736 --> 01:21:51,336
Speaker 4: about him that like the dude's gonna put his body

1929
01:21:51,376 --> 01:21:53,616
Speaker 4: out there, but he's gonna compete, And like that's all

1930
01:21:53,656 --> 01:21:56,416
Speaker 4: you want as a as a as a you know,

1931
01:21:56,616 --> 01:21:58,416
Speaker 4: locker room buddy, as someone that's gonna compete.

1932
01:21:58,736 --> 01:22:00,296
Speaker 1: Take a wide receiver you'd like to play with now

1933
01:22:00,296 --> 01:22:03,656
Speaker 1: that you watch wide receiver, I mean Justin Jefferson's pretty good.

1934
01:22:03,696 --> 01:22:07,936
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase is pretty good. Uh, Seattle Seahawks last night?

1935
01:22:08,016 --> 01:22:09,896
Speaker 1: What's his name? Jack and Smith and jigbaby.

1936
01:22:10,696 --> 01:22:13,176
Speaker 2: He might be emerging as one of the top, if

1937
01:22:13,216 --> 01:22:15,896
Speaker 2: not the top wide receiver. Now I just name got

1938
01:22:15,896 --> 01:22:18,496
Speaker 2: a quarterback to the ball. But how good is that guy?

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Speaker 2: I mean the separation that he creates, the different types

1940
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Speaker 2: of route running, and his hands are automatic. I think

1941
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Speaker 2: this kid is special. So watch it in from a

1942
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Speaker 2: youth standpoint. I watched him last night and I'm going, man,

1943
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Speaker 2: he just keeps getting better and better. I think it's

1944
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Speaker 2: three straight games with over one hundred yards or one

1945
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen yards. He's been incredible. So those are

1946
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Speaker 2: kids like that. I are in young guys like that

1947
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Speaker 2: who continue to get better. That's exciting.

1948
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Speaker 1: What sucks? And listen so everybody knows. I'm look at

1949
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Speaker 1: the camera on this. We are the NFL is our boss.

1950
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Speaker 1: We work for the NFL. I'm gonna say this. We

1951
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Speaker 1: are literally paid by the NFL. You gotta stop at

1952
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Speaker 1: nine o'clock Central games. I get it more football all

1953
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Speaker 1: the time. I'm even okay with like the European games.

1954
01:23:00,736 --> 01:23:02,496
Speaker 1: You wake up, You're like, oh, I forgot there's a game.

1955
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Speaker 1: I couldn't watch any of it, so I'm looking at NFL.

1956
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Speaker 3: He says, that was all due respectful.

1957
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the most respectful way possible.

1958
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Speaker 3: What all the ratings though, what all the ratings can fantastic?

1959
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Speaker 1: Probably have no idea. I can't imagine the imagine East Coast.

1960
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Speaker 1: It starts at ten. Yeah, on a school night, crazy

1961
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Speaker 1: on a school night. Okay, final question, and you don't

1962
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Speaker 1: have to answer it. You can play the fifth of

1963
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Speaker 1: your cast. Who is the most annoying?

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is such a good question, just because personalities

1965
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Speaker 3: are different.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, you know what, like, I'm not trying

1967
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Speaker 4: to just play this guy, but I'm a pretty patient

1968
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Speaker 4: patient man. I didn't have anyone that bothered me annoyed me.

1969
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Speaker 4: I think it was a really good cast. As you

1970
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Speaker 4: can see the way they paint some people like Cody

1971
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Speaker 4: Brown or Jesse.

1972
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Speaker 3: He's gone now how they painted them.

1973
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Speaker 4: You know, they are polarizing in their own right for

1974
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Speaker 4: what they've kind of been through I guess or who

1975
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Speaker 4: they are. But we all built individual less ships within

1976
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Speaker 4: you know, that experience. And we had our comedians, you know,

1977
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Speaker 4: Revy and Nick were hilarious. We had like our athletes

1978
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Speaker 4: that were quiet just like I'm gonna do everything, like

1979
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Speaker 4: Randall and Sean, and then you had you know, some

1980
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Speaker 4: pop culture people that were just kind of a good

1981
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Speaker 4: mix as well. So I truthfully don't have anyone that

1982
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Speaker 4: was annoyed by There were obviously people that had conflict.

1983
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Speaker 3: I did not have that. Who would you not invite

1984
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Speaker 3: to your house for dinner?

1985
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Speaker 1: Good one? Who would I not invite? You're so right

1986
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Speaker 1: down the middle. Well, he is a nice guy all

1987
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Speaker 1: the time, which sucks because I sit in front of them.

1988
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't believe him except I've seen him be nice

1989
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Speaker 1: away from a microphone. I know, yeah, I know it sucks.

1990
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Speaker 3: Would not invite a man? Don't say me because I

1991
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Speaker 3: wasn't on the show. You should do the show. Can

1992
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Speaker 3: we get Matt cast signed up Fox? Let's go. Honestly,

1993
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Speaker 3: I would invite everyone, all.

1994
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Speaker 1: Right, he you guys are good. People need more.

1995
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Speaker 3: Love this world, damn it and more love.

1996
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Speaker 1: Thank you guys, Matt Castle, Eric, thanks coming by man.

1997
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Speaker 1: It's been awesome. Yeah yeah, kick off, Kevin Brandon Ray

1998
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Speaker 1: and Bobby Bones. We've had lots to say, Well see

1999
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Speaker 1: you guys. Next to the last time I've invited over,

2000
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Speaker 1: this is the last time he's invited over Tomorrow morning.

2001
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Speaker 1: Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

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Speaker 1: a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts. For more

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