WEBVTT - Ep. 251: Buckman Juice on the Back 40 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.279 All right, everybody right up top here before anything happens. 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:09.200 I owe everyone listening a huge thank you. A couple 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:12.559 episodes ago, we released an episode called Begging and Pleading 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:17.040 re Ducts. In that episode announced the release of our 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.320 latest book title, The Meat Eater Guide to Wilderness Skills 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.640 and Survival, in which I had gone on the pot, 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:28.720 in which the podcast episode that is, I had implored 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.000 you to make the purchase not only for your own benefit, 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.680 but because I have a lifelong dream of having one 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.560 of my titles hit the New York Times bestseller list, 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.120 and you guys knocked it out of the park. 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All right, we're joined. 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:35.760 I hate to say this, people, I hate to say it, 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:43.080 but we're joined remotely. It's like the COVID deah COVID. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:51.800 We're joined remotely by Clay Newcomb Newcombe h and Mark 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:57.880 back Forty, Kenyon Houdy Clay. How you doing, man, I'm 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.760 doing good, doing very good. Mark? Are you well? Arrested 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.240 right now? Finally, for the first time about a month, 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.919 I do feel arrested. It's been a been a busy 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.640 spell here. So the last two days I got to 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:19.240 sleep in and that like, uh, you being like, um, 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.000 you know, kind of a like a white tailed rut 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:28.760 fanatical kind of guy. Um, there's there's still raging around though, 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.440 So why are you resting now? Yeah, So it's kind 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:37.400 of just I'm not completely resting. I'm gonna start hunting 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:39.880 again tomorrow. But I needed to take a couple of 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.680 days because the last thirty I've hunted of the last 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.760 thirty days, so starting October that was when it all 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.519 got crazy. So I got to see my wife and 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.960 kids a little bit, get a little sleep, and then uh, 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:55.880 and then yeah, I'll get back after it. I need 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.200 a good job like a job like you got, Mark, 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.680 I'm work. I'm still getting the regular working too. Don't worry, 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:06.880 it's just after dark. It's amazing what one day of 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:10.400 sleeping in will do for you after you've been pounding 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:15.200 the daylight hunting. I've got an equation. I think one 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.239 morning of sleeping in makes up for ten days of hunting. 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.880 It's amazing what one little break can do. Yeah, I agree, Yeah, 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.680 that's true. You come back pretty reagged and recovered pretty quick, 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:26.200 and it almost makes you think like you could build 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.680 a system out of it, and it's worth it. I have. 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.400 I used to think that I would feel really guilty 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.560 if I wasn't hunting every single possible moment I could, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.720 But I think that you get that eventual point of 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:42.080 diminishing returns where you you go ten days straight and 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.920 you've just lost focus and you've lost some edge. If 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.160 you get that one morning, it's totally worth sacrificing four 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.120 hours of hunting to get the much you know, much 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.200 more effective seven more days after that. I think, Uh. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.680 The thing that messes with me about it is all there. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:07.280 There's a lot of really compelling research um that sleeping 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:16.599 is real, real good for you. And that there's possible links. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:18.839 And I usually hate when people say there's possible links 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:24.799 between you know this and that. But um, early onset 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:30.599 dimension stuff man from not sleeping enough. M hm, like 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.320 you need to do it. And I used to not 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.320 do it much, and when I did, I was mostly 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.680 kind of like sleeping, like like a lot of times 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.080 they kind of hung over and whatnot. Now I try 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:48.640 to really prioritize, uh, getting enough sleep. Do you know 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:50.760 what your magic number is? A lot of people kind 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.000 of feel like they find that sweets about how much 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:57.520 they need every night. Yeah, but I'm embarrassed to say 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:01.760 eight hours. Dude, you don't need about that eight hours. 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:06.520 Did you guys catch this news this news item ott 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.680 of Wyoming? In Wyoming, they have are you Are you 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:14.159 guys similar with the one shot the one shot Antelope Hunt? Yeah, 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.640 I know that. I'm an alumni, an alum of the 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:23.400 one shot so for eighty years in Lander, Wyoming, the 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.920 governor of So for eighty years in a row. I 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.440 think it's been like what sixteen governors or something have 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:33.560 been involved in this. Uh. They host this antelop punt 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:40.960 and you have these like it's very uh. In describing it. 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.479 It can sound a little compromised, but it's like this. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:49.200 You have these teams, right, and the governor hosts it. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:53.359 It raises money for some habitat improvement work. UM. The 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.720 governor hostet and all these groups come out and you 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.240 make these little teams, and the teams go out to 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:03.520 hunt antelope and even get special game commission analope tags. Right, 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:11.080 the teams come out to hunt antelope and uh, you 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.719 gotta you can only shoot once. Okay, if you shoot 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:18.880 more than once, you can't, You're you're disqualified. So everybody 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.919 has to shoot one time and get an antelope. And 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.440 so if you're group of three people can go out 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:30.600 and fire three shots one eat, one shot for each 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.640 of you and get an antelope any basically throughout the 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.599 whole day. There's like a timing element to it. But 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:39.160 basically if you can accomplish that and all three people 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:40.680 get one with one shot, you have a very good 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.720 chance of of winning. And they do it in conjunction 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:49.359 with UM a local tribe, and there's all these like 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.240 banquets and everything. I did this a couple of years 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.800 ago where I was invited by UH so, I was 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:01.120 invited by Colorado's governor, and I went with a former 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.919 Special Forces soldier who's on our team. He said he 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:08.440 likes to get ringers. M So it's me a Special 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:13.560 Forces guy and him and we went out and did 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.080 this thing. Now, at that time, there was starting to 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.239 be a lot of like heat, a lot of heat 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.960 on the one shot Annelope Hunt Club because it was 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:30.480 dudes only, bros only, and had been dudes only for 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:36.280 eighty years. And like usually I do all kinds of 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:40.000 things with just guys that just happens to be just guys, 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:46.080 but I usually would shy away from anything meant to 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.320 be just guys. Like the minute someone says it's just guys, 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.200 all of a sudden, it gives me a creepy feeling. 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:56.679 Like anything like just for men or like a men's 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:01.720 club or a men's group, I'm like, home, why you mean? 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:05.360 Like if I wanted to bring my super good buddy 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.120 who's a woman, she can't come. It's against the rule. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.600 It just strikes me as so weird, right, I'm surprised 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.280 that was still the case. Well, with a lot of 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.320 old stuff that's been going on a long time, Like 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:22.520 I honestly, honestly didn't put too much thought into it 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.280 because there's so much like culturally, there's so many old 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.360 institutions that are dudes only that it's almost like it's 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.280 not like it's stand it's beginning to stand out. But 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:34.520 for a long time it didn't like stand out because 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:39.600 my old man, uh like growing up mild man belonged 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.160 to well, he's big at he liked to go to 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.920 drink at the VFW after you ice fished, and that 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:50.160 wasn't men only, but at that time it was men only. 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.320 And then he belonged to a thing called the Wise Men, 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.360 like a philanthropic group that raised money for the y, 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:58.960 and you had to be a dude to be a 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:06.600 wise man. And then his church group was for dudes only, 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.200 like his particular group within the church was a dude 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.480 only group. Like if a woman wanted to go, they 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.120 would like not let her go. So it was very 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:21.239 it's like very to me, right or wrong, very normal, appearing, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:29.080 normal feeling to have like these gender exclusive things. I 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.720 didn't pay much attention to it, but when I went, 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:36.440 I was just the buzz. There's buzz around two issues. 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:40.480 There's buzz around that these people that participated got these 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:46.480 dedicated tags which chapped the asses of a lot of 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.840 people around town who are like, I have to draw 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.000 the permit, but like if people go to this, they 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.920 like get permits, and that that was irritating to something 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.839 And was this like a unit that was tough to 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:00.600 draw otherwise and it would have been but a good unit, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.480 a good union, and it would have been invitation only 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:07.600 sum you have to apply. But I was there like 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.559 I was invited. So the governor of Wyoming always has 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.800 a team. The governor Colorado always has a team. This 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:16.439 has always been like the thing. The new governor of 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:21.880 Colorado apparently the first guy and forever like the new 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:28.439 governor of Colorado his uh I gathered that his husband 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:38.520 is um big anti hunter. Yeah, so this dude isn't 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.920 going and he broke the whole tradition of it being 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.920 like the governor of Wyoming and the governor of Colorado 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:50.400 hunting together. I was there like like I had met 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:55.760 Wyoming's This gets a little complicated. I was at a concert. 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.319 I was at an event one time where Wyoming's governor 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.600 Matt Mead in Colorado, those governor John Hick and Looper 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.800 who are who are friendly and there on the other 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.439 sides of the political spectrum, but they're friendly in respect, 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:11.520 you know, respectful to one another. I met them both, like, 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.920 we had a cocktail one time at of an event 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:20.520 where they were being honored for their collaborative work around 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.000 sage grouse habitat Okay. So they were being honored as 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:30.400 this like Democrat and Republican who set their differences aside 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:34.080 and came together around sage grouse work and habitat work. 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.040 So I shot the ship with both of them, and 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:41.480 afterward I was invited to go down and do this deal. 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.320 So here I get one of these tags, and I 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:49.439 don't do ship to get it. I just get it, okay. 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.680 So you someone could look and say, oh, that's not fair. 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:57.920 But then the Wyoming Game Commission um they put like 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:02.240 apparently they put value on this sort of like collaborative 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:07.040 conservation thing that has been going on for eighty years 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.800 and fuels a lot of economic activity in the area 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:15.360 and brings different politicians and figures together to in this 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.720 like collaborative mood of doing habitat work. So right, like everything, 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.640 like everything, there's two sides of the story. But the 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.080 women thing was just becoming an issue, and they started 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:30.600 like somehow they got other commission tags to start, like 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:37.600 a woman's antalope hunt. So now you've created Now they 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.600 had like two of these things at this point. Now 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:42.640 this new story just came out that now for the 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:47.400 first time since nine women will be allowed to compete 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:54.280 in the twenty one lander one shot antelope hunt. So 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.839 they combined them, they didn't. I don't know if they 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.640 officially combined them or if they got competitive, you know, 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:01.760 remember like when I don't know if it's like a 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:08.559 situation where remember how the UM girl Scouts and boy 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.960 Scouts gotten a little piss and match because the boy 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.920 scouts were gonna let girls into the boy Scouts and 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.520 that piste off the girl scouts. I don't know. I 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.120 don't know enough about what went on, but a lot 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.760 of people are applauding this, even even like people who 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:27.600 are participating the Another body of mine sent this article 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.400 to me, and he had done the one shot UM 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.439 and had a good time there. He was also a governor. 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:38.880 He was like on a governor team. He had done 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:40.560 the one shot and thought that this is a step 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.280 in the right direction. So it's like a similar all 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.559 women like you can have all women beyond a team 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.000 or you can have you know, men women groups. And 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:53.839 the way this thing works is you apply. So when 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.320 I was there, like some there was like I think 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:00.839 some a group of firefighters right had applied to come 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:04.400 down and they were accepted into it. And like I said, 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:09.080 a lot of banquets and elbow robin, what's the what's 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:13.280 the prize? What do you get if you win this thing? Oh? 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:17.080 I think that the Governor's I know, between the two governors, 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.680 there's this statue, this little ship and statue of an antelope, 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:26.600 and it lives at the governor's mansion and it swaps 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.520 back and forth, and there's a lot of spirited uh, 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:37.160 there's a lot of spirited you know, rivalry around who 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:41.120 did it? So when I was on it, it went 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:47.160 to it flew home with the Colorado governor. M hm, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:53.080 so say it again, I says, Colorado is not gonna 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:57.120 have a team. Then this year I heard that the 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:01.960 governor of Colorado, hick and Looper always took a lot 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:06.000 of heat. You know, it could potentially take a lot 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.240 of heat, and took some heat. And after hick and 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:13.120 Looper had gotten involved in some things that uh, Hicky 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:18.000 Looper had gotten involved in some gun control measures that 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:23.720 were very unpopular with hunters and gun owners. And when 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.760 I was there with uh, when I was there with him, 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:32.840 that was an issue, and I thought it was um 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:38.120 bold of him to go right, but he went and 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.480 took it and tried to you know, and and like 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.240 that collaborative spirit even though people being on different sides 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:49.320 of the aisle on such an important issue. Um yeah 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:55.120 he But yeah, now apparently the Colorado's governor won't go well. 0:15:55.280 --> 0:16:01.480 And just I say that some women tend to better 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.960 long range shooters than men when it comes to like 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.440 sitting on a bench. You know, if you were to 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:11.000 like train man and a woman the same a lot 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.160 of times, that woman would be a better shot. Have 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.480 you heard that? I mean, I don't know why that 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.080 wouldn't be true, But no, I don't. I don't know that. 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:22.800 I don't know that I've heard that. You've heard that 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.080 wouldn't kind of surprise me. I've heard that from a 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.400 guy that that had a long range shooting school. He 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:39.760 told me that. Yeah, I wanna Danielle Prewitt, who man her? 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:46.040 Have you guys made Daniell's Um, have you guys made 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:52.400 Daniell's Uh, whiskey butter sauce heart recipe just looking at it. 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.520 But I haven't tried to ship man anyhow. She did 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.840 though she did the I think she did the woman's 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.720 one shot aloud. I gonna ask Danielle I should have 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.080 I'm gonna see if Danielle and Karin our producer. I 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.800 feel like they should apply and go down apply for 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:17.480 the old boys one get a little team going go 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:24.080 on down there. Yeah, she'd place up. Can you are 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.399 you allowed to ever go back against Eve or is 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:31.040 it a once in a lifetime opportunity? No? I was allowed. Weirdly, 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.080 yeah you are, and there's all these stipulations to it, 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:39.439 but you are. Um, and it's it works in various ways. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.119 But just for scheduling and other reasons, I was not 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:47.880 able to go um. Someone tried. There was a because 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:53.719 Hick and Looper, Uh, Hick and Loopers U in Colorado. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:55.439 You know, he's kind of a centrist, so he won 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.359 the he went from he turned out as a governor 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:02.000 in Colorado and just took a sentence. See he's a 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.000 centrist Democrat, right, So he gets a lot of heat 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.440 from the left and he gets a lot of heat 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:13.879 from the right. Um, someone had done. Uh. There was 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.800 a little bit of a hit piece out on Hick 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:23.040 and Looper for have for um, a hit piece out 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:28.359 on him for having participated in the one shot. Well 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.240 did he do you know if he killed Nlop with 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.840 one shot? I mean that's the main thing I think. Well, 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:37.320 here's the thing. No, he did not. He did not. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:43.120 And I heard that back the other direction, if you Yeah, 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.560 I had heard people say there was like grumblings, Um, 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:51.800 I should ask him about this. There was grumblings some 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.000 people either like I don't the guy doesn't do it, 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:55.760 Like I don't. Think it's like an avid hunter. There's 0:18:55.800 --> 0:19:00.200 grumblings that he throws his shots. Yeah, yeah, that's I 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:05.320 was going. It's like I went. But so the reason 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.480 but the reason he got to return with the statue, 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.359 with the to bring it back to his I think 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:14.879 he had had the thing in the first place. It 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.720 was like he has it in his office quite a lot, 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.080 or had it in his office quite a lot. I 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.080 think the reason he got to do it is because, 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:24.920 like I said, he brought in some ringers, you know, 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:31.399 And um, so I did. I got mine very I 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:37.080 got one early in the morning and this former Green beret. 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:41.880 He got one early in the morning. UM. And then 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:47.480 Hick and Looper did not get one. UM. But then 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:54.920 Governor mead the way it worked was like he can't 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.520 fill he can't get all ringers. Like he gets a 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.679 signed there's some weird tradition where he could to sign 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:06.240 someone like and like like some person who's been involved 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.920 for a long time gets as signed to him. And 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:13.879 I think he can only get one ringer. You're tracking me. 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:22.200 It's a strange institution. Oh, listen, listen, you don't. Yes, 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.840 I had quite a good time. I had quite a 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:31.080 good time. But yeah, and they you know, they're evolving 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:33.879 with the times. Do you think is that is? This 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.919 is this thing pretty well received by the people in Colorado? 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.960 And I mean because it kind of it does kind 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.920 of make people uncomfortable sometimes these even the governor tags 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:50.120 and and I understand, Yeah, it's controversial. It's controversial for sure. 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:54.040 I didn't like. I didn't. I'm guilty of having not 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:59.240 known what it was until I was until I was invited, 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:02.320 and I didn't give it. I didn't spend too much 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:07.280 time on it. Um. When I got invited, I called 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:11.000 Rourke Denver because Rurk Denver had who's a former Seal 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:16.080 Rourke Denver had been brought down there by Governor Mead 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:20.879 as as a ringer on that side, and he got you. 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:26.480 You were recruited as a ringer though, Is that true? Well? 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:28.600 Are you are you questioning the lot that? Are you 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.159 saying that that wasn't Are you Are you trying to 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:35.040 consulting to me? No? No, no, no no no. I 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:38.480 just I mean, you know, you're like making a little 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.760 dig I mean, I guess I'm just kind of like, 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.000 you know, like an NBA draft. You know, it's like 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.480 first round draft picks like that, dude's a ringer. You 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.800 get into the second round and it's like, you know, 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:54.119 he's good enough to play an NBA, but he's not. 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:58.840 These references, these NBA references are gonna fall flat on Steve. 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:00.960 He's not following you. I know, I know, I know 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:05.320 that's not true because I just watched um the last 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:12.200 dance M fascinating, dude. I now know everything about basketball. 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:19.280 I know all about the field they play onsten that 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:22.720 was a little dig clay and all I can say. 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:24.520 All I can say is, let's just take a look 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:31.960 at the facts. At daybreak at daybreak, I got a buck. Yeah, 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:38.000 can I argue with that? The cold gray lighted on? Yeah, 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.239 I'm with you. How far was the shot? How far 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:49.239 was the shot? Too? Okay, one seventy six? Maybe if 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.280 I remember digging back in the old memory bank. Mm 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:59.080 hmm what like what dude, Phil, can you cut him off? Yeah? 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:07.200 Clay is getting little old. It's like wow, man, for 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.040 he like half quarantined. And then I gotta have like, 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:16.000 all right, so that's a great that's a great shot. Man. 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:25.080 Too late, buddy, too late? Uh? Yeah, this is this 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.320 is this is coming from a guy who lives in 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.879 a state you can't see more than fifty yards in 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:33.879 any direction. Yeah, like a long shot for me is 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:37.840 like a you know, twenty two yard traditional archery shot. 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:42.080 So I uh, I for the first time in quite 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:47.879 a while missed a big game animal with a rifle 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:51.680 this year. And now I'm not saying that all my 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:55.320 hits are great hits, because that's definitely not true. But 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:59.240 just to like flat out um to flat out miss 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:04.000 really shook me up. Man. You know, I thought you 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:08.440 guys did. Uh. Your description of all the factors that 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:11.879 went into that miss was pretty compelling, though, I mean, 0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:16.040 you know, the the length of the hair, you know, 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:18.440 the you know, there were a couple there were two 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:21.080 factors I think that were causing you to maybe shoot 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:22.680 a little bit high. That had to do with the 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:27.440 with the gun itself. And so anyway, I appreciated the 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:30.480 in depth look into the miss and I didn't want to. 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:32.879 I didn't really want to bring that up. But you know, 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:36.360 you're Clay's referring to a previous episode called the Miss 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:42.159 and the Return. Um, Clay, what is the name of 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:47.520 the now like super famous bear that that that has 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:53.320 roamed into your home state there? Yeah, Bruno. It's a 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:57.160 bear named Bruno. You're familiar with the legacy of Pedals 0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:02.600 the bear, right, yes, Yeah, in New Jersey was missing 0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:06.280 the front leg, would walk on two legs all over 0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:09.320 all over the place. Yeah, he had a real penchant 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:12.879 free and bird seed. I'm talking about pedals. Clay is 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.920 going to tell us the saga of Bruno the Bear 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:17.800 in a minute. Here. It was like now and then 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:23.040 a bear really makes the news, and right now Bruno 0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:26.320 is in the spotlight. But Pedals the bear had some 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:35.520 sort of deformity um where it would walk around a 0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:40.680 fair bit on its behind legs. Yeah, you know, we 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.520 had a to put a pause on pedals for a minute. 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:46.920 When we were floating a river up in Alaska this 0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:52.320 year looking for moose. We had a sow grizzly who 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:56.600 was irritated with us, stand up on her back feet 0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:03.760 and just swinging her pause wildly and agitation, but a 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:08.720 hundred yards away. Have you ever seen that? I never have? Yeah, 0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:13.679 like shadow boxing, like like shadow like swiping her paws, 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:18.680 like just all worked up and stood there for a 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:25.240 remarkably long time. M hmm. And then later kind of 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.639 around the next bend, kind of like half charged of raft, 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.560 all worked up so pebbles and petals would get around 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:34.840 on his back feet and he got real famous around 0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:40.760 New Jersey. Um, and it was very popular with like 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:44.919 New Jersey cat ladies and whatnot. So then some dude 0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:47.800 New Jersey had a bear hunting season and some dude 0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:53.800 knowingly or unknowingly, I don't know what, shoots petals and 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:57.960 New Jersey has this kind of awful practice, had this 0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:01.240 maybe Yeah, the governor New Jersey, if you if you 0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:03.920 live there, like, don't vote for that dude ever. Again. 0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:07.080 The Governor New Jersey sort of ran on an anti 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:11.520 bear hunting platform, like a plank in his platform was 0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:16.720 to be anti bear hunting. Yeah, just a joke of 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:21.560 a position, and you know, contradicting his own state phishing 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:28.720 game agency. So he Uh, they had this unsavory practice 0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:30.920 which is like where you had to go to these 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.240 check stations when you're bear hunting, and they would allow 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.520